These are the days all football fans crave. Aston Villa haven’t played Birmingham in the FA Cup since 1901. Newcastle and Sunderland have waited since 1956. Sheffield Wednesday played Sheffield United in 1993. Arsenal took on Spurs in 2001. Chelsea played Fulham in 2002. You have to wait years for these games.
What makes today’s game against Leeds so special is that we’re in different leagues and it has been years since we’ve played each other, and it will be years before we face each other again, excluding any possible future cup draws.
The general feeling before this game is that we’re going out for a mauling. This attitude would be fair enough if we were playing our first team, given the bashing we’ve just given Premiership side Wigan, but it won’t be our first team today and it’s no holds barred.
The hatred between these two sets of fans in mutual, with the rivalry beginning in the 60′s, when the teams were managed by Sir Matt Busby and Don Revie. With hooliganism taking hold of football culture, United and Leeds stepped up the rivalry again. The rivalry on the pitch dulled for some time after that, with United struggling post-Busby in the 70′s and Leeds getting relegated in the 80′s, but the rivalry and hatred was reignited in the 90′s, pre-Premiership (which is why Leeds fans put such emphasis on the era before the Premiership.. because they’ve amounted to nothing since it began) with United and Leeds fighting it out for the 1992 title. With Sir Alex Ferguson winning the FA Cup in 1990, then the Cup Winners Cup in 91, things were looking good for us to win the league in 92. Gordon Strachan, Lee Chapman, David Batty and Gary McAllister lead Leeds to the title,with United falling apart in the last couple of months of the season. In the last ten games before our final day victory over Spurs, we love four games, drew four and won two.
But then Eric Cantona left them for us, we won the league, our first in 26 years, and the Frenchman inspired a whole generation. Who knows what would have happened had that team of kids didn’t have a Cantona to inspire them (and score a goal every other game) in that 95-96 season, when Alan Hansen declared they’d win fuck all on the first day. How lacking in confidence would the young Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Nevilles etc. be if they had failed to live up to Sir Alex Ferguson’s expectations? And how lacking in confidence would the manager be with his own decisions? Would he get rid? Would be bring in new players? Would he leave? The consequences of that 95-96 team failing are quite unimaginable.
So, we’ll sing our songs of Cantona, and we’ll sing about hating Leeds scum. These occasions are made for gloating. Which is why they will almost certainly gloat on the deaths of the men who died in Munich. Whilst Liverpool and City do this on every visit to Old Trafford (apart from the hypocritical blue scum, who forget that their own, Frank Swift, died in the tragedy until the eyes of the world are watching during the 50th anniversary match), it will take on a whole new level when Leeds do it, whose Munich songs we haven’t heard for some years now.
The atmosphere should be heated, which should make for a rough match on the pitch. I therefore hope Sir Alex Ferguson plays enough players ready for the occasion. Whilst I see no problem in playing the more beefy Darren Gisbon and Federico Macheda, there are some players who might not be ready for this fixture physically, let alone mentally.
Michael Carrick has already said he is desperate to play which I hope the manager takes heed of. Clearly the first team players are all hoping for an appearance in such a game, with Paul Scholes only mentioning this season how great the games against Leeds were.
Whilst for the fans, a replay would be immense, for the well-being of the team, we really do want to avoid a trip to Elland Road. Still being in four competitions, we’ve got enough games to think about, particularly for a squad ravaged by defensive injuries. This means Ferguson does need to have the option of first team experience on the bench, even if not in the starting team.
But again, this is a day that football fans crave, and I intend to enjoy it as much as I possibly can. Let’s fucking stuff these bastards!
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Some games are worth the wait………….Bring on the scum time to make them experince what it feels to be city …………
“But then Eric Cantona left us for them”. Ha, ha. Please, don’t take me wrong, but I was confused for a moment.
Here’s to a great 2010, starting with a stuffing of Leeds.
Lets get it over with today. Let them socre first and then respond with 3 or 4!
Like Scott said, “enough team” please tonight…
Not the matter of youngsters or not, but a team ENOUGH to play the United way…
Off topic. League cup semifinal http://www.tribalfootball.com/man-city’s-tevez-will-dance-front-ferguson-if-he-scores-547671
Wow!..i cant wait 4 these,..am a kenyan manc!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPyH5mfQntg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFw5a2_2xK4&feature=player_embedded
for the reds who will be at OT make sure you represent the other mancs across the globe who didnt have the chance to be there. i would like to have more this please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiBhsb6VD44 let them know we aint in the same level with them.
Fabio, Obertan, Gibson and Welbeck all start
United team:
Kuszczak; Neville, Vidic, Evans, Fabio; Welbeck, Anderson, Gibson, Obertan; Rooney, Berbatov.
Subs: Amos, Rafael, Brown, Carrick, Tosic, Giggs, Owen.
Team News : Kuszczak, Neville, Vidic, Evans, Fabio, Obertan, Anderson, Gibson, Wellbeck, Rooney, Berbatov…….Wow!!!!….Evans is back!!!!!
^ Happy with that team, never expected a ‘full size’ but didn’t expect the reserves either. A nice mix, glad that we have Rooney & Berba up front togethr again
Thanks guys. Pity Scholesy didn’t make it.
It will be interesting to see how our midfield duo handles things.
Oh and it is great to see Jonny back.
wow tosic is on the bench, nani and foster both aren’t
are they injured?
if not, i won’t be too sad to see either go although i always thought nani had more chance than foster.. personally i think foster really blew it when he complained that he was first choice for england and only third for united
OBERTAN !!! OBERTAN !!
………
EUANS IS BACK !!! I wont accept anything less than a 5-0
am in the mood bring on the scum !!!
@rrou:
I would like to think that they are injured, but you can’t be sure these days. Fergie has been a bot selective when he is announcing which players are injured.
However, in light of what has happened with Edwin, I seriously doubt Foster would leave the club in January.
F***ng typos EVANS i meant
Yes, fucking wonderful to see Jonny Evans back! Oh happy day!!
He’s going to be such a star, he’s already our second best centre half (sadly I have not much faith in Rio getting back to his old ways). We need Evans fit so he can get a better understanding with Vidic, and we can build some continuity in defence.
Nani is injured. I hope Evans and Neville are fully fit. Glad to see Obertan get a start, and Tosic on the bench. Strong team out there, I really hope we can stuff the fuckers. Come on Utd!
Nectarine
That’s right. But I have to admit that Wes has also done extremely well in the last 2 games. I think SAF will have a tough choice to make in the next few weeks. But I bet he prefers that than playing with Carrick at the back!
Is Macheda injured too?
@Fze123
I think so. I heard a few days ago that Macheda had a hamstring strain.
Hello Guys
Good side. Intresting to see how the likes of Obertan handle a game like this. Good to see jonny back. Only Rio left to comeback now and we will be at full strength.
Not shown any FA Cup game live here in India. This is the only one they are telecasting Live.
Grella is a one to watch for the scum as well as beckford but with vida evans at central defence ,there wont be any mercy.
Obertan to score his first today.
Costas
Kiko has a groin strain i think. Whatever it is, he hasnt played many games this season.
Ben Foster has the flu SAF said.
AIG
Groin strain? You could be right. Physioroom.com said it was a hamstring, but it might be wrong. Anyway, I hope he gets back soon. I guess Owen, Scholes and possible Fletcher will probably play on Wednesday?
@Costas
Agreed. Wes has done well in his last two matches. I think Wes is best at right back, and Evans is one for the future so I would like to see him played centrally now. But you’re right, it will be a tough choice for Fergie if Wes can be consistent with his form.
Btw, does anyone one have an English stream? The Setanta stream I usually use is offline today, perhaps Setanta is not broadcasting the game?
really hope to see tosic given a run in é 2nd half. not those 10 min cameo again. he deserve a few games before deciding if we’ll be shipping him off.
Come-On Man Utd!! Turn on é heat!!!
come on united!!!!
Right am seated with a guy who keeps on slagging red nev am gonna punch someone right now.
Vidic replaced by Brown. Anybody knows why?
Nectarine
Try this one out
http://www.atdhe.net/11369/watch-manchester-united-vs-leeds-united
aig alex
Superb mate! Thank you.
Vidic injured in warm-up. Fuuuuuuck
Vidic injured during warm-up. fail.
What just happened to Vidic?
Vidic injured during warm-up. fail.
http://atdhe.net/11369/watch-manchester-united-vs-leeds-united
@Costas:
well said mate, you’re insightful as always
foster ain’t likely to leave in jan, although i’m really glad kus seems to have stepped up in Van der Sar’s absence (my thoughts and prayers with him)
that said, the team looks great tonight – some wishful thinking on my part: hope we go 2-0 by halftime so we can rest some players for city.
lastly, i’m always happy to see fabio start.. he’s got a very mature head on those shoulders, and seems to play beyond his years. really classy, i’ll never forget when he first played last season, and ronaldo gave him so much of the ball it was as if he was saying “here kid, have the ball, you’ve got my respect”
What happened to Vidic?
http://www.veetle.com/viewChannel.php?cid=4b05959c0d76b
Oh Berba, I love you so. Don’t let me down.
Nectarine
Most welcome mate
Good start by Leeds, certainly not come here to stifle us.They are looking positive
Shame about Vidic. I hope it was just a precaution and he will be ok for Birmingham
That was poor from Gary.
Berba should have done better there. had he kept on moving, it would have been a tap in for him
Oh ando. Not yet.
It’s a good start by the lads,though Berba should have done better.it’ a good midfield.LET’S KILL EM GUYS!!
One thing about Vidic. Getting injued in the warm up isn’t a good omen for one’s overall fitness. Rio and Saha are the two United players I remember getting injured in the warm up a couple of times.
FUCKK!!! WHAT WAS THAT!!!
Oh no..
PIG should have come for that, it was there to win
for fuck sake.
Shitty communication between Wes and Kus.
Come on United!
Fuck me, that’s embarrassing. What were they doing in defence there? OK, let’s batter them now. I suspect we will need a more dominant midfield duo than Anderson and Gibson to make this comfortable.
No fire in some of the players. Looks like Leeds players understand the importance of this fixture more than ours. We havent created a single chance in 22 mins. Leeds players are getting Stuck in better than ours
Fabio is overshadowed by the occasion
rooney………. so unlucky !!
Leeds have already done more than Wigan did in two matches against us, because they’re getting stuck in and attacking us. Roberto Martinez should be ashamed.
Noooooo!
so close
Just look at how the sheep are celebrating !WE ARE UNITED.we will rise again.just look at how we almost equalised
Defence is looking shaky. We need a goal to swing the momentum in our favour otherwise leeds are looking dangerous and may score again
Wat’s happening?? C’mon United!!
Whenever Leeds attack why is it 4 of theirs against 2 of ours. Our defenders arent getting back quickly enough
We’re getting overrun in midfield. Gibson can’t even dominate against a League one side. He’s just not good enough apart from his shooting abilities.
We look like we’re playing one man short at points…
ê lads need to calm down. still plenty of football to be play. got abit nervy after é goal. compose compose.
wat a game man!!!!
come on Man Utd!!!
OBERTAN GO FOR THE DAMN GOAL !!
If leeds would be playing like this week in week they would be title conteders
come on united!
The good thing is despite being a goal up, leeds are going for it which will give us more space to attack
Anderson and Fabio are unbearably bad! i’ve said it time and again, Anderson is THE most overrated player at United! get rid of him!
Not surprised to see them have a real go. Some of our players should try to impress the manager a bit more.
Frustrations is taking its toll but i have a feeling rooney will equlise for us
Where is gibson ?
@thereddevil: fuck off will u!
juz fuck off!
Welbeck has been the best player by far. Looking to run at defenders every time and looking to get stuck in
Obertan
please don’t let me down
Brown and Neville are a disgrace today
Cannot even run or pass the ball properly
We havent even had any shots on target yet apart from Rooney
What is Owen doing on the bench
Take off Welbeck/Obertan/Berbatov
Wow, Neville should come off in the second half! He doesn’t even bother to run back into his position.
Gary Neville and Darron Gibson have been passengers today – which is why we look a player or two down today…
Obertan must be more effective with his end product.
@ the reddevil
Anderson is having a blinder so fuck off
Obertan fold em aka Sam
So far Obertan hasnt been good. he has done well at times but is running into opposition defenders a lot of times. His decision making isnt most impressive too.
Neville has been the biggest joke so far today
Nice pass Gibson. Jesus.
What has welbeck done wrong ?You guys just hate the lad dont you?
Welbeck is at least making an effort.
Cheating dirty Leeds
Our players need to get stuck in
Its half time and we’ve made hardly any chances against a League 1 team!!!
I have to agree, Ando and Welbeck have been our best performers so far
go wesley … lol
Brown Yes !! Let them know you are on the pitch
One thing is for sure!!
I wouldnt want to be in our dressing room at half Time facing SAF
What a tackle! More of that please. Wes has some crunchers like that every now and again.
bchilds
ando apart from his his shooting.Shooting has been woeful as always.cant shoot to save his life,can he?
Thats it
Take off Welbeck and Gary Neville NOW
Dont anyone on here say there remotely happy about what there watchin we hae been fuckin woefull…these cunts are in the 3rd fuckin division for fuck sake ….wellbeck our best performer,give me a fuckin break,jesus
worst 1st half of football this season and that too against a side in League one. Some players cant be bothered about the game. Leeds looking by far more dangerous. Wont be surprised if we are out today.
Egg on my face. Embarrased
Neville
some things live it to obertan.
We need to be more brutal in the second half
Team being booed off
@AIG No way, Ando cannot shoot at all. When the cries to “shoooooot” bellow out from the stretford end it makes me wince and think ‘please don’t'!
Lets not single out players. No United player would get a rating of over 4/10 for this performance.
We’re complete shit atm. Fergie will be furious at half time.
oh fuck off will u! anyone with half a brain and one eye can see how ineffective and crap neville, anderson and welbeck have been! how cud u possibly deny that?!! maybe u’ve been watching the wrong match!
Very disappointing first half, players don’t seem to give a shit today. Need such a vast improvement in the second half if we’re not going to be faced with an embarrassing result.
i think cock sums it up quite nicely
i fucking hate leeds scum, and that little turd beckford
Pathetic! What the fuck is Gibson doing wearing a United shirt??? Useless waste of space has been like a passenger today, and same goes for Obertan, Neville and Welbeck. I think SAF could take all four off and only put three subs in and we’d be better off….. unbelievably pathetic performance……
What is it with the players being too elaborate in the box when there are much simpler options? The Leeds players won’t give them time and space to pass around much. Just boot it for fuck’s sake!
@Costas
You’re right. I found myself critisizing different players during the match but no one has been good today really. I expect a different performance in the second half.
At least we can’t get worse.
Couldnt be bothered much about not winning the FA Cup but going out to Leeds and that too considering the position they are and the fact that we are at home in will be humiliating and embarassing
Gary Neville cannot and must not try to bomb forward if he isn’t capable of/bothered to bomb right on back…what is troubling me more that anything is that fact that we look as likely to concede as we are to score.
Could do worse than taking Welbeck off and bringing Mickey Owen on. Come on United!!!
Lads,
It hasnt been a good half at all, We have a number of underperformers but more dissapointing to me is that Leeds look as if they want it more!
It will remain to see if they can keep up such a high tempo. I expect fergie will perform his Half TIme Wizzardry!
Next half i expect to see the following
Our Passing become quicker and more direct
Wellbeck & Obatan swap wings
Arround 65 minutes subs and bring off the underperformers
Shots on Target!
And 2 goals! hahaha Come on!
Underperformers
Berbatov – Not Doing much off the ball runing. Poor decisions and needs to sharpen up.
Wellbeck – Done ok, Some decisions not correct but thats due to lack of experience. Someone said to take him off for i guess the miss control.. Goes to show how fickle people are!..> These things happen!
Gibson – For me needs to get higher up the pitch than anderson, Anderson has had about 7 long shots and i dont think he has gotten closer than 4 meters to the goal!… Least gibson can!
Gome on lads!!! lets get it on!
fuck me there’s some negative folk on here. It’s half time and we haven’t played terribly just not created enough chances. The goal was good pass n finish and sure if this was our regular back four(even though can’t remember last time saw that) it’d never of been a goal. This is a cup game where fergie’s trying few things out and few ppl coming back from injuries so how bout getting behind the fucking team fellas instead of trying to do the managers job. Manchester na na na manchester na na na
Giggs for Welbeck
or Rafeal for Neville
or Valencia for Obertan
or Carrick for Gibson
or Owen for Berbatov
Fergie please please please make some changes…this team has been an embarrassment so far
Gibson is awful, I have said it before and I will continue to say it.
the one trick pony has yet again disappeared from a midfield battle, against oppositon two tiers below no less.
wellbeck why is he on the left wing when we have, valencia, nani and tosic? obertan, well at least he is trying.
fair play to leeds they deserve it.
Looking at our bench, the obvious choices would be Giggs and Owen. However, if this team can’t beat Leeds then we are in trouble.
Off topic…Fergies comments on Owen in the news of the World!
Fergie has said that OWen is too simular to Rooney in where he plays?…. Am i right in readin that??
For me Berbatov always plays higher than rooney, GEneraly.
Whats the problems.. I think owen at times offers more a threat than berbatov!
Might shock you all but i think it might be reverse physcology from fergie and we might see a good half of the season for owen! Hope we doo.. If it happens it only can be good for us!
@ sayyid
what has welbeck done wrong as i said before you guys just hate the lad.
I would have loved to see tosic but looking at the pace of the game, i dont think it would be a nice idea to bring him in…Or maybe MAYBE he can come on and save his arse ? And i repeat maybe….
Don’t bleedin worry people
leeds scum are raising up their game, we need to raise our in é 2nd half. few of our lads are not playing well, quite a few stray passing, giving é balls away too much. Neville needs to lead by example. ê young lads will be looking to our captain at times like this. Come-on Captain!! SAF needs to calm them down abit at half time, guess he probably do this by fucking them up. looking forward to 2nd half, come-on!!
Giggs and Carrick should come in for Welbeck and Gibson.
@Costas
For me when you play teams like this and they go 1-0 up its a matter of who wants it more!
Team effort always frightens me, Specialy when we are not firing on all cylinders!
I do expect a bombardment in the second half!.>. I do expect a good number of chances… I do expect leeds performanc levels to drop and then we will be most dangerous!
One thing for sure is if we dont win it we havent ernt it and didnt deserve it.. From what ive seen so far!…
I only wish i could see Fergies Red Face and Foaming mouth as he fires a half time volly of abuse and instructions to the underperformers and team! hahaha
Spot on Costas – I think the implications of this first half are much larger than the fact that we look like going out of the FA cup in the third round to Leeds.
@Xyth
Bit harse on gibson mate!… His passing has generally been good, Although anderson has been in it a little more his passing has been wayward and his shooting embarasing!
Gibson looked MIA so far, out of place all the time.
I may have to eat my own words about Welbeck but man, I have so little faith with him. Why didn’t he pass when he should have.
Garry Neville has done a wonderful service for the club but it’s time for a retirement.
I understand Berbatov is a classy player, his passing is good etc but man we need GOALS for goodness sake, so please up the tempo or just replace him with Owen.
You can excuse the youngsters but for a £30million striker to go completely missing against a Leeds team is bloody shocking. Same goes for an £18million brazilian midfielder. I’m still hopeful that Rooney will drag us through this.
This is something that often happens in the FA cup. It’s a combination of things. A minnow playing the game of their lives, a big team being complacent and a couple of players(Nev and Evans) being rusty from their injuries.
However, the fairy tale has to end at some point. Leeds are not better than the team that’s on the field today. I hope half time will allow our lads to get their shit together.
@doncobaino
Gibson… Maybe i am not seeign what your seeing. I thought his passing and play was tidy.
Sometimes i find when it isnt going the way we want it some are too quick to jump on the selected few irrespective on what they have done in the game!
Welbeck should only part up front. He cannot cross the ball, and neither can Obertan.
I think Fergie will give it 15 minutes, maybe try and get Gibson to have some shots and then bring on a combination of Giggs/Owen/Valencia/Carrick
I think Carrick will make the most difference as he will make the game flow for us. We keep on losing the ball too easily
OWEN!!
@trevor,
You are right, should have said Gibson or Anderson.
@Costas
Well said… Just cause they are a few leagues down its all about effort and a little luck…
Leeds look to want it more.. But they cant keep that kind of performance up all game!…
We will have our chances, if we are good enough we will take them if not then we deserve to loose..
I dont care who were playing Generaly if your good enough you win!
No Utd player looks up for it today! Leeds are having the game of their life against us, this is such a huge occasion for them. Don’t they realise the fucking importance of todays game? We should have crushed them by now, they’re a league one side ffs. No point in slating the players now, we just have to hope they up their game in the second half. Why do we always make it hard in the FA cup? This game reminds me of last season’s final against everton. Please pull out the hairdryer SAF.
Did anyone notice the banner just before kick off, it said “Thanks a million” with Eric’s picture on it. Great one.
You cant really say someone is awful today when everybody has been pathetic its like saying rooney cost us the rome defeat when we clearly know nobody showed up.
With regards to wellbeck
Any time i see him i think he looks so fucking nervous… Im sure that will come with experience.
Forget the first half – its over done with – bring on the second half. I expect a complete transformation, at least in terms of desire. Nothing less will do!
2nd half starting. calm down guys. let’s get behind ê lads, still have 45 min of football to play. come-on come-on!!!
Are we all watching the same match
?
Welbeck can’t cross? What about that peach of a cross that Berbatov watched fly past him?
@trevor:
I agree. It’s all about desire here. And it is a fact that a some of these players don’t know what these games mean. But they have to work harder if they want to stamp their claim in the first team. Players like Gibson, Obertan and Anderson have to realise that these games are tests for them.
How is that not a penalty ?
Now a typical utd vs leeds game come on wesley be careful
Wes has to come off. He has had a horrible game and will get sent off if he plays the whole 90 mins. Going in with too many 2 footed challenges
Beckford is a fucking cunt
Nice tackle fabio
Wes won’t last the 90 on this evidence.
Players are getting stuck in…brilliant
All we need is a goal in 10 mins
That yellow is a greelight for gibson to come off
Gibson cant pass,cant tackle. How on earth is he still at United. Just because he can shoot from 20 yards.When you look at Gibson and Anderson i feel nani isnt bad at all
People having a go at Gibson: I’d take a central midfielder who’s scored more United goals than Peter Schmeichel, over Whoopi Goldberg. Has Anderson really worked out any better than Nani ?
Okay the last thing we need is to go down a man or two…
this ref is a disgrace
come on fergie make some changes
Wes needs to come off
Wes really needs to calm down
I missed the first half guys, how was it?
Welbeck is crap
Welbeck and Gibson off
Watch how Leeds try and set up Wes Brown now…he needs to really watch it and be smart about things if he wants to last this game..
At last
Shameful. We need giggs and Valencia against a League one side to turn things around.
Obertan welbeck are off
joy to the bashers
something in me wished we’d taken the risk and really seen what these players are made of…but then i expect valencia to tear this leeds team apart..lets go..
@ boogeyman
no need for explanation CRAP will do
OFE- Okay.
COME ON UNITED!
A replay would be horrible as well. an unnecessary fixture for us
Boogeyman
if there were marks in negative, we would get negative marks for that embarassing first half performance
We need to calm down and play it our way its not they are hard to penetrate
jesus ! This guys can shoot
What about the Wigan game guys ? Cmonn!
Our corners are a disgrace
At least lets not waste the corners!
We look a full half second slower at reacting to anything…and as long as G. Neville is on the pitch we are highly vulnerable…
2 shots on target wtf come on lads this is fuckin poor
Corea
Hi. Only 3 players started this and the Wigan game. No comparison.
Fabio !! Ooops
I’ll take the replay right now
We have been useless.
WE deserve to be knocked out
Beckford can really become a top player. has been excellent today. i thought he was just a hyped player but he has shown that he can make it to the top level. Worth the hype for sure
if u follow leeds united then yu must be fuckin scum
Costas – ok, it’s a league one side, mate. i’m sure you don’t want to play all of the games with the Wigan side.
sayyid
At the moment replay is asking for much. Leeds deserve to win, so i wont be surprised if we are out and SAF and the players are left with egg on their face.
Brown needs to come off we lost vidic through injury we cant afford to lose wes via suspension
PS where is evans ?
This reminds me of the Besiktas home game. Just don’t look like scoring.
They are going to start time wasting now
Can we please start playing properly
Give the ball to Valencia for goodness sake
This is a disgrace. No one attacking the ball, it’s difficult to just pin it on one player. We look like we’ve already lost it, the lads are dragging.
At least bring on Owen for Berba. He has been really fucking poor.
@corea
It’s not that simple. You can’t expect the second team to play like the one against Wigan did. These 11 have never played together.
@ costas
agreed
i can only see us scoring a luck deflection/penalty
Why Ando Saf?
Did i see that
VALENCIA CROSSED WITH HIS LEFT FOOT
that play just summed it all up today….we just cannot score!
Can’t fucking believe it.
That was the chance and we have blown it away
Brown has been a joke
What a disgrace him and Neville have been
Costas – we have a hell lot of the tournaments to play for. that’s why we should have 2 teams of players. i don’t want to argue with you right now but that Wigan side was awful.
Will have to go in hiding for a month atleast if this stays the way it is.
The crowd is really getting very imptient
we’ll still win 3-1, come on lads believe in the boys, 17 minutes to go, plenty of time,
15 mins left
Lets try to test the keeper at least
Fletcher really should have started. We need steel in midfield.
corea
It’s not an arguement. We can’t compare the two games or the two teams that we played. And of course we were going to make changes. That’s why I was nervous about today.
This is flipping disgraceful, seriously, credit where its due though, theyve been tackling better than many PL clubs recently.
I really hope we have a saviour, atleast for a replay … please!
2 Good chances missed by Rooney now.
Just not our day
We deserve nothing from this match
What a chance for Rooney. Not our day in any way.
Great even Rooney’s skying them!
the shot from Rooney was pathetic
oh dear me!! nearly 2-0!!
Lets hope they regret that chance…
Should have scored beckford
hope that come back to haunt Leeds
Wes and evans being murdered by a league 1 striker.Pathetic
I can’t believe what I’m watching. Is this a United team? No composure, no steel, no class. Shameful.
Costas – in the second half we have the first team playing on the pitch. i just wanted to make the point not to judge the team on the Wigan game. it is plane simple. but this is poor. at OT. of course it’s FA Cup. there are no easy games. i am so nervous, so better to postone posting here for a little bit.
game over
disgraceful performance
all 11 players should be dropped for the next match
totally unacceptable
and they hit the bar
oh my god! hit the post!
Shameful from Rooney. Should have been sent off
Ok Corea.
Horrible day. It’s telling when a goal kick ends up a a free kick outside our box.
gary neville is fucking infuriating…
7 mins left
They are in League 2 for goodness sake
If we draw then its been an injustice for Leeds
Dont deserve it, but the best we can get now is a replay
we can continue to play for another 45mins after the 90 and still wont fukin score – y no flether or carrick or evra
valencia deserves credit though, has really done well after coming on.
Pathetic
We cannot defend this crap that I am seeing
We’re not going to score here. No way. Can’t pass, can’t cross, can’t make decent runs.
to think i was laughing it liverpool drawing with reading
ffs!
Fucking disgrace. No passion. Did Fergie not impress upon the players how massive this game was? I’m disgusted. Fucking Leeds. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
dv-ant
dont you think this team with Berba,Rooney should be good enough to beat a League one side.
Shameful,embarassing,humiliating.
All fans deserve a public apology for this shameful performance against one of our biggest rivals
The fucking cunts are wasting time
We are better off without this FA Cup. Anyway the second team is not good enough.
We are going out and we dont even deserve a replay
How can we not score against a league 1 team
Fergie playing a joke of a midfield
fucking disgusting
I think I’m going to be in tears here. Its been horrible today.
nev is gone – pls lets be honest – he is terrible!!!!
Neville must be stripped of the captain
Must be at le\st 5 min extra
Fergie has never gotten knocked out from the third round. Unreal.
Feel bad for Scott and all our fans
All this build up to the game and he gets to see such a pathetic performance
OMG THIS IS A JOKE
Costas
had to end at some stage,didnt it.
and as i type that we start creating chances after 90 minutes
FUCKING SHITE! , Anderson shouldnt have been taken off , Get valencia Involved more!, Berbatov actually moved but didnt really do anything,Might as well not have played fabio, Are players are meant to be word class, we are playing againgst leeds for fucksake!, And they should be able too play every game of the season , Valencia has been amazing lately he doesent need a rest!, PULL YOUR FINGERS OUT!
@mhihrh
I guess so. A lot of positive records broken this season.
Oh godd, pleaseee get an equaliser. We cannot lose to LEEDS. WTF
scott, we lost.
Any One else feel like crying?
Fucking bottler! The whole lot of them! I can’t believe this! Valencia is our most dangerous winger at the moment and no one is linking or passing to him! And wtf Rooney suddenly got worse in the second half?!
Congrats to Leeds.
Its over, were out of the Fa CUp. :@
right match is over now. What a fucking disgrace. No excuses for that we just weren’t in it. When did we become a team of chokers. Barca last yr, fucking leeds this yr. We have all our strikers on and can’t score. Fair play to them they made it hard but come on, how could we not even score. Few of the senior players should be looking at themselves here.
What a load of shite!
Congrats to Leeds and Beckford especially, great performance and fully deserved too. We were a disgrace today.Didnt wake up until the 90 mins and paid the price
Beckford murdered our centrebacks.
Shameful. need to cover my face from tomorrow atleast till we dont win anotehr title
Wish leeds were in the premiership. Atleast wouldnt have felt that bad.
Disgraceful performance. End of.
7 theking 7, I feel like bursting into tears.
Why have we been underperforming in the FA CUP In recent years, I dont understand it .
Sickening! Fucking disgraceful performance! Not a single player on the pitch worthy of the shirt today. Outfought yet again. And SAF is going to play an even weaker team against City? This is going to be a humiliating week for us United fans. A goal down for ~70 minutes and we can’t create any chances or keep up any period of sustained pressure. Absolutely pathetic!!
$#@!$%^%$^%$^$&^%*(&^*(& !!!!
totally outplayed in the midfield and outclassed!!! leeds were so much hungrier!
cant believe it! shite!
f@#K!! – nev to go, gibson to get more practice in passing, anderson too! i still cant believe it!
we were idealess! too many journeyman youngsters in the midfield!
of course, this is an immediate emotional outburst! but still…..aaarrrrrrgggghhhh!
Kuszack: at fault for the goal
Neville: utter crap
Brown: useless
Evans: played well
Fabio: played OK
Obertan: Nani number 2???
Gibson: Crap
Anderson: waste of space
Welbeck: total joke
Rooney: Total crap in front of goal
Berbatov: did he even play
Giggs: did all he could
Valencia: the best player on the pitch
Owen: should have scored
It will only improve our chances of winning the league, guys.
I don’t think we are capable of winning the CL. we just have to focus on the realistic targets. this team needs time. good day to all of us.
wow, we lost.
If Fergie put the strongest first team out, with Fletcher and Evra playing, we would have won easily, even if it is risky and they could get injured. Fergie should have put the strongest team out to stuff them. Looking at their fans celebrating makes me feel fucking sick.
The team today was poor and everyone(including Fergie) should come under critism for this. The good thing is that we have a game 3 days later.
What today proved is that we don’t have the squad depth that will lead us to trophies. That’s why I have been saying that the main focus should be the Premiership.
I cannot bear the shame of us losing to those Leeds scums
Lads.
We didnt deserve to win today.
Why were we so poor???
I think too many people not having played together enough times.
Back Four – Nevile Brown Evans & Raf or Fab! (add to that all are recently back from Injury and not completly match sharp.)
Midfield of Gibson – Anderson – WEllbeck – Obarton
How many times have these played together… WE often looked lost… No Fluid play.
We started to play when Valencia and Giggs came on. At least some Connection with the Strikers.
People will slate Wellbeck….. Gibson…….and the rest but you are just looking for someone to blaim.
Im sure owen will get slagged for missing his chance and people will ignore Rooneys Miss was worse!… Rooney had tim to adjust and eye the ball coming in.. Owen just had to swing a foot at it..
Owen also got a header late on. More than what Berbatov and Rooney got all game.
Look at the stats and how much as i dont want to admit it we didnt deserve today at all.
Leeds had better chances. Hit the crossbar and scored and we were awful.
Really bad… Unbelievably bad… So bad its sickening!
Well. I know we had to give some players chance to play. However, we always change players and the flow of the play is so poor. We should be serious in some tournament and don’t underestimate opponents. At the start of the league, i want berbatov to be more precise on goal and show more threats on goal. Against leeds, he had no shot and no attempts on goal. He is less threats than Owen. After Owen introduction, we had more threats on goal and looks more dangerous on attack. If the strike partner of the forward had no attempts and waits for ball to come other than create the chance himself, Rooney will be tired and burnt out just like Leeds game. berbatov should really improve more on his game for a 30m player. I’m really disappointed with his performance. He should be more dangerous on attack rather than spreading the play of the game like a midfielder.
@Sayyid
Berba at least created at least a couple of great chances which unfortunately the other players just fucking boot it wide!
leeds played without any fear and played a tough game. they had nothing to lose. we just need to get our team together for the city game. this is embarassing, but humility is needed sometimes
First of congratulation to Leeds, they deserve this.
Again, I personally think Berbatov should be sold and get a goal scoring machine (not gonna mention any names here). Classy player or not the team needs GOALS for goodness sake.
Owen needs more game to shape him up.
Gibson is full of question mark at the moment, he was lost, as simple as that.
Fabio doesn’t look as confident as his brother Raphael.
We played badly. So bad even Rooney misseda few good chances.
To sum it up, it was not our day. It simply wasn’t.
Glad you can see the bright side, Corea. Leeds definitely deserved to win today. Can’t say we did near enough. Hopefully the youngsters can turn it around against Shitty on Wednesday.
SHITE – guess you can scrap your plan to play the usual League cup team against City, Fergie. We need Carrick and Fletcher in midfield and not fucking shite like Gibson. Sorry, but I am fuming and I wouldn’t be sorry if he never played for us again. He’s in no way the only reason we lost but I’ve rarely seen a more inept, lost performance from a player. Where was he? They should all be ashamed of themselves though.
Fuck, I feel like dying. This has ruined my entire week and now I’m really dreading the City match. They will want to further humiliate us and be really up for it (like Leeds today).
i wish that if we are to play a weakened team then could we build it round carrick and fletcher, they were the difference between our fulham performance and our wigan performance,
pure scandal to loose home to division Leeds in FA Cup which should be one of the priorities with such a poor play and relatively good line up. absolute shite.
and it seems the young guns will play against City, so we can loose soon again
Absolute disgrace…. many of the players just do not know the meaning of a rivalry and do not step up…
if we dont sign a proper mid player during this window then i think we r seriously fucked!! we need some fucking quality in the team…this is bullshit..
@Corea
What I said earlier was that unless we played the same 11 we played against Wigan, we can’t compare the two games. Wigan were awful, but if we had played our best 11 against Leeds the result would have been different.
And even though Giggs and Antonio came on, some absentees were showing. No Fletcher, no bite in the midfield area. No Vidic, a horrible time with high balls. That will always be the case whether we play Milan or Leeds.
I’m sorry but the team played like shit at the back today.
Gary Neville should not have played. He is slow, inaccurate and hopeless. The change in defense was too much for 1 game, though I have to admit Leeds scum did play decent football.
Rooney, Berba, Owen, Gibson all missed shots. Anderson was wasteful in the 1st half, ineffective as well.
That goal was a huge huge mistake. I dont see how Fergie will let PIG play the City game in any case…….how I wished VDS were here with us. Now we’re stuck with Foster with no form and PIG with a big mistake.
Shame.
Enough of the excuses and statistical bullshit.
We are shit.
Berbatov, Owen, Neville, and that dickhead welbeck need to be f*****d off.
Leeds deserved it
Owen played better than both Rooney and Berbatov
Fergie needs to play his best team against City. We cannot lose to both City and Leeds in the same week
Foster
Rafeal Vidic Evans Evra
Valencia Carrick Fletcher Giggs
Owen Rooney
@trevor.
You’re right about Owen. But at least he could create chances unlike Berbatov who was so friggin slow throughout the game. Against Wigan, Berbatov should have scored a few but missed a few sitters.
Gibson was just like a lost player that is the fact.
I’ve been quite supportive of our defence/defenders/midfielders in defence over the last few weeks, because of all the changing going on, but an experienced defence should have performed a lot better against a league one side. Brown looks shaky at centre half, too mistake prone, much rather see him at full back, where neville whilst still a good player, lacks any sort of pace to be an attcking threat from RB.
Without giggs we lack creativity in midfield, could maybe do with signing a good creative attacking mid, i’d even take van der vaart on loan from the facists, or go for modric, but spurs always get silly money from us, so we’d have to pay around £25m for him i reckon.
I just feel if we leave the squad as it is we could struggle if we lose rooney/giggs/fletch to injury.
OMG!! still cannot take it!
wtf! cant even imagine when scholesy and giggsy retire! no one in the middle with enough brains for us! shite!
aaarrrrgggghhhh!!
used to be that when we went in at half time, we came out playing so much better! wtf is fergie doing in the changing rooms nowadays? f*&^king blast their arses off pls!
i have not seen our half-time performances improve when we have been 1-0 down this season!
ranting raving and going crazy! sorry guys – still love the team, but got to get this off my chest!
pls just let nev retire in grace – shit, he looks like a mangy old dog out there with the speed and lack of tackling prowess – man oh man….and giggsy usually takes 45mins to warm up and get going, putting him on with only 20mins left is useless….
why didnt carrick come in to hold the midfield? instead, we let gibson play – he didnt dictate play, no passing,….aaarrrgghh…
the list goes on and on!
sorry for the ranting…lol sound like chelski fan….lol!
Absolutely fucking disgraceful, no-one in a red shirt today have earnt their wages for the week. If I could fine the players a week’s wage I would.
How a team with the likes of Brown, Evans, Anderson, Rooney and Berbatov can’t beat a League 1 team at home is beyond belief.
Every time we’ve had a good performance and win that boosts my confidence along comes a shocking performance to drag my morale right back down!
ITV’s love-in about Leeds was also very annoying, constantly showing the away fans and not concentrating on the game plus commentators asking “how many minutes will be added on, guess to the nearest 5” – all fucking my off the whole game.
8 defeats now for the season (if you include the loss on penalties to Chelski) is no-where near good enough from a team of our calibre.
Chelski (Community Shield)
Burnley
Liverpool
Chelski (Premier League)
Besiktas
Aston Villa
Fulham
Leeds
Deary deary me, this defeat will hurt me long into the future!
berbatov should be put out to pasture..
will scott be keeping up his pr assault saying how fantastic he is..
he is not fit to wear the shirt…
wouldnt mind if he passed away and we could get the insurance money
fuck no ….wht an awful awful performance …fucking disgrace
rooney was so wasteful today …other than valencia no one played well today
Costas – that’s why we are going to lose to Milan if Fletch goes missing. at least we have a chance in the premiership where we can actually lose some.
no ?
0-1 besiktas (champions league)
0-1 aston villa (premier league)
0-1 leeds united (fa cup)
0-1 manchester city (carling cup)?
bad finishing, giving away ball too easily, no creativity.
ended up our quadruple chance in such a short time.
the defeat is probably a good sign for us so we can get more focus on the league games. i hope it stands for something good in future.
With regards to berbatov.
Today he is one of many that underperformed today and i have defended him to the hilt game after game.
Surly by god we are bound to see a game where berbatov looks really threatening.
Someone saind berbatov created chances today i dissagree……. He put some nice passes together but not in a position where you would say Certain goal.
Owen came on and looked more threatening than Berbatov.
Today i think Injuries and coming back from injuries cost us… No taking away this really hurts!
@trevor
Yeah. We shouldn’t change so many players at a time. We had players just coming back from injuries and shouldn’t rush them back. I think Sir Alex underestimate the opponents and wants to give those players a chance. Sometimes i am thinking all those in form players are not playing a lot of matches and yet Sir Alex wants to rest them. Is footballer so easy to get tired? Our midfielder should not be rested too much. It’s the forward that are more tired. Rooney was tired which i can understand because he plays all the game.
@bchilds
The worst part? We haven’t scored in any of the 7 defeats. If a game goes wrong we have a hard time turning it around. And unlike the Villa game, we can’t say that they parked the bus.
great game of football, trilling. only problem is we lost, damn it. can’t believe it. leeds were really up for this game.
come on, pick urself up lads, we have man shitty next week.
this season so far really hasnt been what we used to in the past few years.
rough ride. got to bite our teeth & get behind ê team.
good nite guys. guess wont be sleeping much today.
Costas
We need to invest in some quality new players. Which other team would sell for £80m and invest under a fourth of it? Only us, because Glazer has fucked us over and we’re in bad shape economically. We’ve done well in recent years in spite of them, not because of, like Fergie seems to think sometimes (because he says it’s less complicated completing transfers now).
lol keanesmagichat, harsh on berbatov although between him and anderson im glad it was sylvestre we signed
Berbatov is just plain worthless. Paying 3O mil for a player who was suppose to score goals seems to be bad investment. Berbatov costs more than andy cole(7 mil) and ruud (19 mil) combined yet the return pales in comparison with the two legends. I think Fergie needs to take a look in the make up of team. The team lacks a goal scoring threat outside of rooney, consistency in defence (new goalkeeper perhaps) and creativity in midfield. I’ve watched this season’s games and I feel so frustrated with our play. Its not the old red devils that can over power teams. Old Trafford used to be a fortress, sowing fear to oppositions but now teams ain’t afraid of OT. When will the real Manchester United show up? We’re just two points adrift of Chelsea but Arsenal has a game on hand and if they can win they’ll be a point ahead of us pushing us to third. Points are precious nowaddays in the EPL, we need to play consistent and ruthless football if we want to win a fourth straight crown. I’m afraid if we can’t address our inconsistency we may not win anything this season. Hope that I’m wrong but signs are already there after beating the lights out of Wigan, we lost to Leeds in the FA cup…first time that MUFC under fergie has lost in the 3rd round of the FA cup…damn they’re 2 divisions lower than us…btw Gary Neville needs to hang up his boots…he can’t hack it anymore…
yes we were better all over the pitch, you guys never turned up. lucky we didn’t put two more past you and on ITV all you could hear was the yorkshire massive. i will be over your side of the pennines tommorrow laughing all day you should be able to spot me!
RRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Ha ha…Hilarious match
Funny watching you are pray for a dipper so save you?
If Gibson and Obertan are playing against City we might as well just forfeit and save us the trouble and humiliation of actually playing the tie. I can’t for the life of me see what it is that has got United fans so excited about this Obertan guy, though I would love to be proven wrong, obviously.And Gibson must be the laziest midfielder I’ve seen since Stefan Effenberg, and useless to boot. Really hope Fergie changes his mind about playing the youngsters against City after this pathetic excuse for a performance. I can’t stand the thought of being thrashed by City on top of this horrorshow.
Corea
Yeah, I still feel we have a chance in the premiership. It’s 18 games and we can play our best 11 every week(no FA cup anymore too). But the days of making 5-6 changes to the team and expecting us to play the same are gone. Sadly.
Didnt Bacon face say you were gonna win the lot this season? We will knock you out in midweek….Bet your Singaporean mortgage on it
I do think we lack some power on the front. Berbatov is gonna go. I cann’t defend him anymore. Rooney had a poor game because he is tired. But berbatov can’t always play like this with so many games. He can’t create chance or take the chances himself. We should sell him this coming summer. I been patient with him for the past 1 and half years.
Owen has got to go in this transfer window, I don’t even what him to come under consideration for selection.
@ Keano
Just like the original Mr Keane – absoultely fucking spot on!!!
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The invincibility we once had is now long gone – absolute disgraceful performance but we’ve seen too many of them this season – Fergie, you really need to sort this bunch out sharpish and please do something this month transfer wise – hopefully G****r the yank fcuk will see sense and god damned spend !
fair play to leeds. and as much as i love gary neville, he’s done. please sell him. i dont understand why rafeal after that game against wigan is not given a run.
the only good thing i can hope for is some nice good signing in jan and a backlash against citeh
Wonder how long Scott will take to ban me? Dont like other fans on here do you all? What time is it in Malaysia now?
Dont worry, that 600M Bond issue will save you…..Dont you just love these arabs????
This is fucking disgraceful. Fergie and his players should really, really be ashamed. Even if we win everything else this season, it won’t take away the hurt that I am feeling now.
To lose against third division scum, is fucking unbelievable.
People can say as much as they want about how classy Berba is, what we really need is someone who can bang some goals. A goal machine that’s what we need.
If we are to play some young player why not use Macheda instead.
Berbatov doesn’t seem to be worth the 30 million we paid for him. Returns of 14 goals in his first season and 6 thus far is a waste. January transfer window looks like a good option at the moment…we need to regroup for the semi-finals against City as well…
it was a mistake playing a reserve midfield. The arrogance of fergie is starting to piss me off, yet again underestimating the underdogs, i know how he likes to promote the youth ranks, but in a game like today we should be playing full strength, unless he’s saving that for city. But he’s already said he’s sticking with the kids.
After today though I dont think he will.
On my birthday too. 23 today and this is what I get.
I hate to lose Leeds, specially at home!
Foreign players don’t know how much this means to us!!
Players don’t up for it!!
They must be chopped! Bring new flesh!
Well done leeds. I am speechless. As a knee jerk reaction, my thoughts on this:
a) Happy New Year my arse!
b) We have no squad depth – absolutely none, given our expectations to challenge at multiple fronts.If this result does not lead us to dip into the transfer market with some strategic buys, we will be in trouble, both in the league and in the champions league.
c) SAF has been caught out too often in big matches against big rivals recently – Liverpool (repeatedly), Chelsea (almost as frequent), Arsenal, and now Leeds. I worry about SAF teams in these big games – either he’s missing a few tricks, or our team just doesn’t have the bottle – take your pick.
d) I don’t mind our kids being played and being thrashed – thats part of the learning process. I wouldn’t really have minded if welbeck and obertan stayed on – they played no worse than anyone else. BUT, Gary Neville staying on to me is just bollocks.
e) An overreaction here – but G. Neville is quite likely the most infuriating player we’ve ever had. I’ve seen Giggsy and Scholesey have bad games this season, I’ve seen Keane and Cantona having poor games, but I’ve never hated them for it. G. Neville I did today – maybe it is to with the fact that the rest (barring Keano I guess) have this humility and class about them. This is just a rant though. Fuck this…
Costas – yea it is a worrying stat. united are not playing well and when things go against united especially when teams are well orginised we have no idea how to break them down. and why in the hell did kuszsec come out brown had him covered he basically give away the entire goal.
@Nectarine
Touchy subject mate. I made a noise about the Ronaldo money last summer, but I reluctantly accepted Fergie’s reasoning. It’s very possible that the money have gone to the debt. In my opinion, the team we are building this season was only strong enough for the Premiership. That was my main focus all along. We lost today, but who’s to say we wouldn’t have been knocked out in 2-3 rounds anyway?
@Hoosbuster:
What are you talking about? Owen was more threatening than Berba thats for sure.
@arsene (fuckface) wenger
How sad to be an arse-fan commenting on a united fan blog.
Go find ya self a trophie mate, has been a few years right? You have to be thankfull though; now United has been eliminated by leeds you might have chance to win something this year.
toby
That IS a shit birthday. Might I suggest getting shitfaced? I know I want too.
Happy birthday anyway.
Leeds were in good form but we were dreadful. Gibson continually gave the ball away. While he plays like shit Anderson is taken off when he had a decent game and at the very least broke things up consistently. Gibson was constantly caught out of position and we paid for it time and time again. Further, his passing was absolutely dreadful and he consistently tried to play a ball over the top of the left back to Valencia and not ONCE did it work. Instead of learning from that mistake he tried and tried again.
Berbatov was again nearly invisible and he is a thorn in the team at this point. I say we let him have surgery and get him away for a couple months. He plays like absolute shit today and then has the audacity to yell at Valencia for not getting to his poor ass header. For some reason he feels entitled to yell and scream at players when he has not earned that right with the quality of his play. I know he is a fantastic player we just have not seen the best of but he couldn’t put a foot right today and he needs to find some consistency.
Owen miss kicks it again. Rooney was good in the first and forced out of position in the second. Valencia played well and was the only good thing to come out of the game. Someone on this team needs to take ownership and far too often it is left to Rooney. For years we have made fun of Liverpool for being a 1 man (Gerrard) team. We are now a 1 man (Rooney) team and it scares the day lights out of me. United must bring someone in who can score consistently. We need that bit of quality up front that Rooney possess and/or need to play a better center midfield pairing.
Further I just do not understand the substitutions. I know we should never question Fergie and I am sure he has good reasons but Gibson for me was the WORST player on the pitch next to Berbatov. Anderson made some mistakes no doubt but he was not as consistently poor as Gibson.
In the long run I do not care that much about the FA cup but I hate seeing our boys play like boys. We are scarily inconsistent and too many people on our team wait for Rooney to rescue us. We played a team who we should have easily put three by and we can’t manage good chances until the last 10 minutes of the match. We deserved to lose and we deserved to be knocked out. It was an embarrassing performance and today I am embarrassed to have been part of it as a fan.
As much as it pains me to say this.
Leeds deserved the win.
They were hungrier for it and had the better chances.
PIG was too static for the leeds goal.
Beckford had Wes in his pocket. Johnny did well coming back from injury.
Neville should have been better today. Fabio was ok .
Obertan was alright but Welbeck should not be played as a winger especially not on the left.
Valencia and giggs were vast improvements.
Gibson should have come off instead of Anderson.
Berbatov and Rooney wouldn’t have scored if there were still playing now.
The ref was ok considering the heated atmosphere but he missed the foul on Owen on the edge of Leeds box.
Bad day at the office.
Onwards to citeh on Wednesday and a much improved performance
But maybe.. I said maybe.. with this lost, Sir Alex would consider spending in January window.. but meh.. wishful thinking
Fucking disgrace. Fergie to go at end of season. He`s buyin the wrong players and pickin the wrong teams. Neville should be outside selling programmes. Why not have left wellbeck on and taken off Berbatov? Neville was so poor he made the rest of the back 4 nervous, standin 10 yards off players for example
Okay now I’ve stopped vomiting and beating my head against the wall screaming, “WHHHHHHHHHY?” I’ll try to post something coherent.
United made a huge number of mistakes. Absolutely huge. To an extent that goes with the turf on a rotated squad. No squad in history has been able to be rotated without losing the edge as a result. It’s why most managers get the piss taken for doing it. Still it was really bad today.
Leeds were immense. Credit where it is due they did -exactly- what any club big or small needs to on a visit to Old Trafford, take the chances when they come and fight for the ball all over the park. They didn’t do it with the finesse of a premiership side, but they didn’t have to.
Getting vitriolic about our players helps nobody right now to be honest because though the final touch was lacking we created a shitload of chances, on another day there would have been goals all over the place. I thought some of the lads, Anderson particularly, really got stuck in as they needed to.
My main concern really is seeing our passing game in such a mess. When it works United’s short passing is almost unplayable, cuts through anything, when it doesn’t we don’t seem to have a plan B.
mambo jambo its ok, take it out on me
what a fucking embarrassment. we need a goalscorer and fast. any united team of old during the noughties would have buried that leeds team with ease, and that includes a team full of bellions, klebersons, djemba-djembas and millers.
This is just another example of us having a poor,understrength squad – we should be able to put out a third choice team against a League 1 team at home and win – Time for us to spend the Ronaldo money on:
1. a proven goal scorer
2. a bit of flair and steel for the midfield
3. a ready made replacement for VDS
and please no more of these “exciting young” or “future stars” we have a knack of in the past few years
@Kevin
SPOT the effin ON you are!
The berba case when he yelled to Valencia was just as f*ck as he is.
Thank god its january! How Welback got a new contract is amazing! He is never going to be a good player no matter how long we give him! Berbatov is about as much of a waste of 30million as Veron was! He doesn’t score, he has started to stop assisting and now he doesn’t even try. Its embarrassing to call him a United player. One flash of brilliance by putting it through a League 1 players legs isn’t enough to justify 30million. We need a goal scorer, Owen looks weak at the best of times however he has earnt his money by scoring against City. We need a goal scorer a Ruud character! We need to sort it out in January before its too late. Its lucky that others are throwing the league away because if this was a season like the past we would be long gone! Saying all that at the end of the day Fergie knows what he is doing! We’ll never die, we’ll never die, We’ll never die, we’ll never die, We’ll keep the Red flag flying high, ‘Cos Man United will never die.
Neville, Gibson, Nani out
Villa, Silva in
loan welbeck out, he’s not united quality.
we were totally crap today, brown struggled so badly against L1 striker its unbelievable.
So now we want Fergie to leave at the end of the season? And bring in who?
Guys I get the complaints about Gary Neville. However, he is 35 now and he was injured for a month. Don’t expect big things from him anymore. However, it’s insulting to suggest to players like him to quit. No matter how shit he was today, he has been a legend for United and he deserves better.
I was listening and watching MUTV an this fan his name was richard he said sir alex ferguson should go what a joke, we lost to leeds its a bad result we were bad but it is not the end of the world. if united win the premiership I will be happy because the team does need some players.
Lads,
I think our players and manager are feeling it just as bad.
This feels simular to rome, although with rome we didnt have any excuses.
With regards to the team we fielded i still think we had enough quality on the pitch to win.
I do feel rooney and berbatov need rotation, today owen and berbatov should have started with Rooney on the Bench.
For me Carrick and Gibson or Anderson should have been in midfield.
Our defence was picked by itself and hurt us today. TOo many players playing without match fitness!
The only plus i can take from this is that it will give us extra time to rest and prepare for the League and Champions league.
can we now please stop with this deluded rubbish that danny fukin welbeck is or will ever be a MANCHESTER UNITED forward,i will repeat that with a reminder who preseeds him BEST,CHARLTON,LAW,CANTONA,VAN THE MAN ,ETC,need i really carry on,does any body really think he will achieve the levels of these players ,if the answer is no HE IS NOT A MANCHESTER UNITED FORWARD!!!!!!!! when did some united fans start settling for any less than the best. I AM TRULY EMBARRESD BY OUR PERFORMANCE TODAY,THEY ARE A 3RD DIVISION TEAM
Leeds were good. we were complacent from the start and simply poor.
Really,neville was terribly poor.He’s nearly lost all his pace and gave the ball SO cheaply and passing was pure atrocity.I don’t know if i’m saying this on impulse, but i think it’s time for him to hang up his boots.Giggsy’s and Scholesy’s poorest games aren’t this bad as neville’s
Gibson was as bad.obertan and welback too.
i think i can’t survive without seeing Fletcher in the line up.
I can’t really blame Rooney and Berbatov too much cos the midfield was too poor,our forwards possibly couldn’t get much supply.But for Rooney’s missed efforts,i guess we were meant not to have any luck at all today.
The last few minutes after the subs seemed like an equaliser was inevitable, but just wasn’t to be.and I cringe at the thought of what Valencia would have created had he had started.
Seriously,we can’t do anything else but blame ourselves can we?Cos there’s no reason to lose at home,in the 3rd round of the FA cup,with a relatively senior side, to a 3rd divison side whom we loathe.
Thankfully there’s a game in 3 days.
Fuck, i cant believe we lost to fucking LEEDS! I swear this is MUCH worse than losing 4-1 to the dippers. That was an embarrassing first half performance. I honestly think Fergie cocked it up with the team selection. Scholes and Giggs should of started . Not that wank of a midfield that were completely outclassed by Leeds. Welbeck was embarrassing to watch, Andersons shootings i dont even want to comment. Im pissed because WE ALL KNOW we could of merked those fuckers. BUT we didnt. The second half performance was MUCH better.
PIG- Hesitated for the goal. Should of came out much earlier.
Evans- Didnt help Brown defensivley.
Brown- Struggled with Beckford’s pace.
Fabio- His crossing was awful, but he was ok at the back.
Neville- Is evidently not the player he was 4/3 years ago.
Gibson and Anderson.. SHOULD never be allowed to PLAY TOGETHER AGAIN. They got lucky against Spurs, who didnt take their chances. But for me they simply do not work well together.
Welbeck- Fergie completely over-estimates his quality. I dont rate this guy at all. Wheres Kiko?
Obertan- Was as frustrating to watch as Nani.
Rooney- Did everything well, except putting the ball at the back of the net.
Berba- Few good touches, but didnt make much of an impact (as usual)
UGHH! We really NEED to beat City on Wednesday.
arsene wenger
Things get tense after a defeat to a local team mate. I am pulling my hair out by some of the things i am reading.
@ Costas
It would seem like you were correct in your prediction. I’ve been pretty optimistic this season because we’ve played well on occasion and scored more goals than last year but then every time I get my hopes up we suffer a defeat where we just capitulate and can’t do anything to turn the game around. But after this I’ll just be happy if we can have a decent go at the title with our best team. I think (sadly) we have no chance in Europe.
But we should beat League One Leeds any day of the week regardless. I can’t get over the performance we just displayed. Very very worrying. I don’t want to lose to Milan again. If we are this spineless without Vidic and Fletcher in the central line I’m praying that they don’t injured!
@Kevin
Totally agree with you. Anderson play well and had more physical power and energy and split passing. I was shock to see him off. Owen should have score but that was only he was just subbed on and he got a chance. Berbatov had a whole game and no chance on goal and he yell at Valencia. I said before i hate to see this happening and who gives the right to him for yelling at players when he didn’t play well and looks invisible the whole game.
We need ronaldo.
End
Sketch – welbeck will be an awesome player but he is 18 for christ sake. did ronaldo score 42 goals in one season at 18
costas,i understand fully, but first you gotta ask whats worse, not winning the f.acup orlosin to leeds, see the f.a cup just isnt worth it when your squad is already full of injurys, no one likeslosin to a rival but hey id rather lose to west ham than end up with a replay
LOL with regards to the fergie should go comment jesus christ!
What we all have to do is put this into perspective.
Yes it was a bad result but life goes on.
Without injury we do have a good team, which i feel is bordering on great!
For me i always accepted we might have a building year after loosing ronaldo and specialy as the Transfer market went pear shaped!
Fergie is not stupid and i really trust him with our money!
In the summer and this January is not good value for money, I dont want the club towaste money and pay over the odds on players when they dont really have too!
We could go out and splash 80 mill on players where in the summer we could only spend 55 mil and in addition get another player!
I honestly think at united some fans have forgotten the days of 26 years wihtout winning the league and need to learn to accept bitter defeat and the joy of bouncing back as fergies teams always do!
Its who lifts trophys at the end of the season and inthe last 20 years we have done the best in uk and britton!
lyndhurst –
I don’t think we have a weak squad talent wise but mentally I think we do. We get rattled easily and look to Rooney to solve it nearly every time.
I also think your underestimating what this game meant to Leeds. We all had the wrong attitude going in. Everyone thought we would just walk through them and their talented players stood up. The stayed organized and forced us to take our chances which we didn’t. Just because they are in League 1 does not mean they can’t give us a game, granted we should have won the game, but Leeds played a great game and their keeper made some huge saves.
I thought Anderson played really well. He consistently broke up play and played a simple passing game. While Gibson continually over ran the ball and continually gave the ball away. I just disagree with the substituting Fergie did.
What I really hate to see is how we can not counter attack anymore. There is no pace to our passing and no urgency to our attack. We think by showing up it will be enough but some of you have said it best, the passing must be fixed and fixed fast. Might help if charter ball Gibson isn’t played until he sorts it out.
Can we all shut up about fergie leaving. That is not a fucking option…That being said he has screwed up royally on several occasions involving derbies or knockout competitions. Maybe there needs to be a change in the staff around SAF, maybe a new asst. manager who can be groomed into being his successor.
Loads of good mangers out there, Guardiola and Blanc. Even go after Capello or LIppi after the world cup. Playin for United means you have to play at a high level every week cause everyone wants to beat us. Neville can`t hit that level anymore he`s been piss poor since he came back from that injury. 18 months out of the game is too much for someone of his age
What happened to United?!!! Where is the burning desire to win?!!! Hope Fergie will get everything straight on the next game. Gosh…. And the worst part is the Champion of England got beaten by that low division scum at their home ground.
Hope this “slap-in-the-face” will wake them up…
You all see where ” we all hate leeds….” has led us such bitterness and arrogance.Plus fergie believes he doesn’t need to shore up in January.fingers crossed.Is someone missing cristiano and tevez now(remember he’s banging in the goals now).My God,no one player to rely on these days,rooney? please don’t kill the boy.if someone is still deceived ,i am not,i want us to win more laurels but with the current squad,i doubt.Rooney is the only feared player we have and when he has an off day,we are stuck,berbatov….hmmmm.and how long are we going to expect giggs to run down the wings like an energetic teen,the rear guard is plagued with injuries,the midfield lacks creativity,we keep making elementary and annoying mistakes.fergie believes still in this squad and requires no addition,cool dream on.
I don’t care how many ‘good’ managers are out there. SAF will now go when he says it time, he cannot be fired, simple as that. It will be the height of disrespect who has taken the club where it now stands, and who so close to retirement. If he gets fired as some people here are demanding, I for one will lose a lot of respect for the club I love.
rooney the new king
ronaldo at 18 was a hell of a lot more promising than welbeck is now, come on!
it is quiet simple sacking ferguson is not an option to anyoen including that richard from manchester who commented on MUTV. people forget man utd are currently still the premiership champions.
arsene wenger
For me, the FA cup was a long shot this season. So in a way, better get it out of the way now. However, I don’t live in Manchester and I can’t relate to how much fellow United fans who live there are hurting right now. What I want is to have some common sense even in these hard times.
Nectarine
I hope the squad pulls together for the league and Europe and we can manage to balance both competitions. And then in the summer, Fergie can take a long hard look at his squad and see who he can depend on.
serious loyalty issues going on, fergie could have taken any job out there over the last 15 years, shit he could even have quit with a full set of medals and gone back to aberdeen and dominated the old firm 2, where the loyalty?
only two players that played today were Fabio and Evans.
where was fletcher?! is he playing midweek? probably not so why didnt he get a start?
i cant think of a worse united performance.
im sorry but i really feel we are going to end up potless this season.
we have just had 3 amazing seasons so its not a diasater but united MUST buy somebody or the season is going no where
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NOT LEEDS !
We have arguably our 2 of our top 3 hated clubs in less than 7 days and we start it with a loss against a team 40+ places againts us.
Rooney, control always fabulous, shot lets us down. Please Fergy get a creative midfielder like the team we had 1999, Fletcher need to be there.
If Silva/Di Maria are available for less than 30m, snap em up, we are really in need of a remodel, we cant get a string of decent games, we alwyas rely on Rooney to play well, if he doesnt play well, we dont play well.
Maybe im being too drastic, my emotions getting ahead of me after this game but …
The only posotive I can take is that we wont be getting players tired for the FA Cup games and we can concentrate on the league
The Fergie comments about him needing to leave our ridiculous but his subbing was dreadful. I think some of you once you get away from the result will see that. He made poor decisions but the players on the pitch should still have won.There are good managers available but I would still not choose them over Fergie. He made this club into what it is and he gets it right more often then not.
Neville was poor but he was coming back from an injury.
I am glad some of you agree with my Berba comment. He does it game in game out and the only goals he has been able to score of late have been presented to him on a silver platter. Shut up and PLAY BERBA! So far you have been a waste of 32 million!
I’m pissed off too, but shut up about bringing a new manager in. That’s not the issue here and we should be thankful for every day Fergie’s got left in him. The mentality and strenght of the squad is the issue here.
Don’t you even dare say fergie deserves the sack!
The one who needs the sackings are the fans who have NO respect for the club due to one result
Keep this in your head you plastic fans
**WE’LL NEVER DIE**
Also, I don’t see how we can not buy in january. Imagine rooney gets injured for a month – and he’s somehow gone without a long term one this season. our season will be completely fucked..
Guys, i feel that we shouldn’t ask Fergie to go. We can blame the players but after so many years of success, i couldn’t blame fergie although he is at wrong many times this season. We eed a proven goal scorer who can score goals consistently. I won’t blame the defenders for having a tough time because they just came back from injuries. The keeper did his best. It’s Brown fault for letting opponent pass him. Neville is 35 years old so we shouldn’t expect much from him and he too is coming back from injuries and lack fitness. It’s the midfield and attack areas where we need improvement. I don’t want superstars players but i want the team to be invincible that all teams are afraid of us. If we had a Champions Final against Barcelona again, i don’t think we can win them. Nani, gibson, welbeck should be sold or loan out. They need more experience and game to help them. We shouldn’t rest so many players at one go. I expect fergie to put out youngster again against Man City. We need owen to get more playing time and not welbeck. No one agree with me and said we need to grown our youngster. We can grown them when we are more stronger in the team. Not now.
When was the last time they have won at OT? another record gone, by one goal only. It happened in the CL this season, we lost our unbeaten home record losing 1-0. One goal. Records dont mean much but they are still something to be proud of, and we lost many of records in one season.
We just dont look like we are going to score after we concede; we waste corners, shit final ball, lose possession constantly, defence looks shaky. We dont recover. It happened in rome, at anfield this season, villa at home, at stamford bridge (although we should have won that game, if it wasnt for the refs decisions.)
I think Fergie really has mellowed more than we think he has. If he gave the players a talking to at HT, it didnt seem like it had much effect. Did he shout in their faces and kick things around and repeated the importance of winning this game? I wish I was a shoe in the dressing room. After losing the way we did in the Cl final, the players should have realised to not take anything for granted. Everyone thought we would win, because barcelona had defenders out. We underestimated them. Although Leeds are not even a championship side, the players should have expected them to be up for it and know that Graysons players will play the game of their lives. Again, we underestimated them far too much.
The side Fergie put out today was a very strong side. We should have beaten them. We were full of confidence after thrashing wigan, ffs. Tbh, I though we dominated large chunks of the game. Our main problem was the waste of corners and shit final ball. Again Berbatov and Rooney dropped too deep. That costs us games, and will lose us more games if one of them dont stay in the box. If there is no one upfront to recieve the ball in each game they start together, how the fuck will we score and get points in the league?
I feel sorry for the kids who played today. This is another FA cup tie they have lost. I hope it does more good than harm to them, and they have experienced what it is like to play against rivals. It is too early to write them off, they played at home infront of 70,000 fans in an important fixture so they cant be blamed. However, Welbeck is being wasted playing on the wing. Gibson will need to improve his passing. Fabio imo did okay today, so did Obertan.
I am sure many of us are disappointed. It is embarrassing and humilating to lose against them at home. I hope we can now focus on the league and go on a winning run.
f**kin hell!! we are totally crap today as a team and individually… maybe this group of players doesn’t hate Leeds SCUM as much as past players… F**K!!!
I know we’re gonna lose the game since the 1st half… My friends are making a stupid joke on United now… I’m going to beat the shit out of them!!!
I’m now going to jump off my balcony! We go from Wigan to this. The passing was terrible, so many wasted chances, wasted passes. Valencia should of been in earlier feeding crosses. Our attacking was straight shit. And now we got city ahead. It seems on our big Rival games we just breakdown. Time for another beer and to drown our sorrows.. Come on you Reds lets step it up!!!
Lets pull it together boys! Fuck the Scum let them have their dinner. lets put it behind us and bury this match in a deep dark distant cave in us all.
Mahesh
Exactly. Ferguson and certain players have earned the right to say when their time is up. I don’t care if God himself is available to manage us, Fergie won’t be forced to leave. End of.
costas i understand, i feel that there was a lack of fight from a few players and a couple big money players didnt show up but the fact is there is a bright side because its a massive kick in the ass and there was no further injurys, lets be honest leeds suprised everyone, i thought they would turn up and look like a bunch of bus drivers havin a lunchtime kickabout,i think even a few man united players fell into the trap
rooney the new king
I know he is extremely young which is why exactly i think he should be loaned out. I personally think that Kiko is by far the better player out of the two yet i hear rumors about him getting loaned out. Why?
@ Kevin
I couldnt agree more. We simply can not counter attack anymore. We completely underestimated leeds, in terms of our play. Just look at Rooneys early miss in the first half. I honestly think that Fergie should spend money on an attacking midfielder and a defender. Looking at the ABU’s comments about the game is hilarious. I dont think they have been watching the game properly. We didnt just roll over to Leeds like they are making it out to seem. A bit of advice, do NOT go on BBC sport.
Kevin
I’ve defended Berbatov since he came and obviously he’s got class, but if that’s the way he’s going to play and behave for us he can fuck right off. I’ve lost patience with him. He’s playing at maybe 20% of his Tottenham level and still acts like he is top dog and has any right to slag Valencia off. Valencia has more goals than you from a very traditional winger’s role Dimitar! Start getting into scoring positions and putting some away and then you can talk.
Disappointing result but we have to agree Leeds deserved the win. They were by far the better side.We did not start playing until the 90 mins.Inconsistency has been the story of our season so far and it continues just as we thought we had hit top gear after getting 2 good results in a row.
No need to keep on individually slagging players because everyone was poor today apart from valencia when he came on.Evra, fletch and carrick were rested but lets be fair, this side should have been good enough to get a result.The fact is we lost just 7 games all of last season.This is already our 7th defeat and we are only half way through the season(excluding the community shield).
Now looking forward, my view is we should play all young lads for city. cant be bothered about the carling cup.Surely not as bad as losing to your rivals who play in league 1. the likes of gill,norwood, tosic should get starts on wed and all seniors should be rested so that we can concentrate solely on the league and the Champions league. Many of you will disagree but thats the way i feel.Carling Cup games are a nuisance because they come in midweek while FA Cup ties come at the weekend so they do not affect that much physically. We have to play against Birmingham on Saturday which is a more important game
Fze123
Leeds hadn’t won at OT since 82. Villa hadn’t won at OT since 83. That’s a nasty trend we have started this season.
There is no passing, dribble, decent cross or defense whatsoever! They have one striker and our defense collapse every time they hit the long ball towards him! What’s going on here?
Mid fielder don’t even move ! Gibson, Anderson, they bloody waited for the ball to find them.. can’t do the forward pass!
Even if they did, Barba don’t move to collect the ball.. he looks like he wanted the ball packed and deliver by UPS or something! He is utter useless!!
Welbeck, fucking young lad, who doesn’t know how to run!! They way he run like slow motion!
Bottom line is no control in middle.. When defense lucky enough able to clear the ball, but no fucking adnerson or gibson to collect the ball…where’s the fucking are they… one too eager to go forward and one to keen on to shoot ..fucking everytime…
Gary, please give us favor… retire…! Fabio, no..you are not deserve to play like this! As well as Obertan… Here is not easy place to earn fucking decent money for just playing crap football… Go find somewhere else if you can play the standard….
They don’t fucking know how much this match mean to me!! Fergie should come out and say sorry to the funs!!!
We can’t query Sir Alex’s team selection cos there’s no excuse for the players on the pitch to not win the game.Every game we’ve lost this season,is when the opponents score first,if i’m not wrong.How can we actually go 90 mins not scoring or even equalising at OT when we’re behind?
@Kevin
I’m another one who agrees with your Berba comment.I love the guy,but yeah, all the goals he’s scored have been literally given to him.He says he’s feeling the pressure of the price tag, but where’s the action on the pitch.
fergie doesnt need to go, but he does need a better assistant.
arsene wenger
Without a doubt there was complacency in our ranks. We were waiting for this game because we were expecting an exhibition. They were coming for a fight. They had been waiting for this for 6 years since their plight begun. And in the FA cup anything can happen.
Completely agree with Costas, Arsene Wenger et. al. On reflection I had serious doubts about us winning the FA Cup anyways – for that matter us winning any knockout cup. If we had to go out, now was the time – although going out to Leeds hurts. I don’t care about the League Cup and there I think the young lads deserve an outing – even if it is City. Our choice first team needs to focus only on the league (priority) and the Champions League.
congrats to leeds, u deserved that result so well done. Shit start to new year. In shock and can’t raise a smile. Disappointed wi so many players today. Wouldn’t like to be in the dressing room after that shambles
doncobaino
I wish Fergie saw it that way too. He has stuck with Phelan for over a year now. He probably feels that whoever comes in as number 2 will want to be considered as a prime candidate to replace him.
Squarely blame the players
Shocking but it happens
After the leeds goal something happened in my head
Yep it was Portsmouth and Everton all over again – chance after chance – but the goal would not go in.
It happened again – it will continue to happen too.
Let’s see how the team react. It could be devastating – it could be uplifting.
We usually have one of these matches a season – we have had more than one – Chelsea was the other one – however that game we battered them – this game we were poor – all round poor.
Leeds fans can laugh on and blah blah blah – tell me exactly what have they won and where are they?
Good luck to them – and we better buckle up
Fergie needs to sort Rooney and Berba out, if we want to score goals. because at the moment it just doesnt look like we can bounce back from 1-0s and thats in front of the old trafford crowd. They drop way too deep for my liking, and its quite obvious that Berba hasnt got pace. He needs to lead the line, and for that to happen they need a creative attacking midfielder pulling the strings. Carrick/Ando/Gibson are not. Scholes is the closest thing we have and he sadly cant start every game for us.
Those saying Fergie needs to leave might as well go support Chelsea where you get a variety of managers every once in a while.
@Kevin said:
The team we played today were all 1st team squad players – but fact was we were not able to compete against a league 1 team, yes Leeeds were up
for it but the question is why were we not up for it.
I agree we are mentally not as strong as Leeds but that is exactly my point
were was the leadership today, who stepped up to the plate to sort the midfield out and when we do get a half chance we have nobody to take it
Oh for a Keano or another R.V.N.
Fact is our squad needs to be strengthened with proven quality – yes there is a place for the Wellbacks, Machadas etc but they are just kids who are a few years away yet
we have won the title 3 years in a row!!! we won the league cup last season and nearly ended up in the FA cup final. we won the CL the season before….we are in the semifinal of the league cup, 2 points from the top of the league, in the CL round of 16 and have been dealing with more injuries than anyone.
we need to move on from this match, move on from all the ronaldo/tevez crap. Fergie is the leader and our players need to respond.
MG
One of the best posts of the day. I actually thought about it myself. Leeds will enjoy their big day and rightfully so. But tomorrow when they wake up, they will still be in League One.
I hope we get a good response on Wednesday. When City won at OT we responded by hammering Arsenal, so here’s hoping.
alex is god-
I do disagree. While some players did play like shit (Berba, Gibson, Neville) others played rather well but were taken off (Wellbeck and Anderson). I do not understand that. When I saw Giggs and Valencia I was hoping Obertan and Gibson would be pulled off and Giggs would play in the middle and move Wellbeck to the left. Wellbeck got into scoring positions but just didn’t put them away. His pace would have helped in beating defenders which we completely lacked on the left side of midfield today.
I do agree in resting our players and deciding our priorities but United are already planning on resting players. However if it is too young of a squad and we got dismantled it won’t help those young lads confidence much.
I also agree with your point about us “thinking” we were in top gear. I remember reading how we slip into top gear and I remember thinking really? Have we? I think the players and many fans felt its a League 1 side, we should win. These teams live for a chance at United and feel they have nothing to lose which is a dangerous combination.
It is time to refocus and move on but that performance was simply embarrassing for anyone affiliated with United.
was kinda disgusted at Berba scream at Valencia.Valencia was like a 9/10 and berba was kinda too poor to rate.
Positive side.i love Valencia.
@Sketch
Fergie made a few comments about the attack yesterday. He said that Michael won’t start many games because he plays in the same position as Rooney. Meaning, that Fergie wants Rooney to lead the line and Berba drop deep. Personally, I fully disagree with that. Berbatov should lead the line to cover up for his lack of pace.
When TheLads lose this kind of game there is really no reason to finger-point at the usual suspects. More than anything, this match – coming so soon after the demolition of Wigan – showed the season-long (and season-defining ?) inconsistency of UTD’s attack.
It was a cracking FACup-tie and Leeds not only scored one goal but they came very, very close two more times – they were deserved winners and deserve our congratulations, even if we have to grind our teeth while doing so. Beyond those platitudes, I’m actually not much bothered about losing this game in this way. For me, the key silverware is the glorious 19th EPL first, the fourth CL after that followed by the domestic cup ties – and I’d willingly take a loss to Shitty IF that guaranteed victory in the two other competitions. I doubt that SAF would share these sentiments !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dalg66KL2gA
Let Leeds celebrate their champions league victory. They wont won it. Fuck them, I will even cheer on the gooners/rentboys if they somehow reach the FA cup final and play against Leeds.
What we lacked today:
-Desire
-Steel in midfield
-Fully fit defence
-Fergie’s hairdryer
Jayunited4eva: “was kinda disgusted at Berba scream at Valencia.Valencia was like a 9/10 and berba was kinda too poor to rate.”
AND, I witnessed Valencia use his left foot too !
costas, you hit the nail on the head anything can happen in the f.a cup, thats why its great, it dont matter what team you put out because its a one off you can win it with luck, the hardest thing in football is consistency and you dont need that for the cups but end of the day whoever finds consistency first will win the big one domestically,so fuck the f.a cup
@ Costas
Thanks for the stats. Losing all these records in one season is worrying tbh.
how can this be happening? beaten in our own back yard by a gang of fucking sheep shagging village people. this kind of result is happening much to often, including charity shield this is our 8th defeat of the season. for manchester united this is inexcusable . some of the players currently playing for united are pure cack. berbatov a united player? . 30 million for a striker who cant score goals. how on earth can gary neville still be playing for man utd ? his display today against a league 2 winger was atrocious.if fucking jermaine beckford tore wes brown apart what will adebayor do to him on wednesday? theres no creativity throughout the team and it shows a lot when we’re still relying on 35 year old ryan giggs to bail us out. we’re very lucky that this season the rest of the big 4 are also shite or we would be struggling to make the european cup. im now very worried about the rest of the season, man city could very well murder us on wednesday . i hope fergie can turn this around but im very worried
fuck me…did i really read correctly bout true blue mancs fuckin rooney up just becoz of miss chances?? well fuck you all!! wayne was the only one fighting for game. did ya see how much ground he covered, huffing n puffing to get back into e game! e only thing tt was missing was his scoring boots. just a bad day at e office!! so this lad has to score every other fuckin game then he’s god. Somebody pls pls tell me tt Berba dont fit into our system n tt he’s better off somewhere. Its been 2 seasons n I dont have any patience for him. He aint a fighter. Jus a swagger bout him but aint nothin to crow bout.
I really hope this defeat will just rekindle every inch of energy from our lads to come out and play once again.
This defeat might just open the door for some world class players to arrive.
Such a depressing day.
like I said before sacking fergie is not ann option. What I would love is seeing the end of the cancer pprofit stealing glazers, that is my new years wish is seeing the end of the glazers.
Ok people, have not read the comments but, does anyone know what happened to Vidic, Ferguson gave a strange answer when asked about it?
jermaine beckford is a hungry footballer with financial prizes still to play for,adebayor will stand still against united like he has done for a while, il lay money on it you lot will beat city
Macheda is GOD: “We need Ronaldo.” Please shut up!
leeds deserved it they tried to play football.
i still cant believe what i had seen. its much more worst that the performance in craven cottage. i cant remember last time we played as pathetic as this one.
my comments :
the bad – gaz had been really2 poor.he had been caught off guard by the first goal. he even cannot get back quick enough to deal with beckford and becchio. often caught off position. if only rafael start in his position, then it could possibly be different.
obertan – seem lost and didnt help much either. the changes when valancia came proved how poor he in the first half. probably he didnt suit to play on the right wing. placing him in the left could be more productive IMO.
gibbo – lost at times, where was his shooting boots? left somewhere?
ando – supposed to be the creative fulcrum, but getting lost. brilliant at times, but largely disappointing.
welbeck – overrated, he cant play as winger IMO
rooney – burden for him is too much to bear.
berba – i dont want to talk about him. disapointed by him
owen/giggsy/valencia – changed the game when they came on, but my God, owen should had scored…
the positive:
less game to think about. yes, i agreed with costas, its a long shot. with the crippling injury list, we had to priorities what we want to achieve. a creative midfielder is what we lacking at now. probably our gold partnership of central midfielder now are carrick and fletch. gaz could now be slowly phased out, give him a few minutes here and there to lessen his burden against speedy winger. i prefer rafael to be the mainstay at the right back position.obertan and welbeck need to be polished more if they ever want to be considered as a first team material. maybe its time to pluck another youngsters especially creative midfielder such as cleverly, petrucci and probably even morrison to give them more playing time.
deep down, its still hurt. hurt me to the core.
Costas
But that didnt happen did it? Rooney started drifting to the left and Berba did the same on the other side. This all happens because of the lack of service they get from our midfield. The worst part is this was not even our “kids” losing. It was our first team minus Fletcher, Carrick, Evra and Vida. We need to stop depending on Rooney always because the rest need to step it up. I still cant believe we lost to LEEDS!
Tony starks – what was this ‘strange answer’? because I have a suspicion that Real or Barca will push us for Vidic much sooner than this summer.
I am stunned, and not in a good way.
Even my shiny new Manchester United slippers are a source of depression.
F*CK!!!!
arsene wenger
I hope you are right about City. It’s just the League cup, but we have come so far.
And it’s not only the FA cup that can dish out shocks guys. In 95 we lost 3-0 to York at Old Trafford.
Disappointing really, after being so confident of United thrashing Leeds. Its unacceptable losing possession so easily, don’t think enough clear-cut chances were created, neither was the finishing any good. As others have mentioned, it’s a game where United just CAN’T find the way to put the ball in the back of the net! Full credit to Leeds though, ‘ARGHH’…they stood up to the challenge, put in a strong, tough display. Bad start to the year, but hopefully United can concentrate more on important trophies like the Premier League and Champions League.
Beckford’s a bit of a pain in the ass, falling constantly to absolutely no rough contact from Brown and Evans.
Valencia was best United player on the field, we get Evans back now, Rooney was EVERYWHERE! Other than that, not many real positives.
PLEASE take this disappointment and dump it all on Shity in the League cup!
@Mahesh
When asked about what was wrong with Vida, he just said he didn’t know, he said that twice.. not sure what to make of that personally – maybe Fergie was just frustrated with the performance.. said he was gona make changes for City game
@Sketch
No it didn’t happen? And how could it? As you said, the service from our midfield was poor and you can’t expect Rooney to sit up front and wait for the ball. It can’t happen. He will always track back to get involved. Maybe Owen should have started this game in the place of either Rooney or Berbatov. At least he would have stayed in front and kept their defenders busy.
Mahesh
I really hope he doesnt leave. Is that all because of his wife? Ugh, someone needs to tell that stupid bitch to shut up. We need him in the centre of our defence. Without him we couldnt even win any headers without conceding a foul.
Sketch – well the reality is we will depend on rooney this season until we can rebuild the side in the summer if we have any cash. but hey I am calm I think with everything the team has won I think they deserve a bit of slack after everything they have won, but we were bad today the passing was so bad at times.
kevin
i agree on that Welbeck looked our brightest player in the first half and should have stayed. Same with Anderson as he was atleast looking to get stuck in and win tackles unlike Gibson who should have come off.
The other thing about the team on Wednesday, it may not be good for the young lads but they have to realise they have been far too inconsistent and poor when they have got the chances.This is the time for them to show that they can be good enough for United .Somewhere down the line i feel bad for SAF because he placed faith in young lads and did not buy many players in the summer and the players like Ando,nani,welbeck ,gibson havent justified that so far
@Tony Starks
He said he didn’t know hey? That is worrying although i suspect that there wasn’t time to get an assesment from the medical stuff. However, it is worrying when Vidic starts getting pulled off games during the warm up. That’s usually the a sign of injury prone players.
Just check chelsea out,they are tearing watford apart.Leeds should have been mauled at old trafford.
lol costas no there wont be no suprises against city, im gonna put a bet on, fergie on tv looks pissed off,john hartson looks fucking great aswell
we should compete in the league cup, we made it to the semi final and would mean facing most likely aston villa if we beat city. city will come in with their strong side and we should not play a very young team. I know we have birmingham on saturday, but we need to go into that game with a bit of confidence too. losing today and a bad result on wednesday might take too much out of the players.
Macheda IS GOD Said,January 3rd, 2010 @16:23 We need ronaldo.
End
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you’ve painted yourself in a bad light now my friend
Poor rooney he ran past Berbatov in one move today the guy will have a stroke before he’s 28 if he keeps going this way
united need to get a fletcher when fletcher isnt playing
wayne rooney is by far the greatest cm player ive ever seen its a shame that he is so good up front
we need that fight
Losing to those cunts is tough to take and considering we were at home makes it very hard. However there was a turning point in the game that gave you the feeling it wasn’t our day and that was Welbeck’s penalty shout. No doubt about it that was a nailed on penalty and Chris Foy yet again fails to give us a crucial penalty. What makes it interesting is that last year against Spurs in the league cup final Ronaldo is clattered in the box in full view and nothing is given then a couple months later Welbeck is tripped in the semi final of the fa cup whilst being through on goal and the decision still doesn’t go our way. I’m not excusing what was a shit performance by the shirts but this ref now has form for not giving us clear penalties and adds to growing list of refs including Alan Wiley, Howard Webb, Martin Atkinson and Andre Marriner who fail to give us the benefit of the doubt when it comes to penalty shout or have been particularly biased against us.
Anyway big game tuesday and the first twenty minutes will be an indicator of what the tie will be like. The lads will be so rattled defensively after that result that if they conceed early in that first leg I think we could fall to pieces trying to chase the game and be constantly hit on the counter. What seemed like a poxy second rate league cup semi final now becomes much more signifcant not because of the bitters but because the impact it could have mentally on the side for the rest of the season if we don’t win it. KEEP THE FAITH MUFC THE RELIGION
i thought 5 minutes injury time was a lot, 4 minutes is the standard when it should only be 2 minutes, but fergies says 5 minutes was a disgrace???
arsene wenger
Hartson? I haven’t seen him in a while. I hope his recovery is going ok. As far s the City game goes, at this stage, I don’t think we can risk playing too many first team players. We will probably be third by the end of the night, so we will have to win at Birmingham next Saturday.
ghtt… I’d love to see Rooney play in Midfield – he has everything for that position!
Can anybody tell me why we seem to lack motivation against our biggest rivals,this is really not the only occasion in recent times we have not turned up!?! Did anyone in the starting 11 regardless of AGE really expect much time on the ball ,and that two leeds cunt wouldnt be breathing down there neck at all times.All this “get in there faces” tactic seems to be a simple and straight forward way of beating the champions dont you think?
is that really all it takes to topple us?(its worked for the dippers twice) i really fuckin hope not!!
birmingham is a tough game, hard to break down especially away, hartson is on itv he said he has recovered just needs a minor surgery now and thats it costas,still looks like he will elbow anything in the face that moves costas
well done Leeds. you’s will make a mint selling the videos and tshirts for a long time. well deserved though.
just got back. a couple of things,
felt for fabio, he genuinely gave it what he could, he just seemed too nervous at times.
most of the team were a below par, every team has off days and off periods, same for every player, but berbatov does it far FAR too often, he is quite simply indefensible. not good enough and up himself.some
nice touches today, but that’s starting to sound like a cliché for him now. Rooney doing all the running today, berba doing his usual routine. pathetic.
I’d LOVE him to prove me wrong, but he isn’t good enough.
wes was marshalling beckford out to a tight angle, and as such kuscack was rash in committing himself so early. if it was foster he woul be getting abuse.
rant over. Leeds thoroughly deserve to enjoy today. at least it isn’t Liverpool eh!
Amazing…..we were outplayed at OT by the leeds scum!!!
Leeds brought us down to their level and we fell for it like a bunch of schoolboys, playing long balls like we have a crouch in the team. Note to team “we do not have a 7 foot striker to aim for”, so fucking play the ball on the ground!
Welbeck again proved he is too lightweight and not good enough at the present moment to even get a place on the bench. Sir Alex has clearly over rated the boy and maybe expected him to progress alot better, it clearly has not happened…loan him out and see how he develops over the next two years.
Berbatov, looks classy when he is not being roughed up by the opposition but as soon as it gets physical he seems to be a peripheral figure in the game and leaves alot to be desired,when you consider what we payed for him.
Gibson, loves two things. 1 is to shoot, number two is to play the long balls,I have always felt that when he plays as a deeper lying midfielder, he has a very negative effect on the way we play football and today is a clear example of exactly that.
I have always loved the way we played football, quick passing, lots of movement, overlapping players, pass and move, because of the way we played and controlled games, not many temas would dare come to OT and attack cause they knew they would get hammered.
Now every tom, dick and harry comes to OT and has realised we are’nt the same attacking threat we have pretty much always been over the last 15-20 years and and takes us on. Usually it was not a problem, we show class composure when other teams panick and crumble, we have joined the teams who panick and crumble, when things are not happening for us.
Some of the starting line ups and subs Fergie makes are dreadful this season, games are crying out for creativity and he sends on a compact midfielder or he plays players out of position due to experience rather than know how.
We need to go back to the drawing board and Fergie needs to be fearless with the decision making otherwise I fear our season may implode, and that would be a travesty!!
did anyone hear fergies interview on MUTV he was asked what happened to vidic and fergie with a cold face said I could not tell you I just could not tell you, that does not feal like he was injured is vidic now going to be sold, like I said the ferdinand and vidic patnership will be broken annd one will not be here come august 2010
fucking well upset lettin them dirty sheepshaggers win today we were a disgrace berbslob was shite get rid of now. obertan well trying to be a ronaldo i dont think so. welbeck wants to be usain bolt i dont think so more like bolton for him. Why did fergie not start with owen he would have been up for it more than that 30 million flop hate berba wish he would just leave. Beckford is class though, he would do a much better job that fat slob berba. brown and evans looked of pace. Neville is awful no wonder he aint got a new contract. Gutted at the result thought we could have at least scrapped a draw them beat that scum at helland road.
Fergie is def losing his marbles talk of treble was to early he jinxed us.
rooney the new king… yeah saw it, I ind of got that impression too – hope we’re wrong about this one..
I think its a new assistant we need, nothing else because we have the quality there.
Since last year when Phelan came in as assistant we have turned into a long ball team. The amount of times when players have been in great positions to expose our opponents weaknesses the ball is lofted forward.
Nobody can blame Ronaldos exit because last year we didnt play well either but managed to win the league, so stay positive.
I also think too many players have their eyes set on South Africa.
arsene weger
Good to know he is his usual self. Strikers like him are extinct nowdays.
rooney the new king
Is that right? I wonde what might have happened then. It’s pretty weird that a bust up would happen during the warm up? If someone was at the statium, maybe they can tell us if they noticed Vida get injured or something. We had a similar situation with Carrick back in August, so hopefully it’s something that gets resolved soon.
Oh and if his wife wants them to leave England, i say screw her. I was forced to live in England for 3 years at the age of 9 and never complained. And my father didn’t make the money that Vida does. It’s a piss poor excuse for us to sell him or for him to want to leave.
let’s buy.i’m not saying this from today’s game but i think we need a central defender.at least one more.
i hate all this Vida rumours.cos we love the man so much and there’s all these rumours.
Let’s all stop loving the foreign players too much.
its true they are extinct costas, i did read in the press hartson said he has lost 4 stone (56lbs) due to illness and its the lightest he has been since playing under wenger lol what a lump
The vidic thing is crap. If that was the case why did SAF even give him a start. Surely Vidic did not feel afterwards that he did not want to play without any reason and wants a move. He must have got injured.With all the injuries he has had and is struggling for form this would be the best time to get rid of him though
i heard that vidic couldnt play because he went to aaron ramseys birthday party last night and ate too much jelly and ice cream
Nevermind.
Let’s stay behind the team and be positive
If Fergie manages to get us playing like we did against Wigan a bit more we’ll win the league and this result won’t seem as bad as it does today.
Looking at all the pre-match build up (including here) you’d think the win was guaranteed before we played.
keanesmagichat – really stupid comment re. Berbatov. Grow up.
This is the second time I’ve had to come on here and defend Welbeck after a game and I’ve seen him getting a slating.
The fact is he is a striker and was being played out of position on the wing. Even worse this time he was asked to play on the wrong wing for his strongest foot! You just can’t judge a player out of position. What Fergie was thinking I don’t know as it made Welbeck and Obertan uncomfortable for the entire first half.
Berbatov should have come off and Welbeck gone up front to actually move for Giggs/Valencia. Seriously hacked off with Berbatov now, patience can’t last more than 18 months when they aren’t young and cost big money. Perform or ship out.
@denton davey Said
Haha. Yeah. Valencia did cross with left foot. I was like OMG! He did cross well. Obertan did well but like i say, he can dribble but can’t dribble past a player or attempts to dribble past players. How many times we seen performances like this this season? Last season i can’t remember more than this season disappointment.
are people here deluded?????
we ve lost our magic dust….aka ronny..aka cantona
ot has lost its invincibility
the squad contains fuckin average donkeys who can jst pass the ball…eg carrick and one trick pony gibson
@arsene wenger
I never thought I would see the words “Hartson” and “lost weight” in the same sentence, lol. I didn’t remember that he was still at Arsenal when Wenger came. What a cultural shock that must have been for him!
@AIG
Whatever it is, I will do cartwheels the day we field a solid back 4 for 5-10 games in a row. It has become a joke this season. I am curious to see what changes he will make for City.
another great long standing record fucked
bar rooney we are an average team…..relying on 2 old guards to bail us out
while chelsea is beating watford 5-0 at home…depressing day indeed.
Can someone please tell me when exactly the ACON starts? And when do the players leave? Because Song is still here and is currently playing for Arsenal?
I am afraid I am gonna upset a few on here with some observations…..
Firstly, SAF fucked up team selection again, as he has done from time to time this season. I mean Anderson and Gibson in midfield against a team from the kick-fuck-out-of-it-league. There are those that say in SAF we trust, but fuck me, some of his team selections this year have baffled me….perhaps he didn’t mind being out of the FA cup to concentrate on the league….?
Secondly, Too many united ‘B’ string players feel that they only have to turn up to play against lower division rivals and have vastly overrated opinions of themselves and when they don’t, or even worse, wont play for the team they should be got rid of as as soon as.
Thirdly, Bringing back some unfit players and playing others out of position was an absolute disaster. I understand about rotation and all that bollocks, but you need to put the game beyond our opponents early on in the game, then rest players, instead of hoping to win the game late on when you are 1 – down with 25 minutes to go. Yes, it has worked before this season but other teams are wising up to it now, defending determinely and hitting us on the break then defending like their lives depended on it.
Fourth, getting a squad together that does not show any bite or spine, apart from a few players that is, we can carry a couple of softer players but to have a team with four or five who were never gonna get stuck in was another disgrace. Apart from a couple of players who always gives their all
tevez you muppet
Carrick is NOT average. He is a very good CM. Everyone is pissed we lost to Leeds but saying shit like how our team is average excluding Rooney is absoulate bonkers. Calm down mate before you start making a real fool outta yourself.
field fuckin weak teams and this is what u get…welbeck?????? what do ppl see in this flimsy human….gibson 1 shot?????????, yet again tinekring disrespecting and playing overrated nobodys has brought our downfall…..yet we keep doin it and will suffer the same again v shittys gazillionaires
Oh by the way, Berbatov was shite today !!
if united bought in a striker i wouldnt mind seen 2 up front and rooney doing a scholes and moving from been a striker(remember scholes played up front how long ago does that feel) to been a world class cm player
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dalg66KL2gA
i think Carrick is a great central midfielder
We have lost somelong standing records over the years. This has to be one of the most painful ones for Ferguson. 5 years ago, he lost his unbeaten record in domestic semi finals, but it was against Chelsea and it was an extraordinary record to begin with.
However, you always expect us to go past the third round. There have been hard draws(at Chelsea where we won 5-3, at Villa where we won twice and many others) and to lose it to Leeds must be a bitter pill to swallow. Hopefully, it will give Fergie the reality check he wanted regarding his squad and it will help lead him to his most important mission: The 19th title.
tevez you muppet you muppet
carrick in the class as gerrard? lampard? fabregas? dont fuckin make me laugh.
he s a steady eddy at best…hence on bench more times with utd and bench with for england.
fucking fit to lace scholesys keanos butty’s boots.
fucking bollocks……dont make me laugh
players who can just pass the ball is average in my book
bollocks
From Sir Alex’s post-match comments,i think he’ll field a better side midweek.I wish he’d scream at the lads ears till they bleed.I don’t get how blaming the manager is justified.Cos we had a strong side today.relatively.simply complacent.thats all.
tevez you muppet
Is not about having the best lot of players out there. If you want a squad full of superstars then go support Madrid. Carrick is a good midfielder like it or not and Fergie obviously thinks so.
tevez you muppet you muppet
have you watched any other Utd games before? Have you heard of our manager – Sir Alex Ferguson?
We haven’t had a downfall – we’re second in the league after losing all our defenders for a month and we’re in two other cup competitions.
Yeah we just played badly and lost to a lower division team but we played some great stuff against Wigan and we’ve won the league 3 times in a row!
You are the one showing disrespect to a manager who has brought this club massive success despite muppets like you criticising him for making big decisions and trying to bring on quality players.
Try supporting a football team not criticising them stupidly.
Well Fergies comments about youth good enough to beat City in the cup, are you sure MrF.
PIG was ok to be fair he didn’t have much to do, on the goal where the fuck was the second centre back Evans. When that ball was played over the top Evans was in the Leeds half with no one covering. Sloppy and stupid. Fabio looked ok and showed again why hes great cover for Rafael and Evra. Wes was ok but does he actually need to get sent off before he gets the message, calm down. Evans wasn’t match fit or fully awake. Neville was hardly the inspirational leader and even though he crossed the halfway and occasionally linked up with Valencia and Obertan, he didn’t have the same air about him as he had of days past. Anderson played ok running about, tackled well and was the better of the two in the middle. Gibson has a hard shot, can someone please tell me what else, he isnt that good in the tackle, he seems to be to the side of the play all the time not in it. Obertan is a gangly Park, he looks like hes got a range of skills but it half a Ronaldo with the running style and stamina of Jesper Blomquist. Wellbeck is a top scorer in the reserves, a bit like Nardiello, King, Rossi, Campbell, ………. United first team material (to be fair give him more time). Berbatov came deep on numerous occasions and played some great through balls, how half you idiots didn’t spot that makes me sick. It would help if he had the stance of someone with some passion maybe people wouldn’t be on his back all the time. Rooney is the new Gerrard, big on himself and unjustified in believing hes the only one that can do it. He runs all day and still is a fantastic prospect but he is no Ronaldo, Villa, Eto, DelPiero of old, Inzaghi of Old, Raul of Old ………. Rooneys passing has been pathetic the past 4 weeks, except the 20mins after his stupid pass back the week before last.
To top it off we had a squad of new players and youngsters and others that just need some guiding. Who for fuck sake is the captain of United because I haven’t seen a bollocking or a man commanding his troops for several years now. We havent got Ronaldo to dig us out of holes anymore so we need a sargent major who can raise everyone elses game a little so we can cope.
United at the moment look like a reserve team at the moment without the guiding light of David May, its bleeding comical.
Quick fix and reasses at the end of the year. Peruzzi to control the defence, Kerlon (Inter loaned to Ajax) to bamboozle defences to make them think we have a new Ronaldo and something we havent got, and a tough fucker in Midfield, bring in Viera or Gatuso. These are not long term fixes but I feel a panic buy is neccesary here as we don’t control any part of the field anymore, teams arent scared anymore. We have barely had a handful of shots (real goal attempts – not straight into the arms of the keeper from 20 yards) in the last 5 games. (excluding Wigan as they are awful and even Spurs put 9 past them).
Chins up lads I know what to do, dont panic.
being in the class below lampard gerrard and fabregas especially at age what 25 or 26 is nothing to be ashamed of
some posters on this site do talk some nonsense. Sack Fergie .
Where is your respect for the greatest manager English football has ever known?
I think there is a few WUM’s crawling out from under their rocks today.
there seems to be a lot of idiot posts on here today, maybe people havent calmed down yet.
i think our main problem today was a general poor performance from everybody.
i think anderson was our best player and he should of stayed on.
as for slagging some of our own players off as not good enough, i think there are two issues here. berbatov, as good as he is, doesnt fit into our side and we dont get the best out of him with our style of play. for me id like to swap him for another striker. secondly i dont rate gibson, he seems to be nothing but a long range shooter and doesnt do the basics well enough.
a defeat like this isnt enough to start slagging the whole team, especially player who havent even played today
@ tevez you muppet
How many league titles have Lampard, Gerrard and Fabregas won Compared to Carrick, you muppet?
good is average
u fuckin missing the point dickwad…..man v man NOT TEAM V TEAM
CARRICK park gibson V LAMPARD ESSIEN GERRARD FABREAS ROSICKY XAVI INIESTA????????????
like its been said many time before in the 90′s we has a shit squa but a world class great first 11…becks, scholesy giggsy keanoe etc etc.
now we have a big squad in quantity….but lack real quality and world class magic in first 11 or 15
fact u mum fanny
When things go badly on the pitch – you look for players who have got the right attitude. You look for players who try harder, pull their socks up and do their best to play better.
You don’t want people crying like a baby that things aren’t going their way, you want people who stay focused and work harder or be brave and trust their skill.
You don’t want people criticising their colleagues, you want people encouraging each other and supporting each other.
You don’t want people looking for scapegoats, you want people looking at themselves to see what they can do to improve.
Looking at the performance of some of the muppets on here, how many of them could claim to have the character as a Utd fan they seem to expect from the players?
How can you criticise Fergie and the players when you can’t even live up to the required standards as a fan?
Thankfully there are a lot of other Utd fans here who have got a bigger point of view, stronger characters and support Utd and Fergie when things are tough as well as when things are easy.
arsenal is down 1-0 at west ham.
woeful performance all round, but my god, if one player of ours turned up today it was Rafael. In midfield too, he was absolutely immense, just one perfectly-timed slide tackle after another. If they’d all played as good as him we’d have walked it.
Also I don’t think Berbatov was that bad. His link-up play was at times excellent, and i’d certainly say he played better than Rooney.
Why is Carrick mentioned? He did not even play today!
Fuck Gerrard, he’s a fat ball-waster and I say without a shred of bias that if I was Capello I would have a long list of players before he’d get in the team.
@ Callum
Which game were you watching?? Rafael wasn’t playing today and Berbatov playing better than Rooney?
*Fabio
I think every chance we had came through Berbatov. What the fuck did Rooney do today exactly other than waste a few attacks by blasting it over the bar, and missing a one-on-one that was virtually identical to the one the league one striker put away?
tevez you muppet: You havent answered my question you clueless cunt. How many league titles have Lampard, Gerrard and Fabregas won compared to Carrick? Have they ever played centre half before in a champions league match? Maybe I was watching a different match, because I dont recall Carrick playing today? You are actually slating someone who didnt even play. And you call yourself a utd fan! How many times did Gerrard, Lampard and Fabregas score 20 yard screamers at 22 years of age in the premier league? Do us a favour and fuck off.
Leeds didnt just urinate on us on the pitch today. They deservedly won in the stands to. This was an embarresing preformance by the whole club. Ive always been suportive towards Berba, but im starting to loose my patience with him. Lets just hope Leeds played their game of the decade today, if not, something has to change. Fergie was ahead of the game afraid that our lads would be to aggressive and hungry to win. What? The whole team looked totally uninterested. We did not at all function as a team and the positioning was horrible and all over the place. Postitives: we didnt loose 2-0 and theres a new game on wednesday!
i got fucking frustrated to shit when some muppet started suggesting sir alex should leave, seems as he is the greatest manager we have had, and for me he could play fucking PIG upfront and make rooney the tea lady n i’d still not want him sacked, but luckily the fans wi even half a brain have derided the idiot fools that suggested this. We have problems wi the squad ppl, i’ve lost faith in berba i’m sorry to say. Would prefer a striker who’s a threat on goal personally. Cole would miss 5 chances a game but then stick two away. Although it would’ve been nice to create 5 chances today. Obertan showed some nice touches, but valencia made more of a threat when he came on. Brown n neville looked like players coming back from injury, anderson played pretty well but looks like he’s in a rush everytime he gets on the ball. There was one move where da silva took the ball forward, berba n owen were ahead of him and when you looked at the midfield both giggs and gibson were holding positions in the midfield. Da silva ended up knocking ball forward and we lost it. What happened to days when we had robson, keane, scholes or butt bombing forward to join in the attack. No urgency at all. Feeling very dejected today now. Not at all looking forward to shitty match now, but hoping the players realise a little more how important that match will be coz they seem not to have grasped the importance today
are u a total wanker fze??????
played in defence once and scored a screamer on the odd occassion makes him a better player than those bastards?????
lol lol lol
what a funny bastard
im a season ticket holder of 25 years…and every fan in the crowd will tell u we have an average midfield and carrick is average.
steady passer
does he have the creative genius od xavi iniesta scholesy????
does he win ames individually like gerrard the scouse bastard?
does he score 20 goals a seaosn ala lumpolard?
does he maraude and is a warrior ala keano viera essien and now even fletcher????
if he was he’d start every game and wouldnt warm SAF and capellos bench
u know something they dont you fuckin tit
he’s helped out by giggsy and scholsey when he gets lost
him park gibson hard working average footballers.
eric, robbo, whiteside choccy keano becks giggsy scholsey butty kanchelskis hargo and now fletcher…thats what u call bringing something to the table
played at cntre back once and got ripped v fulham the 2nd time and scored an odd screamer makes him better than thos twats????
ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
splitting my sides u funny cunt
if u knew your history ud know utd fans didnt even want him…only buy of 06 and then utd fans were against it and said he wasnt anywhere worth 18…rather 12 mill
fabregas gerrarrd lampolard would be worth 6 x that
go bak to school……prepare ur uniform…16 year old kid who thinks he knows footie….and utd lol
totally agree tevez you muppet…you seem worked up,,,,but i agree with what you say…..spot on
Blimey some posts are so over heated
Er we lost get over it – didn’t score – and at OT! – worse thing is the last three times we have lost in the FA cup we should have scored so many but didn’t.
It happens – today however was also coupled with a bad performance – it happens too.
Ifs buts and should have beens is a load of nonsense.
For example we battered Portsmouth some years back but could not find the goal. We had a right go at Everton last year and ironically lost on penalties when we should have had one in normal time – you could argue could have had one today – but that isn’t an excuse – you win some you loose some – again I wish we would have gone down battering them – but there you go – go figure. Bloody hell we hammered Arsenal in the final 05 and lost on Pens!
My only concern is that every time we have lost this season we haven’t gone for the game at all until the end – and that should be addressed – and I bet you SAF has done it – is doing it – and will continue to do it.
People have a right to be angry and passionate – but at the end Manchester United have no divine right to win every match – we have to work hard to win and today the team did not work hard enough – I hope they take that anger out on the premiership and the CL and the CC. And they should look at themselves at the level of performance – they are responsible for what they did on the pitch – the starting team was good enough to thrash Leeds let alone beat them or scrap by against them.
You cannot expect a Fletcher or a Vidic or a Giggs or whomever to start every match in order to win. Everyone has to take up responsibility – has to take the game by the scruff of the neck – has to lead by example – they are all good enough so quit the daft talk that this player isn’t good or that player isn’t up to it – blah blah blah. We win together – We loose together
Dear oh dear!
Disharmony on the terraces (or this blog actually), disharmony in the team (apparently).
In spite of our abysmal display, just a reminder that we are United and should remain United come what may.
The Scum have had their day, it’s over.
For us, it’s imperative to remember who we are and behave accordingly, especially towards fellow Reds.
Slating the manager, certain players…. the ABU press will do enough of that anyway, why are WE doing it?
There’s a difference between debate and some of the stuff being said on here.
Do we love United anyway, no matter what? Of course.
One love!
MG
Well said mate
kel: “Valencia did cross with left foot. I was like OMG! He did cross well.”
His left-footed cross missed the targets in the box by about five yards – and he was only fifteen yards away from them.
kel: “Obertan did well”
Are you joking ? he was dire and gutless; instead of driving to the end-line and crossing the ball, he would stop and turn inside. He’s extremely fast but he didn’t make use of his speed. No matter how people slag Nani, it’s hard for me to believe that Obertan represents any kind of improvement over him. Quite the opposite, in fact.
I wasn’t surprised Obertan was taken off but I was surprised that Danny Welbeck was substituted since I thought he did pretty well – inconsistent but he did do some very good things whereas neither Obertan nor Berbatov did much of note.
@its in my blood
And well said back to you
Cue the response from the non believers
They will have you believe the debt is killing us
SAF has lost the plot
Rooney is not Ronaldo
Where is Ronaldo – MU miss him
We can’t buy players – we can’t afford them
We are not strong enough
Blah blah blah
Let me remind them all and fellow United fans
When Ruud left and SAF didn’t buy a striker they all said we lost the plot
SAF turned Ronaldo into a monster and he scored goals and became the best player in the world – and then wanted to leave and so did so.
They said after Ronaldo left who would score the goals – well everyone has chipped in
Yes it could be better. The Glazers can sort this debt problem out and shut everyone up. Manchester United are not a one man team – Wayne Rooney is one of eleven. Ronaldo walked out of this very club to go have a dream – he can go fuck off – any player who forsakes this red shirt for another is welcome to hell. Thanks for the memories but that’s about it. We are strong enough – how many teams would be two points behind the leaders in the toughest league in the world with the shit that we’ve had with injuries? If SAF has lost the plot why have we won the premiership three times and CL to boot? Apparently 4 years ago they all said we were dead and buried when Mourinho was going to take Chelsea to our level and we would be a club in memory.
They can all go fuck off – Who are Chelsea? Who is Mourinho? Last year they all had a hard on for Liverpool. Who are Liverpool? They say Wenger produces the mother of all teams. Yeah well what the fuck have they won lately if that is so? They have always questioned SAF – we win they question, we loose they question – so let them carry on – why the tension between us fans?
Yes we could have scored more and should have. Yes we could have defended better but seriously with 7 defenders out for a month?
Yes sometimes the selection doesn’t go to plan – but are you telling me SAF picks a team to loose? Anyone who says so is a glory hunter and not a MUFC supporter – so get lost if anyone has a go at the boss – we are champions of the premiership not the FA cup and yes it’s bitterly sad and frustrating to be out of a competition we want to win but we have 18 games to retain our title, 3 games to retain the CC and have a chance of getting back the CL.
Rant could be over…
^^Cracking post. Spot on.
MG
That’s another good post!
Can’t disagree with much you’ve said, although the Glazer debt situation is something that could yet blow up in our faces.
It really is incredible that some fans are suggesting SAF has lost the plot, unbelievable!
Like you mentioned, 18/3 games to go, THATS where our focus must be.
Dwell on the doom’n'gloom and life has a funny habit of giving you just that.
I’m interested in hearing a bit more about the Vidic situation if anyone knows what allegedly happened today?
Well, we’ve got two days or so to get our heads right.
The best way to ease some of this hurt is to take it out on the bitters.
I’m confident!
tevez you muppet – do you like living up to that name because you are acting like a muppet
Fuck me we have a Semi Final on Wednesday against them blue nose cunts and all were bothered about is tearing our team apart!
We have not replaced Ronaldo but in all honesty who was there to replace him with? The guy was class but did not want to play for us so good luck to him and move on.
Carrick is certanly not a one trick pony IMHO but again if we’d all agree there would be no point having a forum on here!
But for fuck sake draw a line over it and concentrate on supporting the boys in readiness for Wednesday!
Whats our team for Wednesday? 4-5-1?