Annual Review of Football Finance 2012

May 31, 2012 247 Comments

The Deloitte Sports Business Group presents the Annual Review of Football Finance 2012

Author: Scott Filed Under Stats

247 Comments

May 31, 2012 at 10:11
Jeet says:
Must compliment them on fantastic analysis and graphics, though they laid off a bunch of ppl including a good friend of mine couple of days back…
May 31, 2012 at 10:22
TonyBee says:
Yawn… Have we bought any cunt yet …
May 31, 2012 at 10:25
ji sung says:
Hmm city have jaguar and we’ve signed up with Chevrolet. What the fuck is going on in this world?!

So Audi is history then ha? That means no more Audi cup pre season tournaments against the likes of Ac Milan and Bayern etc

$5,865,000,000 – that is General Motors’ debt. No wonder Gill loves them – makes United’s debt look like sofa change
May 31, 2012 at 10:36
Tom Addison says:
“$5,865,000,000 – that is General Motors’ debt. No wonder Gill loves them – makes United’s debt look like sofa change”

You’ve robbed that directly from United Rant on Twitter. Cheeky shit.
May 31, 2012 at 10:40
ji sung says:
Haha no doubt I have. Its quality though.
May 31, 2012 at 10:51
Northwalesred says:
Dear Malc and sons,
Fuck off back to the USA
In the four wheeled skip
You call a Chevrolet.

And PS take Haw Haw Gill and YOUR debt with ya,
May 31, 2012 at 10:53
Cyril Sneer says:
NorthWalesred – A reference to Lord Haw Haw? Excellent!
May 31, 2012 at 11:06
AlphaRS says:
Yawn…. No point having the revenue growths with no signings in the midfields…! Thank you.
May 31, 2012 at 11:24
Albert Ross says:
Manchester United sign General Motors!

Colonel Costas, what are your thoughts?

Will this signing resolve fergie is the boss’s issues with the engine room?
May 31, 2012 at 11:54
Northwalesred says:
@Cyril Sneer
Correct, and remember, when victory came he paid the ultimate price for his treachery.
May 31, 2012 at 11:59
ed says:
We don’t need to win trophies and buy the very best players in the world to still be making a lot of money and meeting our debt repayments with ease.

We just need to be relatively competitive. Let Chelsea and City hoover up the trophies and we’ll show those cunts how to sell shirts and negotiate MEGA DEALS off the pitch.
May 31, 2012 at 12:02
Costas says:
@Albert Ross

Most definitely. Although I wouldn’t mind if we added Ramires’ engine to the collection.
May 31, 2012 at 12:10
WillieRedNut says:
FITB has finally got his wish for the engine room to be upgraded……
May 31, 2012 at 12:26
Jay says:
£120 million is what is being reported PSG
May 31, 2012 at 12:36
OHH AHH Cantona says:
What is this nonsense
May 31, 2012 at 12:50
Jay says:
To buy Rooney PSG it is reported would pay £120 million. If it was true what would you say to SAF.
May 31, 2012 at 13:04
wayne says:
If PSG want to pay $120 mill for Rooney sell him(sorry Zibbie)
That number is just madness another Arab owns PSG what a surprise.This stupidity has to stop
I’ve read a lot of comments on how Utd are broke and can’t compete anymore yet have the 3rd biggest wage bill in the prem,how does that work?
Ah I know its the Glaziers fault Chelsea and City are spending all their revenue on wages,time the Yanks fucked off
May 31, 2012 at 13:09
WillieRedNut says:
No way they’d pay that type of money for Rooney. More media BS, I’m guessing.
May 31, 2012 at 13:11
eddieTheRed says:
“Comparison of Total Wages with Final position in Premier league 2010/2011″

Am I right in thinking that any club which sits above the blue trend line in that graph is getting good value for money from the wages they pay out and any club below the blue line is being screwed by their players?
May 31, 2012 at 13:19
wayne says:
Eddie Utd have the most revenue and pay around 50 percent in wages I’m guessing all the clubs below are paying more than 50 percent
May 31, 2012 at 13:38
curtis says:
120 million for Rooney? Haha more than ronaldo? That’s a piss take considering he’s no where near ronaldo on the pitch or off it.. Lol I’d grab their hand off in an ideal world, but our current state of affairs we would never sell since we won’t be able to attract anyone as good to replace him, or Should I say the glazers won’t allow us to.. Besides if we did every club would try take us to the cleaners cause of the fee we got..
Anyway rooney wouldn’t want to go there I’m sure..
But how nice would it be if we could somehow start a bidding war betwerrn the arabs.. Could push them far enough to half our debt hahahaha if only
May 31, 2012 at 13:44
curtis says:
Sorry to go off topic again, but does anyone think we will be able to sell berba for more than 8 million?? We have fucked this up sorry to say, but we’ll be lucky to get a fair fee because we destroyed his value by sidelining him best option would be to offer him plus cash for a player we want cause every club knows how desperate we are to sell and that’s always a problem esp taking into account how we never sell at a premium bar ronaldo
May 31, 2012 at 13:49
wayne says:
Curtis haven’t seen one article about Utd been desperate to sell Berba mate?
May 31, 2012 at 13:57
Jeet says:
IF it’s true, I think 120 mil would be a lot of money, but we shouldn’t even entertain the thought.

One, it sends a very wrong signal to the rest of the world that for the money, Untd would sell its crown jewels.

Second, we would just contribute to the wage spiral. We did that once with ronnie, but since he really wanted to go to Madrid, it was different. In this case, I’m pretty sure Rooney wouldn;t want to go to PSG, and by selling him for that sort of money, we would end up nearly justifying 35 mil for Andy Carrol
May 31, 2012 at 14:00
curtis says:
Wayne neither have I and fair enough but I’m pretty sure we want to sell him, he wants to move because we don’t play him. It doesn’t translate to us being desperate to sell him yes, but to other clubs it will and therfore I think we’ll struggle to sell him for what we want?
I seriously doubt we’ll keep him.. But I just read that leverkusen consider him an option, (only if he was free) and that’s one of his potential suitors
May 31, 2012 at 14:03
NotoriousRedDevil says:
wayne – Some of those who comment like that are armchair fans and the closest they’ve got to OT is through a screen.

Last time I checked both chelski and cit-eh haven’t made ridiculous increases in ticket prices in the last 7 years. Tickets in the Stretty and East Stand rise from £22 pre glazers to £40 next season for us and look how many 1st choice targets we sign since that’s happened.

Add to that the club mentally masturbates the fans by going after players who are Blatantly after a bigger pay packet whilst increasing prices in the stadium, releasing a shit design for a new home shirt pretty much every season then there’s the £50 million a season in debt payments.

50% of turnover is a good amount to spend on wages. IMO players should be capped at £100k/w maximum. We go after players and have been turned a lot. Obviously its down to money and we should want players to play for the shirt. The only truly top player we pinched from under the noses of cit-eh was Berbatov (who actually wanted to play for the shirt) and look at the way he was treated. I’m sure thats put a few players off from coming to United especially as the other striker who plays in his position publicly negotiated himself a huge new deal whilst insulting and embarrasing the club, Fergie, his teammates and most importantly the fans.

Can’t have it both ways. No mercenaries! Only players who want to play for the shirt but we can fuck him off and treat him like shit if we want to because he’s earning lots of money. Don’t wash with me. The players who currently wear the numbers 9 & 10 shirt are proof we hire both at United.

For the record if PSG are offering £100 million for Rooney – SELL SELL SELL.
May 31, 2012 at 14:19
cubs says:
Wow take the money. I love Wazza but that is stupid money. Rooney does make cash for the club and trophies, wins and goals seem to follow this lad. I might have my head up my ass, but I believe Brisbane and all who say no worries the club is fine and if FFP hits. MUFC will rule. So keep Rooney and play the kids. SAF to keep stocking up on young talent for the next gaffer and his clubs future. GO ROONEY.
May 31, 2012 at 14:27
edcunited1878 says:
Too much bitching and complaining about who United get and don’t get. FFS, get over the fact that this isn’t the 1990s anymore and United have to contend with agents and billionaire owners who bankroll clubs with stupid cash. Without these commercial partners, United wouldn’t have a chance to be near top of the table. How the fuck can some of you call yourself a supporter when you blame someone (Glazer’s, SAF, Gill) when a player isn’t signed? United aren’t the only club trying to buy players. Agents and owners run around whoring themselves to the demise of the game. SAF will sign who he believes will play the United way and be welcomed by the club.
May 31, 2012 at 14:27
CedarsDevil says:
Sell Rooney and sign Nigella Lawson
May 31, 2012 at 14:31
Balaji Sivaraman says:
Oooh, first mention of Nigella.

Now, we’re really getting into the summer groove.
May 31, 2012 at 14:31
cubs says:
Go team, go.
May 31, 2012 at 14:35
cubs says:
Tree Jello my main man 19. Monkey in the hood, 13 is not zero, Rooney is my hero. But I love kebabs and zulu women.
May 31, 2012 at 14:38
cubs says:
The Indian mafia is my friend.
May 31, 2012 at 14:38
CedarsDevil says:
Zibbie

I know I know my friend!!

Balaji

Summers without Nigella mean nothing!
May 31, 2012 at 14:43
wayne says:
Notorious hi mate not sure what any of your points have to do with Utd having the 3rd biggest payroll in the league but anyway,Guardian recently published season ticket prices some with match day prices
Arse season ticket prices $985 to $1955
Chelsea $595 to $1250 matchday prices $41 to $87
City have just increased prices by 9 percent $275 to $745 but hard to count them because the club loses $195 mill per year and has issues with filling the stadium
Liverpool $725 to $780 matchday $39 to $48
Spurs $730 to $1845
Utd $532 to $950 matchday $30 to $52
Its not 7 yrs ago mate and apart from city Utd ticket prices are less or on par with all their main rivals
Until Utd have a bid for a player accepted how are they supposed to know what a player will want for wages? Your comment on that point makes no sense to me
Also as far as I know most teams produce new shirts every season no one forces anyone to buy them
some fans saying Utd are broke and not competitive is simply not true and if this squad is so mediocre as some fans say why the fuck is the club paying such high wages behind 2 fucking idiots who lose millions every year
May 31, 2012 at 14:45
NotoriousRedDevil says:
How can some of us call ourselves supporters?

I don’t know? Maybe making financial fucking sacrifices to watch our fucking team fucking play.

The cost of that is more and more which means more silent cunts inside OT which then means even less atmosphere then there already is which means when the chips are down less support for the players on the pitch (see most our home games) which then means less success which means less money which means increase of debt over time which means we could be doing a leads.

I get that we can’t sign every player in the case of Hazard didn’t want him because of his attitude. What I can’t stand is the club almost leading the fans on only to see said target join someone else. Making us all look like cunts in the process. Granted that happens every now and then but its been happening every season for a few years now.

Remember no mercenaries only players who want to play for the shirt. As if we treat the ones who love United with respect.

Wes Brown
Dimitar Berbatov
Danny Welbeck

All these players have been insulted by the club at one point where Brown’s loyalty was rewarded with a piss poor contract and similar with Welbeck too. We all know the Dimi story. We’ll be lucky to see someone from mainland Europe who is that good be loyal to the club ever again.

As far as I’m concerned if you’re spending money to watch United play and make noise when you go you can say what the fuck you like.
May 31, 2012 at 14:49
FletchTHEMAN says:
Just shows there is only one thing to focus on in football…… Agents fees! Shocking!

How do I sign up?
May 31, 2012 at 14:50
AlphaRS says:
@NotoriousRedDevil
I like that post mate.
Puts some reality back in the way we think as we are often blinded by the love we have for United.
May 31, 2012 at 14:51
FletchTHEMAN says:
Rooney going to PSG is a stupid an idea.
Rooney talking French? There should be a law to prevent any child from hearing that.
It will be like Tevez and english and probably end as badly.
May 31, 2012 at 14:52
Fred says:
“SAF will sign who he believes will play the United way and be welcomed by the club.”

Yep – like Bebe, who he’d never even seen play.
May 31, 2012 at 14:53
Imran says:
The beginning of a Chinese summer,

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/31/article-0-1361DAF6000005DC-421_468x340.jpg
May 31, 2012 at 14:55
CedarsDevil says:
NRD

You sound seriously upset mate…..Get laid soon, I mean get some frigging sex asap!

I do get where you’re coming from but just cannot grasp the concern.
May 31, 2012 at 14:59
wayne says:
Curtis Berba is not replaceable for the amount Utd will get for him,still one of the best strikers in the world,so I’m not so sure the club is desperate to unload unless the right deal comes along
May 31, 2012 at 15:08
Fred says:
I just hope the incomparable John Burgess is commentating on our pre-season games this year.
May 31, 2012 at 15:09
Imran says:
I like berba as a player, but i dont think he wants to stay if he’s gonna be a fourth choice striker. the boss didn’t want to play him ahead of hernandez, who was suffering from second season syndrome
May 31, 2012 at 15:09
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ wayne – Hello mate. I’d like to see our wages compared to the other European clubs. I can’t understand how our wages are so high. For different reasons other than Rooney, Vidic, Rio, Giggs and Nani and maybe Tony V. Nobody should be on top top money at United other than these players.

I agree with you about the shirts I haven’t bought one in years now. Still doesn’t stop some of the lemming supporters buying them though. Also not every club releases a home shirt every year. They’ve picked that one up from mainland Europe.

Officially the clubs have can only negotiate with a player once a bid has been accepted but come on mate reality is a different story. If that was the case why are agents always bleating on about player X has offers from Clubs A. B, C. Clubs know how much a player wants if they’re interested. Perhaps in the past they didn’t but with the technology we have today its impossible to know who has and hasn’t been tapped up.

In regards to our prices being in line with other clubs may be true but if you live and work round London you earn a lot more than if you do the North West. Everything is cheaper up north: houses, food, taxis, hotel. Everything except for United.

The 7 year reference was just me pointing out how much the last pre glazer game cost me which was in 04/05. It was £22. Our prices have almost doubled since they have got here. All that means in NotoriousRedDevil will only be going to 5 games next season..MAXIMUM.

I’m annoyed. People may not understand the link but the Michael Owen release was the nail in the coffin. We all took the piss out of him with his portfolio on why he can still hack it until he joined us. That transfer was nothing but desperate which majorly backfired and IMO has cost us at times in the last 3 years. Having a player who was consistently absent had no benefit on the team.

He’s hardly helped the younger players just look at Welbecks finishing inside the box, frankly its shit. Ditto Macheda. The way that saga unfolded means I don’t believe a single word coming out of anyones mouth from OT regarding transfers. Also the way we’ve handled deals involving Tosic, Lljac, Bebe shows me that we won’t buy anymore finished articles which is stupid in my opinion. You always need the right balance. Other clubs seem to have no trouble buying the finished article but we always do,.
May 31, 2012 at 15:11
Wakey says:
@wayne
It’s as I’ve always said, it’s easy for the likes of MUST to push interest payments and net spend but if you look at the actual spending figures on transfers and wages we spend plenty and do so in a responsible manner unlike the sugar daddy clubs.

@eddie & Wayne
the blue lines nothing to do with the 50% of revenue rate. United are one of only 3 clubs (United, Arsenal and Blackpool) who were under 50%. All the other PL clubs are overspending on wages although some are worse than others

@NotoriousRedDevil
As I keep saying on the ticket price increase however is that under the PLC they were kept artificially low as the waiting list looked good and helped the share price. So a good chunk of the Glazer increase are simply adjusts to bring prices inline with the natural increases.

The rest of the increase is simply business, from a business pov there is little point having a waiting list like the PLC had because that means your price point is wrong. MUST will say the falling waiting list is evidence that people are voting to get the Glazers out BUT I’m pretty sure most would take tickets if offered the cheapest current ones (which I believe are the most in demand) and even more would at the old prices.

It’s where you get the conflict as a fan, we would all like cheaper tickets BUT we also want the club buying the top players. Those 2 things simply don’t gel because wages are the most important thing and the wages united can offer can only increase as revenue does (and obviously wages are more than a single player, if we paid Hazard 200k then Rooney and others would be wanting more, either immediately if their contract has a wage clause or when it comes to the next negotiation)

United haven’t increased season ticket prices for a few years now, the sweet spot seems to have been found while City have increased theirs for next season between 9% and 17% which is after a 6% rise last season on the cheapest tickets. A little odd mind you for city to do this seeing how empty their stadium so often was as you would think a full stadium produces more income than a half filled one even if to fill it you need to cut prices

RE: Rooney
I have to say I would be tempted to accept that offer as its just crazy. Only problems are
1) Doubt Rooney would be up for going to France
2) it could leave a situation like Ronaldos fee did where it became hard to spend the money because everyone knows how much money is available so start asking for stupid amounts (Just as we saw with Liverpool with Carroll, the Torres 50mill almost certainly pushed that fee up)
May 31, 2012 at 15:14
Costas says:
I can see Curtis’ point. It’s something I thought about today too. Berbatov at the moment has no serious value. He’s gone from top scorer to 4th choice within a year and the general consensus is that he only got a contract extension just so he won’t leave for free. Leverkuzen already said that they would only sign him back on a free transfer and I can’t blame them. We would have an easier time trying to sell the guy if he made more than 3 starts in 2012 or was trusted a bit more when the strikers above him were misfiring or were playing injured…
May 31, 2012 at 15:17
Costas says:
As for the Rooney speculation, of course it’s bollocks. For one thing, no player other than Messi is worth that much right now. But say we had a 60-80 mil offer for him? Do we accept it? My answer is yes. But only if that money is invested in the team. If we repeat our strategy following Ronaldo’s sale, then Rooney must not leave. Because as much as it might help from a corporate standpoint, the team will be worse off.
May 31, 2012 at 15:24
Imran says:
@wakey
hi
on the rooney topic, doubt the boss will sell him even at that price,hes our best player and also the most marketable one.
and also you have to wonder who will step up if he leaves, unlike when we lost ronaldo, we dont have player who can score 25 goals and create for others, as of yet.
May 31, 2012 at 15:28
WillieRedNut says:
I would only comprehend selling Rooney if Fergie got the money to buy a replacement. That would be Cavani, for me.
May 31, 2012 at 15:34
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Cedars – Hello mate. Well tomorrow is Friday so who knows? The concern is as follows we are just about competing with a 50% turnover. Some people will point to the GD being the deciding factor with those blue cunts winning the title and saying there isn’t much in it.

I’d say there is, the Godfather of Football watched his team do a Devon Loch. This team we have has too many cocky fucks in it who are complacent as hell. They need to cut it out but its not their fault its just their generation being a bunch of bell ends. If you’re born from 1989 onwards you’re born with it.

We have owners who are playing a dangerous game and it winds me up when people say

“Well look at least the glazers have increased commercial revenue”

If you take out a mortgage and your job doesn’t pay you enough to pay the mortgage it’s sensible practice to either find another job or to supplement your current income by finding external revenue streams. So please people increasing commercial revenue is the least our parasite owners can do.

Where am I going with this? In 2005 Vodafone (cunts in themselves) released a statement on the lines of United needed to do. Said Chelski won the league, l’arse the cup and vermin the Cl so by their views we’re the 4th team in England.

Thats was the first time in 7 years we hadn’t won anything and thats what we got. Now if the same thing was to happen after 2-3 years without winning the PL or CL (lets face it cup competitions mean jack shit otherwise Dogleash would still have a job) can anyone imagine the potential backlash from our 1000 commercial partners. All of a sudden the lucrative deals will stop coming through.

Wakey probably say otherwise but lets look at what the plc did not what they could have done but what they actually DID.

Spent money on players when we needed it. 2002 let in a lot of goals that summer. BANG £30 million on Rio. Ticket prices didn’t go up and if they did certainly not to the extent of our current owners.

How can anyone tell me to be happy or satisfied with things at the club. The plc format benefited me. Sure didn’t go to as many games but atmosphere was 100 times better than it is now and affordable too.

Under glazers more likely to sign shite like Owen and Bebe and £40 to sit somewhere where the view is shit (for £40 the view is shit) and atmosphere only slightly better.

How dare I moan because I actually want to watch United play but cannot afford to do so.
What a self centered human being I must be. I should think of the corporate cunts and those who want watch opera at the Theatre of Dreams in silence of course. I should think of them.

As if those cunts will do anything if the club does start to slump financially which I believe isn’t far away from happening especially with Fergies age and our continual reliance on Paul Scholes.
May 31, 2012 at 15:42
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Wakey – Hello mate. You’re right about season tickets being kept the same. I could never have a season ticket as would miss too many games. I have to just go as a member and next season those prices are going up. The benefits season ticket holders have now such as spreading the cost over the course of the season were not available to me when I had mine. If they did both my mate and I would have renewed.

High prices I can accept if there’s an atmosphere inside the ground. High prices and having evil eyes staring at you like you have leprosy because you’re getting behind the team and actually singing, I can;t stomach.

Add to that its easier to get inside OT (except for the big games) than it has ever been shows me that the glazers are slowly pricing people out. Especially as currently the cost of living in general especially the different taxes we pay as well is high and the wages don’t mirror that.
May 31, 2012 at 15:47
wayne says:
Notorious yes mate but all the London clubs are a lot higher Arse cheapest season ticket is Utds high end,Chelsea matchday goes up to 87 quid compared to Utds 52,the cheapest ticket at Liverpool is 39 compared to Utds 30 all I’m saying mate is Utd are not out of line with other clubs
Getting back to transfer take Hazard if 3 clubs have the bids accepted all Utd can do is offer what they think is a fair deal.If Chelsea come in and offer 200k a week for a 21 year old who is still relatively unproven can’t see how you can say that’s Utd teasing the fans,can’t compete with crazy mate
May 31, 2012 at 15:53
King Eric says:
NRD – Alright pal. You well? You make some good points but how do the club lead us on with targets? Its the media that just make the stories up.

I hate this time of year hence my abscence of late. If we don’t get the latest rentboy people piss and whinge. Not you Notorious by the way. 2 years ago it was Gourcoff. Hasn’t made Frances squad. Last year it was Sneijder. Look how he turned out. Admittedly I DID want him but thank fuck Fergie knows more than me. That cunt Pastore? Havn’t even heard of him for 12 months. Flavour of the fucking month rentboys.
May 31, 2012 at 15:55
King Eric says:
God why does Bebe get brought up EVERYTIME we discuss transfers? It was an odd deal granted but it happened and he was shite.
May 31, 2012 at 15:56
King Eric says:
Fred – Who on earth is John Burgess?
May 31, 2012 at 16:00
wayne says:
Costas hi mate know what you want yet
Re Berba that’s my point mate if Utd don’t get a decent deal for him may as well just keep him another year.Hell of a player to have in the squad just don’t see Utd been that desperate to unload
May 31, 2012 at 16:01
Sparkz says:
Agree with Costas….its all rumours, but if we got anything above £60m for Rooney….I’d take it without a moments hesitation. Add that to our normal transfer budget and you could buy a good few players. Although obviously it could mean we have to pay inflated prices.

And a final request….can we please stop this “Berba was treated like shit” stuff? Its just not true, and its a case of people letting their loyalty blind them.
May 31, 2012 at 16:01
King Eric says:
NRD – I don’t just think its OT though pal. Its Football today. Its sanitised. Anfield is like a morgue now.
May 31, 2012 at 16:04
King Eric says:
Fergie said a few weeks back he wouldn’t sell Berbatov for peanuts. As if PSG are gonna pay 120 million for Rooney. Utter bullshit.
May 31, 2012 at 16:07
King Eric says:
Off topic but just seen pictures of Ingerlund training. Why the FUCK does that cunt Terry wear his socks like a pair of fucking stockings the bandit?
May 31, 2012 at 16:07
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ King Eric – Hello mate, I’m alright. Choice of words is poor regarding United leading us on. It certainly feels that way. Wasn’t Fergie at the last Lille game or something thats what I read on here (could have been a wind up). Fergie has made comments perhaps not in the build up to transfers but certainly after they’ve happened.

e.g Villa – We didn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of signing him. He wanted to stay in Spain because he’s Spanish. Nothing wrong with that. Fergie comes out and says a few months later we tried to sign him. Thats what I call mentally masturbating.

Classic being in late 2008. Fergie said

“We won’t be signing anyone in Jan”

New Years Day 10 am – United sign Tosic and Lljac. What happend to them? Why didn’t they get a chance and whats the reason for it.

We’ve heard nothing about that. I’d much rather instead of taking gambles on all our signings on players who unknown we need to save that cash and buy someone who isn’t. Its time to bring someone big in to shake the footballing world up again. We need it too. Kagawa may be that. It will be huge over in Asia where all the money apparently is at the moment.

We need a Fletcher replacement because as sad as it is I don’t think he’ll make it back. That replacement should be the finished article and not a youngster. Last season was proof that the club only has faith in the youngsters in cup competitions.

We’ve all said it and I’ll say it again. Rafael and Park as centre mids vs Blackburn.
May 31, 2012 at 16:10
Fred says:
King Eric – I thought the same when I saw Terry in his thigh-high socks the other day. I think I have the answer though: http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/transvestite_lucy_mbd210109display.jpg Say no more.
May 31, 2012 at 16:11
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Sparkz – I’ll make you a deal. I’ll stop saying Berba was treated like shit or poorly if you agree to say United don’t sign mercenaries because we most certainly do.

@wayne – Totally agree if we don’t get at least £8 million for him may as well keep him.
May 31, 2012 at 16:13
Fred says:
King Eric – John Burgess is an English commentator who works for Asian TV. He commentated on our last Asian tour and was bloody hilarious.
May 31, 2012 at 16:16
edcunited1878 says:
Hate to say it, but if you’re struggling to watching United live at OT, then what better alternative than the tele. All large sporting clubs understand the huge money grab of television. Look at Sky, look at other leagues across the world and see how lucrative TV money is.

If clubs can bankroll their wages through matchday income (concessions, paid tickets, suites, etc.) then that is sustainable. But what brings in a more consistent cash flow for the club…TV revenue. Not including MUTV, but just the global rights to show the matches (all 38), in addition to FA Cup and whatever Europe competition they may be in.

You continue to believe the doom and gloom that will come. It may well, but that shows you don’t have true belief in the club and that they don’t have a fucking plan for the future. FFS Manchester United have a plan for the future with regards to players, manager, backroom staff and the business side. The club is never and will never be subjected by just one person; player, manager, supporter or board director.
May 31, 2012 at 16:22
Costas says:
@Sparkz

Regarding Berbatov, as far as I am concerned it’s not a pity party at all. I really believe that a) He wasn’t used as much as he should have for the benefit of this team and b) If Fergie doesn’t want to sell him for anything less than what he’s worth like he said, then he should have used him more often. With the season he had and with 12 months left on his current deal, Berbatov just isn’t worth much.

@wayne

Hi mate. I am embarassed to admit that I haven’t thought of anything. Lets forget about it for the time being. I appreciate that you wanted to honour the bet. If I come up with anything I’ll let you know. Unless we have another bet down the road and you tie the score.

Keeping Berbatov around wouldn’t bother me a lot, but it’s not like things will get any better for him. With Kagawa’s arrival, it could signal a switch to 4-5-1, which will mean even less chances for him. He might play as much as Dwight Yorke did in Ruud’s first season (which wasn’t a lot!). Plus, at 31, I think he won’t want to waste another season on the bench.
May 31, 2012 at 16:22
Sparkz says:
@NRI – I’ve never once said we don’t sign mercanaries! As far as I’m concerned, a large percentage of footballers are exactly that, anybody who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves. I came to that conclusion some time ago. That’s the way football is, simple.
May 31, 2012 at 16:24
King Eric says:
Fred – Ha. That fucking story from a year or two ago was comedy gold.

NRD – Oh I agree pal, I think we do need a big signing to freshen things up. Doesn’t have to be 30 odd million, like you say Kagawa will be just that player. Tosic seemed to have mental problems. Let me phrase that better. He seemed out his depth almost at United. He looked a decent enough player at times when I saw him. Even Paddy Crerand said the other night United need to make a statement this summer. Interesting couple of months ahead.
May 31, 2012 at 16:26
WillieRedNut says:
Sparkz – We thought the same, when Ronaldo was sold? A few top signings will come in……..I don’t trust the Glazers on this. Trust the boss. He ideally would’ve wanted to strengthen the squad after losing a player of Ronnie’s ability. Add to that, we lost in Rome too. Double blow like that was tough to sustain. 80 million we recouped, but it was barely touched. Heard all the counter arguments over the years about that money, but never convinced by any of them. Without the debt strangling the club, Fergie would’ve went to town with 80mill to spend. I understand why we didn’t go on a splurge. The situation of the finances dictated our plans. I wouldn’t blame the boss of course. Some probably would, though. Valencia was a cracking signing of course. The one good thing we did do that summer…..
May 31, 2012 at 16:32
Sparkz says:
@Costas – In my opinion (and its just my opinion)….I think Fergie wanted Berba around almost as an insurance policy. There was no guarantee that Welbeck would blow up like he did. And Rooney almost always misses chunks of the season through injury….on this occasion it wasn’t the case as much as previous years (although now its come out that he was carrying an injury during the run in!)

Maybe for Berba as an individual, he didn’t get the amount of games he should have. But there’s always a few players each season who don’t get as much game time, because of the players who are ahead of them (Wes last season for example).

In terms of “the benefit of the team”….I’d disagree. Up front wasn’t an area we really struggled much, in fact, with all due respect to Berba, I think we were a better team with the other 3 strikers in the side. Particularly Rooney and Welbeck – their partnership was excellent, why would you wanna break that up? There’s no point in making changes just to keep people happy IMO. If it aint broke, don’t fix it!
May 31, 2012 at 16:34
Wakey says:
@NotoriousRedDevil

It’s hard to compare Europe because while the Media across Europe likes pointing out how poor English clubs are run they seem to ignore Europe clubs.

We get reports on Revenue that show the following united making €367m in revenue

Real 479 (+119)
Barca 450 (+83)
Bayern 321 (-46)
AC 235 (-132)
Inter 211 (-156)

And I found a report on average wages in sport but in $ which shows united on $5.1m

Barca 7.9m (35 % higher)
Real 7.3m (30%)
Inter 5.9m ( 13.5%)
Bayern 5.7m (10.5%)
AC 5.6m (9%)

We know United spend 46% so that’s €169m so based on this and the average per player we can estimate the wage bills being

Barca 229m
Real 220m
Inter 192m
Bayern 187m
AC 184m

So that gives us the following figures for wages vs revenue
Barca 51%
Real 48%
Inter 91%
Bayern 58%
AC 78%

Actually found an article while putting these figures together which seems to suggest Italy is the league with the biggest issue with FFP. Apparently none of their top clubs have much chance of achieving it
May 31, 2012 at 16:35
NotoriousRedDevil says:
edcunited1878 – Believe you me I have more faith in this club then you can imagine. That faith stops with management and players. The coroprate side of things I haven’t had faith in since glazers took over. Its not that I had faith in the plc or anything I didn’t care then. Was focused on getting to uni when we were a plc.

If I had been 5 years older I would have had shares at United and never have sold them.

I hope I’m seriously wrong but I think most United fans will only look at the reality when Fergie steps down. One thing is certain our club at grassroots level and training facilities is top of the range. Thats all down to the gaffer that.

@ Sparkz – Fair enough. I get annoyed when I read they only want players who want to play for the shirt. That just isn’t going to happen anymore.
May 31, 2012 at 16:37
WillieRedNut says:
http://www.sport360.com/article/manchester-united-favourites-sign-udinese-star-asamoah?

Not seen much of this lad. A DM by all accounts. That will keep Costas happy.
May 31, 2012 at 16:40
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Wakey – Thank you very much for those stats. No wonder Inter need to sell and no CL next season. 91% is ridiculous!

Sneijder anyone? LOL

Thats also why I think we shouldn’t put too much faith in the FPP. If there’s a CL one season with no Milan clubs, Bayern, and Real for example I cann easily see UEFA changing their rules so that the FPP only effects English clubs.

I have zero faith in the FPP.
May 31, 2012 at 16:46
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ WRN 16.26 – I think thats how we all feel. Summer of 2009 players signed

Diof – Now at Hannover-

Owen – Hopefully in Hell.

Obertan – Now at Newcastle.

Tony V – Thank Fuck he turned out to be a gem.

This after we get £80 million for Ronaldo.

For those who said we spent £50 million last summer so shouldn’t complain. I’d argue and say most of that WAS the Ronaldo money. Not directly of course but last summer was first transfer window where we spent a hell of a lot more than we sold.
May 31, 2012 at 16:48
Sparkz says:
@Willie – I’ve seen a fair bit of him, and I spoke about him on here the other day. He’s not a DM, more of a box to box. EXACTLY what we need. If we were to only sign him this summer, I’d be over the moon. Coz for me, our biggest problem was not a lack of creativity….but a lack of energy and power in the middle of the park.

Kagawa is a very good player, and I’d welcome him. But for me, a box to box midfielder is the main thing we need to add. Would be chuffed if we got Asamoah – best thing is, he’s cheap!. Most of the good box to box players cost a fortune….but we could get him for less than £20m.

If we can potentially get a powerful midfielder + a creative player (Kagawa) for less than £40m combined….that’s what I call value in the market!
May 31, 2012 at 16:51
NotoriousRedDevil says:
I think thats what we all want. Kagawa and a defensive mid mould. Unless Fergie decided to use Tunnicliffe a hell of a lot more than Pogba. If he does that I will be satisfied.
May 31, 2012 at 16:55
Cyril Sneer says:
A bit off topic but…

Luka Modric
36 Games
83 Shots
4 Goals
4 Assists

Can someone please explain what the big deal is? Even I can score more than 4 out of 83 shots and I’m shite. So bored of hearing about our prospective 30 million pound ‘swoop’.
May 31, 2012 at 17:10
suhayl says:
Yep as Willie has said…anybody shed some light on this udinese fella….

PS. Willie….Cedars….Costas…KE……u guys man. Just quickly scrolling through some old threads…you guys crack me up…succint one liners, humour, wit, intelligence and more to the point, fuckin spot on with all you say

Summers would be drab without these great lads……
May 31, 2012 at 17:11
suhayl says:
ps. modric is a bag of wank in my humble opinion
May 31, 2012 at 17:15
Costas says:
@Sparkz

Looking back, I don’t know how much of your comment about Berbatov being treated like shit was directed at my comments from earlier today, so maybe I jumped the gun with my response! Nonetheless, of course it goes without saying that our problems had little to do with our attack. It was an impressive amount of goals we scored both in the league and the season in general. Heck, I don’t even subscribe to the theory that with Berba scoring well against the smaller teams, we should have used him in those to help boost our GD, lol. I just feel that he could have provided cover more often. For Danny (when he went through a sticky patch for a couple of months) but more importantly, for Rooney. One good example was the Bilbao games. Maybe it’s just me, but I still can’t figure out what our team selection in both games was supposed to accomplish. Rooney could have used a rest there. I know it’s all in hindsight, but at the time I started getting worried about his fitness. We’ve seen Rooney long enough to know that playing a lot of football can take a toll on him.

I definitely wouldn’t have broken up the Rooney-Welbeck partnership. I was a fan of how they started to gel. I just would have rotated the 4 strikers a bit more often.
May 31, 2012 at 17:17
Costas says:
@Suhayl

It’s not the same without you and your rants pal!

I agree on Modric by the way. Good player, but not what we need in midfield (someone with Fletcher’s engine).
May 31, 2012 at 17:18
CedarsDevil says:
suhayl

Fucking enormous seeing you here again posting……..Pity no scousers around though
May 31, 2012 at 17:21
Costas says:
“Owen – Hopefully in Hell”

Nice one Notorious. You may be right you know. I hear Stoke are interested.
May 31, 2012 at 17:22
CedarsDevil says:
By the way and this is a serious question, does anyone else hate leeds as much as me or am I obsessed? Thanks

Fucking sheep shagging cunting ugly hateful cunts
May 31, 2012 at 17:24
CedarsDevil says:
Costas

Nasty tactics mate, yet I like your style….Mentioning Stoke to NRD
May 31, 2012 at 17:29
Sparkz says:
@Costas – Na mate, I didn’t actually see your comments lol. It was in response to NRI’s comments, but it was also a general point because I do see that point raised a lot on ROM.

You do have a point with regards to the Bilbao game. It was quite odd that Rooney played the full 90 in both legs.

With regards to rotation….if we’d still been in the Cups, we would have seen that a fair bit IMO. But we were knocked out early on, and pretty much concentrated on the League. That meant Fergie would look to play his strongest side week in week out – and that includes Rooney and Welbeck up top. Heck, you only have to look at the fact that Cleverley didn’t start a single game even after he returned from injury…..Fergie wanted his strongest midfield combo every week, which was Carrick & Scholes (apart from that infamous Wigan game…).

Danny never went through a really bad spell IMO. Goals wise, yes, he was very barren (I think he went 11 games without scoring from January-March?). But overall, in terms of performance level, he was our most consistent forward – even more than Rooney. Had the occasional 2-3 game sticky spell every now and then, but not enough to warrant losing his place in the side for me, because he generally brings a lot to the table.
May 31, 2012 at 17:30
samuel - united WE stand says:
Asamoah is another useless rumour but he’s quality without doubt. powerful, left footed, good passer, all round technical box to box midfielder. One of the main stars of udinese and ghana for a while now. If it was to happen, he’d be a good signing. He’s not well known but he’ll improve massively here but i can bet he’ll end up at juventus. Asamoah, kagawa, powell. All potential capable of elevating beyond that status, they seem more likely signings FERGIE would sanction compared to hazard and they would strengthen the engine room for sure.
May 31, 2012 at 17:31
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
“Some” Leeds supporting WUM’s are spoiling this blog! Where are the regulars Moses and LUFCWhite? And, whatever happened to Sachu Sanchez and The Fly-ing tweetbag!

Moses would surely have a better answer to “these” Leeds loving jerks!
May 31, 2012 at 17:32
CedarsDevil says:
Elland Rd should be fucking nuked, the dead sheep can be given to charity
May 31, 2012 at 17:32
samuel - united WE stand says:
I’m still waiting for us to unveil new players rather than succumb to mere rumours. Agony!
May 31, 2012 at 17:36
MG says:
Manchester United are proud to announce the signing of Rickshaw enabling them to get a foothold In the Sub continent.

SAF: Rickshaw will give us a much needed boost at the back where we consider his vocal abilities to be second to none, no doubt about that.

Rickshaw: oh my dearie me me so happy to be in Manchester. I will do good football

David Gill: with my Sony digital camera I can shoot Bollywood dancing with clear clarity
May 31, 2012 at 17:38
NotoriousRedDevil says:
@ Costas Don’t get me fucking started on those candy striped ignorant oatcake munching belligerent racist bunch of cunts who are also members of chelski northern rent boys club and deserve to rot in hell for chanting Munich.

They hate us for no reason and took the fucking piss when we got Owen saying he’s a has been, Now they’re creaming their pants for him. They can have him both deserve each other, hopefully instead of wage he can open up a free account at bet365 under the coates name and bankrupt the club.
May 31, 2012 at 17:39
MG says:
I think what Cedars is trying to say is that he hates Leeds

So do I.
May 31, 2012 at 17:40
NotoriousRedDevil says:
Who doesn’t hate leads united a.f.c? The a stands for arsefuckers.
May 31, 2012 at 17:43
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ MG

Hahahaha…that’s a cracking signing! Rickshaw would put the players right in their place if anybody fools around on the pitch! After all, it would be the second coming of the Hairdryer treatment!
May 31, 2012 at 17:45
CedarsDevil says:
NRD

Cheers for clearing that out mate, thought I was alone here
May 31, 2012 at 17:45
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ Cedars

Ohh I know for a fact you are one of Moses and LUFCWhite. I saw you explaining RVP’s celebration at the bridge outside Nigella’s mansion! Bore off!
May 31, 2012 at 17:47
MG says:
Prasan

Well done mate for getting it!
May 31, 2012 at 17:47
CedarsDevil says:
MG

I beg you never to spell their name with a capital L…….. Please as a favor
May 31, 2012 at 17:49
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
Whoever thinks that a shaved pussy is not a great turn-on needs to get their head tested!

- By CedarsSheeplostAtEllandRd
May 31, 2012 at 17:51
FletchTHEMAN says:
Whoever is suggesting we are in for modric is smoking crack.

Bracing myself for another summer of crap rummors. Whatever happened to The Fly?
Not one post worth reading if recall correctly. Come on then, let’s get this deal with Kagawa done so we can get a bit of peace.

Way off topic: I recall that deGea was supposed to have an eye operation this summer. Anyone paying attention?
May 31, 2012 at 17:52
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ MG

Haha..That was one signing which I would’ve guessed even in my dream mate! I am a scout of sorts with those bloddy Rickshaw’s and Rickshaw wallahs if you get my point!
May 31, 2012 at 17:53
WillieRedNut says:
suhayl – Cheers mate. It’s a crazy house on here at times, but what a laugh! Lol.

Lampard out of the Euros? Just as well they brought Carrick…….
May 31, 2012 at 17:55
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ Willie

Be very scared if you are not an England supporter mate because last I heard, Fat frank was going to be replaced by Jordan the shit Henderson!
May 31, 2012 at 17:56
CedarsDevil says:
Prasan

You are officially and absolutely fucking mental, i.e. totally bonkers….

Welcome to the club mate
May 31, 2012 at 17:57
FletchTHEMAN says:
Euro2012: Frank Lampard OUT, Jordan Henderson IN ???

WaaaaaaaaHAha hahahahahahaha!

Can one of you lads tell me what did Carrick ever do get the treatment he has from Hingurlund?

I just can’t watch this mess. Simps…… I’ll be on holiday till Aug 15
May 31, 2012 at 17:58
WillieRedNut says:
Sparkz – Thanks for the feedback on Asamoah. Sounds like value to me. At the right age too. You never know if these rumours are true, or just baseless. I’m sure we’ll find out over the next few months!
May 31, 2012 at 18:02
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ Cedars

Hahaha..thanks mate..as MG puts it ..you are only that fucking good as much as the level of fuckers around you!

No wait…he never put it did he?

Although, on a serious note, I just hope that no one gets offended or irritated by my posts. If thats the case, then they can seriously join Moses and company!
May 31, 2012 at 18:03
CedarsDevil says:
Confirmed reports coming through to me just now from OT by respectable sources that our new shirt looks good!!!
May 31, 2012 at 18:07
WillieRedNut says:
prasan – Jordon Henderson is clearly better than Carrick! According to woy, anyway.
May 31, 2012 at 18:08
CedarsDevil says:
Prasan

Not my call, only Willie can give you the final word of acceptance…..Savvy ??
May 31, 2012 at 18:10
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ Willie

That’s one player for whom I would put Rooney, Wellbeck and even Sir Alex on the line! He’s that fucking good in fucking around and doing nothing!
May 31, 2012 at 18:14
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ Cedars

Is Willie the new stalker then? That’s one helluva passage to get an acceptance from. Let me try to woo him through an android mobile app, it’s called “Sheepshagging for Will-on-IE”!
May 31, 2012 at 18:17
CedarsDevil says:
Prasan

Willie is our leader, we go by his word
May 31, 2012 at 18:20
MG says:
Cedars no need to beg me mate I apologise for overseeing it on my part!

Prasan

Excellent scouting system mate
May 31, 2012 at 18:25
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
O Dear Willie O Dear Willie
Please will you accept my little plea
You are a winner and our leader
Not a stalker nor the club gatekeeper
Please will you accept my plea son
I promise I won’t rave about Jordan the shit Henderson!
May 31, 2012 at 18:27
Busby babes says:
berbatovs attributes could definately had been used more when under the cush he would have been ideal to keep the ball up top.
May 31, 2012 at 18:36
MG says:
England will def win the Euros now

Henderson is in Defcon 1 averted
May 31, 2012 at 18:38
WillieRedNut says:
prasan – MG is our leader, we go by his word!
May 31, 2012 at 18:42
CedarsDevil says:
Actually Jimmy James and King Eric are our leaders………Using Willie was just a decoy
May 31, 2012 at 18:43
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
O Dear MG O Dear MG
Please will you accept my little plea
You are a winner and a photographer
Gill Cameras is your inimitable forte
And you make them say cheese while you capture
Ohh please don’t send this plea any further up
I just plead Sign me up! Sign me up! Sign me up!
May 31, 2012 at 18:45
james21 says:
I see the usual circus is going on instead of staying on topic.

I can’t see any signings coming to Utd because we must sell Wayne Rooney first. I mean yeh lets sell Rooney, our best player and buy some gimp from Bilbao, who most have only seen play twice on TV. Have we signed Sniejder yet because I read it in the paper, think it was The Sport that Utd would be buying him.
Damn, wish I could find a link.
May 31, 2012 at 18:48
mancdub says:
Cedars
About 89 or 90 we played Leeds in both cups in the space of a week. It was definitely January because one the games was on my birthday.
Me and a mate got the the fucking shit kick out of us at Elland rd. It was a lovely birthday present.
Teams come along and I’ll hate them for a while but that’s mainly because of who they have playing for them (Chelsea, Arsenel). City, Liverpool and Leeds have my genuine hatred though. Always have always will.
To this day whenever I drive through Leeds I always make a stop to piss on Elland rd.
May 31, 2012 at 18:49
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ James21

We must sell Rooney and buy Henderson…he’s the little magician we’ve been craving for. Add Titus Bramble to the defence and we are sorted!
May 31, 2012 at 18:53
CedarsDevil says:
mancdub

Good man, some one who shares my hate and rightly so…..Fucking scum, Munich chanting hateful bastards

Jimmy James

United will be signing Ajax FC so stop worrying will ya
May 31, 2012 at 18:54
Costas says:
@Notorious

Like Cedars said, looks like I hit a raw nerve. I know you hate them mate. If Owen goes there, I bet you’ll feel how I feel about the Warnock/Leeds connection. A cunt finally finds his calling. Hope Owen takes your advice about the account seriously!

@Sparkz

Yep, it was something like 11 games during that period. Then he scored against Wolves, but it took him a few more games to reach the heights he did earlier in the season. And then he really came to life against Everton. His best performance for us in my opinion. I am a fan of Danny personally. The work he does around the box (it would be easier to praise any striker for their scoring record) is second to none at the club.
May 31, 2012 at 18:54
james21 says:
prasan
Now you’re talking. We might as well bid for Heskey as well. Now we’re on a roll.
May 31, 2012 at 18:56
james21 says:
Cedars
Go shag RVP.
May 31, 2012 at 18:57
james21 says:
Keep seeing links put up about Utd being interested in a certain player, Daily Mail, The mirror, The star, The Sun etc. Do none of you actually read these papers???? they’re fucking shite, might as well read a Beano or Dandy comic.

I NEED A LINK. NOW!
May 31, 2012 at 19:00
CedarsDevil says:
James

Use the beebs mate, oh and shag wazza while you’re at it!!
May 31, 2012 at 19:01
james21 says:
and where the fuck is Jason Lee when your team is desperate for a world class player. GRRRR
May 31, 2012 at 19:02
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ James

Heskeyyyyyy………..wowwwwwwww…thats my dream signing…the man who makes Lionel Messi look like he’s strolling in Nou Camp!

As for the link, here it is:

http://www.cedarsshagsRVP.com/@Nigellamansion.fuckpx
May 31, 2012 at 19:03
james21 says:
Cedars
He wouldn’t have me I’m not a granny.
May 31, 2012 at 19:04
WillieRedNut says:
Rooney’s shite James, you’re just going have to face it mate.
May 31, 2012 at 19:05
MG says:
Excellent

I am Optimus MG and we are here to keep Manchester United safe from the ABU-cepticons

ROM-bots transform!
May 31, 2012 at 19:07
CedarsDevil says:
Willie

Jimmy James is just blinded by Rooney’s hair transplant mate
May 31, 2012 at 19:10
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ MG

Did you get my plea?

Let’s sell off Paul Scholes and buy Andy Gray

And, retire De Gea to bring Dareen Gough from Talkshit…heard he’s big and he can give some serious shit to his defense cover!
May 31, 2012 at 19:10
Sandeep1878 says:
Evening reds around the world,

every one of you a fucking beauty..

Cedars shagged RVP?
May 31, 2012 at 19:11
FletchTHEMAN says:
Have no fear lads, the anticipated melt down of Serie A could solve all our transfer woahs!

Ronaldinho and Wes on a free?! Pogba back in the stables?! Sorted
May 31, 2012 at 19:11
james21 says:
Willie
You forgot to add DDG, Evans, Carrick and Old man Giggs to that. Oh and have you seen SAF marbles because he’s certainly lost them. We need a new manager, was thinking Steve Kean would fit the bill.
May 31, 2012 at 19:14
MG says:
James

Beano and Dandy links
May 31, 2012 at 19:14
james21 says:
Fletch
No use when the horse has bolted. We needed this to happen two years ago then Window Licking belotelli would have been ours.
May 31, 2012 at 19:15
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
New manager? It’s easy..sign David Bernstein and have Mike Summerbee as his assistant. Two men with utmost humility and both command great respect especially from the United fans!
May 31, 2012 at 19:17
james21 says:
MG
There’s more truth written in those two comics.

At last I have spell check. Now I’ll never be pulled for my poor spellig.
May 31, 2012 at 19:17
MG says:
Prasan

You’re hired mate!
May 31, 2012 at 19:19
james21 says:
prasen
Hmmm. There’s alot of sense in that but Summerbee just wins it by a nose for me.
May 31, 2012 at 19:19
MG says:
Here here James!

As a writer I can assure you James I detest spelling checker… No wonder the spelling in schools is going downhill – I bet Mike would agree…
May 31, 2012 at 19:21
WillieRedNut says:
Cedars – Haha.
May 31, 2012 at 19:22
MG says:
I agree with Fletch

Serie A going tits up could be good for United
May 31, 2012 at 19:23
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
O my dear Jimmy O my dear Jimmy,
Will you accept my little plea,
You are a chest thumper, who never hits a bumper
Can keep shagging Rooney, and are never devoid of hunger
You can woo even Willie, with your crazy sense of humour
O please accept my plea and get me in the club
I’d keep a blind eye when Cedars shags RVP in the bath tub!
May 31, 2012 at 19:23
Sandeep1878 says:
Good night red dick heads

Catch u all tomorrow..

James matey, stay calm, the season is 2 months away and we would love to see few more chest thumps

Good night reds..

Keep it RED and UNITED
May 31, 2012 at 19:24
Ash says:
Henderson in england squad is a joke. He has done fuck all whole season. Roy Hodgson has gone mental. I think he only watches Liverfool’s matches. Pathetic, Absolutely PAthetic.
May 31, 2012 at 19:27
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ Sandeep

Good night buddy!
May 31, 2012 at 19:28
MG says:
Night Sandeep!

Now listen Prasan be nice to Robin Van Cedars and his dad
May 31, 2012 at 19:28
james21 says:
MG
All these years on the internet and I’ve never had it then all of a sudden it appears from nowhere. Little squiggly red lines under every word I right. Ha Spell check you missed that one Write not right you little know it all.

Prasen
I wasn’t thumping my chest, I was getting stung by a Wasp. : Nice one.
So you want to join the clique club? So do I but Cedars won’t let me.
May 31, 2012 at 19:31
Ash says:
http://www.footballfancast.com/2012/05/football-blogs/the-michael-carrick-mystery?

Just the kind of article I was looking for. Excellent
May 31, 2012 at 19:32
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ MG

Yeahhh…thanks for inducting me my friend. So now that I am signed up, I propose that we make Charlie Adam as the corner ball boy and keeping the commercial aspect in mind how about having him lead the Telly tubby rat baby ships during half time!
May 31, 2012 at 19:34
WillieRedNut says:
Sam Wallace you plum! Carrick didn’t give up playing for his country! He was continually overlooked by England managers. Gerrard and Lampard apart, who’s better, or equal than Carrick, Barry? Parker? Then Henderson gets put on standby, before Carrick for the Euros. No wonder he was pissed off. These jurnos talk some shite!
May 31, 2012 at 19:45
captaink9 says:
Cavani,Kagawa and Fellaini are the boys for us.
May 31, 2012 at 19:46
MG says:
James

me a little know it all?
May 31, 2012 at 19:48
MG says:
Prasan

Charlie Adam Henderson and Downing and I reckon we are on next year
May 31, 2012 at 19:48
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
O dear Roy you didn’t get the fucking ploy
Needed the Rolls Royce, instead got a no-mark boy
You seemed sensible but you chose to be an idiot
Why on earth did you become the captain on the chariot
With heroes like Terry and Kings like Gerrard
England will go places and will spark the Euros
What this fucking world has turned into
Seeing trophies being lifted by A grade zeroes!
May 31, 2012 at 19:51
Wakey says:
@NotoriousRedDevil

With Berba I just think he has got unlucky, football shouldn’t be about sentiment and it was just the case that Rooney with a Fast Striker creates a more dynamic team. And Berbas never been the most effective off the bench, infact as I keep saying I believe he isn’t even that effective when he is in and out of the side. He plays his best and scores the most when he has a run of games and has built up confidence. We saw in the City FA Cup semi how he struggled with chances that earlier in the season when he was playing every game he would have scored.

On Brown and Welbeck contracts we don’t know exactly the situation. It could be paper talk or perhaps Welbecks agent is just being overly aggressive to try and push it but the club has always seemed to employ a policy like we see in the Public sector where there are bands and that dictates what you get. if you want to move outside your band you have to raise your squad status. And the club has to consider further impact outside that player when offering contracts so ofc it’s going to negotiate if it feels the demands are above what they are initially offering.

As for clubs going for players that you feel they know they can’t offer the wages for. Wages aren’t as simple as the base wage so united may not be able to offer the most wages but they know that additional revenue streams are opened up for the player which will be why it’s seemed that Hazard favoured us over City. The extra wage and the status of CL winners will however have undone the extra revenue that United could offer.

Not sure Owen cost us. Sure his injuries were annoying but he was said to be good around the club and I’m sure that all the Strikers benefited from him being at his club as its his movement that was always key which we saw even at United. It also allowed us to loan Welbeck out which was certainly good for him.
I do think Owen was only intended as a season stop gap due to missing out on Benzema as we went for Villa the year after but by the point of Villa choosing Barca

As for your comment ‘everything’s cheaper up north except united’ that’s a bit simplistic. Liverpools average ticket price is higher than ours, cities is closing and Newcastles isn’t far behind. Also I’m not sure the North/South divide is really at the level to justify the costs of Arsenel, Chelsea, Spurs and QPR

“Wakey probably say otherwise but lets look at what the plc did not what they could have done but what they actually DID.”

But the Glazers have given the go aheads for bids over £30mill on Sneidjer, Benzema, Villa as well as £30mill for Berbatov. Not to mention £10mill in loan fees for Tevez. And our transfer spend has only been beaten by City and Chelsea so they are hardly skimping

Without the Glazers we would be worse off IMHO. Would have required a major change in attitude of board especially if they were also going to keep tickets artificially low as its the revenue figure that is most important for wages. Just not sure how the PLC could have made it up with the limits the PLC structure imposes.

“Hello mate. You’re right about season tickets being kept the same. I could never have a season ticket as would miss too many games.”

Personally I always find it strange that in football the difference between 1 off tickets and season tickets isn’t greater myself. In most business’s if you ‘pay up front’ like you do with season tickets you expect a decent discount over the face value.

I do think the atmosphere isn’t necessarily down to prices. I sometimes think perhaps not enough is done to integrate people. For those who aren’t there every week it feels to me that perhaps some just don’t aren’t familiar with the chants or feel comfortable to get involved. And perhaps at times even the more regular fans can perhaps even without meaning to be a bit snobby. Certainly though I think anyone attending a match does want to get involved as that the natural thing to do at a sporting event just need a way to make them feel they can. Not sure how to achieve that though.

“Tosic and Lljac”
Being able to say ‘we won’t sign anyone’ is the major advantage of not being the PLC as we can operate under the radar without fear of being accused of misleading shareholders.

With those two I think Tosic was a punt to sweeten the deal for Ljajic. And I think Tosic was just too small and didn’t bulk up enough to be given a chance in England. With Ljajic It was he work permit issue, he seemed to stagnate a bit at Partizan which stalled his international development so didn’t qualify for one and who knows when he would have. We may have got lucky, hasn’t set Italy alight and only seems to be in the headlines for being attacked by his manager on the touchline or being suspended from the national team.
May 31, 2012 at 20:00
prasan_UTDfan4life says:
@ MG

With those names, I am already shivering let alone the opposition fans! Bring it on…but before that we need to sell off some dead wood in the form of Vidic, Evra, Evans and Chicharito!

On that note, would go off to bed folks! By the time I sleep, hope Cedars would be back after shagging RVP!

Stay happy, stay healthy and stay UNITED!

B.E.L.I.E.V.E
May 31, 2012 at 20:15
FletchTHEMAN says:
Just as well that Carrick is out of favor with England. He has been nursing a hamstring injury and likely could use some R&R.

Hearing only good things about Kagawa deal. Complicated due to number of add ons he has on his Dortmund contract. Anyone hearing any different?
May 31, 2012 at 20:36
Mikekelly12 says:
Evening joggers nipples…
Fletch…. Not heard anything on the Kagawa deal for a few days. Just hope we get it done sooner rather than later!
Cedars – it actually does look good!!
May 31, 2012 at 20:52
FletchTHEMAN says:
United future left back:
United fan Usain Bolt wins Rome 100m in 9.76sec.

Put him anywhere else and he lands in row zed
The Future is bright

MikeKelly, Cheers mate. heard that it was delayed because of add ons from imaging that Dortmund want covered. Agree, we need this sorted early. Lad just won Budusliga POTY. That’s impressive.
May 31, 2012 at 20:55
FletchTHEMAN says:
**Bundesliga**
May 31, 2012 at 21:44
Clint-Iamyourpapii says:
Why does my heart still feel broken…its been a week?

I need football, the Euro’s are 8 days away FUCK…apart from Kagawa and super star signing, I can’t see myself being distracted till the 1st pre-season game !

Manchester United is my happiness when all seems dark…(best avoid the tragic losses).
May 31, 2012 at 21:49
moscowJT says:
More on Asamoah…Samuel has said it all. Just to add a few-very difficult to be disposessed and can beat a man (9/10 success). He can also play behind the striker (mostly for the national team)…He also came through the youth ranks of Liberty Professionals-same as Essien, Asamoah Gyan, Muntari, Mensah, Derek Boateng, errr Pantsil who form the core of the Black Stars …Most importantly his attitude is spot on.
May 31, 2012 at 22:03
MG says:
Papii

It’s ok Papii in August The Red Knight will rise…
May 31, 2012 at 22:11
Mikekelly12 says:
Went to OT today just to get My fix. Went to sort my season ticket out. Could have done it over the phone but missed the place so wandered over! Plus I wanted to drag the ticket office manager over the desk by his tie!!!!
May 31, 2012 at 22:15
Clint-Iamyourpapii says:
I love RoM for this….banter !

MG – The Red Knight will rise early mate July perhaps I’m like Batman at the end of Dark Knight …mourning the loss of “two face”.
May 31, 2012 at 22:17
MG says:
Mike

Well done!

Shame the ticket manager wasn’t a she I’d have enjoyed the other kind of pull

That was in honour of Cedars!
May 31, 2012 at 22:18
MG says:
Well then Papii it’s time to come out of retirement and put the whole lot into place
May 31, 2012 at 22:27
Mikekelly12 says:
MG
I know mate. Some hot chicks coming out the back office while I was waiting though. Kept thinking to myself, what would Cedars do in this position right now!!!
May 31, 2012 at 22:37
MG says:
Mike

Cedars would say the following:

The names Devil, Cedars Devil, at your secret service.

Then the mother of all chat up lines

Did I tell you I love Robbo and hate leeds?
May 31, 2012 at 22:39
Busby babes says:
cedars i share your hate for leeds m8 followed by liverpool and city, and given robbie snortler played for all 3 i detest him.
May 31, 2012 at 22:45
FletchTHEMAN says:
Steve Bruce back in frame for Hull manager.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/hull-plan-new-steve-bruce-856360
May 31, 2012 at 22:46
MG says:
Mike

And then Cedars would say:

Have you seen my son Robin Van Cedars?

Goodnight United
May 31, 2012 at 22:52
Busby babes says:
fletchtheman well has far as ex united contigent go he’ll have plenty of company there lol
May 31, 2012 at 23:06
JC says:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/31/chelsea-agree-deal-hulk-porto

Hulk for 38mil ye gads, Im going to go ahead and blow the overrated horn here but at least he’s value compared to Liverpoops Donkey. And now Chelsea with 2 players for 70mil pounds spent just in transfer fees… there goes the winnings from their next 2 Champs league trophies… hah.
May 31, 2012 at 23:07
Busby babes says:
schmeichel back at the club lads has an ambassador
May 31, 2012 at 23:10
wayne says:
Cedars I hate Leeds as much as you do mate,told you as a little kid was at Elland Rd when ‘super leeds’ took us apart 5-1,Leeds away was always the game I’d be super pumped for and that super leeds team was a bunch of vile horrible cunts
May 31, 2012 at 23:12
iced earth says:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2152949/Peter-Schmeichel-returns-Manchester-United-club-ambassador.html
May 31, 2012 at 23:20
FletchTHEMAN says:
Incredible….. Hulk goes to Chavs for £39M

JC….. Starting to feel like the country lads watching the foxes and hounds.
May 31, 2012 at 23:22
WillieRedNut says:
Chelsea sign hulk for 38 million? City have offered 50 million for the Fantastic 4!
May 31, 2012 at 23:29
Phil Jones' Birdshit Streaks says:
As much as I love Schmeichel for what he did for us, I STILL can’t get over the fact that he went to City. That will always leave a sour taste in my mouth.

Also, I wouldn’t trust any story on the Daily Fail until it reaches Sky Sports.
May 31, 2012 at 23:30
Busby babes says:
the way that lot are going they’ll need iron man to keep them all in check, fairplay chelsea’s new manager roman abramovich is laying down the foundations for years to come, and finally some stablity at the helm lol
May 31, 2012 at 23:47
Fred says:
Welcome back, Schmikes!
June 1, 2012 at 00:08
WillieRedNut says:
The dog on Corrie?
June 1, 2012 at 00:15
Fred says:
Well he’s no Craig Gordon, I admit that…
June 1, 2012 at 00:18
Fred says:
Anyway, the name you all better get used to is MOUSSA DEMBÉLÉ.
June 1, 2012 at 00:22
WillieRedNut says:
Stop that now, you’ll upset parryheid. He loves Craig Gordon.
June 1, 2012 at 00:23
Clint-Iamyourpapii says:
Huh What about Jack Rodwell and Calvin Clyne ?
June 1, 2012 at 00:26
WillieRedNut says:
Vince Vaughn too.
June 1, 2012 at 00:33
Clint-Iamyourpapii says:
“I wouldn’t mind Joey Barton or Charlie Adam”.

A few oracles was spot on with that, can’t put my chocolate finger on the culprit though hmm
June 1, 2012 at 00:33
Fred says:
Calvin Clyne
June 1, 2012 at 00:41
Fred says:
You forgot Nick “The Power” Powell, the man whose transfer fee gets higher with each new article written about him.
June 1, 2012 at 00:41
Clint-Iamyourpapii says:
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/323371/Manchester-City-help-fund-united-hazard-move-to-keep-Manchester-dominance-alive

MANCHESTER CITY have moved swiftly to soften the blow of MANCHESTER UNITED missing out on CREWE Midfielder Nick Powell by offering them an astonishing £37 million to tie up a deal for Lille’s Eden Hazard, snatching him from the hands of Chelsea who have reportedly agreed a £32m transfer fee.

Unbeliev-ahfucking-ble
June 1, 2012 at 00:45
WillieRedNut says:
I’ll never get over the ending of Sopranos.
June 1, 2012 at 00:49
WillieRedNut says:
It all went pete tong when Johnny Sack was killed off.
June 1, 2012 at 00:54
FletchTHEMAN says:
Michael Carrick 4England? Unquoted “sources”.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9303832/Euro-2012-Michael-Carrick-rethinks-England-career-after-Roy-Hodgsons-appointment.html
June 1, 2012 at 01:02
WillieRedNut says:
Carrick is a mug if he goes back to England now. He wasn’t deemed good enough for a place in the squad, or even on standby. Tell woy to get lost Micheal!
June 1, 2012 at 01:07
FletchTHEMAN says:
Willie, How do you do the rolling eye smilley? That would be good for my last post.

Nighies you Reds…..
June 1, 2012 at 01:12
Clint-Iamyourpapii says:
Carrick is not a mug, he’s a cup !

Fucking Cup !
June 1, 2012 at 01:14
WillieRedNut says:
Fletch – I don’t know mate? Ask Papiss!
June 1, 2012 at 02:57
Sandeep1878 says:
Morning reds around the world…
June 1, 2012 at 03:06
dannysoya LOVES SIAN MASSEY says:
Clint is that a joke article or something? LMFAOOOOO.
June 1, 2012 at 03:12
dannysoya LOVES SIAN MASSEY says:
also on the carrick ossue. Carrick would be a complete idiot to come out of retirement after the way they have treated. I hope he knows that the reason why people are calling for him to get back in the squad is because England have three central mids injured. Its not right for them to treat him that way and then try to force him to come back into that setup.
June 1, 2012 at 03:30
Ash says:
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2012/06/01/romelu-lukaku-baffled-by-chelsea-treatment-and-left-cold-by-champions-league-win/63130/?

Haha. Lukaku refuses to lift the Champions League trophy. Reallly feel sorry for lukaku. He was said to be the next big thing but now he is just another thing. I bet chelsea will implode.
June 1, 2012 at 04:03
united.george says:
Hey would you look at that…..some things never change.

Chicharito scores for Mexico to beat Bosnia 2-1, deep in injury time!

Glad for Javier, needs to have a good offseason and come back ready for United.
June 1, 2012 at 04:10
Marq says:
Carrick should just carry on with his holiday. Let England’s central midfield pairing be Gerrard & Henderson, the pairing that would probably have their team relegated if the league started in Jan. All other teams in Europe are already quaking in their boots =p
June 1, 2012 at 06:14
Arbiter says:
I honestly feel that, while supporting the team at all times is the correct thing to do, but Fergie and his coaching and scouting team have been trying to play Football Manager for a few years now. While we supporters are accused of doing that when we dream of top players joining the club, I think its Fergie and his team who are in dreamland. I absolutely agree with the ranters on here, I mean, we have by far the biggest revenue in the PL, and in the top 3 globally, and yet we are unable to pay top wages. This is absolute tosh, if you ask me.

A team with potential is not always the team which wins everything, we eventually have to add proven performers. And if those players demand top dollar, we ought to pay them, since we should be able to afford them. A point I do not understand is when Real and Barca have similar debt levels as us, how come they don’t keep making interest payments and its only us who keep losing money ? We make a £100 million profit, and suddenly, bonds are brought back, one-time payment is made to reduce the debt, and more such trash is espoused by the club’s hierarchy, and somehow, the debt doesn’t exactly go down by too large an amount. Despite so many payments and buy-backs, we still remain close to £400 million in debt.

I am tired of investment in youth in the squad, because, firstly, the promising reserves and youths don’t get a chance, and on top of that, the ones which are part of the first team squad, they get rotated too much, whether due to injuries, or because Fergie likes to rotate the squad so that everyone’s match fit. That rotation also means that players who are in form lose their form due to sitting out matches. It is here that Fergie should look at top sides globally, whether it be Barca, Real, Bayern, Dortmund, Juventus, or Milan, they have a consistent playing XI, or at least, a core of 7-9 players playing week in week out. And I think we are unable to do that happens because our coaching and training methods are flawed and outdated. Fergie seriously needs a new team in place. We have a defender as the first team coach, and our team can’t defend !!! How much worse can it get ?
June 1, 2012 at 06:18
RedHound says:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1203268-shinji-kagawa-5-changes-manchester-united-will-make-after-his-signing

Just the kind of analysis i was looking for. Just about makes sense, the writer however expertly and conveniently goes around the the welbeck and Chicharito issue.
June 1, 2012 at 06:38
CedarsDevil says:
Morning all

Shit loads of U21 matches taking place today…..Anyone know if any United youngsters are involved?
June 1, 2012 at 06:53
soren says:
Javier Hdz>>>>>>Dzeko
Happy Birthday Javier!!!
Cheer up!!! Papii
Where is Shinji?
June 1, 2012 at 06:57
RedHound says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDU73Hn7LrM
June 1, 2012 at 06:59
CedarsDevil says:
Hi soren!

How have you been my darling? Really happy for Hernandez, he always delivers, I really love this player…. Just hope he now gets a needed rest so he can be fresh for next season
June 1, 2012 at 07:07
Bobby Charlton's combover says:
I know Carrick has ruled himself out but Henderson in for Lampard? The lad is pure muck and has no England experience. England are a shambles yet again. Had Carrick been treated with the respect his performances have deserved they wouldn’t be in this shit but piss poor management has it’s consequences.
June 1, 2012 at 07:11
slim says:
morning reds. man oh man if the Chavs get the hulk they’re gonna be quite something next season. I hear ROM’S favorite word, “overrated” has creeper in. He ain’t. that fella is one he’ll of a striker. League is shaping up nicely before it’s even begun.
June 1, 2012 at 07:26
Ash says:
slim

Hulk is be a top class striker. But again whether he will be succesful or not depends on the management of chelsea. If hulk had joined Arsenal or united then I would have been quite sure him to be an instant success but at chelsea I am not quite sure.
Remember Dzeko when he joined city everyone was saying he would take the league by storm but look what happened to him, he is lost in the scuffle . I still won’t consider chelsea as threat because they are managed very poorly.
June 1, 2012 at 07:31
PeteyRedRed says:
The Republik of Mancunia.. turning Die hard fans into educated die hard super fans.
I’m more of a reader than a poster on here, but Im never off it. Keep up the good posts fellas, can never how too much red knowledge!!
June 1, 2012 at 07:34
PeteyRedRed says:
Have* ffs. Shit iPhone. That’s why I don’t post much lol
June 1, 2012 at 07:41
CedarsDevil says:
PeteyRedRed

Isn’t it just? I for one love this place
June 1, 2012 at 08:01
RedHound says:
and no its not bebe

http://www.joe.ie/football/football-news/portuguese-man-sues-church-for-10-million-for-ruining-his-manchester-united-career-its-not-bebe-0021880-1
June 1, 2012 at 08:20
coomy says:
morning rom’ers

have a look at this vid, really funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AleYSkW2LoQ
June 1, 2012 at 08:28
CedarsDevil says:
coomy

That is a nice video, but it was already posted yesterday mate by Devil310
June 1, 2012 at 08:29
Busby babes says:
chelsea keep spending like they are then the personal they’ll be able to call on then u would deem them a threat, colllectively though over the season ego’s could end up derailing their title push, lads has city found out to some extent last year you can buy top players, but you cant buy FERGIE’S winning mentality:-)
June 1, 2012 at 08:36
coomy says:
@ CedarsDevil

Thanks bro, Rom are so busy these days that its difficult to keep track. I need football i mean real football not the euro thing.
kagawaaaaaaaaaaawawawawawawwaaaaawawawawaa
June 1, 2012 at 08:50
CedarsDevil says:
coomy

Yes, RoM is busy nearly all the time so I get you.

Busby babes

The Chelsea spending is a good thing in my opinion, might make them challengers again next season which is a good thing. I do not want the PL to become a 2 horse race like Spain or Scotland etc…

Bring it on I say
June 1, 2012 at 09:26
PeteyRedRed says:
@ cedars. It is the best thing since sliced bread. I like to bust out random facts I’ve learnt on here to impress fellow reds and piss off city fans with our history.
June 1, 2012 at 10:01
Busby babes says:
cedars could’nt agree more m8, more competion leads to a better specticle, we do love a challenge
June 1, 2012 at 10:13
RedHound says:
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1559221_sir-alex-ferguson-facing-uphill-fight-in-talent-contest

Great Article and what what some people have been banging on here and true every word of it.
June 1, 2012 at 10:57
WillieRedNut says:
MEN are no experts on anything. Hulk is an overrated clown! That was for slim Charles.
June 1, 2012 at 11:02
WillieRedNut says:
And I don’t mean us men? Manchester Evening News!
June 1, 2012 at 13:18
King Eric says:
Are you serious? Hulk is fucking dog shit he really is and I sincerely hope Chelsea HAVE spunked 30 odd million on him.
June 1, 2012 at 13:23
Wakey says:
@Arbiter

Firstly would you really want the club to break its long standing policy of keeping wages below 50% of revenue? It’s this sensible policy that’s allowed the club to keep investing significant amounts over the last few decades without doing a Leeds. The clubs paying more wages than us are only doing so because they have a sugar daddy funding them, should this person pull out these clubs aren’t sustainable (even less so if they call their investment back in before leaving)

With Real and Barca, when they run their presidential election every 5 seasons not only does anyone who officially enters have to put money down to run (although it’s usually only 1 candidate that ever officially enters with the rest pulling out once it’s clear they can’t win) BUT they also have to be ale to guarantee outside funding that’s enough to cover a certain percentage of the planned running costs over their term.

The majority of this funding comes from the Spanish Banks in the form of interests fee loans. This is something they do because of pressure placed on them by both the government (local and national) and in Reals case the king of Spain. And throughout history both have often made no attempt to pay these back, they sit on them until the banks declare them bad debt and write the loans off.

And a I keep saying debt in business isn’t the ‘evil’ thing it is personal finance which is why most of the major companies in this world carry a certain level of debt on their accounts. While 45mill a season may sound a lot it does come with its own benefits which reduce the real world cost of the (tax relief and the likes) and certainly if the Glazers had bought the club outright with their own money or if we had still be a PLC the dividends that would have needed to be paid wouldn’t have been that far off the interest payments with the revenue we have now (although I doubt the PLC could have go revenues anywhere near the Glazers or any other business focused Owner would have)

On the rotation, the teams you mentioned all play in leagues that are much less intense in their nature. This makes it easier for them to play players more often. Just look at how long it took Silva to adjust and even last season being overplayed saw him fall off a cliff after Christmas.
June 1, 2012 at 13:35
WillieRedNut says:
To be fair to MEN, they do make some interesting points. Nothing we haven’t discussed on here before. United are always gonna struggle to match city and Chelsea’s wealth.
June 4, 2012 at 01:35
Vidic says:
:-<
June 4, 2012 at 01:37
Vidic says:
:]
June 4, 2012 at 01:38
Vidic says:
:-}
June 4, 2012 at 01:39
Vidic says:
B)
June 4, 2012 at 01:39
Vidic says:
B-)

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