92-93: LWDW. Champions.
95-96: LWWW. Champions.
96-97: WDDD. Champions.
98-99: DDWW. Champions.
00-01: WDDW. Champions
02-03: WDDW. Champions.
07-08: DDLW. Champions.
08-09: DWLD. Champions.
09-10: WL….
In eight of our last eleven title wins we have had somewhat dodgy starts to the season, dropping points in at least two games, and in half of those the dropped points included a defeat. Losing 1-0 to Burnley is a dodgy result and this is certainly a dodgy start to another season.
Whilst having a bad start doesn’t mean you can’t win the league, having a good start or managing to go unbeaten in the first few games of the season doesn’t guarantee a great season either.
94-95: WDWW. 2nd.
97-98: WWDW. 2nd.
01-02: WDDW. 3rd.
03-04: WWWL. 3rd.
05-06: WWWD. 2nd.
Let’s not cry over spilt milk and just look forward to Wigan!
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I feel better already. Thanks Scott!
Thanks Scott, I’m feeling a little better. On to Saturday!
I like the optimism but it was the performance that was disappointing. Fergie will get it right and those players needed a game. Tough loss but your right, lets see how we play against a good Wigan team. I will have all my confidence restored if we respond well.
This has really made me feel better.
Massive shame, especially after feeling like I worked so hard juggling between streams and trying to get a perfect ratio of quality and speed of a feed. But, at least it wasn’t on TV I suppose for the one-night success of Burnley to really burn my retinas from the 50″ screen in the lounge.
The passing and play was too drawn and long in the first half – the second we let them get too close or got too close to them – the play never felt open. Here I reckon Nani would have shined. Owen on at half-time or on for the full match with Berbs being a substitute at half time or at 60 minutes in (replacing Carrick or Anderson) could have brought a result. But overall disappointing and leaves me feeling a ribbing from work is due. I can see why Owen or Rooney didn’t take the penalty, confidence-building is a tricky art, but if Rooney was given the chance I think he may have slacked off slightly for the rest of the match, but keeping his tally up and maintaining the game should have been a priority. Hoping Wigan get spanked!
07/08 was a truly horrible start. It’s also some consolation that our defense, back four as well as keeper, was for the most part makeshift. In all honesty tho I am concerned about the midfield. Valencia looked spot on but he was the only one. We need Hargo back and quick.
It’s true, and I’m sure most fans thought about this during the game, but it was still a poor performance. We were clearly rattled by their early goal and the Burnley supporters. Anderson and Owen were….uninspiring.
We’ll kick on, though, I have no fear.
This doesn’t soften the blow, we lost to fuckin Burnley, who to put it plainy are poor. I really hope Fergie doesn’t put it down as just a ‘bad’ night, it’s quite clear we are lacking something special. Not sure why he played Owen infront of Berbatov already, how he expects him to get consistent and show his true quality when he’s subbed or starts as sub is beyond me.
C’mon reds!!! Keep the faith.
ive learnt from last season that there are far too many twists and turns coming up to already say “we’ve lost it” etc. This is just a bad result and we must bounce back.
I had a funny feeling about Burnley… they did it in the cup games and now theyve done it in the league!
Time to move on i guess.
guys we need to calm down. every players need their time to get settle. but one thing fergi needs to give the chance to a player regularly. u cant drop a guy and suddenly pick him again.
man for the first time fergi isnt using the youngsters properly.
Unfortunatelly , I would say that the missing point here is the lack of team spirit , we play with no spirit @ all , wish to see new arrivals to bloster our medfield & attack before the transfer window close.
Haven’t seen the performance but It’s really disappointing. We were gonna see the effects of loosing Ronaldo, but it shouldn’t have been Burnley. It’s too early for anything, but our main players should really get their act together.
Scott, you’re a genius. feeling better already.
Thanks,I needed this
still use the lineup same as the one in UCL final…sighhh…that night using this same formation was one of our worst performance even we do have the world best player on our side…said no to this lineup ( park – carrick – anderson – giggs ) again…
how the hell could fergi drop valencia for park. park never desrve to be here in united. he is another guy who runs like a headless chicken.last player to do that was tevez and we threw him off. park has been doing this for 4years and he is still in the squad.
i respect and believe in fergi but sorry guys this squad does look average to me. hell any team would buy a player if they loose the likes of ronaldo. but fergi is too great he isnt spending .i say we may win the league but not europe.
i wish for once that one season our results would be WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Then there is no need to worry, ahh the life of a football fan, it causes you needless stress.
I have chosen not to live my life with past stats. The fact is that the team has problems with injuries and an understandable question mark among the players of “what we do now Ronaldo is not here”. I don’t think they have understood what’s expected of them now. It’s not about Carrick just giving the ball to Ronaldo to run defences. It’s not about Rooney drawing himself out on the wing to make space for Ronaldo. As soon as our players start realising what their new roles are, i think that we will be in a healthier state.
I didnt care a lot about the loss or the title race but i”ve been worried since last season about our lack of goals and sometimes lack of inspiration and creativity we didnt play that well against brum and today there is no need to talk about it . For me i would prefer us playing attacking football and beautiful rather than effiecnt football . I”d risk us losing trophy . Not like arsenal”s beautful shite but we can mix between the both . We have the qualities to crush small teams but we always look like we dont want to go for the kill or we play for a half and in the other one we get back to second gear . Even though other teams dont give us a chance with every team we play just parks the bus and defend and if they attacked they wont attack with more than 4 players that”s annoying but we mustn”t let that affect us we used to do it before we can do it now i know that other teams arent doing that but eventhough we can we should
i think we need to stop playing Fletch and Carrick together. Ando may make mistakes now, but he will learn.
I’m not worried too much. Life after Ronaldo needs some adjustment. Last few seasons the team was built around him, it’s time to really use the upcoming few matches to really gel the team together.
thanks scott for keeping me sane…tough to watch today, kept thinking that the goal was going to come sooner or later, but it did not. we need to get rid of these shirts, we cannot seem to win in them.
It’s not the result that bothers me, it’s that I’m not 100% sure this was a fluke rather than an indication of just how weak our midfield is.
Anderson, Carrick and Park were useless today Giggs had a few good minutes but a part from that our midfield was aweful. No creativity and no hunger it was so really really bad
and how about this Owen character isnt he supposed to be good at finishing?
( park – carrick – anderson – giggs ) with this lineup, nobody from man utd will bosses the midfield…seen this in UCL final where Xabi the one that control the mid…the result, get totally owned by barca…huhu
scot needs to stop papering over the cracks. the reality is this midfield and attack is at its worst since 03/04. there is no drive or autority coming from midfield, united have a collection of some of the worse wide players, tosic never seems to play, obertin where is he park is awful and fergie thought resting valencia and leaving out nani was a good idea who are both nothing great. upfront bar rooney we have a player on owen who is past it wearing a special shirt number, and berbatov who was dropped again when he takes forever to get going. he is not an impact player he has no drive or a real goal threat about him. and our other 2 strikers are way to inexperienced. in 07/08 we had the goals coming from a special player and a rock solid defence. we do not have this now.
I don’t see the current lineup working unless some serious rethinking is done to shake up the first 11. I don’t see how we could do any worse for boosting the overall hunger of the team by bleeding some of the younger talent like Gibson, Tosic and even Kiko.
It’s clear that we are shorter in creativity in this team than what we had in the mid-90s or even in the fledgelings era, even with guys with vision like Scholes and Berbatov. That being the case we have to compensate with bottle and even with Wazza trying his utmost to win every game on his own back, we definitely are short of that kind of drive in midfield.
Could we buy a solution to that problem? Maybe. Could we find an alternative in the ranks where we have not thus far? Maybe. But one thing is clear. We can’t expect to not show up in too many games like Burnley and still expect to be in serious convention when teams like Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea are pulling at the bit already like it’s mid-season.
Burnley was a serious wake up call for us. Let’s hope we move forward more intelligently from here on in.
We got to light a fire under some arses. 2nd gear is not going to cut it this season.
The stats would offer some solace if the performance wasn’t that awful. And the fact that the back four is makeshift does not explain the woeful attacking display…
Thanks for the stats Scott but they don’t really help do they. It was a disappointing performance and the result was its inevitable consequence.
I agree with everyone who’s said the midfield selection wasn’t the best one. Simply because we lacked any natural width. Giggsy was playing infield and Ando isn’t a winger so too much pressure on Evra to go one-on-one on the flanks instead of neat passing with the likes of Nani or even Rooney. Park will always cut inside to add a third pair of legs in the box and given the current defensive frailties Sheasy wasn’t venturing ahead much.
I honestly think for games like these, away at the smaller clubs, that we should use the likes of Gibson and Kiko who love having a go and aren’t susceptible to complacency like the seasoned regulars. These lads are less cautious i.m.h.o and that can make all the difference sometimes.
Lastly Rooney. Is he the only certain cream of the crop left? Its worrying that no one is consistently on the same wavelength as him and linking up with him for combo plays like we are used to seeing. And if and when someone does they haven’t shown enough quality to finish. Early days for sure but this is the sort of thing that can deplete Wayne’s form as well.
Something needs to give, and in a few days at JJB.
sorry but this does not look good, awful play, awful result, and just short of creativity on every spot! We are in desperate need of a pacey striker!
It was not just a loss it was a shameful one, bad movement ,lack of desire from a lot of players……
We could not have hit lower with our performance……..hopefully we will bounce back……
We were without our first choice back three, hope when they return things will change………..
IMO we do not need more players….
We need someone to show some urgency, motivate the whole team, provide the spark, someone has to step up and now!!
Giggs is superb, Evra is superb……
Fergie has said we are in verge of something special, and i trust that…
Finally all these FM mentality fans(sell this/buy that) sicken me arghhhhhh…
Good Morning All!!
Yesterday’s match is a bitter pill to swallow! should’ve scored on many occasions..feeling pretty sick..feeling like a bad hangover!!..getting stick from dipper fans here at work!!! Bad day to be in office
Scott,yes u r doin ur best bringin bak confident in2 us bt d truth mst always b told,cnt imagine d cunt carrick wud tak a penalty 4 United whn wazza,owen,ando,ryan even evra r alive,plz tell me it was a dream.i keep sayin carrick n d headless park r nt gud enouf no1 listens,bet me,dis season they wll b absolutely exposed,wat a shame even fergie admit d unworthy carrick missed d best chance of d game.hw do u expect ando 2 improve whn he’s paired wit a cunt dat cant mak d eng bench,wat a disgrace 2moro som1 tells me he’s class wat nonsense,fergie i tink its time 4ur hairdryer reactions
Season is long
Cheers, Scott. Thanks! Suprah is right – the season IS long.
Onward.
Upward.
UNITED!!!!
@manutdchampions2008
what do u want…a a lineup of ballond’or like real madrid maybe…
with the ridiculous amount of money for a player nowaday is it wise to spend now…
patient ur arrogant fan…patient…
we won epl treble 3 season in a row…after we lost it in 3 season in a row…
lets the team gel with new tactic and new player and young player developed into united style of play and then the trophy will come…
if we lost against wigan
(i too was furious,devastated,no mood for work when we lost a game)
it just 3 game in a season…
2 word for our dissappointing glory hunter fan,….
PATIENT…
BELIEVE…
the money will be put to good used in the right time…and please stop slating our player already…i remember Silvestre quite few time play poorly for us but no matter what he always be the Manchester United legend…
If this does not cheer people up nothing will!!!
http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/?p=1462
yep, the league is a marathon, not a sprint.
good morning everyone.
We cant look back at what we did in the past seasons and hope we will do the same again.had we lost playing well i would not have bothered much just like we lost to shitty in 2007.but this performance was devoid of any spark or inspiration.players trying to shoot every time they are outside the box,defence aimlessly launching longballs when we dont have any ariel presence in the box.ryan giggs corners being crap.wayne rooney going missing as usual when the team needs him and not getting a deserved red.anderson failing again(getting used to it now).
if we play like this next Sunday the gooners will kick our arse upside down.they are the form team.wigan away looks a daunting game now.Burnley was the easiest game away from home we will get all season.
Stevie me grinning after the result was announced at anfield and worst of all MAN SHITTY BEATING A BARCA TEAM WID MESSI AND IBRAHIMOVIC.
It looks like our only world class players are Rooney, Rio, Vida, Evra and VDS. The “potential” apart! I agree that quality squad players are very important but I hope we do not become a team full of multi-role average to above average players!!
Yes we are traditionally slow starters, and the stats are revealing. However, there are two ways of looking at this. One, this is yet another early season blip as usual, and therefore the squad is good enough. Two, last nights performance was worrying because the squad just might not be good enough. I subscribe to the latter view right now. I look through the squad list and I see good, loyal, hard working players. I do not see world class in there however. Wayne Rooney is one (but many would argue he’s POTENTIALLY a world class player who has not consistently been one, largely due to injuries and being played in all sorts of positions). So who in this team can take a game by the scruff of the neck, come up with moments of absolute magic etc etc? This does not mean we can’t win the league, all it means is its going to be mighty difficult and ugly if we are to do so. We will yet again be winning games by that odd late, ugly goal etc etc and rely on the fact that the rest of the league is just not as good.
It all depends on what our hopes and ambitions are for this club. Champions in the league, or Champions in style AND major threats in Europe. This squad right now, unless someone suddely becomes that world class element (be in Nani, Ando, Valencia, Owen or who have you), is definitely not capable of winning in Europe. Compare us to the squads at Barca, Real Madrid etc etc and its clear we are not world class. Simple fact is I don’t see more than two-three players who I would say are absolutely indispensible and priceless. World class players usually are…
2 player left and we are not world class already…
come on…
dont forget scholes strike against barca in the UCL semifinal…
ronaldo was important and score lot of goal for us…but if we start to supply Rooney the amount of assist we used to give to ronaldo believe me we have a possible top scorer player…
It’s really a shock to the system for us to be ‘burnt’ by Burnley in only the second game of the season.
Thanks for the statistics, Scott. Although they may offer a scant ‘consolation’ from a bad result, we have to stop the rot starting from this weekend against Wigan. I reckon Valencia to shine against his former club, should he get the minutes on the pitch.
At the moment, we have the midfield personnel but not the creative flair and vision. Too defensive-minded, if I may add.
Anyway, let’s move on and perhaps, go on an unbeaten run like last season again? :O)
what was the start in 06-07 ?
hoping we improve on the record of the first 4 matches compared to previous 2 seasons.
Yep. No crying over spilt milk indeed. However, Burnley should’ve been easy points, not getting those points means we now are under pressure to get them from other teams.
@wazza (Bezi)
the start that year was
WWWW.
then we lost to gooners and drew wid reading
winning treble in a row…in the champion league final for two consecutive year have make a few of our fan believe that should win every trophy,they are desperate for success…
let hope the team play well and build up team play in this season and gaining new experience with new tactic…
if this season we fail..we might come back stronger next season…that was the way of Manchester United…
its time we start facin d reality n avoid being sentimental fergie plays wit our matches he did wit everton in d fa cup semis he did it wit bacar in d ucl final n yester using owen ahead of berba(unacceptable)n he say he wants more 4rm berba dis season,using ando on d flank n giggs in d middle using park dropin valencia.carrick dat guy should’nt be on a united shirt..fergie got it all wrong lastnight n owen has nothing 2 offer dat guy is finished
For those saying the stats would make you feel better if it wasn’t for the performance – our performances at the start of the 07/08 season were utterly toothless. Still won the Premiership and European Cup. It’s shit to lose to Burnley but it’s not the end of the world and shouldn’t be seen as a measure of how good our squad is.
however, by winning that match last night we will get an extra booze to win another match.. it’s not like we losing the league already, but hey, who doesn’t like a winning?
What we missed yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qdo8nyGaHA
haha…nice bruv
@Scott the Red
we started the season badly in 07-08 but we lost games against city and drew wid portsmouth where we played very well.we cant rely on 1-0 wins every year even though we have a great defence.and i m sure that even last season the free flowing football was missing.we scraped through many games. SAF has to ensure that we start playing attractive again rather than keeping a clean sheet and hoping we get a goal from somewhere and convert it into 1-0.
Where was all this faith during the match yestrday
ive never ot off rom cause i was pissed at the amount of negativity
you’d swear it was a make or break match
thems the breaks and one of the fantastic reasons of been a football fan
. im going look in to the future burnley will loose there next match by 2 goals at least
Them stats show not that we will defo be champions
but they do show its not the end of the world
P.S. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8_96Fk8LjE&
@Gotta hate tiny tears
good morning mate to you and emily
of course we have faith in the team and bringing out one or two points where we have to improve does not mean we dont have faith.it is there for everyone to see that our midfield is playing poorly and it is a fact and has to be adressed.
its right of us as diehard fans to expect that United should win every game although we all know it is not possible.we will win most and lose some.as fans we have a right to point out the shortcomings too.
as for burnley even if they concede 100 goals in their next match i m not bothered.i m sure other members of big 4 will give them a good walloping at turf moor.
i hate 2 say it , as im nt 1 4 livin in the past but last nite was made 4 ronnie , how many times ova the last few seasons wud he havg hit a shot from distance , a free kick n dare i say that pen ???? , we had no spark , no wil , flat as can b ??? this is no knee jerk reaction but ive been sayin since ronnie left we nd a big player in , silva wud b ideal , saf has neva been worried bout payin ova the odds b4 , so y now ??? i know saf says he expects players from within 2 step up , but we cant afford ne period of transition , nt wiv all the big spenders n top teams out there , giv us a massive lift n spend sum money , plzzzzzzzzzzz ….
A.I.G.
all i kept getting yesterday was
wheres berba wheres berba
enter berba
he’s shit lazy we need to buy someone
owens shit cant score owens shit
we need to buy someone
fuck sake carrick can noone take a peno
we need ronaldo
ronaldo ronaldo ronaldo
and i was sitting there reading this and watching the match were burnley put up the fight of there life
watching berba change the shape of the game watching valencia and thinking ,signing of the season so far, watching owen and rooney having 2/3 people mark them everytime they got the ball and not give them an inch of space
i watched carricks peno that ended in an amazing save
i watched a roy of the rovers game last night
i dont expect united to win every game
i expected them to win yesterday but they didnt simple as
id my money on united winning 2-4 yesterday because i knew burnley would play the way they played i just taught united would get some space
Two games and two very poor performances. On what we’ve seen so far UTD will NOT win the EPL this season. However the only good point to come out of last nights game is the fact that there’s still about 10 days to go before the transfer window closes. With £80mill. available Fergie should be looking for reinforcements – a quality striker, a DM, and a constructive MF.
I just find it hard to believe that Fergie could be satisfied with the quality of his MF players. Ever since last Christmas there has been a huge question mark about the consistent ability of players such as Carrick, Anderson and others.
Unless Fergie sorts this out in the next 10 days, then I’m afraid the EPL trophy will be going elsewhere in May 2010.
I am truly upset about losing to Burnley – these are the games that gave us the edge against Liverpool and Chelsea to some degree – winning and scoring against the so called “lesser teams”.
We lack something in midfield – Ronaldo covered them cracks for us but now it’s evident.
Carrick shouldn’t be taking penalties – if Owen would have taken it and scored, he may of found his confidence and gone on to score. Or what about Rooney FFS?!
Carrick is a good player but he disappears too often in big games and sometimes in smaller games.
We need a central midfielder to string together the final passes etc, that’s my opinion.
Anyway, hope we will get it right and prove everyone wrong again
@Gotta hate tiny tears
i read myself about a few players getting the stick for not performing well.but you win and lose as a team,so no point blaming people.The only person who is yet to make any sort of impression on me is Anderson.But i wont blame anybody individually.The worrying part for me is that with spurs and shitty spending and strengthing their teams it wont be easy to go to sunderland,spurs,man city and get wins easily.these teams will not be far off.so we have to win away games like Burnley and be be dominating games like we used to.
it was a disappointing match but what i thought was even if we had ronaldo , we would still lose the match. The midfield was just not working out. There is no link between the midfield and the strikers, its only when berba came on and he can bring the ball up forward. Park Carrick Ando cant bring the ball forward ytd other than giggs and evra
67% of possession ?
They allowed us to approach their penalty area and then nothing.
Strange game. I am still not healthy enough.
A.I.G. i hear ya mate
but sir alex never trows money at a problem if he doest have to and i dont know if he does have to
people who pull out opinions like carrick and fletcher shouldnt play together or owen should be used as a sub thing
there opinions and football opinions is what been a fan of football is about as much as the team they support
but stupid wheres ronaldo owens shit carrick didnt score a peno the wanker comments are ridiculous
this is not aimed at you a.i.g. sir but just comments left yesterday during the match
even ronaldo miss a penalty…remember semifinal against barca…that doesnt stop him winning more individual trophy isnt it…
come on…i support Manchester United no matter what…because ill know they always come back stronger after failure…
still remember when we winning leagues in the season solskjaer being used as a winger…so dont criticised ferguson tactic and line up just yet…
he always prove u all doubter wrong…for everton and barca match last season…its a rare wrong decision,he is still human afterall….
we were shit, there was no passion save for evra, giggs …. it looked like they didnt give a shit.. the team is void of ideas.. carrick is not good enough, anderson is not good enough, park is a marketing tool.. we need 2 new midfielders..
but we all know the money is NOT there, no matter what fergie says.. even with winning last year, we never really played well… this could be the death knell
the last peno that united missed in the league was a ,shock horror, ronaldo peno against west ham united 1 nil up peno missed united lost 2-1
we our gonna struggle this year…big time… carrick is rubbish, usually good against shite opposistion but last night was dreadful again… the guy is an imposter.. as is anderson the flash brazilian cunt.. joggiung around the pitch without an ounce of passion.. fuck off back to brazil and your favala ya classless cunt
The matched raked of last year’s Carling Cup match against Derby County. We lost one nil from another rocket shot. Ronaldo was there so it is deffo not because of his absence that we lost yesterday. I was disappointed that Fergie played Ando out of position. Valencia should have started, with carrick and giggs, or fletcher and ando in midfield.
PS: We need Rio and Vida back.
ghtt
i agree wid you there.no player wants to perform badly especially at manchester United.but i dont want to say anything abt SAF.Admitted,he gets it wrong and fair enough,no one is perfect,everyone makes mistakes.but he gets it right more often.
i read the comments during the match yesterday and you are spot on.what happens is people get frustrated during the match and post such comments.
lads anderson couldnt care less about united, he was sauntering around the pitch last night, he has people fooled… as does carrick, rooney showed his passion by kicking someone… where is the men in the team? the keanes, bruces, robsons, the strong characters? answer we dont have any…. park is a marketing tool and should dfuck off he is rubbish, carrick the same, anderson back to his dope dealing mates
even though we are traditionally slow starter, we did not play this badly..
dont mind we lose if we played like we always did
but anyway lets just support the team.. thanks scott!
keanesmagichat – I agree 100% that steet urchen Anderson can fuck right off back to whatever ghetto he came from. Our midfield is one of the worst in the top 6 or 7 of the league. Park is nothing more than a tool to sell shirts and Owen is a filthy scouse cunt who couldn’t hit a donkey’s arse with a banjo.
if we cant score goals against newly promoted sides then how will we score against chelsea,arsenal, the scouse or even the blue shite. the differance with this season is we”re not missing a major attacking player. in 07/08 rooney broke his foot against reading and ronaldo was sent off against pompey but as soon as they returned we started playing well again, and last season ronaldo was injured for the first few months but as soon as he returned we started winning again. michael owen is not up to it, in the 4 games hes featured in against decent opposition hes done sfa. he had 1 chance against brum that adi aknbiyi could have scored and he completly bottled it. berbatov is twice the player owen is now and why he was dropped for him i”ll never know. park is not united class, never was , never will be. i know its only the second game but our next two games are against wigan away and the arse at home. i just cant see how we”ll improve to beat them. if those two games are not won, we are in big trouble. i think fergie needs to spend that money, but i know he wont. very, very worried……..
Last night was so frustrating. It’s like there’s something missing from the team but I can’t point out what. Park should’ve been substituted at half time. He kept falling over and losing the ball everytime someone passed to him.
haha how are ya lad?? owen misses chance after chance he is a scouse bastard and i will never take to him as most stretrord enders will not, anderson did nothing well all game.. how do people rate this flash, brash ghetto child? he does nothing,… carrick is like a crab… no passion,. no committment, no title…. i was at the match and it was pathetic… overpaid cunts (anderson)
Against teams like Burnley, who drop deep and get everyone behind the ball, we need pacey wingers. We started the match with Anderson on the left and Park on the right if I remember correctly. I was amazed why Park got to finish the game, he was having a really bad day (but so were many other players). I would have preferred Nani or Tosic in this situation, I was glad to see Valencia come on. Against Wigan I want this team to start:
Foster
O’Shea – Brown – Evans – Evra
Valencia – Carrick – Scholes – Nani
Rooney – Berbatov
I kind of wanted to see Fergie go all out attack with 3 strikers on. When Berbatov came on he did a good job holding up the ball and creating spaces for runs…and as we know Micheal Owen is good at spotting those runs.
I thought Giggs did a good job in the midfield, looked like a solid defensive midfielder sometimes with those ball winning tackles…good job old man
We started 92/93 season with two lead. Sheffield 2-1 UNITED and Everton 3-0 UNITED
In 10 days we’ll meet Arsenal and Spurs after that. We’re not gonna make it with shite performance like last night. SAF needs to do something. Last night’s play was so soulless and empty.
Scholes still has the quality but he has become a liability.
We need our full defence back, they are our insurance policy, the amount of times Rio and Vida save our asses is unreal.
Last night was a poor performance but there goal was unstoppable and their keeper was ridiculous.
I’m good keano and yourself? Fergie really dropped the ball with his team selection last night eh? The midfield reminded me of the days we lined up with Kieran Richardson, Alan Smith, Fletcher(when he was still shite) and Kleberson. Hope we aren’t going to have to suffer this much longer, we need someone who is a threat from midfield. We just passed ourselves to death without any creativity. I don’t think you could find a worse winger in the league than Park. I’d even rather have that awful paddy lad Hunt from Hull.
lads we can all say we started this season with blah blah blah….
the crux of the matter is we have not played well since january last year..
we have struggled past teams, not creating or taking chances… our midfield is unbelievably weak… we are in serious trouble if we do not buy.. carrick? anderson? park? gimme a break…. park is a marketing tool, carrick disappears and is a reknowned bottler, anderson is a arrogant brazilian classless cunt who has the majority of supporters fooled…
I know the stats say that we sometimes have a ropey start and then go onto win the league but it feels different this season.
I’m just not that excited about the year ahead ,maybe the Ronaldo hangover will affect me more than I think.
I also will never get my head around Micheal Owen playing for us.Never rated him and its just not right.I dont care if he cost us nothing and if its a ‘no brainer’ signing but it sends out the wrong signals to other teams.
Doesn’t soften the blow when you lose to a team that is likely to go down and will probably get whipped by all the other top teams.
Still gutted, but hopefully this is the reality check the team needs to get it’s act together.
haha
id rather that plastic paddy kilbane… our team now minus ronaldo reminds me of the 03/04 team alright…. park is shite, wouldnt get into any of the top ten teams… he sells shirts the horrible looking fucker… anderson is the real cunt though did you see his lack of energy last night? he didnt care… he is scum, takinbg his paycheck, placating retarded fans with platitudes about how much he loves the club! the retarded fans of course love him in return! idiots! where are the real men in the team? evra, giggs and berba to be fair when he came on all tried.. carrick? i hope he dies so we could get someone better with the insurance money
Death would be too good for that wanker Carrick. I’d rather see him lose all his limbs. We’d still pick up the cash off of the insurance and he’d have to suffer like we do watching him. Evra was class last night and Giggs gave it everything but this bad form has been going on for so long without Fergie addressing it. That sick note nazi Hargreaves may as well be written off so we need to replace him before the season starts.
Scottthered: We may have only picked up 2 points from our opening 3 games in the 2007/08 season, but that was a far better side than the one we have now.
I’m sorry but alarm bells are ringing at United, unless we bring in some new faces. I honestly think we need a top creative centre midfielder, and a proven top class striker. Ronaldo and Tevez have gone, BOTH massive losses. Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo were our main men in that 07/08 season, now were left with one of them.
We all know how bigger loss Ronaldo was, but lets personal feelings aside and be realistic, Tevez is also a massive loss to our side. He had a knack of scoring important goals, and I would have loved to have had him available for that game last night. When we chuck Berbatov on to save us you just know the games up for us.
John O’Shea looks to be United’s first choice right back, which is a massive worry. Rio seems to be injured all the time now, massive concern. Van Der Sar possibly in his last season. Scholes, Giggs and Neville all needs replacing. Owen over the hill and a stop gap replacement. Berbatov is just a waste of a player. Serious concerns for this United side. The balance isnt there. Fergie doesn’t know his best midfield, it’s all a recipe for a slow decline of this current United side.
good work on the united medical team with h-bomb… munich must be laughing at the stupid english… what a joke… this is the nadir… burnley? without a fight, without a care, id love to meet carrick the id bust his head then sodomise him over and over…maybe run a train on his ass down moss side
@haha
Are you for real? it’s not nice to wish ‘death’ for anyone.. sounds very childish
I agree about carrick.He is so overrated (not by me) and his passing is fucking woeful.He has maybe 1 decent game in 10 and thats usually against shitty teams.
Evra was quality again last night,but when itsnt he quality.Rooney tried hard and kept dropping deep to get something going.I felt bad for Berba because he must be gutted,seeing Owen ever get a game ahead of him.
Oh yeah we’re generally sluggish starters and don’t really properly get the consistently world-class performances out until after xmas really. Its just a case of grinding out the next few results I think, winning ugly as champions do.
Maybe adding another player before the transfer window closes?
Last night was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen by United against one of the worst teams in the top flight. I’m very worried about the upcoming fixtures. Arsenal will make us jump through hoops if we play like that and I hate to say so will citeh. Something ust be done with this group of players or else some new blood must be introduced. I bet the only people feeling worse than us are the players right now so lets not be too harsh on them.
I thought Burnleys keeper played really well.
It has to be said, if Ronaldo was playing he could have changed the game.
Guys like Nani and Anderson really need to step up.
Not sure how long Giggs and Scholes can go on like this.
As always Evra was super dangerous.
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Pity we already dropped 3 points, but better now than later, and I hope United get back on track and win against the likes of scousers, arsenal, man city etc. But still am concerned about the way we are playing, the lads dont click as they did when ronaldo was in the squad, may be need someone to boost them up
Good(?) Morning everyone. This is what i was talking about when i said that i hoped Unites fans had patience this year. Yes, we lost 2 players and brought 3 new ones, but that’s not the real story. The thing is that we ar going through a transitional period. The problem is not with our current crip of players. They can still be used to the best of their strengths. For example, Valencia and Berba should be starting games like this. Not Park and Owen. Besides, and as i have sadi throughout the summer, who says the Ronaldo money are available anyway?
@tony starks
I wish he’d lose his arms and legs. As already stated death is too good for him. Pay attention.
I can’t understand this sympathy for Berbatov. That prick has pretty much started every game since he joined us and has managed 14 pathetic goals, with some quite woeful performances. I could sum his play right here, he drops far too deep, picks up the ball with his back to goal and lays off a 10 yard square pass and then doesn’t follow up the play because he is too fucking slow to get up there and continue the attack. He cant head a ball for someone who is over 6ft, he has no pace, he has no strength, he rarely gets a chance or even has a shot! He is a pathetic excuse for a striker. The fact Fergie never really gave Forlan a chance, but insists on sticking by this prick is beyond me!
I would continue starting Owen ahead of Berbatov. The goals will come for Owen, he’s a proven goal scorer. He may be a short term fix gap but he will still out score Berbatov without a doubt.
People are definitely acting very strange this morning!
Tony Starks tell me about it.
I’ve had enough of the rose coloured glasses. Been watching and enjoying MU for 30 years and I can’t remember a more inept performance.
Park – absolutely useless nothing other than an Asian marketing tool
Anderson – believes his press no-one else does
Carrick – gutless and B grade
Evans – already thinks he should be in Real madrid
Brown – too little too late
Neville – broken down thanks for the effort
Hargreaves – two years no football = no messiah
Giggs & Scholes retire now and save yourselves from the upcoming embarrassment
Goal keeper – where? Schmeichel must be cringing
Nani – one in ten good performances not good enough
Fletcher B grade
Owen is a fifth colunmist, still on the scousers payroll
Class players = Rooney, Berba – poor bastard, Evra, Vidic and Rio. Who else????
Valencia is currently petrified to do anything.
Kids Kiko and Wellbeck are just that. Look at Arsenal and what they haven’t achieved with kids.
Don’t rely on the past, the game has moved on and MU hasn’t got sufficient numbers of class & “committed” players to compete at the top level.
Ed (United Rant) is spot on when he says the power base has shifted back to Europe, tax laws, FIFA prejudices and press bias will mean the best will continue to look in that direction.
Vidic??????? will we see another Ronaldo like half hearted effort as he manoeuvres to exit the club
@costas.
good morning mate.
SAF has the money available but if there are not good players available at the right price why waste money on overhyped and overpriced players.
as for start if owen and park wnt start against Burnley,wen will they start?this was the easiest away game of the season.
costas how are ya lad.. its been a long time
Jeez, some of the comments on here are REALLY constructive… :-s
Last night was calling out for a player in the Hargreaves/Fletcher mould…someone who could break up the Burnley attack, as our defence looked quite shakey, and then distribute the ball accordingly…
Failing that, Anderson should have been played in the middle, where he is MUCH more effective and might have got a hold of the midfield. Why was he played on the wing? When we start the match with Anderson and Park on the wings you gotta worry that we don’t have sufficient backup for injuries to either Nani or Valencia (the latter should have started btw). So if we’re gonna buy another player it should be a quality left winger.
(and people who rip on Anderson after one game where he was played out of his normal position have clearly forgotten what he’s done in the past for us – the boy will come good)
We don’t need another striker…we have enought of those and they will come good as well.
I’d give Hargreaves till Jan to prove his fitness…otherwise get another DM in ASAP.
Any thoughts?…
costas
read the commests on this blog and you will realise what tony starks is trying to say.never thought our fans wud say like this about our own players.thats a shame.
Hey keanesmagichat. I am doing ok. How are you?
@AIG:
Park’s strength is his workrate so i think he’s best suited to start the big games. Owen’s strength is running at the back of defences so he shouldn’t be starting agasinst a team that will sit deep. And as i said yestrday, rotating 5 of the 6 mdfield and attack players this early on is not wise.
costas
depressed, i really fear for us this season…. our midfield is void of ideas and strength… we could be in for a horrific season… we need to buy, but the question is who? maybe a swap deal with carrick, he is so inconsistent, anderson? the lad is an imposter no doubt.. i can count on the fingers of one hand how many good games he has had.. but he is a crowd favourite.. how? i have no idea
Thank God for Republik, I feel better already.
@keanesmagichat
Anderson,crowd’s fav?now that is news to me.i did not knw that.our supporters have started making a player whi cannot scre in 2 years a crowd fav.only 2 good games he had,at anfield and at emirates in 2007-08 season.his shooting is awful.
We can look at it this way as well..
A great skill that Man United possesses is to ALLOW NEW teams (such as Burnley) to win occassionaly. Now lets take a look at one of the advantages of this GREAT & UNIQUE skill that Man United possess:
- It allows the Weaker team/New team to gain confidence that they can win big matches. This in turn lifts the confidence within shareholders and the manager. Due to this, shareholders/sponsors invest more money into the team and make sure the team stays afloat and gets more competitive. Now, this results in more jobs (more physicians & trainers are hired) in the market which helps a bit to beat recession. Now,…
@keanesmagichat: I was one of Ando’s fans in his first season. He has taken steps backwards it seems. I am also a bit depressed, but i am still trying to hope that there will be a positive reaction. There is no doubt that this team is not talented attacking wise as it was in 06-08. That’s why it’s crucial to have the defenders fit. At the moment if i am pissed off about something is having to constantly worry about Rio and how he is going to get injured next.
@Dakota
Ha! I like that
I agree, it’s far too early for all the doom mongory, but there are some glaring issues. 1) It was Burnley, who Stoke played off the park at the weekend. These are the teams we should be putting a marker down as Chelsea did at Sunderland and as Spurs did at Hull. 2) Our poor start last season included a defeat to Liverpool (Although harder to swallow, much less disgrace in losing to a team that finished with their record points tally than a team that scraped into the Prem via the play-offs!) and a draw with Chelsea. 3) Our first 5 games this season include Arsenal and a strong Spurs side away. Should we not get anything at Wigan and our poor form continues then we could be looking at 3 points from 5 games which have included two newly promoted teams!. Our previous poor starts have given head starts to relatively weak teams. The teams we have already given goals and points advantages to are now stronger and we will find it much harder to claw these points back. At the back end of last season we struggled to find any consistant fire power and we’ve started this season the same way, we need to start finding the back of the net. I think for the first few games of the season we should look to put points on the board and start with the strongest possible team, last nights was not that. Owen looks short on confidence and Berbatov needs a sustained run as Rooney enjoys! We need a player in the middle of the park that can make things happen and a quality forward who loves scoring. David Silva and Kun Aguero fit the bill. Did anyone see the quality in Aguero’s strike last night? Too early to panic but changes are needed and if we potter on the way we have gone with two poor performances against newly promoted teams then we’ll lose too much ground to ultimately make up.
To be honest people I have decided that my current opinion will be to see a few more games to see if there is a pattern about the season to come. It’s a bit unfair to come to a conclusion from 1 or 2 games at the start of the season. But I do have realistic expectations this year so al take things easy!
Alex is God
His song gets song non stop…. evra does not even have a song…
Anderson is shit and smacks me as a fella who thinks he has it made.. No work ethic whatsoever… he should be put out to pasture if he fails to perform (and he wont) this season.. carrick the same….
Disappointing result but we’ve all been here before and no doubt will be again. Burnley beating Utd is what makes football such compulsive viewing although I wasn’t feeling quite so reasonable and about it all last night!!
Just a couple of observations though.. Burnley were outdone by Stoke at the weekend by crosses into the box so we drop Valencia and Berba for Park and Owen. Can’t work that one out. Burnley were also going to run around like mad things in midfields so we drop Fletch for Carrick??
Not criticising Fergie here but I do think he has a tendancy to over-rotate and I do think he needs to acknowledge once and for all that Park just can’t cut it at this level.
That’s it. Mini-rant over
We now really need a good performance at Wigan with Arse, Spurs and Citeh to follow.
Dear Keanesmagichat
On behalf of all United fans with a brain bigger than yours (98%)
FUCK OFF you dipper bastard.
Yours sincerely
P.S you want to meet Carrick and probably punch him or something like that, newsflash, he’d kick the shit out of you. Now go back to nursery you pathetic 5 year old girl.
Same goes for you haha.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLPyp0g–44
and evra does have a chant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chKFTFJf1Zk
also the fact that playing promoted teams in the beginning of the season is a big pain!
its the same midfield as last year except we’ve got a winger in valencia that keeps rooney playing up front we have obertan coming we have hargreeves before the end of the season which we hadnt got last season we have gibson one year on
Ronaldo thou a winger played up front most of the season
Why continuously re post the Evra “chant” (mumble?).
Can anyone actually hear the words?
Just right it down mate if you want people to pick it up.
Scott, how many of those early season defeats have come at the hands of a newly promoted team?
Scant consolation i’m afraid.
Why are some United fans here going nuts over Carrick, Ando and Park like that, I really don’t understand. Granted, their performance was poor last night, no excuses, but ripping the hell out of them like that is just ridiculous, not to mention childish.
Look, it’s one game, it’s a bad game, it’s a bad result, but I’ve got confidence we’ll bounce back. It’s a lesson for the lads, they KNOW they have to step up. If they don’t, then we don’t deserve the title, simple as.
mufc the religion – you plastic bastard. I bet yer from fucking Wales or some other shit hole. Leave the footie talk to people who don’t get their opinions off of that fat fuck Andy Gray. Our midfield is shite and Carrick is one of the main offenders. We’ve coasted through the last season playing badly and scraping one nil wins. We’ve been found out. Deal with it.
@haha
Agreed,Carrick is a bag of shite…….
@jespermoses
too right I’m sick of people sticking up for him. He’s so fucking limited.
mufc the religeon..
plastic cunt, bet you day trip to old trafford once a year and hover around looking like the megastore has chewed you up and spat ya out…
all your posts are rubbish its plain you know very little about football or soccer as you call it!
jog on lad, everyone agrees carrick is shite and my nan would knock seven colours of shit out of him… he is a soft cock.. like yourself.. no wonder you stick up for him your kindred spirits.. now go check your online dictionary to see what some of thoise big words mean dickhead
Firstly, it’s only game #2 .. but I’ve felt that this season is going to be a season of adjustment and re-ognition of team spirit, drive and ambition …
I won’t take away from the opinion that the loss against Burnley for a team like Utd is a total embarassment (it is and nothing can take away from that) .. I think some reality on behalf of the team and management is needed … a creative midfield demon and a forward with current ‘finishing timing’ (particularly Owen and Rooney at times) are needed .. we won’t be beating any of the big European teams unless we address this .. I’ve said this before here and I’m still convinced … Wigan better watch out though, as a thumping is required ..
@ Aidan Casserly
Exactly mate. An embarrassment like that is what they need to wake them the management and the team up. Our midfield needs Fletcher and Hargreaves back, and our strikers need to be a whole lot sharper, and hopefully this defeat will make them see that. They’ll get Wigan, I’m sure.
its all kicking off here today, i must admit the constant posting of emily is a bit strange in my opinion
@exiledred : I agre mate. The midfield is crucial and personally i do think Carrick is vital to it. In the 3 years he has been here, he has played his part in our success. And to be fair to him, he had never missed a penalty
hey lads its a right closed shop here eh? what happened to free speech, jim relax a bit maybe its the mans daughter…. right bum boys on here today
@keanesmagichat: nothing strange about it, imo.
@exiledred: I think your assessment of Carrick’s prob the fairest of the lot here. He’s a good player, and he was so underrated in his first season here, but now that people realise it and start talking him up, that’s when the expectations set in, and conversely that’s probably why they’re slagging him off for being ‘overrated’. I still like the Carrick-Hargo central midfield though.
possepossebon
well i do so boo hoo lad… constantly throwing your daughter up on youtube, making her sing united chants… do you know anyone else who does it? no! so then its unusual and strange… thats all im saying and i am 100% right
Screw that, we could have been still there playing and we wouldn’t have scored. Nothing like panic buys in late August, but if ever we need a panic buy i think its now. Players need a kick in the arse to get them going and nothing like a big kick in the arse than to get new players in. Sneidjer and Villa in for 50m – just make it happen SAF. We need them! Send Macheda out on loan to Valencia for the season to soften the Villa deal. Looking at our team last, we are really an average side. Not looking forward to the Arsneal visit already!
What the hell is going on today!
One defeat and everyone has gone loopy! Help Scott! Writa a match report or something!
@keanesmagichat: I appreciate it that mate. Back to football. Do you think that Carrick is useless to the team anymore. I was impressed with him for large parts of the last 2 seasons i must admit. The problem is that maybe he is not a complete holding midfielder and he is not a complete attacking midfielder. He is a mix. And so is Andeson. 2 years ago they made a great combo. Now, they don’t compliment each other well.
why did he drop fletcher! clearly united were in for a fight in the middle of the park last night and he sticks on carrick?! anderson on the left wing> give me a break
we need fletcher starting in every game until hargreaves comes back- you need a midfield that can win the ball! where was valencia he would have put them under pressure.
back to my fletcher point, the defense was clearly weak last night so why take off your only defensive midfielder?!?!
Yup,Bring on some panic buys please.Just dont spend all the dough SAF.
costas
i think carrick is a good midfielder when he has a authoritative midfielder nect to him.. but he cannot boss a midfield even against the weakest teams..
i really think he is just not good enough, the occasional good pass is not enough… fletcher should always play when there is no hargreaves…
carrick doesnt have the drive or passion he is a pussy in laymans terms
@keanesmagichat
Well most of us are fine with it. I’m not saying you’re wrong, mate. Just giving my opinion, is all.
@doncobaino: I think Fletch had some sort of family emergency. But i will agree that he should be playing a lot. Look at Chelsea and Liverpool: whenever Essien and Mascherno are fit, they play.
carrick is much better with fletcher alongside him doing the dirty work. take fletcher away and carrick has to tackle and cover the defence which doesnt work imo.
if you want to play carrick then play fletcher.
@Costas
here is my view.
Michael Carrick is a proper Central midfielder, not a defensive or an attacking one but mixture of both.the only person who can complement him is Darren Fletcher bcoz that gives carrick the license to go forward more.Anderson,scholes,giggs,gibson are poor at defending(fair enough,that is not their main job)and hence we dont have a proper defensive midfielder like mascheranho,diarra,toute yaya,essien and that is our shortcoming.the only problem here is every other top European side has a top 20 goal attacking midfielder in kaka,lampard,gerrard.Till last season we were lacking in that department but Ronaldo’s amazing ability to score meant we could do with it.no other top European side has a winger who will rattle in 25-30goals.thats why we were safe.Now that the man himself has gone we are facing a problem as to who will take over that mantle.Earlier teams had Cron and Rooney to deal with and both of them had a deadly understanding.now the opposition know,mark rooney out of the game and United are in trouble.Thats what Burnley did.thats the area of concern
very disappointing, it’s hard having all the CITEH fans harassing me right now at work
well i will be happy even if we lose the season but make new stars. but i cant see that also happening. to be frank fergi till now doesnt know how to use anderson. yeah he has been given oppurtunities and has been inconsistent but ando and nani have never got the chance even to play 5 games continiously. i woundnt drop nani or valencia for shit park.
when will fergi give tosic the chance to play. maybe when he turns 26.
if u are not spending ur money then u should give the youngsters the chance to play.
i still rate giggs better than all the youngsters but we need to give them chance.i still believe this squad wiil win the league. but if fergi doesnt use them properly then forget the trophies.
@keanesmagichat : I think most are agreeing with you in that respect then. It’s a shame,because after 3 years at United, i would have expected Carrick to become more of a leader in his are. Yet it seems like his performanced depend on who’s next to him. Scholesy helped him a lot in his first season and Hargo did so in his second one.
@AIG: I agree. Since our attacking options have gotten worse than last year, i think that we should invest on our defence to see games through for us. That’s why i am panicking with the fitness of our defenders.
I want to say one thing… Despite all the players we have, I think still two of our best players are Giggs and Scholes. What does that mean?
Ronaldo aside, I hate to say this, as someone who wanted the argie player to leave by December, we missed Tevez. I don’t want Tevez back, mind, but we lacked heart out there. It felt leaderless. Carrick did nothing to make up for his miss, and was nowhere near the rebound anyway. Starting to question Carrick more and more since the Barca game. When we compare ourselves to the best in the world, are our players really as good, all over the park? In ’99 we had Keano, Scholes, Becks, and Giggs to help us when we were 1 down. Now we got only Rooney (should have saw red, again). The lack of characters and strong reputations in our midfield is starting to bother me. I reckon I could walk Ando, park and Carrick off the park if they play like yesterday. We don’t don’t need to sign, Fergie just needs to fire them up more.
One game lost, we’ll be ok with the kick up the arse, I’m sure. We missed Nani and Valencia. Just watched the highlights again. Last night watching the match it didn’t look likely to happen, but the highlights show we had more chances than I thought. Giggs should have belted it right-footed, and Owen, well, he’ll come good! I always worry when we try to walk the ball in. Not sure of our shots on goal stats but it won’t have been as good as, say Chelsea’s tight win on Saturday, when they had 27 shots on goal.
even tho we might keep comfort with the stats, it’s still unacceptable… gah!
Its well known United start badly, but i don’t think the concern is the loss of 3 points last night….the concern is we have just lost to Burnley.
I also think that Ferguson should not be shuffling the team so early in the season, he needed to keep the same team from saturday so they can get into their stride, its too early to rotate!
Now this is to all the pessimistic fans of our club.
We may very well not win the league this year.Fair enough,we are not the favourites too dis year.As Scott once said we do not have a divine right to win the league(thats bad).But we have to understand that its not only us but any team in the world CANNOT end up not suffering losing the best player in the world.we will rebuild and it may take a few years and we may not win anything too.But as we know from past experiences that we will bounce back.
Its a game after all and you cant win everything. no player goes out there to waste his time to shit on the pitch.Everyone wants to do well but sometimes things dont go your way.
IF you feel Fergie should spend and buy players for ridiculous prices,whats the differenced between us and the rentboys,Madrid and shitty .yhats why we have most fan following around the world and are unoque compared to all these clubs.
Afternoon all, Still feeling sick after last night, but this will be the kick in the arse that we need. We traditionally start off slow anyway, so i’m not too fussed.
But…
I still think we lack that creative player who can pull a pass out of nothing and change a game. I see Wesley Sneijder is possibly going to Inter, why cant we go in for him? He is a proven player and has that little spark that our midfielders lack (Barring Paul Scholes) At least with Carrick, Fletcher, Ando and Hargo backing him up he can have that free role in Midfield.
Anyone agree?
It was really bad seing the team yesterday. You saw no wining spirit, and lack of decision. We really need a playmaker. We used to build the team around Ronaldo, and now that he’s gone we feel the need to adapt again. Don’t get me wrong, we will. But the thing is that Scholes is no more what he used to be, and Giggs is not a magician.
We could get guys like Manuel Fernandez ou David Silva. Even Sneijder, the guy is basically being thrown off Madrid, and top class. Could do well here.
apparently, we had 9 Shots on target, and 9 Shots off target. I don;t remember too many shot on target, nothing that made the keeper make a save (other than the pen!) We knew it’d be a tough season, so we’ll see in May how this affects us.
this is a bit too gracious,dont you think?
http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item309450/Coyle:-United-will-still-win-title/
@Dakota: I think Coyle wants to make his win seem bigger than it was. Let him enjoy his moment. Reading and Newcastle also got early points from us and look where they are now.
@Dakota
Yes funny that, all small managers that beat us always sey that! Its just they are too happy to win
What a bunch of mugs some of you are!
Questioning Carricks class when we have won trophies ever since hes been here, or was it a complete fucking fluke. Fucking idiots.
Trust in Fergie as we always do, he knows fucking more than you wanky lot. Stop moaning and get behind the team, it was a bad performance but thats life.
I could go on forever about some of the things people say but the Carrick comments are the pick of the bunch.
Having a bad start has always been a good omen for us!!!!
@Gotta hate tiny tears? Without sounding like all of the above, mate, but Seriously, don’t leave, mate. To be fair, I’ve read the blog only for the last couple of months, but I can say that it’s obvious that you and Emily, are not just popular but part of the mainstream group on here, that us newcomers listen to and respect. What was said sucks and if I could I’d kill the tools for you, but sadly footy brings the worst out in people. I don’t get where all the insults are from, but people just go onto rival sites ‘cos they are “dicks by nature”. You, Sir, are definitely not a “dick by nature”. You love united, you love your kid, and that’s makes you a decent guy. Listen to the good comments. And ignore the tossers. They’re not worth it!
Losing to Burnley at Burnley is no shame. Remember the same team accounted for Arsenal, Fulham & Chelsea last year in cup competitions.
Something else that maybe we should question. I don’t believe that the current bunch are bad players. But how hungry are they anymore? It’s been 3 years filled with trophies, so it’s only natural for the players who have been a part of them to get complacent. It happened to the 01-02 team after it captured 3 titles in a row
I still do not understand why Owen or Rooney just did not step up and take the penalty. Same thing as in community shield where Evra was taking a penalty before Rooney or Owen. The moment that penalty was saved, I had a bad feeling about the match. And Wes Brown was torn to shreds yesterday. Safe to say he can now only be used as right back.
Yesterday, I couldn’t feel the urgency that I felt when United were losing last year. It felt as though only Rooney and Giggsy were playing with any sort of urgency yesterday. Valencia was literally ambling along and was smiling.
We seem to have an amazing squad. Without a doubt we have the best squad in the league. But we do not have the best 11. Yesterday what showed was that with Ronaldo there were at any point, 3 proven goalscorers in the side with the two strikers. On the other hand, against Burnley, they played anrrow and blocked out the strikers. The THIRD HEAT was missing.
Owen and Berba look very nervous. The pressure of playing for United is getting to them i think. I have no problems with Carrick taking the penalty – his penalties beforehand have all been quality – it was a good save. The problem is now that our players just aren’t that good. Ferguson has sacrificed a great first 11 for a great squad, which will mean we are likely to get to the 1/4 final of the champions league, semis of the FA and Carling Cup, and top 4 of the league, but unlikely to win anything.
Of our team last night, only Evra, Carrick and Rooney are anything like world class players at their peak
There are a lot of comments on here. I have been reading through most of them before commenting myself.
Firstly, in my eyes it is blatantly obvious we need to sign a player how can unlock teams. And if we fail to get a result on Saturday, that player (whoever that may be) will be targeted.
Last night was the first time in a long time when watching United i genuinly thought we wouldn’t score. We passed quite well, and couldn’t really complain about the defence but it says an awful lot that the best player in a United shirt was Giggs. Also, where has Macheda been? SAF spent most of the pre-season talking him up saying he is our fourth striker. So far he hasn’t even figured on the bench. That speaks volumes in my oppinion.
It’s simple, if SAF doesn’t feel Macheda is up to the job, we need to bring in someone who is, based on that, that is why I think we will sign someone.
In terms of players performances. We are always weaker in the first month or two of the season, but that said, Carrick needs to up his game (he is a worry) and Anderson has to kick on this season or he is gone, although he is wasted on the left. Park is an important player for us, although he lacks the creative spark to unlock the stubborn defences he makes up for that in industry, which makes him an important asset against the top sides. As for Owen? He will start scoring, there is no question of that. Already he gets into positions none of our other players can.
Yes we lost to Burnley, but we have also lost to Wolves, Norwich, Bolton at home. The defeat isn’t the problem, the manner of the defeat is. A United who doesn’t look like scoring is worrying. Very worrying.
Burnley, and especially their keeper, had a good night and that is all. The game exposed some of the weaknesses of our players and tactics but nothing that we didn’t already know for crying out loud.
And come on, Carrick has been a reliable penalty taker in shootouts and he has never disappointed before. So it was logical of him to step up in the post-Ronnie game. He scored in the shield game. And he missed last night. It happens. He has his flaws but he’s done good so cut him some slack.
As far as attacking is concerned I’d much rather prefer seeing Park as an AM (with Giggs, Fletcher and Valencia completing the midfield). Park & Giggs can move to the flanks IF necessary but Evra (bless him) covers it most of the time. So during attacking play I’d rather see Evra and Valencia on the wings, Park, Rooney & Berba in the box and Giggs & Fletcher just outside.
There’s no need to buy anyone. There’s enough talent in the squad. And FFS please get off their backs, entitlement to opinions aside.
costas
good point about the hunger of the players.. anderson in particular was sauntering around last night.. i was at the game and there was serious mumblings from the crowd about him..
alex craig
carrick is a patsy… he needs a midfielder with authority next him… he is an ok player not united class.. one good game in ten
park is a marketing tool
From time to time Fergie gets the tactics completely wrong, last nights was one of those times. It will happen from time to time, hopefully any further tactical problems don’t happen in the vital games that will come
As Gudjohnsen said against these weaker sides you need pace on the wings to to stretch them. Park is a great player who does a great job for us but he isn’t suited for these games as his asset is his workrate. We needed pace and creativity so we needed Valencia on the right.
The left is a problem, Tosic was playing the night before so wasn’t an option and i’m guessing Nani’s injury was a factor for him not being involved. Anderson should never have been played there though, Giggs would have made more sense although he isn’t really a threat on the wing in the way he used to be. With Evra being more attacking than O’Shea perhaps Park on the left all along would have been better for the first half. I would have started Rooney and Berba uptop and if we then needed more creativity out wide I would have at half time switched Rooney to the left (Against these weaker sides that sit back when we don’t have Nani available he can do a great job there, obviously not first choice though) and got Owen and Berba uptop.
CM I would have gone for Carrick and Anderson personally with Giggs replacing Anderson for the last 15-20mins. I would have also not played Oshea, would have gone for Fabio to provide the pace going forward
If Ando is already resting on his laurels after one good season, then obviously something is wrong at the club. For now, i will close my mouth and wait to see what happens. Wait for our defenders to come back, Nani to hopefully return against Wigan and for Owen to get match practice. By the end of December we will know where this team is headed.
@joero
Macheda was involved in the Lancashire Senior Cup the night before which was probally why he wasn’t in the squad
A marketing tool Park may be, but at a cost of £4 million, he has been a bargain. He is one of the only Asian players playing at the top of the european game and that gives us an edge over the other clubs. Sadly, this is a huge part of the game now, and we need all the revenue we can get, with the burden of £700 million debts weighing us down thanks to those yanks. We should keep him, he isnt a bad player.
Also, when we lost to Bolton at home, and Norwich and Wolves away, we finished 3rd in each of those seasons – 01/02, 04/05, 03/04. We some silly games in 2003 as well but back then we were strong enough to catch the other teams up in the second half of the season. Our midfield then was Beckham-Kean-Scholes-Giggs, all world class players at their peak-(ish). Now we have Valencia-Fletcher-Carrick-Nani, four good players but not great.
@ Wakey
Yes, indeed and he scored the winner. But as a 4th choice striker you would have thought he would have been called up – especially in games against two of the weaker sides in the league.
Off Topic
Wayne Rooney!
Is a fantastic tallent, and for me Englands Shining light. For us i think our season & next season will depend mostly on how Rooney Channels His Passion.
So far for me when the chips are down or its a high pressure match Rooney mostly looses focus. You cant question his passion but maybe he hasnt learnt to stay as composed as he should.
You usually can tell in matches when he has lost it.. He will start hounding all around the pitch.. A decision doesnt go his way he slaps his legs and usually fires a verbal asult on the ref! i feel when he is in this state he is by far less effective… Keane on the other hand thrived on this kind of Passion, he often improved! Got more determind…But for me Rooney in this state makes life easier for the other team!
For me if rooney learnt to control his passion he would be more effective in the bigger games. he would be more composed
His passing would be better.
He would be playing further up the pitch and not hounding back as much.
His shooting would be more clinical & his conversion rate higher.
Sometimes though maybe too much is heaped on his shoulders and i forget he is only 22 or 23..
When watching a match that United are struggling in, you can tell Rooney is getting frustrated and you can see it coming when he launches into a bad tackle – he was lucky he didn’t make contact with that Burnley play with his foot last night or we would have been without our best player for 3 matches.
Lads,
have been trolling through the previous posts and can understand some members frustration.
Last night was all doom and gloom it was unreal.
& Today like @Gary Said Berbatov is shite….
Hang on mate.. Do you not appreciate that last season he was played out of Position??? Do you not appreciate that maybe he wasnt suited to the Formation & Tactics?……..I understood the tactics last season to be geared up all for ronaldo… Give ronaldo space and ability to cause damage anywhere on the pitch!.. Rooney and Berbatov both suffered! Berbatov more because his team mates havent learnt his style of play!
What i would really like is for people to give constructive critisism or opinion..Take michael owen & Rooney.. I can gaurentee if both had 2 chances of simular quality and both missed. Owen would be slated and nothing mentioned of Rooney!….
What i fail to remember is that some members on here are just on a wind up! Maybe i get dragged in i dont know!…
Loosing to burnly and seeing the level of performance (which wasnt our normaly level) was depressing!
What was more depressing was the Garbage i read on here last night!
why does everyone have to bring up where people are from? are you a bigger united supporter because you’re from manchester and i’m not? i hate hearing people use that as an insult. it means nothing. get over it.
it is too early to pass judgment two games into the season. some of the people making comments on here should be ashamed of themselves. wishing death upon players? you sound like a spoiled child.
i think the main issue is sir alex made a mistake in his team selection. it is becoming more and more apparent that fletcher is the engine in our midfield. sir alex needs to find a pairing that works and consistently use it, rotating the midfielders constantly never allows them to find a rhythm together. i also think berba should have started over owen and valencia over park. park is not useless, but should only be used for teams that have an attacking threat down the wing. berba’s passing and vision would have greatly helped us unlock burnley. i’m not saying i know more than sir alex, but even he gets it wrong sometimes, and i think last night is evidence of that. also, is everyone forgetting that we had a penalty saved and their keeper stood on his head the entire match? jeez- relax.
What other thing i have noticed is that some people just come out of the woodwork after games!
They stay very quiet before games!!! or they list their favourite 11 forgetting that the same 11 cant start every week!
Most question the team selection.. Why was Owen on Last night Instead of Berbatov…. Why was Valencia on the Bench? Why was park on… Why was anderson and carrick both on they are too simular….My Answer…… TEAM ROTATION!..Fergies Trying to keep fresh legs for the whole season!….
@ James – totally right, i thought he was going to sent off.
*going to get
@JimJones
find your own looserpool or shity blog and post there
@JimJones
Obvious your not a real fan… C yoU Next Tuesday!
36 games left to win the premiership
No panic stations yet red devils…
Let Burnley enjoy their deserved win
And let Utd learn from their mistakes
It was just one game and it wasn’t to be
Next…
For a start Man Utd are still going to win the Premier League. I remember when we lost at West Ham that first season we took the title back from Chelsea. Nobody thought we’d lose to a team that was waist deep in the relegation dogfight. We lost…abjectly and the ne’sayers all tipped Chelsea for the title at the time but what ultimately happened? One match means nothing.
Ronaldo, Ronaldo. Who cares about Ronaldo? Had Ronaldo been on the pitch last night he would’ve just moaned, thrown his arms about. What we needed last night was not Cristiano Ronaldo it was Darren Fletcher.
Just look at this video from 40 seconds in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qdo8nyGaHA. Fletch organises everything we do defensively, assigns duties to players, provides leadership, shows excellent positioning and distributes the ball brilliantly (all highlighted by Alan Hansen no less!).
Without him on the pitch we increasingly look lost, leaderless and lack energy and drive in midfield. The problem I see is that when we go behind we have nobody in our side who decides to do a Keano=Take the game by the scruff of the neck and use their effort and endevour to encourage/inspire a fightback.
There was no conviction in United’s play yesterday. No real belief. Everyone wanted that touch too much, nobody was willing to gamble or take the lead. We went behind and you knew we wouldn’t score. Fletch is the one player we got who when things get tough will go in hard, get the ball, go forward and try to bring us to life. When he isn’t there…well we saw it in Rome, we saw it last night. We’ve got no fighting spirit anymore and for someone who grew up with the team of Schmeichel, Bruce, Pallister, Keane, Ince, Hughes and Cantona I find that the most disheartening thing to come out of last night was to see how limply we responded to going behind.
Spirit is something even £80m cannot buy…
It was a bad day..Poor planning.
This team lacked everything that Man Utd is all about. I should think this was one of the best opportunities to get the youngsters involved. What’s kiko upto. I fully understand him being eased into action to relieve pressure but we needed him to do the job the striker ‘patterson’ was doing to our defenders.
We needed players to bully Burnley and I am sure youg players like Fabio,Kiko, Gibson and even Welbeck are better at that than Park and Anderson was yesterday. we needed the speed of Nani. The midfield was flat like flat sparkling drink. The only player who did a good job was Giggs centrally.
Why the hell did Park play 90 mins, I’ll always wonder. He was useless and I am normally someone who defends him from critics. I think Owen should have stayed on the field and Park off when Berba came in.
Fergie oh Fergie..Hope this wakes you up. We cannot play without width in a 4-4-2
@Trevor: I have to disagree with you about the rotation. You can’t rotate this early in the season. Players still need games. They should be playing and not getting rested. The team has to gel together and the only way that’s going to happen is if we have a core of 6-7 players that will play week in week out.
Fuck me, we have lost a game of football and guess what we will loose more this season we were poor but it was one of those days, and if Carrick had scored things could have been different.
JimJones, what sort of human being has a pop at a mans four year old?
@Costas
yes i agree to an extent, although in all honest the team we put out yesterday against burnley there was no real reason we shouldnt have won.
For me a Midfield of Anderson – Park – Carrick & Giggs should be good enough to unlock Burnelys Defence!
Maybe fergie took the view that this was good enough and was giving others a game to get them super sharp for the Big Games coming up
It certainly is a big month ahead!
United4eva, couldn’t agree more mate ..I don’t subscribe to this gloom and doom theory so early in the season….
truthfully, the only reason people from outside manc support united is because they are a very successful team, even considering this, i find it kind of odd…..i personally could never support a team from another part of the country/world but that’s just me i guess……..how can you possibly understand or associate yourself with the context of our rivalries with CITEH and the dippers….i think it’s ingrained in the psyche of red Mancunians….i’m in two minds about it really….to be honest it annoys me when i hear southern accents around the north stand where my seat is……
Off topic, but interesting and different perspective on professional football. Gives me a glimmer of hope that the modern game hasn’t completely immersed itself in Money, Sky Sports and WAGs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/i/ipswich_town/8211586.stm
Shane Supple, Respect. Good luck to you.
@Giuseppe Rossi : I think there is always a back story to why a foreigner would support United. For example mine is that i started following the club while growing up in England etc etc. Would i like to know more about what the United-City and United-Liverpool rivalries are all about? Of course. But i can’t change my nature. I won’t say that i love the club more than someone from Manchester. As someone said from above, global support is one of the reasons the team is as big as it is. The funny thing is that this doesn’t mean that the club doesn’t have the most fans in Manchester as our bitter rivals are quick to suggest.
Primordial Dwarfs HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
classic!!!
anyways..If you don’t rate Michael Carrick as one of our top players you are very blind, His vision is brilliant and his reading of the game adds a new dimension to the midfield. He is only getting better too..
United will win it again this season thanks to a small glitch in Chelsea’s
season. THE AFRICAN CUP OF NATIONS.
They lose 4 of their best players and wont be nearly as effective without them…Always look on the bright side of life!
lol@ Big Phil
How to confuse an Irish man.
Give him a spade and a shovel and tell him to take a pick!
@mikekelly12
With regards to the 80mil, there is no way fergie would stand for that! The moment that happens is the moment Ferie retires….
I would bet my life on it!!
we was all over them but didnt take our chances..vidic should be back for the weekend? and nani and flecther? this gooooooooo…..20 nill
real match where not having ronaldo hurt us, we need another matchwinner for tough games like that, van der vaart goin for 10 million? quality player just look at his vids on youtube, dont care what fergie says theres no way our squad is strong enough after losing the best player in the world we need a quality signing like villa, silva, vdv, just a real crowd pleaser and game winner when the shit hits the fan
Regarding Footbal…
Can’t wait till the next game, I wish it was today, the week passes so slowly after a defeat!
Why is the Irish Support of Liverpool and United so Massive?
Because in the years gone by when Air Travel was only for the super rich or once in a life time the Boats went from Belfast to Liverpool cheaply.
It was afordable to the common person to go to matches..
The irish league is a day out but not what you could call a good level of football. Sorry if i offend but thats my opinion!
Big football games used to be the FaCup… Europe.. used to be the odd match on telly….
My uncles watched the big matches and all became united fans… All traveled ont he boat to matches. My uncle moved to Manchester so he could go to every match & did till retirment age.
The banter is good between the 2 and i only wish i was back at school age now that the tide has turned.. I got massive abuse at 26 years and counting….
@Tony Starks
Yeah, im just preying for a win.. or a good performance..We need it!!
And please please please goals for berbatov & owen…
fooart9
do not go there, oh yes I would like an attacking lineup with ballond winners than having park giggs and owen in our lineup and eys I know owen was a former european player of the year. berbatov owen carrick anderson park are useless. nani and valencia are not united standard players it is that simple. berbatov will not change in my view the blind united fans who come on here blasting me who was one fan said to me if you do not think berbatov is class you do not know football well that is a load of crap. united need in my view 4 players in my view. we need 2 world class CM players. united need a world class wide player and united need a world class striker to go alongside rooney. berbatov does not suit rooney, owen has no talents with the ball, carrick anderson hargreaves have got to go.
What is the deal with Owen? He is starting for united when i thought he would be only making off the bench appearance? With him starting and Berba on the bench i am not sure how this is helpling the youngsters. Berba needs time and him being dropped for Owen is not helping.
Fergie needs to stop over-rotating (is that a word?) the squad especially the midfield.
Carrick should only be allowed to start alongside a Fletcher. Same goes for Anderson, and Giggs.
Park needs to stop playing on the wing. He is not that fast cant beat the fullbacks and cant cross. So having him there is just plain stupid. Yes he does track back but all the other aspects of his game needs improving.
We need all three points against Wigan, and a good performance from the team.
@Sketch
My view is tha Owen needs confidence, he needs a goal!
If fergie doesnt get a goal from owen in 2 months then he certainly wont return 15 goals.
For me its as simple as this, if we can get owens confidence levels up and scoring goals his 15 goals might just win us the league!
Without them i doubt were going to, if i had to be honest…
trevor not its not, when non of these players offers any kind of goal threat what so ever.
carrick does not influence games he cant dominate games.
anderson is not in scholes league. he has no vision, he has awful ball control at times, he has no goals in him.
park he is by a universal mile the worst wide player in europe. he does everything wrong on what a wide player should do, and his only talent is running around like a headless chicken.
giggs well many have said this he almost past it.
owen is the same he is past is sell by date, he cant even score in a man utd shirt.
people also says that well united won 3 titles in a row, fergie has put togther since summer of 2005 a collection of mediocre players to play around to world class forwards in rooney and ronaldo. fergie has wasted a fortune on players in my view when there were better options out there.
he has wasted money on carrick hargreaves anderson nani tosic park berbatov tevez, at the time he could have snapped up mascherano palacios yaya toure ribery torres scneider the list is endless. he also thought hey cech was too young well that was poor judgement.
I know but how about we just start with our FIRST two choice strikers and see how that goes. Owen can play against the ‘lesser’ teams at OT! The display yesterday was very depressing. Carrick was shit but wishing death ect on him is going over the top. Anderson has not improved he is actually going backwards. He used to run tackle and pass the ball well before. Now all he seems to do is pass the ball to the other team and hardly ever puts in a tackle. He doesnt run. And people call Berba lazy. If Carrick and Anderson play this badly again. I think Fergie should drop both players for Gibson whom has impressed me so far. Why have both Possebon and Cleverly sent on loan? When we clearly lack energy, inspiration and goals?
i think we need to keep Kiko in the subs bench for away games.
Scott is having a busy day at the office deleting the unwanted comments flying around today. we hope GHTT returns back soon.
I really needed this facts.
Cheers!
@manutdchampions2008
I dont think your really giving them a chance to be honest….You see owen for the equivilant of 1 full game and your able to judge that he is past it… Cant even score in a united shirt.. erm
Little rash! Maybe last nights defeat is still raw!
Park – Worst winger in Europe… Erm I doubt that!
Anderson – Has no goals in him? I doubt that also, what he really lacks is confidence!
Giggs – almost past it! Will do a job and will have an effect on our season! Real legend for ever!
Carrick – No influence? There have been games last season where carrick was awsome!……Many many united fans were singing his praises.
What it all boils down to is when things go wrong it always is doom and gloom… It all will be forgotten in the next couple of games!….
But its your opinion, i resepect it but certainly dont agree with it!
I leave the country for a few days and come back to this mess! I’ve blocked one poster and deleted a shit load of posts. I’ve e-mailed GHTT and explained that whilst I don’t agree with people having a go at his kid, it’s something you open yourself up to if you post videos of your kid on the internet.
This will be the last comment on the matter. On topic comments are welcomed, off topic comments will be deleted.
@manutdchampions2008
Better players?… It always easiest looking back in hindsight!
In My opinion Fergie is a god!!……. You count the number of Trophies we have won in the last 10 years.
You could the trophies liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Barcelona, Real Madrid have won and compare.
If you think then that fergie has made mistakes, then come back to me and i will listen!…..
@Scott the Red
Thats fair..
@manutdchampions2008 – “he has wasted money on carrick hargreaves anderson nani tosic park berbatov tevez”
I don’t agree with putting Park, carrick, hargreaves and berbatov in as “mediocre players”. Hargreaves is as good as Mascherano or Palacios when fit, Carrick when playing beside a player that will do the dirty work is quality – even if he hasn’t shown it recently. Berbatov is again a top class player, how many times does it need to be said that he had the most open play assists in the league last year? Though I do agree the Rooney-Berba partnership is leaving a lot to be desired so far. Park, while not a world beater only cost around £4m, and for that price he’s an absolute bargain. i also believe Nani will prove his worth this season – he’s always had the talent, it’s been his attitude in the past that’s let him down.
As for Anderson, I’m starting to wonder if the song about him being “better than kleberson” was a bit premature…
A big rant from me? Ha-ha! Funnily enough, I was in Alderley Edge today getting some food and guess who walks past me? A certain penalty taker. I tried not to smile, but failed. Hey, he looked as laid-back ambling along as ever, so it’s not like United’s players are worried about yesterday, so why should we be? Anyway, I decided not to give him grief for the game. I did feel however a bit of a tit! 36 more wins and it’s ours, after all!
off topic -
The reason I like this blog is that although it gets heated, at times, and opinions differ, the view is worldwide, not just localised. Sometimes the view away from the UK press is more valuable than the same old “Rooney should have got a red”, “Rafa/fergie/wenger/mourinho/hughes is cracking up”, “ronaldo has gone, and now United will fall apart”, etc etc. i.e it’s nice to read American news ‘cos their strategic based articles and not just the usual English crap. It is why I used to love 442 magazine when it came out 15 years ago. now it’s just crap.
Anyway, the reasons I like this blog includes (sometimes) the negative comments which show A. how far United has come, and B. that sometimes we are arrogant, us united fans, we expect to win every game. Oh, and C. that opinions may differ but that doesn’t mean that their not relevant.
Football, is a beautiful game, sadly, some w@nkers on here just reduce it to dribble and childish retorts. The comments today are just bewildering. I feel sorry for GHTT and Scott, who has created a forum for educated opinions on footy, not parenting and where a person should be born. You can’t change your birthplace or family, you shouldn’t change your team, but you can change how you talk to others. Listen with respect, not just abuse people ‘cos their opinions differ.
lol Javac,you sound like my mum.
Just kidding mate,I agree 100% with what you said,both the on and off-topic things.
bigphil2003
I am sorry hargreaves is a waste of money, he was available on a free in 2005 and we decided to pay that transfer when his injury problems were all 2 see. Well the question you should ask yourself mascherano palacios are not injury prone. hargreaves is very overrated by many united fans if benitez bought hargreaves with his injury problems we would laugh our asses of at fat rafa. carrick is not good enough he has never been, when it comes to the crunch he is found out. berbatov forget stats is goals and performances is awful, and berbatov lacks drive and his goals record is woeful, can you see man of the match performance from berbatov no, he cost 30 million and he is worth about 10 million in my view, he is almost 30 and he is has inconsistent has a 19 year old forward. For me berbatov is like shevhenckho at Chelsea since berbatov has arrived united have never been the same. Ronaldo hated playing alongside berbatov and rooney I think finhds him frustrating to play with. Park is has got as much talent has djemba x 2 and I call him ji sung crap.
come on the reds
The four players who will win us the league!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I4uY8BTfd8
manutdchampions2008 – Some good points raised, however, show me a starting eleven in the top leagues of football that every fan agrees on? There isn’t one. Real have spent £300 million on their starting team over the last 3-5 years yet they still have a weak spot. (Both fullbacks and DM spot. Plus they have no “out and out goalscorer either just like us).
Fletcher is growing more and more. I don’t doubt Fletcher. Carrick frustrates me so much. He is not, and never will be a tackler. Don’t look to him for that, look at him as our playmaker. On form, the deep-lying playmaker is lethal in a counter-attacking team with pace. I though about this this afternoon, and I admit I was slightly wrong for knocking him yesterday. Sometimes, I want more from him, but yesterday, HE DID STEP UP. He took the penalty. Just like Ruud, Ronaldo, Irwin etc, he took the pen. I assume that he will keep taking them and he will score more than he misses. We need time to gel. it’ll happen by May, when we take the honours and plaudits, as usual.
As for Park, he works tirelessly, just like Tevez. we payed 4 mill which we made back and then some, and not tevez’s 25mill. Park and Evra normally play well on the left, but Evra ran the show BECAUSE Park pulls the wingback in field allowing the overlap. Don’t overlook the small parts of football. Park plays percentages, he isn’t a star but a tactical team player.
javac
real have despite spending a kings ransom and potientally they have sorted out the areas the only weak link in madrids team is LB. but CB and RB they are well covered and in CM and attack they are far superior to united. benzama ronaldo kaka robben all have a devestating goal threat about them. you look at united is berbatov valencia owen nani park rooney giggs does that lot except for rooney because he is class but does the rest put the fear of god into teams not a chance.
2 game and some of us already gave a season review on a team and individual performance…wow,u all lot should be soccer pundit instead…
this is the transitional period…PATIENT ur glory hunter…it just two games…
u saw Arsenal game against laughable Everton defence and u say they are better now…
remember this space when we met Arsenal..we will show Arsenal what are Manchester United made of…
here goes manutdslagger2009, talking about failed signings. it’s very easy to say now that we missed out on a lot of players. you are pointing out the painfully obvious and hindsight is always 20/20. you’re not bringing up anything new- your same old views, slagging off the entire team. go support real if you have such a hard-on over their attack.
manutdchampions2008 – Yes, you’re right, Ronaldo + kaka have a devastating goal threat about them. We don’t have that kind of cash to start with. Robben was naff at Chelsea and real. I just don’t fear him at all. Benzema, is nothing but potential, just like Nani and Valencia, and again, I don’t fear him either. He had one good shot against United. Valencia creamed United every-time at Wigan. The grass is always greener for the negative fans.
You look at united – Berbatov and Owen will score, Owen was poor/unlucky in the two games he played. Comm sheild and 1st game when he came on as sub, everyone was raving at how he opened the defence up with his runs. Yet, now we lose and he is back to being “that Liverpool shite”. We know you hate Park, so stop bringing that up. Nani has started well and looks promising as does Valencia (yet he strayed off the wing alot yesterday…) Rooney and Giggs are their usual brilliant and consistent. Real would have had both if they could have. Reputations are earned and not created overnight. Valencia will do what Ronaldo has done.
I hope we see a little more of Tosic, better than playing Ando on the wings! If our midfield will be dependent on the resurrection of Hargo, I think the winter market is when Fergie will decide…
Seriously, i can;t help but laugh; we lose one game and the world falls apart! I wonder what the negative fans view is of the Banking crisis and the credit crunch? Maybe, that’s what it is, they’re all broke, suicidal bankers?
Some of the things that have been said beggars belief. Someone even suggested that if Cristiano Ronaldo had been playing he wouldn’t be on the losing side. Say what??? Have people got short memories. i remember Cristiano being on the losing side a number of times plus playing like (insert bad word).
. Come on United!
Anyways, I won’t and never will press the panick botton because I am old enough to have experience less than perfect starts of the season, even though I call myself princess
sanj
just wake up seriously wake up and just realise this team is on the decline. the midfield attack is mediocre at best, you can put your head in the sand but I can see the flaws in this team. berbatov owen are at times are a joke they are not up to standards. to expect this team to win anything selling the world european player of the year and not signing anyone with quality really are blind. why am I being a critic of the team because the midfield and attack are awful, and you know what sanj go look at other posts who have said the same thing has me. real madrid have a better squad than united that is a fact wake up your blind has a bat idiot.
Difference this time is no special talent like CR or Tevez to repair the damage of early season form or change individual games.
i really think we need one more cm and a striker! this midfield looks weak .. and the unpredictability we had with ronaldo is missing. the fear he induced just isnt there.. and honestly, rooney isnt able to do that to other teams.. scholsey and giggsy arent the same anymore .. we need to get a midfielder.. waiting for hargo might be too late..
@manutdchampions2008
go support real madrid instead..why bother supporting Manchester United…
Since Busby Babes era…this club is always about developing and bounce back from hard period…
this club never made in one transfer period…
this club also never fail to produce heart stopping moment and magical moment for their fan…
we lost some we win some…i know i enjoy it…a lot of faithful fan enjoy it..(maybe not old trafford season ticket holder)
if u cannot stand average player developing in the team…go and support real or maybe citeh instead…we more than happy to get rid a fan like u…
and i promise u…if real win every game in la liga this season…i am going to RESPECT ur oppinion at least…
I must say that that result was very ‘telling’.I strongly feel united has reached a peak and we are on the decline.it hurts to say this but i’m not too optimistic about our chances this season.Just check this out 06/07,we played soooooo well and still managed to score many goals from almost all the guys,07/08,quality of play dropped a bit but still scored loads of goals,last season,quality of play nose-dived and we struggled to win matches leaving them for the dead at times.Unfortunately nobody seem to notice this ‘cos trophies kept rolling in.We need to regroup.unfortunately,no more buy-in to the club this year.
Everybody just relax. We are going to win the league not because we are good but because the other teams are total shite. The big question is with the midfield we (do not) have can we win the CL and take that little twat Iniesta along with the Messi midget to the cleaners? That is the real challenge of 2009-2010.
That night in Rome was a big blow to the confidence. You can feel it in the squad since May they are not the same.
Sorry guys but Tevez is not a special talent. Ronaldo is. But Tevez, please.
fooart
its fans like you that I cant stand, go support real madrid what the hell are you on about. its called opinions heard of that I do not think so. if it was up to you and this was your site no other fan can say anything negative about the team. you would propably delete negative comments. like it or not madrid have a better pool of players it is that simple. you know what I know season ticket holders of 40 years and go and hear their comments I am much younger then them but they hold no punches on the state of the midfield and attack, you think my comments are negative they are worse.
manutdslagger2009, “wake up your blind has a bat idiot.” learn how to spell, learn how to use punctuation, and learn how to convey a comprehendible message, you poor cretin. how old are you? 14? have you not learned grammar yet? are you posting on here instead of going to elementary school? it sure sounds like it.
BREAKING NEWS: DAVID GILL AND SIR ALEX FERGUSON SACKED, BOTH JOBS OFFERED TO THE LEGENDARY MANUTDSLAGGER2009, WHO CLEARLY HAS MORE EXPERIENCE THAN BOTH GILL AND FERGUSON COMBINED. SLAGGER IS NOTORIOUS FOR HIS ABILITY TO SPOT FLAWS IN TEAMS AFTER TWO GAMES AS WELL AS SEE THE FUTURE. LEGEND HAS IT THAT HE EVEN SIGNS PLAYERS BEFORE THEY ARE BORN.
@manutdchampions2008
sorry mate
ur lack of patient and ur slating of our average player that annoyed me..
ronaldo did not perform on semi and final (despite scoring first goal) the year we won champ league…
ji sung neutralise iniesta and xavi threat on that year semi…
last season fletcher outperform the like of fabregas…mascherano…in the champ league…
true..carrick anderson nani have been dissappointing but gave them time…some player need time to be the best…not everyone born to be messi… until worldcup 98 have u heard the man called zidane…
zola didnt make into an Italy team…a shite player???
cantona didnt make into france team is he a shite player??
he too beginning to show his class when he are in his late peak thankfully in United shirt…
but hopefully we can get one or two player to shine early like messi…
high hope for Ljajic and Macheda maybe Petrucci…and that 14 year old kid that we bought last year…
then again sorry mate…no hard feeling
i too hoping for fantasy team kaka,messi,ramos,akinfeev,aguero,lahm,silva, and also that ladyboy torres an arshavin to wear our shirt but…reality world with inflated transfer fee…and overpriced salary…nope we have to produce the star our own if we want a star…
at least anderson and nani doing well in my PES master league…haha
@ COSTAS
You are absolutely right mate. it’s them understanding how to play together without CR7 and to a lesser extent Tevez. but a lot of players really need to step up their game. the only ones who in my opinion are playing to a high standard (8 out of 10s) is Fletcher, Evra and Rooney.
i would give Nani and Berbatov 7/10. and the rest under 5.
Fucking hell, relax.
Perhaps clubs should consider loaning their fans out like they do their players, let some of you experience real turmoil.
Be slightly more humble with your expecations. What if didn’t win the league? Big fucking deal. We’d come back stronger from it. How many English clubs have won four titles in a row? None. Be grateful that we even have a very real chance of doing it.
Lets cut the bullshit attitude that is beginning to border on arrogance – “It’s Burnley” – and? They played okay, they gave us a game. Shit happens. Move on.
I’m not freaking out about United’s start just yet but I do have many concerns.
First, in midfield. We are lacking a creative spark than can drive and create our attack. Giggs is the first choice for this roll and he does it quite well but I’d like to see someone with a little more pace (perhaps Rafael Van der Vaart? we could get him on the cheap)
What continues to annoy me the most is SAF’s insistence on playing Anderson. In my oppinion he is absolutely useless…he is not a strong tackler, he constantly gives the ball away, and when he’s anywhere near the goal he looses composure and fires it away. He’d be the first one to cut for me…I’d much rather take Gibson.
On the flanks it’s a similar story. Without Ronaldo our wide game suddenly lacks creativity and ideas. I believe Nani(when healthy) could prove to be a valuable contributor to the team…I just hope he gets a chance. He’s got skill, pace, and a cannon of a shot…..much better than Valencia. Valencia looked terrified last night. He didn’t run at anyone and made a pile of poor crosses…I’d love to see Arjen Robben in a United shirt he’s got the flair that we are in desperate need of
sanj you know I am right when you start looking at my writing you have not anything to defend this useless lot. If I wanted to get my spelling right I would have, do I care no. anyone with half a brain can see how average this united team is, any team fielding a player half the age of 30 in giggs, the headless Chicken Park and owen who is now past his sell by date. messi was showing signs of genius at 16 years old. And get real those players you mentioned will never ever be in messis league it’s that simple. I keep hearing the same rubbish a phew years ago and all these players have left rossi an example. sanj this team will be pulled apart by the best like Barcelona and real Madrid, the midfield is awful it is a fact. Carrick anderson park berbatov owen are not good enough, giggs and scholes are almost past their sell by date. welbeck and macheda are unproven Valencia and nani are not top class wide players. ronaldo rooney and the defence papers over the cracks without ronaldo its plain to see how average the team is. If you think united can win the league after losing ronaldo then you are blinkered
anyone with half a brain (like you) can see the team is in decline. anyone with a full brain (like me) can see you are overreacting. “if you think united can win the league after losing ronaldo then you are blinkered.” that is the biggest load of sh*te you have ever spewed on this site and that is saying a lot considering all your posts are filled with negativity and nonsense. keep running your mouth, when the team finally gets it going and starts winning, you will be curiously missing from this site. then when united hit a rough patch, you’ll be back with another name (micheal–>manutdchampions2008–>?) and continue to post nonsense. i’ve realized there is no point in even arguing with you so i’m done. after all the things you’ve said, i don’t even understand why you bother ‘supporting’ united. anyway, i’ll just go ‘put my head in the sand’ because you’re right. let me know if you want me to rewrite this as one long run-on sentence sans (that means ‘without’ in french) punctuation so you can understand.
sanj this team will finish 3rd or 4th, its an average bunch of players in midfield and attack. and unless you can realise the team is on a decline and the lack of goals from the team. ronaldo papered over a lot of cracks and we are seeing it now. who ever this micheal is he must have said some home truths. berbatov is just like last year pretty poor and the same goes with other players. your the only one coming up with punctuation which shows how much of a snob you are.
Only snobs use punctuation? Are you retarded? Rhetorical question.
‘LEGEND HAS IT THAT HE EVEN SIGNS PLAYERS BEFORE THEY ARE BORN.’
What a classic line! I don’t agree with anyone but I like that line. Respect!
@KVN: Exactly. And as i said ealier, maybe these players are not hungry anymore. I think that once their egos are bruised enough they will be. Carrick-Anderson was my favorite combo two years ago. They played together when we thumped Newcastle 6-0. Now they have played together in our worst defeats: With Liverpool, with Barcelona and with Burnley. I truly hope they get better as the season goes on.
sorryforusingpunctuationireallyamjustasnobyourrightmicheal.
“berbatov is just like last year pretty poor and the same goes with other players.”
-the new gaffer
TWO games into the season. i repeat, TWO games into the season.
@sanj: And we lost from a special goal. I have watched it many times and i still can’t believe how he got hold of that volley.Rooney would have been proud of it. Albeit, the defending leading up to the goal was shocking. I hope Vida will be ready for Wigan. I don’t know how match fit he is though.
sanj, you’re a knob.
I’m pretty sure you’d be naive enough to think that if we signed Joey Barton tomorrow we’d be mopping the floor with all of Europe just because he’d be a red.
Get some sense into you man. This team is NOT as good as it was with Ronaldo. Simple as that. If you think Berbatov can compete with the likes of Torres, Drogba, Benzema, and Eto then you are clearly not adept at evaluating footballers.
I have a hard time understanding all of these people on here that claim you are not a real fan because you are willing to look through your fanaticism and see the team for what it really is. I love United but I KNOW they need improvement
Jesus ……. there.s a lot of vitriol on here just lately….. everyone having a pop with whoever disagrees with their own point of view, even Scott having to delete some saddos who starting to diss one of the most popular posters on here (GHTT)…. even Keanesmagicchat giving it large by saying he wants to bum Carrick to death….. Fucking hell what would would have happened in the old days when we were dropped a division (by all teams, them cunts across the city), Alright, yes we were shit yesterday, SAF got his team selection wrong perhaps by design or even injury forced who knows, but some of the knowall posters on here seem to think that as we have lost a single game we are gonna be shit all season.
Not so…. we have too much class to be shit all season and we will come good….. SAF has to get his act together possibly buying and strengthning our side but HE will get it right and cream always floats to the top….just takes time thats all.
sanj like I said blind has a bat, what makes your knoledge of the game so awful is when you think berbatov is class. he is not in the same league has rooney torres ronaldo ribery kaka benzama messi etoo they are the cream of top class attacking players, who have the drive explosive strength that makes them deadly attackers. 2 games can tell a lot of things. A the team has no match winners bar rooney, B the midfield has no strength character and goals in them. C the strikers bar rooney are average or too inexperience it is that simple. RedDeviled Egg said all the things I have been saying. I bet if we said the likes of djemba keberson when they were here we said they are shit you would say the same thing. and you know what I do not care how its spelled its a forum its going to have awful spelling this is not an article smart ass.
Who is this ‘blind’ and does he ‘has a bat’?
This performance just showed how bad we need a creative midfielder and a pacy forward(should of went for Eto’o)
@RedDeviledEgg
joey barton? right. good try. this team is not as good as it was with ronaldo. i agree with that, when did i ever say we were better without him? i have said i think his piss poor attitude was having a negative impact on other players and that his departure COULD be a good thing for united. our attack has been built around him for the past 3 seasons. it will take time to adapt to a system that is not focused on ronaldo. to say i have said the team is better without the best player in the world is pure rubbish. you call me a knob, then put words in my mouth. f*ck off.
you compare berbatov to torres, drogba, torres, etc… when berbatov is a completely different player than all those players. every player you mentioned is a pure striker, berbatov is not. if you think berbatov is not valuable to our squad, then it is YOU who is not ‘adept at evaluating footballers.’ watch the following three videos that scott posted in a previous article and watch how many chances are either directly or indirectly created by berbatov. he was not bought to score goals, he was bought to help unlock defenses (which we were unable to do yesterday).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFqpXwgdHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5AFp8AXeo4
http://www.youtube.com/user/aizzuan#play/all/uploads-all/0/_5NWrG8_lK4
as scott said, ‘His goals, his flicks, his perfectly weighted paces, and his superb vision. It’s a nice reminder of the player we’ve got and in same cases, it’s fairly educational. Plenty of the great moves that ended with goals started with a moment of brilliance from Berbatov and quite a few of them had passed me by.’
i am not saying people are not real fans, but what is the point in coming on here and slagging off every single player in our squad, then saying we need to go spend some preposterous amount of money on a spanish player who does not want to play for united? who is to say silva will be ‘what we need?’ i just think it is annoying to hear people CONSTANTLY slagging the team. this is our squad, we must get behind them.
sanj,
Can you please remind me how many goals The Berba got last year? 14 in all competitions…for 30 mill we could’ve gotten a lot more.
Go to hell with your “he’s not an out and out striker” bs. why can’t we have that kind of pairing? Drogba-Anelka Messi-etoo-henry , benzema-raul ? These guys bag goals by the bunch. Berba’s got some class and his skill and ball control are not in question. We need a striker that can get goals.
I’m having a hard time seeing how we can be a better team without Ronaldo and his leaving “COULD be a good thing for united” Sure, we can claim it’s Rooney’s season and we can say Valencia (who scored less goals in a season than Ronaldo had in a month) can take his spot. But how?
I can’t see how losing the worlds best player and not replacing him with a proven performer will work.
If you can give me a line up from the players we have that can compete and beat the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea, Bayern, or Inter please do.
We need Hargreaves back in a bad way. He’ll be like a new signing when he returns
RedDeviled Egg – I struggle to understand how anyone who watched how Ronaldo behaved last season couldn’t possibly think that it COULD be a good thing that he’s gone. Do you think a character like that, stropping and throwing tantrums and insisting on always being centre of attention and wanting to leave is a good thing for the other players? You think it would have had a good effect on the morale this season if Ronaldo had been forced to stay? Ronaldo of 07-08 would be an asset to any club but you’re mad if you think he would have done much good for us this season, so desperate was he to leave.
If you’re going to judge Berbatov after one season, then more fool you.
Scott the Red look at veron, we give him another season and it did nt change. I do not see a vaste improvement in berbatov he is 29 close to 30 and he does not suit rooney united need a central striker, its time to stop hoping to link up players can work it cant. rooney and berbatov are not a right mix and the sooner berbatov is moved on the better. we should report spurs for ripping off united he is that bad.
I still do not understand why we did not buy Tim Cahill in the summer. Now it is obviously too late. That guy scores an enormous amount of goals form midfield. But he does not hog the limelight the way Gerrard does. Also proven in the BPL. Also defends!!!!
Cahill also a crock!! Also passing not good enough!! Also too old!!
Haha. I do take your point though. Goals needed from midfield. Unfortunately I cannot for the life of me see Fletcher, Carrick and Park scoring any more than 5 each over a season. I keep thinking Anderson’s suddenly going to start scoring like Bestie at Miss World contest but he just doesn’t do it. Scholes and Giggs can’t play regularly any more. I just think we are going to have to depend on Nani and Valencia and hope that Ljajic turns out to be a goalscoring prodigy who takes to the Premiership immediately. Doesn’t sound very hopeful does it? But United always find a way. That’s why I fucking love this club.
RedDeviled Egg
how many drogba score last season…?
how many torres score last season…? and how many assist…
compare to berbatov with the goal and assist last season this ‘lazy’ and ‘no class’ striker are much better than them…
so STFU !!!
This season if he does not score or assist as much as those two superb striker as u say…go on slag him if u want…
Give the ‘lazy’ striker a chance…It just two game…
‘Lazy’ ‘no class’ useless”old’ but eventually this guy have done a lot for this team to win the league treble last season…
what were u doing last season…crying for fergie to sign the argentine perhaps…has that help us achieve anything…
fooart,sanj,all the positive fans,ignore these idiots and just trust Sir Alex,the greatest manager of all time.
If Nani plays regularly I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think he’ll score 10-15 goals. He got 6 last year and barely played. Same with Carrick assuming he continues taking penalties (something that people often forget when counting Ronaldo’s goals from midfield). There’s 20-30 goals from two of our midfield players. I’d fancy Valencia to get a brave few as well despite his poor scoring record at Wigan.
hopefully ljajic can come great…and turn from talent to world class as soon a possible
Yet more silly kneejerk ‘fans’ of this club spitting on the players. Park is a great holding midfielder if he gets a few games, Nani is vastly improving so much that him and Hargo in mid would be devastating if they ever partner up – Valencia and Tosic are the future.
All these so called fans are putting Owen down for a sub appearance and 60 minutes against Burnley in which he made some fantastic runs, and, don’t forgot, Rooney didn’t score either. His pre-season was great, so shut the bugger up anyone putting Owen down, especially since I don’t think he’s even played 90 minutes in the Premiership yet!
@Always Be Closing
I couldnt agree more to be honest, its disheartening that so many of our fans are too quick to jump on the doom and gloom band wagon.
I think its mainly because the expectation is so high, we have wont he premierleague 3 years running a bad team doesnt do that! Fair enough ronaldo is gone but the squad does still possess real quality and can mount a challange.
Any realistic fan would give any new united players 10 – 15 games before judging him. Sadly for owen it is not only our rival supportors who are wanting him to fall flat on his face, a minority of our own supportors are jumping on the band wagon as well.
Well i say, shame on them!
Is Fergie keeping the Ronaldo money cause he has to give it back to them when we take Ronnie back next year??
@manutdchampions2008
Are you real? Are you on a continuous wind up or is that what you really beleive!?
i’m really very frustrated with all the Manutd fans who are going ‘Fergie’s a clown’ ‘we won’t win anything this year’ ‘looking at a poor season ahead’
Sometimes i wish fans had a contract to sign.Whenever we play poorly these glory fans would break the contract,and only to regret when we end up Champions.Seriously,do ‘these fans’ think they owe us a living?
Honestly, after all this and the fans are still arguing and slagging off our own club? The ABUs are having a complete field day now, this is when we need to hold up and stick behind the club together. Let’s BELIEVE. Come on you reds.
fooart,
how many drogba score last season? 14 goals in all comps 5 assists
how many torres score last season…? 20 goals in all comps 7 assists (same as Berba)
I’ll quote you on it “compare to berbatov with the goal and assist last season so STFU !!!”
“eventually this guy have done a lot for this team to win the league treble last season…” hmmmmmm when did we win the Treble last season??? Dude you’re delusional. We missed the treble because “The Berba” flubbed his pk
Scott the Red,
I understand that Ronaldo was pushing for a move since last summer. I in no way feel that we could have held on to him longer and yes, it would have been no good to anyone for him to stay. Having said that, we are not the same team without him and we will miss hime sorely. Read Lampard’s quotes in the paper today. He says we’ll be missing him badly. I think Lampsy knows a fair bit about football too.
I just wish we had attempted to bring in some proven quality to the wing.
I’ll judge Berba how I want. 30 million quid ought to provide some impact within his first season. I don’t think it’s too much to ask…
He did have an impact in his first season. No one at United assisted more goals than Berbatov.
Scott the Red I am sorry you are talking rubbish, he assisted many so what its goals that matters that his job that’s why you pay 30 million for a striker to score goals and put out man of the match performances, are you telling me because he assisted more then ronaldo in 07/08 that makes him a better player no it does not. If he is that great tell me one game last season where berbatov dominated a game and put out a man of the match performance because I am struggling to find one game. Do not forget Rooney and Torres were out for a while last season and they still bagged more goals than berbatov and do not forget berbatov was playing more than Torres and Rooney.
berbatov for me takes way to many touches he droppes far too deep and when he gets forward he makes fancy passes, he has no physical presence he can’t head the ball he is has inconsistant has an inexperience 19 year old forward. And when has he ever even tried to have shots on goal outside the box like ronaldo and Rooney do, he is not very threatening has an attacking forward. The reality is to get the best out of Rooney and the team united should be signing a central striker like a van nistlerooy who can put the ball in the back of the net berbatov cannot. Also united looked more of a threat when a saha type forward has been playing especially in the back end of the 05/06 season and the first half of the 06/07 season. berbatov I would not class in the top 20 of the best players around I would not class him in the top 10 or 15 of the best strikers in world football.
ManUnitedChampions – Someone posted and said Berbatov should have made some impact in his first season. I’d say having the top assists at United and the second highest amount of assists in the Premiership is making an impact. You disagree? You don’t think that’s making an impact?
It’s a shame you can’t see the difference between talking rubbish and talking sense.
Scott the Red I will keep saying this stats are misleading on the players overall performance and the package he offers the team. Carrick has better stats then Roy keane did in his prime does that mean he was better than keano no it does not Carrick is not fit to lace keanes boots. beckham probably had more assists than ronaldo does that does not mean he was better than ronaldo at the moment. You can go on about his assists to try and mask his job scoring goals and his making defenders life hell. I would rather berbatov scored more goals than looking into assists that could have lead to a build up of a goal than the actual critical moment of the goal. You over sugar coat berbatovs assists record than looking at his god awful performances he put in last season and his lack of drive and poor goal threat he possesses. berbatov scored 14 goals last season you complain tevez does not score enough even though premiership wise last year there is a 4 goal gap between the two that is not a massive difference.
Look at Juan Román Riquelme he probably has the highest ratio of assists which blows away ronaldo rooney messi henry kaka berbatov assists record out of the water but the problem is with riquelme is no team can adjust or change their style to suit this player. Villarreal in the end decided to let him go. Berbatov for me is the same he is a type of player that is just not suited to same has veron back in 2001/03 for united because our best player Rooney just does not suit the type of player berbatov is. rooney plays better with a strong powerful striker like torres drogba etoo henry van nistlerooy and the likes of andy cole and yorke in their prime that’s the striker united need badly someone who has the drive and strength to run at defences.
ManUtdChampions – so assisting more goals for our team last season when we won the league was not him having an impact then? Ok. That’s the only point I was arguing. Not that the stats mean he’s the best thing since Pele, simply that he had an impact on our season. I find it hard to believe how anyone would argue with that, but whatever.
RedDeviled Egg
“eventually this guy have done a lot for this team to win the league treble last season…” hmmmmmm when did we win the Treble last season??? Dude you’re delusional. We missed the treble because “The Berba” flubbed his pk
that sum up how moron u are…
league treble…it means we win the league three season in a row…not cup treble in a season…
i cant believe ur level of stupidity…before quoting someone else double check plss…stop slating our player and stop embarassing urself…
fooart. I’d suggest you take a gramar and English lesson before you slag me off.
Stop embarassing myself??? hahaha I’m embarassed for your lack of class but even more of your lack of profficiency with the English language.
Your personal attacks are not appreciated. Obviously you have such little substance to your arguments that you have to attack me and my “stupidity.”
“that sum up how moron u are” ?????? wow. Congratulations on being the worst responder to this blog. Your opinions have thus far matched your writing.
If you can prove to me that Berbatov is worth 30 million then please do. Several assists, a few goals, and then ghosting through the rest of the season does not make a great striker. We could of had Huntelaar for half that a nd had twice the striker.
@RedDeviled Egg
anyone confused with league treble and cup treble in a season stupidity is a kind word to describe them…
just look at what i posted earlier dude…
my english maybe poor by i do understand the meaning of league treble…
huntelaar just been offloaded by real madrid recently…if he was that good do u think they purchased ron and benzema instead…
top scorer in dutch league doesnt make u a top scorer in the epl…RVN is in its own class…Kuyt top scorer in premier league…nope…alfonso alves top striker in premier league doubt so…this are top scorer before at the dutch league…
but who are me to argue with football and english genius like u…sorry prof
Huntelaar got 8 goals in 20 games. that’s decent production considering many he came off the bench for.
Regardlress,
I’ll accept your appology foofart. Thanks.
does they won the spanish la liga…
forlan top scorer in la liga that doesnt help atletico win the league…
look at anelka last season…top scorer…
who end up winning the epl dude…and yeah our defence were rock solid…but dont deny berbatov did put his effort to help us win the league…
as long as he help us win something he worth everything…dont mind 30 million or 80 million or ji sung 4 million…
fooart alright you are saying oh if hunteleer was that good why did real madrid want to offload him. remember a certain name samuel etoo who was offloaded by real madrid and ever since etoo has reminded real madrid what a great striker he is.
fooart
on too berbatov I have said everything that needs to be said about the guy. I will give you another stat since united fans seem to be so obsessed with stats to defend berbatov. berbatov did not have one of the match award last year he did not even win PFA player of the month. I will give you another stat for you, people do not rate dirk kuyt right well this stat will disturb everyone on here, dirk kuyt scored more premiership goals last year than berbatov there is a phew stats for you which shows how much of a flop berbatov is.
enough with stat…does kuyt score against stoke..
does kuyt help liverpool achieve anything…
dont say that manchester united have advantage of having ronaldo and great defence…liverpool have gerrard and torres…and great defence too…
so who are better now…the guy join last season contributed to us winning the league…still not enough…
our opinion are different…
you love the player who were born star…
i love the average player who work hard to earn star status…
positively though it doesnt stop us wishing the best for this club…
fooart LOL united would have won the league last year without berbatov its that simple, he is a spear part that was not needed
fooart why dont you get a ganeter that can work hard and stick him on the wing to run around all day. yea I do like players who were born to be stars like scholes giggs rooney ronaldo messi pele. if you think park is good enough for united then you really need a brain transplante. berbatov did hardly anything that contributed to united winning the league he was almost carried. liverpool never had what I call a world class backline, by the time benitez got his team in order it was already too late to catch united in april 2008 and and in 2009
@manutdchamps09
i agree with u mate park is awful. i cant understand y people rate him.he is utter useless. just because he had one good game against barca in the sf doesnt mean that he is great.
if fergi prefers park over valencia , nani and tosic i think he has gone mad.
@manutdchampions2008
the most open play assist in the league does not mean cotributing to winning the league to you…wow…then again you are entitled with ur opinion and then again a lot will disagree with u mate