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Bad News On Anderson

The club have confirmed that Anderson has pulled his hamstring which almost certainly means he won’t play next weekend against Manchester City. I had to say I told you so, trust me, but I have predicted for a while that this injury was coming. This is his sixth season at United but his time here has been marred by injury. He follows a cycle of finding good form, then being ruled out with injury, before returning to look unfit and not bothered.

Hopefully this won’t be a lengthy spell out for the Brazilian.

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Scott is the editor of Red Matters - 50 Years of Supporting Manchester United and an author of Play Like Fergie's Boys and Not Nineteen Forever. He writes for ESPN, The Metro and Bleacher Report. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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184 Comments

  1. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Goat – if you’re looking for a defensive winger, you can find them in lower leagues, they usually use workman like workrate to cover up their poor attacking play, bale is hardly a player that focuses on his defensive duty, regardless of his height and power, i don’t think he’s the man for the role you’re asking of him.

    i don’t think you have any proof that, wayne shows a sign of frustration at anyone that doesn’t lay the right pass e.t.c and lot of players in footballing history have been best of friends but they still get on with it, they’re professionals after all and with nani laying most of the assists during rooney’s 35 goals season spurt, you’d imagine he appreciates the portuguese’ talent. Like i always say, i would rather a player tries to something to make a difference than one that square passes with no impact, i would rather a player doesn’t hide under his shell like most british players. In life, if you take a risk, you’ll either benefit or fail but then you try again. When you say he hasn’t developed, i’m not sure what you mean. Is it tge fact he hasn’t lived up to that ridiculous comparison with ronaldo (he’s a winger while ronaldo is mainly a roaming forward), i really don’t get it to be honest because looking at his general contributions during his 5years at united, he’s been a key player.

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s had infuriating and frustrating spells and his form has dipped but looking throughout europe and comparing him with the best wide players, he can stand alongside them all. He’s a confidence player and we won’t see the best from him until he starts getting more support, not fans groaning aftet every poor touch from him. I personally think he’s a continental player, not for this league.

    He’s 25 and will likely move on but it wouldn’t be due not being good enough, i’m sure a disagreement on contractual terms and a general lack of support and appreciation will be the reason.

  2. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Goat – if you’re looking for a defensive winger, you can find them in lower leagues, they usually use workman like workrate to cover up their poor attacking play, bale is hardly a player that focuses on his defensive duty, regardless of his height and power, i don’t think he’s the man for the role you’re asking of him.

    i don’t think you have any proof of that, wayne shows a sign of frustration at anyone that doesn’t lay the right pass e.t.c and lot of players in footballing history have not been best of friends but they still get on with it, they’re professionals after all and with nani laying most of the assists during rooney’s 35 goals season spurt, you’d imagine he appreciates the portuguese’ talent. Like i always say, i would rather a player tries to something to make a difference than one that square passes with no impact, i would rather a player doesn’t hide under his shell like most british players. In life, if you take a risk, you’ll either benefit or fail but then you try again. When you say he hasn’t developed, i’m not sure what you mean. Is it the fact he hasn’t lived up to that ridiculous comparison with ronaldo (he’s a winger while ronaldo is mainly a roaming forward and a rare talent), i really don’t get it to be honest because looking at his general contributions during his 5years at united, he’s been a key player.

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s had infuriating and frustrating spells and his form has dipped but looking throughout europe and comparing him with the best wide players, he can stand alongside them all. He’s a confidence player and we won’t see the best from him until he starts getting more support, not fans groaning after every poor touch from him. I personally think he’s a continental player, not for this league.

    He’s 25 and will likely move on but it wouldn’t be due not being good enough, i’m sure a disagreement on contractual terms and a general lack of support and appreciation will be the reason.

  3. kanchelskis says:

    @Goat

    I don’t know where you’re getting your stats from. I don’t know what RvP’s winner came off if it wasn’t a Rooney through ball.

  4. Costas says:

    @Goat

    Yeah I got your point. Ratings I also disagree with. I avoid doing them myself because comparisons are inevitable. That being said, Rooney definitely wasn’t a 8.7/10. Was he our best player on the pitch? Tough to say. I voted for the front 3 as our best players simply because they did the job they were supposed to do better than anyone else on the pitch.

    About the right back spot, here’s what got Rafa out of shape in my opinion: He knows the pattern by now. We have a problem (especially in Vidic’s absence and after Edwin’s retirement) to deal with set pieces. Evra can’t be dropped because none of our tall CBs can also play left back so Rafa has to be sacrificed in order to add more height to the defence. First it was O’Shea and now it’s Smalling and Jones. Don’t get me wrong, it was the right decision by the manager. But it’s also a short term fix and a bad break for a youngster that’s really hit his stride this season. I hope we’ll get to the root of the problem soon. There was a time when we didn’t have to sacrifice Gary Neville for a taller right back..

  5. Goat Peticoat says:

    kanchelskis
    Costas put a link up on stats. I suppose they labelled it a key pass rather than a through ball. If anything it just proves my point that stats are fucking useless and you should just go with gut feeling which is formed by years of watching the game.
    Again my point wasnt an anti-Rooney jibe it was an anti stat jibe.

  6. Goat Peticoat says:

    samuel.
    If you can find me a defensive minded winger with height and can also do the wingers role and outpace anyone, have a great free kick, take corners and general give all he meets a dose of butthurt then by all means name him. I just feel Bale is the complete player and is this years Rooney/Rodwell/etc
    Rooney excelled as he was snapped up by United and taught to play. Rodwell failed (or has had arrested development) because he stayed at Everton too long. Bale needs to get out of Spurs now, I feel he is what we are looking for. He would fit right in.

  7. WeAreUnited says:

    For me, Bale isn’t a bad player, he’s a very good player, if he would come, I would be more than glad, he’s fast, he’s tal, and has an eye for a goal.

    Why be disappointed if he comes, he’s better than Ashley Young, with all due respect towards our United winger. And he’s as fast or faster that Valencia, and ex-defender, so he can defend, and scores alot more than Valencia. That being said, he’s only thing is that he’s not as strong, but that is forgotten by his goals.

    My own prefer, if we and when we unfortunately sell Nani, we should get Iker Muniain, cause I have seen him play in many games, and he’s raw talent and also Bilbao is not doing that great so he would feel appreciated here. Also his mate DDG is playing here, so that would help 100%.

    Anyway, If Bale doesn’t come, well probably, we will buy some young player and develope him into a Ronaldo. OR find a same kind of a player as Nani, but maybe even better. For me it’s 50/50. Whatever happens.

    As for Rooney and Nani not coming along, well @Goat and @Samuel, I agree 100% with @Goat, no matter how many goals Nani assisted on that 35goals season for Rooney, they usually both are happy when they score and go celebrate together, but usually Rooney is all but love towards Nani.

    You can see it in the Rio’s first diary of the pre-season tour, when Nani speaks and kids around, Rooney isn’t that happy haha.

    But they are professionals, so they handel it and appreciate the work, but you have to be blind to not see that Rooney more than often yells to Nani and doesn’t pass to him that much. Believe it or not. It’s right there. They will celebrate together, cause they have the same goal and purpose, but Rooney isn’t that friendly with Nani.

    peace.

  8. Goat Peticoat says:

    Costas
    There was a time when we didn’t have to sacrifice Gary Neville for a taller right back..

    Too true but Ferguson did say he was a natural CB but lacked the height. We do need to address the CB possitions though thats for sure. I hope Smalling and Jones get alot more starts. Vidic is looking fragile and Ferdinand, especially after yesterdays performance is looking like hes for the knackers yard already.
    Alot go on about our midfield, I dont see a problem or a need for a box to box kicke em in the air type but I do see 3 replacements to our back 4.
    Would you be comfortable going with Rafael Smalling Jones and Fabio. I think I would but they need time to gel.

  9. denton davey says:

    Marq/Costas/Kanchelskis – my estimation of Ashley Young comes from watching the game, not counting “statistics”. It’s my opinion – only that ! – Ashely Young is an awful player . It’s my opinion that he’s timid, one-footed, and not-in-the-least creative. It’s also my opinion that purchasing him – when there were already two excellent wingers in Nani/AV7 – AND when there’s been a crying-need for a midfield ball-winner/box-to-box player was an absolute and complete waste of money. NOW, when the team’s attacking formation is shifting from the traditional flat-4-4-2 to something more exotic like a 4-2-3-1, that expenditure seems significantly more wasteful.

    You guys can pick out moments when he does something good – I’m not going to deny that – but I watch the whole match and try to make an evaluation of everything he does and doesn’t do. We all watch the matches through our own eyes – and what we see is influenced by our opinions. Mine is that Ashley Young isn’t UTD-quality AND he’s not going to get any better. He’s not a waste-of-space but I do think that his contribution is small and significantly less than expected.

  10. kanchelskis says:

    @denton

    I’m not disagreeing with your overall opinion of him, necessarily. Just with your assessment that he was consistently awful yesterday, bar the one incident you’ve picked out.

    I’ve picked out two more, one which led to a goal, the other which also technically did, and would’ve been credited but for the linesman’s incompetence.

    No problem with you having an opinion of him, but if you’re basing it on a complete misreading / misremembering of what’s happened in a game, I’m less likely to respect it.

  11. LucasUTD says:

    Hear hear denton davey!

  12. Walata says:

    @ Goat

    No Evans in your preferred long-term back four?

  13. Walata says:

    @ Costas-There was a time we didn’t have to sacrifice Gary Neville for a taller RB

    But u ignore the fact that we had a Keano in the midfield then. He was more than just a darn good player; he was practically our coach on the field. Our current team has no one who can marshall defensive set ups & take charge of situations.

  14. Goat Peticoat says:

    Walata
    Not sure. Evans is getting better and better all the time but Im just wondering whether him sitting on the bench for quite a few number of years behind Ferdinand and Vidic has caused him to maybe not develop like he could. A bit like Brown and Oshea. Of course we are never going to go through a season with only 2 center backs so there is no chance (i hope) of selling him but Smalling and Jones have played together for the England U21s and they are developing and getting games of the ammount youd expect them to get for their age. Evans has sat a little too long. It may be early doors as yet as Evans is still young. Maybe Jones will be seen as Carricks replacement. Maybe Fergusons idea is to go with Rafael Smalling Evans and Fabio with Jones sitting just in front doing Carricks job. Just ahead of him Cleverly and Ando with a top line of Wellbeck Rooney and RvP(Chico). But like I said we can pick a top 11 untill we are blue in the face, it is a squad game and the best 11 will probably not play more than 5 times a season together due to squad rotation and injuries.
    I have nothing against Evans and hope he stays and hope for now he plays

  15. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Goat – bale is a top player and if fergie was interested, i would have no problem with it. He just wouldn’t be signed to play defensively, his quality is mainly going forward, he’s genuinely a poor defender. I don’t think fergie would pay the supposed 50mill spurs would ask for a player to left back, don’t see it happening. Might as well give the younger players at united a chance or scout the world for a top winger with less price tag.

  16. Goat Peticoat says:

    samuel
    Im not saying he will play left back. Not saying that at all. I have Fabio earmarked for that job. Im saying its handy to have a LM/LW who can if needed for certain situation not be so alien to helping out that smaller and flimsier wingers couldnt do. If you have Smalling, Jones and Evans in the box with Carrick adding more height then an extra tall head in Bale cannot hurt. What hurt us against Reading and Stoke in the past is we have short fullbacks and we have midfielders such as Cleverley, Scholes, Ando, nani, Young with little height. Im just trying to address that WITHOUT loosing speed on the wing, ability, shooting ability, play making skills.

  17. fitz'em'good'n'tightb says:

    IT SO SIMPLE!!!

    Just go out and buy a hard tackling, box to box midfielder in the mould of roy keane. A leader, a man who will solve all our midfield problems.

    Just one problem…. this player does not exist!

    im gettin sick and tired of everyone banging on about this, do you really think fergie doesnt realise we need this type of player as well?

    There are plenty of tuff tacklers around who will win the ball back, like tiote. but this is manchester united. we need more, this man has to be able to play ball as well.
    There are very few of these players out there and none that are available to my knowledge.

    So lets acting like fergie can pop down to tesco and pick one up!

  18. Marq says:

    @Denton
    First of all, your frustration is directed at the wrong direction. Is it Young’s fault that Sir Alex didn’t go for a midfielder that you like? Your comment of a waste of money is directed at Sir Alex. I’m pretty sure most of us would rather let Sir Alex be the one wasting money than any frickle fan

    Secondly, so many of us are trying to point out, the amusing thing about Young’s bashers are that they are more likely to be the ones who rate Young highly, and when he doesn’t have 100% passing rates, 10 inch perfect crosses, dribble past 3 defenders every single possession, make 2 assists and score 1 goal every game, he is rated ‘Not United Material’. For the rest of us, We don’t really care what he does, as long as he does his job, which he did against Reading & Chelsea, we are happy enough. You can go join the likes of Antiscouser and be bitter all the time or you can be like us appreciating the little things and decisions by Sir Alex, up to you.

    Btw, the need for a midfielder is on everyone’s mind, but I blame Giggs & Scholes for overstaying rather than blame Young, or any arrivals.

  19. Walata says:

    @ Marq

    The irony is that Giggs & Scholes staying on is also Sir Alex’s decision.

  20. mansuy united says:

    Can’t help but object to this posting’s derisive tone. Perhaps he is partially at fault for not looking after his body better. Perhaps Giggs ought to pull him aside and explain the merits of yoga in strengthening the muscles’ elasticity. Though, from our perspective, it’s not his fault he’s injured himself. The boy’s done it while giving his all for the club. I think he deserves a bit more respect and empathy — after all, this is his career, his life. I’m sure he can’t stand being on the sidelines any more than we can bear watching him there.

    Best of lucking mending, Andinho.

  21. Marq says:

    @Walata

    The difference is that Giggs & Scholes has a say in that decision. Or do you think any player the frickle fans deem not good enough should tell Sir Alex that they shouldn’t play?

  22. denton davey says:

    Marq @ 03:08: “We don’t really care what he does, as long as he does his job, which he did against Reading & Chelsea, we are happy enough. You can go join the likes of Antiscouser and be bitter all the time or you can be like us appreciating the little things and decisions by Sir Alex, up to you.”

    I write on here often enough for you to know that I am generally up-beat – a glass half-full kinda guy – and not “bitter all the time”. However, my patience with Ashley Young has snapped – I tend to see what he doesn’t do and, as you and Costas and Kanchelskis pointed out, I tend to overlook the good things he contributes. On balance, he doesn’t do enough to take playing time away from DannyTheLad or Chicharito – I do understand that those two guys – and KagawaBunga offer different things which I consider more valuable. In fact, last month I wrote that of UTD’s 8 main attacking players Ashley Young is 8th in my estimation.

    “Btw, the need for a midfielder is on everyone’s mind, but I blame Giggs & Scholes for overstaying rather than blame Young, or any arrivals.”

    I’d agree with that.

  23. Sonneveld says:

    Does anyone here know Leroy Fer. The guy could be a decent signing. He is uncapped in the CL. He is big, strong and fast. Plays a lot like Anderson. He’s also young.

  24. Bobby Charlton's combover says:

    Everybodys worst fears confirmed. Everyone had high hopes for him and he wasn’t disappointing.
    Hopefully he’ll recover quickly and get quickly back into his strike. I hope this doesn’t mean too much reliance on Scholes and especially Giggs for the next few games. Tom and maybe Powell need to get their chance.

  25. Proverb says:

    Off topic:
    Sir Alex Ferguson says Jose Mourinho is capable of replacing him at Manchester United. http://t.co/PtyHwDAd
    [Sky sport]

  26. artful says:

    sir why mourinho better pep

  27. Costas says:

    @Walata

    Even with Keane out there, I doubt some of those goals from corner kicks would have been avoided. Lindegaard just wasn’t commanding enough and Jonny is still a bit better at attacking corners than defending them. With Edwin retired and Vidic missing, I am afraid that a tall right back is a necessity for games like this.

    @denton

    Of course it’s your prerogative whether Ashley Young appeals to you or not. I am not denying that. But your critisism of his performance at Reading seems to overlook a lot of the positive contributions he made. I’ve seen a lot of his sceptics admit he had a good game. Heck, Antiscouser vanished that day. That should tell you something…

    It’s also your prerogative to want the best from the team, but in my opinion, expecting Young to do the job Ronaldo or Nani would do is not on. It would save everyone a lot of trouble if they just accepted Young as a modern day Park (who also rarely used his left foot and rarely took on the full back). Like Marq said. He does the job he can do to the best of his capabilities. THat’s all I ask for.

  28. Marq says:

    Sir Alex publicly endorsing Mourinho, not for the first time. Has he ever done that for any other managers? From the looks of things, I think the ideal case now seems to be Mourinho here for 3 years before Solskjear takes over?

  29. DreadedRed says:

    It is Sir Alex’s fault that we have won 4 of the last 6 Prems (with 2 second place finishes) and it’s Sir Alex’s fault that we have been in 3 of the last 6 CL finals (with a SF and a QF)

    He is to blame.

  30. Proverb says:

    Sir alex using as a smoke screen in my view
    Guardiola is our next manager after fergie and he has done enough to convince me he could be the right coach for the long term

  31. denton davey says:

    Costas @ 09:15: ” It would save everyone a lot of trouble if they just accepted Young as a modern day Park (who also rarely used his left foot and rarely took on the full back). Like Marq said. He does the job he can do to the best of his capabilities. THat’s all I ask for.”

    you’ve made two points that I want to respond to:

    first, comparing AY to ThreeLungPark is a disservice to both players; Park was a tenacious defender who was pretty lousy as an attacker whereas AY is a lousy defender who is NOT a terrific attacker; and,

    second, it’s not about doing “the job he can do to the best of his capabilities” – if that were the case then a “trier” would be sufficient. Trying to do the job is a minimum requirement; more is needed and expected. Given that AY is installed in an attacking position, the expectation must be that he is both creative and consistent. I don’t think that he meets that expectation – I know, he does some good things but he also doesn’t do them consistently because he is one-footed, timid, and more than likely to pass the ball backwards rather than driving at the opponent. One example – in the recent Ingerland match, AY was on the left wing and he drove to the bye-line and put in a perfect left-footed cross that was nodded home by DannyTheLad; when was the last time he did anything like that in the red shirt ?

    So, I guess where AY is concerned, I’m a glass-empty kinda guy.

  32. Costas says:

    @denton

    When was the last time he was afforded so much space and time on the left by any right back in England? They have figured him out over here and know how to limit him. And he’s not a Ronaldo type dribbler. We knew both these things when we signed him. So yes, he’s doing the best with what he has and it’s probably what the manager asks of him too. If it’s not enough, then the blame should go to the manager.

    My comparison between him and Park had more to do with the attacking side of things. The fact that they are not traditional wingers that will run down the byline. I give you that Young is a bit more talented in that department, but neither guy’s job is to win us games.

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