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James Wilson – United’s striking hope for the future

Although Manchester United have, by far, the best record for playing home grown talent since the last World War, the 2 positions we have struggled to make a breakthrough in the last 25 years has been Goalkeeper and a Striker. Why that is I really cannot figure out as we have done really well in every other position on the pitch. It could be argued that Welbeck will one day turn into a prolific striker but at the moment that isn’t the case

Hopefully that barren run for a home produced striker will soon come to an end in the shape of current U-18 player James Wilson.

We have had several very good young goalscorers at the club over the last decade, players like Rossi. Ebanks-Blake, Campbell and so on but I never felt any of those would make a long term career at United, with Wilson, I have genuine high hopes that he will eventually make the grade.

I’m not one for getting too worked up about long term prospects for good young players as the step up is huge and its getting harder to fit youngsters into a team, although as we have seen with Januzaj, if you’re good enough then a good manager will find a spot for them.

Wilson hails from Biddulph and was born in December ’95 (wow, that makes me feel ancient), and has been connected to United from the age of 7!

He made his United U-18 debut at the tender age of 15, and scored, against Everton in the 2011-2012 season and has been finding the net ever since. Later that same season he hit the headlines by scoring the winning goal, 7 minutes into injury time, in an FA Youth Cup game v Charlton Athletic at Old Trafford, whilst still only 16, surely the dream of every schoolboy playing in that competition.

A broken ankle kept him out of the game for a considerable period but once he had regained full fitness he has gone from strength to strength

Last season, despite his long term injury, he still managed 14 goals at U-18 level, including a 5 goal haul away at Newcastle United in a 7-1 win. He was in devastating form that day, scoring 4 in the first half and 3 in a 4 minute spell!

What really stood out for me that day was his coolness when under pressure, When players are one on one with a keeper to beat, some players seem to have too long to think about what to do and end up panicking, not this lad. More often that not, he simply rounds the keeper like they are not there to score. In over 40 years watching United, I have never seen a player of any age round a keeper as often as this kid does, what makes it even better is he often does it at blistering pace. When he has the ball at his feet and sets off on a run, he is simply unstoppable and its a true joy to watch a boy with so much skill and confidence.

For an example of the power, pace and ice in his veins take the goal he scored in the recent FA Youth Cup game away at Burnley. Wilson had been a constant threat to the Burnley back line all night with his runs and his ability to hold the ball up and bring others into play. In the second half, he received the ball with his back to goal a few yards inside his own half. He had 2 defenders directly on him and a further 2 players covering those defenders. He took the ball, turned in an instant and he was off, with all 4 defenders in his wake and he raced towards the Burnley area. He took the ball up to the Burnley keeper, went round with embarrassing ease and tucked the ball away with his preferred left foot. Anyone who saw the goal must have marvelled at the ease at which he executed it all and the pure mastery of his profession.

As I say, he is left footed but he scores just as many goals with his right foot and his fair share with his head. Although I have mentioned his power when on the ball, he is a very slight lad right now but will no doubt get some muscle on his bones as he gets older and hopefully that extra bit of bulk wont affect his speed nor excellent balance.

Of course it is very early days for the boy and he is yet to claim a regular U-21 spot, never mind making the ultimate step up. Currently, he is still mainly with the U-18s but has played a few Reserve games and has scored a couple of goals at that level this season. With Will Keane and Nick Powell out on loan, I’m hoping he will get more Reserve games under his belt for the second half of this season and cement a spot there next season.

Like all young players, he has it all to do to shift one of the established squad players out of his way but I firmly believe that Wilson will one day be leading the line, and scoring goals, at Manchester United.

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48 Comments

  1. John says:

    Its great to have home-grown talents getting into first team DESERVINGLY!! The KEY WORD is DESERVINGLY!

    However, more pressing issue here is below:

    [off-topic]

    The one thing I would like to say “STOP IT AND COME UP WITH SUPPORTING REASONS INSTEAD OF VOMITING VILE HERE” to people who accuse True Reds here by calling glory hunters/trolls/plastics and so on (tbh these are Low Life People!) just because those innocent and honest and selfless posters are thinking about the long term future of Manchester United FC and are NOT interested on love affair with David moyes like some low life people here…

    Thing is even if we had Roberto Martinez doing like in Everton and us in 5th position right now ALL of us would have compromised few barren years because the vision is visible, the philosophy is progressive and appearance in media is optimistic of Roberto..Its not that fans are impatience just because for trophies…ITS JUST THAT SOME FANS ARE WORRIED WHETHER OUR CLUB IS ON WRONG HANDS NOW!! THEY ARE THINKGING ABOUT LONG TERM FUTURE OF MUFC AND WORRIED!! NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!

    David Moyes may prove us wrong because Fergi is still in and around the club and its ok, I am going to eat my words as it will be good for United!
    However, will Felliani prove us wrong as a central midfielder because Paul Scholes is still in and around the club?????????????????????????
    SELF-SAME CASE WITH MOYES AS A MANAGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. sl8r7 says:

    What a shame that 1st comment went off on a tangent to rant aimlessly. It’s great to have people keeping an eye on our younger generation and even better that we have so much talent. The number of players throughout the leagues who started at utd is astounding and shows the level that our youth teams is at. Hopefully Wilson can make it and hopefully by then he’ll be joining the likes of Powell and the keane’s

  3. sir matt martin says:

    ROM, I look forward to the day you share an article with us on what Man U’s vision for the future might be. I do hope that the Glazers set their standards as high as most major clubs out there that does not settle for just the league but a team that can achieve a treble at a minimum. I read far too many stories where we just focussing on the EPL, and even for that we are weak and limp and lucky to take the Carling Cup based on this season coaching personel and players. I don’t think my standards are too high as we are not a bottom 10 side or even mid table. I wud even go to suggest that the Board can give up some of their salary if need be to pay for a squad and world class coach that can make us be competitive enough outside of the EPL. To start our coach has no experience in winning any trophy, including the minor one and therefore in my opinion does not and never will deserve to be in the 1st team. And just for the record, Man U will win games which will not change my stance on the fact that Moyes does not deserve this role. We need an experienced and successful coach to achieve Man U’s future vision, unless that vision is to stay in the top 10 for the next 6 yrs……but I will wait for your article on the inside scoop to make me realise that we are actually building a team that can stand on the same stage as the likes of Bayern and Barca to name a few. All the best to you and family for 2014, let’s hope we can turn things around for a club that deserves better than what the world is seeing now!

  4. sir matt martin says:

    @John
    Nice words mate, they dont ever learn. all they knw how to do is start an E-war with fellow posters.. if they are realy united supporters then they shud be worried about united in the future.

  5. TopRed123 says:

    John says:
    “Thing is even if we had Roberto Martinez doing like in Everton and us in 5th position right now ALL of us would have compromised few barren years because the vision is visible, the philosophy is progressive…”

    100% This. There’s NO clear vision right now. Trophies aren’t the most important thing right now, but there’s nothing about how we play that makes me exited about United under Moyes. And to not finish top 4 would be a fucking debacle and certainly worthy of the sack. This isn’t Everton anymore.

  6. United says:

    @John

    Spot-on mate! me took looks like giving up this Davey boring moyes. Sorry, Sir Fergu, please go to france with Cathy if u retired for her!

  7. Jacques Muller says:

    Darren Gibson in 30 mil pound bumper move to Old Trafford. Moyes knows what he wants and gets it. The furure sure does look bright

  8. Tommy says:

    James Wilson I would be shocked if he didnrt make it to the first team, in fact I think he could be knocking on the first team door as early as next season and I rarely go overboard on a young player,

    The trolls are out in force blaming everyone but the players on the pitch, If your loooking to blame anyone blame the players whose attitudes been nothing short of disgraceful this season!

    “With Will Keane and Nick Powell out on loan” Will Keanes back at United, think hes picked up an injury it will be interesting whether Wigan take him back 2nd half of season!

  9. dazbomber says:

    This lad is the real deal, speed strength and an eye for goal. He is not just fast he is rapid

  10. iamMatty says:

    People in the know, warned us in pre-season about moyes’ prehistoric methods and general lack of knowledge on modern techniques and methods. They said we may suffer with many muscle related injuries like everton had done for the past 8 or so years under him, while some of our generally deluded rose-tinted fans called them ABU’s and haters. . .well they have been vindicated.
    So not only does moyes’ suck at tactics, but he’s mostly for ruining the season for most of our first team regulars? Ferk!!.
    http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/01/04/not-good-enough-moyes-sacrificing-rooney-says-long-term-critic/

  11. Tommy says:

    @Matty

    Take everything that man says with a pinch of salt, hes had it in for English football for years, trying to make a name for himself

  12. iamMatty says:

    @tommy
    The trolls are out in force blaming everyone but the
    players on the pitch, If your loooking to blame
    anyone blame the players whose attitudes been
    nothing short of disgraceful this season!

    So we have a team full of champions, top goalscorers with a proven winning mentality AND a coach who for the past 8years has always aimed to keep his teams 5-7 in the league. . .combining to have a club who’d been champions just months earlier to 6-7 in the league and you lay blames at the proven winners instead of the 5-7 aiming/level manager???
    YOU SIR ARE THE ULTIMATE TROLL!!!!
    So you saying the players are not putting in effort? Einstein do you then explain to me how they always end up injured?
    YOUR LOGIC PROVES YOU SIR IS DEFINITELY TRYING TO TROLL US.

  13. iamMatty says:

    I should take it with a pinch of salt?
    Now are his predictions correct?
    Yes or no?
    Is he a geenie to know what’s happening now months earlier?
    If the man says something is wrong with english football, aint there something wrong with english football? When last did yall do well in any international tourney? When last did yall produce a top world class talent or a ballon d’or winner?
    How many good young players do you produce?

  14. sir matt martin says:

    @Tommy
    i guess that answer u callin people troll, were is ur brother that dullard Wayne bakass. aswer this question can u see a David Moyes managing a football Club like Real Madrid, Bacelona, Bayern or even City or Cheseal???

  15. United says:

    @sir matt martin n @iamMatty…..hear hear!! @Tommy…y don’t u practise some maths 2 improve ur reasoning power? U shame urself n outdo urself evrytime u type! dat dutch knws more than us fans! now shut the fuck up u big mumu, lil sissy of a man!

  16. samuel - united WE stand says:

    I rate james wilson very highly. blistering pace, guile and technique in abundance but what stands out the most as the article points out is his maturity and composure.. He seems to have an end product to his action, his finishing ability is truly outstanding. His trademark though is that barnstorming solo runs he embarks on. He bamboozles with searing pace and close control… He has huge potential in my opinion, he could break into the first team as a wide forward and then as he develops, take on a more central role. James wilson really does epitomise the direction needs to push united towards. The lad is capable technically and is very flexible in style, a more adaptable system and philosophy will get the best out of him.. It’s all well and good bringing top younger players through and there’s another having the right system to improve them.

  17. iamMatty says:

    Samuel said
    It’s all well
    and good bringing top younger players through and
    there’s another having the right system to improve
    them.

    PREACH ON!!!

  18. NairobiRed says:

    I don’t think Moyes was brought in to win things but to just keep us ticking over. Top 4, getting united out of the CL group stages,a QF here and there, that sort of thing. This was until the debt was cleared in 2017 and then he’d be backed up with serious cash to try and win things. Having $anaged to keep everton just below the top 4, he was expected to comfortably put united in top 4, I’m curious to see how his failure will be treated.

  19. Dela says:

    @NairobiRed –> Bollocks, United have the cash to buy players, we attempted to buy several players in the previous transfer window but Woodward ballsed it up. The debt isn’t stopping us from making signings.

    Moyes has the cash to buy players, but in order to get them he needs Woodward to secure them.. and for Woodword to do that the other club need to agree to it, and even at that the player needs to want to go to United too. Cesc Fabregas, for example, clearly never wants to play for United. A lot of top talent turned down even Fergie over the years, by his own admission. Ronaldo had much of his education at United but United were not in his heart… Real Madrid were. That’s the same for a lot of footballers, and if they are at the top level with a club they love or even admire.. why go to the North of England to play in the rain?

    It is what it is. Don’t give in to conspiracy theories.

  20. Tommy says:

    @Matty

    Whilst I am a club man and could not really care less about international football, I must say that in the last tournament the euros the dutch were one of the worst teams in it

  21. Dela says:

    @John… Ok let me dissect your first post…

    —————————————————-
    “The one thing I would like to say “STOP IT AND COME UP WITH SUPPORTING REASONS INSTEAD OF VOMITING VILE HERE” to people who accuse True Reds here by calling glory hunters/trolls/plastics and so on (tbh these are Low Life People!) just because those innocent and honest and selfless posters are thinking about the long term future of Manchester United FC and are NOT interested on love affair with David moyes like some low life people here…”
    —————————————————–

    First of all, if everyone behind Moyes is a low life, then there’s easily 50,000 low lives at OT every game when they sing “David Moyes’ red army” and the “wild wild wild” chant, which you’ll see will continue against Swansea.

    To describe people who automatically call for a manager’s head half a season into his career at the club as “selfless” is laughable to me. No, that’s BULLSHIT, selfless is getting behind your club even when it hurts, not throwing your toys out of your pram when you lose and STILL denying Moyes any credit when you win. You don’t know the meaning of the word selfless. You are not entitled to have everything your fucking way, United has absolutely SHOWERED you in success and at the first sight of stormy conditions you are up in arms. Just so you know.. when people say “Nobody is bigger than the club”, that also includes YOU, and every other fan… but apparently some United fans seem to think they have more authority over the club than they actually do.

    —————————————————
    “Thing is even if we had Roberto Martinez doing like in Everton and us in 5th position right now ALL of us would have compromised few barren years because the vision is visible, the philosophy is progressive and appearance in media is optimistic of Roberto.”
    —————————————————

    The Media? Really? The same media that has written United off repeatedly and targets United players like Januzaj and Young while ignoring EVERY other dive, or every instance of going down easily, or anticipating a challenge that doesn’t come and going to ground… that media???? The same media that builds up the English team before a world cup as national heroes and then drags them through the dirt when they get knocked out in the last 16? That media? Ye we REALLY need their fucking approval!

    The real test for Martinez will come when Lukaku goes back to Chelsea (whose early season form is WHY they are 5th) and they start selling his best players out from under him, just like they did to Moyes every time they were on the up.

    Don’t make me laugh saying you would “compromise a few barren years” either. It was clear to anyone who has half a fucking brain that the transition from Fergie to ANYONE was going to be painful. Fergie won 13 premier league titles in 21 years… the closest to that are Everton and Chelsea… with 3 each. He literally won 10 more than them in that period, and also saw off Liverpool every time they attempted a resurgence and did it with a number of different squads and teams and a lot of different styles of play. He managed it because he can read the game in England better than anyone. When Arsenal emerged and became dangerous and got the better of us, he changed it up and won it back. When Chelsea emerged and won back to back titles, he made changes and won it three times in a fucking row. Most managers come and go, and those who stay go through long periods without success.. like Arsene Wenger…. someone like Fergie who will only be kept off the top for a couple of seasons and then regain the title… they are literally the rarest gem in the game. There’s a reason he said “get behind our new manager”, it’s because he knew this was going to be tough, like I said, he can read the game better than anyone, he anticipated a struggle and a stuttering start under the successor.

    Be honest for a SECOND John… if you have been on ROM for more than the past few months, then recollect the reaction on here when we lost last season (or for about three seasons prior).. for example to Spurs. Absolute BILE spewed at Fergie and the players. His line-ups questioned, his substitutions questioned. Almost every game posters on here pissed and moaned, like when he played Welbeck ahead of Hernandez people here lost their SHIT and hated on Welbeck and again, spewed vile shit at Fergie for picking him, and that wasn’t the only thing. Almost every single line-up same thing. Even when we won, rarely were these persistent moaners happy.

    ——————————————————-
    “.Its not that fans are impatience just because for trophies”
    ——————————————————-

    Bolocks, if we were second or third a few points off Arsenal with a realistic shot at the title, they’d be a LOT quieter, even if we got there in the UGLIEST fashion imaginable. Plenty of times under Fergie, United were HORRENDOUS to watch, yet they pulled off 1-0 wins and picked up the points more often than not.

    ——————————————————
    “ITS JUST THAT SOME FANS ARE WORRIED WHETHER OUR CLUB IS ON WRONG HANDS NOW!! THEY ARE THINKGING ABOUT LONG TERM FUTURE OF MUFC AND WORRIED!! NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!”
    ——————————————————

    They should have been prepared to be worried the day Alex Ferguson retired regardless of WHO replaced him as manager… again… 21 years…. 13 premier league seasons. ONLY Fergie could have done that… ONLY Fergie. Therefore, as I said, you should have been worried about the club’s future without him regardless of who took over.

    And don’t forget it.. it was FERGIE who brought the success, that should be as clear as day to anyone now, it wasn’t because we’re just super-duper special and awesome, it’s because the maestro was at his station directing the orchestra!

    ——————————————————
    “David Moyes may prove us wrong because Fergi is still in and around the club and its ok, I am going to eat my words as it will be good for United!
    However, will Felliani prove us wrong as a central midfielder because Paul Scholes is still in and around the club?????????????????????????
    SELF-SAME CASE WITH MOYES AS A MANAGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
    ——————————————————

    Poor comparison, and shrouded in a shot toward Fellaini that he has done absolutely NOTHING to deserve.

    As for Moyes “proving you wrong”, that’s a very unnecessarily hostile way to approach it. Fans at OT at least are TRYING to lift the team, and the away fans are even better. They want him to succeed because that means we ALL benefit. Unfortunately, you seem to have the feeling that if we just swap him out with another manager suddenly we will be at the same level as we were… the 13 out of 21 league seasons level…. but there’s only one man who can give you that and he’s RETIRED. Before he retired, he picked David Moyes as his successor, and I understand why he did…

    Firstly its because Moyes is loyal to the club he is at. Everton repeatedly sold players out from under him after they reached a certain level. When he had difficult seasons at Everton he didn’t walk away or get angry about it, he just stuck to the job. He also displayed some VERY impressive tactical awareness with Everton in recent seasons, such as his unbelievably impressive record against Mancini’s Man City… he clearly had an inferior team yet he beat them the vast majority of the time. That’s because he knew his players, and they knew him. He built them up into a group familiar with each other and understanding of their role… then he inherited a whole new bunch of players and made it CLEAR to United fans from the start that he would be experimenting with different players that he had… he even said “it could get worse before it gets better”, he never tried to hide it.

    Now Martinez is getting praise with David Moyes’ creation.. people forget quickly that Martinez got his previous team relegated from the Premier League.

    Look, one thing we can all agree on is whatever the cause of the problems we currently have… it is most definitely David Moyes’ responsibility to fix it, but it’s kind of hard when a selection of fans seem to want you to fail so they can replace you with their personal favorite manager.. like they know better than Alex Ferguson on the matter!

  22. Fletch™ says:

    Fully agree with the article. James Wilson is a talent, getting Reserve team call ups at his age is always a very good sign, and already capped at U19 level for England.

    Ben Pearson is another, also getting recognized at U19 level for England.

    But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Just hope these lads keep their heads down and kick on. Say that about all our youngsters honestly.

    Future is bright.

    Bring on the Swans. Looking forward to a good FA Cup Run since we are doing p*ss all in the league.
    Not helping that we have 6 first team starters all crocked. Wonder if we will see some youngsters tomorrow.

    Zaha, Ekangamane, Januzaj, maybe a bit of Michael Keane in defense? Anyone?

  23. iamMatty says:

    Dela you are the epitome of delusion, martinez with moyes team? Hahahaha same team who wouldn’t show up at the home of a traditional big4 for 11 ferking years cos of moyes’ notorious negative tactics and lack of foward drive, well martinez did that in what? bloody months! bloody months mate!
    Hahaha martinez won an fa cup with a club 10times less the worth of everton, what did mr moyes win again in his long career? nothing? no? Oh that’s bad.
    Every soccer pundict admits that martinez’s everton plays like barcelona when compared to moyes’ version and you deluded moyes’ lovers keep lying through your thumbs to vindicate your clueless british mug.
    Fact
    Dela tell me moyes’ philosophy and vision, progressive tactical plan for our club and I’d get one of them rose-tinted shades you have on now.
    No wonder the english and their media have kept deluding themselves every worldcup year for the past “forever” years now. Clueless bone-headed ignoramuses who think they know everything about football just cos they were born and bred in that little island near france.

  24. John says:

    @Dela

    Good Effort MATE!! But you clearly are deluded and think moyes is greater than Manchester United!! Reading your posts, I have concluded that its not possible to take off your red tinted glasses BUT I will try!!

    It is well known the selection of David Moyes was never a merit based decision. It was a belief of Sir Alex that the way David Moyes was doing his job in Everton could be trusted for the continuity at Manchester United. However, Tony Polis too did a job in Stoke to keep it in Primere league till he was replaced. They may be different but it is obviously comparative. I think both of you agree that the decision was largely biased because obviously Fergie thought it was essential to leave a marker by appointing someone British who may come good if given time and support. They both were great friends, both from Scotland and the apetite for hard work and desire to succeed was similar though completely different level. Furthermore, Fergi definetly believed Moyes would be under his supervision and progress gradually. I am not deluded to disagree with these facts like you both are acting as if David Moyes is far more important than Manchester United Football club itself. It is a shame really!

    Truth is, Sir Alex was a great motivator and far more visionary than moyes can ever be. He was very, very clever person as well. He always surrounded himself with great coaches and never was too dogmatic when he has to adapt with evolution of football except the humbling he got from Barcelona twice. He was bit dogmatic as well but I will say ego is a weakness of any human being in position of power. And that got better of him when he selected David Moyes.

    I think a winner like Sir Alex with motivation skill as his key trait and stability to support it and the adaptation skill with changing times is great trait. He is Undoubtedly one of the greatest managers of all time.

    What he had left for Manchester United FC was perfect set up for STEP UP, NOT ONLY CONTINUITY. This is the reason why we disagree primarily. Continuity of Sir Alex is simply impossible because you are asking for different person to adapt to become like Sir Alex which is deluded idea. Its like asking the first son of King who was great to become like him and continue his legacy. Sir Alex himself have said CONTINUITY is all expected from David Moyes. Mates, let me tell you both if it was that easy and possible than monarchy would have existed in lot many countries of this world not just a showpiece in England and few other countries in sort of ceremonial role. I think @Dela deflected well my comparison of Felliani and Paul Scholes as if I was trying to compare both regarding qualities as cm. Sorry mate, it was situational comparison and I am sure you are not deluded to think otherwise judging by your posts.

    No one is expecting a new manager to come in after Sir Alex and continue to win trophies straight away. However, Sir Alex himself said CONTINUITY was key reason behind Moyes appointment as he had left group of great mix of players both experienced and young with winning mentality and club provided 30 millions to moyes. He had whole pre-season to assess the players and make additions he sees fit and he did and who he bought? Felliani! Which position he said he was bought? Holding Central Midfielder! Remember this was a player who played half a decade under him in Everton and he knew his qualities. Please explain me what that tells about David Moyes??

    @Dela, no one is expecting team to blossom straight away however it has been whole preseason and 20 fucking games and the consistency has been INCONSISTENCY. This is a manager who is managing at Premiere league for 11 fucking years. This is a manager who won nothing and his playing style in Everton is known to all. It was all about hard work and motivation never was tactically astute. I agree he has done well in CL and CoC but testing time lies ahead. He never won away from home against top clubs of England and that has continued..How you explain the only victory against Arsenal? He is basically continuing what he did in Everton and we are where Everton used to be 7th at this stage.

    Re Roberto Martinez.. Yeah, Wigan got relegated under him but he also won FA cup defeating club like Manchester City. Also, you have to remember even Jurgen Klopp got his team relegated but the same guy took Dortmund to CL final, defeating Real Madrid. The difference here is of Vision, you cannot bet against Wigan coming back from Championship again had Roberto Martinez was still incharge. These guys think long term and have a definite vision, philosophy and playing style which they believe so much that they will be proven winner on long duration inspite of short term temporary defeats. @DELA and @20LEgend…please explain me why Everton CHOSE to appoint Roberto Martinez for STEP UP from David Moyes even though he had just relegated a team?..Everton chairman isn’t a fool, is he? The same guy who took 27.5 millions from us for Felliani against the cunny bastard Woodward. Even Dave Whelan thought Martinez was destined for United because he saw the behind the scenes job he was doing for Wigan. Roberto Martinez arrival in Everton from relegated Wigan was a huge step up and can be compared to David Moyes arrival from Everton to Manchester United.. However, you know the differences on playing style, don’t you??..He also proved/proving like Landrup and Klopp that shortage of transfer budget cannot be the reason for the way a team performs interms of style..this allows them lot more flexibility in transfer market with the amount they have because they look for quality they see fit in their style rather than namesake and quantity..the loan deals Martinez did was ASTUTE and please don’t shame yourselves by taking away the credit for his shrewdness in transfer market to proclaiming as if he was lucky…On the Other hand, reverse is the case re Felliani deal of Moyes and that tells a lot about manager!

    You know, the thing is there is nothing wrong in doubting whether we are on wrong hands with moyes as a manager…You just have to look at Arsene Wenger and Kronke in Arsenal that sometimes top 4 is all that matters to a team and atleast quarter final progress in CL…But is that acceptable to Manchester United fans? the answer is NO…and I don’t think we can even get the satisfaction like attractive football like Arsenal under Wenger under moyes EVER!!

    The reason of disappointment here is, we had good blend of players, well established coaching staff and we were few cm short from continuing the STEP UP from where sir alex left over..can you tell me when Pep Guardiola retires after about 15 years, he won’t surpass Sir Alex’s trophy haul??
    The great thing about Sir Alex was not only longetivity but he DESERVED to get it! It wasn’t for namesake!! However, Moyes is bit of clueless to be honest imo..he thought with more budget he is all set for united and what has turned out so far is he isn’t worth it…He has just basically continued the way of EVERTON at Manchester United..Whats the difference between Everton in past seasons and United so far?? That speaks volume in itself…

    Also, he may be given time which is a BIG DOUBT if we miss Top 4 this season..keep your faith and big talks as true red all you like but you cannot write off a sack if we miss top 4 this season!!..And, that tells you that this appointment is similar to Arsene Wenger case under Kroenke till the Stadium money was sorted..Ours is Debt!! But it is for fucking Glazers, whats for Manchester United fans??..And, there is no guarantee even if we will make top 4 this season. City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are most likely to end up in top 4 places this season!!

    Let me tell you both as much as impatience is not good for club however, to get deluded and tell we are on safe hands when every facts and reality tells otherwise is far more dangerous to MUFC..Every time you guys end up with, SIR ALEX DECISION! When infact Sir ALex was himself thumped by Barcelona in such a manner that a new playing style was needed in our club but he never tried to address CM issue with venegance as it was clearly needed..that tells you about his stubborn nature which is responsible for his BIGGEST mistake in appointing moyes..being a chairman of LMA, he thought British Manager needs a chance and he got it wrong as proven so far.

    Do you guys think that clearing the players and letting David Moyes bring his own will make us competitive like we used to??..If anyone thinks so than he/she is deluded to the point of craziness because it will be suicidal for Manchester United in the sense that when the manager has already made the bunch of winners look like average players, trained players in such a way that injuries are non-story, bought players like Felliani, and hasn’t won against top sides bar Arsenal…so to trust this manager for long-term is like Arsenal scenario of last decade bar attractive football..and top 4 is maximum you can expect from David moyes!

    All in all, there is nothing wrong in accepting mistake and allow him to find his job he was worth actually if he misses top 4 in coming summer or atleast until next summer…but it will be a huge mistake to let this guy overhaul our squad because its like Everton in RED in making with only difference may be top 4 and few domestic cups sometimes and thats also maximum we can hope for..

    Don’t tell me, Martinez, Guardiola, Landrup, Klopp, even Mourinho couldn’t have done better job than Moyes when all of them were not absolutely getable back when Moyes was appointed and won’t be in future..the question is, WHY SETTLE FOR LESS WHEN OUR CLUB DESERVES MORE AND IT IS ALL POSSIBLE?…

    It won’t be liked here much, I know, but I will go as far as to suggest that,, since transfer budget is no pull as claimed by moyes himself, sir alex and woodward time and again,, NOT ONLY Pep Guardiola is capable of CONTINUITY but actually he is FAR BETTER tactician and would have done STEP UP instead of CONTINUITY than SIR ALEX HIMSELF!!!!!Come at me now, all you like, but this is something I honestly believe and I am sure I am not alone on this!!

    Mourinho too have WON trophies…just imagine Moyes in charge of present Chelsea side and imagine the conequences..Now @Dela will come up with WE ARE NOT CHELSEA overreaction but of course we are not..but there are group of players and there is a manager as well..forget the clubs and swap the manager, you can see the DIFFERENCE if you are not deluded with red tinted glasses you clearly wear and think its a crime to take it off sometimes even when you have to!! Go outside of UK and see the worth of clubs like Bayern Munich, Barcelona and compare with Manchester United…Those clubs are also have unique set up like ours in their way..BUT change of managers won’t affect much and they DONOT allow manager the POWER to act like they are bigger than the club..if the manager isn’t worth it then he goes..Its not that you will get Sir Alex anymore people! There were managers sacked even in our club after Sir Matt and before Sir Alex, WHY??

    BECAUSE they WEREN”T GOOD ENOUGH!! However, they were given time to prove they weren’t..I AGREE!! DIFFERENT TIMES!! GOOD OLD DAYS!!..Financial situation, competition and once a dip hits, it means its DIFFICULT to get back on track these days..So the decision should be made on manager history and his SO FAR situation in his new club…his playing style, vision, his transfer record, everything comes to picture!! No one is asking David Moyes to go right now..but till the summer should give us a idea on what is coming in future?? It isn’t so optimistic, is it?..If there are better choices like Klopp, Martinez, Vaan Gaal, Landrup, Solskajer and all, then there is nothing wrong in thinking a change may be good!!

    @Dela…How come media isn’t important when the same media got AVB sacked this season??..It is the link between fans and club?..would United be what it is without the projectiion from media?..The Global attraction enjoys is because of not only what club does but mainly because of it gets projected LIVE all over the world..So to blame media is just ridiculous!..Everyone knows its VITAL HOW A MANAGER HANDLES IT!!

  25. John says:

    1 also to another deluded red here namely @20LEgend who too always comes here with his red tinted glasses with David Moyes in his heart, mind and soul..Its good to support manager BUT club comes first!

  26. John says:

    typo..no pull< no obstacle

  27. John says:

    Also, there is no guarantee STABILITY breeds success..IT, of course, HELPS but it is just one of the important factors of success..

  28. John says:

    Dela says:

    @NairobiRed –> Bollocks, United have the cash to buy players, we attempted to buy several players in the previous transfer window but Woodward ballsed it up. The debt isn’t stopping us from making signings.

    Moyes has the cash to buy players, but in order to get them he needs Woodward to secure them.. and for Woodword to do that the other club need to agree to it, and even at that the player needs to want to go to United too. Cesc Fabregas, for example, clearly never wants to play for United. A lot of top talent turned down even Fergie over the years, by his own admission. Ronaldo had much of his education at United but United were not in his heart… Real Madrid were. That’s the same for a lot of footballers, and if they are at the top level with a club they love or even admire.. why go to the North of England to play in the rain?

    “It is what it is. Don’t give in to conspiracy theories.”

    Mate, you make me laugh, you really do!..How you justify the above SELF MADE THEORY of yours is true? How you knew it to claim so boldly as if you are one of the agents involved? Pull of manager is a vital factor too, isn’t it? However, I know you have no intention whatsoever to touch on it..

  29. John says:

    @Dela

    Mate, as you seem to know clearly better re transfers back in summer..Please, explain me what went wrong regarding Thiago Alcantara, Kevin Strootman and Mesut Ozil? Bearing in mind money is no object as you say!! Also, its not bad for a club to have too good players in a position to compete. So, who chose Felliani? Woodward might have mishandled the transaction but who chose Felliani?

  30. John says:

    @#Dela says:

    “Firstly its because Moyes is loyal to the club he is at. Everton repeatedly sold players out from under him after they reached a certain level. When he had difficult seasons at Everton he didn’t walk away or get angry about it, he just stuck to the job. He also displayed some VERY impressive tactical awareness with Everton in recent seasons, such as his unbelievably impressive record against Mancini’s Man City… he clearly had an inferior team yet he beat them the vast majority of the time. That’s because he knew his players, and they knew him. He built them up into a group familiar with each other and understanding of their role… then he inherited a whole new bunch of players and made it CLEAR to United fans from the start that he would be experimenting with different players that he had… he even said “it could get worse before it gets better”, he never tried to hide it.”

    Absolute bullocks!! Playing on sentiments!! I don’t want to go on a rant, however, want some curious questions answered..@Dela please try it!

    1. Why he NEVER won away from home against the so called big 4 then when his time at Everton if he was so tactically astute as you say it? Didn’t the way he knew his players and his players knew him helped him for 1DECADE for this so you just had Mancini to bring?

    2. Why we got THUMPED by city having many same players who were under Mancini? Mate, Is Pelligrini is the difference?

    3. He also bought Felliani from Standard Liege for about 15 millions while at Everton, isn’t it? So it wasn’t as if he was hampered of progress by only selling players, is it? Also, you just have to look at the way Everton Chairman stood firm re felliani and Baines!!! Can’t it be because it was approved by Moyes FIRST AND FOREMOST for sale because he wanted/had other replacements in mind but proved to be wrong anticipation of HIM?

    4. He always bottled in later stages of cup competitions and its a key difference between winner and the ones who just epitomise stability. The THUMPING given by Martinez Wigan in FA cup semi final is a prime example! So, there is no way to prove he is tactically astute? also, it is ridiculous to suggest he was experimenting with new bunch of players as if the new competitive football world allows you to take it like your honeymoon! Martinez didnot need it, Landrup didn’t need it. So why moyes?? What sort of experimentation? Whats the purpose of experimentation for WIN NEXT MATCH philosophy? even Brenden Rodgers was clear with purpose and had a plan and thus everyone stood by him…But what is David moyes vision?..To be SAF-2? You seriously believe it?

  31. John says:

    Dela says:

    “Look, one thing we can all agree on is whatever the cause of the problems we currently have… it is most definitely David Moyes’ responsibility to fix it, but it’s kind of hard when a selection of fans seem to want you to fail so they can replace you with their personal favorite manager.. like they know better than Alex Ferguson on the matter!”

    This paragraph sums of the delusion with last sentence to WRAP it up!! How many player signings fergi got wrong? Of course, everyone has personal favourite manager or the one they like most based on the style of football they love to see…Mate, here is the thing, however, How many United fans had David moyes on top 3 of their list of managers to replace Fergi given his CV and David Gill’s Statement?..Also, yes it is his responsibility to fix it but also there is no guarantee he can fix it as he hasn’t proven yet he can and the evidences so far clearly suggest it is better to fix his position. However, we have to give him benefit of doubt till this summer..If he misses top 4 then he may get the envitable sack!

  32. John says:

    @Dela says:

    “They should have been prepared to be worried the day Alex Ferguson retired regardless of WHO replaced him as manager… again… 21 years…. 13 premier league seasons. ONLY Fergie could have done that… ONLY Fergie. Therefore, as I said, you should have been worried about the club’s future without him regardless of who took over.

    And don’t forget it.. it was FERGIE who brought the success, that should be as clear as day to anyone now, it wasn’t because we’re just super-duper special and awesome, it’s because the maestro was at his station directing the orchestra! ”

    Mate, your delusion is limitless is understatement! The only question here is, Weren’t there better options available than Moyes and won’t there be in summer?..Fergie was one off so to try to bring his success and make people delude to just tolerate whatever is pointless..Fergie was one of the GREATEST alright! Everyone knows that. Its about Moyes. Fergie chose him though he wasn’t worth it fans accepted and he is STILL our manager..However, if a change becomes essential then there are many better managers out there who don’t need fergie to phone to how to speak in next press conference!

  33. John says:

    @Dela says:

    “First of all, if everyone behind Moyes is a low life, then there’s easily 50,000 low lives at OT every game when they sing “David Moyes’ red army” and the “wild wild wild” chant, which you’ll see will continue against Swansea.”

    Hahahahahahaha…Man, why do you lie??..The same fans who were dead silent when Everton fans chanted to David Moyes “YOU ARE SACKED IN THE MORNING”??. Who emptied the stadium 10 minutes early whenever we were losing because they had NO HOPE there is going to be any UNITED STYLE comeback anymore under Moyes?? The away fans are singing to some extent sometimes not that they keep singing about moyes as they are there to support the club, I agree but you cannot disagree the intensity is obviously reducingly…

    The KEY thing here that is holding United fans for booeing David moyes is Fergi request to stand by him. But he also suggested he expects continuity from moyes and moyes is proving otherwise..Now why would fans sing for moyes when he is clearly making fergi look bad infront of them? To sing for him is like to laugh on fergi’s face if we continue losing because thats not the expectation of fergi as he has already come out and said Continuity + trophy is requirement..I am sure that Nani got booed because fans could not boo Moyes because of respect towards fergi..And that was early season!!..I expect lots of boos directly towards moyes IF he misses top 4…Moyes future is on his hands!! Fans are not against him of OT BUT THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ANYSORT OF AFFECTION OR LOVE TOWARDS HIM!! That speaks volume!

  34. John says:

    @Dela says:

    “Firstly its because Moyes is loyal to the club he is at. Everton repeatedly sold players out from under him after they reached a certain level. When he had difficult seasons at Everton he didn’t walk away or get angry about it, he just stuck to the job.”

    David Moyes was NEGLECTED for even Tottenham job. No club bigger in size than Everton came for him and where can he go then??..So please don’t play this loyalty card to SING about Moyes as if he had offers from all the top clubs of the world BUT he chose to be loyal with Everton SUFFERINGS as you say….hahahaha, yes he was stuck but what can he do when no club comes for such manager who has won nothing??..He might have gone to German clubs like Schalke but thats not a step up is it?..NO BIG CLUB EVER CAME FOR DAVID MOYES, deal with it mate!!..

    If he is so loyal to the club he is at, hahaha, why did he chose to run down the contract and didn’t even think of giving some buyout money to Everton by signing a new short term contract when it was so much focussed on media from past couple of seasons itself??..Wasn’t he still at Everton??..The way he went for Everton players back in summer was prime example of hypocrite who played same trumcard to woe city re Lescott and Rodwell signings!!

    UNBELIVABLE FROM YOU @DELA…hard to believe you are so deluded!!

  35. John says:

    Luckily, Sir Alex called him at his home, he came then Sir Alex told him “David, you are the next Manchester United manager.” Tears must have rolled down from moyes eyes as happens to the guy who wins the Euro Lottery. Sir Alex didn’t even thought about asking him, whether or not he is ready?..It is because NO is unimaginable when the likes of Tony Pulis,Sam Allardyce and David Moyes are offered a job like Manchester United. That speaks volume both of neoptism and desperation simultaneously!

  36. John says:

    @Dela says:

    “Bolocks, if we were second or third a few points off Arsenal with a realistic shot at the title, they’d be a LOT quieter, even if we got there in the UGLIEST fashion imaginable. Plenty of times under Fergie, United were HORRENDOUS to watch, yet they pulled off 1-0 wins and picked up the points more often than not. ”

    No, no no…LOT quieter may be because they had to as this is his first season and inheriting a team + felliani of his choice if he manages to compete as expected ( even UGLY way) being a midtable manager than fans would have to tolerate that..BUT this doesn’t mean they wouldn’t expect good football on the pitch with days ahead!! Those are different things and is irrelevant to the way you connected it to trophies..I agree with you that, even under Fergie we DID pull off late wins (not just 1-0 sometimes) but we used to OUTSCORE opponents..Those are completely different things..

    Thing is, with Fergie trophies were guaranteed and that shuts up moaning fans who were there, a LOT of them who were unhappy the way we were neglecting cm signings even after being washed up clean from Barca..So, thats the point, disappointment was there but Fergie had that aura about him that he had EARNED the right to cover it up with trophies and who would have dared to question him.

    Now, neither we can hope for attractive playing style neither the trophies..One or the other satisfies fans and gives them hope like Arsenal..And, I am sure lot of fans are there who goes to OT or travel with teams to WATCH good football from our team not just for trophies..Trophies are ESSENTIAL no question about that for a club like Manchester United not to expect it from DEFENDING CHAMPION with 11 points would be shame really…However, with new manager at helm it could be consoled by attractive football and top 4 this season…top 4 may be possible but former is NOT..and you know @Dela how attractive attacking football is expected from manchester united manager unless you are Sir Alex to get away from few seasons as you will have earned it..

    This is the reason I talked about barren years..Roberto Martinez would have provided this and fans would have accepted few barren years under him..Now, they are just TOLERATING !!

  37. John says:

    David Moyes says re Van persie:

    “‘He played one game against Newcastle. I think if I’d brought him off, you people (the media) would be the first to say, “What are you doing? You’re 1-0 down and you’re taking off your top goalscorer”. I think that answers it.

    ‘The next game (against Shakhtar), he pulled his thigh taking a corner. I think most of the time we have looked to do things correctly.’”

    @Dela…mate, look how the media affects. Even our won manager makes decision based on potential media reaction!! lol

  38. Tommy says:

    @John

    You and Matty bringing up it rains in anchester bullshit like it dose not rain in London, infact when the really bad weathers hit, the storms and the snow in recent years it never hits Manchester like it does other parts of the country, enough of the bullshit!!

  39. Tommy says:

    @John

    More bullshit mate, the stretford end was singing right to the end in that Everton game, the match going fans are right behind the manager, always have been, only fans in the country that clap the players off after a defeat

  40. iamMatty says:

    So you saying the everton fans outsung the stretford end? Cos we sure heard only songs from them 10mins from time when we started seeing more red seats at the stretford than human faces close to the end of that match.
    Am done arguing, if you all are so comfortable with your country continually embarassing themselves at major tourneys, I guess you’d be secretely praying david moyes makes us a seasonal midtable team so you can boast of been the super-fan.

  41. iamMatty says:

    So funny how none of you so called super-fans has been able to provide any agenda, vision or football philosophy to back up your man-love on moyes.
    Its been 5months now and am still waiting to get one from any of yall.

  42. Dela says:

    LOL, I come in to see if John has replied to my post and I see… that’s ALL he’s done and you’ve managed is to repeat the same drivel. Look mate, it’s clear you hate David Moyes, that’s for everyone to see, but unfortunately for you, your childish skills of rationalizing your hatred just don’t work on level headed people. You can spend your whole day getting angry because I won’t buy into your “burn it down” campaign, and most others won’t either. Where are you at Old Trafford????, stand up and SHOW YOURSELF in the middle of the red army with a Moyes Out banner and THEN maybe I’ll have the slightest amount of respect for you… not for your opinions… but because you’ll display a willingness to stand up and be seen!

    I’ll explain exactly why I don’t like you… you’re a manipulative person clearly used to getting your way. The reason you constantly post over and over and over again basically saying the same shit in different words is because you want to influence other people to your stance on Moyes. You aren’t interested in a debate.. not one bit… you’re interested in flooding the comments sections with poorly formed arguments about why Moyes is bad or needs to go or whatever, laced with hyperbole about how he’s going to DESTROY US ALL. Reality check kid… it’s people like you who could destroy United long before David Moyes could even if that was his intention, because you’re like a cancerous cell trying to manufacture dissent and spread through the United fan base. All you are offering is doubt, distrust, conspiracy and a one-sided analysis of everything that happened at United since Fergie called it a day… you offer no fucking hope at all, no support AT ALL, even if you do attempt to make it look like you give credit where its due but you don’t because you come right back and start again soon after. People like you know NOTHING about building or cultivating ANYTHING, all you know how to do is destroy, to drive a wedge, to be a divisive factor attempting to turn fellow fans against each other.

    Unfortunately mate…. this blog isn’t as popular as you think it is…. NOBODY is hearing you… only a small group of people who actually read the comments. But by all means, write me about 20 replies…. walk around angry all day in your parents house trying to think of something clever to say to me while I go off with my buddies to watch the game and have a decent Sunday afternoon and not think for a tiny second about John the Troll from RoM ;-)

    I mean really… WHY the hell am I even bothering replying to you? NOBODY is reading this.. I’m wasting my own time…. maybe its because I remember ROM in better days, before the Berbatov hatred, before the Darren Gibson hatred, before the Welbeck hatred, before the pissing and moaning replaced the good banter between fans here…. but its clear ROM is lost to trolls.. all the regulars are moving on (as have I actually, I just come back to read the odd thing or two that Scott writes if I see something interesting on my feedly… this is in no way my favorite United source anymore). So good news for you…. pretty soon ROM will be your own personal echo chamber.. congratulations!

  43. iamMatty says:

    Our club has already dropped off 220million in worth since david moyes took over. Just in 6months our club is 220million poorer even with the record revenues and massive endorsement deals. Oh lord! We see the signs, but some choose to delude themselves.

  44. John says:

    @Dela

    lolol..you had guts to dissesct the truth and deflect it to fulfill your agenda. I replied to it coz the crap you came up with is clearly delsuional and ABOVE for all to see. However, don’t think me too give a fuck who you are or whatever the fuck you do.. Dela, the deluded cunt from RoM..Doesn’t work with me mate…you clearly are a WUM of this blog with agenda to keep Moyes long term and destroy United..Yep, thankfully not many read this blog and don’t give a fuck what Dela the WUM from RoM has to say either! Cheers!!

  45. John says:

    @Dela

    Me getting angry because of what WUM Dela of RoM has written???…hahaha, you cannot make it up!!..LMFAO

  46. United says:

    @John

    I have to praise your honesty mate. I have been through other blogs of Manutd as well. I have been through other comments sections as well. From what I have seen, the majority of United fans are with you after the Everton pattern continued by David Moyes. I am not asking for moyes head however. Like you I am too ready to give him time until he gets sacked or he resigns.

    @Dela…

    Mate, you are fucking prick with agenda to keep moyes. The way you speak oozes your self-approval in a disgusting way. The way you have cut through @John’s comment and CLEARLY LIED is deserving of shame. You again shamelessly have guts to attack on personal level to @John instead of counter supporting your arguments which you clearly LIED for all to see. Go poke your nose into Moyes asshole and smell you fucking prick. You deserve it! PATHETIC CUNT

  47. John says:

    @United

    Thanks mate. I know that as well. Some of these are like kids throwing their toys when things don’t go their way while commenting here. They lie, as you say, shamelessly. As for example, the stadium was almost vacant before 4 minutes at 1-2 against Swansea and AT OLD TRAFOORD ffs!!!!! And, look the manipulative way of Mr. Moyes Lover!!!! How he manipulates as if fans care more about moyes than United itself is just deluded crazy way to approach it!!! As if we believe it. Step by step they lie just to protect moyes.

    Mate, I have already said, I am not asking for Moyes head. However, if he is deemed not good enough for long-term future of united he SHOULD GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Simple as that!!!!UNITED WON”T CHANGE FOR MOYES!!! MOYES MUST ADAPT AND SOON OR FUCK OFF TO SOME MIDTABLE CLUB!!!B)

  48. GregSylent says:

    this thread has been derailed!
    two good posters but both are far too extreme. I don’t think that our performances are solely the gaffer’s fault. the players have to take blame as well.

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