An interview with Anderson was published in Globo Esporte today which claimed that our Brazilian wasn’t happy at United and had tried to leave the club several times.
“What can I say? I have three more years of contract, I have tried to leave many times and never succeeded to do so,” he reportedly said.
When the report found its way back to England, Anderson took to Twitter to claim the quotes had been fabricated, saying “Not true… love stay in Manchester.”
He then posted a picture of himself lifting the European Cup.
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With today’s press, I never know who to believe. Ando is not always the brightest bulb on the chandelier but his presence on the squad gives us that little extra depth that ww will desperately need this season.
My gut feel is that Anderson made the comment in the interview, his agent then updated his twitter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMxFSQxTf9c
some inspirational stuff
watch this and you feel the pain and rise of D D Gea
We are wise to this kind of stuff by now. Unsettled foreign player makes controversial comments when interviewed by his country’s press and then denies them blaming the poor translation. It’s hard to know where the truth lies exactly. One thing’s for sure. Anderson should be very grateful that he’s still at United. I just hope he realizes it.
http://web.stagram.com/p/391988345107846788_269894036
love him hate him, he’s one of our legends and wil lalways be, show respect, it hurted watching him score against us, but the guy is a legend CR United #7 always.
If SAF accepts it, why the supporters are al lover him?
peace.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2013/Feb/sir-alex-ferguson-discusses-press-reaction-to-david-de-gea.aspx
the BOSS ignores the rumours.
let the fat ungratefull brazilian turd fuck off home hes shit anyway
i actuallt remember an interview i seen before with fatboy, i can remember him saying fergie wont let him go then too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW_DHmw0X_o
the forgotten man, just to remind us.
Well if he get to leave it will leave the midfield pretty slim.Hah.
And Easter is coming up too.
If he really does want to leave then the only way that he can sell himself is by grabbing his chance to shine every time he gets a chance to play. At times he has looked like he could be a great player especially when linking up with cleverly. Unfortunately his form can be very erratic. If he is patient and dedicated then he could still have a great future at United. I just hope he realises that if you leave Unitd then the only way is down.
Ando doesnt have twitter
Nice comments from all of ya all. If Ando has really said that, then I agree with all those who tagged him ungrateful. Even when lots of people has questioned his status of being in a United team, Alex still stood by him and use him to develop more in him. He’s been too injury prone and we still trust him to come good. He should just try to return a bit of favour by raising his game so that we could at least sell him for a moderate amount. If he goes, i will be happy to see one of our fringe player leave and i will wish him all the best. But if he hasn’t really said this or think it, i eat back my words.
Don’t give a shit what anyone said what or who. Hurry up Ando and prove your value, yer letting the side down.
Fat chance we made him over-wait.
Here’s food for thought, there’s no free lunch at United. If he’d wanted out, he’d be gone. Fergie kept Ronaldo on a year, but those were special circumstances, and it was always going to be only one year. Rooney didn’t want to leave, he wanted a better contract. Kuszczak irritated SAF with his whining, and was kept despite wanting to leave as a warning to the rest of the squad: Don’t put in a transfer request via the papers.
If a player doesn’t want to be at United, he won’t be.
I dont like to shit on our players but yet again, I never feel when we are 1-0 down, its ok Anderson is on the bench he will save the day. Not once, never. He has maybe been a game player in 3 or 4 matches during his time with us and to be frankly honest he is the most un-united player Ive seen at OT for a very long time. I critisized him a few games back when he actively instead of doing a Scholes and looking for open space, he rather found one of their midfielders and ran beside him. When we wer in possession. He actively seeks at times to be unavailable, I havent got a clue whether its to do with depression, lethargy or some look the other way kick it that way magic Brazillian trick that hes invented of doing the unexpected but it isnt coming off.
If Anderson goes I would be as peterbed as I was the day we sold Neil Webb.
Great retort! Aussiehopper really got the jump on the red joey.
Aussiehopper
I disagree, I hate censorship, everyone should feel they have a voice or otherwise they get a gun and mow down a school in frustration. If youve supported United for 70 years doesnt that make you 140 years old in antipodean years,lol. wow. Thats alot of shrimp.
Im not siding with red joey as I dont think hes shit, you dont come here in the first place if your shit, but Im not all that keen on him. But censorship has made the been flicking bastard nanny state shite hole we live in today.
Treble-winning squad, or current squad?
Sir Alex reckons: “Yes, numbers wise, this is a stronger squad. When we went to the 1999 Champions League final, Roy Keane and Paul Scholes were suspended, but Henning Berg was the only injury. I still had to pull in a player, Jonathan Greening, who had only played once or twice and he actually got a winner’s medal for sitting on the bench. That gives you an idea of the respective strength of the squads. It’s not just the four strikers I could change, you could change the entire team now. There were good internationals who weren’t even involved on Wednesday.”
“[In the 1998-99 season] we lost to Middlesbrough and we never lost again. It was a tough FA Cup run that season, really tough. We were up against Premier League teams in every round. I think it’s nice to look back at these things and how it was done in that particular time with the squad of players I had, which is not nearly as strong as the one I have now.”
ooops what has the goat started, lol.
Didnt the story go, Goat looks across the water, nice green grass. Throw over the wife and kids first theiyre expendable. Measure up the troll, kick his arse then get some food in.
It seems this goat told the wife and kid to go upstairs to sleep, this one sips Brandy and is playing cards with the troll.
Life is never how you expect it to be.
lol
goat someday i hope to grow up like you with that amazing sense of humour that you have attained
@ DreadedRed
I also said in an earlier thread, that if he wanted to leave then SAF would have let him go and not keep him for 2-3seasons just to be injured and hat’s why I don’t buy this article of him wanting to go.
If he does and SAF has kept him despite his proness to injury then a bad call from the manager who should have tried to sell him and get another for his place.
That’s why I really doubt it.
This wouldn’t be the first time a Brazilian paper ran a story that was (a) totally false, (b) months after the interview, rendering the context completely different than the situation when the question was first asked, (c) something got lost, then twisted, than lost and twisted again in translation, or (d) all of the above.
If Anderson wanted to go, it wouldn’t be hard to do so. Players hold all the cards when it comes to where and for whom they’ll play.
SB
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2013/Feb/manchester-united-squad-will-change-for-real-madrid-home-leg.aspx
amazing words and pep talk to the team from SAF
“I know a lot of players were disappointed at not playing on Wednesday,” Sir Alex told media at his Friday morning press conference at Carrington. “That is to be expected. I would be disappointed if they weren’t disappointed.
“But the players who weren’t playing were all behind the ones who were. That is good. There’s a good spirit here. That is obvious.”
Madrid travel to Manchester for the second leg on Tuesday 5 March and the United boss says he’s certain to field a different side to the one that drew 1-1 in the Bernabeu.
“When you are successful you have to look at the overall squad. It will be a different team who play against Real Madrid when they come here.
“One or two or three who weren’t playing on Wednesday could be playing in the next game.
“I have all these international players. Why can’t I trust them? I could have played a completely different team on Wednesday and I think we would probably have got the same result.”
marcus says February 15, 2013 5:07pm
I have to say that I have to agree with everyone who has suggested that his comments have been lost in translation. I am Brazilian and I read the article. What Anderson said was taken completely out of context. What he was trying to say was that he tried to leave but various factors convinced him to stay in the end. One thing I will say in Anderson’s defense is that he is a very forward thinking player which may not suit the usual way Man U play. When Rooney, Chica and RVP are on the same wave length as Anderson, they combine to score goals. His biggest problem has been injuries just when he starts getting into form, he is out again. He is a good player and could do well for United if only he gets rid of the niggling injuries. Maybe a little bit of weight loss might help him. Have faith in Anderson, I am sure he will have a good game on Monday night.
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/8502235/
I’d be discouraged by now if I was Anderson. He’s had moments where he’s looked a world beater then blah.
@WeAreUnited:
“love him hate him, he’s one of our legends and wil lalways be, show respect, it hurted watching him score against us, but the guy is a legend CR United #7 always.
If SAF accepts it, why the supporters are al lover him?”
I personally don’t hate him, he was here for years and helped the team winning titles. But one should remember it wasn’t all about him. Manchester United is bigger than any players, we won titles with or without Ronaldo.
What really bothers me is the fans and the media who think that Ronaldo was Manchester United hence the glory and worship. When people say Ronaldo is a legend, it’s really hard for me to grasp, because you put him in the same level as someone like Scholes or Giggs who clearly above and beyond always put Man United above all else. To me that defines a legend.
Ronaldo on the other hand.. all I can remember is his constant whining and his love for Madrid.
I may be harsh, but I love United more than Ronaldo.
red joey says:
let the fat ungratefull brazilian turd fuck off home hes shit anyway”
Are you feeling insecure about your own weight? How is anderson far? I’ve always put this question out there and an adequate answer is yet to be given.
I doubt anderson put out a comment like that and if it was then i would agree with those that said he’s been misquoted. I think it’s fair to say he’s probably frustrated but anderson is a great character to have around the team and let’s be honest, only fergie will decide which player is “united” and “un-united”, anderson clearly has the quality to still be at the club but there’s no doubt that injuries have held him back from being the player he could be, he’s got all the creative repetoire and physical power to be a dominant midfielder and he has shown that, against the best, he can hold his own but the lack of continuity is not helping his consistency. At 24, he can still improve a little more but he needs more game time and i think this season, he’s shown his quality and could yet prove it again.
I feel baffled when people tag over-weight with him. He’s always been powerfully built, he’ll never be a slim jane, it’s obvious people get some sort of self esteem from claiming he’s fat, the “If i point out the other person, my pot belly might just feel a lot better to carry” style. Sad
It really amazes me that this boy is still only 24. It seems he has been here for ages. He has huge talents but I feel he is an easy going guy. He seems lazy. He doesn’t have that attribute of going to next level. He is happy of what he is offering rather than trying more harder and taking his game to next level which he is capable of doing. Honestly I find a lot of similarities in Nani and anderson. Usually Sir alex loves to deal with these kind of players and make them best but I feel he has failed to do that with Anderson. Only positive is he is still young and even now if he gets his act allright we may see the real potential of anderson.
Bit off topic but I had to say this. Phil Jones is a beast. He marked Ronaldo very well same way he marked Fellaini and bale. He is only 20 and is performing very well. We should not get carried away but I see something very special in him. He is a leader. I love his attitude.
I am very happy that Sir alex signed him instead of Henderson. Same way I am excited of seeing Zaha perform. If sir alex spends 15 millionns on a young player then there must be some great thing about him.
Never really rated the man myself, but with these comments he’s made an enemy in SAF and like Nani will soon be out of the squad completely for a long time before eventually being sold…
Believe me, fellows, This was fabricated. There’s nothing in the original source ‘globo esporte’, it was pure created by english press. Trust me, i’m from Brazil, I checked the site multiple times for that and never checked. If you guys want to check by yourselves, please
here is the link for the main page:
http://www.globoesporte.com
and the side page of english football:
http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-ingles/
And the part for Manchester United NEWS:
http://globoesporte.globo.com/equipe/futebol/futebol-internacional/futebol-ingles/manchester-united.html
There’s absolutely nothing about anderson.
I actually feel it is translated out of context. Why do we not believe those foreign players?
Every single player of United we have to support. I believe Anderson, Chica, Nani will be pissed for not playing often even when they playing good. Chica is one who i feel is not deserved to stay on bench.
let the fat ungratefull brazilian turd fuck off home hes shit anyway
ps im skinny
This article makes a good case about the comments being legit:
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/why-anderson-s-manchester-united-exit-quotes-appear-absolutely-tr
I used to like Anderson, but truth be told, his wages would have been better spent on Pogba and another young midfielder.
Long gone has the time since I’ve been affected by all this. Pledging loyalty and stuff like this. And the more I don’t really expect from the foreign players, especially the younger ones. I used to be extremely touchy about all this. Players shouldn’t be playing push and pull with fans. I’m a ardent fan with undying love for my team Manchester United, and the players. Primary importance is to the club itself, and then to Sir Alex Ferguson, who’s been my hero and adopted granddad I love for 14 years now. Players are passing clouds, but of course there are legends, not denying that. But if there are players blowing hot and cold, they can leave all they want. Don’t get me wrong, I love Anderson, I don’t know if this is true or not, I’m just trying to say that I’m not as irritated as I would be years ago.
Then again, I truly appreciate and respect players who say nice things and feel like they’re lucky to be with us, and they should be. Which is why I adore Chicharito, Berbatov, Vida, Welbeck, Clevs, Smalling, and RVP now to add to the list. I mean, they are many more to add to the list, but just to name a few.
And yes, I too, do not see how Ando’s fat. Maybe cos he’s short he looks like he’s fat that way? Somewhat like Rooney. Rooney isn’t tall and lean type, but he’s fit and muscular but not the burst out of the shirt muscles like Valencia
@Ash
I agree.Jones has probably had his best week in a United shirt this past week.if he can mark probably the current best winger in the epl (based on form),one of the best CM in the epl and then one of the best players in the world out of the game,he could well be one hell of a player in the future.
Actually no one should take comments and interview too seriously. At times, comments and interview might not always reflect the intention or the feeling of the players. Sometimes when speaking some tend to speak out what they thought of at that moment, but might regret sometime later. Whether he had any intention of leaving or staying is not for us to criticize, this is his decision and the manager’s intention to keep him.
I noticed that Anderson is not performing well lately. He should improve his gameplay or he might be having harder time to get into the regular team with the others youngsters showing what they are capable of.
drv3011
There is something special about him. I was amazed when I saw how fast he was. Even the biased pundits in Ten channel( I live in india so the match gets shown in Ten sports or Ten action) pointed out that this boy is special. He has tremendous speed. When I see these qualities of him I feel his talent will be wasted if he plays as central defender. I know Sir alex doesn’t like this defensive midfielder thing but he does that role perfectly. If we are to perform well in europe then Jones could play a crucial role.
i’ve read a few articles on various websites about the real game and unsurprisingly jones’ man marking was highlighted by all of the writers.some likened him to roy keane.the all action player who works his socks off.i like that in a player.regarding his playing position,if jones was to play in the DM position,he should work on his passing and link up play between defence and attack,something carrick excels at.i think jones proves to be an understudy to carrick and can learn a lot from him.marking someone alone kind of restricts the attacking aspect of jones’ game so if he plays alongside carrick a bit more he could learn to play like carrick bcoz i think they are both quite similar in their play.jones is great bringing the ball forward and has a lot to offer to the team.i see a bright future ahead of him.
“Never really rated the man myself, but with these comments he’s made an enemy in SAF and like Nani will soon be out of the squad completely for a long time before eventually being sold…”
An “enemy in sir alex” yes, fergie is stupid enough not to realise the concept of dealing with modern players. “he’s made,an enemy” anyone would think this is some C.S.I tv show and whilst you’re at it, why don’t you break the hearts of the lottery owners and say the number, i mean you definitely know they’ll pe sold, david gill might join in if he isn’t snapping gorillas scratching their nuts with his kodak camera. Oh fucking dear.
And as for feeling sorry for players being left out, why don’t we just turn the game into water polo or rugby, fill in as much players in the starting line up and soothe their “sniffles”. This is a game of football, a game that rolls for an entire season in a very tough and competitive league, you fight tooth and nails for points and the entire squad is always required to sort it. Players sulking, get on the training pitch and in matches to prove you should be ahead of the other players, no player deserves for anything. They’ve all played their part, hernandez also who’s had his fair share of starts, he and others need to realise they’re part of a squad and they best get into the “manchester united comes first” mentality as that along with ability and right character will hopefully see them carve a good career and we know the rewards of ingraining yourself into the united history. I disapprove when i read “player deserves”, no they deserve fuck all. Get with the united way of life or you’ll be sent packing, i would like to think that players abide to the latter and will hopefully progress. Those that have missed out will get chances and they have to grab it, not sending rat pie and complaint envelope to shaun custis’ “SUN”.
Agreed with KING of S E, loyalty is as rare as a person having a complete teeth on jeremy kyle show, players kissing badges and declaring “love” can be taken with a pinch of salt. They’re bought to do a job, nothing more sentimental beyond that and if they somehow stay longer like an Ole gunnar solskjaer, then we can congratulate but after the rooney debacle (not a criticsm of wayne but he changed my perspective on “loyalty”), i think the best we hope for is players performing well and always have players ready to replace them, united always has to either produce or buy the right players to make sure a players’ depature to another team or whatever isn’t keenly felt but i suppose we can’t tar every player with the same brush and the benefit of the doubt has to be handed out.
Hey Costas, hope you are well my friend. Looking at SAF’s comment quoted by WeAreUnited at 01:50, he says: “the players who weren’t playing were all behind the ones who were. That is good. There’s a good spirit here. That is obvious.”
Perhaps had we spent Ando’s wages on Pogba and A.N.Other, the drop in spirits would be more costly than the increased availability of options. I say ‘perhaps’, for it’s mere conjecture from us both. I do get the fact that Ando’s not been on form and available for any decent length of time, and therefore damn expensive per minute played. Using the same logic, Hargreaves was a similar case. Some might argue: so was Solskjaer. Of course, Ole scored key goals, and was doubtless a key figure in our success.
Easier to look back and judge, than to predict which player will contribute more. I guess we’re all hoping that Ando will add many more fine performances to his somewhat thin CV, and become a key player. He has all the ‘potential’, but at 24 we should be seeing more consistent quality.
I understand why many reds feel that their hope will be in vain. I’ll be standing by him to the end, as I guess will most other reds. I’d really struggle to stand by Pogba if he was disrespecting the Club/SAF, or impeding our squad with selfish theatrics.
TheRadLegion – he will never be a united legend, because he done what other players done, all jumped off the bridge when deciding to go to Madrid. We never really saw the best of the guy, we got 2 quality years out of him, between 2006-08, his last year was half assed at best. But what does frustrate me is? he could have stayed around longer, for at-least a couple of more years, so we could have seen a few more outstanding performances, and could have got more money
DreadedRed – has for pogpa, he was not patient enough, the guy not long ago arrived at united, and already he was asking for this and that, and expecting first team football at a drop of a hat. Many forget with cleverly and welbeck, they never broke into the team until they were experienced enough, heck the 2 of them were farmed out to a few clubs, welbeck scored a debut goal for united in the PL in September 2008, and it took until aug 2011 for him to establish himself, same with cleverly. So for me, it was the arrogance and poor attitude of pogpa more than anything the boss ever done
In David We Trust – Your view makes sense, and is quite commonly held. I don’t care that Pogba left, as I’m sure SAF doesn’t either. Pogba will likely have a stellar career, and I certainly don’t begrudge him that. I will never feel that we “missed out”, even if he becomes a great. The fact is that it was never going to work for long at United. Had he not left, and been included far more in our squad, he would have spent this year and the next engineering a move to Italy/Spain. A tabloid circus we don’t want or need.
Ando just needs an arm around him that’s all. Probably felt he wasn’t contributing and wasn’t gonna make it at United. He was getting injured whenever he was in good form. That can’t have been good for his confidence and self belief. When he was feeling low he probably wanted a new challenge. Who knows.
@DreadedRed
Hi mate. All’s well. Hope you’re good too. As you know, normally I’d fully agree that the player needs our backing until the end. But I’ve just about run out of patience with him. Funnily enough, it has nothing to do with his ability as a player. I like that part of him as much as I did 5 years ago. Like I said the other day, Anderson should be very (if I had the option I’d write that word in bold) grateful he’s gotten so many second chances at United. I understand a player being injury prone. I never held that against Ole, Fletcher, Hargreaves or Saha. They did their best, but their body was betraying them. When it comes to Anderson, I have a feeling he hasn’t tried hard enough. Not in the last 3 years anyway. Not to mention his reckless conduct when he was involved in that car crush in 2010 that pushed his return back even further.
So on the back of all this, we get a player who reportedly has asked to leave multiple times. So what are we doing keeping him around then? Why keep wasting time, effort and money on someone that doesn’t even appreciate the patience we’ve shown him? Stuff like this infuriates me and I’d truly much rather spend his wages on Pogba and his agent’s demands. Of course that’s a worst case scenario and one I used to empasize that even he has shown the club more respect recently. There are dozens of quality midfielders out there that deserve the opportunity more than Anderson, who I feel is turning into damaged goods now.
Anderson has had some bad times but he is a Red and we should support him. If he did try to leave I am sure its because he felt he was not doing well enough here. He is clearly liked by the rest of the players and is part of what makes this squad a United and happy group. How about us showing some loyalty……remember what Wayne did? We still love him don’t we?
I have to say I have no issues wit Ando being sold, if we can sell him for the £17mn we paid for him and buy an established quality MF who has a good fitness record, mid twenties, I would say do it.
It not just his fitness, there have been issues with his attitude, to him its one big joke, senior players earlier in his career have commented on the fact that he is wasting his opportunity and not taking his game seriously. Has he really been value for money? Very rarely, look at Oscar, Mata, Silva, Toure, Scholes, Fabregas, Wilshire or Keano at his age. United need and had world class MF players, Ando is not world class, he is out of Brazil, he is running out of time to prove his worth, United have been extraordinarily patient with him and I think it was only his good form with Cleverly last pre-season and early season that has saved him.
Of all our MF, Ando is the one I would have no issue with selling. In terms of selling him I doubt anyone has made United an offer that comes close to recovering their outlay on him, if we do sell it will likely be at a loss, possibly to a Brazillian team.
Ando for me is mid-table if that. Yes he has potential, but lots of players do. It has never translated, whether for injury, ability or effort, into anything more than the occasional good game, when he was the main man after Cleverly and Vidic got injured last season, before Paul came back, he was appalling and a significant factor in why we lost the league was his form in MF, defensively, possession, passing were disastrous and lead to SAF bringing Scholes back which finally got us back on a run and in the race. People should not overlook Ando had a good run there as first choice where he was so poor that Scholes made a massive difference replacing him.
If we get £10k or more for Ando I think we should take it, but who would want him other than a few teams in the bottom half, he is injury prone, inconsistent, his decision making has not developed, and when you watch United practice, he never does extra practice, he lacks ambition but on the upside he can have flashes of ability, but I think when he is no longer surrounded by such good players he will look like a lesser player, right now, the players around him make him look better than he is.
If he really said he tried to leave United 3 times, then surely we would have heard of interest from any bog Clubs or even top ten European Clubs, maybe some lesser Brazillian team bid for him, for him and for United, it may be better to move him on if this is all we are going to get from him, he has been here a long time and 20 year old Jones is being played ahead of him.
Any player who’d asked Sir Alex many times to leave would be gone.All I can think of Anderson was playing a big shot and talking bullshit,one things for sure he’s been a very frustrating player and one Sir Alex isn’t going to beg to stay
Costas – Hello mate, you well? Have to disagree pal on Pogba. Shown more respect? He has shown nothing but contempt the fucking greedy bastard. I couldn’t give a flying fuck about Pogba, shat on Le Havre and then left United and has done nowt but piss and moan about Fergie and the club. Only the other day he was having a pop trying to dicate when and where he should have played. Not your decison Paul. Do one. Fuck him we are better off without wankers like him around. Nice to see anyway he wasn’t trusted in a big game the other night. I have no time for tossers like him. As In David we Trust said Danny and Tom had to wait 3 years or more for a “proper ” chance.
As for those saying Hernandez will leave as he isn’t getting enough game time. Bollocks. Saw him interviewed last night and he knows the score at United. As samuel said all this “he deserves” this and that is ridiculous. Every player will get their chance, it is a long hard season.
Oh Costas if I sound aggressive in the part to you mate, it is NOT aimed at you just that wanker Pogba.
Bale is having a great season but I am getting sick of reading how he is up there with Ronnie. NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE.
@King Eric
Hi mate. No worries. You won’t get much arguement from me about Pogba. I do believe that it was a mistake to let him go, but his attitude didn’t help matters. That being said, as much disrespect as Pogba showed the club, Anderson has shown even more in my opinion. The former was a greedy kid manipulated by his agent. Anderson is someone that’s been anything but a model professional, has gotten plenty of chances yet doesn’t seem to appreciate it. If you’re asking me, I’d rather have in my team the young greedy kid who can learn humility as time goes and on and whose career actually looks like going somewhere…
Fully agreed on Bale by the way. Great form but ridiculously overhyped.
King eric – bale is talented but he seems hell-bent on trying to be a ronaldo (i mean look at his free-kicks but he seems to have found the right technique) but i don’t think he’s anywhere near the portuguese’ level, a player who can only be ranked along with messi. I read spurs fans and media either claiming he’s definite player of the year or is worth 60mill, ridiculous really.
Well Costas, I live in hope that you will be very pleasantly surprised. I do think that Ando is not as dedicated as we’d like him to be, but not by a big margin. Perhaps the images taken at training where we always see a very happy squad, is enabled by the class clowns – Rooney, Nani, Ando, ?
If we keep winning the League, with Ando doing stand-up lying down in a hammock installed on the touchline, I will salute Fergies genius gleefully.
samuel – united WE stand-He is not at that level yet but if he keeps inproving why not? What i loved about the Real Madrid game was we took all they could through at us at at the end they were holding on, it shut them up and all the ABU lot.Anderson is like Nani for me shows lots of wonderful things buts messes up the simple things They must have been here for five years now and no great improvement .I hope they come good because it would help us no end.
i think he have alot of talent but i doubt he will make it at united
he is injury prone and strugle to life in england like the most of latin player
like costas said it will be clever to bring a young player in his place like strootman and wanayma
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2279613/Anderson-wants-leave-Manchester-United-claim-place-Brazil-team.html
Pogba would have left eventually, his agent has hawked him around tge european transfer market regardless of him being under contract or not, he will.likely depart juventus to another club in unsavoury terms, he’s with a greedy agent.who needs to accumulate money, the movement of his players is essential. Fergie did as much as he good, e.g, giving the player accolades and then willing to him show the desire, hunger and character of a true united player, fergie treated him like he’d treat any younger player. Difference is, pogba isn’t any type of younger player, he has already had 3clubs and never felt united were the be all and end all (fair enough), he was never going to stay long enough, i think a transfer saga was going to happen down the line and a saga united would have lost in my view.
It’s bizarre to me as to why this guy gets brought up everytime, even those that barely saw him play have probable shrines and dedication t-shirt for a boy that could not give a flying fuck about not only them, their feelings and also manchester united. Pogba has moved on, another saga with juventus is bound to happen when a PSG, chelsea or city come in for him if he steps up to that level as currently, he’s got big potential but potential only.
Some united fans will never move on, fair enough but the club has and it will have scouts everywhere looking for not only talent but the right character, the coaches in the youth team will be pushing to get some of the united team, this is what the club is about, not dwelling on the past, especially on those that did fuck all and had no intention to do so.
This pogba is used as some whipping tool for united, “oh look, another superstar united have missed out on. They may regret it, oh they may fucking do”, the same crap rolls out everytime and pogba plays to the tune, he quickly gives an interview and rather than ignore the subject and put his head down, he comes out with the same claptrap of “ferguson never understood”, he says exactly what the media wants and it seems he doesn’t want to move on, fergie has done the matured and experienced thing by ignoring him, the scot-man has lost out on some great players and succeeded with some, you can’t win them all because that’s the reality of life, although those that live in a fairytale little hut will beg to differ.
he wants to return to brazil to be selected for wc 2014
let s forget about pogba
yes he has a huge talent but he choose the cash
there are plenty of good prospect in the market
wanayma strootman bender ………………………….
and we have powel wich i think he will devlope into world class player
Pogba would have left eventually, his agent has hawked him around the european transfer market regardless of him being under contract or not, he will.likely depart juventus to another club in unsavoury terms, he’s with a greedy agent who needs to accumulate money, the movement of his players is essential. Fergie did as much as he could, e.g, giving the player accolades and then willing him to show the desire, hunger and character of a true united player, fergie treated him like he’d treat any younger player. Difference is, pogba isn’t any type of younger player, he has already had 3clubs and never felt united were the be all and end all (fair enough), he was never going to stay long enough, i think a transfer saga was going to happen down the line and a saga united would have lost in my view.
It’s bizarre to me as to why this guy gets brought up everytime, even those that barely saw him play have probable shrines and dedication t-shirt for a boy that could not give a flying fuck about not only them, their feelings and also manchester united. Pogba has moved on, another saga with juventus is bound to happen when a PSG, chelsea or city come in for him if he steps up to that level as currently, he’s got big potential but potential only.
Some united fans will never move on, fair enough but the club has and it will have scouts everywhere looking for not only talent but the right character, the coaches in the youth team will be pushing to get some of the united team, this is what the club is about, not dwelling on the past, especially on those that did fuck all and had no intention to do so.
This pogba is used as some whipping tool for united, “oh look, another superstar united have missed out on. They may regret it, oh they may fucking do”, the same crap rolls out everytime and pogba plays to the tune, he quickly gives an interview and rather than ignore the subject and put his head down, he comes out with the same claptrap of “ferguson never understood”, he says exactly what the media wants and it seems he doesn’t want to move on, fergie has done the matured and experienced thing by ignoring him, the scot-man has lost out on some great players and succeeded with some, you can’t win them all because that’s the reality of life, although those that live in a fairytale little hut will beg to differ.
Tell me about the comparisons with Bale and Ronaldo. Bale is good for spurs, but comparing him with Ronaldo? Insanity. It’s like pigs fly. No, they don’t.
Dazbomber – ronaldo’s level is an incredible high for any player to reach, he’s possibly the most complete attacker in europe. I suppose bale has the potential but not sure he has the complete attribute and as for anderson, his laid-back style has probably held him back but then again, if a player wasn’t.pushing themselve then fergie would have shown them the door so it’s harsh to declare anderson as “lazy”, if you are not hardworking then you will not get to united. I think constant injuries have hampered him, e.g this season, he had a patch of hitting top form and fans even claimed he’d be a miss against city, that’s how good anderson was and then that hamstring injury struck, definitely.hits the confidence and he probably doubts himself which is fair, he’s not a robot. I don’t think he has of being in the brazilian team unless he hits a consistent form and plays regularly, perhaps we may never the very best from him but i’m an optimist and i’m hoping fortune will come his away in terms of avoiding injuries and becoming that player he could be. I don’t think nani is the same, he’s more than lived up to to his pricetag with outstanding productivity, he’s been more creative than any winger at united, in fact any midfielder but his style is to take risks and with that comes consequences but i would rather have players like these than those workman like and easily shut out by quality defences (although you need both blends in a squad). I think nani and anderson are confidence players, they both need encouragement and support and i don’t think.they get it, it’s constant grief even on match days and yes they may never be a zinedine zidane but they have quality which fergie sees.
I don’t think Bale will be quite on the same level as Ronnie, at 23 Ronnie was FIFA player of the year.
However, he is now showing serious form and as Wenger put it has the ability to get into that league. If so, I thin it will take him longer than Ronnie and Messi to get there, but he what 23/24, he is finally on a fitness run, I think he may surprise people by how he develops, he is not at that top level but he is working very hard to get there, he just needs consistence and better decision making, I for one would be happy to see him in a United shirt, I think he would improve massively here, he has the right attitude, he is ambitious and he is very talented.
Saying that he will go to RM this summer I don’t doubt.
As for Ando, he does not appreciate how good he has it, he has been here a long time without really delivering, I think he has a false sense of how good he is and has become accustomed to luxury and wealth, life is easy for him, if he does not make it for Brazil his own fault, Oscar will be in MF ahead of him by a long shot.
Bale is a good player but overrated 50mill must be fucking joking,just can’t believe Bayern would shell that much out for him.
No proof to say he has a false sense of how good he is, arrogance is one thing i don’t think anderson has so we can dump that in the toilet but he’s admittedly laid back and to reach the very highest level, you need to eradicate that but reality is, maybe.anderson is amongst the good players and not necessarily world class, i think he can still carve.out a career at that level at a club, not every player will be world class. At the end of the day, he’s a united player. Get behind the lad.
Personally I think it may be a bit of miscommunication. There was that point where he was fit but for some ridicioulous reason Gibson was making the squad or even the starting 11 and he wasn’t and there were plenty of reports of busts up and even confirmation from Fergie that he had been unhappy. So I suspect that it may have been during this period that perhaps he asked to leave the club rather than it being a desire to leave now.
Mind you I do think he needs either Fergie to play him more regualrry or sell him as I think its the sparodic game time that plays a part in his injuries. Look at how Rafa has improved in his injury record with the constant game time (but Fabio is still struggling with injuries). Some players just need competitive top level games on a regular basis to keep their fitness at the top level and to prevent injuries, Wayne Rooney is the perfect example.
On the idea that the club shoukd have used Andersons wages towards Pogba demands, that wouldn’t have helped as the deal for Pogba that was on the table for atleast 6months had a weekly wage in the same ball partpk as he gets at Juve. The issue was his Agents fee as the way things work is Agents always get more on a transfer deal than a contract renewal as its more ‘complex’ and is part of the transfer budget. Its even higher if its a free transfer as the agent and player can get a sizeable chunk of what would have been used to buy the player. If United had of agreed to pay the agent £2mill for a contract negotiation then all the agents of the fringe players would have demand the same and the real starts would have demanded many times more
FA Cup – Arsenal 0:1 Blackburn – full time.
Stoked, they have far too many trophies. We need to get our 12th, and stretch our lead.
Nani in collision with unmarked police vehicle.
Seems no one badly hurt thank gods!
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/footballer-nani-in-police-car-crash-29075841.html
I think if United got Bale next season Sir Alex would make him one of the best players in the world.He is carrying Spurs on his own like Robbo, Cantona, did for us. I think he is made for United Zaha on one wing Bale on the other RVP and Rooney up front fuck me we would beat anyone.
Well, about playing Anderson more frequently to get him fit, I think Sir Alex knows better. Remember earlier in the season when Anderson was only getting one game every other week? And the moment he played 2 games in a row he got injured? So there has to be something else wrong. Could be that he is not training at the right intensity? Could be his body is just naturally injury prone? Either or what ever reason it is, the club has shown more patience in him than to many other players, so if he still cant get fit this season, it should be curtains for him. Anyway, with Scholes & Fletcher seemly gone, Tunni & Petru nowhere near ready, and Giggs out of contention for CM, we are definitely short of bodies in there. A new face is a must in the summer
I think Ando does think he is better than he is and does not appreciate what he has, that is why he is laid back, there is no pressure internally or externally, his talent got him in easy street and now he thinks he does not need to do more. When he was trying to establish himself in Portugal he worked far harder and was more serious, after he got to United, got a big paycheck that changed. SAF has given him good runs several times, top players develop consistency after a while that is what sets them apart from those who occasionally shine. I think Ando has had enough games in the past to try to prove himself, I just don’t think he does that extra bit in training to maintain himself and improve. Contract his approach with Bale who is the same age.
The reason Ando is struggling to get into the Brazil squad is that there are players who are better than him. I doubt playing more for United would make a big difference unless he stepped up significantly to a level he has not reached yet.
In terms of people saying get behind our player, don’t criticise Ando, you can fuck off, I support the team and what is best for the team, this thread is about him, people will analyse him and fans have every right to do that, especially those of us who pay to go to games, you just want to praise all players and bitch about peoples analysis of him then get off this blog and go sit in your bubble bath, silly immature twats. No one is abusing him, everyone is entitled to their view on him. And the consensus seems to be he has not delivered and there is a question as to whether he ever will.
To those people saying ‘get behind our player’, please DON’T fuck off.
Nothing wrong with drumming up a bit of support for one of our lads.
Anderson at top top fitness can’t last a full ninety minuted,barely 60 and to top it off he’s not very good.I would have had him out the door years ago.not one of his fans i’m afraid.
I agree with many comments about Anderson.he is got an incredible talent, he makes an important quad player, he is injury prone, he loves United, he provides something others can’t…bla bla.but I should totally agree with Costas quoting him “one thing for sure he should be thankful to be still part of this club”
Fergie has obviously given him many chances to prove his worth.he seemingly not trying hard enough in the training sessions may be or something related to the Brazillian sedentary life style.
Anderson showed good form earlier in the season before he pulled his hamstring. You could see the disappointment on his face when he trudged off the field that day. Its disconcerting the way he keeps having these cycles of hard work, just to see it evaporate due to injury. He’s young and a great presence in the dressing room – I’d like to see him competing for places next season. With giggs and scholes being phased out and fletcher’s illness, I’d like to see a new midfielder bought in next season who can play in the first team straight away. The question is who – not many world class midfielders out there who would be available.
@In David We Trust and TheRedLagion
Topic: Ronaldo, love to hate, hate to love.
how are you guys? I understand your views, and I don’t want to go to the Ronaldo discussion, cause I understand that everyone acknoledges his talent and what he did.
But for me he gave 3 great season from his 6, and that’s very very good. then decided to go. In my eyes he will be a legend, this is my opinion, I understand the traditions of players staying, but in this world that we live, it’s hard to find foreign players who stay for 6 years and give you 3 great seasons, win titles and become the best in the world and after leaving the team, their Ex-coach still love you..
One can argue about his third season, but in my eyes and those who really knows it, we won the title, went into CL finals and Ronaldo helped us in that, so YES, 3 great seasons. Maybe he was a bit different and started slow, but he scored and helped the team. and when the season moved on, he gave his best and helped us win games. IS he selfish? YES: but he loves our club and never bashes us.
Somebody mentioned Berba on the bracket of love towards United. Well Berba after leaving, gave stupid comments about SAF and started reasoning. I think what SAF did to him wasn’t good, but the thing is, he complained after leaving and HE gave us ONE good season and still gets praised.
Ronaldo 3 great seasons and still loves us, one can argue that it’s only papertalk and talk is cheap, btu why it’s cheap only for Ronaldo??
BEckham, Van Nistelrooy went also to Real Madrid after giving everything to United, but I keep them as legends also, why? cause look at their stats and contributions, and when they talk nicely about us, people get orgasms, me included
but Ronaldo did even bettr than them and he only praises us, and people complain??
The word legend is a hard one, cause yes Best, Charlton, Cantona etc are legends, but it was in their time when people stay for all their career in one team (Cantona came from Leeds).
Cantona for example gave us 5 good seasons and won PL 4 times, Ronaldo 6 seasons and won it 3 times and CL 1 time and became the best in the world. ANd put us again to the map.
OF Course it’s a team game, and United goes first, but you can’t deny the fact that sometimes there are factors and one better player than the others who will bring you the last touch.
So basically they are in the same bracket, yes Cantona gave us that extra light which made us even bigger, but didn’t Ronaldo also? Anyway, United first and ROnaldo is gone, but it annoys me, when people seem to have double standards towards Ronaldo. peace.
UNITED WE STAND!
“we won the title, went into CL finals and Ronaldo helped us in that, so YES, 3 great seasons. Maybe he was a bit different and started slow, but he scored and helped the team. and when the season moved on, he gave his best and helped us win games. IS he selfish? YES: but he loves our club and never bashes us.”
This is related to his sixth season which was not very great compared to his fifth.
peace.
Cantona for example gave us 5 good seasons
GREAT seasons
sorry for the typo
I also want to add that for some supporters ,
David Beckham and Cristiano Ronaldo is their Cantona like for example for me, and for others Cantona is their Georgee Best etc, if you understad what I mean,
so bashing Ronaldo or Becks, it’s like for others when Cantona is bashed, cause everyone hasn’t had the privilidge to watch Cantona live or in their tv because of their age back then and the TV-rights that didn’t get you Premier LEague football every weekend.
If you understand this, you will understand those supporters who think Becks, Keano, ACole, DYorke, , Ruud and Ronaldo, is a legend in their sights ::) I didn’t include Scholesy and Giggsy or some others worth mentioning, so don’t bash me if I left some better players outside, because I think between these 1998-2006 squad players, those I mentioned left the club and we still respect them.
Understand this and you will understand everything.
@ WeAreUnited – Agree with your point generally, to me Ronnie is a legend, I had the privilege of seeing him live and he is a player you would pay to watch, he was extraordinary, he improved each year and he won everything, played in all the big games, was best in the world when he was here and helped us kick Chelsea and Barca in the groin.
One thing I disagree about, SAF did NOT treat Berbatov badly – it is stupid to say that, SAF played the team he felt was best and that is what he is expected to do – Berbatov could have handed in a transfer request any time and given up the cosy 100k a week he was getting for the extended year. At that stage it was clear to a moron that he was never going to be first or second choice after Pea and Welbeck came on the stage and after he was dropped for all big games. He also failed to gel as a strike partnership. He stayed because he is not ambitious, he just liked being there, if he was ambitious he would have gone to a better club than Fulham. SAF was right, he looks completely ordinary now, no one is paying any attention to him. SAF only extended his agreement as it was in the interests of the Club to sell him for something and as a back up if the young players failed to deliver, fortunately they delivered and we got a real master in RVP. Berbatov will always be remembered as a flop, despite doing well for half a season, in the sense that he was never the player SAF thought he would be for the £30mn he paid, he did not expect a player he could not even put in a squad and who was basically benched much of his time.
Re Ando – I can’t help wondering is he doing enough to stop those injuries – Giggs does yoga, takes care of himself, other players work hard to strengthen their weaker areas and keep injury risk low, Ando should be doing everything he can to keep his body in top condition.
Anderson is an incredibly frustrating player. He’ll play fantastically well for 5 games a season, he’ll do alright for another 5, he’ll be awful in 5 and he’ll spend the rest of the season out injured.
It’s a shame as his potential is obvious, but he needs a bit of consistency. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s sold in the summer.
Unless there’s solid proof about Ando’s lifestyle and training regime people shouldn’t be just assuming Ando has issues in that area.Rooney gets picked on all the time for his lifestyle and not being fit yet when he plays normally covers more ground than anyone
Ronnie can never be considered a Utd legend imo because he always wanted out.Time has changed history and Ronnie has fallen in love with Utd since he left.Simple fact is for the last 3 years of his contract the transfer rumors were constant and put Utd fans through the wringer every transfer window
@ wayne – agreed, it may be the case Ando is giving it his best all round and fully focused.
@NBI
I only used Berba as an example cause someone said he loves the club etc, and when Ronaldo does the same, it’s a travesty.
BUT
I agree with you 100% about Berbatov, but don’t want this to be a berba issue, and maybe he did request a transfer and SAF changed his mind and played games with him. we never know. Anyway, not talking about Berba, because I though SAF got it right, that he didn’t keep him. though he’s pure class and all due respect where it belongs for the 19th title, Nani Chicha and Berba.
Bu Glad that you are on the same line with me about Ronaldo.
@wayne
Ronaldo is a legend, compare him to Cantona, and you knwo the truth. Yes Cantona is a sensitive issue and he’s one of the greates and hard to compare, but the same is with the later generation, the Beckham, generation and the Ronaldo generation.
I (beckham generation) consider him as a legend, you can’t deny that, he won more than Cantona and gave us again those glory days and lifted us the same way Cantona did.
You say, yes but it’s a team game, he had a great team, well the same you can say about the generation of Cantona and Best.
Forget that he wanted out, it’s a thing people seem to keep it too close to tthem. he’s a foreigner and it’s a success if you get what we got from him in 6seasons, he loves the team and always loved and now he realises it even more. He’s a cocky man, but he was our cocky man, and thank God we witnessed it here.
Like @NBI said he improved each year and he won everything, played in all the big games, was best in the world when he was here and helped us kick Chelsea and Barca in the groin.
Cristiano Ronaldo #7, a Legend.
Palace manager Ian Holloway on Zaha’s role (2 assists) in the 4-1 win over Middlesbrough.
“In front of the England manager, I thought Wilf was excellent. We have a few who make a difference. He is one of them. This was as good as he has played since I have been here. He is literally as good as any chef I have seen. And he has roasted their full-backs all day and they will be glad to see the back of him.”
have to add, when I say Beckham generation, well I mean the generation when Beckham was the key man along the Scholes, Neville brothers, Keano, Babyface assassin, Irwin, etc
Because I realise that they played together hahah
The time, when the transition happened and those that I earlier mentioned were the superstars and there were no Cantona anymore and this is from 1998 ->
Sorry mate we’ll agree to disagree just can’t give legendary status to a player who had a couple of good seasons at the club,you go on about Ronnie always loving the team but that wasn’t evident when he was at Utd.It was always turmoil and all we ever heard about was his boyhood dream and his love for Real Madrid.It’s only the past year Ronnie has started laying it on thick about his love for Sir Alex,Utd and his ex teammates.
Ronnie has always been about Ronnie not Utd or his teammates,i’m not knocking his football ability or his achievements but i’m not naive either, absolutely no way does Ronnie deserve the same status as Cantona or Best not even close
@WeAreUnited
Berbatov never made any silly comments about the manager. Some tabloids quoted a line about him not wanting to say goodbye when the actual comment was “I didn’t have time to say goodbye”. Not that he didn’t have a right to be upset about some of the treatment he received in the last 12 months of his United career. But he never made a Tev-ass out of himself and that still bothers some.
Anyway, fans can love whoever they want. You want to love Ronaldo be my guest. I’m fond of him too. But I’m more fond of Berbatov. Because when it came down to it, Berbatov declined a big money offer to join United and Ronaldo left the club to make more money elsewhere. It’s not always about who has the most talent on the pitch.
Van Persie said: “I have found out that when you play for Manchester United, every game is a big game. There are some extra-special matches – like when you play City or Liverpool in the Premier League and Real Madrid in the Champions League – but the so-called smaller games are important also because winning those games makes you champions. Personally, I love to play all of the games.
“You get into a rhythm. I get used to having a game every three days and when you don’t play for a week, it can take maybe 10 or 15 minutes to get your rhythm back. I want to play against Reading. I want to keep going, playing all of the games. I love the intensity of playing for United. It is great to be involved in huge games when you don’t know what is going to happen. You get more out of it when there is a thin line between winning and losing. I love the buzz, the drama, the excitement. I live for that.”
On Wednesday night’s 1-1 draw with Real: “That second chance I had, just after I hit the bar, that should have gone in. I mis-hit the ball. I wanted to hit it hard, but I just couldn’t produce the power. We won’t sit back against Madrid in the second leg – that isn’t in United’s DNA. Teams like Manchester United, Real Madrid and Barcelona – great teams – don’t bother whether they are at home or away.
“Hopefully we can go further in the Champions League and test ourselves against some more top teams in Europe. But first we must focus on getting beyond Madrid. The manager says that is an acid test for us and he is right. The way this season is going, it feels like it could be very, very special. I am playing in games that are the greatest you can play in.”
“The manager said: ‘Don’t play the occasion, play the game’. I think we did that.”
@costas mate, he never went Tevez, of course but That Quote is not also good talk and is disrespectful against SAF. Is it correct or not? and just tabloid talks?
“I said goodbye to the people who deserve it, I couldn’t say goodbye to Ferguson,” said the Bulgarian.
“I know he’s the boss but he has lost, to some extent, my respect because of the way he treated me.”
I might be wrong with Berba, I admit that, but I respect more Chicha than Berba. Chicha in his first season robbed the starting place from Berba, and it was supposed to be Berba’s season. So how can you interpret that.
To be correct, I liked Berba and respected his sublime touch, but that’s it, he surprised me in the 19th season year, and all respect towards that, but he lost his place to Chicha when it mattered, and we know what happened in the FInal of UCL where he didn’t play.
As for Ronaldo, I am not loving him, I amd showing respect towards him and compare him with amongst the best, that have played for United.
It was always about Ronaldo, we know that, and it will always be, but you can’t deny that he was a professional ON THE FIELD, and did everythign for this club, so it’s silly not to put him on that bracket of legends, these days we have tabloids.
I rested my case on thee reason I try to “defend” Ronaldo, it’s closer to me than Cantona’s era, so for me he’s a Cantona and Becks, Scholes and Giggsy were and are my Bobby Charlton, George Best and Duncan Edwards.
How do you know, what Best etc thinked and did they wanted out? you never know
I just want to ask you this mate and answer me if you can and want, @Wayne also, so when Ronaldo made the slave comments and the rumours about him wanting to leave all the time, they couldn’t be only tabloid-rumours???? And when Berba says about SAF something, they are only rumours and misquoted? In the Quote and words of our Legend Cristiano Ronaldo: “It’s always Cristiano, I don’t understand” ; “I feel confidence and only God knows” -> with a little smile and sarcasm from me
@wayne agree to disagree mate, I respect that, and you opinion, cause you’re not that wrong, but I just can’t agree with you mate of him not being a Legend, your time was different and mine is different, and you had the privilidge to follow the older generations and I the newer, if I am correct that you are a bit older than 24?
And 2 seasons?? I don’t know where you get only two mate
? He was very good on the season before leaving, do you forget his comeback goals???? and the ones that led us against Arsenal and Porto? Scott even made a thread where he said his last season was individually his best, and I disagreed and thought his second last was his best. So my opinions have a straw.
I know people don’t want stats, but we know how he played and how good he was on the pitch. so stats are extra. And stats gives you trophies. Stats for only CL and PL, so you can compare his first great season to his last. A difference, but he was injured at the beginning of his last season and came back slowly, we gave him time, like to Rooney now, so no excuse on that.
2006-2007: Premier League winner,
Manchester United PremGames 34 Goals 17 Assists 14
Manchester United UCL Games 11 Goals 3 Assists 5
Total: 45 Games Goals 20 19 Assists
2007-2008: Premier League winner, Champions league winner, Fa-Community shield, (FifaWorldCup)
Manchester United Prem Games 34 Goalss 31 Assists 7
Manchester United UCL Games 13 Goals 9 Assists 1
Total: 47 Games Goals 40 Assists 8
2008-2009 Premier League, Champions League Final two. FifaWorldCup
Manchester United PremGames 33 Goals 18 Assists 6
Manchester United UCL Games 12 Goals 4 Assists 2
Total: 45 Games Goals 22 Assists 8
And when you look back all the comebacks he was involved, all the trophies and everything related with him, can’t deny him not playing 3 great seasons.
In his last season with us, he scored 4 UCL goals, but they were important ones.
But let’s agree to disagree. Players leave and players go. peace and respect.
UNITED WE STAND!
Fact remains and ramble on as much a big issue seller or throw the toys out of the pram, you have no proof to claim “he thinks he’s better than he is or he doesn’t do enough”, all hypothetical bollocks. Anderson has been at the club long enough and if fergie noticed a drop in desire and commitment from him, he’d be sent packing. I don’t think anderson has claimed he wanted to be in the brazilian team but there’s no doubting his talent, if he gets a run going then he does have a realistic chance of getting into the team, he was in the team once before and he can do it again as he has the quality regardless of people rating him or not.
i think it’s fair to say question can be thrown at him regarding his long term stay at the club but to question his commitment is bemusing. You do not see him in training, you do not know what psychological state he.is in, you basically have no idea.
@wayne @ costas and others that are interested or share same views with me or them, please be patient and read it.
I apologise for the long post. Couldn’t leave it without the spaces cause it looks very ugly and disrespectful towards the reader.
So bare with me guys.
anderson great when fit and him and cleverley linked up,but,probably had enough chances and if he is fixing for a move prove it by playing games and staying fit or else nobody will pay a transfer fee for you.
PS- wayne why are you chatting about ronaldo on an anderson comment . try to be consistent.
I respect your opinion as well mate you just hand out Legend status a lot different than me.I don’t think our age difference or the players I’ve seen compared to you has much to do with it.As Costas pointed out lot more intangibles than playing ability and stats that go into making a Legend.We just have different ways of coming to the final determination which is fair enough
Because the subject came up and its a Utd discussion on a Utd thread and I’ve already put comments in about Ando,where’s not the consistency you’re not making any sense
Dreaded I love everything about RVP top quality lad on every level
@WeAreUnited
It was easier to find out whether Berbatov was misquoted becauce his interview was given at a live audience. It wasn’t at some newspaper. Some Bulgarians that were present at the press conference clarified what he actually said. The part about Sir Alex not deserving a goodbye was taken out of context by the tabloids over here. He also expressed his disappointment about his limited match time during the last season, even though the manager reassured him about his place in the team. Which I wouldn’t describe as disrespectful in any way.
As for Ronaldo, any comment that is made directy at a local newspaper or website is always harder to critisize. Because no one knows for sure what he said. The slave comment falls in that category. I have my issues with Ronaldo’s behavior during that summer, but they are not related to that comment. He made a LOTof noise about wanting to join Real and that’s not something the tabloids made up.I am not denying he was a pro on the pitch, but to this day I don’t know if I would consider him a United legend. He robbed himself of that privilege imo. Every player that I’d consider a United legend spent his best years at the club. Ronaldo was a United great that turned into a Real legend, sadly.
@ costas
‘I used to like Anderson, but truth be told, his wages would have been better spent on Pogba and another young midfielder.’
You said it all….i think leaving Pogba was big mistake…
If my first comment of the day is ‘i thought Giroud had a shit game against Blackburn’ then by all means take a shot but trying to take a shot when i’m discussing Utd on a Utd blog is pathetic
wayne – RVP is pure class. Sir Alex is such a drawcard, as is our success rate, but I reckon every premiership player looks at our camaraderie and unity of purpose with great yearning.
markg if there is one word to describe wayne over the years on RoM, it’s ‘consistent’. You on the other hand, are ‘irrelevant’.
dreaded – maybe but make a comment without kissing someones arse
@mara
I think we’ve reached the point where we’ve depended on some midfielders for far too long and other than Cleverley, we haven’t seen any new blood in that area. Like I said, if I had the option of choosing either Ando or Pogba this summer, I would have gone with the latter for that very reason. Of course there are always other options out there…
markg – you’re so much fun to have around.
dreaded i only commented to you after you commented to me .
@wayne cheers mate!
Every player that I’d consider a United legend spent his best years at the club. Ronaldo was a United great that turned into a Real legend, sadly.
I think yes, that our approach towards the legend status is kind of different and I didn’t based that only on stats. The stats were to show you that Cristiano had 3 great seasons with us. They were nothing more.
But yeah, we kinda see it differently. For you, CR7 attitude was disgusting, and for me I could watch other them and see the other side of the coin and that’s why keep him as a legend.
But We have gone a long way in many arguments, and this is just one more to it
@costas I didn’t know that about Berba’s interview, glad I know it now. Still won’t change my mind for him, pure class, amazing touch, I will never forget his attributes and how I was exited after his hattrick against Liverpool etc, but the pond was too big for him.
As for ROnaldo, yes he always made the noise, but everybody knew about that in United, SAF and the tabloids, the difference was that the tabloids used it in a negative way to distract United, like they are doing at the moment with DDG, it doesn’t mean there’s nothing into it, but they make it too much of a big deal. Look, A foreigner who got his chance in ManUtd, fullfilled his ambitions and was ready to move on, I understand that, and many can’t handle that, and that’s why it’s so hard to swallow in CR7′s case.
I admit that this sentence of yours made me think : QUOTE “Every player that I’d consider a United legend spent his best years at the club. Ronaldo was a United great that turned into a Real legend, sadly.”
But then I have to ask you the question, do you consider David Beckham, Roy Keane, Andy Cole and Dwight Yorke and Ruud as legends? I myself think they are. It’s a strong word, that should be used wisely, but then what determines the status, sometimes, you fall off with the coach and sometimes you want to take new challenges, why thosep layers can’t be considered legends?
Because we speak of Ronaldo, then some stats Ronaldo 292 apperances for United and 118 goals and is 18th on the goalscoring list for us compared to other legends via ManUtd.com, For example RVN 29 and 150 goals.
A hard topic to handle, cause everyone sees it differently and there’s basically no right way to judge.
That’s why peace and UNITED WE STAND!
I do believe as the financial shackles finally start coming off, that our midfield will be reinforced. Pogba is one with huge potential who certainly could have stepped up, but ultimately at a time when the club was transitioning and the underlying financial structure for the future was yet to be determined, he needed to show faith. Loyalty is a rare quality and one which United players have shown in abundance to the manager and the club. A credit to both. We lost him but cant regret him. Anderson is in his make or break year. Our Attack has finally reached a level where it is unmatched in the league. Our defense has proved itself once again. Midfield is the last piece in the jigsaw and perhaps why i felt that maybe we encountered Real a year too early. Doesn’t matter the Master manager that Sir Alex is, we keep winning. We’ll sort out the midfield, and as Sir Alex said if youre good enough you’ll get rewarded at Utd. If Anderson wants to leave he can go. About time, with Scholesy and Giggsy approaching their twilight, we get one or two people in midfield. United are stronger now than when we lost Pogba, and United will get stronger next year.
I mixed up a copypaste to my first sentence, which was the quote of Costas and it was related to him.
A MISTAKE but never mind.
Crazy stats
——————–RVP all games included for us from the start or the bench
Games 32 Goals 23 Assists 7 -> Total 30 points in 32 Games on hockey stats, AMAZING!!!!!
——————–Rooney
Games 26 Goals 13 Assists 10 _> Total 23 points in 26 Games
——————-Chicharito
Games 25 Goals 14 Assists 5 -> Total 19 points in 15 Games
——————-Welbeck + Kagawa, together, cause they have been switching positions.
44 Games Goals 4 Assists 8 Assists -> Total 12 points in 44 Games
PS: On the Ando issue, I siad earlier that I didn’ believe the story and thought it’s only a rumour, cause if he wanted out, SAF would have gotten him out. And if he’s stupid enough to really say that in an interview, well he’s next to go, SAF will not tolerate that, and that’s why Nani is unfortunately also next going
I loved the lad from day one, and always when my hopes gets high, he gets injured, then come back and the same rollercoaster ride starts, should we fix the rollercoaster who migh make noise or just buy a new one and develope it into the best rollercoaster around?
look at Ando’s stats below, and tell me can he really complain after playing so little? http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/88360/anderson?cc=5739 ,
Pogba was never an option to stay though, was he? How is it a mistake?. Fergie has lost out on greats of the game like ronaldinho and batistuta yet we see weeping over a player who’s admittedly talented and has potential but he’s yet to do anything of significance in the game and with a greedy agent, how long before he causes a rift at juve.and gets hawked around like raiola hawks around the likes of balotelli, his clients never stay long enough at a club, this is just the beginning of a nomadic career for pogba, he’ll never truly settle at one club. United have petrucci, powell, daelhi, januzaj amongst many, all players with just as much ability but hey, mope on over sir pogba the football messiah
Fuck with Pogba, tired with him. Italian league is a piss poor league, if welbeck was sold to one of Italian big clubs he would’ve score 15 goals by now and the very same people who slate him wouldve blame Fergie for letting him go.
Petrucci is on loan at peterborough, exactly what he needs to round off his game and become a complete central midfielder, ge’s grafting in a relegation battle and that hopefully will toughen him up. I can see petrucci and powell competing for first team roles, they ate both technically gifted and with another season.past, they’ll hopefully be stronger. That’s two central midfielders right there to add to what’s already at the club and i reckon fergie has one or two midfielders lined up. People need to get one thing right, fergie will never do a galactico shopping, he’ll never totally overhaul the entire midfield, you have to keep experience and add to it either through those coming through or being bought. No perseverance at all from at least 85% of fans, thankfully the man in charge has plenty and knows the importance of player development or united would be bankrupt/have no identity.
tired of hearing talks about Wanyama Strootman etc joining us. We have lots of players coming through the ranks, totally agree with Samuel’s comment above, Fergie always knows how to keep the United identity intact.
Can have all the players you want coming through,But this team seriously needs a presence in midfield.A go to guy if you like and I find it hard to comprehend it hasn’t been addressed over the last three years or so.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2279948/Hamburg-player-Son-Heung-Min-wanted-Manchester-United-Chelsea.html
OH fucking great more in the future.And the engine room? Fuck it is it.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4798737/Robin-van-Persie-I-live-for-the-buzz-but-I-dread-what-follows.html
I don’t get the part of who loves Berba more than Ronaldo or Charlton more than Ronaldo whatsoever. Can’t we love them all? Why must there more for one or another? They are all part of our history, and I love them all =p
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/football/view/299191/Roberto-Alex-boys-giving-me-Real-hope/
Zaha testerday worth a look.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/so-this-is-why-sir-alex-signed-him-up-man-uniteds-wilfried-zahas-highlights-crystal-palace-v-boro/
i like roberto martinez.he’s an ambitious manager who loves to play exciting football.set the ball rolling for swansea and look where they are now.never says a bad thing about man united and respects his opponents.too bad wigan get an annual walloping from us.
I heard was immense last night
One for the future, really have high hopes for this guys
@dazbomber thanks for the YOUTUBE vid really enjoyed
7AHA
Zaha looking amazing, he will be the next big thing here with United. 10mill will be like 1 million, because of his talent.
Imagine Zaha 20, DeGea 22, Chicharito 24, Welbeck 22, DaSilva Twins 22, Smalling 22, Cöleverley 24, Kagawa 23, Jones 20, Nink Powell 20, Petrucci 21, Michael KEane 20, Henriquez 18, Buttner 23, Ando 24.
Looking good guys, looking very good, add some experience into it with RVP, Rooney, , Valencia, Young, VIda, Nani, Evra and Carrick for example
Who said that we are struggling, already TOP OF THE LEAGUE BABY.
If we win our 20th title and possibly CL, I bet that SAF will make an even bigger transition to our team., and play more kids. Because history repeats itself.
BELIEVE
@Marq
you’re probably right, and I really do support all our previous and current players. UNITED before players, but we were only discussing the issue, but I get you point
After backing DeGea, now SAF backing Shinji, so It’s good to hear he has a plan for him! watch us next year!!! and this year ain’t even over
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2013/Feb/sir-alex-ferguson-thinks-shinji-kagawa-will-adapt-to-premier-league.aspx
You may not like it (tough) but players coming is a part of united’s history and it’s very important. Of course if quality midfielders. I fail to see how fergie isn’t “adderessing” it, perhaps he and his scouts are yet to see the ideal players and if they do and are avalaible then fergie will push for a deal but this youth policy you non-chalantly disregard is an important element of manchester united.
Why didn’t fergie get a ready-made when neville packed it in?.he’ll always favour younger players coming through and if they have quality, he won’t buy but you can’t stop improving.and fergie will have an eye out for midfielders.
Zaha looks the real deal, you’re tempted to say he even resembles a young CR7 with the step overs and the showboating to match. But he seems very unselfish, unlike CR7 and Nani when they first came to United. Nani and Tony V have to be worried, and need to rediscover their form as there will be some serious competition in that right wing next season. Cant wait!!!
I don’t like it and yeah it is tough,think maybe if anyone is nonchalant it’s yourself.Think our midfield is hunky dory do you?
@Samuel – who would you add to United’s first team midfield contingent next season? Whether it be from our youth or outside.
As for ronaldo – I rate him as a club legend. The first united ballon d’or winner since George best. He was young when he left us, he probably appreciates us more now that he’s matured. Great player, won us a European cup.
Our midfield is Horrific,game by game they are over run,be very thankfull for Van Persie or by Christ you wouldn’t be so nonchalant.
Hardly horrific parry, who do you think brings our forwards into play? Carrick is our only midfielder in his prime, everyone else will improve with time. We are slowly putting together a great group of midfielders. And its s squad game now at united, it takes time to embed that culture among the players so that the team doesnt suffer when we refresh. We are 12 points ahead on the league, doing well in both the cups – what more can you ask for from a squad thats improving.
sam.
you may disagree with my point and I could perhaps phrase it better but who helps our defenders keep clean sheets by being people our defence can rely on to give some protection too.Our defence has Two people in Rio and Nemanja who have presence.That does not apply in our mid and we do not need a break the bank midfielder but we do badly need an aura of confidence guy and how the people responsible cannot see we are lacking is nothing short of amazing.There are a goodly number of posters on this site recognise it as well.As for your question sam Van Persie is pracicly sucking the ball to himself thank God.
@sam and @parry
I think both have great arguments and we knwo that we should count on youngster, but you don’t win games by thinking only the future. We are TOP OF THE LEAGUE baby! but it doesn’t mean we are super good with our midfield or that we shouldn’t get that extra presence to our midfield like @parry put it.
I have to agree with @Parry, and even though it sounds harsh, but it doesn’t mean we will not play youngsters or count on them, if their good enough they will play.
Letäs take a look at our midfielders and not counting those who can make it, but the presence.
Carrick : best of the mdifielders, 31 years old, getting older but even better
Cleverley: our current and our future player, 24 old, can be onjury prone and SAF thinks he can’t be played more than 3games in a row for some reasons, can be rotation, but yeah.
Anderson: 24 old, INJURY-prone and form-prone, maybe the most talented one, but can’t play more than 60-70 minutes and 1-2 games in a row. Maybe leaving if the rumours are true.
Fletcher: Maybe ending his career? ill and we will never know will we get him back to his form or ever.
Scholes: is not anymore even a part.time player, maybe will retire?
NickPowell: for the future, 18 old and can break into the team, but it will take take knowing SAF.
Giggsy: is he a iwnger or a midfielder. He has played better in the wings, because that’s what he is, when i nthe middle it’s a bigger risk, 39 old.
Kagawa: Can play in the middle in 433, but he’s more as a second striker or o nthe left.
then we have the likes of Petrucci and Tunnicliffe and some like Daehli etc, but they can’t be counted yet, until we knwo will we keep Petrucci and how will Tunni develope here, I hope like TomCleverley, but you never know, ifs and buts.
SO where will we remain? do we need to buy 1 more or 2 more and promote youngster and give them time. We are kinda short of midfielders for the next season.
Beat Reading & a home tie probs Chelski, Shity another easy game when will they play anybody of note?
We can win this cup.
Sir Alex is building a squad. There’s not many squads out there that can top ours. We have the players capable of playing multiple formations and changing tactics. It takes Time to coach a squad that way – to play in transition, to be able to start a game one way and end it another; to be able to keep teams guessing as to how we set up – look at the real madrid game for example, our unpredictability gives us the edge. Our current attacking play is slowly evolving, centered around technical players and the young ones are learning how to play this way just like how our previous teams evolved. Sir Alex is a genius at building teams and evolving the play in line with the times. Just because we are doing brilliantly doesn’t mean we are the finished product, we’ll reach that in the next two seasons. I think that midfielder you guys are longing for will arrive next season, and that aura too will arrive as the young ones mature. Be patient, we are not freaking man city.
Great posts by everyone.I will back any player who wears the shirt with pride and gives his all.If these comments were really made by the player I can’t help but say after all these years he hasn’t realized what United is all about.His injury stricken record has probably stalled his development but he is the only player we have as backup if cleverly gets injured.
@sam
nobody is saying we should go command oand buy all the players out there, but did yo usee our midfielders of this season.
one carrick, one Clevelrey who is played only 3 games in a row, one is ill Fletcher, one is 18 Powell, one is 38 Lefend/Scholes and maybe retiring and one is a Legend/Giggsy midfielder/winger with the age of 40 next season and one is a brazilian who is injury prone.
Yes we will do good with them, but basically 3 of those players could retire next season if the laws of physics would apply on ManUtd
unless Kagawa is transfored into a CM or Petrucci 21, Tunni 22 and Powell 20 raises their game next season, we will have only Carrick, Ando and Cleverley as standards for the midfield. And one winger.
I really hope the best, but we have to be realistic. We need maybe atleast 1 established and ready midfielder. WE WILL NEVER do a City and buy all available midfielders, but we need to get 1 or 2 to add into the squad.
peace.
Powell 19***
If we get only ONE just ONE RVP of midfield, it would be great
Look at what RVP has done, so why one established or a raising star or an unsung hero can’t be joined for us and help expand our squad into a better one + youngsters coming through.
We neeed only one RVP of midfielders, think about that!
But it would be very harsh to say that he is not a good player.The fact that the manager has been persistent with him through his unprofessionalism and injuries serves as a testament to his abilities.