The good and bad of tonight, aided of course by hindsight…
Good
- Wayne Rooney’s fitness: He managed to run around and even after being kicked and looking as though he was fucked, managed to keep on playing. Hearing he was in the starting team on the radio on the way to the ground and listening to all those Ingerlernd pricks whinging about it was really a brilliant start to the evening.
- The first half: We played bloody brilliant football and created chance after chance. Following the disappointing result at the weekend I was so pleased with our attitude and performance.
– Team selection: With 11 men we were never going to get knocked out. Darron Gibson warranted his inclusion with the opening goal and the risk of playing Rooney paid off.
- The feeling when we scored: I surprised even myself with how happy I was when every single one of our goals went in. Maybe it was the man going bonkers behind me and throwing me all over the place or maybe it was because I really believed we were going to the final, but it really did feel better than it has done for a while when celebrating our goals.
- Nani: As well as his two goals and his loony celebration, he had a great game today. He worked as hard going forward as he did defensively, and even when fighting a losing battle when up front by himself, he chased down every ball. Whatever people want to say about the comparisons with Ronaldo, CR9 never worked as hard for our team as Nani did tonight and I take my hat off to him. All his recent talk about now understanding what it means to be a United player clearly isn’t just PR bollocks.
Bad
- Michael Carrick: Had we been 3-0 up when we went down to ten men, you would have to fancy us still. However, Carrick was at fault for Bayern Munich getting themselves back in to the game just before the end of the first half. He then contributed nothing positive to the game, selling Van der Sar short with a backpass, blew the opportunity to put us 4-1 up and lost the ball repeatedly. I’m not one of those fans who have been bashing Carrick for the past few years, but he has made it hard to do anything other than slag him off over pretty much the season as a whole. I personally wouldn’t have him anywhere near the starting XI for the remaining five games and give him the summer to think over whether he really fancies this whole United player lark or not.
- Keeping Rooney on: Wazza shouldn’t have appeared for the second half. He’d had a near miss in the first half and for him to come back out in the second half, with him largely ineffective, seemed pointless.
- The referee: Wow. Did our players miss the memo that said if you fall over, regardless of whether you are fouled or not, the referee will award a freekick? Sixteen times the referee blew for a foul on Bayern Munich players and I’d argue even half of those were generous decisions.
- Rafael da Silva: I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career. We have put our Premiership title in jeopardy for the sake of the Champions League and this risk would have been justified had we progressed to the semi-finals tonight. Now we are second in the league and without the comfort of Europe to make it worth our while. Taking forever to get off the pitch, moping with self-pity, didn’t exactly endear him to me. I hope Gary Neville has a chat with him tomorrow morning at Carrington and I wouldn’t be averse to him giving a slap or two either.
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I’m fucking gutted Scott. I’m having a hard time finding any good in it, especially since I feel we lost the Chelscum match because of a European hangover.
In his defence, Rafael was absolutely fantastic before he was sent off, Van Bommel should have gone in the first half and the second yellow was very, very dodgy – especially when Robben lashed out in the same incident – had he connected surely he would have been the one seeing red.
To Rafael’s credit: while it was a silly silly way to get sent off in one of the most important games the season, he did have a really good game otherwise and really troubled Ribery.
So yes, he has to bear responsibility but don’t write him off, he still is the future of the right back position.
The rest of it is spot on, I think, except maybe for Gibson, who can shoot but that’s where his contribution ends.
Great to see Nani and Valencia destroy their defense. Rooney had a good first 20 minutes but should not have been kept on.
I think the team deserve credit for a brave performance – even with a man down, they fought hard and could have scored.
We do need central midfielders though, Carrick, Gibson, and unfortunately Scholes and Giggs to an extent cannot compete at the highest level.
I think that Nani proved today that as soon as he gets the consistency we have a winger as talented as the one who left in summer at our disposal.
its hard to disagree with any of that…
A tad harsh on young rafa there.I feel he didn’t play to badly and the 2nd booking was a bit harsh. Kept Ribery pretty much in his back pocket all first half. Couldnt agree more with the rest tho.
I Agree about everything especially about carrick.. have to disagree about rafael though.. harsh by the ref and such a young lad.. But it was unnessesary.. but you would expect carrick to be better than rafael anyways which he wasnt by a mile
Scott: “Had we been 3-0 up when we went down to ten men, you would have to fancy us still. However, Carrick was at fault for Bayern Munich getting themselves back in to the game just before the end of the first half.”
I agree with this argument – that damned Olic’s goal was the crucial event in giving Bayern a way back into the match. And, it’s impossible to argue that Carrick was at fault in that sequence that led to Olic’s shot and goal – Van Der Sar was hung out to dry.
Scott “He then contributed nothing positive to the game, selling Van der Sar short with a backpass, blew the opportunity to put us 4-1 up and lost the ball repeatedly”.
A bit harsh – that “opportunity” was a bouncing ball which really gave Carrick trouble.
“I’m not one of those fans who have been bashing Carrick for the past few years, but he has made it hard to do anything other than slag him off over pretty much the season as a whole. I personally wouldn’t have him anywhere near the starting XI for the remaining five games and give him the summer to think over whether he really fancies this whole United player lark or not.”
Scott – you’re a tough bastard ! On the other hand, I have been one of those who have questioned his style of play and I’m not sure that sending him into the corner, wearing a dunce’s cap, is the right response. Rather, keep the faith and then make sure to find someone else to provide more drive to the midfield – by the way, Darron Gibson’s inclusion caught me by surprise but he justified SAF’s choice for much, much more than the first goal. Darron played extremely well – and he’s a tough bastard. So, since UTD won’t be buying Daniele De Rossi then perhaps Gibson can morph into Gibinho to play alongside Fletcherinho in a Gaelic samba.
Agree on all the points, more or less.
Thought Carrick was, once again, totally inept, and I would place a good deal of responsibility on him for their second – caught sleeping in the centre circle again in the build up to the corner. Lost count of how often that has happened this season – he has never recovered from playing in defence! Needs to book a Thomson package deal if he wants to be in S Africa this summer, and, as you said, should be very worried about his place at United. Does he want it enough?
Thought Rafael was excellent when he was on the pitch, just the stupidity that comes with youth that got him sent off – a kick out and his perpetually flailing arms!!! still, it happens so often he needs to man the fuck up or those kinds of mistakes will continue to cost us.
Nani, what a transformation! I was a Nani basher, but bloody hell, I take my hat off to him – what a trasnformation, let’s just hope we see similar improvements from Anderson in the new season.
Good/Bad: the attitude after going down to 10 men and losing the goal: Great workrate, superb chasing, lots of attempts, never lost hope. So why not just a plus? Because we didn’t get the goal, so the running didn’t pay off and now our team could be knackered come the weekend.
Enough good things to inject some belief into what a side that has gone through a bad spell. Let’s just go for it boys – win 5 games and I reckon we’ll be champions!
Scott are you serious..?
You want the effects of tonights match to stay with rafael for the rest of his career??
one of our very own bright young prospects.
shows how much of a fan u are..
i for one hope he can get over this,it will be difficult but life goes on.. true fans support players, especially young talented players like rafael who are the future of our club..
We couldn’t have put it better ourselves. 2 goals conceded in a match we were 3-0 up and only had to win 1-0!? When I said I was going to read out your good and bad comments I asked what the 1st words of bad were going to be…. My 11 yr old step-son said “Carrick”. BTW, in the goods, you missed out the absence of Park and, in the goods, the fact that Silvestre is no longer laying the ball off for the opposition. 6:16 over here in Florida which means enough time to drink to the point where I forget the score.
I think you are seriously wrong in putting Carrick in the bad category, and arguably with putting Rafael in there. Carrick tracked the deep striker brilliantly before being knocked off balance while running. You have to ask, where were the central defenders when the striker picks up the ball ten yards out? Rafael was our player of the first half without doubt, and was terribly unlucky to be sent off. I was expecting a final warning, especially given our covering players, but the card was unwarranted. Having said that, of course going down to 10-men ultimately cost us the game so I can see where you’re coming from. Much as I love Giggs (and believe me, the man can do no wrong in my eyes!) I would have rather brought on Macheda, my philosophy being we might as well lost outright as go out on away goals. A touch cautious, I felt the subs were, given the circumstances.
Rafael is one of my favorite of the youngsters. His performance tonight just underscores the fact that he has the skill and the heart to play for United. But fuck if that challenge wasn’t stupid. Already with one yellow to go after Ribery like that was just letting his emotions take control.
In my opinion if the worst thing that happened to us tonight was one young player defending too aggressively (and it was) then we did pretty well.
Now to bump Chelsea off…
the annoying thing is our RB’S in both legs were the big factor why united went out
Jam1991
give scott a rest pal.. he is probably a few beers deep already
Gibson impressed me, great shot on him and he’s always looking to get the play moving forward, doesn’t just sit back. Remember he’s only 22, could still have a bright future at Utd. Agree about a CM’er though, need a world class one who can take over from Scholes, not someone who has the potential to do so.
Jam – you’re right, I’m a shit fan.
I said: “I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career.”
Every time he even thinks about petulantly fouling someone or pulling someone back (let’s be honest, he’s not exactly a fast learner where these fouls are concerned, given he’s guilty of them every time he plays), I hope he remembers how much of a cunt he feels right now. I hope that guilt of being at fault for United’s European exit never leaves him and makes him feel like he always owes us one, because he does.
Anto – I’m not really arsed where the centre backs were. The fact was Carrick is there and went down like a sack of potatoes. It’s not like that Olic is stacked. If he can’t deal with something like that, then he shouldn’t be on the park. My bloody Gran could have put that ball in the stands!
Denton Davey – Carrick has been shockingly bad for a while now and I’ve kept schtum on it. I don’t like ripping our players apart. But tonight was a night where he needed to show up and he was shit and cost us a goal. If he can’t show up for our biggest game of the season, why should we trust him to show up our next five biggest games of the season? I don’t.
Scott the Red – dont you feel rooney despite his precence was not ready, I feel berbatov or macheda should have been given the confidence and said go out there and show what you are made of. and also dont you also feel our RB’S in both legs cost us the game
sprite @ 23:13: “have to disagree about rafael though.. harsh by the ref and such a young lad.. But it was unnessesary.”
Blame it on the exuberance of youth – and, hopefully, it will be a learning experience. The kid had a terrific game apart from two brain cramps – both of them being “unnecessary” from a defensive point-of-view since both were committed well outside the danger zone. If UTD were going to lose then I’m “relatively happy” to lose with youth. Rafael will get better and what a message to the youngsters to play Rafael and Gibinho and Nani – in place of RedNev, Sir Ryan, and ThreeLungPark – in such a crucial match.
I had a feeling that the embarrassment on Saturday against the RentBoyz was a kind of swansong for RedNev, Giggs-y, and the GingerNinja. I would hope that SAF counsels these three “Legends” to go out when they’re still almost at the top of their games so that they don’t embarrass themselves and blot their copybooks with the fans (with short memories).
This season was supposed to be a “transition” after losing the self-proclaimed best player in the world and Carlitos; it wasn’t because TheLads have exceeded almost everyone’s expectations by competing in the EPL and the CL (and the EPL still isn’t over !). But now some hard decisions need to be made about those three amigos and draft some more of the kids – Cleverly and Macheda and Fabio and maybe even Obertan and Diouf – into the first-team squad. It’s time for a transfusion of new blood.
Personally Scott I think you’re bang out of order on this score! Utd’s exit has been down to sloppy defending with the ball in play. The away leg when we threw it away especially. Yet when you look at the things that went against us-a flukey deflected free kick, the Vidic header hitting the bar etc, allayed with how well the lads played tonight, then you have to say we have purely fallen victim to the lottery that is knock-out football. Utd fans are some of the worst at criticising their own, especially when we suffer low periods like now. How about not making scapegoats for once? Ribery would have pissed all over Gary Nev tonight judging by his perfomance on Saturday yet he’s comeback so well this season for us. We’ve got a trophy this year. Who know’s what will happen for the rest of the season? But would we swap all this for supporting another club? No chance!
don’t want to be overly critical but people saying rafael had ribery in his pocket for 50mins – the game is 90mins not 50 and rafael was responsible for getting sent off due to the over eagerness for the 1st yellow… it’s tough on the kid but this is a champions league semi-final, not a friendly game – this is the very highest level, if you are playing at this level you have to be able to handle it…
i’m sure he will learn but he makes the same mistakes… but i do think he will be a top player for us – hopefully
Rooney you are a eddjit, i wont elobarate, total nonesense you type.
@Jam1991
I know you’re having a laugh. Direct me to your blog that you’ve been working on for years. Go back to supporting Chelsea should they win the league.
Scott – Fair enough, but taking both legs into account, it was hardly all down to rafael was it??
Evra’s lapse in concentration / Nevilles unecessary handball / The whole midfields passing innacuracy in the first leg..
I just thought u were a bit harsh on young rafa.. just my opinion
Michael Carrick makes my blood boil. Everytime I see his name on the team sheet it sends a shudder down my spine. It’s like reocurring nightmare in which your dad walks in on you whilst having a wank only ten times worse.
It’s like having a donkey on your team. How has he got away with being a professional footballer for so long? The bloke can’t even run!
Did anyone see when he got subbed that Evans had to direct him where to sit down? The bloke has shit for brains, the gormless cunt.
Bit harsh on Rafa, mate.
We defended really well with ten men and went out to an amazing goal. 9/10 that shot would have hit row Z!!
I have a horrid feeling that this is now the end of our season. Rooney should never have played in the second half, and Ferg showed exactly what he thinks of Berba. He will never be a United player. Nani was brilliant and based on 1st half performances, Rafael was man of the match. Ribery was nowhere to be seen. Rafael will learn form his stupidness, and I hope Fergie picks him vs Blackburn away.
Scott, mate. self-pity is a feeling we endure every fucking minute of our lives. i am not in a position to argue with you but you too harsh. there will be another day..
20Olegend99 – spare me ur words
There was alot of good in this match and Rafael still had a very good game if we ignore the red card, he is still young. Nani and Valencia were fantastic.
Carrick had a terrible game, and he’s had a plenty, he just can’t keep the ball. We could really use Owen Hargreaves in these games.
Anto..spot on mate! You could argue that Carrick shouldn’t have bothered to track back! He bodged it up but I wondered when Olic became Carrick’s man? The guy was awesome for two years yet never got the recognition he deserved. Same with Evra..these boys never had songs while lesser lights and ex players were and still are lauded. One of the things I’ll never understand about games at OT..sorry about going off on a tangent there!
Yet another missed opportunity. What a disappointment after near perfect first half. When the opposition beats you fair and square you cannot complain but on this occasion we beat ourselves . Even in the away match with 12 minutes to go, despite their domination they were going no where. Neville gave a silly hand ball and how dearly Evra’s moment of madness cost us.
Tonight, their first goal changed the match and gave them belief. Had we gone in 3:0 up at half time, I am convinced that second half would have been different and it would have been difficult for Bayern to pick themselves up. Of course Rafael has a lot to learn, but Carrick should have known better.
As it is, we have to hope that we will be better equipped for the next season.
Absolutely dissapointed with Carrick’s performance. He should have done better!
Jam – if it was a one off by Rafael, then fair do’s, but how many times have these sort of fouls fucked us over? We nearly got knocked out of the League Cup semi by City because he pulled that same trick a couple of months ago. Fabio got sent off for the same this season too. If he’s not going to learn his lesson, then I will call him out for it. I know he is only young but that doesn’t excuse making the same costly mistakes. If he’s too young to learn from his mistakes then he is too young to be in the team. If he’s old enough to play then he’s old enough to take the flack that comes with royally fucking up our season.
Scott – your obviously overly frustrated..
Life goes on.. dont do anything stupid please
@Brooka
Carrick awesome for two years? Either you haven’t a clue, or you was bloody pissed in the past two years and have mistaken him for someone else.
The bloke was made to look better around top players. But now our team is in a slow decline he’s getting showing up for the average twat that he is.
Corea..exactly! Football fills the void many of us struggle to fill..that’s why it hurts! But then again would we have it any other way? Only a large minority of us Reds in the world will give a shit about tonight by the time the alarm goes off in the morning.
@Jam or lady Marmalde why are you on this site yer not a United supporter explain your point with imagination and Edge ohhh no yer a Zero.
The difference is we stick together, you dont cut the moderator. HE probably knows more about Manchester United than you do about Your Club Chester
denton davey
spot on.. rafaels talent is there for all to see.. and the stupid foul aside, he was really as close as you get to a right back evra in first half and he is what? 19 years old..
and nani.. I havent seen such a performance since the very best games of CR7
Scott the Red – WOW I thought I was on my own, seeing how inefective rooney was second half, how retarded rafeal was what was he thinking, carrick once again was poor. I AM SO PROUD THAT ALL THESE PROBLEMS UNITED CAN STILL WIN THIS LEAGUE, THIS TEAM WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS ARE DOING MIRACLES. this must be the first united tem that has overcome this amount of problems, if united win the league IT WILL BE A houdini ACT because we should not eb in this position in THE LEAGUE
I haven‘t felt like this since the Djemba Djemba era. I’m absolutely gutted. Worst case scenario in three consecutive matches that puts the season in new perspective.
Totally agree with you Scott regarding the “bad” issues here. Rooney shouldn’t have started in second half, Rafael made probably his worst mistake so far, and Carrick was a disgrace. He has been terrible in last few games, he hasn´t got what it takes. And the decision to bring in a defensive player for an attacking one in 3-1, I will never understand. There was a vacuum up front in our lineup, that gave Bayern all the time in the world to slowly build up their attacks. We just didn’t threat at all. Tactical mistakes if you ask me.
However. The season is not over. We only have to concentrate on the league now, and there is no way that Chelsea will get six points from away games against the Spurs and the dippers.
Shape up. The war is still on.
dont like saying this but we were a shambles in the 2nd half and look out on our feet for the season.i have been a carrick fan all along but he cost us the game tonight,he was pathetic for the first goal and got caught in possession in the lead up to the corner for the 2nd.really dont know where we are going!
I usually don’t disagree with you Scott, but there was no way in hell that Rafael should have gotten that red card. The first yellow yes, but the second was diabolical. He put his arm on the shoulder and Ribery made the most of it. All game Ribery was moaning and complaining over every little touch and he and his teammates surrounded the referee and the ref simply bottled it. Never a red card but he felt the pressure and lost the plot. After that Bayern were good enough to just keep it from us and the goal came eventually
@gary to me u have shit for brains. yes Carrick has been poor recently but to say
“Michael Carrick makes my blood boil. Everytime I see his name on the team sheet it sends a shudder down my spine. It’s like reocurring nightmare in which your dad walks in on you whilst having a wank only ten times worse.
It’s like having a donkey on your team. How has he got away with being a professional footballer for so long? The bloke can’t even run!”
Have u actually watched united in the 4 yrs he has been at the club because before the last couple of months he’s been an outstanding player for the club so before u start coming out with statements that make u look an absolute cock, sit back and think about his contribution to the club!
guys lets not be too negative here. but i swear if fergie doesn’t get rid of Berbatov i will pull out my hair! that’s how frustrated i am with him. please, please stop bringing him up and defending him guys. just watch him play and u’ll see what i mean. his positioning, his strength, his goal rate, his running, his pace. its all truly dreadful! i really cannot understand what u guys see in him!!! £31m for a few back flicks?!! u must be fuckin kiddin me!
Gary I saw the guy live every game for two years…and I totally agree that Ronaldo especially gave him the ‘outball.’ But how average have Nani, Park, Berbatov, Brown, O’Shea been these past two years and were made to look better by Ronaldo’s exploits? Carrick isn’t a personality so will naturally be the one in the firing line. If the manager deems him surplus to requirements then so be it. But Fergie must’ve been pissed for those two years while you were winning titles on Champ Manager hey?
scott if you read my post in the other http://therepublikofmancunia.com/ahead-of-crucial-battle-against-bayern-munich/
then we both touched on the fact that CARRICK has IMO become a liability to United. He really has
gone backwards. I was surprised by Gibson’s inclusion, but i feel he warrants first team action and
will get better and better. WHY? Because he’s hungry and like Fletcher wants to learn and become
a top top player. He has that desire and hunger that Carrick hasn’t got. It’s Carricks job to intercept, read the game and danger, and do something about it. Yet still he got easily shoved off by Olic for Bayern’s first goal, then as you rightfully say, lost possession countless times in midfield. never cut out danger man robben, which ultimately cost us. Rafael, is 18/19 he has a future. Remember when
Beckham showed petulance at the world cup in 1998 and got sent off? then england lost on pens to argentina? the whole medial slaughtered him, and i’ sure some of the England players were in that camp too.
but he came back to SAF, the United family who supported him, he then humbled himself, and worked bloody hard on his game, to become one of the best players in the world. helping United win the treble and countless trophies.
i think SAF and the coaching staff will put the protective arm around him, and fans need to support him when he does play next. because we have another world class player i him. also, he does and will learn from this and you’ll see that maturity/development in his mental side of the game very quickly. look at Rooney, and how he’s developed!!!!
also for me Nani was the clear Man-of-the-Match. the light has finally come on and you’ll see his game go from strength to strength. we done lad.
when Anderson and Hargreaves come back with the addition of Tom Cleverely and a few new boys. this team will show a steely determination to get back to the top and stay there.
Carrick has been a great player for us, but he’s came to a full stop now in his career with United. Yes , Rafa was stupid for fouling that Scarfaced cunt, but 2 fouls and two Yellows mean you’re off, fucking disgraceful. Gibbo and Nani played out of their skin tonight, even though they’ve been written off by fans. All in all, i’m proud of the lads for giving everything tonight, they really couldn’t have done much more, keep the Red flag flying high.
rafael took so long getn off the pitch as he had to find what pocket he left ribery in and fish the ugly cunt out before he could leave. awful second yellow decision – shlda have been a ‘calm down son…final warning’. but the ref was weak, and woeful.
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Rafael always picks up stupid yellows and was an easy target to get sent off which is blatantly what the Bayern players were set out to do. On Spanish tv the commentators said that in the second half Ribbery would get Rafael sent off and if he couldnt do it they would switch wingers and Robben would do it. They were so right.
I don’t condone gamesmanship or cheating but sometimes I just wish our players would actually make a bit more of it when blatantly hacked!!! Bayern were kicking lumps out of us and the ref did nothing.
Rooney was kicked by two diff players on the ankle. and just soldiered on!!! He should have been replaced as soon as he started limping.
Van Bommel escaped a second yellow and sending off in the first half!!
Valencia was taken out by that Bayern left back in the second half and I think it should have been a straight red.
Giving away that goal when we were 3-0 up just before half time was sickening and so soft!!
How many times have we been beaten on away goals now in the champs league!!! Grrrrrrr
redscot –
i am a united fan but i just hate when fans try and scapegoat our players constantly.. those fans are mostly responsible for nani not reachin his potential sooner.. oh but now hes playing well lets all sing his praises. I SUPPORT united and all the players regardless. ppl make mistakes.. u live,u learn, and u move on..
LETS GO GRAB THAT FUCKIN TITLE OFF THOSE CHAVS!!.. rafael to score the title winning goal!!
Goodnight.
Keep the red flag flying high!
How many reds have we had in the past couple of seasons?? I’ve lost count but when did we become a dirty/cynical side?? I can’t remember the last time one of our lads tried to break someone’s leg..
willierednut – didnt carrick watch how xavi does it in midfield last night, carrick I have never seen delay does he have 3 or 4 VOICES IN HIS FUCKING HEAD. I bet he did this has a kid where he jerked of to some porn videos but when his mother came in he delayed turning the damn vid off. he is 30 in age but his decisons ARE LIKE SOME 70 YEAR OLD FART
Regarding Rafael. I don’t wanna sound like a broken record but I’ve said this time and time again. He really needs to stop tugging on players who outrun him. That is his one weakness that almost costs him a booking. Every. Fucking. Time.
@Brooka
Answer me this question honestly….have you ever seen Carrick sprint? What kind of a professional football in this day and age can’t run? He’s a burden on our side.
He’s a crab, he only passes side ways for fuck sake. Everyone on this blog can go out there and do what he does. He is truly a pathetic excuse for a professional footballer.
He is constantly getting caught in possession. He wants so much time on the ball. He has the speed of thought of a goat.
willierednut – I MUST HAVE BEEN THE FIST UNITED FAN ON THIS LOG WHO BROUGHT UP THE POINT, THAT RAFEAL MADE TWO FOULS AND HE WAS BOOKED TWICE. AND VAN BOMMEL FOULED RAFEAL AND WAS THE RIBERY FOUL EVEN A YELLOW CARD/ THESE OFFICALS ARE LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE WAGON TO LONG
the way rafeal is going he will match vinnie jones booking record
Nani was brilliant tonight, he was our talismanic man today.
So with the explosive form of Rooney this season, we only managed to get a mickey mouse cup?
I hope the other lads will step up soon, as we still can get the league title. Carrick in my i my opinion has been more of a liability this season. Most of his mistakes lead to goals against us. Just the top of my head are Torres’s goal, and Olic’s goal. WTF man!
SELL CARRICK BUY SOMEONE BETTER!
seriously….
If he can’t step up, the exit door is wide open, just don’t hit yourself on your way out.
The team has just played a blinder but all I see is finger pointing. Come on I’m Gutted but look on the bright side You could be Scouse. Rafeal played Ribery very well so did Neville in the first leg. Nani has just played the best I have ever seen him play in a Utd shirt. As a team preformance goes that was fantastic just a lapse in concentration at the end of the first half and a young boy who played like a man made a mistake.
NEVER DIE!
Gary – I bet when carrick orders his food he will delay has much as 30 minutes, dont let carrick play chess with you he will take an our to make his first move
Jam1991
Oh please you are talking about a guy(scott the red) who has been defending berbatov, defending nani, even foster.. you name it.. so please go visit another blog
I agree with all of Scott’s points, though he is a little harsh on Rafael. His assessment of the Carrick situation is spot on.
welbz19
No one is talking about what carrick has done/achieved in the past.. but for the last 1,5 – 2 years I think he has been totally below par and its not like he is a legend that should finish his career here.. even SAF said this last autumn:
We think he is generally slow to start the season for us.
‘It has been that way since he came to the club.
‘It is normally around October when he starts to get into his stride and we are seeing that again.’
Well this year he has been “slow” all season and it is time we let him go
james21 – we were but the little things have fucked us big time. STILL THIS GAME WAS LIKE DI VINCI CODE I WAS COMPLETLY LOST HOW THIS HAPPENED. I DONT THINK SHERLOCK HOLMES COULD SOLVE THE MYSTERY HOW WE WENT OUT TONIGHT
Even though we had 10 men for most of the second half, it still took a cracking strike from baldy bollox to win it cunts.
You live and you learn.
Utd’s midfield was very weak. Carrick gets destroyed every time he’s up against top European competition.
it hurts fucking lot when i watch olic’s goal. what the heck was wrong with carrick ?
SELL CARRICK BUY VAN DER VART
@Rooney the new king
I can see it now. Even then still Carrick would probably hesitate before moving his first pawn by putting his hand on it then thinking twice before suddenly realising the other player has fucked off home or died of old age.
That useless twat is so slow he’d come third in a two man race.
Also, how costly was Bayern’s second goal in the first leg, in added on time.
sprite
i wasnt defending carrick on his performance tonight! but if u read Gary’s comments supposedly he has never been a good player for us which any real fan knows!
Gary if anybody can do what carrick does tell me why u are sat behind a computer screen talking about football rather than involved! idiotic comments from u tonight
RTNK – when playing chess, Carrick probably dithers for half an hour then meekly asks your permission to make his move.
Heard from a reliable source the reason he didn’t play against Chelsea is that he came to Fergie five minutes before kick-off, trembling, and mumbled “me arse has gone, gaffer.”
I feel as sick as the rest of you but we can’t linger on this defeat. There is still the league to play for this season.
We may have gone out BUT WE WILL NEVER DIE!
Gary – CARRICK is still a good player and had a good first half, 3 hours later he still has not made his first move. you can imagine he is on the phone wanting to order indian food um what drink do you want um um um carrick says can I have a coke no I changed my mind I want a botle of wine, no thats to expensive I will have a sprite no I forgot I am elergic to lemon, the indian says ITS NOT REAL FUCKING LEMON, he asks for chicken curry but he changes his mind because he is elergic to chicken LOL
RTNK
I Share the pain. The silly mistakes will have to stop though so we can win the league.
Looking forward to Blackburn now.
@welbz19
So tell me what abilities does Michael Carrick posses? It’s like he has a ton of bricks on his back? He can’t run for fuck sake! Even you can’t deny that.
Welbz19
alright.. but I still think you were a little too kind when you said : “before the last couple of months he’s been an outstanding player for the club “
Fred – LOL I bet on saterday he is about to get in the lineup fergie says dont you know micheal you are not in the starting 11, carrick says I thought you called out my name fergie says I told you yesterday you would not start, carrick says I must have missed that because I am sure you said I would start. fergie says man you are slow.
I bet he is playing with rooney in fifa he is about to pass but he delays rooney beats carrick 11 0 on fifa. if it was pro evo the score would have been 20 0 to rooney. rooney says to carrick man dont you make up your mind it took us an hour for you to order our indian because you delayed what you want
Brilliant strike from Robben to be fair, the twunt had been completely useless up until that point. Damn shame is apart from that they didn’t really trouble our goal, even with the man advantage.
Imagine if Carrick had steamed in and leathered that ball into the goal instead of sidefooting it over the bar at 3-1. Better yet, imagine if Rafael hadn’t committed those stupid fouls. Or even if Rooney had buried that chance to make it 2-0 in Munich.
I hope Barca win it, could you imagine if Inter, or Bayern won the champions league.
Larry White’s Bordeaux went out too, coincidence ? hahaha. Larry White for assistant pos next season.
I hope Barca destroy Inter and Lyon do what we couldn’t do to Bayern.
Actually, it would be worth having Bayern in the final just to see them get mauled to shreds by Barca – but knowing these jammy cunts, they’d probably fluke a win in Madrid.
willierednut – I am supporting barca for the remainder of the season. I want them to get past inter and I hope they cream bayern because they are a complete joke tonight, how they got through not even sherlock holmes will answer
United can beat any team in the world, but this season all too often we have had to beat teams of 12 and sometimes 14 – yes corrupt refs and linos have cost us every important match we have lost. The FA and UEFA don’t want Utd to win, thats the long and short of it.
Gary – The most frustrating thing is, he has keano’s old shirt number. Gibbo put him to shame and some fans were worried about his inclusion.
Rafael was brilliant before the sending off. He has shown he has the quality. He has done well against players like Ronaldinho and Ribery in the CL and only 20 years of age. His biggest flaw is in his head, those dumb unnecessary decisions that get him booked.
We made Bayern look like Portsmouth in the first half. It looked like we had more players on the pitch. The sending off was soft but Rafael did get himself a stupid yellow card early on and when you have a yellow on your back you don’t go and pull a player’s shirt when he’s on the counter attack. If the ref was going to lay down his line with that call I think Bommel should been off as well in the game.
But all in all, poor result. We are so much better than this Bayern side and we showed that tonight when we were 11 vs 11. I do worry about Carrick’s performances. I also worry about our experienced players, Giggs, Neville and Scholes.
I think this is Barca’s cup to lose right now.
oh yes I so want BARCA TO RAPE THE FASCEST, there should not even be a title race in the glorified scottish league because the fascest are an even BIGGER JOKE. THE FASCEST ARE THE HISTORIC VERSION OF THE WASTELANDS
I just got a text from my mate
“300,000 People around the world will throw away their Man U jersey and replace it with a Barcelona one tonight.”
can you imagine if carrick was in the movie armageddon and he was bruce willis, I bet carrick would knowing how he makes decisions the world would be destroyed
Young Rafeal will learn but there’s no doubt that the second yellow was harsh. Once again a refs decsion has turned out to be more important than any single thing done by the players. Sad day but with the exception of those few mintes between our third and their first … I just couldn’t get myself to believe it was going to be our year.
Gary at the minute not much! but to say he’s a useless twat is not true! his first three seasons his positional play, passing, reading of the game were all excellent and he has poped up with a few important goals for us as well! I do think that it may be time to have a look at bringing in someone else as I do with a good few of the squad, Giggs, Neville, Scholes, Berbatov maybe even Anderson but i do not feel its right to just rubbish his whole contribution to the club as u have! if u were talking only about the last few games maybe even season then fair enough but u wasn’t and that’s why I commented
Tbh, I would completely agree with the anti-Carrick statements. He’s been off the boil for a while now (probably since missing that pen at Burnley) and just doesn’t seem to WANT it as much as a true United player should. Too many times he gives possession away, lingers on the ball, makes the wrong decisions and doesn’t stand up to challenges a fucking umpa lumpa could withstand.
That said, am I the only person who thinks while Rafa’s challenge was uncalled for and that it wasn’t really deserving of a second yellow? The ref could of been a bit more lenient and just gave him a ‘last chance’. 9 Bayern players rounding the ref and calling for his sending off didn’t really help his cause. As for the actual challenge, rush of blood to the head I suppose, lack of experience. Same for his first yellow, but he was clearly fowled and I’d probably wanna hack the cunt that had just tripped me down in a prime position too.
As for the nail in the coffin (Twatty fucking Robben’s goal), who the fuck was picking him up?? I’m always amazed when we play that ball out to Scholes from the corner and no fucker from the opposition closes him down or marks him and he twats it. That’s what he does and that’s exactly what Robben did. Arguably their best player and no one is on the cunt. In fact, I think it was Carrick who ‘tried’ to close him down, but I think the majority are in agreement that he’s just not cutting it (basically, the less said, the better.
Fucking gutted, especially after such a bright start. There’s always next year, but that comes as little consolation right about now.
Californian devil … so that will only leave 332,700,000 United fans around the world!
I STILL CANNOT GET THROUGH MY THICK SKULL HOW UNITED ARE OUT, LIKE I WILL KEEP SAYING WE WERE 3 FUCKING 0 UP
@RTNK
The biggest irony for the Fascists is that all three teams that came in contact with them moved on to the semis (Lyon – Benzema, Inter – Sneijder, Bayern – Robben) while they still can’t get out of the first knockout round for the sixth consecutive year…
Hello All,
While on my journey back home I heard quite a few United fans on Talk Shite. The radio presenters were not helping by stirring up United fans or by wallowing in the satisfaction of a United defeat. Contrary to some of the crap being spouted by Talk Shite and I am sad to say some United fans this is not the end for United or SAF. Rather than join in with the mass hysteria of a United exit out of the Champions League by a media obssesed with United in my opinion their were a few things that went right and a few things that went wrong.
SAF playing that starting XI including Rooney was a masterstroke and after 41 mins being 3-0 up I think Rooney should have been taken off. He already had a few near misses with the Bayern players going for his right leg, knee, ankle. Rooney on for Macheda would have been a good move. The fact SAF kept him on for so long would indicate to me he has little faith in Berbatov…?
Carrick with some sloppy play allowed Bayern to get a goal back before half time.
There was a little naivity and inexperience from Rafael. He is only a young lad and he looks like he will be a brilliant player but that was petulance for the first yellow card and did he really need to make that tackle to bring Ribery down? Perhaps not. We can’t blame it on the Germans, etc, because he should not have got himself in to that situation in the first place.
The 2nd half SAF got it tactically wrong. I may come under some criticism here but I have always felt he is lacking at the very top level which is where Carlos Quieroz came in to play. When Rafael was sent off we should have gone in to a 4-4-1 formation but instead we took Rooney off and put O’Shea on leaving us with a kind of 4-5-0 formation. United say far too deep and invited the pressure on. I would have expected United to continue playing as they did the first half passing the ball around and making chances but they just sat back and conceded a goal from Robben which was a combination of sloppy defending and a good strike on goal.
Berbatov came on the pitch and I am sorry but he does not fit in to 4-5-1 or 4-3-3. I know this is a highly contencious issue but he is useless leading the line. And if he is not utilised in his natural position then what is the use of him being at United?
Anyhow so what is the problem and what are we missing?
I don’t buy that SAF is doning a Maggie Thatcher stayign in power too long and how it is over for United, blah, blah, bloody blah. Time and time again SAF has built, and rebuilt, team after team and now is no different. We can not be succesful every season. Every team goes through peaks and troughs. We seem to be going through a trough at the moment as evidence would suggest. Champions League Winners 2008, Champions League Runners Up 2009, Champions League Quarter Finalists 2010. I don’t believe we need to make wholesale changes.
We require a few things at United now. We need a creative midfielder. Today we needed to hold the ball in midfield when the pressure was on and it didn’t seem to happen.
The wingers in the front 3 being able to shoot and score taking the pressure off Rooney. I remember when Tevez, Rooney, Ronnie all used to interchange at the front confusing the fcuk out of the opposition. They could all shoot and score and create goals for one another. Barcelona fill in well if anyone out of their front 3 is missing. United should be able to do so too.
SAF needs to get a proper Number 2 who is tactically sound like Carlos Quieroz.
What made this a bitter pill to swallow was that we went 3-0 up and the tie should have been done and dusted. I never actually thought we would be in that position. I was amazed at the scoreline. I was in dreamland. But I am proud of the players for that first half performance. That coupled with the recent success in the Champions League made it all the more dissappointing.
The world isn’t over and it isn’t as bad at United as the media would like to make out. We lost 4 goals to Bayern over 2 legs. 1 from a deflection. 2 from sloppy defending. 1 from a combination of sloppy defending and a good strike on goal. We were unlucky. I couldn’t care less what the ABU Media say there isn’t much wrong at United. If United played like that in the first half all the time we would give Barcelona a run for their money I tell yah.
WE’LL NEVER DIE.
Fred @ 0:02: “Brilliant strike from Robben to be fair, the twunt had been completely useless up until that point.”
Yep; his goal was fantastic BUT he was a constant danger since our defenders too often let him move the ball back onto his left side rather than herding him and forcing him to use his right foot – and he clearly can’t or won’t do that. I thought that Robben was dangerous all the time – he’s the one player for Bayern who has “that extra bit of class” that separates a good player from a great player. Unfortunately, he showed that class for one brief moment and that was enough to turn a possible defeat into a victory for his team. It’s bitter ash to have to taste but it’s still better than those two horrible goals that Olic was able to score.
Olic’s contributions were absolutely pivotal – and their timing was crucial for his team. Such is life. Bayern didn’t come to play like patsies; they stuck to their game plan and, somehow, it worked for them = a deflected free kick, a pure fluke at the very dying moments of the game in Munich, a piece of individual strength/determination at the end of the first half tonight, and then the capper, Robben’sRocket. Shit really happens !
Last minute defeat in Munich, Rooneys injury, Chelsea cheating and stealing our spot in the table, getting knocked out of the CL. Worst. Week. Ever.
People need to shut the fuck up about Gibson, to be honest. The number of people who say he can shoot and do nothing else is staggering. Do you watch the game? How many balls did he win in midfield? How many times did he give the ball away? How many times did he burst into the box to supplement the attack, get out wide to draw players and provide support for Valencia?
Our best player tonight along with Nani
welbz19 – He has been a great player for United mate, but every player has a life span and for me Carricks times up. If Barca are the team we’re looking to over – take in Europe, we have to have a midfield that can match Barca’s midfield.
@ jam 1991, sorry that was a bit below the belt calling you a none United fan just I am through and through, I am a lot pist mate so sorry if this post beomes insane.
I thought our lads served us up a delight of CL football was in almost orgasmic state till Olic goal he stole our entry to SEMI I just dont set oooot on a mission to blame players as individuals you win or loose together. first half I saw witnessed a new Star and I mean that was chuffed as fuck for the boy.
( I am 18) I just thought good on you my heart just about went through my mouth at his second, went in. Acknowlege Darron, goal was a cracker but for me outstand Wingers in Nani and Antonio run the show menacing there defence, with our the potent talisman to watch, we had them in our pocket.
I felt the refereee Italian I believe, let to many tackles and niggly incidents go unpunished apart from ours. We had a lot of acting out there mate, not on our side i would quickly add.
At the start of the Second half like most lads I was as high as a kite apart from the Goal for the disease, but i just felt we are going to Madrid.
Youth is a bitch and you have to train it, I think this boy is gonna be the best right back in WORLD.
Although Rubbery seriously got him sent off and all the poncing Dames that are Munchen. The rest is history, but any player coming on or off canna take the can for tonight. And that Includes Dimatar ffs he was on for 17 meenits.
We would have won that game full stop with any eleven against of ours facing that Munich team, its just the way it pans out. Just A step too far. But all great in growth for our players.
Hope you get Too Ewood park ( shit ole) all can be recified as in for our MAIN campaign.
Believe lets do this On ON ON
One word – gutted truly am. Good to see stewards throw the bayern fans out the home end when the second goal went it for them. The fans were supposed to be the 12th man, alas due to the sending off we tried to be number 11 but it wasn’t enough. 11 vs 11 bayern would be out and I’ll be celebrating, referee was shocking but so was Carrick. This is his first bad season in a red shirt lets hope its last (bad season not last season in a red shirt)
willierednut – we have never had a great midfield and look at the trophys we have won since 2006
To be fair, until baldy bollox scored i didn’t know he was on the pitch.
The thing about Rafael is he’s one of he most exceptional tacklers i’ve ever seen, certainly for one so young. And yet he picks up so many cards from stupid shit like shirt pulling and shoving.
and who wouldnt want the midfield barca have, and the amazing thing with barca midfield how much did it cost they alla came through their youth system
Alpha – Heard that mate, calling for saf to go, there not proper United fans, plastic cunts.
Too much of a gulf in our play between having 11 and 10 on the pitch. Once we lost Rafael possesion of the ball became so much more important and we just sat back and left Nani toiling up front. Just play short passes and keep the thing for Chrissake!! Also, Fergies been leading up to this strikerless formation for sometime now and tonight was its premiere.
I know we’re not barca but them losing a man in our position wouldn’t have made a shred of difference. Pass, pass, pass.
willierednut – WHAT ARE YOU SERIOUS WHO ARE CUNTS CALLIG FOR FERGIE TO GO
yes I’m not as great as fergson but I think when u score 3 goals agnist any club u should defend, I mean all the players should go back when the ball with bayren players.
the first half we could score more than 4 goals. we lost a player, we were 10 players. I didn’t see what rafa did for that, did he deserve the second yellow card or not.
On the upside, Bayern have saved us another arse-kicking from Barca in the final.
Seriously though, fair play to Gibson. I’ve never been a fan of him but he proved me wrong tonight. Great showing from the youngster.
@willierednut agree with u on that one mate! the carrick one!
RTNK – So called United fans on talkshit saying saf should go.
Right then
Raph clean through – could have passed to Rooney – chance
Nani clean through – should have scored
Nani’s dipping shot
Gibson’s side foot – should have blasted it
Carrick with the goal to his mercy
At least five brilliant chances – and yet their first goal and Raph’s sending off – no way was that a sending off – changed the game – oh yes if only someone was standing on the line – maybe that couldn’t happen because of the one man day – Raph’s position – bloody karma – fucking bollocks
No luck for a whole week – their last minute goal/Wayne gets injured – Chelsea beat us to death apparently but won on an illegal offside goal – And today the sending off – no sending off at all – even the first yellow card was harsh – Raph should have had a free kick because he was taken down
Still am proud – the shirt is a symbol of defiance – we defy those that do not believe
BTW that Ivica Olic, another talentless annoying bastard nuisance striker like Tevez and Kuyt.
I had that weasel in my Euro 2008 Dream Team – he was fucking useless and got me zero points. Typical that the little prick would score against us though.
willierednut – the only thing apart from tonight that frys my brain is fans calling for fergies head. THESE IDIOTS SHOULD GET A LIFE WE HAVE WON 3 TITLES IN A ROW GOT TO 2 CL FINALS WON ONE OF THEM, WON 2 CARLING CUPS AND A PHEW COMMUNITY SHIELDS ALL IN A SPACE OF 2006 SUCK ON THAT SPOILT TWATS
AlphaRS – how can you say Fergie lacks tactical nouse at the top level? He won trophies before Carlos Queiroz and after Carlos Queiroz. I thnk he was trying a 4 4 1 formation with Nani up front, but yeh he should have brought on Berba or Macheda sooner. Rooney shouldn’t have started the 2nd half.
I was looking forward to seeing Ribery sent off, cos Rafael was really getting to him. Lashing out with elbows, scowling, trying to get the fuck away from his shadow by coming inside. First Ronaldinho and now Ribery outplayed.
Scott, you’re right – he owes us one for sure and he’s got lots to learn. His education is proving costly but I think of it like this; he’s got less to learn than most players his age who haven’t had as much 1st team experience as him. I really rate de laet (for example) but I’m sure he’ll have bad habits that need ironing out when he gets as many opportunities for 1st team action as young Rafa.
I’d much rather have Rafael, Neville, Brown and Oshea than pay umpteen million for Ribery.
the last 10 days for united has been like I was tied 2 a chair and forced to watch twilight and read the books it is soul destroying I would not know what is worse
Rafa’s just a kid, whats Carrick excuse.
It’s easy to focus on the negatives, really easy, but let’s be realistic here. We took on Bayern Munich, in a high stakes game, for half the game with ten men, and won 3-2. And the performance was a good one in every respect, Bayern played really well, as well as really hard and dirty to boot, and we had them. We lost the tie overall because of the shitter we had in Munich. I think the boys did okay tonight and, barring Rafael, I think nothing more could have been asked of any of them. And Rafael was having an absolutely great game til he was sent off. Frankly he was better in one half than Neville was against Chelsea in two. He just needs to learn from his mistake.
If United played like this every week I’d be a happy man.
As for singling out Carrick, no. We beat Bayern Munich, we beat them with ten men, we played them off the park with eleven, every single one of those lads was a credit to the shirt tonight (except Rafael for like a moment of sheer madness, but only for that moment). Don’t turn this into a witch hunt. We didn’t go through because we were crap in Germany. That’s why.
fuck all you fucking fergie bashers. where the fuck would we be without him??? everyone said we’d be shit without ronaldo and tevez. that valencia was a joke, that we’d be knocked out of the CL in the group stages and be waaay behind in the title race. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK GOT US THIS FAR???? i’m fuckin’ gutted, but united played some great fucking football. fergie put his faith in the youngsters, and gibson and nani were fucking amazing. rafael had been playing well till his fucking sending off. as soon as he got the yellow, i swear i saw it coming. i’m still proud of our team. they’re still in transition, on top of that have had to deal with horrible fucking injuries. it happens, we can’t win everything.
sorry, don’t know if anyone actually bashed fergie or ppl from the team on here, but as soon as i logged on to bloody facebook that’s all i saw. comments about fergie’s ineptitude????? i’m gutted…fucking gutted, but still proud of what this team achieved.
and all of you know very well, that had we not lost our lead in the league, none of you would be as depressed about us getting knocked out of the champions league. can’t believe one little fucking offside goal could be the reason we didn’t win the league….
jellybean – WE WERE FUCKING AWESOME AND SHERLOCK HOLMES COULD NOT SOLVE THIS MYSTERY HOW BAYERN GOT THROUGH
@RTNK
Probably this, I have no affection for vampires and could easily fall asleep tied to that chair…..
Gutted and sick to fucking death of hearing about Barca on a UNITED site.
Nani is becoming some player.
Ribery is a nasty horrible little cunt.
Time to move on. Its the manner of the defeat that is hard to take. We should NEVER have gone out at 3-0 up. The Olic goal gave them the belief. Really am gutted.
Harsh argument on rafael, he is doing his best in keeping ribery but luck wasn’t on his side.a 19 years old doing his best against a world class player that been tracked by the biggest clubs in the world. how much is rafael compare to 40m++ player? maybe 8 times if rafael is 5m value. neville should give himself a slap in the face for he is the one whose giving away a freekick for ribery goal on the first leg. we should encourage young players not to blame them. if we keep & develop the young players in the 5 or 10 years they will be a world class player where the other clubs will get old n rot in the future just like carrick is rotting away
@shebangsthedrums
When I say at the very top level I mean in European football. Clearly the tactics were wrong in the Champions League Final 2009. My main point was that today we were 3-1 up and SAF decided to try and hold on to that score for 30 mins. Why go defensive? Why not continue playing the way we were in the first half? In the second half we invited pressure on and when the goal came because we had nobody upfront we couldn’t do anythign about it. He also took Rooney off for O’Shea. Why not Macheda? I remember that Carlos Quieroz had to stop SAF from putting O’Shea on in the Champions League Final 2008 as we were nearing the end of extra time. Anderson was put on instead. I think we have had better results against the top 4 with Carlos Quieroz as number 2 than without him. I don’t have the stats to back that up though.
Great comments Doghouse. That’s exactly how I feel. I’m not going to let the pain of us getting knocked out after being 3-0 up tonight turn me against any of our players or Fergie.
Just wish I could get myself to believe that we can get consoluation by winning our 19th title. Maybe tomorrow!
Yeah, Edward Cullen is a twat, fucking lost boys far better.
@King Eric
Nani was the best United player today by a country mile.
Where are all the Obertan lovers gone?!
You have to admit at the moment Barcelona are the benchmark.
King Eric – CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW IN THE FUCK UNITED WENT OUT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPLANATION WHAT EVENTS WENT ON TONIGHT BECAUSE I CANNOT GET INTO MY THICK ORTISTIC SKULL WHAT WENT ON TONIGHT
Well said Doghouse.
It has ABSOLUTELY NOWT to do with Queiroz. When are people gonna stop bringing this up after a bad result? How the hell did Fergie win all he did with Aberdeen and United having only had Carlos for 3 or 4 years out of almost 40? It is a myth that we need him.
King Eric …. share your view re Ribery. Won’t want to see either him or Robben in a United shirt.
Just gutted right now.
WE WERE 3 FUCKING 0 UP IT DOES NOT ADD UP DESPITE OUR PROBLEMS HOW WE WERE KNOCKED OUT BY THIS AVERAGE LOT, DID LITERLY THE HAND OF GOD GET HIS BOOTS ON AND LITERLY GET BAYERN OVER THE FINISHING LINE
@willierednut
I know mate. It’s just a reaction to the dissappointment. There isn’t much wrong at United. We are very close. We were just unlucky today. The media are loving it. But let them.
I really hate Ribery’s fucking mangled face.
AlphaRS – Hello mate. Yeah of course they are a great team but I really don’t want them ramming down my throat. People saying they are gonna “support “them now in the remainder of the competition. I have NO interest at all now in it.
did anyone hear alan green say united should have got ribery and rpbben IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE GLAZERS, did HE SEE NANI AND VALENCIA RIP BAYERN TO SHREDS VALENCIA WAS SO POWERFUL TONIGHT HE HAD BAYERN PLAYERS ON HIS ASS TONIGHT
STILL I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND HOW THJE FUCK WE WENT OUT TONIGHT THIS WILL REMAIN IN THE CASE OF UNSOLVED MYSTERYS
just home and hard to take…..i havnt shed a tear since the bayer game, and i didnt tonight, but my god i was close to, even more than rome….2 weeks ago we looked great, now we look like twats, but AS always ill love this club no matter fucking comes and goes our way……one love
I’ve said it before on this site, Micahael Carrick is and has never been good enough to play for Manchester United. I was slated for saying that but it’s time everyone realised this. He has conned everyone for three years now. I would ask anybody who disagrees with me to name one game that he left his mark on with an outstanding performance since signing for us?
Yeah, Nani was flipping brillant, but i don’t think putting him up front was a good move.
Edwins right glove – WE need a elephant man type mob with pitch folks and burning sticks to GO AFTER RIBERY, why dont he wear a mask he is possibly the uggliest player ever, frank ribery makes carlos tevez has hansome has brad pitt and thats a FEET IN ITSELF EVEN MORE THAN THE PICK POCKET OF TONIGHT
guys
third attempt a a whinge (system keeps crashing)
major surgery is required- 5 or 8 players required (for various reasons
keeper (vds getting on)
RB (n natural replacement for neville – dont even mention rafael) – a suppossed defender who can tackle & not talikng about tonight
defensive / holding midfielder (yet again let downby carrick – albe t not in his strongest position)
attacking midfielder – we have nothing
strikers – we need 2 players who can either play with rooney or replace him ((if required)
@King Eric
True I am not supporting Barcelona or any other team. If anythign I don’t want them to win it. I would rather Bayern Munich won it so we can at least say we lost to the Champions.
About Queiroz you have to admit that it was a strange decision to go defensive the 2nd half AND take Rooney off for O’Shea. That was a kind of 4-5-0 formation. Didn’t work as we had no outlet on the counter attack. Nani and Valencia tore Bayern to shreds today. We were just unlucky today.
Here’s a tricky one – Who are the luckiest team of the month, Chelsea or Bayern?
@irwinisalegend
But United have won the league ever since Carrick was signed from Tottenham.
He was the only real tranfer we made before we won the league in 2007.
rooney the new king – someone said on another thread, that our luck ran out. What luck? we’ve had none all season. Aswell as all the other attributes eg skill, fight, tatics etc you need the rub of the green sometimes to win matches, we’ve had none, Bayern Munich have had more than their fair share, they wouldn’t even have got through to the quarters had it not been for a huge slice of luck, hope it runs out for them before the final.
@ King Eric- Fuck this competition, fuck england as well. 5 league games left lets go out with a bang. We lost because of sloppy defending or switching off and a bit of petulance from Rafael and a referee who didn’t want to give us anything all night. Bayern took out Rooney it was clear as day and were nasty diving cunts and the ref let them get away with it. What does anyone expect from an Italian ref. Hope ur happy Platini you fucking fat cunt or should I say fat shitbag.
@ rtnk- how did bayern go through? ironically enough, i believe it was an offside fucking goal that put them in the quarters in the first place. 2ndly- Utd got fucking complacent again and started thinking about the game in the league instead of going for the kill against bayern in the first leg. i mean FOR FUCK’S SAKE. bayern are a good team not to be underestimated. they have the ability to keep the ball, they have pace, they have strength. of course they may be rough cunts, but United can bully with the best of them. but instead they compromised their own style and conceded 2 goals. 3rdly….i’m flummoxed by the 2nd leg really. their first goal was ridiculous on carrick’s part. i want rafael to learn and grow from this, but this is the 3rd time this season that he has done this. he’s going to be a brilliant little right back one day, but come on, he needs to learn to be careful, esp when he’s already on a yellow for doing something stupid in the first place.
i just hope barca don’t fucking win the CL back to back.
@RTNK –
Yup, kinda reminds me of the hunchback of Notre dam. Infact He’s french, so I’d go as far as saying he probably is, the cathedral dwelling mong. Would not want a cunt of that proportion playing in a United shirt. And as for that 25 year old granddad… don’t get me started….
Jesus, I’m trying to find some solace from somewhere…
It’s hard though….
NRD – We’re supposed to take it on the chin, because United get all the decisions don’t they?
@ irwinisalegend – about Carrick – hes been poor as for games where he hasn’t
Roma 7-1
City away last year
Wigan away last year
Champions League Final 2008
West Ham OT 08 4-1
City @ Home in Carling Cup – 10
Blackburn at home 07 4-1
they are the ones that spring to mind
@xol
Bayern because United were all over them.
Against Chelsea we were just shite.
It is NOT I repeat NOT the lack of quieroz we are where we are, we do need strengthening in summer but 2 players max and both in midfield. Good night lads and lasses.
Edwins right – he is a mix of the hunch back and has deformed has the hills have eyes, I uploaded two pics of ribery and tevez and it made tevez more handsome all the damn time when I compared the both.
shebangsthedrums – we have had no luck all season long tonight was a frustration of all the things that has went on piled up in 1 game tonight.
BUT PPL FORGET RAFEAL MADE 2 FOULS AND HE HAD 2 BOOKINGS AND WAS EITHER EVEN A BOOKING NOT A CHANCE IN HELL
DOES ANYONE ELSE AGREE THE LAST 10 DAYS HAVE BEEN SOUL DESTROYING
why the fuck are people saying they dont want barca to win it back to back??? have a bit of footballing knowledge and understand that they are a great side, with one majestic player, and for anyone that wouldnt want barca now to go on and win it is just a bitter person..
everyone’s harping on about quieroz as always. like he’s the magical solution to all our problems. what do you guys think fergie should’ve done once rafael got sent off? i knew he’d bring on o’shea. there’s no way we could’ve played without an RB against bayern, and putting fletch in the RB spot would have weakened out midfield. plus rooney was limping….so who would you bring on??
C’mon, you can’t completely blame it on Rafael, yes he was sent off, but before that he was bloody brilliant, Ribery looked like a schoolboy compared to this teenager. Experience is a huge hole in his game, but that will come, at this current moment, he is a rightback with huge potential, i hope the idea of being the one who sends your team out will help him grow more matured. And besides, the yellow cards were light as hell, first one, he got fouled first!, and the second one, he pulled away, but for that cunt Ribery to give ref yellow card gesture and the Nazi fuckers crowding the poor little ref. This defeat is horrible, I couldn’t fucking sleep, but the fact we went out with dignity, we showed class, and the team that progressed did not deserve it gives me a bit of encouragement to pass another bad day. Simple as that. I hope this will spur United on to win the remaining Premier League fixtures. Up United. We win together, we lose together! Let’s not blame anyone in particular, Scott.
time to stop thinking and drown my sorrows playing call of duty modern warfare 2.
i hope fergie pulled nani and valencia aside and told them what a great performance they put out there today.
I wonder who starts against blackburn now.
I had a tip off someone, carrick wanted woolworths store closed so he could choose what he wanted, carrick waited so long woolworths went bankrupt see its not only united who have suffered during to carricks delayed decision making
Just got home from OT, can’t be bothered to read all the comments so I realise I might be repeating what others have said (I hope I am):
Rafael was absolutely terrific before the sending off. Give him a break.
Ulster Red – I just don’t care who wins it now. Barcelona would no doubt be the most deserving team though.
rooney the new king – Dissappointing yes, not soul destroying for me. I think we’ve achieved more than anyone thought was possible at the beginning of the season. Even with Ronny and Tevez, i still think this season would have panned out very similar to what it has done. We’ve had no luck with injuries, Ronny and Tevez wouldn’t have helped when we had only 1 fit defender available. The amount of decisions that have gone against us this year has been ridiculous. You can’t win everything every year or it wouldn’t be worth winning.
RNNK … soul destroying’s right. 4-0 against Bolton, Rooney and others rested, Berba finding the net. We’re 1 up after two mins against Bayern then with 15 secs left …….. Hope it can end with 5 wins and that the chavs choke but I’m finding so hard to see it turning or way again this season.
congrats to lyon and is it only me or is it sounding like the special’s one year?
i predict inter v lyon final with inter 3-0.
rooney the new king
what a shit pathetic joke
ulster red- i’m not bitter at all. barca are a brilliant side, i actually watch all their games, so i have no qualms about admitting they’re a great footballing side. they have a brilliant youth academy, and like utd they give chances to their youth products. they may have made a few extravagant dips in the transfer market, but so have we. i like pep as a manager, and noone can deny their brilliance. the only reason i don’t want them to win back to back, is because we couldn’t, and it’s not bitterness. it just hurts that we couldn’t be the team to break the champions league curse….
For me, the important thing now is to fill Rooney full of painkillers and get him on the park for the rest of the season. Then the minute we lift number 19, send him off for an operation or whatever he needs. A nice summer off watching England flatter to deceive again, then he’ll be ready for the assault on number 20! United > England.
Dave Mack – I said the past 10 days meaning the last 3 games have been soul destroying, losing a 1 0 lead. and the nazi’s scoring a last minute winner, rooney gets injured during that crazy minute. we lose to chelsea and we lose our lead at the top of the table, and to top the horrible 10 days not only do we go 3 0 up but we still go out. now for me that is soul destroying especially that we were by far the best side.
jellybean
so basically your saying you would rather have bayern,lyon or inter to win it??….bollocks…i love football, and you just have to take your hat off to barca…
If I have to revisit the game, I don’t think Raphael deserved a red card for that. It warranted a warning nothing more than that. Now the Badstuber foul against Valencia.. only a yellow card? It was the intent that warrants the red card but oh well. Let’s move on
April 8, 2010 at 1:31
rooney the new king
i second that
jellybean – I agree they do their buisness just like united now all we need is for united to be owned like barca and we can call ourselves the english barca, and like the land of catalunia we can be the land of mancunia
A football match lastst for 90 minutes. And therefore we should try to play football for 90 minutes!!
But sadly we stopped playing football after 2-0. In Munich we stopped playing football after being 0-1 up. We should have just kept going – not sit back!! In the Champions League you just can’t sit back! If we would have kept control of the game – and we should have been capable of doing that – we would have gone through. But we didn’t, and therefore Bayern deserved to go through.
oh and listen guys i think its clear for all to see we are just being hit by bad luck :
rooney injury-offside goal-injury again
i mean lets be honest rooney was not moving well and from then on bayern gained belief.
what can you do? its a bit like dortmund when its not your time its not your time.
its like final destination all this we seem to be pursued by bad luck. unbeleivable.
whats worse getting kicked in the balls by a steel boot or the last 10 days, well I hope my quinton tarrentino collection comes tommorow to atleast cheer me half up this RESULT HAS REALLY BEEN EATING ME ALIVE
@ ulster red- i never said i want any of those teams to win it either. i personally have not watched lyon, so don’t really know how they play. i hate inter, they’re just an italian version of chelsea. as for bayern, i really do not think they deserve to win the champions league, as i think Utd proved that they are a better team. out of all the candidates, barca is definitely the most deserving…they thrashed bayern last yr too. but i can’t help the fact that it will hurt to see another team (however deserving) break a record that we were so close to breaking ourselves
Rafael was fooking class before he was sent packing for two definite yellows. Still, for a game like this, he was more than able, just needs to work out how to keep his head straight but needs our support.
Class act and we’ll be singing for him for years to come, hope this event doesn’t affect him too badly.
bloody hell its like united are being hit by karma. its funny in a way but it will hurt when we look back at how we squandered a chance to play a final in the bernabeu.
BUT HEY NEXT YEAR ITS AT WEMBLEY. REMEMBER 1968.
DARE I SAY ANOTHER MAN UTD – BENFICA FINAL
AH FUCK!!!!! hope i stagger past a fucking german car tonight.
Rafael was brilliant tonight – had Ribery in his pocket all night. Was harshly sent off but will be brillinat for us in the future as will his brother Fabio(when he is not fucking injured). 1st half broke away and should have either scored or passed to rooney to score. Tonight he had his best game for us tonight and along with Nani was our best player
Carrick on the other hand was pure shit all night. Defended Olic like a 8 months pregant woman. The chances he had and never got one on target, got caught in posession too often. He has been very poor since Rome last year. I would now class him as a average squad player.
Sir Alex a said there would not be any big buying in the summer – well from where I am sitting right now that sounds just bloody brilliant.
Scholes, Giggs & Nev all legends are fading, will still be bale to contribute but their impact is gonna be limited.
Berbatov – I have been wondering why he isn’t producing and i think it could be he might just care too much and he is so afraid of failing that he doesn’t perform. Again a £30 million squad player. Need a back up for Rooney & Macheda next year.
As for playing in europe when are our player going to learn how to cheat properly. Rooney for fuck sake, should have rolled about the floor screaming when Van Buyten kicked his ankles. got him a yellow
We are going to have to learn to flop to the ground feigning injury, scream roll about whenever we are fouled in europe especially when we are in front. When Rafael was pushed by Ribery he should have flopped to the ground clutching his face pretending to have been hit in the face by Ribery, May still have got the 2nd yellow but Ribery may have got a straight Red 10 each and we would still be in europe
RTNK …. I’m agreeing with you. What I was saying was everything was going so well through the Bolton game and the start we got in Germany ……and then …. soul destroying …. despite winning tonight and playing great for 42 mins ….. seems we just can’t get the result we need to lift my spirits.
Considering he has 5 goals this season in fuck all starts is it time to start giving Gibbo a run with Fletcher?
Looked a good lad tonight.
Fletch was back to his best .
I am gutted & going away for a while……till the Blackburn match!
Dave Mack – oh rite sorry about that misread whart you ment. I am destroyed still cant get over the fact we are out WE WERE 3 0 UP FOR CHRIST SAKE AT OT
AlphaRS – I think he had to bring O’Shea on as Rooney was struggling. Fletch had to drop back to right back at first and this would have left a huge gap in the middle. Like you said nowt to be worried about really. We were superb first half and in Nani and Valencia they are starters EVERY game for me. Gonna become cracking wingers. With Fletch, hopefully Hargo and Ando back but I would start giving Gibson a run. We have a very young team still really and can push on. I have defended Berbatov but you really have to question Fergie’s belief in him now as why would he play a clearly 30 per cent fit Rooney over Berba? Rooney was unable to run or get off the ground for half hour or so.
Notorious – Hello mate. Just watched game as I sky plused it like I said above we have reasons to be cheerful considering. Spot on pal, lets go and get that fucking 4th title. We are well capable. Hate to use the excuse the dippers and Chav’s use but we “can concentrate on title now” and hope the Rentboys slip up.
King Eric – aint it ironic the scousers may be the deciding factor in united overtaking liverpools 18, what were the odds of that happening in 1989/1990
Rooney22United – spot on post at 1.23
just watched rafael’s 2nd yellow again…and i really dont think that merited a booking. when i initially watched it live, i thought it was a rash challenge, but all he did was pull him a little. the bayern players were kicking rooney left and right and not getting booked! plus that fucking cunt ribery shoved rafael as well and should’ve gotten a yellow for that.
Ony cunt fer wan meenit askin for SAF to be geeing the bag needs thier heid looked, The loon as delivered for US mony great no Fuckin majik moments and big Pots get otta here ye shouldna be on a United blog the word is United.. I think yer mair likely oota A nut hoose. He is I tell you he is the bestest club manager in de World.
And yes I can type Gaelic/ French
All i will say just fucking believe this 19th is ours, and pure Scots with passion. and honesty.
or what were the odds of scousers helping united overtake the scousers record at the start of the season since most thought they would win it. you never know we can win this since everyone thinks arsenal can still win it
Anton – ha. Could not agree more. Expect outrage in the media tomorrow. Not just for “daring” to play Wayne but Fergie’s comments about “typical Germans”.
@ redscot- mate, i think you need to share whatever it is you’re having with me
Really hope the dippers lose against Benfica so that they can concentrate on trying to qualify for the CL. If they still have a shot at the moment they play the rentboys, they can beat Chelsea.
King Eric – really I am not ging to check the media outrage so can you fill me in what have they been saying
Some of the comments on here have cheered me right up.
“WE need a elephant man type mob with pitch folks and burning sticks to GO AFTER RIBERY”
“Yup, kinda reminds me of the hunchback of Notre dam. Infact He’s french, so I’d go as far as saying he probably is, the cathedral dwelling mong.”
Seriously though, it’s not looking too good for the league either. Chelsea have three home games against utter shite, so our only hope is for Spurs and/or Liverpool to beat them. Not fucking likely, I’m afraid.
@ jellybean that was me in Scots tongue, Doric and awhh that shite, I almost is at standstill, but breaking my heart about tonite and result, just fuckin awfull i felt for all the lads the support and like you and Lads /Lassies on blogs that i post on, but there is another Day….. is that not true,
Ps i saw lads having a POP get rid of the manager, I am Scots so not a great idea, tend to stick together, and fight our corner.
Ps i already drunk a bottle of water of life, pmsl
Jellybean, I thought the ref went for his card, then had second thoughts because it would be a bit harsh, but had his mind made up by the Bayern players. I’m sure that prick Van Bommel could have got his second yellow as well soon after (or maybe it was minutes before, I can’t remember.)
As for the Dippers going out tomorrow, I felt after watching last week’s game that Benfica would win at Anfield and I stand by that prediction.
Fred – haha cheers. I completly forgot the hunchback was french my soul has been destroyed over the past 10 days when we though it would be a great 10 days. the french guy from shittalk was unfortunetly right about the tie.
ribery will be saying if we go after him with pitch folks and burning sticks I AM NOT A MONSTER. tevez had an unfortunet burnt accident ribery was born to be ugly, put the kids to bed or they will get a experience of ribery fright we even had it
Agree with this post. I thought Rafael was amazing in the first half bar the Beckham-esque kick (which is only a yellow and the ref in 98 was a cunt giving him red) but in fairness to him, I think he was fouled, and he didnt get the whistle.
Another quite crucial thing, Van Bommel was on a yellow and made a cynical foul, which was not met with a yellow card. I sincerely think this ref should never officiate again.
Now, onto what was our fault. Fergie was mad to not sub Rooney as soon as he started to hobble, from that point on he was not doing anyone any favors by being on the pitch. Macheda up front would have been able to hold the line and fight for the headers (Berba is more of a 4 4 2 man).
He could have subbed Rafael or spoken to him, I do agree in the sense that I hope he remembers this and it has a lasting formative effect on him and he stop risking the whole team with such stupidity. But I am a massive fan of his and he is by far the best right back in the team, Ribery is supposed to be some major star, well Rafael had him in his pocket.
Fergie left putting out a striker there forever, as he tends to do with subs. I do not know why. And I do not know why he has not got an assistant who can improve our club. Still, Fergie did spring a surprise by overcoming sentiment and being pragmatic, selecting energy and talent over reputation.
I see someone here mentioned De Rossi, now that is a player I would love for us to sign. Has what our team needs the most, determination and inspiration. Him and Rodwell would do nicely.
Carrick: 80k a week, no effort, no thought, no desire, an absolute passenger and a liability. He needs to go, along with the other two sub keepers, Berba if he wont get games, maybe the oldest players too (to trim the wage bill and avoid sentimental selections – they can be hired as coaching staff like Ole, otherwise it will just stifle the young talent).
Nani tonight deserved a win. So did a lot of our players. VDS has really been brilliant for us and we need to add a keeper, after Fergies outburst against Germans, I doubt it will be the Schalke keeper:) but Lloris and Akinfeev are top top class.
lionel messi was the closest thing to special ribery was the closest thing to horror, christ the guy is more ugly I def think he is related to the hunchback, can anyone imagine if ribery actually had a hunchback he would be the new hunchback and we can stick him in the bell tower in paris
Off topic but how come whenever Sky Sports interviews United fans coming out of Old Trafford, they only ever show Irish daytrippers on SSN? Every single time! Pisstakers. And as for the BBC, they’re a bunch of ABU cunts. The headline tonight: “Bayern DUMP Man Utd out of Europe” Twats. Last season when the Dippers got knocked out by Chelsea (lost at home, drew away) the BBC headline was something like “Brave Liverpool suffer glorious Champions League exit” I kid you not!
I wasn’t impressed with Ribery at all in either leg. Madrid are welcome to the overrated cunt.
Fred – THAT was so typical of the media and they forget the nazi;s dumped us out christ I hate the germans more than ever, its bad enough they get up warly and steel the sun beds they stole that result tonight like how they steel the sun beds at 4 am
I never knew the media supported the nazis which shows how much they hate united
who the fuck cares aboot the dippers, just send them to misery. easy and and and and and Cos OF THERE desperation beat Chelsrent. Simples get the big PIcture
Cn anyone imagine what the media would be saying about United if tonights story was Bayern winning at home 3-2, but going out because Nani scored a wonder goal and Lahm had got sent off.
Something like.
Cheating United fluke win on a unlucky brilliant Bayern Team. Etc Etc.
So fucking down at the minute feeling like the frustration of the 70s and 80s again. will we win the last 5 games of the season? – Maybe (don’t think so)
Will Chelski drop any points – probably not I think we may be deluding yourselves if we think that Spurs will give them a hard game – they are like us from the start of the season all theoir defenders are injured. As for the scum I dont know.
RedHarry4Life – you never know anything is possible got to BELIEVE
Fred- The BBC are AU fuckers.
Keep the red flag flying high, ‘cos Man United will never die!
As our Scouse friends say, there’s always next year.
@theboogeyman “As our Scouse friends say, there’s always next year.”
That is the very definition of gallows humour. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Time to go to bed I think. Goodnight all!
Sorry guys, the only good thing about Gibson in the starting 11 is he can’t come on as a sub. I always know we’re in shit creek when that happens. Raphael was superb at times but well in need of a slap, not for the sending off but for the stupid, selfish shot when Rooney could have scored. That would have been game over.
Nana was magnificent.
“its bad enough they get up warly and steel the sun beds” Quality. That is not a myth either.
Lets be honest. Better than expected season. Still pissed we didn’t get to our 3rd consecutive final, but oh well.
Ando needs to either be allowed to be a creative attacking midfield or we need an AMC. Nani… finally will earn a consistent place. Obertan looked good from what we saw earlier. Valencia… pacey, hopefully he’ll add some more assets to his excellent physique. Raphael needs to be at the right and will have to be given time to grow. Don’t blame him for this exit. Its that kind of pressure that makes managers leery of putting young players out on the field. You need to support him and allow him to grow develop and mature. He’s got the potential to make the grade.
We need to sort out our center defense next season. We also need to figure out if other people can add goals.
Tonka I disagree, he actually should have scored that chance, if you look at it again he has got the whole far corner to put the ball into and given his ability, its not surprising he took it on, he just should have put it in the net. He can score from less inviting angles (as he did against Arsenal for instance). If he keeps playing, which I hope he will, then he will adapt and acquire the mental focus that he needs.
It also wouldnt be a bad idea to give Fabio some games now, maybe 2 of the home games, as Evra is in need of a rest. I think Evra has been our most consistent performer through out the season, but its harsh on him to play every single game and on Fabio too. It is only recently that Evra has shown signs of fatigue, but it needs to be addressed.
And I hope Macheda gets a proper run out til the end of the season, ideally Id like to see him and Rooney up front together next season in a 4 4 2 with no passengers in midfield.
Scott – You haven’t seen the replays of rafael’s foul have you?? While I agree he is young and its not an excuse to continue to commit repeated and silly fouls, this one was surely off the boil. He tugged Ribery’s hand just once, and tried to go over from the other side and Ribery the arse left the ball, went out of his way to block rafael, and then acted as if rafael had made him go off the ball. That wasn’t even a foul, forget it being a SECOND yellow. I do not blame the lad for this incident at all and the referee was just shite. Time and again we have been done in by the refs and this is yet another instance of it…
I had to say the first half was so awesome. Gibson prove to us he can play a part and he is still young. I believe he have a future. At least he shows desire to win every ball. Nani for me was the Man Of The Match. I said before that he had something that other players dont have, he can create something out of nothing. You always depend on this type of players to create. He had this thing just like C. Ronaldo had. I thought he play so well tonight that makes me compare him to Ronaldo. He almost score a hat trick!
Rafael done every well in the first half but he really let his team down. We had a great chance to go semi final and there is no danger in his 2 yellow card. So there is no need to commit any fouls. Other players will cover him. I have been a fans of Carrick. I thought he should have play against Chelsea last week but the first goal really kill us.
We had anxiety all over our face and mind. How can you fall down so easily when the opponent is so close to our goal? If it’s outside the box and there are other players to cover you then you can take a rest. But not now. I think he let us down. I believe Fergie will sell him this summer. We compliment and blame the player because we are not thinking will have the rights to win every trophy season after season. This is a good chance for us to go Final. I don’t believe we will be so lucky every season and there is no guarantee we will get to the Final next season. Time is running out for Fergie and the players. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Park, Scholes, Giggs, O’Shea, Neville, Hargreaves is getting older and they will get poor season after season.
When we are 10 men down and leading by one goal, i dont believe we can win this match. It proves wave after wave of attack, we are so vulnerable. I really hope we can have a good central midfielder to hold and spread the pass forward. Scholes is getting older and let’s buy Silva to cover for Giggs. Lastly one forward to help spread the burden of Rooney. 3 players to win more titles next season.
Win Lose or Tie UNITED till’ I Die
In spite of a very disappointing result, particularly in view of the way UTD were let down by the match officials last Saturday, I just hope that Fergie and his team have learned something from the last 3 games. At the moment the team needs some serious reinforcements and I hope to see them in the summer. I’m not going to dwell too much on the sort of players needed – that should wait until the season has ended and UTD have wrapped up the EPL title.
At the beginning of the season, after the sale of Ronaldo and with no new players signed to cover the all too apparent short-comings of the team, I didn’t expect them to get too far in the CL, so I’m not greatly upset about last night;s performance. However I said back in August that I thought UTD would win the EPL title and I still stand by that, in spite of Chelsea picking up 3 totally undeserved points last weekend. If UTD play like they did in the first half last night then I can see them winning all 5 remaining games and leaving Chelsea behind.
Just one comment on last night’s MoM. In the last 3 months Nani has proved to be the best winger in the League. Next season I can see him playing along side Rooney in the middle with Fergie buying de Maria for the left wing spot. But transfer speculation can wait until the summer.
the goal conceeded to olic was shocking defending and goalkeeping – no right to win games when u conceed as cheaply as that……….im actually not overly disappointed because barca would absolutely have trounced us in the final ………… much much better team at keeping the ball ………
Wait a minute. This is the same Scott that goes off on a rant everytime Berbatov gets criticized, and claims that “real fans” get behind their players? Yet you want the effects of this match to stay with a precociously talented 19 year old right back? How the fuck is this any different from criticizing Berba? Berbatov has deserved much of the criticism he has gotten, and Rafael deserves to be criticized for his idiotic foul that led to the first yellow, but to want it to stay with him forever? What is wrong with you? This is exactly the reason I hardly read your blog posts anymore.
Absolutely gutted…couldnt sleep at all…fucking feels like the wind gone outta me…but I’lll tell you what:
I feel SO proud to be a United fan today. Playing with ten men for 40 minutes against, let’s admit it, a very, very classy Bayern side and still conceding just one goal from a brilliant individual effort is nothing to be ashamed of. This is what distinguishes us from others. Nine out of ten clubs would have rolled over against that sort of pressure. But we hung on. I can do with trophyless seasons, if only we fight like this in each and every match.
My heart goes out for Rafa…I am a big fan of the twins, and frankly I think the gaffer should have taken him off at halftime. It was so obvious that they were going to target him for the red.
All said and done, WE WILL NEVER DIE!
I am with Scott with the criticism of Rafael, if you think you are too young for criticism, you are too young for the game and should not be playing. What we want is players who will accept the criticisms and rise above it, Beckham’s done it, Ronaldo’s done it, now it is Rafael’s turn, taking in the blame and improving from it is the best way forward.
I feel there is a blame on playing Rooney as well, as much as we and Sir Alex trust him, wouldn’t it have been better to play Berbatov or Macheda? I know there will be people who say hindsight is a good thing, but I’d imagine Berbatov and Macheda must be thinking, “Hell! Is a 20% fit Rooney still better than me?” A starting place for either of them would have done wonders for their confidence, as it is now, they must be feeling pretty annoyed.
As for Carrick, he was great for the first 2 seasons, but it seems like the emergence of Fletcher the following seasons have made him slack somewhat and he has not be able to stop the rot.
Enough for the blame game now, our season is just left with 5 games, let us all get behind our team for the next 5 games before we think about changes for next season. Thou for starters, I would think we need some new blood to boost the team, it kind of feels stagnanted right now. A top quality playmaker should be top of our list
playmaker that fits into my mind ATM is wesley sneijder … saw him for inter was damn freaking good … or van der vaart would do well too
we need another striker pls … SAF pls sign us a world class one this summer pls
Lets not sound so bad in defeat and start slagging bayern players and calling them names. Over the 2 leags they were probably better and we have only ourselves to blame for the exit. They could have got more at the allianz arena and were helped a lot by us yesterday. I also dont feel like blaming young rafael. he is still too young and immature. I am sure he will learn from his mistakes. he had ribery in his pocket in the whole first half. I think it was a silly foul to tug him back and the ref has no option but to book him. My biggest disappointment was why didnt we keep the ball more when we were 3-1 up. All we did was kept hammering long balls aimlessly and inviting bayern pressure. Ribery, robben were average for most of the game but they have it in them to change the game with one moment of quality which robben did yesterday.
Also someone yesterday mentioned about no one being on the line. usually its Rafael who is on the line. had someone been on the line it would have been an easy clearence.
As for Carrick i dont want to slate him but its obvious he has been a major disappointment in the big games. A bit like berbatov he plays really well against the smaller sides but when it comes to the big games he dosent exert the same influence
Scott
Rafael made small mistake, but sending off was harsh – ref shouldn’t have sent him off. So don’t blame rafael (plus: before red card he was absolutely brilliant).
BTW: I think that Carrick played quite well last season until CL final. After Barca show he lost his confidence. This season he’s nowhere his usual form. But I hope that Hargo will be back next season, with him in form on the piotch we wouldn’t have lost yesterday
Somehow.. this season didn’t feel like that “It was meant to be..” with all the injuries, debt problems and the refs.
It seems that every time we have a bad game everybody seems to be talking about a dip in the transfer market. The fans who rant about buying a quality striker should remember that any quality striker (Benzema et. al) would not love to play second fiddle to Rooney just like Tevez didn’t. Macheda is the one for the future. I was quite impressed with his movement after he came on against the rent boys. Once Owen is fit we have enough options.
Talking about the game though.. i thought we were just unlucky. The second yellow could have gone either way. And before the red card, we were running them all over the park. Even after the red card, although they had enough possession it was only that strike from baldy that troubled VDS.
What now..?? We stand up and charge for the league. I think its only a matter of time before luck turns for us and Chelsea lose.
missed the match.
i know carrick has been shite all season, but actually waking up to the news of a champions league exit because of him, oh that just fucking does it!
i do believe rooney’s surprise inclusion was to shake up the nerves, expecting the best striker to be on the sidelines but suddenly seeing him appear on the pitch is a huge psychological blow. so i agree that he should have been subbed at half time cos during that the opposition surely has time to get their heads back together in the dressing room
Interesting what Scott thinks of Rafael after cooling off. Didn’t expect him to be so harsh on the player.
As for Rooney. After every goal we’d scored i was telling to a mate of mine that it is his goal. He served as an inspiration and i can justify Fergie’s decision to play him.
When Barca won CL in 2006 Rijcaard said that every team neads changes every 2-3 years after winning something important. Interesting to see what is in store for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vrKzM9TDA
i see players doing that all the time, and not getting carded. plus, ribery clearly shoves him and steps on his foot. trying to think without my red tinted glasses here, but to me, that does not look like a yellow.
@jellybean – what is your attitude towards Rafael right now after the Bayern game ? i absolutely love both twins and i think Fergie was wise enough not to make him the main cause of our shortcomings. He said it was Olic’s goal.
A while ago i thought he had just picked some extra weight but look at his legs. He worked in a gym for a while, no doubt about that. He will be a magnificient player in a couple of years time.
Re: Carrick, Hargo better bloody be back for next season! Its the day after and I’m still so bloody mad at Carrick, dawdling about and costing the team. I agree with Scott, keep him away from the first team for the rest of the season! At least Rafael has the excuse of youth and inexperience to blame for his sending off, what excuse does Carrick have apart from being shit? Full marks to Gibbo as well, I’ve never reallly rated him but at he played very well last night.
All in all a very good performance and just unlucky to go out,
Our histry makes us strong,
Your hate makes us astronger
We’ll naver die!
Gosh…yesterdays performance took me to the highest of highs and lowest of lows…its really sad that it ended like it did because i dont think Bayern are a better team than us…we pretty much bought our own downfall and it all started when United could not shut shop in the last few minutes in Munich and allowed Olic to score…really poor mistakes…And now people say its going to be smooth sailing for Bayern against Lyon…really? Lyon are no push overs and could suprise Bayern in my opinion(after all they did dump one heavyweight in Madrid)….
Having said that this season is a one of transition i guess…having to learn to live without the genius of Ronaldo and the fight of Tevez…we haven’t really fallen away from the top…atleast of the english game…unlike Liverpool…we still may go on to win the EPL…although its now totally out of hands…just praying that Liverpool and Tottenham do us a favour in nicking points of Chelsea…Arsenal will fall away towards the end I think without Fabregas…and honestly Bendtner is not good enough to get them out of jail all the time…really shit striker in my opinion…totally over rated and the shit that he talks…he think he’s Henry or something…cocky idiot…
Guys who do you think United should sign next season?…because this season we’ve done the best I think we had at our disposal…Clearly Berba needs to shipped off before he’s over 30 and no one wants anything to do with him…a good striker perhaps Villa? ….also an AM a creator like Gourcuff…maybe let Scholes retire with dignity…although Carrick has been absolute junk this season I still think fergie will keep him…what do you guys think about our spending options in the summer?….
Praying that we win all our remaing games till the end of the season and sneak the title…Glory Glory Man Utd…
Gonna risk the wrath of the rest of you but I thought Evra was poor over the two legs….
Carrick was crap…. has been all season…
Petulance from Rafael may have got him sent off but lets be honest…. there is no way that is a second yellow… the ref should have used his common sense….
Nani was fantastic….. I am so happy to see him playing to his potential
Van der Sar was also very good….
Lets be fair…. this saves us the embarrasement of facing Barca in the final….. we are not as good as last season and they toyed with us then!
The typical Germans comment hasn’t gone down too well in Germany… ha ha ha
fuck them!!!!
@King Eric
I know Rooney was struggling but why not bring on Macheda instead of O’Shea. We went all defensive because we never had a striker on. Nani has never plaed upfront on his own.
I wouldn’t say there is nothing wrong. But what I would say is that there are a few things that need changing. But nothing major like SAF leaving, buying loads of players, etc.
Hopefully Nani and Valencia start contributing more goals, with Macheda, Diouf, Owen, and Welbeck all having the chance to play in the front 3.
I think Giggs, Scholes, and Red Nev will be sed very sparingly next season.
If only we could play like that every game like the first half at Old Trafford!
About Berbatov. What can you say. SAF kept Rooney on instead of putting Berbatov on even at 3-0 up. Class or not, if SAF believed in him then Berbatov would have started. He just doesn’t fit in to the system. Which begs the question what he is doing here…?
It was our performance in Munich that cost us a place in the semi’s, If not for 10mins of bayerns possession it would have been a decent performance on our part but you knew bayern we going to score even at 3-0 they where still a danger, Unfortunetly for us the Italian ‘ref’ (if thats what you’d call him) gave ridiculous calls in favour of bayern, cant even count a handful of free’s he gave us compared to countless he gave bayern, even though we had the ball more? how does that work! batant fouls on United players where brushed aside and not to mention Rafael’s first yellow card came after a foul on the lad, his second was nothing but handbags, a telling off and nothing more, but like the rest of them they love the limelight and any publicity good or bad they’ll take.
Carrick, nobody likes to have a go at one of our own but one can only take so many miss placed passes and horrible positioning he failed to close down bayern on several occasions…
Nani man of the match,
Back to Rafael, after the first yellow it was always in the back of the mind that he would get another. i applauded the lad off and rightly so, he was harsh done by and had a decent game kept ribery quiet up until he was sent off, 80mill? your havin a laugh!
@ Corea- i love our little identical brazillian fullbacks. they def have the potential of being the 2 best full backs in the world and being 1st choice for brazil- and that says a LOT. they’re young, energetic and in the tradition of brazillian fullbacks love going forward and contributing to attacks. they’re not afraid to put a tackle in either, but their judgement will definitely improve over time. remember a certain mr rooney who was known for his temper? i was afraid when he got his first yellow that he’d get sent off, because it was obvious how the bayern players were trying to piss him off. i think scott maybe had a few drinks last night and was pissed off, i’m sure he wont feel that way today. till he got sent off he was absolutely brilliant, defensively and going forward. you’ve got to feel for fabio, having to compete for a spot with the best in his position, but in years to come, i think the twins are def going to be our first choice full backs.
Rooney’s a genius but If fergie doesn’t buy some serious attacking force this summer we won’t do any better than now
p.s It’s official Berbatov is a waste os money
Oh and I don’t buy that Rafael lost us the game. Those other 10 players are good enough to see th result out.
@AlphaRS
Spot on mate. As i said we also didnt keep the ball well launching aimless long balls rather thn keeping possession and frustratinng bayer. i am sure had we kept the ball better bayern would have got frustrated and van bommel would have made atleast one more clumsy foul and been sent off.
O shea coming on would have been bad but it should have been for carrick and macheda for rooney. that would have been better
*wouldnt*
This is a hard one to take. Losing when you deserve to lose is one thing, but winning and still going out is even harder, FUCK this away goal rule! and fuck that ref, fuck bayern munchers, fuck fuck fuck!
GUTTED!
well done to Nani though, he is becoming a real talent for us!
i was amazed and over the moon with nani , excellant , the first half was , bar carrick , just head the fucking ball , i think he was trying to be clever and let it run through , but after that game id rather see gibo start than him , fletch was awesome valencia was as strong and willing as ever and bar nani rafael was our best player in the 1st half , it was a very harsh sending off and i cant blame the boy , more like scarface and co reacting like they had been raped and pillaged , van bommel done worse in the 1st half and got away with it , i really would have liked to see kiko come on instead of berba , just for the legwork and energy , it seems however well we play there are other forces at work stopping us ! if we start like that in our last 5 games we will win them all and the league !!!
That’s a bit harsh on Rafael, the lad had a cracking game before that. I would blame the referee for being a spineless wuss and capitulating to the Bayern player’s demands. Plus, all night long, he was awarding them fouls that weren’t and ignoring our legitimate ones (like the first Rafael yellow, that was definitely a foul on him).
The second one to blame is the whole team as a collective, for taking the foot off the gas after scoring three goals, didn’t they get the memo? WE WANTED SEVEN, actually, after Nani’s second, that was what I was looking forward to.
And, we need to sign one or two proper midfielders in the summer. My MOTM was Nani (oddly, before the red, I had considered voting for Rafael).
Totally agree with you Scott about Rafael – totally his fault and he has to live with it. The first yellow was also needless – trying to win a free kick then kick the opponent – no option but a card. The second had ifs and buts but the biggest but is BUT why tug his shirt. He plays well then in every game seems to be caught out of position and tries to recover by fouling etc. Cost us too many goals and now games. Needs a spell on the sidelines with Carrick. Also agree he is not a quick learner – is this a Latin thing??? Anyway really pissed off this morning.
Roll on Saturday
Rafael was tremendous 1st half but anyone who watches this kid week in week out knew he was going to be sent off as soon as he got booked for a stupid petulant lash out.
At half time he should have been brought off and just lock the door defensively, on a yellow card marking a player that does nothing but run at you????? Crazy to leave him on.
I cant even talk about Carrick, Raf is still learning where as Carrick is a seasoned professional. He cost us the game! I dont know who posted above about him tracking their players all night? Tracking means fuck all if you cant put a tackle in at the end of it. I have always been a fan of carrick but he has had an hurrendous March and April, fuck me he made Lucas Leiva look good!
Tight on Rafael. Boy played well and despite still being green defensively he showed his worth going forward and got stuck in to his challenges. He reacted poorly to getting sent off but he’ll feel awful today. The real villain here as you point out is Carrick. Man has never really fitted the shirt. I have been one of those fans who question if he is fit for our club, he always lacked strength and movement. Sits deep like a quarterback, wanting to only to play delicate passes, which when they come off are great, but you need more to your game than that to play for our club. Bench him and sell him back to Spurs in the summer.
I’m in mourning, feel like I should be wearing black today…
I think we can take heart from what we did last night, we battered them and it was only the lack of common sense from a referee that cost us. Rafael needed to be told to calm down, a ‘one more and you’re off’ kinda thing. Instead the referee bowed to the German pressure, when Van Bommel made fouled whilst on a yellow card, you didn’t see United gathering round the ref waving imaginary cards in the air.
Which brings me onto Ribery, I don’t want him at United. His only contribution to the 2 legs was an awful free-kick that bizarrely deflected in and making a meal out of a nothing challenge to get Rafael sent off. Other than that, he offered nothing. I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
Gonna take a few days to get over this one I feel…
WOW – your spot on apart from the Rafael bit. I’d say he was pretty much one of our 3 best players (Valencia and Nani) all game despite being sent of early in 2nd half. He done a cracking job on Ribery.
He got sent off, he’ll learn. Come on Scott, how many times has Scholesy done it?!
Carrick – dont get me fukin started – sell him NOW
We were great last night. And I’m actually very proud of the lads.
We’ll Never Die
Every single one a great point. Even the one about Carrick sadly..
What about gary neville who put a hand to stop the ball a gave bayern the freekick to the goal in the first leg
Yet an experienced defender.
So scott, shut the fuck up and Rafel sure made mistake as much as evra in the first leg letting the killer goal.
Regard to your comment “I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career.”, I hope that you will regret this statement in the future and that you will end up eating your words.
Awaiting for your response.
I haven’t read all the comments if not I will be here all day.
2 things – we need to replace Carrick. He gave them the chance to get back in the game and gave the ball away too frequently for my liking. I would happily play Gibson in there from now on.
Pity about Rooney but we need a quality striker to back him up. Berba didn’t look interested when he came on – Fergie should have put Macheda on.
Absolutely gutted today and have to deal with a lot of Germans today
Gutted but proud.
If tonight stays with Rafael for the rest of his career, I wish it so only if it spurs him on to become better and remember forever how important every player on the team is, and how their actions can change the fate of games like this – despite what Van Gaal says, Bayern would never have won if we had 11 men on the pitch, and the only reason why Ribery took a cheap pot shot at Rafa by surrouding the referee is cuz he couldn’t cope with Rafa the whole night and getting him sent off was the only way he could get past the young boy.
I’m absolutely absolutely gutted by our exit, but at least this time, it wasn’t cuz we played badly.
Chin up!
@Christoff : Agree completely about Berba…sorry to say this, but I don’t think he really understands what it is to wear the United shirt, and that it is something to die for. I used to really like the guy, but now I think its time for a bit of the old doghouse with him.
@North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row: Couldnt agree more with you – “gutted but proud” sums it up perfectly. I think the biggest accolade came from a Gooner colleague of mine who came up to me, shook my hand and said – “Tough luck, but your lads fought like lions…and that is the difference between our two teams”.
We lost the game last night because of poor management on and off the field. The rooney gamble worked for 15 mins but he was then too injured to carry on. The manager should have pulled him off it should not hvave been left to rooney to decide. We played with ten men for most of the game because of this stupid mans decision to stay on the field. thats why we were tired. The other management problem was on the field. We have not had a captain since roy kean. @ 3.0 up at home he wpuld have bossed the players and held the ball instead of all out attack going into half time. Rio does not live and breath MUFC and shown tonight wheather he wears the armband or not he cannot step upto the plate and become a natural captain in terms of reading the game and strategiclly closing the game or key opposition players out.. The final managment piece of the jigsaw that was missing is not having a real coach. Mike phelan is not the standard we want for MUFC he does not inspire the players or look to have any kind of influence on the tactics of the game.
Keep fergie and put roy kean with him as no 2 or get a foreign coach who is upto date with the modern methods of the game. FOR MUFC to loose a game at 3.0 up 2 mins to half time at a packed old trafford is shameful and an utter disgrace. In Any other form of industry this lapse in performance would only be described as management neglegence of duty and incomptetance of the highest order. kean has learnt his lesson at sunderland and ipswich and is now making progress transfer all his draws at ipswich into wins he would have been in a top promotion spot.
Very dissapointed Red not because we lost but in the manner we lost
Ps exactly the same issues at Chelsea and at bayern the week before.
Good reflection on the game.
I have disliked Carrick for a little while. He is my least favourite United Player. Lacks composure and for someone who is Known suposidly for his Passing ability how can so many simple passes go wrong!
His shooting is extremly poor
His Tackleing is not great
His vision is ok prviding you give him twice as long as paul scholes to spot the pass!
The only thing he is good is his positional play!
Would loved to have known what he was trying to do for Bayerns Goal!
Most mistakes today were made by Sir Alex, the ref and michael fucking lousy carrick.
Carrick should never let Olic get his goal, he looked like a fucking 9YO in that duel!
Sir Alex let Rooney play when he clearly couldnt stress their backline, and that was the reason we kept posession and won the ball all the time. Once they could settle and start playing their game, i knew it was over for us.
Also, he brought on Giggs who has been shit for the last couple of months, instead of bringing on Kiko who’s young, fresh and hot like hell to show himself off. He’d work his arse off.
And the ref, oh my fucking god. I’m not saying he lost the game for us, because if Carrick did what he should have done and not fucked around, and Sir Alex didn’t make the wrong subs we would have won, i’m sure.
But it shone so clearly through that everything he did was in Bayerns favour! Also, had he been the slightest decent he would have sent Badstuber off for his straight foot on Valencia, given Van Buyten three yellow cards and ATLEAST two for Van Bommel. His job is to protect the players, yet Van Buyten could knock on Rooneys ankle three times without beeing given the fucking yellow. CUNT!
But as it stands for now, the blame is mostly on us, because we (atleast I) expect ref’s to do like shit against us by now. If we’d done the right things tonight, we would have won.
@ trevor- i personally am not carrick’s biggest fan either. i really hate slating our own players and even when some members of the team (nani, park, anderson) weren’t playing too well, i’d get mad and swear at the tv but i was willing to give them a chance…plus whenever they did play well, i was always happy for them. carrick…..he’s been off for a while. he constantly gives away the ball, is slow, can’t win the ball, can’t tackle. and his shooting annoys me. yeah he does score the odd screamer, but he can’t always be going for those shots now, can he? that having said, where was the rest of our defense for bayern’s first goal?
Guys….coldn’t bring myself to comment since last night…..
am feeling sick to the core….cant bring myself to sleep or eat and its been 12 fucking hours since the defeat….
Am still proud of the lads performance….even Rafael…who will definitely learn…
All we got to do now is back the team all the way, support our lads in the run-in of the league!
I BELIVE
and if we don’t win anything this year, i’m sure it’ll spur us on for next year, and i pray to the gods that michael carrick either finds back to his 07/08 form, or get the fuck away because right now he just looses duels, looses the ball, miss passes and can’t score!
Unitedzz you muppet, your comments are completely out of order. If you are actually a United fan, you embarrass me. Its Rooneys fault? Fergies fault? Mike Phelans fault? Rios fault? Last night was an utter disgrace? Your post is the most annoying one I have read in a long time, you make me sick. I could go on, but I wont.
My two cents on the game:
· Rooney should have been taken-off immediately after his knock, it was blatantly obvious he was fooked and it just went to show Fergie’s lack of confidence in Berbatov that he stuck with a crocked Rooney ahead of him; very bad decision making by Fergie.
· Referee was very harsh on Rafael, and crumbled under pressure from Ribery (Who could have been booked for retaliation during the same incident). That said, you could justify a yellow card and Rafael was idiotic to get his first yellow.
· From the off in the second half, we needed either stability in the middle or a pressure release up front. Scholes or Macheda in my opinion, and neither were introduced. This resulted in the teams’ retreat into their own box and an invitation for Bayern to pummel us, it was only a matter of time before they scored.
· Carrick, as I’ve been saying for four years, is not a top level player. He’s a nice guy and a good player but can’t hack it at the very top. Put some pressure on him and he collapses. He was weak for the first goal last night, but you’ve got to ask where was the defense? There was no sign of any of the back four. I would put more blame on Carrick for the second, where he lost the ball in the centre of the park, and as a result we gave away a very easy corner.
· It’s been obvious for two years that we’ve had problems in the centre of midfield and haven’t great options up front, hopefully this will convince Fergie that it’s time to bring in some proven talent. Europe’s elite are no great shakes at the moment and I think the introduction of some quality in various positions could put us on top without much trouble.
All in all: Some genius by Ferguson to start with, was counter-balanced by some inept action when replacements were needed and the tactics needed changing. Tactics have never been Fergie’s strongest point, particularly during a game, is it time to bring in someone with expertise instead of Phelan?
PS: As much as it hurts, what a finish by Robben, beautiful strike.
Sell Rafael, Buy Michel Salgado
Sell Carrick, Buy Nick Barmby
Sell Berbatov, Buy Dave Kitson
Sell SAF, Buy Brian Laws
Guys, scott seldom says anything bad about the players. I can understand what he mean. He cost us deep problems and eventually screw our chances of going to the final. This is not the first time in his career that he is send off. If he is gonna learn how many times he gonna make? I think scott feel that he should keep thjs in mind and he wont do it and will be at the club forever as he is indebted to this club.
@BabyFaceAssasin
LOL.I was about to make the exact same comment uve just made mate. Berba IMHO shud be sold quite right coz of his pure languid style.it really does nt suit us well. We need a strong and speedy ST to hold the ball for us and actually has presence in the box. Im running out of superlatives for carrick though. I honestly dnt think hes good enuff and if hargreaves dont play some football anytime soon, I think we need to seriously consider other options such as gourcuff / defour…
Was really gutted, sad and disappointed of the result yesterday. It did not reflect the overall 2nd leg bt we probably deserved it cause of a lack of concentration and pace in our defence these past weeks…rafael was extremely bright and energetic until his sending off..
Strange enough, now that we’re out of the CL. I have a feeling we could still pip chelsea to the title. IF we were to progress, i was worried if we could bring our A game every single week in Europe as well as in Englad considering the fatigue and inconsistent perfomance week in week out by some players.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row if you think that the crowd shouting rooney rooney will make his ankle get better then you are the muppet. we played with ten men for most of the game. Our managment failed to make key decisons when we were three up. At bayern last week (yes i was there) fergie put scholes on van bommel man to man played to their stengths not ours. He did the same on Saturday with fletcher and lampard in the secound half he freed fletcher up and we started to have some of the game. If you think that mike phelan is a top coach and can change the pattern of play in order to counter the other team then i need to stop watching united . This man is average very average and our team this year has looked average with the exception of rooney and fletcher . The bayern fist goal last night was a comedy of errors carrick would have had is arse kicked big style by kean for not compeating as united players compeat.Rio cannot do what kean could do put fear into a player.
The second bayern goal was a fantastic finish but who was organsiing the marking to allow the time to get that shot away where was our defensive organiser. Clear the red mist from the eyes last night was a shambolic management performance. The players in general gave us all they could give us given the circumstances. The display orf organsiation,coaching and decison making was not. accepatble. at the top level and we got found out.
@Notorious Red Devil
Re: Champions League Final 08′ Carrick was at fault for Lampard’s goal and he missed an absolute sitter to make it 2-0!! He’s been a passenger for too long
dissapointing, really dissapointing. i hope to god bayern get to the final and then get properly destroyed by barcelona. i couldnt get to the game yesterday so i had to watch it on rte and i could not believe the panel . john giles eamon dunphy and ray houghton had a bloody field day sticking it to united, even before the game they were at it and the same at half time. some of thier observations were laughable, giles saying that united “never really dominated the game” despite being 3 nil up., dunphy spouting utter shite with some of his comments,”this is the end of united” “nani is a nothing player and had a terrible game” despite scoring twice and probably being uniteds best attacking threat. did anyone else watch these shower of pricks last night by any chance? i dont know what has happend to carrick over the last few months but he has played dreadful. i think that your being very harsh on rafael , yes it was naiive of him but place the blame on him is taking it too far. how many times has paul scholes done stupid things like that , that could have cost us dear. what about his attempt to lamp xabi alonso at anfield in 07, his petulant sending off against roma in the first leg defeat in 07? im not having a go at scholes because he is one of the greatest players to ever pull on the red shirt, but if your going to criticise rafael then surley you cant ignore scholes past actions either. you seem to also forget as someone above rightly pointed out , neville was at fault for the first goal in munich, by stupidly handballing it. the abu media love this, another chance to kick united when thier down but next year we will come back stronger and hopefully can win the european cyup again.
Where were the defenders for their first goal? They were up front for a set piece.
Hold on, we’re 3-0 up in The European Cup Quarter Final at home to Bayern Munich, and our two main central defenders are up attacking a set piece and leaving a midfiled player to defend for them?
FFS! How fkn naive is that? !!!!!
WTF were these experienced defenders thinking? Where was the leadership there Rio?
Somebody needs a bollocking for this,.
Oh well, on the brightside at least its money not going in the Glazer coffers and we can put all our aging squads efforts into fighting for the title.
Truely am gutted about the result, First half performace was the best I had seen for quite at while at OT and like Scott I was buzzing and celebrating like my life depended on it for each of the three goals.
Agree with most of what Scott has said. Rafael was harshly given a second yellow and that reaction of those German twats did not help.But as Scott has stated it is not the first time Raf has done this this season. He needs to learn fast and I am sure he will. He will i am sure be feeling really low about this but will come back stronger.
Carrick has been awful all season, it think it is time for him to be shipped out and we buy a class CM. Plus people forget we still have Ando to come back and Hargreaves but we do need a class creative midfielder ASAP this summer.
That last 20 mins I cannot believe how much Paddy looked out of sorts. Granted he has been our most consistant performer of the season but he looked shattered. Hope he can carry on till the end of the season maybe get a rest at the world cup warming the french bench as Abidal is surpisingly first choice left back.
I thought the 2 wingers valencia and nani where our best players on the pitch by a mile,Nani especially and as scott says he now knows what playing for united means, they chased lost causes and we did have chances to bury the game,but thats football, gutted like everyone else.
We all know how refs can even games up and last night wasn’t any different, I’m sick of sh1te refs in football as they have there own agender to how the game will go, van bumhole should have gone in the first half, rubbery is a cheat for getting the young kid sent off and should off been booked for diving about,80million your having a laugh, car crash.. Carrick was very poor and I’ve not seen him play a great game since we hammered roma, we need help for fletcher, carrick isn’t it, he was too deep to cause bayern any problems, lets not dwell on defeat but raise our game and go top of the league again and hope chelski get kicked off the pitch by villa. Viva Nani..
NortH Stand – Spot on fella at 9.15
Scott I think your assessment of Rafael is a little harsh.
He is young and did the wrong thing but he will learn. The impression I got from him leaving the pitch in that way was not self pity but that he knows he had just let the team down and couldnt believe he had acted so stupidly.
Other than that he performed exceptionally well when he was on. Ribery had such limited opportunities because of Rafael and he managed to get forward on a number of occassions providing attacking support.
Still so fucking down, furious, angry.
Hate to say this but we are going to have to cheat like the rest of europe. Really go down every time we are touched, surround the refs to get other teams players booked. When fouled go down like we have been shot by a sniper, this is something we should maybe have taken from CR7, instead of trying to get him to stop it. Said earlier Rafa should have gone down as if Ribery had hit him tried to get him a red card as well. Plenty of times last night were our players could have rolled about and got some of their players in trouble, we didnt do it and are now out of Europe with the easy draw.
Another wasted opportunity, lost this tie in Munich, sat there and waited for bayern to win it
We must learn to play the refs and officals in Europe – as all explayers say be PROFESSIONAL
You’re being a bit harsh on Carrick. Fair enough, he was poor last night, and for most of this season even, but to say that he hasnt been up to it for 4 years? In his 3 full seasons here, we’ve won 3 Leagues, got to two Champions Leagues Finals, and won the World Club Championship. Its impossible to carry a central midfielder to that extent, so he must have been doing something right. He mightnt be the best player we have, but he has been a very important cog in the team over the last 3 seasons.
As for last night, we were 3 up and cruising, playing great stuff with energy and abandon in real United style, and it was great to watch, but we got caught day dreaming and went 3-1.
Rafaels sending off was coming (I said to my mate at half time I didnt think he’d make the 90 minutes), and after that it was backs to the wall – but we still had the best chance of the second half – Nani going clean through, and even Gibsons and Carricks shots on goal should have produced something. It took a stunning strike to beat us.
Ribery was cleaned, first by Rafael and then by O’Shea (who did well for his first game in months), and Robben wasnt much better. 60 million for Ribery in the summer? thanks but no thanks.
Some of ye on here seem to think we have a God given right to win every competition, every game, and by a landslide. Football isnt like that – thank fcuk it isnt or it would be very boring indeed. I remember the late 80s and early 90s, unlike a lot of ye on here, and it wasnt always League championships and European finals. You need a bit of luck to win anything, and over the two legs we just didnt get it, but thats life.
We’re still league champions, and until we cant mathematically win it this year, I’ll hope and assume we will. After the previous two games which were hard to stomach, the lads put some pride back into the jerey last night, and I will take the positives from it. Ye can search for the negatives if ye want, and depress yourselves, but your going against what it means to be a United fan. Even when we’re down, we’re still proud to be associated with United and always sing and cheer on go around like we dont give a fcuk what others think, and thats what gets up everyone elses noses – winning is just a bonus, being a United fan is what really matters.
Always look on the bright side of life….
Oh yes and the atmosphere was cracking yesterday night even when we went 3-2 down and didnt look like getting an equaliser. much better than the chelsea game.
Credit to all those fans who went and sang their heart out
how the fuck was van der sar beaten from there for olic’s goal?! whereas the BM keeper saves from a similar position from nani. that’s the difference.
fucking gutted man. fucking gutted.
I watching Manchester 13 years…and I never seen our defence so bad. They are good, but last few months they are makeing so stupid mistakes, that you can t believe. I said it few days ago, that i cant believe how you can leave left or right side empty? 10 players in the box…and they leave Robben alone…how come????? First rule of defence is to see are any dangerous player in the box alone.
We didn t lose becuase we didn t score, we lost becuase our defence geting stupid goals!
LOOK, WE HAD A 2 CLEAR CHANCES TO SCORE, AND DIDNT. YOU CAN T MAKE THESE MISTAKES IN THE QUATER FINALS…SO WHEN I WAS “NEGATIVE”, ACTUALLY I WAS REALISTIC. I KNEW WE ARE GOING TO LOSE, SOMEWHERE…AND I WAS RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT, YOU ARE ENEMY
Thank God for Nani and Gibson…they play better and better. When i saw how was Nani dribleing 3 guys around him, and they couldnt take him a ball
i m happy with the game, we played good, but sorry for not geting into the semi…we had a clear way to finals..
Scott The Red said:” The referee: Wow. Did our players miss the memo that said if you fall over, regardless of whether you are fouled or not, the referee will award a freekick? Sixteen times the referee blew for a foul on Bayern Munich players and I’d argue even half of those were generous decisions.”
Stop clutching at straws.The referee’s performance was fine.
You made yourself look like a downright cunt by using the referee as an excuse as to why we didn’t win.
I dont think I can post on here today, i never read so many ridiculous comments in all my life!
@ Ashish
Bit harsh there son, Scott was merley stating an opinion. The ref was very soft, but I fail to see in Scotts blog he is solely blaming the ref for our European exit!!!!
The ref was very soft and bayern players played on it including doing two or three roles every time we won the ball i can count a nuber of occasions where Utd players won teh ball first and maybe got a bit of the man. Fletcher and Evra to name a few.
Yes robben strike looked good but he could have had a picnic on the edge of the box he had that much time, ball watching caused the team the most problems, we could go on picking faults with this and that but I do think we have positives to take from this game, we need the players to pick their heads up and to go out and thrash blackburn.. Fergie will have baselined all the players on there performance last night and he will know best who can cut it, he knows when a players sell by date is due(looked what happened to timmy howard- 1 mistake in europe and gone and he still bottles the big games too), learn and live and support..
unitedzz, just cause you were at the game last week doesnt mean you can slate everything that moves. Rooney was given the all clear to start by the medical staff. He was moving well and got a knock, it looked bad and Fergie had the two lads warming up. Rooney was the one who said he thought he was ok and could run it off. We were 2 up, destroying Bayern, and our best player says he is ok to continue, so why wouldnt they leave him on? Hindsight is a great thing, aint it?
It was Rios fault for Robbens strike? Have you ever played football at any level? Every man has a job to do, its not up to the centre back or captain to go around and check everyones position before a corner comes in. Rio and the rest of them were under severe pressure against a team with an extra man. Yeah Robben shouldve been marked, but its not Rios fault he wasnt.
As for the management side of things, its not only Phelan you’re having a go at, its Fergie aswell, since he gets the final say on what we do on the pitch. I dont think Phelan is a ‘top coach’, but to blame him for last night is ridiculous. With 11 men on the field, we were by far the best team. Its very easy to disect a game afterwards and blame this and that, thats what the muppets on the telly do – try make it look so easy and that the players and managers are poor, yet as easy as they make it look none of them step up to the plate and go into management, where they would no doubt pick a perfect team and play a flawless game.
Fergie and Phelan made big gambles last night, and they worked better than any of us could have dreamed – 3-0 up and cruising. They got a poor goal, but how he squeezed it in I’ll never know. Rafeal saw red, and that last minute winner in Munich came back to bite us. If we had of kept 11 men, and went on to win 4-1 or 5-1, which would have been a real possibility, none of the negative comments Im reading would be on here today. But things didnt go our way, so we get the knives out. Your entitled to your opinion, its just one that I dont agree with. Maybe Im the idiot here, but Id rather be the one seeing things in a positive light, than be the one that wrote the comments you did.
Thought we were going through 11 vs 11, we have gone out on away goals despite winning the game at home,
Bayern only scored 1 worthy goal in two legs, and that was against 10 men, we made it difficult for ourselves by gifting Bayern 3 soft goals, there is no exuse for defending like that at the top level,
Furius with the way the Bayern players surrounded the refeere to get Rafeal sent off, “Respenct the Ref” clearly is not complient to the rest of Europe
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row at 10.03
Great post mate, great fucking post!!!!!!!
The thing that makes me the most crazy in the world on this blog is that every time you blame referee…LEAVE THEM ALONE!
WE, ONLY WE ARE GUILTY THAT WE DIDNT WIN, WE DIDNT SCORE TWICE WHEN WE HAD A CHANCE, NOT REFEREE!!!!
second, now Barcelona will win a title and be the first that defende the title….i know that they are better than us, but at least, we would have another chance to try to win them. Maybe luck would be on our side. And our game was good, if defence would be more concentrate, use our chances and Rooney come back…we would have a chance to win them. This game gave me more faith how good we are. Before i was sure when we come in chance to score that they will 100% score. Now it is not like that. We could play twicw in the final against same club…it would be in history in all newspaper…but that is only IF that happend, IF we score, IF we didnt get a red card…IF our defence didint leave Robben alone…to many bloody IF, IF, IF…they ruined my day with that elimination…i feel so bad today…i have no will for work…for anything…we should be machines…no feelings..no nothing
We will be back stronger next year, this wasn’t our year, get behind the team they will need our support..
On the up Bayern will go out next round to lyon, van dirtpipe is banned??, and bastien pigsh4gger is banned too, we are all gutted but BE UNITED.
@ North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row: Spot on. Great post.
Nani has proved to the whole world how good he is when he gets a good consistent run of playing time, and when he gets support from Management! The rest of Europe knows United wouldn’t have got through the earlier rounds of the CL without Nani assists. He made the goal scored at CSKA away, Besiktas away, Bayern Away, and Wolsburg away 2 assists for Owen. The lad has NEVER been appreciated by the United faithful, who conveniently forget these assists of his in the big games – Arsenal away anybody? He has loved our club and what it stands for, and us United fans more than Ronnie or Anderson does, and that without any real support in return from the terraces. No wonder Mourinho wants him for Inter, and Barca for their team, and why shouldn’t he go in the summer, he has only been cold shouldered and unappreciated by United fans!
north stand tier 3, bang on mate. we dont have a god given right to win, everyone thinks we do and when we lose its the end of the world, recently we have just become so used to winning that the recent fans cant hack it and lash out at the team, the management, everyone…but the game was true utd spirit, fast attacking football, working hard off the ball, nani, what a transformation
yes its hard to stomach the loss, but we’r united and onwards and upwards 
you brighten my day mate
sorry scott but i cant agree with you about rafael. he was 1 of the best (if not the best) on the pitch until the red card. im pretty sure that you shouted to the ref when he showed the second yellow. so its means that he shouldnt sent off. how many similar or worse fault is withuot any booking during a game??? 5-10?? was a very harsh decison. glory man united
Rafeal played brilliantly throughout the game – this is also a young boy that is still maturing as a player and that was a totally wrong and harsh decision to send him off for something so little. So, that is what I will disagree with you on.
I feel disappointed that from 3-0 up we didn’t win or score a few more goals. I was hoping for a miracle at the end like Bayern had with that last ‘second’ goal(!) Maybe from Berbatov – to prove everyone that is a very good player because I know he is. We played very well – much better than our two previous games.
What made it even worst was the away goal advantage. Who in the world came up with that and why?! This is one stupid thing that the champions league came up with. It’s silly.
Nani is an exceptionally good and talented player in the squad. I think he is one of the strongest and last night he really show his true quality and what he offers for Manchester United. Without a doubt, he could one day be better than Cristiano Ronaldo ever was(!) Such a shame that is now going to be overlooked because of the loss.
I just hope that we can keep playing like we did in the first half of this game, at the next. It was terribly disappointing – like this blog pointed out – I’ve never been as happy as when we scored those goals.
@ Isaidso: I agree with the nani comment, I’ve been in the stretford end and the moans when he makes a mistake, I feel that some supporters want finished articles in less than 12 months, never going to happen, we have a lot of tallent coming through the ranks and we need the united faithful to support these youngsters and not destoy them.. BUSBY BABES
Whilst I felt just as angry as Ferguson did last night, he has a responsibility to represent the club. It’s unfortunate that he allowed the ‘typical Germans’ remark to slip out, even if he may have had a point about Ribery’s appeals. Van Buyton did target Rooney visibly but these things happen in football. We were unlucky and I thought everyone other than Carrick and Rooney were great last night and did the club proud.
Looks like everyone’s still pissed about the game last night, buts its done with. The focus now should be improving the side, not just with signings (in fact that should come last)most importantly we need a ball retention policy and passing practice.
This may sound weird but its true that is exactly what we need, our reliance on wingers to move the ball forward with pace every time will not always work, as was evident last night.
When we went down 10 men the tactics that gave us 3 goals in the first half ended up knocking us out of Europe.
Where to start with carrick (yes i’m singling him out), he might have been here in our championship winning years but he isn’t here when we need him which is right now. SAF has got some thinking to do for the rest of the season and for the next
Guys do you rate Hugo Lloris of Lyon?. Heard a rumour that the Gunners want him in the summer to replace Almunia.
Agree with pretty much everything Scott says. Carrick was shocking and it was just another time in a list of many where he has been caught out. The second goal can be directly attributed to him as well for losing the ball in midfield. I’ve stuck by him but he’s done it too many times now – he’s a bloody shitehawk.
Playing Rooney from the start was a risk but it was one that totally paid off at first as he was directly involved in the first two goals – I don’t think we would have come out of the blocks like that without him but without a doubt he stayed on the pitch far too long. I thought Fergie might have known by now – you can’t ask Wayne Rooney if Wayne Rooney is fit to play – it was obvious to everyone after 30mins that he wasn’t fit to stay on.
It’s a pity that Rafael got himself sent off – though I do think ribery helped him on his way – the ref wasn’t even gonna give a foul until Ribery turned around and shoved Rafael off. Raf was well on his way to a joint MoTM award with Nani before that. Nani was incredible by the way and his turnaround is one of the best I have seen – he’s finally showing the brilliance that he promised in glimpses in his first season. If he can keep this up next season (from the start) we will have a real gem on our hands.
I was shocked at Gibson’s inclusion, but he put any worries to rest quite quickly so fair play to him.
The most disappointing thing about the whole tie is that it was our’s for the taking. Going 1-0 up away from home and 3-0 up at home and still going out is unbelievable. Agree with Fergie though, despite having just about the worst performance of the season in the first leg, if we kept 11 men on there was no way we weren’t going through last night. Any calls for wholesale changes are ridiculous, though what I wouldn’t have given for Owen Hargreaves instead of Michael Carrick last night.
“Rafael da Silva: I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career.”
“I wouldn’t be averse to him giving a slap or two.”
Sounds even more stupid in the cold hard light of day. You’ve outdone yourself this time, Scott.
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Yesturday was bitterly disappointing, but i am finding it hard to feel bitterness towards Rafeal for getting sent off. As soon as he got his yellow card for is first synical foul on Van Bommel, I was waiting in expectation for his yellow on Ribery. He does’nt wana lose, and plays like it, but i just expect him to mess up due to inexperiance, especially when marking a world class player like Ribery. However despite this, his first half performance was so promissing, he stuck to Ribery something Gary Neville didnt do in the first leg as well as broke down the right flanik to almost register for us so I cannot help but feel sorry for the lad as he got sent off. On the other hand there is someone who I almost solely blame for the defeat and that is Michael Carrick, he aint enough for Man Utd at the moment and I kow if Owen Hargo was ever fit, that Carrick would know what is means to be a benchwarmer. He aint any good for our midfield, he hardly bombs forward with possesion of the ball, hardly puts in a crunching tackle, hardly ever makes a fucking tackle for that matter, all he can do is if he is lucky intercept a wrongly placed pass or shoot wide when on the edge of the area 7/10 attempts. Yesturday he was totally at fault for the Olic (to whom I think was a total cunt over the tie!!) he did nothing but fall the fuck over! I noticed that in the first half, he missed a glorious opportunity when Han-jorg Butt miss-kicked the ball and he decided to Butt’s shoot near post, when the far post was glearingly open for a shot. As Scott pointed out he miss-kicked an akwardly bouncing ball, but by this time his performance was so bad that i expected him to fuck that up anyway!
He is not of the quality we need in our midfiled and whe there are younsters in the team like Rafeal (before his exit) and Darren Gibson out performing you in a European Quarter Final, there is something seriously wrong with him. I still to this day dont think he has recovered from the ass whiping he got from Xavi and Iniesta in last years Champions League final, He aint got the stuff for our team and until those that do either come back into the team i.e. Hargo, Anderson (when he is having one of his rare good days), Giggs and even Scholes is better than him! Last night when he came off, the players on the bench looked pissed with Carrick (especially, Ronney and Johnny Evans) not many fans that were sat around me applauded Carrick when he came off neither!
He is a fucking experienced player that plays like a fucking doughnut when we need him to perform. I aint got no support for Carrick, he isnt enough in our midfield and for his time in a United shirt should be alot more reliable than he has been.
4eva United!
Morning Guys
Feel ruined.
One thing, though: Carrick. I thought he was brilliant for the first 25 minutes. He made some very clever passes, long and short, early on and, with Fletch, was making us purr. Rooney’s knock was when it all changed. We had no energy up front as he tried to run it off, and the momentum started to shift, culminating in the disastrous goal before half time.
Rafael is a total liability with his fouling. He needs to sort it out. It’s not the first time he’s proved petulant and immature. He needs to grow up and start fulfilling some promise. Other than that, we did great. Bayern were brilliant at playing the ten men, no question.
I see the media are trying to whip up a shitstorm over Fergie’s off-the-cuff “typical Germans” remark. What a precious bunch they are. How dare that evil Ferguson allude to the fact that Bayern are German, in these sensitive times we live in? It’s outrageous I tell you!
Anybody here rate Hugo Lloris of Lyon?
rafael doesnt have enough experiance to play in games like this, he made stupid errors similar to when fabio was sent off last year.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row
i am not against the players we have good players but even these need managing. SAF manages the club in total and is the greatest manager we have ever had. the establishment behind te scenes is fantastic and can not be questioned. However modern day football need more than one man and the first team coach is important in identfying who on the day is not upto the mark for whatever reason. The feedback he gives is vital in helping the manager make crucial decisons. Phelan does not even sit next to fergie in the team area nor does he stand i in the technical area . He only goes into the technical area when fergie reminds him to do so . Phelan is not a tactical coach and fergie has been carrying him he is our weakness not the players or fergie however if fergie carries on with him eventually his decisons will be questioned. In money terms we have probably lost 25- 30 mill from last nights defeat. and some world status . both of these we needed to attract new players . in the cold light of day go into your boss this orning and tell them they have just lost this amount of money based on emotion you wil not las long in your job.
if we had been beaten by the better side i would hold my hands up but we were not beaten by the better side we were beaten because emotion crept into the decion making managerial process we did not react enough to the changes of the game and for this reason i can only hold the first team coach to acount and the on field captain and senior players.
United are my team followed them through thick and thin. its important we keep the standards fergie has set and this applies equally to the clubs coaching capabilities. Phelan did not recognise the buildingf emotions in young Raf he did not recofgnise carrick was a complee no mark he did not over rule rooney when he put his thumbs upto to the sideline when he was hobbling around . he did not recognise we were 3 up with 2mins before half time and sent our defendrs up to attack a corner when we could have played out the time and regroup in the dressing room with a 3.0 lead
My argument is proffesionals need professionals to manage them phelan is a good back room support type of guy but not a dynamic coach that can read the fast changing events on the field. brian kidd went all over the world coaching whilt at united carlos was another cutting edge coach not mike phelan at carrington.
sorry i have offended you this was not the intention our players are good some even great our manager is great without question but our tactical coach is no where. if we want to move on to the level of football barca are playing we need new thinking at this level and not at any other.
we have the same passion for the cause but not the same route of achieving the result all the best North Stand,Tier 3,Back row lets not forget we can still win the title.
@In4muslegand – good point about that chance we had after Butt kicked it straight to Carrick, I’d forgotten about that. There was no need to shoot straight away (with his left foot, I think?) He could have played it cool and created an easy chance for Rooney or Nani. That’s hindsight for you though…
still devastated about last night – in the space of 8 days we have almost definitely blown a golden opportunity (unless chelsea still have some slipping up to do) to set some personal records and win the pl and perhaps even the cl (if anyones been following the liga this yr out of curiosity, even barca has been unconvincing at times against teams they should beat by several goals in theory).
next yrs cl and pl comps will almost certainly be harder as teams like chelsea, juve, ac milan and real madrid are not going to make the same mistakes as they did this season. All of those teams are going to add significant reinforcements over the summer and are most likely going to improve on their performances of this season and i get what saf is saying about not spending over the odds but we may need to join the overspending rat race that will almost definitely happen over the summer or we could be in liverpools situation next season if this team worst performances this yr becomes common practise next season.
I got a feeling that next seasons honors may be determined by who buys who. Right now it looks like that chelsea, liverpool, real madrid and perhaps acmilan and juve are going to buy big to make sure that this season isn’t repeated and that barca, inter, bayern, arsenal and probably ourselves are going to strengthen themselves in a more minor manner. The problem is that i can’t see any of the above teams selling their best players and the french and german leagues (and even the italians to an extent) will probably be less willing to sell their best players after they put their respective leagues back on the map after their cl successes this season – basically there is more demand than supply for this summer and it isn’t going to help that some clubs are going to probably buy some of the upcoming talent to stop other clubs from owning a potental future star not (just) to enhance their future (see canales to madrid for example theory of this – madrid aren’t really ones to buy for the future, they buy for the here and now).
i thinks aims for the summer should be:
> a eventual replacement for vds (between this summer and summer 2011)
> keeping our whole defense (not just the ist choice back 4 together) – we are not going to do much better than rio, vida and evra (considering world class defenders which other clubs are willing to sell at not too high a price are like golddust), when fit wes and o’shea act as great backup, the da silva twins and evans (and hopefully smalling when he comes) will ensure that we have a formidable defense for yrs to come and neville is still priceless in terms of wisdom and experience he can impart
on younger members of the squad.
> a midfielder (probably central) as giggs and scholes aren’t able to have the same impact as they used to and anderson & carrick have not convinced for a while.
> An experienced (but under the age of 25 -26 if possible) forward – obertan, macheda, welbeck and diouf are ones for the future in 1-3 yrs time as they need more experience, owen is ideal in that super sub role but not as a starter and i think berba on his day could be top flight but need someone else up front to share responsibility (plus our team seems to work best when we have 3 top flight forwards available eg…. rooney, ronaldo and tevez of 07/08 – adding berba to that 3 in 08/09 just caused problems and berba and rooney by themselves leaves us in major problems when rooney is injuried or having an off day as berba seems to need a partner to function himself)
> someone who can take a good freekick (lets admit it, since ronaldo left we have managed to find a good replacement in terms of the winger in him (valencia), goalscorer (rooney – though we do still need to find a replacement for rooney in theory) but we haven’t replaced to freekicker) – hopefully hargreaves or a new player can help solve this problem in time for next season.
In a dream world getting both david villa and silva from valencia in theory should work wonders and by getting both we have 2 players who already know how to play with each other like the back of their hands so adjusting to our league would hopefully not be so much of a problem. i think that they will probably cost around £50-60m combined which is probably a good price for those 2 but (a) saf is too stubborn (and the glazers too cheap) to spend that amount and (b)it’s probably a 3 horse race between chelsea, barca and madrid for those 2 and with their pockets we have no chance. if joe cole is available on a free then that could work well.
I know some of the utd fans want ribery and/or benzema but neither want to come here, both want to be in madrid and both have pretty big egos that could cause problems and i know benzema on loan is a possibility but why would we want to aid madrid in any way, long term they would benefit from the loan more then us and i think saf has provided them with enough indirect favours in the past (i am still trying to figure out how they are going to buy ribery, gerrard, villa, silva, etc…. and not have an ego problem at some point next season – the only reason they haven’t really had a problem this season is that the potental ego’s (the galacticos) have been injured at different points so everyones had a chance to prove themselves – if it wasn’t for that i think players like huguain and vdv would be available on the cheap this summer. we still haven’t got the answer to how many egos (that are used to being the main man in their previous team) can stuff in a team before we start seeing drama of a soap opera variety, esp if the unthinkable was to happen again next season and they get knocked out early out of cl again – i personal think that they will at least get to the wembley final with the amount of talent in their team but here’s hoping they trip early again)
sorry the above was off topic – i know we can still get a happy end to the season but looking ahead to the summer is slightly calming at this time, for me at least
last nights result must have given the red knights more amo ahead of the summer don’t you think?
also on the papers saying that the english league is no longer that strong – they have to remember that the pl was one of 2 leagues that had 2 representatives in the qf stage, france being the other one – suggesting that for the first time in a while there is not a dominant league in europe. Also apart from liverpool, the other 3 english representatives were hit by a lot of bad luck this season. Everyone knows that the eventual cl winners usually have some luck along the way, whether it’s a ref call going their way, a lucky goal, opposing teams playing below their potential or being hit by injuries. I’m not saying that bayern, barca, lyon and inter don’t deserve to be in the semis because it still takes talent to take advance of another teams misfortune, esp if on paper they are better then you. But both utd and chelsea had their worst performances of the season against bayern and inter respectively (and injury problems) – if both teams had been playing at their best both should be in the semis right now on paper and if arsenal hadn’t of had the misfortune of facing barca and the extreme amount of injuries they had to cope with in the quarters then i think they could of given at least inter or bayern a run for their money.
Hopefully the gods will shine on the english teams a bit more favorably next season – if only to stop the papers saying how much weaker the pl is against other leagues right now (hopefully fulham wins the uefa cup and helps to prove that theory wrong – a currently 12th place pl team winning the uefa cup would hopefully help prove that as a overall unit the pl is still one of the strongest)
rant over
I am really sore about the lost but alas, this is football….. Just have to live with the smirk that is on Arjen Robben’s face. I hope Nani, Macheda, Gibson can all go on from here and improve. It would be great to have a more attack-oriented Valencia + Nani running down the wings, and for Berbatov to find his feet and best position in our club. Fletcher needs a backup and Carrick needs to triple his training
@unitedzz – strange that you choose to blame Phelan for those things. Safer than blaming Fergie I suppose?
Anyway, like I’ve said before on here, you might get your wish this summer when Queiroz’s shite Portugal side have been knocked out of the World Cup and he comes crawling back to us after being sacked again.
we played the (2nd) game the United way; stylishly, deservedly, and with class;
Bayern won the tie the german way: undeservedly: with gamesmanship, cheating, taking advantage of a weak and biased referee, and a big piece of luck.
We lost it not at OT but at the Allianz.
I really disagree with some of the comment. we didn’t loss to bayern because of rafael, man utd win 3-2 with him around. some of you said that neville should slap rafael because he was sent off tonight but the truth is neville should be slap for the loss in champions league. when he played against bayern, he made a ridiculous handball & we loss 2-1. when up against chelsea we loss 2-1 & he was in both game. maybe my comment are not worth reading because i’m just nobody & cannot see the way i see it. against bayern it was a double game, the first leg we lost & the second one is a win,we should compare between this 2 games & then we can see the true weaknesses
THE SENDING OF WAS HARSH, THOUGHT YOU HAD IT WRAPPED UP AFTER 3 NIL, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE ITS HARD TO ARGUE WHEN YOU GO OUT TO SUCH A GOAL, SHAME THO, WAS WANTING YOU BOYS TO GO ALL THE WAY TO ENSURE YOU DONT HAVE FULL CONCENTRATION ON THE PL.
OH WELL
As I said before, I am a new poster here but a long time reader. And the main reason I love this place are the posts. Each time I feel bad, but positive about the overall outcome and come here and read the same thing, it feels great and proud to be a United fan.
The main reasons why we were knocked out are the late-minute goal in the first tie and Rafa’s red card. I am not quite as harsh on Rafa as Scott was, but still both the yellow cards were idiotic. Saying he is a youngster does not excuse him – maybe the 2nd card anybody might have committed that cynical foul when Ribery was through, but the first card was absolute petulance right in front of the linesman. He is a top-quality player, but almost every match he commits one of these stupid fouls and if he doesn’t change himself after a match like that, then he never will.
Contrary to what some people think, United don’t need any personnel changes. IMO, we have never been a team where a single playmaker like Sneijder, Xavi or Iniesta does the trick. Our strength is in teamwork, moving the ball about freely and using the width of the pitch to good effect. And we have the width aspect with Nani, Valencia, Park, and Obertan to add. And if Berbatov is played with one striker up top, he is the best at releasing the wingers out wide, as we have seen with the combination of him and Valencia resulting in headers for Rooney in the past 2 months. As for the core mid-field, Andersen and Hargreaves have been out for a long time but will come back. Imagine a mid-field squad that contains Fletcher, Andersen, Hargreaves, Carrick, Park, Giggs and Scholes, not to mention Gibson waiting in the wings. I cannot imagine a better-equipped midfield than that. Again, ignoring the ability of the sole superior playmaker and thinking what United has always been about, I think that squad will kick any team’s backside. And, yes, Carrick has sucked in recent weeks but saying he has never produced a quality performance is stupid, remember Roma 3 years ago. This season he has been very below-par though, but I hope he gets back to where he was in his first one and a half seasons with us.
And, to be fair, like some people have mentioned, the luck has not been with us this entire season and that was magnified in the past week, with some unlucky goals, and atrocious refereeing. I can imagine one or two decisions going against us, but both games against Chelsea, and quite a few other decisions have not gone for us in general, which has played its part in where we are now. Not to mention injuries. Imagine, when one player in one position gets injured, then it seems everyone from that position follows.
Finally, a season like this only makes the team stronger. We have had 3 consecutive EPL titles, with a 4th one just 2 points away in the table. We have made 2 CL finals winning one. We have sold a player who is probably second in the world ratings right now, we have had some unimaginable injuries to our first, second and third choice defenders, we were not even given a chance at anything this season at the start, let alone what all we have achieved till now, plus we have the worst money problem of any big club right now in the world. Still, we won the Carling Cup, are 2nd in the league only 2 points behind the leaders with 5 games to go (2 of which are very difficult ones for the Chavs), we have made a 4th consecutive CL QF and can generally be considered unlucky not to make the semis. I cannot imagine any other team in the world doing all that with the problems we have had.
And, no I do not want Barca to win their 2nd consecutive CL, coz then I would get sick of all the Barca love in the world. I mean when we beat Roma 7-1, Milan 4-0, make two consecutive finals, everyone is like its just United, but when Barca do it, everyone is like OMG, Barca are the best in the world, team of Gods and all. I am absolutely sick of it and I hope any other team wins it other than Barca.
Just my two cents, that’s all.
I agree that Carricks time is coming to an end at United, but to say he’s never been good is just plain wrong. Rooney has burst a blood vessel in his ankle, but saf says he shouldn’t be out for too long.
@dl “next yrs cl and pl comps will almost certainly be harder as teams like chelsea, juve, ac milan and real madrid are not going to make the same mistakes as they did this season. All of those teams are going to add significant reinforcements over the summer and are most likely going to improve on their performances of this season and i get what saf is saying about not spending over the odds but we may need to join the overspending rat race that will almost definitely happen over the summer or we could be in liverpools situation next season if this team worst performances this yr becomes common practise next season.”
I agree with your entire post but this part in particular is what should be worrying every United fan. There’s a certain other team who are going to spend big in the summer, they’ll probably be in the Champions League too and it will be absolutely sickening. I can’t see us buying the player/s we need this summer (a Silva, a Benzema) who would be the catalyst for a rejuvinated challenge on all fronts next season. I can see us trying to scrape by with players who are too old (Scholes, Giggs) or not good enough (Owen, Diouf) as our “impact” players while our rivals strengthen their squads.
Balaji: any team other then barecelona – or bayern!
Agree totally with comments on Carrick and was thinking exactly the same while watching the game. He got needlessly caught in possession which eventually lead to the corner which Robben scored from.
Have to disagree on Rafa – he’s young and inexperienced and I would hate to see last night having a negative impact on the player’s career. i think he’s is one of the most exciting youngsters we have atthe minute and hopefully he has learnt a valuable lesson.
Don’t think Gary Neville is in any place to critcise Rafa. In fact I think Neville should shoulder a lot of the blame for our exit. His silly handball let Bayern back into the game in Germany which ultimately cost us the tie.
aaaaaaaa…. the morning after does not make it any bit better!
sorry for the wrong update, Man Utd won 3-1 with Rafael around. the true a**hole is Ribery. Can’t play against a 19 years old so use a dirty cheap trick to sent off Rafael
Blaming Phelan is fucking ridiculous, it is up to SAF who he chooses to have as his number 2! Not a single person in this forum would have any idea on the impact Phelan does or doesnt have on the team!
1st internet article i’ve read today that looks at the english contingent early KO in the cl with some common sense:
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a13279_why-manchester-united-arsenal-can-hope-brighter-champions-league-future
@ZALEE – what dirty tricks? It was Rafael who made the blatent bookable foul… United players would have done the same, I 100% guarantee that
This is what I feel – http://unitedarmy.info/w/?p=3
We will never die!
@Tony Starks – Actually, United players didn’t do it when Van Bommel made a bookable foul when he was on a yellow card.
The more I watch the Rafael tug on Ribery, the more inoccuous it looks. The contact barely affects Quasimodo, who even has time to barge Rafael back then decides to stop running, turns round to the referee and asks him to book Rafael! The Hunchback knew exactly what he was doing. He’s a Grade A cunt.
unitedzz, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Mike Phelan would be the first man to say he isnt the best coach in the world, but Fergie wouldnt keep him around if he didnt think he could cut it. Fergie is the one more than anyone that knows what a good coach has to bring to the table, after working with Kiddo and Carlos. The book stops with Fergie, so any criticisms you aim at Phelan are also being aimed at Fergie, whether you think so or not. If you say Phelan clearly isnt good enough, then you are saying that its Fergies fault for not sorting that.
The bottom line is that if we had of kept 11 men on last night, we would have won comfortably, and more than likey gone through to the final. The ones laughing louder than anyone last night were Barca. While I doubt they’d admit to fearing us, they would realise that we were the biggest threat to their crown.
Last night was a classic European game, with more emotion for me than any game I can remember for a long time. We came out on the wrong side, and were unfortunate, but lets not over analise it too much or over react. I feel better this morning than I did last Wednesday morning, or last Saturday afternoon.
Tony Starks – Yes it was stupid mate, but lets see if it’s applied in every match if you make two fouls, you get two Yellow cards. I heard Blatter and Platini cracked open the bubbly when they heard the result.
Baby Face Assassin @ 7:50: “Guys who do you think United should sign next season ?”
It’s a bit early for that – there are still five key games to win to have a chance to win the glorious 19th.
perkythered @ 11:54: “We lost it not at OT but at the Allianz.”
YES but we really “lost it” by not controlling Ivica Olic – his goals were absolutely pivotal in changing the result/momentum in both legs.
Denton, I would like
Lloris
Krasic
http://www.zappinternet.com/video/sidPquHjoC/Lololololol
What an emotionally draining evening that was!Thought Rafa was man of the match int he first half,can’t understand why ribery wasn’t booked for his reaction to Rafa pulling at him,he was way from the ball and having a go at him!
Did anyone see the German lady/man reporter before the game?We couldn’t work out!LOL!How many news crews were on the front lastnight?We got interviewed by 3 of them!CRAZY!
Think Carrick needs a rocket up his arse!Can anyone tell me where Possebon is at the moment?He should be in the middle if Carrick can’t be arsed at the moment.Rooney shouldn’t of started lastnight,Why wasn’t Park or Diouf on the bench lastnight?Would of brought Diouf on instead of Berba!He’s not one for running around putting the fear of god into defenders with his pace.Nice to see John O’Shea back on,brought a tear to my eye on the Stretford end singing his song!
Broadly in agreement with Scott’s post mtach analysis.
Rooney should have been replaced at HT as he was clearly hindered his injury, especially after Bayern had aimed a few well placed kicks on his right leg/ankle. Great to see the confidence he brought to the team by his inclusion in the starting line up, but it was game over for Wayne after about 30 mins for me.
Michael Carrick was on the floor way too easily for Bayern’s first and whilst Robben’s “winner” was a great strike, our boys should know not to let him cut in on his left foot.
Whilst I agree with Scott that Raphael should never forget what he did, he should also move on and not let it affect his development adversely. He was having a storming night prior to that. Yes it was a foul, but a second yellow card offense? 9 times out of 10 no chance – even in Europe. But the Bayern players scented blood and swarmed the ref, ultimately influencing the decision and the course of the game.
Let’s keep our dignity in the closing games, even if we don’t add to the silverware for this campaign. Let’s give the Premier League title our best shot and at least bloody make sure that it all doesn’t end for us at the Wastelands – can you imagine how bad that’s gonna feel??!?!
One final thought. Whilst it’s galling to exit Europe in this way, I haven’t seen enough from the boys this season to convince me that they could live with the currrent Barca team and I certainly think they would wipe the floor with Bayern Munich. That said, I’ll be truly sickened if Mourhinho manages somehow to outwit his old club (again) because I reckon Fergie has his number. All academic now, anyway.
Balaji @ 11:55: “As for the core mid-field, Andersen and Hargreaves have been out for a long time but will come back.”
I sure hope so – Anderson has HUGE potential which – as with Fletcherinho and Nani – is slowly coming to the fore; Hargreaves is a quality terrier when fit but will that ever happen ?
@fred
i totally and completely forget that city would also be spending big this summer as well, esp if they get the 4th cl spot.
Which big (star) players are actually likely to be sold/available this summer in theory – ribery, villa, silva and aguero might likely with perhaps benzema, huguain, gerrard, torres, fabregas and pato depending what goes down at their respective clubs.
If all of the above are sold i’ll predict right now that they’ll get divided up between city, chelsea, rm and barca (though i can’t see barca buying more than one of the above even if they do buy as their front youth such as bojan looks really good for them)
Hopefully to an extent chelsea and city (and perhaps liverpool) will be so focused on the above stars that they’ll forget about the talent already in our league such as rodwell and leave us and arsenal to that.
on the bright side in terms of european leagues at least the pl teams main problems are the debts to individual teams which is better than the italian and spanish league problems (both leagues also have sizeable debts in some of their clubs and the italian football is (slightly) corrupt (most managers who have coached in both leagues has said our league is better – mourinho the most recent) and if teams like athetico and valencia are forced to sell their best players over the summer then the gap between the top 2 and 3rd (21pts) and 4th (29pts) would surely increase – wouldn’t be surprised if barca and rm both get 100+pts next season, basically even though the top 2 in spain are probably going to thrive with and above the best of europe, their league as a whole is dying from their individuality as many internet articles have points out in the last month. Plus if as i mentioned before if fulham, who will end their pl season at the bottom of 1st half of the pl table at best can when win the uefa cup i don’t think anyone could say the pl as a whole is a weak league – esp as no countries league this season seems to be dominating either the cl or uefa comp – for the first time in ages there is no dominant league in europe (though barca are a pretty dominant team granted right now) and for the neutral the variety of european leagues represented in these comps and no dominance by a single league can only be a good thing long term – those here’s hoping that with that variety utd are still up there every yr regardless of which other teams are also up there (hopefully rotating) each season from now.
Zaddu @ 12: 49: “Denton, I would like Lloris [and] Krasic”
Lloris looks pretty good; but I’m not convinced about Krasic – and, besides, what’s needed above all is another tiger in midfield.
As I’ve written many times, Daniele De Rossi of Roma would be fan-fucking-tastic but he’s getting too old and won’t leave Rome for Manchester (would you ?).
I think that Gibinho, Anderson and Corry Evans and, down the line, Paul Pogba give UTD lots of room for improvement in the middle to play alongside Fletcherinho.
Even if Hargreaves makes a miraculous comeback he’s already 29 (like Carrick) and so a short-term solution.
Scott yoy are correct in your assessment perhaps a tad harsh on Rafael. Bayern targeted him from the start as a weak link.
The bottom line is 3-0 up you close the game down and play tight. Giving it away was criminal. I still do not know what went wrong. You can put the blame on Carrick or Wayne staying in the pitch the fact is at 3-0 up in the quarter finals of the Champions League the game is over.
On the bad aspects of the game I would not single out any player. I think the lads we had on the pitch did their best. Yesterday was a game for a full squad not a depleted side. The game needed Wes Brown, Owen Hargreaves from the start and Anderson to replace a very quiet Gibbson in the second half.
I would single out the crowd performance in the second half. Poor and miserable. Just when the lads neede us the most the prawn sandwiches could not muster a bit of noise. I was at the Stretford End trying to rally everybody around me all the time. I do not know how we can allow 3000 Germans make more noise inside Old Trafford than all of us. In the end I Ilost my voice and my heart.
I am gutted.
Sorry lads but we did not help the team yesterday.
Being young does not absolve one from criticism, instead it is even more important to let them know they made a mistake and let them know the they need to stand up and be counted. Scott is right about Rafael needing to be reprimended, it may be old school style, but Sir Alex is an old school master isn’t he?
Rafael, be man enough to stand out and know you let the team down, and grow into the full back we all believe you can, period.
Last 5 games to go, no more blaming games, give it all we’ve got, United all the way~!
There’ll be “no value”™ in the transfer market this summer.
Sell saf, bring back big Ron.
Marq, you think Rafael doesn’t regret his mistakes last night? I don’t think he needs Gary Neville to slap him about FFS.
Denton, I wouldnt buy De Rossi because he is Italian and they generally dont travel well..plus if he left Roma their fans would probably end up killing him and his family in a “if we cant have you,no-one can” kind of way.
What do you think of Eden Hazard of Lille?
I hate the french rubberface cheat, 2 faced tw^t,
, did someone change his comb for a hot iron..
Just because he was hassled all night he had a little tantrum in front of the ref, and got his own way, upto the booking the ref seemed to let play go especially when rubber face was rolling around in the first half(trying to cheat), and then it changed when we where 3 up?!? So why all of a sudden was he was blowing for ever challange and some of the claimed fouls we not fouls which winds players up.
it’s true that in ALL cup competitions cheats prosper, esp henry against ireland.
The knobs(platini& twa5t) running the show are currupt as the italian league was a few years ago when AC got thrown out, then let back in and won it, never in a million years would an english team get this.. I think it’s time to fire all the refs and get the video technology in, that way things like cheater henry get sent off – 2 match ban and the goal disallowed, we can’t rely on inept and inconsistant ref-ing
I havent read through all the responses so apologies if I’m repeating stuff here.
Plus points (and there were many) from last night:
Nani – just keep playing him. Left or right. The kid’s a talent and has now surely deserved a regular run in the team.
Gibbo – came of age last night. I’ve had my doubts but he was immense with his box-to-box work, tackling and clear goal threat.
Rafael – silly sod for getting sent off but is showing real potential as our long-term right back.
In my mind, that gives us replacements for Giggs, Scholes and Nev.
Negatives:
Carrick – sorry guys but in the big big games he’s just too slow and ponderous on the ball. In his defence however where the f**k were Rio and Vidic when Bayern attacked for their 1st goal? At least he tried to get back.
Fergie – I know, don’t have a go at me, but why play Rooney 2nd half, why keep Rafael on when he’s been booked and the game is won, why bring Berba and Giggs at a time when we need energy?
Just my thoughts. This one is hurting though….
Diarra of Real Madrid anyone???
I can understand people being disappointed but to blame SAF and say he must go is ridiculous and really pathetic. Cant believe how low some fans can stoop.
And please lets top blaming young rafael. he is young and a fantastic talent. he WILL make it big. He was almost in tears last night knowing how costly it could be. I just hope the lad bounces back. The way he kept ribery in his pocket was excellent. no wonder ribery was on fire in the 2nd half after rafael was sent off.
Sounds more like Diarrhea of the mouth.
Well Fred, rather than presume Rafael knows his mistake, let’s say it would be safer to have somebody tell him that. After all, he is still young, and youngsters need mentors, who better to do the job than Neville and Sir Alex, albeit the old school method? Or would you prefer the Wenger method of trying not to see things and presume things will be ok?
Maybe the slapping part from Scott was somewhat over the line, but Rafael do need to grow up fast, as we all know Neville is past his expiry date and as well as Brown and O’Shea has done a good job there, we need a solid natural right back there sooner rather than later.
@zaddu
this isnt fantasy football and i dont want to see anyone of those facists at United. Lloris is a good choice but i would prefer Manuel Neuer. We have good wingers, we dont need Krasic
@willierednut – sorry didn’t really want to dwell on this but they way I see it, it’s irrelevent how many fouls you make. If something is a yellow card it’s a yellow card. sometimes a player makes just one foul and he’s off for red…
anyway… man! never thought I’d be this dissapointed to be out! from3-0…. man wish the next game was today… o it is! come on the reserves!
AIG, don’t be daft. What Rafael needs is for that renowned hardman Gary Neville to give him a few slaps.
I think Scotts comments that Nev should slap Rafael werent to be taken literally lads, it was just trying to explain the frustration we all felt when he got his second booking.
As for your comment Giggs11Gerrard0, I know what you mean when you talk about going shit for a while. I know its not something you want to see, but some of our fans have their heads stuck up their own holes, like they’re playing Premiership Manager every week and the club is something that can be chopped and changed with the next result in mind (fergie should go, this lad is crap, we should buy him and him and sell him and him blah blah), and abandon all sense of history, or of what the club is all about, and it sickens me.
Thats the main reason I dont come on here half as much as I used to – alot of the posters are living in a dream world, and alot are only ‘supporting’ the club the last few years and have no idea of what its like to not win anthing for a while, or to support the club through those times. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some opinions on here are mind boggling. And theres a line that sometimes gets crossed, and instead of being a United supporter, some are just people with an interest in United – big difference.
Im not saying that you cant critisise players or the club, but theres alot of posters on here need to cop on, and get back to reality.
@Fred
he will learn. No need to give him a slap or two. What rafael needs is a good talk from one of the seniors to comfort him and make him feel better.Lets not forget Neville’s stupid and unwanted handball that got bayern back in the tie last week.
Why is everyone blaming Rafael?! I’m not saying blame him cos he has been solid for us so many times but VDS really shouldn’t have let in Olic’s goal. Just how did that go in
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1264455/Theo-Walcott-blasted-Sky-Sports-face-football-didnt-know-microphone-on.html#ixzz0kVigEHU6
hahahahahahaha
Tony Starks – Yeah, i can’t believe after being 3 up we didn’t go through, but i would back us to get back to the final next year. On young Rafa, he was naive, no doubt about that but Rio and Vida have made mistakes this season and there experienced defenders.
@AIG – I was joking, mate. Good point about Neville’s part in our defeat in Munich. Maybe Paul Parker should have come into Carrinton the next day and given Nev a slap or two.
@Fred
Oops. Sorry mate. Didnt get that. Frustrating actually that bayern only scored once properly. The rest of the goals were gifted to them. Not the characteristic of a United team known to defend very well
We lost the battle over 2 legs, but lessons have been learnt. For one, we should never be complacent, as we did often during the season.
And I believe that our Sir Alex Ferguson must consider how to use the players best. I think Berbatov must be quite frustrated as he is simply not starting the real games. I support him as a player, in fact that’s how I became a Man Utd fan after seeing him play, but it must be crushing to him every time he finds himself not starting the big matches, and I am of the belief that if he could play in 4-4-2 long enough with the rest of the team, he can establish himself back again. As of now he must be frustrated that he isn’t getting his form. Who could?
Carrick is lacking something too. I do not know what it is bothering him, but he seems regressing, a terrible surprise. I hope that he gets his motivation back.
And let’s give the youngsters credit. They gave Bayern a hell of a game. Powerful stuff. Who knew Nani had it in him? Who knew Valencia will be a huge part of our game? Who knew Rooney has got what it takes to be at the very top?
At the start of the season, people looked down on us, and the whole world seemed to conspire against us, whether be it dodgy decisions, injury hell or the general sentiment that our time at the top is up with the departure of 2 important players. To be here still challenging for trophies, and we are within Chelsea’s range, I am generally impressed with our squad. If anything, the rest of the world should be ready for we will strike back next season. Remember the lean years and remember that we are going to be stronger.
I suppose everyone is trying to find the reason to why we went out, but we are supporters at the end of the day so we should show support when the team is going to be down, we have always had a never die attitude in support and it should continue, we can’t just follow and gloat when we win, we have to take defeat gracefully even though it hurts like F***, I’ve followed united since we signed Bryan Robson(captain marvel) & remi moses from westbrom and we didn’t get much in those days but you still support, there where days when I got ribbed by dippers, but our time has come and still here. Stop the knee jerk reactions fergie has the desire and passion to put this right he always does, so take heed. I remember the so called united fans shouting “fergie out” before we went on to win the fa cup, and what have we won since and remember that it doesn’t get any better than Sir Alex. Ask any players that, except beckham and RVN. Come on chaps, we going to be needed more than ever in the next few weeks. SHOW SUPPORT.
@”Dimitar Berbatov is King” – for the love of God, isn’t it time you changed your name?
@Fabio – Actually, Becks has said on many occasions he still considers Ferguson the best manager in the world.
@Fred: Not until he leaves the club, thank you very much.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row
Indeed mate, a bad week granted but lets take stock of what we have acheieved in recent times and understand we cant win it all.
Fans tearing the club apart from Phelan, to SAF, and all the players we want to buy is ridiculous. Far too many fans here talk about players they have never seen other than on champ manager?
were certain players to blame for last nigh? Of course there were and unfortunately for them that is the nature of the beast but it doesnt mean we are finished!
Too many people take the media’s enforsed opinion as gospel and then just regurgatate it on forums and that is when it winds me up.
Posters talking players from Lille, Lyon etc on the back of a big european night is a joke.
We play Blackburn on Sunday with a chance to go back to the top of the table, then that really does put pressure on Chels. Then if we manage to do City in their own manor even better knowing Chels have to go to Spurs the day after.
If we win the league the same posters will be hailing all that is correct with us yet not understanding they are typical journo rent boys being spoon fed the drivel they place on here!
Well, I think we should be aware that rafael was very good when he played, but he is young and learning. And sell Berbatov!!!!
@giggs11gerrard0: Couldn’t agree more. Chelsea can trip. No one expected them to trip at Blackburn, remember? But they did. They smashed Aston Villa 7-1, and only won by an offside goal against us. Come on, I am sure there will be teams able to trip them up.
And remember the times when it was liverpool’s year? I am glad on where we stand. Granted, it would be nice to see us in the semis of the CL, and we could be in a more commanding position, but it’s never our right to win. We have to earn that right.
So its up to the lads to bring up their game, show them the Man Utd way that we will never die.
@King Dimi, you might not have long to wait then.
I was pleased when we signed Carrick as I think he is a decent player. But this season, for me, he has been shit. Too many square balls and short back passes in dangerous areas have cost us. He was at fault for Liverpool’s opener at Old Trafford for dithering and was massively responsible for allowing Bayern back into the game when we was in total control. He has made a habit of that, he seems to think that he has the freedom when he is in the centre of midfield and because of that, he is continuously caught in possession. All he had to do yesterday was put that fucking ball into row z, but instead played a shit ball back to VDS and Olic pounced. I would have taken him off at half-time along with Rooney (protection purposes of course) and brought on Macheda and Berbatov. So even with the subsequent sending off, we would have still had a focal point with a large portion of the game remaining. I said to my mate, all we had to do was to hold out until half-time without conceding. Rafael’s sending off was fucking stupid and I have no sympathy for him. His first yellow was due to his kick at Van Bommel, reminiscent of Beckhams kick at Simeone at France ’98. And because of that, he was walking a bleedin tight rope. And because of that yellow card, from a position of control over Ribery, he lost his way and eventually received a second yellow and walked. He needs to grow up and I hope Neville has a word with him, because he showed last night that he has the potential to be a world class right-back. He was extremely unlucky not to score, although if I was slightly critical, I would have preferred it if he squared Rooney for an easy tap in, nevertheless he did well before his sending off. Nani was superb last night and he is at last showing the form of a player that made me extremely pleased to see us sign him back in the summer of 2007. Hope he keeps up the good work.
giggs11gerrard0 – hello mate.Great posts. Certainly do regurgitate what the cunts in the media tell them. The best comment is like you said people saying sign so and so from Lyon after ONE good performance. I would almost like to see us do shit for a season or so to seperate the proper fans from the glory cunts just like you stated. I bet my fucking house the fan numbers would dwindle.
zaddu – Sack Fergie and get Jose? Get a fucking grip son.
Whats this “di” about the dippers spending big? No chance pal they will be flogging the ladyboy come June.
Still gutted. Its harder to take than getting hammered 3-0. The fact we were 3 up. Still having nightmares about Ribery. What a horrible, aggressive little cunt. No wonder he has had about 21 clubs. And don’t get me started on the bald chelsea rentboy. aarrggg.
Anyway time to get on with the league now. IF we were to win that imagine how we would feel? 4 on the spin and number 19 is much more important to me than Europe. It is also very possible we could do it. Time for Pat to get a rest now with Sheasy back.
I see every paper is ripping us to shreds and saying we need a full rebuild again. Oh do fuck off.
As I watched Nani – easily our best player last night – tear Bayern to pieces, I thought about how certain United fans I know used to hate his guts and slag him off at every opportunity.
Those kind of people are what I like to call “know-nothing cunts.”
Nani, you did us proud last night.
In fairness I thought Rafael was having a superb game prior to his sending off but I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking I wish he’d hurry up and leave the pitch – we could have done with that extra minute he took.
… I wonder how many times people nee to say ‘rafael is young and learning’… no really?
@Fred, I hope you are wrong then.
North Stand – Some belting posts mate. Agree with every word you say. I have also been thinking of having a breather from here for a while. I just find myself getting wound up now. Oh to go back to the 80′s where you lost a game, got on with it then welcomed the next one. No Blogs, forums, championship managers, debates, etc. full of fucking clowns.
Alan Brazil was blaming big Edwin for Bayern’s first goal and that other twat Irani said Fletch went missing.
…. I so so hope Berba and Macheda start against Blackburn, go on fergie, you know the kid has the quality!
@King Eric
How we doing mate!
I am glad you agree mate, I try not to attack peoples opinions but this site is just rife with clowns! I cant read shit about sacking SAF or players from Lille, its that disgraceful its not even funny!
I am proper wounded going out after such a great performance from the lads! We actually won 3-2 having played 40 minutes with ten men! Its cruel when a 2-1 scoreline is better than 3-2
Like you say mate, write us of at your own peril, let the media have their usual wank fest of how Fergie got it wrong, and then let all the clowns just copy and paste it onto ROM.
In true Keegan fashion
I would love it, if we win the title this year!
@bchilds – yes, he pulled that same shit last time he got sent off. Eventually Neville had to practically push him off the pitch! (Thankfully no slaps though. – sorry, couldn’t resist.)
@Tony Stark – I agree about that front two for Blackburn.
Dimitar Berbatov is King….”Who knew Rooney has got what it takes to be at the very top”? Are you shitting me?
You say you started supporting United because of Berbatov, which means thats just under two years ago…are you seriously telling me that you didnt think Rooney had a chance of making it to the top back then? Or do you mean since he broke onto the scene? Let me try get my head round this….
At 16 with Everton, he was the most promising player in England since sliced bread, built like a brick shithouse. At 17 he was Englands one and only hope at the 2004 Euro Championships, and when he got injured in that tournament, England were clueless. He’s led Englands attack since, and from his Everton days and since he joined United for 25 million odd he has always had the look of a chap that would exactly make it all the way to the top?
Im baffled…but at least your comments are making the day pass by that bit quicker, so cheers I suppose?
i think we should replace carrick with someone who has more ability of ballkeeping. and imho rafa was briliant, kept fuckn riberry quiet for 50 min.
DIE YOU ROBBEN!! WHAT AN ARSE!!
Dimi is King – Sir Alex must have thought Rooney was gonna become a top player, after all he did pay up to 30 million for him.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row…
I started watching football because of Berbatov. He impressed me a lot when I was brought along to watch the Carling Cup final between Chelsea and Spurs. And when he signed for Man Utd I started following Man Utd seriously, and started to appreciate the history of the club and what it stands for. So you will forgive me when I say I didn’t really know much about Rooney back then, only snippets from some Man Utd fans.
I have read up on his potential, but the 2006 World Cup incident (I do watch the World Cup back then) made me felt that Rooney might not have the temper to succeed in the very top. Of course, one can say that he is so very young, but back then he gave the distinct impression of not being able to channel his energy.
However, while I expected Rooney to step up and lead our charge this season, never did I expect that he will do it this well and with aplomb. I expected around 25 goals from him but with the rest of the team contributing, and certainly with Berbatov and Owen in I expected a lot from them too. But Rooney went on such an impressive strike and he is scoring alot with his head, something that was not part of his strong suite back then. He impressed me for he became a more complete player, and showed that he can do a job at the very top.
@Dimitar Berbatov is King
He’s a nice guy but I’m sorry to tell you but it’s over for him at Old Trafford. SAF preferred to risk an injured Rooney rather than play a fully-fit Dimi last night. Then he preferred the pace and energy of Nani to lead the line when we went down to 10 men. Dimi only got on with 10 minutes left and I don’t remember him getting a single touch of the ball.
There’s a chance he might stay as back up to Rooney, but really what good is he if Fergie doesn’t trust his ability to play the lone striker role in Rooney’s absence? That’s why I think Fergie will try to get as much of that £31m back as he can before Berbie gets any older.
He’s a classy player but he doesn’t suit our style, nor does he have a strong enough mentality for United.
@fred; o.k so, everyone loves sir alex ferguson:), but the point is he still the best manager on the planet by a mile and has the desire and drive to pick us back up, remember that he’s his biggest critic and he knows best how to do something about it.
Berbatov = Veron
Very classy footballers that any team would have bought just dont fit into the United fabric.
Veron caused the same divide between fans because of his brilliance one week and then no show the next! Sparying passes with the outside of his foot over 30 yards then hitting a free kick into the top tier of the East stand!
Personally I don’t want to see Berba leaving. The guy has a lot of potential. He’s always been the same player as he was at Spurs. So we should (and we did) know what we would get when we bought him. For me I like his playing style, he reminds me of the great king Cantona (only without the sting
) But he can be dangerous if he plays behind the 2 strikers. I kind of like this role so at least he doesnt have to sprint forward when he clearly to slow to do that.
I hardly believe Sir Alex would ditch him next season (unless if he has to due to a financial reason). I think we will buy another striker (which I’m hoping it won’t be Dzeko) and try to play him behind Rooney and (insert your favorite striker but Dzeko).
The only one that I don’t want to see playing for the rest of the season is Carrick. Let him sort out whatever it’s in his head and weather or not he still wants to play for United. And let Hargo rests this season and come back fresh next season.
Dimitar Berbatov Farewell Tour 2010:
Sunday, 11 April 2010
Ewood Park, Hicksville
Blackburn v Man Utd, 13:30
Saturday, 17 April 2010
City of Manchester Stadium, Wastelands
Man City v Man Utd, 12:45 (Big game, he won’t play in that)
Saturday, 24 April 2010
Old Trafford, Manchester
Man Utd v Tottenham, 12:45 (might not play in that either)
Saturday, 1 May 2010
Stadium of Shite, Sunderland
Sunderland v Man Utd, 15:00 (will probably play in this one)
Sunday, 9 May 2010
Old Trafford, Manchester
Man Utd v Stoke, 15:00 (Berbatov’s last ever game for United)
Right lads, SSN are saying we’ve signed a striker called Hernandez, apparently he Mexican and saf horse won at aintree.
@giggs11gerrard0 – don’t laugh but come to think of it, we could have done with Veron last night.
@RadLegion, I agree that Carrick might have played his last game this season, maybe even his last game for United.
According to United’s website, he’s scored 21 goals from 28 starts, albeit in the Mexican league.
Visting various football blogs and reading the letters on Fotball365. it’s clearly a big day for ABU’s with Fergie bashing their favourite means of attack. I can take that from them …. they haven’t had that many opportunities in the last two decades …. But I really hate seeing it on here.
giggs11gerrard0 ….. I know we disagree re our owners but boy are you bang on with your posts.
Good man Fred, that made me laugh – not that I 100% agree, but it is quite possible that we might have seen the end of Berbatov.
Berbatov is King – fair enough, whatever way you want to see it regarding Rooney. I wasnt having a go, merely baffled!!!
So who dragged you to that cup final? And I suppose I have to ask, if Berbatov does leave this summer, would you start to support his new team?
@Fred
Only because Carrick was so shit though! lol
Check this out!
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BF9E570E6%2D407E%2D44BC%2D800F%2D4A3110258114%7D&newsid=6647972
Willie Red, just came on to post that – good work! Another young striker…Anyone get the feeling we wont be buying a striker in the summer!!
Yes, lets blame Rafael. A 19 year old, quality young full back who made a silly mistake. Lets not blame Gary Neville for his stupid handball in the first leg or Evra for his messing around for their second goal in the first leg or Carrick for the two goals last night. lets blame Rafael. Way to support our young players! Lets put all the blame on his shoulders. (/sarcasm). I am not blaming anyone. We are Manchester United and we lose as a team!
I thought Rafael, along with Nani was excellent.
I will say one thing, that time when Rafael ran from one half to the other which started with a tackle and nearly ended in a wondered goal was more running than Berbatov has done in two years for us! And the reaction from the crowd when Berbatov came on said it all. Hardly a thunderous reception like it would have been had it been certain other forwards because no one expected him to do anything! The fact that Fergie started a half fit Rooney over him said it all
Welcome to Old Trafford Chicharito!!!!
Here’s the letter I sent to Fooball365 … Don’t expect it will be posted!
As a United supporter, I knew today I was in for some stick! A team that has won as much as we have builds up a lot of resentment and over the last few years we haven’t given ABU’s much to cheer about. But the fact is last night hurts and as much as I know if it were Everton or Fulhum who were knocked out of Europe on away goals having taken the game to the Germans, scoring three great goals in the first 40 mins and having a soft sending off after 55 mins, there would have been some sympathy in the media …. MUFC and their supporters get none and deserve done.
Why? Because we don’t need any. We’ve had unprecedented success over the last couple of decades, score more than our fair share of last minute goals and have the biggest fan base in the world. So no-one’s going to mention Bayern’s good fortune scoring with the last kick of the game in the first leg or that Ribery exaggerated the contact Rafeal made on him and then bullied the ref to get him sent off or that the German Champions looked like Portsmouth for the first 40 mins. No. They will pick on Fergie’s comment about the cheating Germans (despite the fact that if it was England they would have said the same thing) and second guess his tactics with the ease of hindsight.
They have the right and they deserve the chance to ridicule United because … yes …. Fergie’s is a bad loser, he absolutes hates losing and that’s a big part of what makes him the serial winner he and his United have been for the last two decades.
So next season we will have Owen, Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez, Diouf, Macheda, Welbeck
Something’s got to give!
Looks like Villa wont be coming then
HERNANDEZ !!
CHICARITO IS HERE!
VIVA CHICARITO!!!!
I wonder if he’ll wear the number 9 shirt?
Seen enough of Carrick and fucking `Berba` to last me a lifetime. Tottenham must be laughing all the way to the bank collecting on these two. Never manchester united players. Enough please.
RE: Sayyid.
I don’t think Berbatov will be here next season.
Sayyid – Two things, you’re right we’ll be over loaded up front, but at least we’ll have options. David Villa was never a likely target at that price.
Davey Mack, F365 is run by Arsenal fans. It’s one of the most ABU websites out there.
But never mind that now…
ALL HAIL CHICHARITO THE KING
The King is dead, long live the King!
@Sayyid – Agreed, 2 of those will have to go. Welbeck and Diouf out on Loan next season?
Hopefully Hernandez will be going to the World cup so we can take a closer look there.
Anyone else think the timing in which this was announced is significant? Maybe a ‘pick me up’ following last night?
Cue the youtube highlights that will make him appear to be better than Messi!
Twitter is going crazy with this incredible news:
“woke up to the news that Javier ‘Chicharito’ Hernandez will be signed with Manchester United!! So proud of him!!!!”
“Yep I think it is true!! Chicharito is going to ManU”
“WTF Manchester United signed EL Chicharito”
This has rocked the football world!
@The Shankill Skinhead
to be fair Carrick has been class for two seasons, up to last year’s CL final
the penalty miss at Burnley was a disgrace
he cannot control a match any more, or play through balls. Just sideways and back. At least Gibson would score at least 12 goals a season if he played the amt of games Carrick does
i gotta tell you throughout this week i just realize how much i love watching United! yes, the game broke my soul last night, yes, it was tough seeing the lads being tired against the West London douchebags, but although i was gutted, i kept thinking about what an amazing team we have and have had over the years… so now it’s the time to look up and on – we are still at the top of football and some MINOR adjustments this summer will do us well…
one thing that has been on my mind so a while is getting one/more of the lads to be the next Paul Scholes. my favorite player of all times, been watching him since Day 1.. the maestro that the more you play and understand this game, the more you see his legendary value… maybe Darren Fletcher FG can be it!
that’s all i wanted to see. felt phisically sick yesterday, but a full game outdoors game last night and looking at this in perspective has been a lot of help…
say (not see)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
Boy wonder ?
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row: No worries, just letting you know. I was there because a friend of mine was going to enlist in the army (I am Singaporean) and he asked me to go. Couldn’t say no, and I was glad I didn’t. I will continue to support him as a player, but I will be here because the history of the club. I was also fortunate enough to be at Old Trafford before during the summer of 2006 for a study trip (back when I know little on football, but still appreciated the history of the club as a neutral). Will give a lot to go again. Just being in the stadium was electrifying.
giggs11gerrard0: Veron’s classy no doubt. I really hope it works out for Berbatov and he doesn’t leave because he is a really good player in my humble opinion.
But let’s face it, Berbatov aside, our squad has looked a little out of sorts in recent games. If anything else, we must get our act together for the last 5 matches and pray that the footballing gods pull a trick on those aging legs on the rentboys.
@Fred
he could be another Forlan
if we buy South American players, then we must play them week in week out like Valencia to get the best out of them
lets not rush to conclusions about this guy but with Owen’s injuries, Diouf/Macheda/Welbeck all way behind Rooney, lets hope he’s the real deal
Yes Sayyid you hit the nail on the head mate. Carrick would find it hard to control a pushbike to be honest. He looks fine in a good team when things are going well but the man who`s shirt number he took really is everything he is not.
Oh, welcome to Old Trafford, Chicharito.
Question…has anyone seen him in action? I know I haven’t.
VIVA HERNANDEZ
VIVA HERNANDEZ
WE DON’T NEED BENZEMO
WE’VE GOT CHICHARITO
VIVA HERNANDEZ
Fred … I hear what you say about Football365 … Don’t know why I go back there but on days like this sometimes it feels like you just want to get all the shit out of the way so you can begin to move on!!
giggs11 … your Kegan line holds so true…. “I would just love it if we won the league this year” … Odds are against it ….. so you never know. Being 4 in a row and 19 and comming after this …it may just be the best yet.
@Dimitar Berbatov is King – I haven’t either but I know he’s better than Berbatov
Unlike most of the posters here my mood went from bad to worse.
i don’t know how i would survive the summer. i am wondering how is suhayl.
I hate to say it AGAIN on here, but, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PURPOSE OF BERBAFLOP? When SAF wont even play him, even though it meant playing WITHOUT a striker what does THAT tell us? ANOTHER bad buy from SAF. Why the fuck doesnt he just admit defeat and sell the cnut. Nani was twice the striker Berbaflop will ever be last night. And you know what THAT makes us dont you? yes, a ONE MAN TEAM. Even poor wazza couldnt produce the goods last night , but no fuckin wonder. he was STILL injured FFS. GREAT move Fergie, must be on a par with NOT buying TEVEZ eh? What a plonker.At least he has realised that Dads Armys time is up with Gibbo Valencia and even Rapheal proving that they should be played on a regular basis despite the end result.
Fergies been great for us, but FFS he should go NOW before he fucks everything up.
(Wazza will now be out for the Derby tks to him, and you KNOW that TEVEZ will rip us apart)NICE ONE Fergie.
You wanted a striker you got one. You didn’t get a Villa or Aguero like a lot of people on here are having a boner about all the time. We’ll see how good this guy is. We’ve signed a defender and a striker but the position that needs addressing has been ignored so far lets hope the cheque book comes out one more time for that defensive midfielder we desperately need.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
Javier Hernandez, fred lol.
@Sayyid
I hope so, Forlan is class!
I’m not jumping to any conclusions but I predict this guy will win the golden boot at the World Cup, and the European golden boot and Ballon d’Or next season as he fires us to the Treble!
HALLELUJAH! PRAISE CHICHARITO!
@middyred
drink a few hard ones, my friend!!! sorry to tell you but you know NOTHING!
Viva Hernandez, Viva Hernandez…Came from Mexico, We call him Chicharito, Viva Hernadez!!!
or
Viva Hernandez, Viva Hernandez…They call him Chicharito, What it means we dont know, Viva Hernadez!!!
or
Viva Hernandez, Viva Hernandez…He’s all we can afford, til we sack the whole board, Viva Hernadez?
“Fergies been great for us, but FFS he should go NOW before he fucks everything up.
(Wazza will now be out for the Derby tks to him, and you KNOW that TEVEZ will rip us apart)NICE ONE Fergie.”
You fucking cunt, Fergie can do what the fuck he wants without being questioned. He’s earned the right.
If he decides to sell Rooney and play Ralph Milne up front, I’m not going to question him. This man has earned the right to never be fired. He’s brought us level with Liverpool on titles, something many thought was unachievable.
Fucking tosser.
middyred
would you just fuck off already..
- branding us a one man team
- disrespecting the great SAF
- throwing support towards city player
- —-||—— shit towards utd player
- ———–||————— scholes, giggs, neville – legends..
- suggesting that the biggest cunt in the game – tevez will rip us a part
again, fuck off you dirty scumbag
FUCK SAKE WHAT A NIGHT…..lucky the cops understood about the result etc..
Gone through 40 malboro reds since last night and now my throat is burning…no girlfriend to take it out on…damn fuckin shame…..
@Notorious – No, we didn’t get Villa or Aguero – we got both of them rolled into one, with a dash of Messi and a just hint of Dong Fangzhuo! Believe me, this boy is the real deal.
@Corea – fuck the European Cup, WE’VE GOT CHICHARITO!!!
middyred: Glory hunter much? Ferguson has given Old Trafford the ultimate service in this mercenary-filled world.
willierednut: He looks good, good awareness. Hope he can bring his form into the English game.
Fred: Come on…be nice.
Carrick’s had a bad season but he doesn’t deserve to go in my opinion. He played a huge part in our last 3 seasons so he can’t be useless. It fucks me off when people just think every problem is sold by just going ‘HE’S SHIT SELL HIM BUY X Y AND Z AND WE WILL WIN FOR SURE’. If that was the case we would have sold Nani and Fletcher a long time ago. We have a manager who is capable of turning anyones career around who has talent. Carrick and Berbatov definitely have talent as we’ve all seen it, so if anyone can get them back on track it’s Sir Alex.
As regards to our striker overload, I think at least one of: Macheda, Welbeck and Hernandez will need to be on loan.
As far as the result last night, I got over it pretty quickly. I was not even close to being as upset as I was after Chelsea or Bayern away because we didn’t even give an account of ourselves there. We played our fucking hearts out yesterday, every single player (and I include Carrick in that, he may not have had a good game but he was trying his fucking heart out, you see the reverse angle of Robbens goal? He was the first one charging out and trying to get a block on that shot. Thats why I value him as a United player, he may not have played that well recently yeah. But over the past 4 years he has been MASSIVE for us, played more than any of our other midfielders and he clearly loves United, something you can never guarantee with one of those replacements that people are so ready to offer.), we gave an account of ourselves yesterday. I’m not even angry with Rafael because he schooled one of the supposed best wingers in the world for 45 minutes, but he let the occaision get to him, I think he was too eager to make amends for missing that shot in the first half, Rooney screaming at him probably didn’t work. I have so much faith in Rafael.
As regards to Berbatov, I feel the same about him as I did about Nani at Christmas, I know he can turn it around. I’m desperate for him to be here next season and if we play 4-4-2 more with 2 centre mids of Hargreaves and Fletcher I think it would serve him really well in big games.
@North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row – class songs, mate.
Rumours suggest he cost £12m, can that be right? You’re not gonna believe this but “El Chicharito” means “The Little Pea”
See if you can incorporate that into a song for him. 
boogeman – Just ignore that wankstain he’s looking for attention.
@Fred: Why not the quad while you are at it? We did get the realistic chance only last season, what’s to say we can’t do it again?
@willierednut -love the vid. I cheered every goal like it was Ole at the Nou Camp. This is the greatest day of my life! HE’S HERE! HE’S REALLY HERE!
@Dimi the King – I didn’t want to go over the top or anything.
Fred – He’s called the little pea, hope it doesn’t too long to come out of his shell.
@ Fred
have you actually seen him play 90 minutes?
Lets see what he does at the World Cup
Remember Manucho, the new Adebayor!
Middyred, something tells me you aint a United fan, so I wont even bother responding. Nice try at a wind up though. Piss off.
just looking at Javier Hernandez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
goal at 2 minutes in, sweet baby jesus its good
@ middyred .. fuck off and support Citeh then you twat
@middyred
go fuck off somewhere else u idiot
He’s so handsome too!
Picture of him with the shirt at OT!!!!! http://img.skysports.com/10/04/800×600/JavierHernandez_2440465.jpg
I think its fitting now that we signed our first Mexican player to celebrate the signing by drinking some tequila. Tequila is awsome, i also drank tequila last night to drown my sorrows.
I like so many on here am absolutely gutted…like someones died…but i dont know how to mourn yet.
In a way its easier to take when you get raped like arseholes did, that whay you have no excuses and can take it on the chin.
But the lads did us proud and 11 v 11 we would have won….not going to get too critical on individual players…but yes
Rooney gamble was correct
That shows SAF how much trust and faith he has in berbs..never been a hater nor a lover…always sat on the fence with him…but shows you can gloss it up all you like…lies damn lies and statistics…he just aint effective for us.
And Rafael…i agree with scott, sorry posters…i think he’s going to be awesome…i thought for 50 he was our best player, the kids hugely talented…but the naivety needs to be cut out, call the germans cheating bastards…or clever cunning typical krauts who played him. Maybe both. But we do know theyre the masters off it.
No need to retaliate with petulance with the 1st yellow…and like so many on here i predicted and said at HT, he’s goin to get a red, i kept saying to myself…hope SAF has words….hope SAF has words. And inevitably he did…yes soft yellow, yes germans crowded ref, yes they played him, yes ref was soft. BUT WHY TUG THE SCARFACE BACK, WHEN HE’S GOING NOWHERE AND WE HAVE 4 COVERING. And what the hek was he doing in centre mid?
This is the first time either
1. Went awol in carling cup final…lost his man agbonyouwhore…vidic lucky no red
2. Bellamy carling semi…caught out of position..pen
3. Carling cup…wolves red
4. San siro…went awol in the middle of the park, lost the ball…seedorf goal
Yep he’s young etc……but his brashness, over enthusiasm, gun ho ness needs to be slapped out off him asap….cos he’s clearly not learning from his mistakes
@Sayyid – 90 minutes? I’d not seen him play 90 seconds til 5 minutes ago.
Sometimes you just know.
@ Spencer
“I will say one thing, that time when Rafael ran from one half to the other which started with a tackle and nearly ended in a wondered goal was more running than Berbatov has done in two years for us! And the reaction from the crowd when Berbatov came on said it all. Hardly a thunderous reception like it would have been had it been certain other forwards because no one expected him to do anything!”
Pointless, pathetic, irrelevant, transparent agenda-driven bollocks.
Viva Hernandez, viva Hernandez… They call him ‘Little Pea’, why we signed another small unknown striker fucking beats me, viva Hernandez!!!
@Peter – have one for me, pal.
First Mexican to play for United, who’d've thunk it?
It’s no overstatement to say that this is the greatest day in the history of Mexico.
From Hernandez’s wikipedia page:
After the news had broke, Ferguson told the United website, “OMG this guy is going to be fuchin mint, we’re gonna win da quadruple, fo sho. There’s no question about that”.
Where we lost the game and tie?
1. the 20 secs car crash in munich……rooney ankle when he was about to get the ball of gomez..ball ricocheting and 5 players letting olic nip in and score…without that..any win would have done us.
2. Rooney unfortunately twisting his ankle again…very freaky, if not for that we would have won the game with his pace and power even with 10 men
3. Rafael red
4. Olic AGAIN……so softly allowed in to give them some hope at such a crucial crucial time
5. Rightback issue…what a shame we ve missed our first choice rightbacks this year in Brown and Sheasy…cos in the allianz it was proved our legend nevo has the best brain for a fullback…but not the energy and legs AND at old trafford it was shown Rafeal has all the talent and legs and energy…but no brain.
gutted
@Fred
Weren’t you posting just about a week ago about how Berba has been proving you wrong? I see this defeat has brought you back on the bandwagon. Well done. Seems as though you cannot make a single post without somehow mentioning Berbatov- bizzare really… especially after last night, clearly it was his fault that we crashed out of Europe.
dont know if you guys heard we bought a lad from guadaljara (Team thats top of the mexican league) named Javier hernandez 21 Years old.
@Fred
“It’s no overstatement to say that this is the greatest day in the history of Mexico”
I think indepence in 1821, or hosting the World Cup were greater days!
No thats the first we heard of that Macheda IS GOD, do tell???
Someone’s having fun on Hernandez’ wikipedia page.
” He is a distant cousin of a Chikorita. ”
The word Chikorita links to a list of Pokemons
If O’Shea and Wesley can stay fit, and Neville gets a new deal, i’d be sorely tempted to loan Rafael out for a season and let him learn from his mistakes elsewhere, where he’s playing every week and can iron things out of his game – like his piss poor positioning – without it costing us games. I think he can be quality in the long term, but he is so raw he’s a liability at times.
@ sanj
Spot on… somehow, one way or another, Berbatov is the guilty one again… maybe SAF wanted Rooney in for another reason… been watching the manager for 20 years, you can definitely say that he has pulled different tricks many, many times… so i am not so sure it was distrust in Berbatov..
anyway, i am fucking sick of all these arguments.. cause they were the same about Nani a few months back, and the same about Fletcher a few years back…
Fair play Fred, you’re in good form today!!!
Chicharito doesnt look too bad, according to the 15 seconds on youtube (although The Dong looked great in there aswell). How are his goals 5 and 4 ahead of goal 6 in his top ten?
Even more galling is the fact we could have got revenge on barca…yes barca are awesome blah blah fuckin blah…but dont think the same would have happended to us again…and what an easy semi draw.
Also the fact how the fuck we knocked out by a pile of shite in bayern…what a shite team…3 or 4 defeats in the group stages…got thru the back door…..then got an easy draw in fiorentina, who wacked em in the allianz, van bommel and klose both escaped with leg breakin challenges, robben got that jimmy sent off, when it wasnt even an elbow…then klose scored when he was 10 yards offside….we think dogs offside was bad. Then in florence fiorentina wacked em for 60 mins and robben saved their arses..away goals win. And with us a dodgy red…and again away goals win…
Fuck sake they havent even won a tie outright and are thru to the semis…..
Bar barca…worst semi final line up since porto played monaco in the final
Chivas Guadalajara is one of the big teams in Mexico – there are 90 million people in Mexico (1.e., 50% more than in the British Isles) and the Mexican national team is ranked just about the same as Ingerland. But what you MUST KNOW about Chivas is that their team shirt has “BIMBO” printed across the chest. Priceless.
The YouTube video of Javier’s top ten goals shows us several things – he’s courageous, two-footed, and clever with an eye for goal/space. But he’s been playing in a league that is less competitive than the EPL so – as with Diouf – it’s hard to tell if he can make the jump up a level. I suppose that he’s got something more than a “puncher’s chance” to do so.
@suhayl
spot on about CL semis
everything conspiring against UTD and for the lucky Germans. I hope Inter win in, otherwise Barca to spank those Germans 5-0
@ Fred. So you’re an avid follower of the Mexican league then? Lets not get ahead of ourselves, whilst I’m not doubting this boys ability lets not hail him the new messiah just yet.
hernandez?????????????????????
who the fuck is this muppet….we need proven strikers/midfielders…not a another punt and gamble who ‘may mature’ in 5 years time.
BOLLOCKS…
Anyway, welcome to OT…join the reserves with diouf, obertan……join the potential team
fuck sake…fuck this…im going to get us a serious billionaire buyer…
I wonder if he’s still at OT? Only one way to find out… how many autographs am I asking for, fellas?
King – Eric – Don’t put talkshite on mate.
Time to sell berbaflop.
North stand C’mon
I as much excited as you lot are
I know you guys know we signed him i just wanted to get in the topic
@suhayl
Last summer people like you were begging united to sign Ribery for £50m – yet in the last week we’ve learned two things:
1. He’s a twat
2. Nani and Valencia both played him off the park.
We’ve not even signed the guy Hernandez yet. Its all subject to a work permit which could easily go tits up.
guys………..Hernandez is homosexual!!!!! damn it!
@chimshira
It’s a lost cause. United win and lose as a team, but this defeat has somehow been placed squarely on the shoulders of Berbatov by many supporters. You’d think that he played the entire 2 legs and was complete rubbish. He was a substitute in both legs, yet is being maligned constantly on this thread, Fred even posting his “farewell tour.” If I were to place the blame on any player though I wouldn’t, it would surely be Carrick, Rafael, or Neville… definitely not Berbatov, though blaming him is so predictable. Rather than attributing the blame to the players that actually played, people are blaming the one guy that barely featured! Look how many posts in this thread mention him- It’s remarkable to be honest. Before everyone jumps down my throat, I FULLY UNDERSTAND the criticisms of Berbatov, some of them are definitely deserving, but this time it’s just ridiculous.
suhayl
If we do sell berbaflop we might buy Dzeko
Fuck dimitar i hate him
honest he’s boring me to bits doing absoulutley nothing
We also desperately, desperately need a midfielder. We really missed the boat on Sneijder.
Riberys going to spain, apparently his wife doesn’t like the cold.
@Notorious –
@Macheda is GOD
You are slagging off Berbatov for “doing absoulutely nothing” yet you post under the moniker “Macheda is GOD.” Oh, the irony.
bigphil…im never up for splashing out silly money…and going mad like the fascists…..but incase ypu forgot..last year we lost the best player in the world…and we got 80 mill…..and unprecedented summer.
comprende?????
I DONT WANT TO GO SILLY THIS SUMMER EITHER……FIRSTLY WE’RE NOT GOING TO, SECONDLY NO MATTER WHAT PEOPLE THINK VILLA, SILVA ETC ETC ETC….wont come to utd, they’ll go to the big spanish clubs, culture weather etc etc etc etc OR to city and chelski with thier billionaire owners…who will be willing to pay 100 mill for their services and put em on 500k a week.
THAT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN AT UTD.
And yes i dont want us to keep buying these unheard off players…who may or may not cut in prem…who MAY have potential….WHO may mature etc etc etc. We ve got tooooooooooooooooooo many of them…gbison, obertan, diouf etc etc
We need a proven striker…yesterday fuckin showed that we cant keep relying on wazza
And we need a central midfielder IF anderson doesnt get his fuckin head right and pull his finger out…..or HARGO our world class warrior doesnt ever play again for us…with these prolonged fitness injury issues
Thankyou and Goodbye
I am a mexico man and watch these men much. Hernadez make Ronaldo look like a bad buy. Wait you see.
can anyone confirm for me if Hernandez is actually gay, not that i have anything against it but its just interesting! lol
Scott,
I’m sorry but Carrick was more to blame for our boot out of Europe then Rafael .. he’s played like a
man who couldn’t give an arse for a number of weeks now. I think he may actually be enept … currently Hargreaves is a sick note, Scholes is running out of time and Giggs is just back to fitness .. we can’t and shouldn’t reply on Scholes and Giggs .. and Hargreaves too .. we need David Silva … BTW .. what a horrible piece of work is Ribéry .. MAY HE NEVER BE GIVEN A CONTRACT AT UTD … let him boil the other side of his face before that happens ..
There was nothing good to come out of this game. No one played well, Berba is twice the flop that Shevchenko was, and there is little to no hope for the future. I doubt we could even afford him but Sir Alex MUST try to buy Ribery – the man is a magician who made our “team” look like the twats that they are.
@suhayl
“3. Carling cup…wolves red”
That was Fabio wasn’t it?
FYI – United just signed best young striker in Mexico, Javier Hernandez from Chivas.
@Sanj – you’re flogging a dead horse, mate. No-one cares about Berbatov any more. He’s the past, El Chicharito is the future.
If you read my post properly you’d see that I wasn’t just slagging him off for the sake of it, I was explaining to his biggest fan on here why I think his days are numbered at United (being dropped again, Fergie’s reluctance to bring him on, his lack of impact when he did come on, etc.)
And now we have the most compelling evidence of all: the signing of EL CHICHARITO!
Look, Sanj, you’re obviously very attached to Berbatov but I bet when “Cheech” is banging them in for fun next season, you’ll be saying “Dimitar who?”
I think Hargo’s coming back soon and he WILL be fit for next season. Ando will get his form back. Nani will blossom.
Keep the faith.
It’s quite sad and depressing to see that there can be such fans who hate a player because they played so little yet gets all the slag.
I do feel that these are the kind of fans that made ABU have legs. Glory hunters they are after all. But remember, all empires must fall, and we are no exception, but our capacity to bounce back knows no bounds. At least I respect some parts of the Liverpool fans for that. The ones I respect are willing to support their team despite the rough patch and truly support the team, unlike the glory hunters who sully the name Manchester United.
Even if we get second after the final five, if the lads showed the kind of energy and passion they did in the first half, I will be more than satisfied. At least this shows we got fight and deserve the right to win, unlike those who seem to believe we are born with the right to win.
wakey…it may have been fabio…they both look the same…so im going to blame the whole family…lol
Na mate..take no3 out…still leaves 3 major times he should have learnt from
I am a little pea
I love the sky and the trees
I’m a teeny tiny little ant
Checking out this and that
I am nothing
Ahhhahhhh
So you have nothing to hide
And I’m a pacifist
So I can fuck your shit up
Oh yeah I’m small
Oh yeah I’m small
Fuck you asshole
You homophobic redneck dick
You’re big and tough and macho
You can kick my ass
So fucking what (x4)
There you go, a readymade song for El Chicharito.
FYI- This is Pea by Red Hot Chili Peppers. Actually, it’s just their bassist Flea playing and singing.
@suhayl
While we may need a proven striker the problem is no proven striker is going to sign for us as they won’t get played because it seems that Rooney up on his own is Fergies tactic of choice now.
Its why imho that Berba is struggling because when he gets game time its often up on his own which doesn’t suit him. He needs a partner to compliment him (Based on pre-season he actually seemed to gel pretty well with Owen)
Lets get serious. No one is predicting that this Mexican striker is going to make at United …how could they? But suggesting we shouldn’t buy young international players that haven’t yet made it is ridiculous.
The only transfer gripe I really have is that we missed out Wesely Snyider when we were negotiating Ronaldo’s transfer with the facists. I’m conveinced he would have been huge in this league.
@Fred
I do have a soft spot for Berba, but I hope you are right about El Mexicano Pele.
@Dave Mack
Agree completely about Sneijder, posted that same thing earlier.
@RedDevil – Cheech is definitely not gay. He gets more chocha in one night that you’ll get in your lifetime, pendejo.
a good word for Rafael:
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1716/champions-league/2010/04/08/1869502/former-manchester-united-full-back-viv-anderson-rafael-da
@NotoriousRedDevil
Nah it won’t hit the issues that Lajic had with his. The first application will get turned down as he doesn’t meet the automatic requirements but the appeal will be accepted due to the ‘special talent’ because unlike Lajic he has full caps because the Home Office are basically clueless and put too much empahsis on factors like this when deciding potential (Its why Diouf and Tosic got theirs also despite being considered to have less potential than Lajic)
dave mack…im not against the odd young international talent here and there..
BUT really…diouf, obertan, hernandez, petrucci etc etc….
Really ITS a big if if anyone of these make it at utd…will they mature…will they make it to the first team????????
All conjecture…..
ive seen all these guys play…..and i say in ajose, will keane etc we ve got just as good a players in our academy and reserve team.
Thats the point…scholes nevo, giggs, becks all came through…since then its been barren
And i dont want to fill our reserves up with hopes waiting for the next big egg to pop…cos in recent seasons so many havent lived up to the hype and have been sold or loaned out…..plenty sold plenty loaned out.
i just want a player or two who can make a difference to the first team now…not possibly in 5 years time
@suhayl
That is the risk you take when developing youth- they are hit or miss. We can stick to our academy and our philosphy, or we can wait until they become established stars and then what? Splash out Fascist sums of money? No thanks- we may have crashed out of Europe, but our philosophy of focusing on youth development is dead fucking on.
“Lets get serious. No one is predicting that this Mexican striker is going to make at United”
Speak for yourself, mate.
You fellas are right about us missing the boat with Sneijder. That guy is pure class.
@DaveMack – your right about buying unproven international talent, because Barca signed Messi when he had yet to PROVE himself, and we all see how that turned out!
Did Mexico qualify for the world cup?
suhayl – That was a one off when Becks and co came through, but i do agree with you that it’s been sparse since then.
You bet they did, mate. They’re going to win it too.
@willierednut
Yep, Group A. France, South Africa, and Uruguay.
sanj..hold your horses lad….youre’ jumping the gun a bit there…
i DIDNT SAY I DONT WANT OUR YOUNG GUNS TO PROSPER…….infact im more up for bleeding our british youngsters more than anyone…hence i follow every reserve and academy game……i love matty james…love will keane…love ajose etc…i want these guys to make it….and it has grated at me that we havent fullfilled our youth potential since that golden generation came through..
but since then we ve been filling our academy and reserves with players we have high hopes for…then mcguiness and boys realise they’re not quite good enough for the first team…then get sold and loaned out…….its been happening with alarming frequency…james, cleverly, eagles, possebon, tosic, heaton, brandy, welbeck etc etc
That upsets me.
AND secondly read any of my posts…im not a fan of breaking the bank fascists style….firstly we would never do it, we would never pay it and thirdly its not our way to spend like chelski shitty or real..
Just want some middle ground…young players..who can contribute in the near future…
i mean ive got no beef with this lad hernandez…but scoring a million goals in mexico..doesnt mean shit to me….even if he’s a incredulius talent…it will take him 3 seasons atleast to get upto pace with the prem….and after that then still who knows..
hope im proved wrong though
RE: Dong, Manucho etc
Its easy to slag these players off but they were players who did show some potential, the problem with buying any player from a foreign league is its a risk because its a different type of football in England and many of the young Foreign strikers we have signed in the past is they just haven’t adapeted to the style, it doesn’t mean they weren’t worth buying though (Look at Forlan, there is little doubting that while he is one of the top strikers in Spain but he struggled with the pace of the game in England). You simply can’t tell until they have been signed if they will make it or not
With Javier Hernandez it will all be about how he settles to the English game and also how much of a chance he also gets to adapt to the English game. He may fit right in and be like Ruud or Ole or he may struggle and end up being like Dong, Manuchio or Forlan. Either way its worth a try, with Kiko, Welbeck, Diouf and him (And some of the other young strikers coming through the ranks) we atleast have a good selection to find a gem from and even if only one comes good it will be money well spent.
Lovely words from Viv Anderson. Yes, Rafael screwed up badly last night with a couple of aberrations, but let’s not forget that he had old Scarface, supposedly one of the best wingers in the world, in his pocket for most of the night.
Stirring words from young Darron Gibson too:
“We cannot lie down and let the whole season go. It is either that or we stand up and fight and go for the championship. I cannot describe the disappointment but we have to pick ourselves up for Blackburn Rovers on Sunday. We are still in the race for the title. We have the experience in the dressing room to stand up and fight back. There are lads in there who have been in this position before and done it before. We have the characters and experienced players to pick ourselves up and I think we will be all right.”
Sanj – Cheers mate, i think they could get second in that group and we’ll get a close look at Hernandez.
Why are we buying this Hernandez guy when we should be going for the likes of Dzeko and Villa?
This just proves that we are well fukking SKINt!!
WE ARE BUYING HERNANDEZ BECAUSE WE ARE FUKKING SKINT!!!!
@suhayl
I feel you, mate. As you said, a ‘middle-ground’ would be nice. It’s terribly frustrating, hopefully it will pay off in the long run. I understand your impatience (if that’s even the right word) though. I do have high hopes for Cleverley, definitely looks like a first-teamer. Tosic also seems to score everywhere he plays, not sure why he has never really been given a chance (yet). I know you would never want us to break the bank, but I feel like those are the options these days- either be patient and hope you’ve discovered a gem or wait until it’s known around the world and you’re forced to spend preposterous sums of money. I’ll take our approach, that was my point- didn’t mean to imply otherwise. Cheers.
@willierednut
I agree. France is absolute rubbish. I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t even make the knockout round.
I’m scouting Mexico this World Cup, as I too want to join in the game.
I shall report here if there are any United material players in Mexico.
suhayl says:
“AND secondly read any of my posts…im not a fan of breaking the bank fascists style….firstly we would never do it, we would never pay it and thirdly its not our way to spend like chelski shitty or real.”
How much did we pay for:-
Wazza
Rio
Berbatov
Veron
Hargreaves
Carrick
????????.
zaddu- You’re typing in caps because you’re a fucking retard.
Also, I know you’re a WUM, trying to get a reaction and some attention, and you got mine. Well done, you stupid cunt.
Liked what Viv said about Rafeal.
Everyone watching knew that the early yellow for retaliation had Ribery rubbing his hands. The kid was playing a so called E50m+ player off the park. The second he laid a finger on Ribery there was only one thing on that twat’s mind. Get him sent off.
He’ll learn. Instead of this being the night that the media could have been singing his praises for keeping Ribery out of the game …he’s the scapegoat for United’s failure.
I only hope he appreciate’s that it’s United who’s paying his tution bill and when he matures into one of the top wing backs in the world he’ll remember that it’s MUFC who deserve to earn the dividend.
reserves on now LIVE
zaddu-
For each of those players, I give you
Ole
Neville
Cantona
Butt
Scholes
How much did we pay for each of them?
I know you’re either a bitter or a dipper, the former most likely, but still for some reason I am trying to talk to you.
For all we know this “Chicharito” could be a masterstroke, but i got to share the opinion of some on here and say that this is another unknown early 20′s/late teen coming into our club and doesn’t sound like someone who will (be able to) play for the 1st team straight off the bat and will most likely need a yr or 2 on off in reserves before becoming a regular on saf team sheet.
it’s all very well building for the future but we do need to get in at least one proven name in the front/midfield that the majority have heard of if only to get the fans and current utd players excited and re-inspired (for example perhaps rooney himself wasn’t able to do much on the pitch yesterday but i think his presence alone lifted the whole team and the fans and installed confidence that the desirable result was possible). if it is possible to sign a proven name over the summer with the way the big spenders are thinking these days not only will it strengthen us but will stop the teams who already have more talent than they deserve because of rich owners or friendly bankers (you know the teams i’m talking about) buying all the players they can just so that can hold all the cards – fantasy football should only be played on games consoles and the worlds proven top talent should be shared out fairly evenly between the worlds 10-16 (?) top clubs, not just 3 or 4 – football has not sold it’s soul completely just yet (though a few clubs have obviously forgotten that football is not a gloried business and have lost their way).
It does make you wonder though with all the young talent that saf has bought over the last 2-3 yrs which the majority won’t probably be 1st team material for at least another couple of years, how long is the gaffer planning to stay. Perhaps he is just putting in foundations for the next man in charge but i would of thought a new manager would want as clean a slate as possible and choose his own youth to nurture – plus i get the impression that with new youth coming in like macheda, obertan, diouf, welbeck, the da silva twins, this Chicharito and evans & gibson to an extent, the manager wants to nurture and see this next generation through to the 1st team before passing on a hopefully new mature but relatively young utd team over to a new manager – it’s a theory!!
@theboogeyman
Lets keep it civil mate.
All Im saying is that we should be going for the likes of Dzeko and Villa,and not some 21 year old.
@theboogeyman
I have supported UTD since the days of Big Ron,Gary Bailey, Arthur Albiston,Frank Stapleton,Viv Anderson,Remi Moses,Jesper Olssen et al!!!
zaddu- I’m all for keeping it civil, but saying Fergie should be sacked always pisses me off and makes me lose all respect for the person who said it.
We should be buying these youngsters instead of these expensive players who may or may not succeed.
Dzeko wants to play in Italy, Villa wants to stay in Spain and he’s 29 on top of that.
No thanks.
I can’t be bothered reading all the comments, but I went to see Hernandez play for Chivas last year when I was in Mexico and he was like a whippet. He has energy and enthusiasm and skill and can finish too. And he is only 21. Also, he’s scored 4 in 4 for Mexico so he is able to transfer his form to that level.
If he can bring his form to England, then we have a star. As he is 21, I’d put money on him transferring that form and becoming a very good player for us. Those of you who may be wondering why Ferguson hasn’t thrown money at Valencia for Villa or Madrid for Benzema just need to remember that most of us hadn’t ever seen Cristiano Ronaldo, Nemanja Vidic, Jaap Stam, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer or Peter Schmeichel before Ferguson invested in them.
zaddu- Fair enough, I apologise.
In all honesty, I’ve only supported us since around December 2002.
Bailey, Albiston, et al played around 20 years or more before I was born.
zaddu…dont be a prick…seriously ..roms the last place you wana do that. And dont come out with replace SAF comments..if you have said it earlier on this thread.
ALSO…as to pointing out my point…yes we have spent big…but spent big every now and then and that only on individual purchases…..rio…a few years later berbs etc
WE HAVE NOT…LET ME RE AFFIRM WE HAVE NOT…GONE ON A SPENDING SPREE IN A SUMMER AND BROKEN THE WORLD TRANSFER RECORDS ALA REAL, CHELSKI AND SHITTY…
Clubs who are willing to spend 300million in a summer…clubs who would do that and are aiming to pay extortionate amounts in transfer sums….eg ronaldo 80 mill..kaka 100 mill bid etc etc etc and pay these guys half a mill a week. They have billiionare owners…and a clubs run by crooks hence can do that.
Neither can we do that…or i would want us to do that. BIG DIFFERENCE
Glad that is clarified
NOW LET ME WATCH THE RESERVES IN PEACE
well carrick clearly lost confidence after the barca game, and he hasn’t been that great this season but he’s still a useful player with a fantastic pass on him. he’s still got time on his side to recover and contribute to this team. as for berbatov, the man who makes even robbie keane look world class, wtf was he supposed to do last night? fortunately/unfortunately, we have the genius that is wayne rooney and we might never see berbatov at his very best week in week out.
some goals by el chicharito with the Mexico national team.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpngwHmSnXU&feature=related
cant wait to see him at the world cup and at united
well I have been tryomg to get this devons lock result out of my brain I just kept my self busy watched my tarentino collection, revior dogs does not get any better I heard we have signed a striker. Well if he cost 12 million and at 21 maybe he could be good we bought a striker but someone I have never heard of, well look at when atletico and the fascest bought aguero and higian from the argentina league which is about the same level has mexican league maybe he will turn out to be a world class player.
Fred – I know you are desperate for a striker that can help rooney out because berbatov has failed miserably but asking a very inexperienced player to take rooneys place if rooney is not available is really clutching at straws.
the upside the one player who is almost turning world class is nani can anyone tell me what is nani’s assist record because it must be one of the best and what I love about nani he tracks back and helps the defence. I go on redcafe.net and in jan one made a topic nani will reignite out title charge who ever that fan is what a guess he has been one of the big factors for us still being in the title race
zaddu – one name you should always look up to is CRISTIANO RONALDO, remember that name bought in a weak league and look how he has turned out. I said last week that united has a club pay their scouts a good wage to go out there and find these gems that are waiting to be found. valencia and nani are examples of diamond in the rough, and this mexican star is another, we dont buy established stars we polish these rocks and turn them into diamonds. and if fergie thinks this is a superstar in the making thats why he is the boss and you and everyone on here and all united fans are not, whole everyone bitched about ronaldinho we got a better mental and physially more powerful player in RONALDO and he was 18 wasnt he
RTNK …. I agree …it is hard to get this result out of the brain.
Nani’s two great goals and our perfomances against Milan etc all count for nothing. Does anyone honestly belive United wouldn’t have been in the final if we had kept 11 men on the pitch?
As Giggs11 said. There’s only one way to get over this and that is to win our last five games, thrashing the bitters at the Wastelands along the way. But we need to start at Blackburn. Every match a Cup Final now.
video of our new signing
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wjg06sHnDwA&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1
Dave Mack – well if united win the league I will get over it but the result has eaten me alive I still cant believe it
Not sure why you want Gary to have a chat with Rafael. Gary was at fault for Bayern being in the first place with the intentional handball in the first leg. Our other fullback was at fault for them having 1 goal lead going into the second leg.
So lets not be too harsh on Rafael.
I hope people remember that Rafael was directly involved in the creation of two of our opening goals and that he had stuffed one of the best wingers in the world in his back pocket.
To wish for the failure to reach the semis to weigh on Rafael for the rest of his career is foolish. Why would you want to undermine the confidence of a player that may be here for a long time is beyond me.
@ Fred , calm down he could so easily be a Manucho/Dong and the countless other hopefuls we had. He’s not even signed for us yet, you’d think people would have learned from the Aaron Ramsey/Adam Ljajic deals that it’s not certain until they put pen to paper and we have a work permit.
@boogeyman
u dont av to be so rude to zaduu, he is only speaking his mind and posting his comments, i guess thats y we ave this blog.
and zaduu, dont be a gringo saying we should replace lord alex ferguson., he is a great achiever
@Rooney the new king , Valencia was already proven in the premier league as he played for Wigan. I agree that Ronaldo was almost from nowhere, but the Portuguese league is not THAT weak, it’s on a par with the Dutch and French I would say.
must admit this new signing reminds me a lot of aguero of argentina, i can’t see a player like that failing to impress at our club… he looks like a striker version of nani!
let’s give the guy a chance before we go over the top, we don’t need expensive striker to sit on the bench… hopefully money can be spent on areas where they are needed in the next few years..
Chrispiano……. Sorry to have to point this out to you but ………Fred’s taking the piss!
I think another reason saf has took a punt on Hernandez, is the kid speaks great english, which will make it easier for him to settle in England.
Chrispiano – welI I mean how many players could you sign from that league and they turn out to be turn be world player of the year in the form of ronaldo very phew. I was not downing that league but I was given a example if you can take players from a league like portugal then surly mexico have a phew and seeing some of this guys runs he seems to have that dynamic threat and that drive I dont think the likes of berbatov posseses
scotts, do d players and the manager staff really sees our comments on this blog, i reaaly wanna know
well I will say again portugal these days not the one years ago but portugal do bring through some of the best talent in game today so its worth the gamble
zaddu…you fuckin piece of shite……dont fuckin get me started……you deserve to be called a prick…for wanting SAF out…..
And what…you went on wikipedia and plucked out some names from the 80′s..lol…what a funny bastard……
“i started supporting utd bollocks”
you mum fanny i was fuckin there in the 80′s….i fuckin saw olsen, and moses and moran and all the rest play….
i didnt fuckin pluck names out off wikipedia..
dont fuckin come on here and give it large…
wanted SAF out????
who the fuck are you…never once heard of you on here….
pop on here and start thinking you’re the big man…
you write like a 16 year old….hence tells me you’re giving it a load of bollocks…and please dont do google images..you funny bastard
wonders of the internet..when you get fantasists on here…who didnt even know what olsen, bailey, moses, moran looked like….let alone how they played like..
zaddddddddddu..you sad bastard……
now fuck off….before i fuckin come over there and chop your fuckin bollocks off….if youve got any…you fuckin weasel
PRICK
realisticly there’s nothing good from a defeat
anyone calling for fergies head go and piss off especially like retards like zaddu, your a spoilt 14 year old brat
wat d hell is m carrick thinking, he used to be one among my lord alex best signing but now he looks tired n weak, he cant even moved his leg to score a goal
FANS CAN BE CRITICAL…OF PLAYERS, OWNERS AND TRANSFER POLICY OR WHATEVER….but theres a fuckin unwritten law on rom and with any utd fan….no one calls for SAFS head
“get saf out, get mourinho in”
no fuckin “80″s fan comes out with that…
i grew up with fuckin nutters…who supported utd thru the 70′s and 80′s…and no right minded fan from that age would call for SAFS head…
typical 16 year old wikipedia glory hunter…your comments tell it all..prick
now jog on
PS.
my nephew whose 6..comes out with im bigger than you, im better than you kinda comments…says it all..
bye bye prick
I was watching the leaders debat on the premiership christ big ron knows his footie. He was a brilliant manager it is a shame he could not win that league and I wish he was debating more often I totaly agree I hope macheda starts because he can do it, thh likes of hasselbank and goerge graham just did not come up with great arguments BIG RON for the next priminister for me LOL.
Jesus, the amount of bullshit people come out with here.
Scott, your out of order with the Rafeal comment. I’m going to presume you had a few last night when you wrote that remark. He owes the team fuck all. We all go down together.
Two problems last night
1) A piss weak ref. Seriously, are this guys not tested on how they can handle pressure? The guy completely capitulated when hounded by Bayern.
2) Are old bogey, we didn’t take are chances. We should have scored 6 in the first half. Fergie knows this for a while now and we know he tried Benzame at the start of the season but we didn’t get him and took a gamble on Owen. Who knows who else we were/are trying for as well but we don’t know about it. Funny how it was announced today that we have bought another. Fingers crossed more to come as im begining to believe we should have a load in the squad just like midfield and defence.
But its over now so suck it up and fuck up and lets fucking murder Blackburn!
funny bastard…disturbing my reserves game….
good job the lads are toasting hull…
good interview there from javier….speaks well the lads
suhayl – I have supported united since the 90s so I have been spoilt but still anyone saying fergie should go they should go and support the fascests. does anyone forget fergie won the league last season he has had a squad the past phew years that have won 3 titles in a row a european cup a world club cup and 2 carling cups. Fergie has driven united to recent success its not like wenger where he has not won a trophy in half a decade
smart lad and all…
and now paddy knows why they call him chicarato
i gueessed yaduu realised he made a mistake saying saf should go, but pls suhayl, take it easy on him, the words are too raw
I for the life of me never understand anyone calling for Sir Alexs to quit. It happened in 89/90 which was kind of understandable and then there was the period where we went 3 years without the title even though we reached 3 cup finals winning the league cup and fa cup. The guys who wanted their head in the period of 2003 -2006 they are resurfacing again because they don’t think we’ll win the league and we’re out of Europe. If you’re a true United fan you wouldn’t call for Sir Alex’s head you’ll be calling for an elixir to make him immortal.
all the goals hes scored this year, el chicharito that is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ovu0QGpAsQ
Com’ on Benfica, send the shite packing.
@notoriousred devil
dats something to say, i really liked that
rntk…..true mate….
i could understand the fickle comments from a fan who started supporting utd through this golden period the past 2 decades…because we ve been spoilt we have attracted many a glory hunter…..many a tourist
but any utd fan older than the 90′s who supported the team through the fuckin dark times of the 70′s and 80′s would NEVER NEVER NEVER COME OUT WITH GET SAF OUT…..
that in itself proves…saddduuuuu is a 14 year old kid…….going through puberty….probably wanking over a matalan catalogue….
kids these days..
im my day you got a beating for talking shite…..a serious beating at that
I am left wondering as I am relatively young and some of the rot that has been written on this Blog today and the various insults flying around, would it not be just easier if we all just measured our Penis,s and attatched that measurement to our Screen names. So we are all aware just who is the bigger man and more knowledgable on the Club and supported the Club for longer etc etc.Ladies can just post there Tits size.
Anyways away to watch and laugh at Liverpuddle get a right old humping(hoping)
If anyones interested fulham just scored in 21 secs in their match
hopefully they haven’t got our omen with early goals against german opponents!
asite..im sorry i offended you…..
but this prick called for SAF’s head and then calls himself an 80′s hardcore fan…
no 80′s fan would ever say that..ever..
this pricks a 14 year old flamin pubescent prick…..
im there watching the reserves in peace and this fucker starts up……
made his 2nd mistake there…after calling for safs head..
fuck sake hull have scored
Everyone on here saying that we become shit for a while to separate the glory hunters from the real fans. There was that period especially in 05/06 where it was piss easy to get tickets without being a season ticket holder. The atmosphere was a lot better as well, as soon we were top the following October I think weekend games became impossible to get and with a few exceptions the atmosphere slowly became worse again. If we don’t win the league its not a disaster we’ve got silverware this season, and nobody come out with the Carling Cup is rubbish. No it isn’t. Its a trophy to be won and we’ve done that. I’ll admit the longest we’ve been without a trophy in my lifetime is a year from 88-till the present day I’ve been fortunate. (Pre 88 all I cared about was cartoons and transformers) Some people need to get a fucking grip.
fuck the dipper shite….would rather die before i ever watch them…
but fulham what a bloody fairytale…
hats off to roy
Fergie will go when he is ready and not before…… those calling for his head want to think on…… sometimes he gets it wrong but 9 times out of 10 he gets it right big style.
my view on last night game was the same as Scotty’s …Nani was brilliant (made me eat me words this season) and Carrick has been found out ….. no longer Utd material if he doesn’t bulk up in the summer and put some muscle and weight on…. sorry to say he was at fault for their first and was slow to close for the second. Rafeal walked off slowly because he knew the fucking bollocking SAF was going to give him… that’s 3 reds he has picked up for stupidity and this one cost us the game
and apologies to anyone offended by my french
bonjour
suhayl – why say sorry, he is a cunt for saying fergie should go I think he is a retard
About Rafael. It was stupid however next time ANY player for ANY team makes two fouls they should get 2 yellows and then sent off. Then I’ll be satisfied. We all know that will never happen. With that in mind I think everyone knows the 2nd yellow was soft especially as it was his 2nd foul. 1st yellow was just plain stupid, its not playground football.
@ RTNK – Even a retard wouldn’t come out with gobshite like that.
utd reserves 5-1 up
Angus Jung says:
“There was nothing good to come out of this game. No one played well, Berba is twice the flop that Shevchenko was, and there is little to no hope for the future. I doubt we could even afford him but Sir Alex MUST try to buy Ribery – the man is a magician who made our “team” look like the twats that they are”.
It is exactly clueless clowns like you that are gonna keep me away from this site more. So Nani, Fletcher, Valencia or Gibbo didn’t play well? Then you say you want Ribery as he is a “magician”. He is a little cunt pal who would have no business signing for United. He is still in young Rafa’s pocket. Nani and Valencia are better than this overhyped little prick.
Shite 1 up
Shite 1 up
europa league update:
liverpool just scored, and obviously now lead on away goals
6-1
@ Notorious Mate he is exactly the same age as me youthfull cocky and agressive.The first was Anger the German pulled at him and niggled him.In fairness like Becks in the World cup he could have walked.
The second was a nothing pull on Rubbery, he made the most of it and Immediately got the imaginary card out as did several of there very “mature” players.
At the end of the day we have a young star* on our hands if he can learn and he will from his mistake’s and his ponchant for cards.
I personally think the like if Rafael is our future. awa to pour a large one, Liverpuddle got the Ref to rescind a linesmans call ,1 up………….. the day get worse.
Shite 2 up.
liverpool scored again – agg 3-2 now
cunts 1 up…bad week gets worse…
hey atleast our reserves are on fire
paddys very subdued today tho
KE………spot on mate….spot on…
ignore it mate…i try to ignore all the abu media…or seriously id kill someone….itd drive me that crazy
Okay
Im sorry some of the stuff on here is beyond ridiculous
We were brilliant yesterday – absolutely brilliant – and yet we could have been even more brilliant had we scored more goals from chances that we clearly should have put away
But some of us here are overlooking the fact that luck comes into play and for a whole week now we haven’t had any at all
Yes we didn’t set the world alight on Saturday against Chelsea – but we lost to an offside goal – not even a decision to debate – it was that clear cut
Yesterday – I’m sorry Raph was brilliant – his first card was harsh – he should have had a free kick – his second yellow was a disgraceful ref decision – the ref should have booked the Bayern players for trying to influence his decision making process – the fact that UEFA have shut the fuck up over what Sir Alex said tells you everything how we’ve had to bite the bullet over decisions going against us for the last week.
Those that are having a go have a right to, but when you question the manager fuck off – this is how far we have come without the best player in the world that we made that chose to fuck off.
My only regret this season would be that we never had a chance to right a wrong from last years CL final.
We have a title to win
@ redscot – Fair point. I like Rafael he just needs to eradicate these things out of his game and I’m sure he will. You’re right the second foul was nothing Ribery actually swung his elbow back at him afterwards and should have been booked. My point is, that if Rafael makes 2 fouls in a game and gets 2 yellows the same should happen every time in every game irrespective of the teams/players. That doesn’t happen. Its this bullshit inconsistency that gets on my nerves. Try and argue that point with an ABU and its
“You always blame the refs, you get plenty of decisions”
Bollocks. Last nights game in 90 minutes summed up how unjust referees and their useless assistants have been against us. As soon as we went 2-0 up that ref was hell bent to try and make it an entertaining football match for neutrals in front of the cameras. He gave us nothing all night. Same referee will probably referee a chmapions league game again. Watch his leniency in that game. He’s fucking Italian how could he have done that.
This wasn’t the only reason we went out, other things too, but the way football is officiated as a whole is pretty piss poor.
Well guys, if it cheers you up any the greatest comment ever was made yesterday…
“Lionel Messi may have scored 4 goals, but has he ever nutmegged Figo?”.
I’m glad to see O’Shea back, I have to say.
Anyone that calls for the boss to go, i don’t take them seriously, just best to ignore them.
@ MG, your my type of Fan, I just wish I could express in words that post @ 20.43.RIGHT ON THE BUTTON, every word.
Key point IF i may be so bold” we have a title to win” we move on and keep the faith.
@King Eric
You and me both. I must admit that when I first came here, it was because it felt better sharing the pain of a defeat with fellow reds. But certain attitudes in here over the past 8 disappointing(for our high standards) days, have made me sick to my stomach. Some posters made comments in the heat of the moment and I have 0 problems with that. We are all human. But others have been waiting for certain players like Carrick and Berbatov to fall flat on their face fo a while now and that has nothing to do with the massive disappointment of last night. Not saying that they’ve had a great season mind you.
I’ve always tried to support every player after a bad performance even if I was disappointed in them. Because most of all, I try to remember what joys they have given me a a fan in the past. It’s a shame not everyone else can do that. Last night we were attempting to reach the European Cup semis for an unprecedented 4th time in a row. Maybe going back to the Djemba Djemba days will be a great wake up call for some.
I hope you, Notorious, willierednut and a few others keep the red flag high in here. I will try to avoid visiting from now on.
Ha Ha NotoriousRedDevil
Great post. I went to the Carling Final and it meant as much as the FA Cup and the Champs league. I love Utd winning any trophy or any game. Yes the Carling Cup has been sacrificed at times but it means alot to me.
Tickets are always available for games OK Maybe not the big ones but near my seat theres always a space or three. If you apply for tickets and are unsucessful with your preference then ring the ticket office and ask if any are available elsewhere. It worked for me when I was a member.
@ costas, that cant be correct mate, your not leaving, please dont I will miss your balanced thought through stats and humour..
This does not make sense why?
Everybody is a bit sore Costas we gotta stick together though mate, and Believe together we can Celebrate our 19th. FFs this going out of hand. Madness mate.
Costas – Don’t let some fans stop you from going on ROM mate, fuck me it be boring if we agreed all the time. I would say, just respond to certain posters and ignore the ones that are trying to wind you up, you’re the oracle after all lol.
Also I would never buy Ribery – a petulant fuck that Raph kept in his pocket that the ref did not have respect for – because if he did he would have had words with Ribery and Raph would have been on the pitch
And fuck Robben – what a spastic celebration – got one chance and took it and did fuck all – all match long and would have done fuck all if 11 United players were quite correctly had been standing in front of him
And again – go back to the Fiorentina match at the AA – Bayern get away with an offside goal equal to Drogba scoring against us
Am I bitter? Too fucking right – but will take it on the chin
One more thing – to those that suggest that if we had gone down with a whimp it would have been easier to take I say this
It is far more encouraging that in the face of adversity Manchester United lost all gusz blazing because
Either we play like that and live long enough to get back and do better or outstay our welcome and become nothing at all
I know which United I would always want
This club will never die – the shirt is a symbol of defiance – we defy those that do not believe – and to those that do not believe walk away and play your football manager.
After everything do you stand shoulder to shoulder with Manchester United or do you despair so much that you want to walk away
It’s a simple question with a simple answer – that is what this club was is and will be forever.
not being funny but the last thing I want to know on this site is how many liverpool are winning by!
read guns for gusz bad spelling
look people – i just ignore the over the top posts and only really read posts be certain people – this seems to be the only place where a few balanced United fans exist these days!
@ notorious, Yes I noted mate he was Italian and how he run the Match after the dismissal of Rafael, just makes me pig sick but not as sore as I was last night or most of today.I fail to understand though and realise its a prickly topic the abuse Dimatar comes in for on blogs the Man was on the park for 17 minutes with little possibility of success with no service due to us being down to 10 men and the Germans containing the ball perfectly almost.
On as side note and a bit tongue in cheek I like to have fun when I blog and get a laugh, maybe the Germans have saved us a huge humilation in Madrid when A/B face the Barcelona.
But we still have a league campaign to fight for and I just know the Lads will give it there best shot for the fans.
@Costas
No way mate – a lot of United fans who call themselves United fans have the balls to say things which are so not United
Do not let them overpower your feelings for the club
We all stand here together and it is quite appalling when emotions get carried away and things are said without foundation
And all of you who have done so in this blog should be fucking ashamed of yourselves – fuck off and get your billionaires – change your fucking managers when you want – buy and sell players because they don’t get a trophy every year –
You are not Manchester United – this club it’s history it’s power – it’s bind is far greater than you think it is – if you want recognition this isn’t your club. This club is a whole new way of life – a religion devoted to those that do not walk away no matter what – and those of us who know that are never going to walk away.
You know what, I am actually pleased, after all the stuff said about the team punching above their weight, they showed that United is a world class team with outstanding individual players like Nani and Rafael and Rooney and Evra, Van etc who are amazing.
WE WERE REALLY GOOD!!! WE ENTERTAINED. WE WERE THE BETTER TEAM. NO DOUBT AND I THINK SOME OF OUR YOUNG PLAYERS CAME OF AGE IN THAT GAME.IT IS AN AMAZING WAY TO GO OUT THOUGH WE SHOULD HAVE WON.
Everyone in Europe and the World now knows that United are still a class act, still bringing great talent through, still playing beautiful flowing football.
Oh – and yes Carrick and Barbatov need to go, go, go……
COME ON BE POSITIVE. WE ROCK. AND WE ARE GOING TO KICK AAASSSSSS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE NOW. MAYBE ITS NOT A BAD THING THAT WE ARE OUT OF EUROPE AS IF CHELSEA SLIP UP THEN WE WILL HAVE MORE FOCUS AND ENERGY AND IF WE GET TITLE 4 IN A ROW THEN I WILL SING A SONG FOR YOU ALL.
KISSES.
Fukking bindippers 3 nil up!!
The display we are seeing at Analfield gives me no delight, but it certainly gives me hope they will do us a favour on the 1st of May, and take three points of Chelsrent.
Believe just fucking Believe
Benfica scored get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3 1 com’ on Benfica.
Costas has a point. I read every post, or at least skim read it. When fellow fans abuse our players by giving them names they read in “The Sun”. Yes Berba bashers I’m looking at you pricks. It pisses me off. Winning and losing isn’t a part of football its a part of life as well. Joys of success are increased by sharing and the bitterness of defeat lessens by sharing also. Thats what this blog means to me. No point in doing one because of a few wankers who don’t even see the glass half full, they can’t even see it half empty, they only see a few drops in the glass and panic like its the end of the world.
@ james21 – Thanks pal. I’ve been doing that this year, its brought me great joy i.e dippers game.
Even if we don’t win the title I’ll be there at Stoke at the end of the year. Letting the players now that I’m and many others like me are behind them no matter what.
Torres just scored 4-1
@ Costas
I like your posts mate. Besides who cares what fans say on here I certainly don’t. I don’t call players either but found it hard not to grab Michael Carrick by his short and curlys and say ‘Make your fuckin mind up QUICKER’ But after a beer and a rant at a Shitty Bastard on my FBook. I Relised I had always stuck up for Carrick to mates so I’ll continue doing so.
If you decide to go then its a shame.
@ willie eat your own words about the Ladyboy, as I told you. And thats not from Football manager. lol
fcuk.. the most known lady in football scored
Javier Hernandez – Ladyboy. Hodgson for next United boss.
Even before the injuries I expected this Season to be our toughest for years, and I was prepared to be disappointed if we failed to retain our Crown or reclaim our Europe title for 09/10….So, with one eye on Chelsea slipping up before May im quietly continuing what I’ve been doing all Season. looking forward to next Season.
I knew Nani would come good, he is PURE CLASS and can be even better than Ronaldo, just like Ronaldo himself said. I also expected Anderson to come good and he looked set to do so in the very same game he was injured in. All we need is Hargreaves back and Next Season looks brighter.
But what of our biggest talking point thus far?
DOES ANYBODY STILL THINK BERBATOV CAN CUT IT AT UNITED?
this isnt a rant or a berba bashing session, its just an informed fan asking a simple question. Our last 3 matches were amongst the BIGGEST played by any club in the world. Bayern over two matches for a Semi place in Europe and Chelsea for top spot in the EPL- these were Season defining games.
So what role did Dimmy play in them?
An un-inspiringly minimal one to be honest… and THAT was only when he was selected to play. The Rent Boys were there to be beaten senseless but Berbatov was the wrong tool to get the job done. Had Macheda started at Home we would’ve been more threatening going forward. Instead, rather than start with young Kiko, Alec opted to give our enigmatic bulgarian more ROPE…. look what happened.
He was poor when we needed a big performance. Its the same old story and I think Alec has finally lost all patience. I will be amazed if we’re still paying Berbatovs salary next Season.
Personally Id rather see Kiko, Owen, Welbeck or Diouf overtake Berbatov as second striker.
Probably due to his cost, Dimmy has had more opportunity than everybody else conbined to perform and prove his worth as our second striker but he hasnt been up to the Task. Anybody blaming that on our midfield should tell that to Darren Bent or any other decent Striker expected to fend off club relegation with their goal contribution. Besides, our midfield hasnt stopped Rooney scoring this year has it? We need a change up front, we HAVE been relying on Rooney too much. Before he was injured we considered the Chelsea game in the bag. But once Berbatov was named as the man to replace him we all feared for the worst. I think his time is up, I’d even prefer to see this new 21 year old Mexican Kid play ahead of him next season.
it should go without saying that this isn’t a denial of Berbatovs obvious talent.
YES HE IS A GREAT PLAYER BUT HAS BERBATOV CUT IT AT UNITED SO FAR?
in answer to that question, No, unfortunately he hasn’t in my opinion, and I for one hope to see a new look United strikeforce next year. Kiko deserved to start against Chelsea. if he had he would have saved our Season twice in a row. Hopefully he wont be overlooked again next year, I doubt it very much. I also expect to see Welbeck, Owen and Diouf given a chance to prove their place at our Club.
…surely Berba has had enough Rope from Alec to last a lifetime?
Come on, why the fu*k has everyone hit the panicbutton now? We still have a good enough chance at the title and even if we don’t win it this season hasn’t been a failiure. Just look at liverpool; failiure defined.
In a few years that game will be seen like the 3-2 at OT against AC Milan I think. That game there was some horrific defending, i.e. where Patrice Evra missed Kaka and took out Heinze, but it was an incredible game to watch. I know there are sore points about the referee etc but I just feel like it was a turning point, much like that night against Milan was a turning point, the season after we won the double.
This blog is turning into a fucking nightmare, I read earlier I am sure I saw King Eric was leaving, AS well its just not right, because a few nutters post insane views.
We have much to be proud of and share on this blog, that does not mean not to critize constuctively, although blatant abuse and name calling just imo just displays weakness, cowardyness behind the safety of a computer screen.
Well for me when they are on TOP form and being UNITED, AIG, KING ERIC,TINY TEARS,COSTAS, make a blog like this work.Just take it on the chin and move on, if you dont agree with a post and wanna have a POP, do so no need to revert to trying to be a smart @ss, it dont work on the net unless you can see a persons face and determine if they are smiling laughing angry eyes.
All I think as a simple Scots lad, it dont make no sense to self implode.
Addios lads, Believe it aint over, On On On
@ Paul Parker – No he probably hasn’t by a commend you by not calling Berbatov childish names that I have to hear from dippers et al. When we signed Berbatov this was ideal formation/team IMO
VDS
Brown/O’ Shea Vidic Rio Evra
Ronaldo Hargreaves Carrick/Anderson Nani/Giggs
Rooney Berbatov/Tevez
Now whilst Fletcher since summer 2008 has been a revelation he isn’t as good as Owen Hargreaves 07/08. He could be but he isn’t at the moment. We’ve changed our style of play big time and Berbatov has been made the scapegoat. As for your Macheda theory he’s started games this season in Champion League and Carling Cup and hasn’t scored. So starting him against chelski on his own would have been very risky. Berbatov can play on till he’s 35 because pace isn’t his strong point thats why we paid so much for him. It took Any Cole 2.5 years to finally be accepted by everyone at Old Trafford. Give him 6 months then after that I promise I won’t defend him anymore.
James21 … I’m with you. Carrick isn’t always a world beater but he’s had some tremendous games for us and while he’s in any squad that Fergie manages ….he’ll have my support
That said, I’ve followed United since the 60′s and can honestly say while some players performances annoy me from time to time …. I can never hate them or completely dis them while they were our shirt. That’s because the shirt means more to me than the man who’s wearing it.
Think how many of us questioned Nani’s performances but Fergie always knows best. Nani gets a contract extention and is turning all his detractors heads.
BTW, Carrick took a hard knock to the head in the 25th minute. I honestly think it was effecting him throughout the rest of the game. Our midfield was working well in the first half and only looked swamped when we went down to 10 men and had to surrender space to them.
be fickle about United players if you truly love this club.
The fairytale vehicle for fulham is rolling on to hamburg – couldn’t be happier for the cottagers
Hopefully by the end of may they will of turned beating german teams into an art form and hammered liverpool in the final.
I know some don’t care about other pl teams do (i’d agree to an extent about chelsea and liverpool) but how english teams perform in the european cups reflects on the premier league as a whole and a good performance from mid table teams like fulham help to emphasis that our whole league is competitive, unlike a lot of leagues where realistically only top 2-6 teams are going to win significant cups in a season.
ot but the bayern president annoyed me with these quote – perhaps the below is true but considering that bayern have had a ridiculous amount of luck since the group stages of cl, they cannot really talk:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article7092413.ece
@ NotoriousRD
I genrally have a spare ticket when 1st refusal family don’t want it. Had to sell the Chelsea one cheap because nobody wanted it or couldn’t afford it. Its a season ticket in North lower, sorry shit atmosphere. No offence meant of course just my opinion. Its looked after by a friend and he collects the money £49. A bit late in the season but more than likely get it again next season. Think I still have 1 for the Spurs Game have to find out if he’s sold it. If interested let me know and I’ll find out.
@james 21 – Thanks mate. I’m sorted for Spurs up in the heavens aka North Stand Tier 3. If I’m stuck for Stoke shall let you know.
@NRD
Hopefully get the same outcome as last season.
NP It’ll sell . I enjoyed tier 3 when I’ve been up there against Arsenal a few seasons ago and Sunderland last season.
I’m E335 Tier 2. I’ll wave when we score.
As someone else pointed out, Carrick sustained a big blow to the head and it was 50/50 whether he was going to stay on. It’s clear his commitment to the club when he’s throwing his head in the way to try and win that header when there was next to no chance of anything coming from it. He was also the first person to respond when the ball was going to Robben and nearly got in that crucial block but he got there too fast if anything because the ball goes the other side of him. I support all of United’s players as long as they give me reason to. Carrick has given me plenty, show some fucking loyalty he has made us tick for the last 3 seasons and he played more than any of our other centre mids. I think that tells a lot as in that time we’ve won 3 PL’s a CL and a Carling Cup and the World Club Cup…
Still wouldn’t mind seeing David Luiz in a United shirt, there were a few rumours linking him to the club a couple of months back and after watching him against Liverpool this evening he seems like a very talented youngster.
Only 22 he can play either CB or LB, has great technical ability for a defender and looked comfortable going forward, a possible long-term Evra replacement? I’m aware we have young Fabio waiting for his chance to proce himself but he looks like he could be a useful addition as he’s comfortable covering both center-back and left-back.
Any thoughts?
Costas:
I’ve always found you to be one of the few posters who let people have an honest opinion without reverting to the real fan, basher, plastic terminology that people resort to when they dislike comments.
People have different reasons for using the blog and some come into conflict. Some people like to universally praise players and strike down anyone who attempts to make an honest criticism and that is one of the reasons why I have personally decided over the last week to make very few comments.
I’ve been involved in fairly heated exchanges over points which in my view weren’t even controversial. But people don’t like a critical tone. Ideally I prefer a discussion where I come on and someone describes an incident in the game which I pictured in my head and I like their explanation put into words. I find that rewarding.
I digress. Your point about people wanting players to fail. It is a bit presumptuous of me to think you were thinking of me and I doubt it actually. But I certainly didn’t want him to fail. I think you are slightly mistaken as in my view many people ALREADY felt he had fallen flat on his face and so were not waiting for him to do so.
In other words – was there really that many people around who wanted players to make a balls up at the expense of the team? If the majority of regular users had it in for the team in that way you’d be right to leave but I don’t very much agree that that is the case.
People should stay, you should stay.
I am shocked none of us are talking about our new signing. I am excited to see this kid in action. He has begun the Mexican season and has been the talk of the Mexican soccer fans I know. It will be interesting to see who is shown the door because this kid is not that far away from being able to work his way into the squad. I rate him highly. Tell me what ya think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
anyone know what happened to Hargreaves now? he played a reserve game and dissapered again…
@NotoriousRedDevil
nah, I understand some people have banter with Berbatov but personally I dont feel the need to insult any of our players. Nobody pisses me off that much. Silvestre came close many times so I was overjoyed when he joined Arsenal to continue his shakey antics in North London.
After being glad to see Berby arrive at United im now at the stage where I just wanna see our other Strikers play a bigger role in our campaign. Owen? Kiko? Diouf? Welbeck? Maybe Alec should experiement with a 4-3-3 using Rooney Berbatov and one of our young talented Strikers. He would probably play better with even more support. Or maybe Alec should just sell him this summer and give our new Mexican the no. 9 shirt in the deep end.
who knows what Alec should/will do? I certainly don’t, but I do look forward to next Season.
@Pibe – thanks for the Chicharito videos.
Some of my comments earlier were tongue in cheek but I am genuinely excited about this fella – and why shouldn’t I be? Now I’m off to watch the Reserves highlights.
I leave you with a picture of the man (?) we are pinning our title hopes on this May: http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs439.ash1/24217_407209912572_67920382572_4921512_1524810_n.jpg
Sorry couldn’t go thru all the posts but here”s my two cents,
First any “fan” who’s calling for SAF to leave is nothing but an absolute idiot, like someone said above we should recognize what the man has done for this football club and should be looking for the elixir of youth to keep him here for the next 100 years. Before SAF united was a big club, when he came along he turned us into the biggest club in the world. Like some say, we ARE a one man team, and that one man is Sir Alex. I dont think you have to necessarily have supported united in the dark days of the 70s and 80s to appreciate this. I’ve supported United since around 1996 and have arguably known only success with this club, but I have read through a lot of united’s history from before then and I know I could never support another club, even if we went trophyless for a long period.
@ costas mate, dont leave ROM just cos of what some feceless c*nt ypes if you really love the form, personally I think your posts are about the most balanced I see on ROM and it would be a shame if you stopped posting, plus where would we get our stats
SO yes it was a bad way to exit the champions league and I cant claim to not want to smack a few players(carrick esp), but we move on, we’ve faced adversity before and we’ve always surived, fans calling for SAF should realize that the only reason we’ve always hasd a fighting chance is because we have the greatest football manager the world has ever known. In Fergie we trust.
On another note:
People make that comparison with Berbatov / Andy Cole all the time… Sorry, but imo Berbatov isnt good enough to even be mentioned in the same sentence as the second highest PL scorer ever. Dont forget, Cole broke both his legs after he joined us and STILL returned to score the Title winner at Anfield. If thats not a fucking Legend what is, and that was only his 2nd full Season with us. After King Cantona left it was King Cole who carried us onwards as we developed into our Treble Winning side. Sigh, but im not suprised Andrew Cole’s name is casually mentioned alongside Dimmy. I remember being pissed off by our own fans back in the 90′s over the criticisms of Andy Cole. Alot of fans fell for the Media agenda against him, back when the Sun and the Times hated him no matter what he did DESPITE HIM BEING JUST AS PROLIFIC AS SHEARER AND WINNING FUCK LOADS MORE SILVERWARE.
Even now, you’d think Cole was an underachiever the way his name is banded about….
But back to our modest Bulgarian, if Berbatov was half the player Andy Cole was by his 2nd full Season there would be no debate concerning him, he would have scored the winner against Chelsea and scored goal of the Season in Europe to beat Bayern. However, if he IS still here for a third year next season, and he AGAIN fails to cut it at our club, I just hope its not at the expense of another young striker like Kiko waiting in the wings, because another club will snap him up.
I am sick of reading people slating Rafael!!! U guys just needed an excuse to make u feel better. FFS look at his age and his ability. And stop listing the game that he has been sent off. He is young and competitive. Even if Red Nev slap him before the second half it will not make any difference to his action, he is a winner and always wants the ball…and in that fast paced match u have to consider the magnitude and adrenaline level…and i believe in that split second he was not even thinking he is on a yellow card. His objective is to contain Ribery, retain the ball and support Valencia. Please take a look at his performance before slating him!!!. He contained the so called best left winger in the world and he made him look average and that is why Bayern was determined to send him off because he is the one keeping their talisman at bay.
Remember how Rooney’s aggression was few years back. how many times Rooney made a stupid decisions and foul. But its okay because Rooney is English right? Even at that time we all knew Rooney got talent and all he needs is experience and maturity. That is why Fergie keep playing Rooney at that very young age so he could learn from his mistakes and matures naturally. So please stop slating Rafael and stay behind him so he will reach his obvious potential and ability.
I can see how gutted he was for letting the team down with the sending off, but trust me, he will do that again because that is what teenagers do. They get caught in the moment, but I believe SAF know how to handle him and show him the right way to learn and blossom into a world class full back.
I know all of us are gutted with the result….I am hurt too. But show some class, be a true United supporter. We are lucky to be able to support the best team in the world…at least we are not a dipper.
Enough slating young players….support them and give them confidence to grow into world class footballer. Rather than blaming Rafael to learn from his mistakes, we should blame ourselves for not repeating the same mistakes of slating youngster. Remember Fletcher Nani O’shea and etc…..Yeah!!! I believe I heard it so many times people slating our young players before…but my oh my!!!…u guys never learn. There is a reason why SAF is the best manager and managing Manchester United, because he knows more than we do. Simple!!!
He made an average depleted injury hit squad to challenge for treble. We won Mickey Mouse Cup, QF of CL and 2nd in the league with 5 games to go. What could those ABU and glory hunters would have achieved with this team??? Gutted but eagerly waiting for the Blackburn game. This is how being a United supporters is all about….being emotionally attached through thick and thin. United always put our emotions at the highest level….everything seems possible and impossible. If you dont have the stomach and nerves to control and enjoy that emotions….well please go and support our noisy neighbor.
Everyone entitled to their opinions and emotions…but please do not lost faith and believe in our team and SAF.
One thing for sure…we will always bounce back regardless of what people think. This is what United is made off. This is Sir Alex’s and Man Utd culture.
B E L I E V E
@ Cantona’s right boot, cracking post at 23:14, very well said.
GOTTA HATE TINY TEARS KING ERIC AND COSTAS HAVE LEFT THIS SITE YESTERDAY AND TODAY. ONLY LAST WEEK WE WERE PRAISING THESE GUYS AND SCOTT FOR MAKING THIS SITE NUMBER 1, AND NOW THEY ARE LEAVING BECAUSE OF PEOPLE WHO WILL RUINING THIS SITE. CRAZY DAYS
Kevin says:
I am shocked none of us are talking about our new signing. I am excited to see this kid in action. He has begun the Mexican season and has been the talk of the Mexican soccer fans I know. It will be interesting to see who is shown the door because this kid is not that far away from being able to work his way into the squad. I rate him highly. Tell me what ya think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
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Alright mate.
I did mention him, I said Id rather see him start than Berbatov lol. Thanks for the clip, I’d never heard of him before in my Life, typical United signing – completely off the radar.
From the clips he looks like a composed goal scorer, esp liked his debut goal and his goal against Everton. His Numbro Uno wasnt bad either lol. We normally create bigger and better superstars than we sign anyway, so im all for placing our faith in our young strikers including Hernandez.
But If anything we need a new creative midfielder to offer some competition to our existing players imo. Tosic is supposed to be coming back, Anderson will return, hopefully Hargreaves too. Gibson played his best game Ive seen against Bayern. Another new option could be key.
This Season was always going to be tough but next Season we’ll be better prepared for a long campaign chasing 4 trophies. Watch El Classico this weekend for a comparison of our biggest Rivals. I think we have the defenders, wingers and the strikers to match anybody in the world and I think we have decent cover / options in those areas too BUT our central midfield needs much improvement to compete with the best next year. Between them Barcelona and Real have the type of central midfielders we need to complement our squad. We shouldnt be relying of either Scholes or Giggs in big games, those two Legends have already proven themselves time and time again. Meanwhile Carrick and Fletcher have both looked tired recently. Maybe having Tosic / Anderson / Hargo back will be enough to revitalize our midfield? Who Knows?
Hopefully, this new Mexican Striker will conclude our new Forward options for next year and turn attention during the summer towards our Central Midfield. We need to rebuild our Core options so we can compete in the centre of the park with the best in the world.
Sarah
I browsed the forum the last few days and see the odd mention of people threatening to leave. I can only presume there has been some kind of major incident?
I agree with Red Dev Advocate – excellent Post (and name) Cantona’s Right Boot.
Even when Rafael was sent off I wasnt angry at him for lashing out, he is a cert to be carded every game he plays. WHY? Because he’s that age and has that temperament. Wing Back is a difficult position to be responsible for, perhaps the most difficult on the Pitch because your game must be finely balanced at all times. It was a Huge match, emotions were running high and he lost his cool after an excellent first half. These things happen in Football, as Supporters we all react differently to them.
IMO, between him and his Twin we’re looking at our Future Wing Backs and I expect them to become the best in the world. The fact that Rafael was chosen before Nev for this game speaks volumes. Also look at how tired Evras become towards the end of the Season? Evra is a true Red with amazing talent that would be shouted from the rooftops if he played for Barcelona or Real Madrid. We will need Fabio to replace Evra in more games next season so we can save Evra for clashes like Bayern. I wasnt angry at him being robbed of the ball for Bayerns late goal either. He was visably knacked, not surprising after featuring in every single game this season. These things happen in Football…
…but I still believe that the Da Silva Brothers have a bright future with us, they have bags of potential and thats what we do best at United, we realize potential, so any real criticism towards our young players is short sighted. Save that for the Age Old Berbatov lol. But Seriously, which young player could you possiby want to see replace Rafael with as our RIght Back? I think we were lucky to sign both him and his Brother. The new Nevilles. Given time all our young players will shine. Look at Nani.
Next Season our Youngesters will step up to the plate.
@RedDevilzAdvocate
Thanks mate. Somehow I have this feeling that our supporter are turning out to be more like the fascist. They want immediate success by sacking the manager, selling players and buying superstars. They haven’t got the slightest idea how a great team was built. How long in took for Barcelona to be this good? how long those players have been playing together? Look at their youth policy. That is how a great team was built. Wenger is still taking forever rebuilding his team while SAF always deliver the goods in a couple of seasons when he is in rebuilding mode. That is how SAF has been doing for so many years. Yet most of us choose to ignore that. I guess SAF spoilt us by winning too many competitions. Some of us have forgotten the dark ages and the building periods. This is the difference between being a true Mancunians and a glory hunters. Truly gutted.
At this time we should stay behind the team together and rally them to get through the season. Google the definition of UNITED. I am angry at certain player for not turning up yesterday. I have had feelings that his selection will prove to be costly for us and my nightmare came to reality. Being a passenger is one thing, but putting the team in danger is way too costly. He has been disappointment in big matches for couple of months now. I am really angry at him but I will trust SAF decision at the end of the season whether he will stay or shipped off. In SAF we trust. in the meantime I fully have faith and believe in the starting line up that SAF chooses for the next 5 games.
brett1985 says:
Sarah
I browsed the forum the last few days and see the odd mention of people threatening to leave. I can only presume there has been some kind of major incident?\
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I noticed that as well, I guess alot was said during these last few key games.
hasn’t exactly been Christmas for United supporters recently has it?
Scotts articles and the comments left on the pages make this site what it is – for me it would be a shame to see key contributers leave over something said (if thats whats happened)
Even as a fan site we should end this Season on a United front and look forward to next Season. Knocking City out of the Carling Cup before winning it should keep a smile on our face till then.
And on that note :0)
Hardsy @ 22:52: ” wouldn’t mind seeing David Luiz in a United shirt …Only 22 he can play either CB or LB, has great technical ability for a defender and looked comfortable going forward”
I was also impressed with him – I had watched to see how Angel di Maria would do and was unimpressed but Luiz really caught the eye. Talented and great hair,too – kinda like Carlos Valdaramma !
@Paul Parker, Thanks mate.
Spot on with your reply.
I am not an active contributor to ROM, but I read ROM on daily basis. When United wins i don’t comment because i know everyone will praise the players and bow to sir Alex, but it amazes me when we lose, suddenly we need to buy a whole new team with a new manager. Sad enough to be out of the CL and some self proclaimed United supporters have to add salt to my injury by posting some irrational comment on SAF. UNBELIEVABLE!
WTF?
i post a comment over Gaal’s gibberish on Berbatov, and it appears here…
I was wondering several times, where do my post disappear, but now i seem to know.
they are here, only somewhere else…
strange, isn’t it?
anyway –
this whole Rafael bollocks is just silly.
to be honest – it is FERGUSON’s fault.
he should have changed Rafael in a half-time.
what the fuck was he thinking?
leaving him – young, aggresive, on a yellow, against Ribery?
that was plain stupid. it is SAF to blame!
you blame Rafael for the second yellow?
think of what would you say if he’d let Ribery go,
and the Frenchman would score or assist.
you’d eat the young lad alive! he did the right thing.
the only blame on him is the first, completely ridiculous tackle.
Ferguson didn’t react at all on what was happening on the pitch,
or when he actually did, he made wrong decisions.
no change of Rafael, keeping Carrick on, putting a defender for an attacker,
sending the whole fucking team in our penalty area at 60 minutes in hope to keep the 3-1 score,
and finally, introducing berbatov (!?!) as the one responsible for fast counters at 3-2.
WTF?!? as for the starting 11 – it was the best possible – just like the start of the game.
since the first whistle, Ferguson made all wrong decisions and it is him to blame for fucking up our season! not the young lad, nor anyone else!
costas
Come on mate you cant leave. there arent too many True Reds like you around, actually there are but cant remember, but u gt the point. If you remember i asked you once why this site is so good unlike other blogs and the official United message board. its because of True Manchester United supporters like you. i hope you’re just upset at a few comments and you come back.
As per the comments regarding SAF, he made the choices and for better or worse we gotta stick by him, just imagine having benitez as a manager or some other prick, we’re lucky to have SAF managing the club,i mean how many managers will get a say as to who will succeed him after their tenure as manager, he’s United to the very last blood cell and i hope when he does retire he sticks around in some capacity. if i wanted someone meddling in team affairs i think i’d rather have him
Once again to Costas and all the good posters out there lets stay on and keep this place alive cos there is nothing better than coming here and finding like minded people who generally share the same view
saw a few more match highlights.
- honestly, what WAS going on in carrick’s mind for olic’s goal? falling down so softly and staying there expecting to get a foul in his favour… argh! never followed him previously so i don’t see what the fuss with him was all about. i prefer supporting players based on how well he plays in the current season and not just blindly backing them up based on past performances. i don’t think we need to sell him if he was really as good as they say, just maybe push him into reserves games to wake him up like everyone else when they show lack of drive. he seems like a player who is too comfortable being in the first team and riding on past glory.
- rafael’s first yellow – spot on, although the opposing player should have got a yellow too for fouling first. love the kid but lashing out like that after falling down was plain stupid.
- rafael’s second yellow – how ON EARTH was that a yellow? he grabbed the arm but it didn’t disrupt the play, it was only when he ran up beside the opposition and got BARGED off balance did the ref stop the game, surely the ref’s initial decision was swayed by the bayern mob of players??
- valencia – totally impressed how he somehow always succeeds in getting a cross in, however one footed he may be!
- NANI – what can i say.. been a proud supporter of nani and glad he is making nani-bashers shut up! still can’t get it why ferguson didn’t play him vs chelsea from the start
- park – WHERE is he??? he should be compulsory for big games like this to pressure bayern!
damn,
something strange’s happening to those comments…
they live their own lives and appear where they want to, I guess.
sry for the mess, it was completely unintentional.
regards
reDalerT said it all.
just to make things clear – I don’t call for SAF to leave or whatever.
I just think he made wrong decisions that have costed us fucking much.
I think he makes those more often lately, including transfers of players
who completely do not fit into his image of United (Berbatov for a 4-5-1?).
nonetheless, I hope he will find a way, as he always did.
I believe he has a plan, and I/we are just too silly to spot it now.
if so, that’s great, but the fact remains – Ferguson’s decisions,
and the lack of the one that had proved to be crucial, lost the game!
fuckin pricks like you destroy rom….if it wasnt bad enough with dippers and rentboys.
And new posters on here…dont get too precious..
i know the old regs on here…its been a bad week…and unprecedented week..
costas is just taking a day or so out…back tmrw
ghtt is was at the game…hence will travel back
king eric…like me takes defeats hard……and pricks who wind you up…..back on form tmrw no doubt
and if all 3 arent back here by sat…………then im a dipper..
blimey feel dirty, sick and filthy saying that…ergghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wash mouth out time
Paul Parker – if you can reply what does frustrate me about this site is some fans who threaten to leave when other fans who post can make good points. For christ sake we do not want drama not everyone will agree with everyone it would be boring as hell if we all said the team is fantastic and everything is rosy in the garden that would be bullshiting ourselves we are not the scousers where we are deluding ourselves. fans threatening to leave dont be dramaqueens christ I have debated with PPL who love the PS3 vs XBOX 360 debate, just because I disagree I am not going to stop posting what I think. I am not going to leave this site because some idiots make retarded remarks. I want heated debate.
there some fans who are complete plonkers but there are those who say yes there are problems in the team that have been the decisive factor on some bad results and the past 10 days all the weaknesses have been shown. Like the spine of the team will need to be rebuilt, the midfield still needs a look at will carrick be poor next season and can fergie risk giving carrick another shot, and the striker situation was a huge factor in uniteds elimation from the CL. will macheda step up and deem his era where he arrives has ITS KIKO TIME.
Our weird season this year has been like this since rome last may. But did anyone catch the big debate on skysports news at 730 today, BIG RON was fantastic he was right the team looked sharper fresher and they played with a high intensity and there were legs in the team.
rooney the new king…spot on pal…
you’re my kinda guy…bob on
What? calling Fergi to go? FUCK yourself. three consequtive PL two CL finals one in the bag within four years is not enough? look at this season with all this injuries to our key players and still manage to fight for all not enough? building successful team after team for so long while the likes of wenger won only 3times in 15 years? i mean i can not call these fans. I have been supporting united for the last 15 years and fergi makes those years full of happines and joy and for this i say THANKS SIR. Fergi is the greatest club manager of all times and will be so for years to come. LONG LIVE FERGI!!!!
SAF is the greatest manager theres ever been…and the lads did us proud last evening…just things didnt go for us…and lady luck deserted us.
suhayl – cheers I will I post here alot like the bayern defeat I was posting at a insane rate, but I dont care if fans say fergie should go I will counter that and to be honnest its my duty to come on here and just deam any fan who says that they ARE COMPETE TWATS. it dissapoints me some fans will leave because some muppet post some stupid comment, dont you want to come on here and belittile the muppet, if the proper fans all leaved this site because some muppet said some disgraceful comment scots site would become infested with spoilt brats just bashing the site, scots site would lose its identity are they united fans or fans who want to take pot shots at the club and players.
the only thing stopping me posting comments on scots site is the dodgy virus that stil has infected ROM. I am putting my PC at risk at times just coming on here
true mate
ive always said…as the saying in boxing goes..styles makes fights.
We need diff opinion, we neet the constructive debate and discussion…ideas, problem solutions, get things off our chest…let anger, share our love and caring for utd with fellow fans around the world.
what other platform would give to be this family together on rom….
They are some great characters on here…i dont know some of the new recent posters..
but ghtt, k eric, costas, giles, dd, drew vader, fally, stephen, tonybee, etc etc etc are posters who are friends who i have the utmost respect for
and its always great to hear their views whether u agree with em or not…….
and always good when u have to bash the arse fans, the dippers, the rentboys when they come here….less dippers infiltrating this site for obvious reasons this season….but boy or boy they were very active the past 2 years.
always goood to bash the odd muppet who claims to be a utd fan and comes out with REAL shit…
Anyway they’ll be back tmrw…..
Ghtt and King Eric….you cant worry about 2 legends of rom
Costas is a mild fellow…you know you are mate…lol
i’ll fly to greece to get him back…lol
@Rooner the new king
I also experianced the same problem. i paid $199 to clean up my laptop. what is wrong with ROM? i did not check this site for two weeks but couldn’t do more than that as i always wnat to read something good about united and this site is better than many.
Paul Parker @ 23:40: “I think we have the defenders, wingers and the strikers to match anybody in the world and I think we have decent cover / options in those areas too BUT our central midfield needs much improvement to compete with the best next year.”
As always, a lot will depend on injuries. But, yes, UTD are strong in defence with a lot of quality first- and second-stringers. On the wing and, in Wayne Rooney, the central-striker position seems to be sorted for a 4-3-3 attack. The first three of Nani, Rooney, and Valencia is young and only going to get better for playing together. Again, injuries mean that for UTD – as for any team – there would be a steep drop-off when bringing in another player for any of that threesome. And, you just can’t predict injuries. I’m somewhat optimistic that Tosic can step up for some left-footed, left-sided depth. BUT, as you point out, the real issue is midfield – and it’s a landmine of questions:
Can Owen Hargreaves ever get fit ? If so, can he regain his level of play ?
Can Anderson realize his huge potential ?
Can Michael Carrick play with more energy and drive ?
Can Darron Gibinho really become a first-team player ?
Can Darren Fletcherinho continue to improve ?
Does Paul Scholes – or Sir Ryan Giggs – have anything left in big games ?
Can ThreeLungPark get a role in his natural central midfield position, or is he going to be used as a winger which just wastes his energy and costs the team’s attack by keeping either Valencia or Nani on the bench ?
Can Corry Evans or Paul Pogba realize their potential ?
What’s happened to Rodrigo Possebon ?
Is Tom Cleverley going to be as good in the EPL as he has been in his loan spell at Watford ?
and so on.
By and large, when UTD’s midfield has been “in sync” the team has done very well – regardless of the opposition (i.e. bossing the RentBoyz at Stamford Bridge, bossing TheArse, dominating ACMeeelan twice, last night against Bayern before Olic’s first goal changed the momentum) but when they’re not in sync (against the RentBoyz at OT and last week against Bayern in Muncih) then the wheels come off the wagon.
I’m not one of those who believes that TheBerbatovQuestion is especially important – mostly because SAF seems to have answered it already by NOT PLAYING the guy in so many crucial matches. Dimmy is not suited to the fast-paced, free-flowing style which we saw last night. He has loads of skill and talent BUT he’s just not the right guy in the right place at the right time.
If King Eric, Costas, and some others have thrown their toys out of the pram because some others are sceptical of Berbatov’s contribution – and wince when he’s in the first team – then that’s their prerogative. I respect their opinions – but I disagree with them. The great joy of taking part in Scott’s blog has been that, by and large, it’s been free of nastiness and name-calling. But it is a forum for discussing opinions – and that’s all. It’s not a religious site and it’s not some sort of blood ritual ceremony. I hope that they reconsider because the Republik of Mancunia will be weaker for their absence – but if they do return then they can’t expect submissive agreement to their opinions from people like me who have alternative viewpoints. It’s called “free speech”.
virus???? better get the fuck out of here…even though ive got the best upto date protection..
keep posting RTNK…need guys like you on here
take care pal
DD…you starting now are you???? lol..lol
just kidding
I think that one thing that has been lost in the upset over the away-goals defeat – UTD actually won the game ! – has been that even when down to ten men there were three excellent chances: Nani’s lung-bursting breakaway onto the delicious chip from Evra; Darron Gibinho’s side-footer; and Michael Carrick’s unfortunate sky-ball. In each of those instances, there were extenuating circumstances: Nani was oxygen-depleted and his shot was just a tad too low; Gibinho had to alter his approach to the ball because the referee was in his way; and Michael Carrick was extremely unfortunate that the ball jumped up rather than rolling to him. Shit happens.
But the important point to take from this is that UTD played a great game and losing to a goal of the quality that Robben scored is nothing to be ashamed about. Giving up those two awful goals in Munich is going to be a source of irritation for a long time – it’s taken Bayern eleven years to expunge the memory of that night in Barcelona and I expect that in-it-for-the-long-haul-fans are going to remember that last quarter-hour in Munich for a long, long time. And, no doubt, that memory will overwhelm the quality and fight that TheLads showed last night – for the sake of your sanity, try to see the half-full AND the half-empty glasses.
One other thing before I go for Horlicks and biscuits – Much as it sticks in my craw, I’m rooting for TheVermin to show us that they really, really, really are a great football club (and that the FatSpanishWaiter is a great, great, great tactician) so that they can big themselves up for the RentBoyz’ visit in early May. What a nasty trick of fate to have TheLads future in their hands !
Yesterday we were magnificent until the sending off. However after that we were helping the germans by giving away the ball. A teams of our standard we should have managed that kind of problem, specially at home. This teams is good enough to win everything but we need to keep the ball, add one CM and one striker.
Freedom of speech yes, calling our players names that the enemy have labelled our players BIG FAT NO!!! If you don’t like Berbatov fine by me, if you’re going to call him berbaf*** than you’re a cunt thats no different to a dipper.
denton davey – I agree with you I am a skeptic also why its not working out for him. I hope macheda can be given a chance and maybe its KIKO TIME. well if they have left for good maybe its temporarly which does suprise me it does not seem their style then others will have to take their place. no matter what fans say I will continue post christ it is also a way counter idiots saying BS about the club and the boss who fergie has been our suger dady.
suhayl – yea and yourself its 2 am well I might watch pulp fiction later not seen that in ages.
new signing…never heard of him before..
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Manchester-United-sign-Mexican-international-striker-Javier-Hernandez-article385307.html
Walk in the Park – no me maybe he will do for us what aguero did for atletico, mexico bring through top class talent but it does annoy me we keep signing unknown strikers there are only so many we can have on our books because if we gonna keep alot of them fergie will have to go back to 442 or 424 because you cant play 1 of the 6 you cant have 5 strikers on the bench or 3
@denton davey
Di Maria didn’t impress me tonight either, have watched him previously and thought he looked dangerous though, he played well in the first leg and there’s no denying he’s a good player, lightning pace, good feet and an eye for goal.
I’ve been really happy with Nani’s performance of late, was estatic with how he played against Bayern and glad he bagged himself 2 much deserved goals, i hope it will boost his confidence a little so all in all i’ve brushed Di Maria aside.
But yeah David Luiz looks promising, not sure wether the rumours earlier this year were just paper talk or wether there was some truth behind them but regardless I feel like he would be a good addition.
Fickle, fickle fans.
People makes mistakes. Not even Sir Alex Ferguson is immune to that. The fact remains that we are still very much in the title race, not like Arsenal who are kind of mathematically in the title race. Granted, we need the rentboys to slip after the stupid highway robbery they and Mike Dean somehow did to us, but if we play like we did in the first half of the 2nd leg against Bayern, not giving performances like the ones against Chelsea, then we are still on course to threaten those rentboys.
We will see them trip.
@rtnk
yeah..because he maybe good but its surely need time to adjust his football..i just hope we did not become new arsenal….
Daniel Taylor in the Guardian talks about United rejecting £40mill David Villa Deal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/09/manchester-united-david-villa
… now I know this guy follows United but come on – how on Earth does it makes sense o spend £40mill on a 28yr old striker when fergie clearly favours playing one striker in the big games!
come on mate you need a better example than that to show the debt problem
And K Eric and Costas…make sure you lads are on here tmrw…you are part of the foundations off rom…
its you guys plus a few others who make rom…..and one off the main reasons i came back and alot of these new guys on here miss you alot…however soppy that sounds..lol
bloody ell..its late…fag and bed ( fag as in cigarette by the way lol)
im sure this few week is the worse week i want to forget…first we lost to chelsea and bayern and to make thing much worse my futsal team got battered by our own sworn enemy yesterday…shit.
@Isaidso Well here is another one who support him. I realise that a lot of fans are weird blaming this and that player. He is the man of the match for me and many fans prefer to think pessimistic and blame rafael and carrick but not praise nani. I bet many fans are so happy when he score 2 goals but whenever he makes mistakes, all the groan people are so pathetic that they should go get a life. lol
I didn’t blame rafael that much because he still has time on his side. I blame carrick because he is already a international player and that sort of weak defending is bad.
@Walk in the park:
What are you talking about the new arsenal? We’ve been in this situation a few times, there was time where it was far worse than now. Transition time is normal for any football team, some take a few years, some faster. But knowing United we will bounce back pretty soon.
You all know, this thread actually proves what a horrible idea it is if the grand idea of letting fans have a say in the club happens.
A: “Omg, we lost, lets sack the manager!”
B: “But we are talking about the greatest manger of all time here?”
A: “He also lost us many things!”
A: “This player is crap, sell him!”
B: “But wait, he didnt even play? And he did not complain!”
A: “Hell! Just sell him because I don’t like him, he did not run until he fainted”
A: “Shit, is an unknown Mexican is the only player we can afford to sign? Sack the board!”
B: “But he is a very highly rated youngster, and I thought we are suppose to be a bedrock of young talent? Besides, Isn’t this the same board that sanctioned the purchase of Nani, Anderson, Berbatov, etc, for big money?”
A: “Just sack the board already, I don’t like them! The RK will let me have a say in the club and at the same time wipe out the debt!”
B: “Where are they getting the money from?”
A: “Who cares?”
Marq you have it spot on. Some of the fans are nitwits who need to go support Real Madrid
The only good thing about losing in the UCL is that most of the glory hunters will go support Barca, leaving the rest of us in peace.
@TheRadLegion
relax mate …
by new arsenal i meant the club flooded the team with youngsters from all over the world and finally left with small brit product on the first team…thats what i want to say.
of course we going to be more succesful than arsenal..that for sure…
When Fergie called out “typical Germans” he meant the club not individuals the likes of Ribery or Can Bommel for fuck’s sake. He has always honored and proud that a big club should behave like one. Just like how he has dreaded to witness how Real Madrid has behaved in recent years if not always
I pity the media fools so often getting it all wrong.
@ Manchester United Football Club & everyone in it:
I’m sick to the stomach & its already Friday lunchtime in Singapore. I ‘ve to read the ‘know-it-all’ comments from journalist who claim to know it all & then say they’re not ABUs. Abject -looking picturs of the players are strategically placed alongside such articles. How did ManUtd go 3-0 up at the Theatre of Dreams in a CL quarter-final match & then concede 2 bloody goals to get knocked out on away goals?
Well Sir Alex has already answered one of the questions that I asked yesterday….which means that with the signing of Chicarito we aren’t going to go for either Villa or Dzeko….I was watching videos of this guy on youtube and he looks pretty good…fast, good in the air, good finisher, good shot from outside the box…pretty much all that you can ask for a 21 year old striker…but I can’t rely on youtube….because Berba looks like god in the videos and he cant seem to fit into the united system…We’ll just have to wait and see whether Chicarito can fit into United’s fast and fluid counter attacking system…but by the initial looks of it he seems to fit the bill…
With this signing I think Fergie has pretty much bought an end to Berba’s dreams of playing long term for United because I honestly think Fergie rates a lively Macheda a better prospect than a languid Berba…The only problem is whose going to buy Berba for a 20 mill…because ill think thats the least Fergie will be looking for Berba….Man Shitty perhaps?
Now we need one more signing in midfield for next season…and I wont be suprised if Fergie spends the big bucks…considering that Chicarito seems to be a bargain buy for 6 mill….I personally would love to have Gourcuff in our side….we need someone whose comforatble at keeping possesion of the ball without giving it away so regulary like we have been doing this season…and who has the vision to play killler through balls to our forwads…This season we seem to be really one dimensional only attacking from the flanks…a creative central midfield player like Gourcuff would take us to the next level….GGMU
I think Hernandez is 2-footed player and it’s bloody brilliant. I don’t know what to make of it yet but it’s a piece of good news like a breath of fresh air.
i just hope this new guy is as good as his name EL CHICHARITO !!!
Corea- He’s 2 footed? Could be a replacement for Saha, then.
Morning guys.
He’s gonna be good for us, trust SAF
Will he get the number 14 ? or will tosic keep it ?
woooow who saw the corry evans goal yesterday? amazzzingggg and the other lad whos a fullback who scored a peach of a volley
obertan and brandy ripped them apart
and i loved it when we started singing LUHG when oliver gill scored the opener
@ all sane and reasoning reds
Costas, GHTT, King Eric
Lads dont let the mindless few on here get you down, its just young lads who have probably just heard about the blog!
I thoroughly enjoy reading your comments and sharing views on the club! I almosr threw the towel in myself but we left it would just be left to the glory hunters to tear the club apart after every defeat.
Reading the comments from North Stand Tier 3 back row kept me sane yesterday knowing there the regulars are of the same mentality!
Fuck the jonny come latelys and stay strog chaps!
“Freedom of speech yes, calling our players names that the enemy have labelled our players BIG FAT NO!!! If you don’t like Berbatov fine by me, if you’re going to call him berbaf*** than you’re a cunt thats no different to a dipper.”
Couldn’t agree more.
Macheda IS GOD says and i loved it when we started singing LUHG when oliver gill scored the opener. how can you support idiots victimising a really fantastic young talent booing his name and chanting protest songs at him because his dad has a job. Gill is going to be a wonderful player in the future if he keeps going the way he is an its “and i loved it when we started singing LUHG when oliver gill scored the opener” attitude that will make him pack up and leave or be sold for his on good. Oliver Gill to score the winner against United in the champions league final in 4 year just to piss off all the idiots
costas, king eric etc everyone will be back. ROM would not be half as much fun if it weren’t for all the great posts by king eric, ghtt, costas, redscot, suhayl i know had been a regular for yrs because i remember reading posts from the others saying how much they missed him. anyway, as suhayl said if they aren’t back by tomorrow, then i’m a dipper! *shudder*
seriously tho guys, WHY is noone talking about el chicharito? what a random signing…haha! i’m really excited about this little guy. love his name too! little pea
lol BTW when did gibbo become gibbinho? fuck all the gibson bashers. the guy’s only 22 and clearly has been taking some shooting lessons from mr scholes. let’s just hope he doesn’t take any tackling lessons from him as well 
come on guys cheer up. it was a shit week, had to hear a lot of crap from a lot of stupid people- gloryhunting fans/rent boy fans/arse fans/dippers fans….but who the fuck cares? it’s football. in hindsight, i’m really glad we got knocked out. our squad depth has been depleted to fuck by injuries and i want to concentrate on the title.
Typical Germans – Kicking Rooney knowing he is injured. Where the hell is the professionalism?! Ribery is Fuck. Wouldn’t want him in our team. The manager is investing in youth due to our debts. BELIEVE……… 5 more games for our season
Scott, I totally agree with you as far as Carrick is concerned. He has been shite the whole season(giving the ball away at Wolves,against Liverpool, and being Bayern’s best midfielder by a mile) and I feel he should move on, maybe back to Spurs.
Also, I don’t think that Berbatov has a future at the club. If the Wizard was prepared to risk a half-fit Rooney instead of playing Berbatov, then surely the writing is on the wall for him.
here are all the goals scored by chicharito so far this year… with his club (or former club now): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ovu0QGpAsQ
..and with the Mexico national team..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpngwHmSnXU&feature=related
he’s played 11 games with guadalajara and scored 10 goals and 4 games with Mexico and has scored 4 times
Why don’t people just ignore opinions they don’t like rather than leaving the blog.
On a seperate note, not sure how many of you got to see the reserves goals…… http://thebusbyway.com/2010/04/09/utd-reserves-6-hull-1-the-goals/ ENJOY!!!
@stretfordender
Thanks for the link! It’s nice to see the young lads doing well so they can continue the winning spirit of the team!
No problem, I know it’s harder for people to see the ressies as much these days!! Also some quality finishes which is nice… Obertan is looking promising again. Might be involved pre season. ?
No Rooney for Blackburn game it has been confirmed, God I hope we go with 2 up front!!
He definitely should. It’s squeaky bum time now so SAF won’t use the unproven ones, but not using him in preseason would just be silly. Why buy him then, eh?
Really hope Hargo gets back to full fitness, I’ve missed him most of all.
Scott could you please write an article on this new kid Chicherito? He seems to be a fantastic talent, and I would like to know what you think of him.
I think Kiko did enough to get the nod on Sat, with Dimi up front and Diouf on the bench. Hope Nani hasn’t burnt out, 5 games, we need 5 wins, no excuses…we probably havent done enough this year anyway but we are still there, all depends on Chavski now.
@ Rooney’s middle finger ….. a brief scouting report for our new kid here… http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Mexicos-new-striking-sensation/5387/
Lads and lasses check out this great read regarding Wednesdays fantastic display from our lads!
http://goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2010/04/09/1870677/manchester-united-comment-plenty-of-positives-to-be-taken
@stretfordender
Thanks for both links
stretford ender i’ve watched the goals many times i still love corry’s goal Sublimeeee
@Macheda is God, How you doing mate? Ain’t been on here in a while, heads been in the sand this week! I know mate, what I liked is that all the goals are different, Set pieces, counter attacks, crosses etc etc, Ole Gunnar is doing a suuuuuper job!
We could use new players in the mid. Like Davi Silva from Valencia and Moussa Sissoko from Toulose to add creativity and strenght. We got The Chicarito to add Macheda and Diuof, and a CB like Kjaer or David Luiz wouldn’t hurt.
Not to mention the talents in the academy like Pogba, Gill, King, Keane, and Cleverley. I know it’s early to talk about Tom, but he looks exciting in the field.
Future looks bright, and the best great thing is that we know that we have in Rooney a major talent that won’t walk away. Oh, and if that was what Nani was missing to be a world breaker, now there are no limitations.
macheda……joe dudgeons the lad…goal of the week….beautiful volley…corry’s was class…but it came off his shin
I thank Sir Alex Ferguson. I really think that this season Ferguson is attempting to use the wings well, but at the expense of playing only one striker.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=768302&sec=england&cc=4716
And we have got a bright future, haven’t we? We have the reserves firing as well and we are probably the only team in England who can field a B squad and still do a job in the EPL. Lovely.
@Paul Parker
“DOES ANYBODY STILL THINK BERBATOV CAN CUT IT AT UNITED?”
He does but Fergie needs to stop trying to turn him into Rooney. He needs to let Berba be Berba. When Rooney is injured or rested there is no point sticking Berba uptop alone and expect him to do a Rooney, that isn’t him and never has been. You just have to look at Spurs that he was always best when he was playing with a partner, especially Robbie Keane.
In preseason he actually looked to gel well with owen, probably more so than he does Rooney and CERTAINLY better than owen does with Rooney. Against Chelsea it should have been Berba and Kiko starting, and tbh I don’t think Berba did too badly against Chelsea, he just lacked the support he needed.
I would also say that actually our Midfield does stop Berba scoring more in many games. The Midfield works well with Rooney uptop BUT the formation doesn’t work and the Midfield are ineffective with some of our other attacking options. I also think the 4-5-1 is partly to blame for Carricks drop in form (That and capellos rant at him last summer for daring to break his toe early in the Champions League final). Some players attributes are just more effective in certain setups
@Costa & King Eric & GHHTT & Others leaving
Oh come on guys, grow some balls. Yes alot of the views from people are idiotic but look at some of the crap myself and others have had to put up with from users here and that includes personal attack on us which you haven’t had. You don’t let idiots drive you away.
We don’t always agree on subjects but I generally respect you all as you can hold a good discussion but if you are just going to give up like due to idiots then I cant help but lose some respect for you guys. So come on don’t dissapoint the regulars here who respect you by taking such actions
@Tony Starks
He was promoted to the First team again. He was in the squad for Chelsea but was intelligible for the CL game. SAF said everyone but Rooney is fit so he may be used against Blackburn I would imagine
sure, we do.
but that does not prove the point that we do not need changes and reinforcements.
I say Berbatov has to go. not only for the club but for himself as well.
he’s a specific player and he simply does not fit into United.
I think he is a good player but not for United’s 4-5-1.
Honestly, I’m shocked about how many sore losers are commenting here…Blaming the ref, blaming Ribéry, blaming van Bommel. I think Manchester deserved to go out, considering that over both legs they were the worse team (even though they had better opportunities in both matches). In Munich as well as at OT they didn’t manage to play good football over 90 minutes.
Plus what is it with all the terrible Nazi/Hunchback/Notre Dame insults. How old are you guys and don’t you have any sportsmanship? Come on!
Regards from Switzerlands
Off topic but has anyone else read this transfer rumor apparently based on a recent marca report (yes i know they make ‘the sun’ look like the financial times but they do sometimes hit the nail on the head due to their ‘favourite’ club leaking them stuff):
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/375831-swapping-benzema-for-vidic-makes-perfect-sense-for-manchester-united
personally all i can say is “NO, NO, NO!!!!!”
swapping a failed galactico that rm can’t be bothered to keep for more than a year for one of the top defenders in the world (proven top defenders being like gold dust) who is a big fan favourite – even if you can argue makes sense on the pitch (for the record utd seem to fall apart more when the defense is injured or not playing well than if our forwards go missing) surely it doesn’t make good business sense.
though considering that marca apparently thinks utd and rm have an “excellent relationship” after last summers business with them (as far as i know rm and utd fans can only agree that they dislike each other at best) which sounds like complete bollocks as i’m sure that saf is not the type to to a one 180 within the space of months on the ‘circus’ quotes along with less polite ones – in fact i’m pretty sure that saf often ‘flips the bird’ at them in private!
on a more serious note these rumors that seem to be started from the madrid end on vidic, evans, rooney, evra, etc….. are getting tiresome. if rm want all our players then they can buy out the glazers, if not then they can just shut up and go away – just because utd sold you our wpoty(08) doesn’t mean we’ll sell them any tom, dick or harry (despite popular belief from some areas of the press)!
@ TheHandOfSpaghettiMonster
I think Manchester deserved to go out, considering that over both legs they were the worse team.
WTF is wrong with ya..did you watch e right match????
They say the best things that comes from Switzerland its her chocolate n federrer. The rest just yoodle……
@ Thehandofspaghetti
Ribery is a muppet who coz he couldnt get past young Raf decided to get him sent off. So dont go on about sportsmanship, if bayern were sporting why did they surround the Ref to get him booked? simple coz they knew they couldnt win with Utd at full strength. And if they are sporting why try to kick Rooney out of the game? again simple coz they were scared of him, that ISNT sporting play you tool!!. Oh and to say we didnt play good football over the 2 ties is fucking laughable and shows your complete lack of understanding for this great sport. Admittedly the first leg we played shite but it was an off night as was the Rentboys game, the second leg however I think you will find Bayern were battered right upto the sending off (when suddenly Ribery started actually getting time on the ball, wonder why that was, Raf and pocket spring to mind!!) and even when we went down to 10 men we still had the better chances and it took an exceptional goal from an exceptional wanker to beat us!! We will return and we will rule again, enjoy the fact we are giving someone else a chance to be in the Semi’s this year!!
So in conclusion, you my friend are a fucking spanner!!
Regards from MANCHESTER!!
@ King Eric and Costas
Hello lads, Ive not been visting the site much myself lately coz of the absolute negative attitude that has suddenly enveloped this great blog. It will be a shame tho to see 2 of the old gaurd stop commenting!!
‘WILL NEVER DIE’
A lot depends on whether SAF thinks that this is some kind of ’96redux – does he want to reload or rebuild ? If it’s the former then I don’t think that this swap would make sense but if he thinks that this particular squad has reached its limit (and then some) then he very well might want to rebuild. Swapping a “in his prime” central defender is a huge risk – compounded by the fact that Nemaja Vidic’s partner is now fragile and can’t be depended upon to continue playing at a top level for much longer.
So, in logical terms, I would agree that this swap would be a steal for Madrid BUT what if SAF thinks that he has to rebuild ? Benzema has had a rude (pun intended) awakening in his time at Madrid and I would imagine that the prospect of being able to play rather than gathering splinters in his arse would be tempting and might re-invigorate him – there’s no question about his age, size, and talent but his “motivation” and “character” are unknown whereas Nemaja Vidic is a warrior on the pitch.
On the other hand, lots of players have been abused at Madrid – Samuel Eto’o and Esteban Cambiasso come to mind immediately – so perhaps the “problem” for Benzema has been that the environment at Madrid hasn’t been hospitable. There are rumours – constant rumours – that the Madrid dressing room is cancerous with Guti and Raul being the main agents of infection. Who knows ? Maybe Benzema has thin skin – again, who knows ?
The main point is that if SAF believes that a rebuild is in order then he has done this in the past – winning with kids. I see no reason whatsoever that the core of a “New-nited” can’t be built around Rooney, Evra, Fletcherinho, Valencia, and Nani with, hopefully, Anderson, Gibinho, KikoTheKid, and the Da Silva twins also being major contributors.
The “kids” are already in place so it shouldn’t come as a surprise to see a major overhaul with a significant shedding of senior players and their large, large salaries. The evidence from the last two games – at OT against the RentBoyz and Bayern – would seem to suggest that youth brings energy, enthusiasm, and dynamism. And, equally, the same evidence would seem to be that the value of “experience” can be massively over-rated.
In a sense, this situation is rather like the Carrick/Berbatov argument that has apparently so outraged some of our friends. It would be foolish to question their skill, but it is equally foolish to believe – all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding – that their slower, languid style is right for UTD. SAF has proved to be a man who is not particularly sentimental – his credo seems to be “what have you done for UTD lately”. And, the corollary also is relevant – would we be a better team with Y or without X. It’s a results-driven business and to be a successful boss demands a certain ruthlessness and belief in his own opinions. Oh, yeah, and he’s TheMan !
@Redhot Concepts:
I did watch it, actually watched it again today. And Manchester was the worse team.
First leg: 2nd minute goal, afterwards Manchester pulled back and let Bayern dominate the match for the remaining 87 minutes. 1st half both teams were about equal, second half Bayern dominated, Manchester only countered. And remember, they did have 11 players there.
Second leg: Manchester completely dominated the first half and could have led by 5:0. But from the start of 2nd half (even before the red card), Manchester looked scared and only tried to hold the result, which is a stupid thing to do considering Bayern’s terrible defensive line (Badstuber being the weak spot, playing his first pro season and being a CB but playing as a LB). So Bayern had like 70% posession in the second half and Manchester barely able to keep the ball longer than 30 seconds.
Trust me, I’m very neutral on this (remember, I’m Swiss). Are you?
Oh and by the way: Do you know this picture?
http://images.spox.com/userfiles/r/L/f/d/Y/Bi0v7CDeF4M6OpCDwAbvD0.jpg
I’m back !! Yippee come the cries from the red faithful. I wrote just prior to the match saying the choice of Gibbo was a master stroke and that Nani would score 2 goals (don’t believe me check the blog on match day at about 6.45) I was so up beat about the game I knew with all certainty that we would bloody stuff them. Im still upset with how it was thrown away. Kicking at Rooney was as Sir Alex said expected, I’d have done the same. However that buck tooth rotten scare faced rent boy Ribery is something else, Rafael briefly tugged his arm after he let go Ribery ran for 3 or 4 more paces and then cut across the front of Rafael, in no attempt to carry on playing. I hope we sign the French cunt, because I want him close by so when the oppertunity arises I’ll make him my own goo girl. I’ll do some serious dentistry wire his fucking face open and choke him on my jism. He wants to be a cheating worthless back alley European cock sucker I’ll make him a fucking champ. As you can well tell I’m not quite over the loss yet and am feeling pretty well pissed off with it all.
Cheer me up, good news about hernandez, looked on youtube and seems to be pretty useful with his head.
@TheHandOfSpaghettiMonster
ha ha Ronaldos holding his own head down, its a real battle in his head at that moment, BUT he seems to oblivious to the outside world and just relents.
Hand of Spag Bol Monster, not sure why you came on here really, apart from looking for an argument. You’re a day late, it was yesterday that we all tore into each other. You are entitled to your opinion, but I think your opinion is utter horse shite. I shouldnt even bother, but here goes…
United were bad in the first game granted, but Bayern still struggled to break us down, and scored from a deflection and a last second calamity of errors.
In the second leg, we destroyed them in the first half, agreed. You say that at the start of the second half before Rafeal was sent off Bayern were on top? That was for only 4 or 5 minutes, how can you base an argument that United were scared and were playing just to hold out after seeing a few minutes? If United kept 11 men on the field, we’d have won, no doubt. Even with all the possession we handed to them, they didnt create any clear chances, it took a screamer from Robben to break us down, while we cut them to pieces with 11 men, and even with 10 men we had the best chance of the second half when Nani went through one on one.
You’re Swiss? You have a brain like swiss cheese more like, with lots of holes in it me thinks.
And your last statement, “I’m very neutral, are you?” ….Emmm, are you thick? This is a United blog, we’re obviously biased towards United, we support United.
@Suhayl
You are the 4 year old, read your comments and your foul language and teh way you insult people as if you are some cool gang member. You overrate yourself, you sound like a ranting aggressive loony who is completely up his own arse, stop attacking other people, no one is impressed by you.
GIVE IT TO HIM NORTH STAND …. SAVES ME FROM CALLING HIM A TWAT…LOL
AHH FUCK HIM SUHAYL….I LOVE IT WHEN YOU HAVE A RANT…LOL
@ Suhayl
Your post at 0.54 is fucking hilarious mate!! brilliant!! I had to read it twice I laughed so much!!
@North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row
Well I came here not for an argument, but to discuss the match with some Manchester fans. Actually I had been here before and liked the discussions here.
You are right, probably Manchester wasn’t as bad as I thought but I guess that comes from my high expectations prior to the quarter finals. Actually I didn’t think Bayern had a chance (or maybe a 20% chance) before the 1st leg and I was disappointed by Manchester’s performance. They just didn’t really reach their potential at all, apart from the 40 minutes on Wednesday.
And you are right about Bayern struggling to create real chances, but that I expected, since Manchester is known to have the best defence in all of Europe.
That’s why, in my humble opinion, Bayern deserved to go through: They managed to score 4 times in 2 games against the best defence in Europe while Manchester also scored 4 times, but against a defence that is actually laughed at even in Germany…
Come on guys. We are all down after the results. Contain yourselves!
NBI Red Onion – Actually, i like suhayl posts there full of passion and he doesn’t suffer fools gladly, keep up the good work suhayl and don’t let the bastards get you down.
Lets just cross our fingers and look forward to the rest of the 5 games…
@ davey denton
tbh do you really see perez holding his hands up after one season and say that he made a mistake in buying a big name striker for 35m euros (and i think around 100,000 euro wages a wk after tax) and that he should of just signed down (calderon’s signing) higuain to a LT contract with hefty payrise (i think the ‘poor’ guy is only currently paid around 1.2m euros a yr) and benzema giving up on ‘his dream’ so quickly. – both are too proud, too stubborn and too big of an ego to amount they made a bad decision (as things currently stand). I think it is more likely that if any young forward from rm is sold this summer it will be higuain as he is a calderon signing, reports still suggest that some of the board members there want him out and marca also don’t seem to be that fond of him which apparently is not a good sign.
Also reports out of spain suggest that this will most likely be both raul’s and guti’s last season before they move to another club & league to probably finish out their careers (pl looks likely for both apparently) I actually find it very sad that 2 of their legends/LT icons cannot retire at the club which they have spend the majority of their careers either because they are being forced out behind the scenes, or they no longer want to stay there, or a mixture of the 2.
Yes saf isn’t that sentimental but he is a damn side more sentimental than madrid will ever be. Also I don’t think those 2 are/were the cancer as you suggested – madrid cancer started in their boardroom and their politics, their players and fans (see wengers quotes on their fans celebrating signings like they won something) getting ‘big heads’ are just the resulting symptoms. The problem with madrid is that they are now more glorified than football club (probably more horse show to boot these days going by their transfer policy in both galactico periods so far) and if a players chooses to go to play there you use your head rather than your heart as unless they are brilliant on the pitch and are still highly commercial right up till they retire as unless the player also thinks business wise they will most likely get screwed around and probably chucked away when it suits them (RVN gave an interesting interview about the clubs he had played for in this article which helps prove my point – http://netherlands.worldcupblog.org/world-cup-2010/ruud-von-tor-hsv-is-my-last-gig.html) That is why I wouldn’t be surprized if ronaldo got screwed around by madrid before the end of his career as he is obviously thinking with his heart towards them (his already said several time this season he wants to retire there and seem willing to mess things up at utd to get there in the first place) as he has given madrid all the cards and unless he retires v early or is in the top 5 bracket throughout his whole career (the way football is these days and players getting better younger, that is unlikely) i can see our ex player getting a huge shock around his 30′s birthday (give or take a couple of years) – the only player retiring at real in the next 15 yrs for certain is probably castillas and that’s only because a lot of top draw goalkeepers can stay that way right up to 40!
back on topic i don’t think that we need wholesale changes and buying in youth is a good idea but I think that 1 or 2 players bought in with european cup experience (even uefa may do) who still have a good 8-10 yrs of their career left wouldn’t be such a bad idea – especially as when rooney’s injuried we don’t seem to have a plan 2 up front at the moment in the big matches such as the bayerns and the chelseas (compared to last season when we probably also had a plan 3 in most situations when needed) – it is probably wise
Anyway, here’s to big sam smashing chelsea on tuesday – or at the very least tiring them out for tottenham – the pl title race is not over just yet and i beat there is at least one more big twist to go in this years comp!
Wakey
i for one is happy i have not read anything from GHTT for a while now, my opinion is he was a smug git, but i always like to hear what costas and king eric have to say..i also havnt seen AIG for a while, i hope it isnt because of the sheer keyborad bullying he got from GHHT
dl @ 18:53: Thanks for the thoughtful reply – I really only know about RM what I read in the ENGLISH online sites so I stand corrected about their internal politics. However, I’m not especially concerned with them or their issue except insofar as they impact on my club – UTD.
About your last statement, I’m not holding my breath. The RentBoyz play against Villa in the FACup and then again on Tuesday before going to White Hart Lane – and Spurs play their FACup game on Sunday and then go against TheArse at home on Wednesday so the RentBoyz will have an “extra day’s rest” to prepare for Tottenham. This – and the fact that Spurs can always be expected to bottle it when the pressure is on – doesn’t suggest an especially difficult two games for Chel$ki. The real key for them will be their match against TheVermin who look to have righted their ship and will be desperate to get fourth place, ahead of ManShitty and Spurs. That will be on the penultimate weekend of the season, at Anfailed, so the odds might just be evens or, perhaps, a slight advantage for TheVermin.
Basically, this past week has really fucked up UTD’s quest for # 19 and EuroGlory. In the EPL, even winning all five remaining matches might not be enough – don’t forget that the RentBoyz have a four/five goal lead in the goal difference category which is the tie-breaker. So, UTD are something of a long-shot in that competition. It would be nice to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat but the odds are against us. Relying on Spurs and Liverpoo adds a very ironic twist to the affair, too. And, of course, TheArse are lying in the weeds, with the easiest final five matches so it would be idiotic to count them out.
All SAF can do is to pump up the jam and get TheLads to put the pedal to the metal. Who knows what might happen – too many permutations in a season with a lot of strange results (I still can’t get my head around losing ot Burnley).
@ Ulster Red, Come on mate you are from northern Ireland you are made of hard stuff and a fucking Gael, You just laugh and smile at shite that is typed at you, its WORDS behind a screen, most lads as you know, think they have Bollocks the size of a Spacehopper behind the screen.
Its Childish and Immature and thats from me 18.Scots as hard as fucking nails and fighting Mohammed Ali next week. and Stevie Wonder after that.
Any ways its all a bit raw just now, I am heading down to Blackburn tommorow, a night in Manchester before the game, lock up your Daughters Wifes and Sheep.
PMSL meet you in the year 2000, PULP. ohhhh get up to date. lol
redscot
lol you always make me laugh mate..listen i know the keyboard warriors there is loads out there trying to be this or that!!
pulp rock my friend!! – cant beat the classics!! and im 23 yeoo
@ Ulster a lot of the Lads that have vanished made me laugh like crazy at there posts and I mean that dead gen, I learnt a bucket load from those Boys.That is what is fucking stupid mate, a few eedjits asking for the Proven one’s head ,makes me cringe and wanna be sick.
I just loved reading back through there posts there immense knowledge enthusiasm and intergity.I really like blogging I think foolishly I think you can picture a poster and there mojo.
I can be a ignorant twat on Match nite and if we are beaten or cheated, and I hate myself for it immediately the post is registered, but its adrelanin and spontanous, I just dont carry a vendetta around a blog.
On Music ok…….. From your Era I like Vera Lyn and more up to date, James………… ohhhhhh Sit Down………….. Sit Down next to me. lmao
redscot – I wouldn’t worry about it mate, they’ll be back after they cool down.
redscot
james are from manchester aswell if i recall right, but the lead singer tim boot is a leedscum, the cunt!!!
sorry *booth
@ willie, I hope so its gonna be less fun in the morning reading the comments little jabs and humour, in fact if they dont am gonna have to subscibe to the Sun, purely for a wank over page 3 and to save on toilet paper.
Would be nice gents if we could turn the best blog in the country back to the club we all love.. Get some positive comments and get behind the boys. maybe then we might get some of the lads back who so obviously had the club in their heart and let others who wanna talk about shit all go to another site… just a thought..
redscot – You kidding, put some Makaveli on.
Let me begin by saying how much I love this site. Ever since I found it via my iPhone it has been my number 1 place to come for post match celebrations and commiserations.
Regarding our Euro exit, I have never been more proud in defeat than I was that night. If U’re going to go out of the Champions’ League, that’s how to go! But I felt even better knowing that the future of our club is not in doubt. Looking at the men that carried our fight that night and thinking even of those to come: Diouf, Macheda, Obertan, Possebon, Evans, Smalling,Tosic, Anderson, Fabio and even absent friends like Hargreaves tells me that next year could be ours. If not, then the year after or even after that. What lies in front of us is far bigger than what we have achieved and we have achieved a lot.
In years past, even our enemies counted on us to find the answer when Chelsea sought to make the Premiership a personal affair. I remember those days in 2006/2007 when they looked to us to end Chelsea’s artificial dominance. We duly obliged and replaced it with ours. This time all of Europe will look to someone, anyone to end Barcelona’s reign. They will find us ready.
This thing they call failure is not the getting knocked down, it’s the staying down. We have a track record of getting right back up.
UNITED FOR EVER
@Willie, och ok, what the fuk is that. chelsrent midfielder. Makaveli
I AM Totally gassed jaked pist bladdred, but in my mind set i thought the boys were sound AS a Pound wedensday, just pure us and team be to be proud of, I was as chuffed as fuck mate.
No need to rewrite what is writing, anyways just back fae the pub, and my burd, in Blackburn top, bring it on. GUESS what someones gonna get fucked. .
I refuse to wear my shin pads. nite boys lads lassies
Dont worry lads…
Red onions…SOME FACTS I WANT TO CLARIFY YOU CLASS A MUPPET.
1. THIS WASNT YOUR ARGUMENT
2. YOU AINT A MODERATOR ON HERE
3. IF SOME GUY CALLS FOR SAF’s HEAD…YES A STUPID COMMENT LIKE THAT…YES THEN I WILL HAVE A POP AND GIVE IT TO THEM
4. IF IF IF YOU READ MY POSTS… YOU’LL SEE I DIDNT SWEAR FIRST
5. I DONT THINK BIG OF MYSELF…I DONT ” OVERRATE MYSELF’. EITHER..LOL..LOL……ID HAPPILY BACK ANYTHING I SAY UP IN REAL LIFE…I AINT NO VIRTUAL WANNABE…..
6. IF I SUPPORTED UTD ALL THROUGH THE 80′S…..THEN THAT MAKES ME OLDER THAN 4
7. IF YOU CANT STAND FOUL LANGUAGE…THEN GO ON SOME PC FORUM OR WEBSITE….MAYBE NUNS.COM
8. LASTLY I LOST MY RAG…BECAUSE SOME PRICK DECIDED TO HAVE A POP AND SLANDER MY MOTHER…YES MY MOTHER.
NOW IF YOU FIND THAT ACCEPTABLE AND LIKE YOUR..YES YOUR MUM BEING CALLED ALSORTS…WHEN THERE IS NO NEED…THEN GOOD ON YOU. I FUCKIN PERSONALLY DONT TAKE IT LIGHTLY WHEN SOMEONES BRINGS MY MOTHER INTO IT..INTO A UTD DEBATE.
UNDERSTAND??????
IF YOU DONT…i’ll say it to your face….im at the blackburn game this week……..jack walker..turnstile…darwen end…..i’ll happily clarify things for you.
IF NOT….dont unnecessarily have a pop at me
muppet
“up your own arse”? no im not..
” not impressed by you”……lol
who the fuck are you? my old school headmaster???
acting like you’re my dad…
condescending twat
like i said..if youve got some beef with me….no problem…sunday 1…i’ll happily meet you outside ewood
if not..then FUCKIN JOG ON
@ suhayl….
1.00…near that doctors surgery..bring the flasks…
@ onions….
seriously dont have a pop at suhayl….believe me sir, he’s one hardcore nutter……bleeds utd, i know him personally…top top guy…but id wouldnt ever want to upset him..lol…catch me drift…
suhayl…answer your flamin phone man
At least Pat’s looking forward !
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&newsid=6648022&page=1
We’ll win the league!
suhayl its saturday, are you a dipper yet
I have to say only reading this blog a few months and writing comments a few days i must say i can see what everyone was talking about. you do write so entertaining things
I WANT BENZEMA IN!
no matter what his motivation is,
he HAS NO CHANCE to perform worse that Berbatov.
and by “worse” I mean the profits (or, in fact, the lack of profits) he contributes to the team!
he has PACE! we need PACE! we need him and we need to get rid of Berbatov
unless SAF plans to play 4-4-2.
ax1d ARe you sayingberbatov has no pace and doesnt contribute to the team, he guy has mre assits than anyone last season in the premiership apart from cesc. he has pace to burn skill and flair vision and is strong. if you say he gives united nothibg and has no pace then you know nothing. jump on the bandwagon
One thing that BerbaBashers overlook is that Berba is not playing any different than he was at Tottenham. Sir Alex must have known he wasn’t getting a warrior, but a player who could give United an edge against tight-marking, well-drilled defences. Such players usually produce their best when played alongside pacy partners who can benefit from their ability to disorient defences with a sleight of foot. His games against Fulham, West Ham last Season and even Everton at Goodison Park this season show this.
We, for our part, have switched to the lone striker formation and have had much success with it for 2 seasons, making Berba look redundant. That being said, he is starting to look like he is adapting to the lone striker role. The keyword here is “starting”. He looked good against Wolves and against Bolton played by himself. As time goes on, he’ll do it against better sides. If we’re honest he didn’t even have a bad game against Chelsea, the midfield did.
All in all, not a bad player at all. Sir Alex trusts him and that’s good enough for me. There’s a reason Sir Alex is managing the team and I’m the guy sat in front of a laptop typing on a fan blog.
Thanks Sarah….i try my best ..lol
And Damn you’re right…they havent shown up, and now i feel filthier than than a guys whose slept in cow dung for a 100 years..lol
Time to have multiple showers
Thanks for your comments, also apologies for language…i do get passionate as you can tell.
And great great great great to hear from female utd fans……who KNOW their football……a rarity in life and even more so on ROM. When i started posting on rom many years ago..there were no female posters…so its great uve joined the rom club…
keep the posts coming
PS. wish me ex girlfriend understood footie…top lass, looks etc etc…but she couldnt tick that last box for me…..every guys dream a girl who can also tick that final box..:-)
take care and again apologies if you were offended with my french.
DarkRed1 you hit it spot on about Berbatov. To me, his lack of living up to a price tag comes not from his poor production, but rather the team’s inability to use only two midfielders and thus allow us to go 4-4-2. At 4-4-2 he could offer us a lot more.
A close look at Berbatov shows that he works harder now. Furthermore, when asked to start, he has scored quite a bit lately, apart from the Chelsea match. The one knock I have on him though is that he does not fill any sort of target man role. Everything has to go to feet and eliminates our ability to clear from deep to the front line and allow the team to retain possession.
I have thought in my head, and like you said, there is a reason why SAF manages and I try to blog, that maybe we could retain the current lone striker formation and ask Berbatov to play a central midfield role with Fletcher and someone else doing all the dirty work and then just feeding him the ball. There are obvious issues with this, but something that would be potentially worth a look.
Let’s face it. The problem with Berbatov is that he’ll come close to Cantona, and while Cantona delivered at the most crucial of moments, Berbz has been rather hit and miss.
Talent-wise: It’s almost on par. But with everything else, he’s lacking.
Big shoes to fill and in a way you could feel sorry for Berbatov. But that’s what you get when you play for the best.