92-93: LWDW. Champions.
95-96: LWWW. Champions.
96-97: WDDD. Champions.
98-99: DDWW. Champions.
00-01: WDDW. Champions
02-03: WDDW. Champions.
07-08: DDLW. Champions.
08-09: DWLD. Champions.
09-10: WL….
In eight of our last eleven title wins we have had somewhat dodgy starts to the season, dropping points in at least two games, and in half of those the dropped points included a defeat. Losing 1-0 to Burnley is a dodgy result and this is certainly a dodgy start to another season.
Whilst having a bad start doesn’t mean you can’t win the league, having a good start or managing to go unbeaten in the first few games of the season doesn’t guarantee a great season either.
94-95: WDWW. 2nd.
97-98: WWDW. 2nd.
01-02: WDDW. 3rd.
03-04: WWWL. 3rd.
05-06: WWWD. 2nd.
Let’s not cry over spilt milk and just look forward to Wigan!
sanj, you’re a knob.
I’m pretty sure you’d be naive enough to think that if we signed Joey Barton tomorrow we’d be mopping the floor with all of Europe just because he’d be a red.
Get some sense into you man. This team is NOT as good as it was with Ronaldo. Simple as that. If you think Berbatov can compete with the likes of Torres, Drogba, Benzema, and Eto then you are clearly not adept at evaluating footballers.
I have a hard time understanding all of these people on here that claim you are not a real fan because you are willing to look through your fanaticism and see the team for what it really is. I love United but I KNOW they need improvement
Jesus ……. there.s a lot of vitriol on here just lately….. everyone having a pop with whoever disagrees with their own point of view, even Scott having to delete some saddos who starting to diss one of the most popular posters on here (GHTT)…. even Keanesmagicchat giving it large by saying he wants to bum Carrick to death….. Fucking hell what would would have happened in the old days when we were dropped a division (by all teams, them cunts across the city), Alright, yes we were shit yesterday, SAF got his team selection wrong perhaps by design or even injury forced who knows, but some of the knowall posters on here seem to think that as we have lost a single game we are gonna be shit all season.
Not so…. we have too much class to be shit all season and we will come good….. SAF has to get his act together possibly buying and strengthning our side but HE will get it right and cream always floats to the top….just takes time thats all.
sanj like I said blind has a bat, what makes your knoledge of the game so awful is when you think berbatov is class. he is not in the same league has rooney torres ronaldo ribery kaka benzama messi etoo they are the cream of top class attacking players, who have the drive explosive strength that makes them deadly attackers. 2 games can tell a lot of things. A the team has no match winners bar rooney, B the midfield has no strength character and goals in them. C the strikers bar rooney are average or too inexperience it is that simple. RedDeviled Egg said all the things I have been saying. I bet if we said the likes of djemba keberson when they were here we said they are shit you would say the same thing. and you know what I do not care how its spelled its a forum its going to have awful spelling this is not an article smart ass.
Who is this ‘blind’ and does he ‘has a bat’?
This performance just showed how bad we need a creative midfielder and a pacy forward(should of went for Eto’o)
@RedDeviledEgg
joey barton? right. good try. this team is not as good as it was with ronaldo. i agree with that, when did i ever say we were better without him? i have said i think his piss poor attitude was having a negative impact on other players and that his departure COULD be a good thing for united. our attack has been built around him for the past 3 seasons. it will take time to adapt to a system that is not focused on ronaldo. to say i have said the team is better without the best player in the world is pure rubbish. you call me a knob, then put words in my mouth. f*ck off.
you compare berbatov to torres, drogba, torres, etc… when berbatov is a completely different player than all those players. every player you mentioned is a pure striker, berbatov is not. if you think berbatov is not valuable to our squad, then it is YOU who is not ‘adept at evaluating footballers.’ watch the following three videos that scott posted in a previous article and watch how many chances are either directly or indirectly created by berbatov. he was not bought to score goals, he was bought to help unlock defenses (which we were unable to do yesterday).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEFqpXwgdHs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5AFp8AXeo4
http://www.youtube.com/user/aizzuan#play/all/uploads-all/0/_5NWrG8_lK4
as scott said, ‘His goals, his flicks, his perfectly weighted paces, and his superb vision. It’s a nice reminder of the player we’ve got and in same cases, it’s fairly educational. Plenty of the great moves that ended with goals started with a moment of brilliance from Berbatov and quite a few of them had passed me by.’
i am not saying people are not real fans, but what is the point in coming on here and slagging off every single player in our squad, then saying we need to go spend some preposterous amount of money on a spanish player who does not want to play for united? who is to say silva will be ‘what we need?’ i just think it is annoying to hear people CONSTANTLY slagging the team. this is our squad, we must get behind them.
sanj,
Can you please remind me how many goals The Berba got last year? 14 in all competitions…for 30 mill we could’ve gotten a lot more.
Go to hell with your “he’s not an out and out striker” bs. why can’t we have that kind of pairing? Drogba-Anelka Messi-etoo-henry , benzema-raul ? These guys bag goals by the bunch. Berba’s got some class and his skill and ball control are not in question. We need a striker that can get goals.
I’m having a hard time seeing how we can be a better team without Ronaldo and his leaving “COULD be a good thing for united” Sure, we can claim it’s Rooney’s season and we can say Valencia (who scored less goals in a season than Ronaldo had in a month) can take his spot. But how?
I can’t see how losing the worlds best player and not replacing him with a proven performer will work.
If you can give me a line up from the players we have that can compete and beat the likes of Barca, Real, Chelsea, Bayern, or Inter please do.
We need Hargreaves back in a bad way. He’ll be like a new signing when he returns
RedDeviled Egg – I struggle to understand how anyone who watched how Ronaldo behaved last season couldn’t possibly think that it COULD be a good thing that he’s gone. Do you think a character like that, stropping and throwing tantrums and insisting on always being centre of attention and wanting to leave is a good thing for the other players? You think it would have had a good effect on the morale this season if Ronaldo had been forced to stay? Ronaldo of 07-08 would be an asset to any club but you’re mad if you think he would have done much good for us this season, so desperate was he to leave.
If you’re going to judge Berbatov after one season, then more fool you.
Scott the Red look at veron, we give him another season and it did nt change. I do not see a vaste improvement in berbatov he is 29 close to 30 and he does not suit rooney united need a central striker, its time to stop hoping to link up players can work it cant. rooney and berbatov are not a right mix and the sooner berbatov is moved on the better. we should report spurs for ripping off united he is that bad.
I still do not understand why we did not buy Tim Cahill in the summer. Now it is obviously too late. That guy scores an enormous amount of goals form midfield. But he does not hog the limelight the way Gerrard does. Also proven in the BPL. Also defends!!!!
Cahill also a crock!! Also passing not good enough!! Also too old!!
Haha. I do take your point though. Goals needed from midfield. Unfortunately I cannot for the life of me see Fletcher, Carrick and Park scoring any more than 5 each over a season. I keep thinking Anderson’s suddenly going to start scoring like Bestie at Miss World contest but he just doesn’t do it. Scholes and Giggs can’t play regularly any more. I just think we are going to have to depend on Nani and Valencia and hope that Ljajic turns out to be a goalscoring prodigy who takes to the Premiership immediately. Doesn’t sound very hopeful does it? But United always find a way. That’s why I fucking love this club.
RedDeviled Egg
how many drogba score last season…?
how many torres score last season…? and how many assist…
compare to berbatov with the goal and assist last season this ‘lazy’ and ‘no class’ striker are much better than them…
so STFU !!!
This season if he does not score or assist as much as those two superb striker as u say…go on slag him if u want…
Give the ‘lazy’ striker a chance…It just two game…
‘Lazy’ ‘no class’ useless”old’ but eventually this guy have done a lot for this team to win the league treble last season…
what were u doing last season…crying for fergie to sign the argentine perhaps…has that help us achieve anything…
fooart,sanj,all the positive fans,ignore these idiots and just trust Sir Alex,the greatest manager of all time.
If Nani plays regularly I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think he’ll score 10-15 goals. He got 6 last year and barely played. Same with Carrick assuming he continues taking penalties (something that people often forget when counting Ronaldo’s goals from midfield). There’s 20-30 goals from two of our midfield players. I’d fancy Valencia to get a brave few as well despite his poor scoring record at Wigan.
hopefully ljajic can come great…and turn from talent to world class as soon a possible
Yet more silly kneejerk ‘fans’ of this club spitting on the players. Park is a great holding midfielder if he gets a few games, Nani is vastly improving so much that him and Hargo in mid would be devastating if they ever partner up – Valencia and Tosic are the future.
All these so called fans are putting Owen down for a sub appearance and 60 minutes against Burnley in which he made some fantastic runs, and, don’t forgot, Rooney didn’t score either. His pre-season was great, so shut the bugger up anyone putting Owen down, especially since I don’t think he’s even played 90 minutes in the Premiership yet!
@Always Be Closing
I couldnt agree more to be honest, its disheartening that so many of our fans are too quick to jump on the doom and gloom band wagon.
I think its mainly because the expectation is so high, we have wont he premierleague 3 years running a bad team doesnt do that! Fair enough ronaldo is gone but the squad does still possess real quality and can mount a challange.
Any realistic fan would give any new united players 10 – 15 games before judging him. Sadly for owen it is not only our rival supportors who are wanting him to fall flat on his face, a minority of our own supportors are jumping on the band wagon as well.
Well i say, shame on them!
Is Fergie keeping the Ronaldo money cause he has to give it back to them when we take Ronnie back next year??
@manutdchampions2008
Are you real? Are you on a continuous wind up or is that what you really beleive!?
i’m really very frustrated with all the Manutd fans who are going ‘Fergie’s a clown’ ‘we won’t win anything this year’ ‘looking at a poor season ahead’
Sometimes i wish fans had a contract to sign.Whenever we play poorly these glory fans would break the contract,and only to regret when we end up Champions.Seriously,do ‘these fans’ think they owe us a living?
Honestly, after all this and the fans are still arguing and slagging off our own club? The ABUs are having a complete field day now, this is when we need to hold up and stick behind the club together. Let’s BELIEVE. Come on you reds.
fooart,
how many drogba score last season? 14 goals in all comps 5 assists
how many torres score last season…? 20 goals in all comps 7 assists (same as Berba)
I’ll quote you on it “compare to berbatov with the goal and assist last season so STFU !!!”
“eventually this guy have done a lot for this team to win the league treble last season…” hmmmmmm when did we win the Treble last season??? Dude you’re delusional. We missed the treble because “The Berba” flubbed his pk
Scott the Red,
I understand that Ronaldo was pushing for a move since last summer. I in no way feel that we could have held on to him longer and yes, it would have been no good to anyone for him to stay. Having said that, we are not the same team without him and we will miss hime sorely. Read Lampard’s quotes in the paper today. He says we’ll be missing him badly. I think Lampsy knows a fair bit about football too.
I just wish we had attempted to bring in some proven quality to the wing.
I’ll judge Berba how I want. 30 million quid ought to provide some impact within his first season. I don’t think it’s too much to ask…
He did have an impact in his first season. No one at United assisted more goals than Berbatov.
Scott the Red I am sorry you are talking rubbish, he assisted many so what its goals that matters that his job that’s why you pay 30 million for a striker to score goals and put out man of the match performances, are you telling me because he assisted more then ronaldo in 07/08 that makes him a better player no it does not. If he is that great tell me one game last season where berbatov dominated a game and put out a man of the match performance because I am struggling to find one game. Do not forget Rooney and Torres were out for a while last season and they still bagged more goals than berbatov and do not forget berbatov was playing more than Torres and Rooney.
berbatov for me takes way to many touches he droppes far too deep and when he gets forward he makes fancy passes, he has no physical presence he can’t head the ball he is has inconsistant has an inexperience 19 year old forward. And when has he ever even tried to have shots on goal outside the box like ronaldo and Rooney do, he is not very threatening has an attacking forward. The reality is to get the best out of Rooney and the team united should be signing a central striker like a van nistlerooy who can put the ball in the back of the net berbatov cannot. Also united looked more of a threat when a saha type forward has been playing especially in the back end of the 05/06 season and the first half of the 06/07 season. berbatov I would not class in the top 20 of the best players around I would not class him in the top 10 or 15 of the best strikers in world football.
ManUnitedChampions – Someone posted and said Berbatov should have made some impact in his first season. I’d say having the top assists at United and the second highest amount of assists in the Premiership is making an impact. You disagree? You don’t think that’s making an impact?
It’s a shame you can’t see the difference between talking rubbish and talking sense.
Scott the Red I will keep saying this stats are misleading on the players overall performance and the package he offers the team. Carrick has better stats then Roy keane did in his prime does that mean he was better than keano no it does not Carrick is not fit to lace keanes boots. beckham probably had more assists than ronaldo does that does not mean he was better than ronaldo at the moment. You can go on about his assists to try and mask his job scoring goals and his making defenders life hell. I would rather berbatov scored more goals than looking into assists that could have lead to a build up of a goal than the actual critical moment of the goal. You over sugar coat berbatovs assists record than looking at his god awful performances he put in last season and his lack of drive and poor goal threat he possesses. berbatov scored 14 goals last season you complain tevez does not score enough even though premiership wise last year there is a 4 goal gap between the two that is not a massive difference.
Look at Juan Román Riquelme he probably has the highest ratio of assists which blows away ronaldo rooney messi henry kaka berbatov assists record out of the water but the problem is with riquelme is no team can adjust or change their style to suit this player. Villarreal in the end decided to let him go. Berbatov for me is the same he is a type of player that is just not suited to same has veron back in 2001/03 for united because our best player Rooney just does not suit the type of player berbatov is. rooney plays better with a strong powerful striker like torres drogba etoo henry van nistlerooy and the likes of andy cole and yorke in their prime that’s the striker united need badly someone who has the drive and strength to run at defences.
ManUtdChampions – so assisting more goals for our team last season when we won the league was not him having an impact then? Ok. That’s the only point I was arguing. Not that the stats mean he’s the best thing since Pele, simply that he had an impact on our season. I find it hard to believe how anyone would argue with that, but whatever.
RedDeviled Egg
“eventually this guy have done a lot for this team to win the league treble last season…” hmmmmmm when did we win the Treble last season??? Dude you’re delusional. We missed the treble because “The Berba” flubbed his pk
that sum up how moron u are…
league treble…it means we win the league three season in a row…not cup treble in a season…
i cant believe ur level of stupidity…before quoting someone else double check plss…stop slating our player and stop embarassing urself…
fooart. I’d suggest you take a gramar and English lesson before you slag me off.
Stop embarassing myself??? hahaha I’m embarassed for your lack of class but even more of your lack of profficiency with the English language.
Your personal attacks are not appreciated. Obviously you have such little substance to your arguments that you have to attack me and my “stupidity.”
“that sum up how moron u are” ?????? wow. Congratulations on being the worst responder to this blog. Your opinions have thus far matched your writing.
If you can prove to me that Berbatov is worth 30 million then please do. Several assists, a few goals, and then ghosting through the rest of the season does not make a great striker. We could of had Huntelaar for half that a nd had twice the striker.
@RedDeviled Egg
anyone confused with league treble and cup treble in a season stupidity is a kind word to describe them…
just look at what i posted earlier dude…
my english maybe poor by i do understand the meaning of league treble…
huntelaar just been offloaded by real madrid recently…if he was that good do u think they purchased ron and benzema instead…
top scorer in dutch league doesnt make u a top scorer in the epl…RVN is in its own class…Kuyt top scorer in premier league…nope…alfonso alves top striker in premier league doubt so…this are top scorer before at the dutch league…
but who are me to argue with football and english genius like u…sorry prof
Huntelaar got 8 goals in 20 games. that’s decent production considering many he came off the bench for.
Regardlress,
I’ll accept your appology foofart. Thanks.
does they won the spanish la liga…
forlan top scorer in la liga that doesnt help atletico win the league…
look at anelka last season…top scorer…
who end up winning the epl dude…and yeah our defence were rock solid…but dont deny berbatov did put his effort to help us win the league…
as long as he help us win something he worth everything…dont mind 30 million or 80 million or ji sung 4 million…
fooart alright you are saying oh if hunteleer was that good why did real madrid want to offload him. remember a certain name samuel etoo who was offloaded by real madrid and ever since etoo has reminded real madrid what a great striker he is.
fooart
on too berbatov I have said everything that needs to be said about the guy. I will give you another stat since united fans seem to be so obsessed with stats to defend berbatov. berbatov did not have one of the match award last year he did not even win PFA player of the month. I will give you another stat for you, people do not rate dirk kuyt right well this stat will disturb everyone on here, dirk kuyt scored more premiership goals last year than berbatov there is a phew stats for you which shows how much of a flop berbatov is.
enough with stat…does kuyt score against stoke..
does kuyt help liverpool achieve anything…
dont say that manchester united have advantage of having ronaldo and great defence…liverpool have gerrard and torres…and great defence too…
so who are better now…the guy join last season contributed to us winning the league…still not enough…
our opinion are different…
you love the player who were born star…
i love the average player who work hard to earn star status…
positively though it doesnt stop us wishing the best for this club…
fooart LOL united would have won the league last year without berbatov its that simple, he is a spear part that was not needed
fooart why dont you get a ganeter that can work hard and stick him on the wing to run around all day. yea I do like players who were born to be stars like scholes giggs rooney ronaldo messi pele. if you think park is good enough for united then you really need a brain transplante. berbatov did hardly anything that contributed to united winning the league he was almost carried. liverpool never had what I call a world class backline, by the time benitez got his team in order it was already too late to catch united in april 2008 and and in 2009
@manutdchamps09
i agree with u mate park is awful. i cant understand y people rate him.he is utter useless. just because he had one good game against barca in the sf doesnt mean that he is great.
if fergi prefers park over valencia , nani and tosic i think he has gone mad.
@manutdchampions2008
the most open play assist in the league does not mean cotributing to winning the league to you…wow…then again you are entitled with ur opinion and then again a lot will disagree with u mate