The good and bad of tonight, aided of course by hindsight…
Good
- Wayne Rooney’s fitness: He managed to run around and even after being kicked and looking as though he was fucked, managed to keep on playing. Hearing he was in the starting team on the radio on the way to the ground and listening to all those Ingerlernd pricks whinging about it was really a brilliant start to the evening.
- The first half: We played bloody brilliant football and created chance after chance. Following the disappointing result at the weekend I was so pleased with our attitude and performance.
– Team selection: With 11 men we were never going to get knocked out. Darron Gibson warranted his inclusion with the opening goal and the risk of playing Rooney paid off.
- The feeling when we scored: I surprised even myself with how happy I was when every single one of our goals went in. Maybe it was the man going bonkers behind me and throwing me all over the place or maybe it was because I really believed we were going to the final, but it really did feel better than it has done for a while when celebrating our goals.
- Nani: As well as his two goals and his loony celebration, he had a great game today. He worked as hard going forward as he did defensively, and even when fighting a losing battle when up front by himself, he chased down every ball. Whatever people want to say about the comparisons with Ronaldo, CR9 never worked as hard for our team as Nani did tonight and I take my hat off to him. All his recent talk about now understanding what it means to be a United player clearly isn’t just PR bollocks.
Bad
- Michael Carrick: Had we been 3-0 up when we went down to ten men, you would have to fancy us still. However, Carrick was at fault for Bayern Munich getting themselves back in to the game just before the end of the first half. He then contributed nothing positive to the game, selling Van der Sar short with a backpass, blew the opportunity to put us 4-1 up and lost the ball repeatedly. I’m not one of those fans who have been bashing Carrick for the past few years, but he has made it hard to do anything other than slag him off over pretty much the season as a whole. I personally wouldn’t have him anywhere near the starting XI for the remaining five games and give him the summer to think over whether he really fancies this whole United player lark or not.
- Keeping Rooney on: Wazza shouldn’t have appeared for the second half. He’d had a near miss in the first half and for him to come back out in the second half, with him largely ineffective, seemed pointless.
- The referee: Wow. Did our players miss the memo that said if you fall over, regardless of whether you are fouled or not, the referee will award a freekick? Sixteen times the referee blew for a foul on Bayern Munich players and I’d argue even half of those were generous decisions.
- Rafael da Silva: I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career. We have put our Premiership title in jeopardy for the sake of the Champions League and this risk would have been justified had we progressed to the semi-finals tonight. Now we are second in the league and without the comfort of Europe to make it worth our while. Taking forever to get off the pitch, moping with self-pity, didn’t exactly endear him to me. I hope Gary Neville has a chat with him tomorrow morning at Carrington and I wouldn’t be averse to him giving a slap or two either.
I’m fucking gutted Scott. I’m having a hard time finding any good in it, especially since I feel we lost the Chelscum match because of a European hangover.
In his defence, Rafael was absolutely fantastic before he was sent off, Van Bommel should have gone in the first half and the second yellow was very, very dodgy – especially when Robben lashed out in the same incident – had he connected surely he would have been the one seeing red.
To Rafael’s credit: while it was a silly silly way to get sent off in one of the most important games the season, he did have a really good game otherwise and really troubled Ribery.
So yes, he has to bear responsibility but don’t write him off, he still is the future of the right back position.
The rest of it is spot on, I think, except maybe for Gibson, who can shoot but that’s where his contribution ends.
Great to see Nani and Valencia destroy their defense. Rooney had a good first 20 minutes but should not have been kept on.
I think the team deserve credit for a brave performance – even with a man down, they fought hard and could have scored.
We do need central midfielders though, Carrick, Gibson, and unfortunately Scholes and Giggs to an extent cannot compete at the highest level.
I think that Nani proved today that as soon as he gets the consistency we have a winger as talented as the one who left in summer at our disposal.
its hard to disagree with any of that…
A tad harsh on young rafa there.I feel he didn’t play to badly and the 2nd booking was a bit harsh. Kept Ribery pretty much in his back pocket all first half. Couldnt agree more with the rest tho.
I Agree about everything especially about carrick.. have to disagree about rafael though.. harsh by the ref and such a young lad.. But it was unnessesary.. but you would expect carrick to be better than rafael anyways which he wasnt by a mile
Scott: “Had we been 3-0 up when we went down to ten men, you would have to fancy us still. However, Carrick was at fault for Bayern Munich getting themselves back in to the game just before the end of the first half.”
I agree with this argument – that damned Olic’s goal was the crucial event in giving Bayern a way back into the match. And, it’s impossible to argue that Carrick was at fault in that sequence that led to Olic’s shot and goal – Van Der Sar was hung out to dry.
Scott “He then contributed nothing positive to the game, selling Van der Sar short with a backpass, blew the opportunity to put us 4-1 up and lost the ball repeatedly”.
A bit harsh – that “opportunity” was a bouncing ball which really gave Carrick trouble.
“I’m not one of those fans who have been bashing Carrick for the past few years, but he has made it hard to do anything other than slag him off over pretty much the season as a whole. I personally wouldn’t have him anywhere near the starting XI for the remaining five games and give him the summer to think over whether he really fancies this whole United player lark or not.”
Scott – you’re a tough bastard ! On the other hand, I have been one of those who have questioned his style of play and I’m not sure that sending him into the corner, wearing a dunce’s cap, is the right response. Rather, keep the faith and then make sure to find someone else to provide more drive to the midfield – by the way, Darron Gibson’s inclusion caught me by surprise but he justified SAF’s choice for much, much more than the first goal. Darron played extremely well – and he’s a tough bastard. So, since UTD won’t be buying Daniele De Rossi then perhaps Gibson can morph into Gibinho to play alongside Fletcherinho in a Gaelic samba.
Agree on all the points, more or less.
Thought Carrick was, once again, totally inept, and I would place a good deal of responsibility on him for their second – caught sleeping in the centre circle again in the build up to the corner. Lost count of how often that has happened this season – he has never recovered from playing in defence! Needs to book a Thomson package deal if he wants to be in S Africa this summer, and, as you said, should be very worried about his place at United. Does he want it enough?
Thought Rafael was excellent when he was on the pitch, just the stupidity that comes with youth that got him sent off – a kick out and his perpetually flailing arms!!! still, it happens so often he needs to man the fuck up or those kinds of mistakes will continue to cost us.
Nani, what a transformation! I was a Nani basher, but bloody hell, I take my hat off to him – what a trasnformation, let’s just hope we see similar improvements from Anderson in the new season.
Good/Bad: the attitude after going down to 10 men and losing the goal: Great workrate, superb chasing, lots of attempts, never lost hope. So why not just a plus? Because we didn’t get the goal, so the running didn’t pay off and now our team could be knackered come the weekend.
Enough good things to inject some belief into what a side that has gone through a bad spell. Let’s just go for it boys – win 5 games and I reckon we’ll be champions!
Scott are you serious..?
You want the effects of tonights match to stay with rafael for the rest of his career??
one of our very own bright young prospects.
shows how much of a fan u are..
i for one hope he can get over this,it will be difficult but life goes on.. true fans support players, especially young talented players like rafael who are the future of our club..
We couldn’t have put it better ourselves. 2 goals conceded in a match we were 3-0 up and only had to win 1-0!? When I said I was going to read out your good and bad comments I asked what the 1st words of bad were going to be…. My 11 yr old step-son said “Carrick”. BTW, in the goods, you missed out the absence of Park and, in the goods, the fact that Silvestre is no longer laying the ball off for the opposition. 6:16 over here in Florida which means enough time to drink to the point where I forget the score.
I think you are seriously wrong in putting Carrick in the bad category, and arguably with putting Rafael in there. Carrick tracked the deep striker brilliantly before being knocked off balance while running. You have to ask, where were the central defenders when the striker picks up the ball ten yards out? Rafael was our player of the first half without doubt, and was terribly unlucky to be sent off. I was expecting a final warning, especially given our covering players, but the card was unwarranted. Having said that, of course going down to 10-men ultimately cost us the game so I can see where you’re coming from. Much as I love Giggs (and believe me, the man can do no wrong in my eyes!) I would have rather brought on Macheda, my philosophy being we might as well lost outright as go out on away goals. A touch cautious, I felt the subs were, given the circumstances.
Rafael is one of my favorite of the youngsters. His performance tonight just underscores the fact that he has the skill and the heart to play for United. But fuck if that challenge wasn’t stupid. Already with one yellow to go after Ribery like that was just letting his emotions take control.
In my opinion if the worst thing that happened to us tonight was one young player defending too aggressively (and it was) then we did pretty well.
Now to bump Chelsea off…
the annoying thing is our RB’S in both legs were the big factor why united went out
Jam1991
give scott a rest pal.. he is probably a few beers deep already
Gibson impressed me, great shot on him and he’s always looking to get the play moving forward, doesn’t just sit back. Remember he’s only 22, could still have a bright future at Utd. Agree about a CM’er though, need a world class one who can take over from Scholes, not someone who has the potential to do so.
Jam – you’re right, I’m a shit fan.
I said: “I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career.”
Every time he even thinks about petulantly fouling someone or pulling someone back (let’s be honest, he’s not exactly a fast learner where these fouls are concerned, given he’s guilty of them every time he plays), I hope he remembers how much of a cunt he feels right now. I hope that guilt of being at fault for United’s European exit never leaves him and makes him feel like he always owes us one, because he does.
Anto – I’m not really arsed where the centre backs were. The fact was Carrick is there and went down like a sack of potatoes. It’s not like that Olic is stacked. If he can’t deal with something like that, then he shouldn’t be on the park. My bloody Gran could have put that ball in the stands!
Denton Davey – Carrick has been shockingly bad for a while now and I’ve kept schtum on it. I don’t like ripping our players apart. But tonight was a night where he needed to show up and he was shit and cost us a goal. If he can’t show up for our biggest game of the season, why should we trust him to show up our next five biggest games of the season? I don’t.
Scott the Red – dont you feel rooney despite his precence was not ready, I feel berbatov or macheda should have been given the confidence and said go out there and show what you are made of. and also dont you also feel our RB’S in both legs cost us the game
sprite @ 23:13: “have to disagree about rafael though.. harsh by the ref and such a young lad.. But it was unnessesary.”
Blame it on the exuberance of youth – and, hopefully, it will be a learning experience. The kid had a terrific game apart from two brain cramps – both of them being “unnecessary” from a defensive point-of-view since both were committed well outside the danger zone. If UTD were going to lose then I’m “relatively happy” to lose with youth. Rafael will get better and what a message to the youngsters to play Rafael and Gibinho and Nani – in place of RedNev, Sir Ryan, and ThreeLungPark – in such a crucial match.
I had a feeling that the embarrassment on Saturday against the RentBoyz was a kind of swansong for RedNev, Giggs-y, and the GingerNinja. I would hope that SAF counsels these three “Legends” to go out when they’re still almost at the top of their games so that they don’t embarrass themselves and blot their copybooks with the fans (with short memories).
This season was supposed to be a “transition” after losing the self-proclaimed best player in the world and Carlitos; it wasn’t because TheLads have exceeded almost everyone’s expectations by competing in the EPL and the CL (and the EPL still isn’t over !). But now some hard decisions need to be made about those three amigos and draft some more of the kids – Cleverly and Macheda and Fabio and maybe even Obertan and Diouf – into the first-team squad. It’s time for a transfusion of new blood.
Personally Scott I think you’re bang out of order on this score! Utd’s exit has been down to sloppy defending with the ball in play. The away leg when we threw it away especially. Yet when you look at the things that went against us-a flukey deflected free kick, the Vidic header hitting the bar etc, allayed with how well the lads played tonight, then you have to say we have purely fallen victim to the lottery that is knock-out football. Utd fans are some of the worst at criticising their own, especially when we suffer low periods like now. How about not making scapegoats for once? Ribery would have pissed all over Gary Nev tonight judging by his perfomance on Saturday yet he’s comeback so well this season for us. We’ve got a trophy this year. Who know’s what will happen for the rest of the season? But would we swap all this for supporting another club? No chance!
don’t want to be overly critical but people saying rafael had ribery in his pocket for 50mins – the game is 90mins not 50 and rafael was responsible for getting sent off due to the over eagerness for the 1st yellow… it’s tough on the kid but this is a champions league semi-final, not a friendly game – this is the very highest level, if you are playing at this level you have to be able to handle it…
i’m sure he will learn but he makes the same mistakes… but i do think he will be a top player for us – hopefully
Rooney you are a eddjit, i wont elobarate, total nonesense you type.
@Jam1991
I know you’re having a laugh. Direct me to your blog that you’ve been working on for years. Go back to supporting Chelsea should they win the league.
Scott – Fair enough, but taking both legs into account, it was hardly all down to rafael was it??
Evra’s lapse in concentration / Nevilles unecessary handball / The whole midfields passing innacuracy in the first leg..
I just thought u were a bit harsh on young rafa.. just my opinion
Michael Carrick makes my blood boil. Everytime I see his name on the team sheet it sends a shudder down my spine. It’s like reocurring nightmare in which your dad walks in on you whilst having a wank only ten times worse.
It’s like having a donkey on your team. How has he got away with being a professional footballer for so long? The bloke can’t even run!
Did anyone see when he got subbed that Evans had to direct him where to sit down? The bloke has shit for brains, the gormless cunt.
Bit harsh on Rafa, mate.
We defended really well with ten men and went out to an amazing goal. 9/10 that shot would have hit row Z!!
I have a horrid feeling that this is now the end of our season. Rooney should never have played in the second half, and Ferg showed exactly what he thinks of Berba. He will never be a United player. Nani was brilliant and based on 1st half performances, Rafael was man of the match. Ribery was nowhere to be seen. Rafael will learn form his stupidness, and I hope Fergie picks him vs Blackburn away.
Scott, mate. self-pity is a feeling we endure every fucking minute of our lives. i am not in a position to argue with you but you too harsh. there will be another day..
20Olegend99 – spare me ur words
There was alot of good in this match and Rafael still had a very good game if we ignore the red card, he is still young. Nani and Valencia were fantastic.
Carrick had a terrible game, and he’s had a plenty, he just can’t keep the ball. We could really use Owen Hargreaves in these games.
Anto..spot on mate! You could argue that Carrick shouldn’t have bothered to track back! He bodged it up but I wondered when Olic became Carrick’s man? The guy was awesome for two years yet never got the recognition he deserved. Same with Evra..these boys never had songs while lesser lights and ex players were and still are lauded. One of the things I’ll never understand about games at OT..sorry about going off on a tangent there!
Yet another missed opportunity. What a disappointment after near perfect first half. When the opposition beats you fair and square you cannot complain but on this occasion we beat ourselves . Even in the away match with 12 minutes to go, despite their domination they were going no where. Neville gave a silly hand ball and how dearly Evra’s moment of madness cost us.
Tonight, their first goal changed the match and gave them belief. Had we gone in 3:0 up at half time, I am convinced that second half would have been different and it would have been difficult for Bayern to pick themselves up. Of course Rafael has a lot to learn, but Carrick should have known better.
As it is, we have to hope that we will be better equipped for the next season.
Absolutely dissapointed with Carrick’s performance. He should have done better!
Jam – if it was a one off by Rafael, then fair do’s, but how many times have these sort of fouls fucked us over? We nearly got knocked out of the League Cup semi by City because he pulled that same trick a couple of months ago. Fabio got sent off for the same this season too. If he’s not going to learn his lesson, then I will call him out for it. I know he is only young but that doesn’t excuse making the same costly mistakes. If he’s too young to learn from his mistakes then he is too young to be in the team. If he’s old enough to play then he’s old enough to take the flack that comes with royally fucking up our season.
Scott – your obviously overly frustrated..
Life goes on.. dont do anything stupid please
@Brooka
Carrick awesome for two years? Either you haven’t a clue, or you was bloody pissed in the past two years and have mistaken him for someone else.
The bloke was made to look better around top players. But now our team is in a slow decline he’s getting showing up for the average twat that he is.
Corea..exactly! Football fills the void many of us struggle to fill..that’s why it hurts! But then again would we have it any other way? Only a large minority of us Reds in the world will give a shit about tonight by the time the alarm goes off in the morning.
@Jam or lady Marmalde why are you on this site yer not a United supporter explain your point with imagination and Edge ohhh no yer a Zero.
The difference is we stick together, you dont cut the moderator. HE probably knows more about Manchester United than you do about Your Club Chester
denton davey
spot on.. rafaels talent is there for all to see.. and the stupid foul aside, he was really as close as you get to a right back evra in first half and he is what? 19 years old..
and nani.. I havent seen such a performance since the very best games of CR7
Scott the Red – WOW I thought I was on my own, seeing how inefective rooney was second half, how retarded rafeal was what was he thinking, carrick once again was poor. I AM SO PROUD THAT ALL THESE PROBLEMS UNITED CAN STILL WIN THIS LEAGUE, THIS TEAM WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS ARE DOING MIRACLES. this must be the first united tem that has overcome this amount of problems, if united win the league IT WILL BE A houdini ACT because we should not eb in this position in THE LEAGUE
I haven‘t felt like this since the Djemba Djemba era. I’m absolutely gutted. Worst case scenario in three consecutive matches that puts the season in new perspective.
Totally agree with you Scott regarding the “bad” issues here. Rooney shouldn’t have started in second half, Rafael made probably his worst mistake so far, and Carrick was a disgrace. He has been terrible in last few games, he hasn´t got what it takes. And the decision to bring in a defensive player for an attacking one in 3-1, I will never understand. There was a vacuum up front in our lineup, that gave Bayern all the time in the world to slowly build up their attacks. We just didn’t threat at all. Tactical mistakes if you ask me.
However. The season is not over. We only have to concentrate on the league now, and there is no way that Chelsea will get six points from away games against the Spurs and the dippers.
Shape up. The war is still on.
dont like saying this but we were a shambles in the 2nd half and look out on our feet for the season.i have been a carrick fan all along but he cost us the game tonight,he was pathetic for the first goal and got caught in possession in the lead up to the corner for the 2nd.really dont know where we are going!
I usually don’t disagree with you Scott, but there was no way in hell that Rafael should have gotten that red card. The first yellow yes, but the second was diabolical. He put his arm on the shoulder and Ribery made the most of it. All game Ribery was moaning and complaining over every little touch and he and his teammates surrounded the referee and the ref simply bottled it. Never a red card but he felt the pressure and lost the plot. After that Bayern were good enough to just keep it from us and the goal came eventually
@gary to me u have shit for brains. yes Carrick has been poor recently but to say
“Michael Carrick makes my blood boil. Everytime I see his name on the team sheet it sends a shudder down my spine. It’s like reocurring nightmare in which your dad walks in on you whilst having a wank only ten times worse.
It’s like having a donkey on your team. How has he got away with being a professional footballer for so long? The bloke can’t even run!”
Have u actually watched united in the 4 yrs he has been at the club because before the last couple of months he’s been an outstanding player for the club so before u start coming out with statements that make u look an absolute cock, sit back and think about his contribution to the club!
guys lets not be too negative here. but i swear if fergie doesn’t get rid of Berbatov i will pull out my hair! that’s how frustrated i am with him. please, please stop bringing him up and defending him guys. just watch him play and u’ll see what i mean. his positioning, his strength, his goal rate, his running, his pace. its all truly dreadful! i really cannot understand what u guys see in him!!! £31m for a few back flicks?!! u must be fuckin kiddin me!
Gary I saw the guy live every game for two years…and I totally agree that Ronaldo especially gave him the ‘outball.’ But how average have Nani, Park, Berbatov, Brown, O’Shea been these past two years and were made to look better by Ronaldo’s exploits? Carrick isn’t a personality so will naturally be the one in the firing line. If the manager deems him surplus to requirements then so be it. But Fergie must’ve been pissed for those two years while you were winning titles on Champ Manager hey?
scott if you read my post in the other http://therepublikofmancunia.com/ahead-of-crucial-battle-against-bayern-munich/
then we both touched on the fact that CARRICK has IMO become a liability to United. He really has
gone backwards. I was surprised by Gibson’s inclusion, but i feel he warrants first team action and
will get better and better. WHY? Because he’s hungry and like Fletcher wants to learn and become
a top top player. He has that desire and hunger that Carrick hasn’t got. It’s Carricks job to intercept, read the game and danger, and do something about it. Yet still he got easily shoved off by Olic for Bayern’s first goal, then as you rightfully say, lost possession countless times in midfield. never cut out danger man robben, which ultimately cost us. Rafael, is 18/19 he has a future. Remember when
Beckham showed petulance at the world cup in 1998 and got sent off? then england lost on pens to argentina? the whole medial slaughtered him, and i’ sure some of the England players were in that camp too.
but he came back to SAF, the United family who supported him, he then humbled himself, and worked bloody hard on his game, to become one of the best players in the world. helping United win the treble and countless trophies.
i think SAF and the coaching staff will put the protective arm around him, and fans need to support him when he does play next. because we have another world class player i him. also, he does and will learn from this and you’ll see that maturity/development in his mental side of the game very quickly. look at Rooney, and how he’s developed!!!!
also for me Nani was the clear Man-of-the-Match. the light has finally come on and you’ll see his game go from strength to strength. we done lad.
when Anderson and Hargreaves come back with the addition of Tom Cleverely and a few new boys. this team will show a steely determination to get back to the top and stay there.
Carrick has been a great player for us, but he’s came to a full stop now in his career with United. Yes , Rafa was stupid for fouling that Scarfaced cunt, but 2 fouls and two Yellows mean you’re off, fucking disgraceful. Gibbo and Nani played out of their skin tonight, even though they’ve been written off by fans. All in all, i’m proud of the lads for giving everything tonight, they really couldn’t have done much more, keep the Red flag flying high.
rafael took so long getn off the pitch as he had to find what pocket he left ribery in and fish the ugly cunt out before he could leave. awful second yellow decision – shlda have been a ‘calm down son…final warning’. but the ref was weak, and woeful.
Feel Sick
Rafael always picks up stupid yellows and was an easy target to get sent off which is blatantly what the Bayern players were set out to do. On Spanish tv the commentators said that in the second half Ribbery would get Rafael sent off and if he couldnt do it they would switch wingers and Robben would do it. They were so right.
I don’t condone gamesmanship or cheating but sometimes I just wish our players would actually make a bit more of it when blatantly hacked!!! Bayern were kicking lumps out of us and the ref did nothing.
Rooney was kicked by two diff players on the ankle. and just soldiered on!!! He should have been replaced as soon as he started limping.
Van Bommel escaped a second yellow and sending off in the first half!!
Valencia was taken out by that Bayern left back in the second half and I think it should have been a straight red.
Giving away that goal when we were 3-0 up just before half time was sickening and so soft!!
How many times have we been beaten on away goals now in the champs league!!! Grrrrrrr
redscot –
i am a united fan but i just hate when fans try and scapegoat our players constantly.. those fans are mostly responsible for nani not reachin his potential sooner.. oh but now hes playing well lets all sing his praises. I SUPPORT united and all the players regardless. ppl make mistakes.. u live,u learn, and u move on..
LETS GO GRAB THAT FUCKIN TITLE OFF THOSE CHAVS!!.. rafael to score the title winning goal!!
Goodnight.
Keep the red flag flying high!
How many reds have we had in the past couple of seasons?? I’ve lost count but when did we become a dirty/cynical side?? I can’t remember the last time one of our lads tried to break someone’s leg..
willierednut – didnt carrick watch how xavi does it in midfield last night, carrick I have never seen delay does he have 3 or 4 VOICES IN HIS FUCKING HEAD. I bet he did this has a kid where he jerked of to some porn videos but when his mother came in he delayed turning the damn vid off. he is 30 in age but his decisons ARE LIKE SOME 70 YEAR OLD FART
Regarding Rafael. I don’t wanna sound like a broken record but I’ve said this time and time again. He really needs to stop tugging on players who outrun him. That is his one weakness that almost costs him a booking. Every. Fucking. Time.
@Brooka
Answer me this question honestly….have you ever seen Carrick sprint? What kind of a professional football in this day and age can’t run? He’s a burden on our side.
He’s a crab, he only passes side ways for fuck sake. Everyone on this blog can go out there and do what he does. He is truly a pathetic excuse for a professional footballer.
He is constantly getting caught in possession. He wants so much time on the ball. He has the speed of thought of a goat.
willierednut – I MUST HAVE BEEN THE FIST UNITED FAN ON THIS LOG WHO BROUGHT UP THE POINT, THAT RAFEAL MADE TWO FOULS AND HE WAS BOOKED TWICE. AND VAN BOMMEL FOULED RAFEAL AND WAS THE RIBERY FOUL EVEN A YELLOW CARD/ THESE OFFICALS ARE LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE WAGON TO LONG
the way rafeal is going he will match vinnie jones booking record
Nani was brilliant tonight, he was our talismanic man today.
So with the explosive form of Rooney this season, we only managed to get a mickey mouse cup?
I hope the other lads will step up soon, as we still can get the league title. Carrick in my i my opinion has been more of a liability this season. Most of his mistakes lead to goals against us. Just the top of my head are Torres’s goal, and Olic’s goal. WTF man!
SELL CARRICK BUY SOMEONE BETTER!
seriously….
If he can’t step up, the exit door is wide open, just don’t hit yourself on your way out.
The team has just played a blinder but all I see is finger pointing. Come on I’m Gutted but look on the bright side You could be Scouse. Rafeal played Ribery very well so did Neville in the first leg. Nani has just played the best I have ever seen him play in a Utd shirt. As a team preformance goes that was fantastic just a lapse in concentration at the end of the first half and a young boy who played like a man made a mistake.
NEVER DIE!
Gary – I bet when carrick orders his food he will delay has much as 30 minutes, dont let carrick play chess with you he will take an our to make his first move
Jam1991
Oh please you are talking about a guy(scott the red) who has been defending berbatov, defending nani, even foster.. you name it.. so please go visit another blog
I agree with all of Scott’s points, though he is a little harsh on Rafael. His assessment of the Carrick situation is spot on.
welbz19
No one is talking about what carrick has done/achieved in the past.. but for the last 1,5 – 2 years I think he has been totally below par and its not like he is a legend that should finish his career here.. even SAF said this last autumn:
We think he is generally slow to start the season for us.
‘It has been that way since he came to the club.
‘It is normally around October when he starts to get into his stride and we are seeing that again.’
Well this year he has been “slow” all season and it is time we let him go
james21 – we were but the little things have fucked us big time. STILL THIS GAME WAS LIKE DI VINCI CODE I WAS COMPLETLY LOST HOW THIS HAPPENED. I DONT THINK SHERLOCK HOLMES COULD SOLVE THE MYSTERY HOW WE WENT OUT TONIGHT
Even though we had 10 men for most of the second half, it still took a cracking strike from baldy bollox to win it cunts.
You live and you learn.
Utd’s midfield was very weak. Carrick gets destroyed every time he’s up against top European competition.
it hurts fucking lot when i watch olic’s goal. what the heck was wrong with carrick ?
SELL CARRICK BUY VAN DER VART
@Rooney the new king
I can see it now. Even then still Carrick would probably hesitate before moving his first pawn by putting his hand on it then thinking twice before suddenly realising the other player has fucked off home or died of old age.
That useless twat is so slow he’d come third in a two man race.
Also, how costly was Bayern’s second goal in the first leg, in added on time.
sprite
i wasnt defending carrick on his performance tonight! but if u read Gary’s comments supposedly he has never been a good player for us which any real fan knows!
Gary if anybody can do what carrick does tell me why u are sat behind a computer screen talking about football rather than involved! idiotic comments from u tonight
RTNK – when playing chess, Carrick probably dithers for half an hour then meekly asks your permission to make his move.
Heard from a reliable source the reason he didn’t play against Chelsea is that he came to Fergie five minutes before kick-off, trembling, and mumbled “me arse has gone, gaffer.”
I feel as sick as the rest of you but we can’t linger on this defeat. There is still the league to play for this season.
We may have gone out BUT WE WILL NEVER DIE!
Gary – CARRICK is still a good player and had a good first half, 3 hours later he still has not made his first move. you can imagine he is on the phone wanting to order indian food um what drink do you want um um um carrick says can I have a coke no I changed my mind I want a botle of wine, no thats to expensive I will have a sprite no I forgot I am elergic to lemon, the indian says ITS NOT REAL FUCKING LEMON, he asks for chicken curry but he changes his mind because he is elergic to chicken LOL
RTNK
I Share the pain. The silly mistakes will have to stop though so we can win the league.
Looking forward to Blackburn now.
@welbz19
So tell me what abilities does Michael Carrick posses? It’s like he has a ton of bricks on his back? He can’t run for fuck sake! Even you can’t deny that.
Welbz19
alright.. but I still think you were a little too kind when you said : “before the last couple of months he’s been an outstanding player for the club “
Fred – LOL I bet on saterday he is about to get in the lineup fergie says dont you know micheal you are not in the starting 11, carrick says I thought you called out my name fergie says I told you yesterday you would not start, carrick says I must have missed that because I am sure you said I would start. fergie says man you are slow.
I bet he is playing with rooney in fifa he is about to pass but he delays rooney beats carrick 11 0 on fifa. if it was pro evo the score would have been 20 0 to rooney. rooney says to carrick man dont you make up your mind it took us an hour for you to order our indian because you delayed what you want
Brilliant strike from Robben to be fair, the twunt had been completely useless up until that point. Damn shame is apart from that they didn’t really trouble our goal, even with the man advantage.
Imagine if Carrick had steamed in and leathered that ball into the goal instead of sidefooting it over the bar at 3-1. Better yet, imagine if Rafael hadn’t committed those stupid fouls. Or even if Rooney had buried that chance to make it 2-0 in Munich.
I hope Barca win it, could you imagine if Inter, or Bayern won the champions league.
Larry White’s Bordeaux went out too, coincidence ? hahaha. Larry White for assistant pos next season.
I hope Barca destroy Inter and Lyon do what we couldn’t do to Bayern.
Actually, it would be worth having Bayern in the final just to see them get mauled to shreds by Barca – but knowing these jammy cunts, they’d probably fluke a win in Madrid.
willierednut – I am supporting barca for the remainder of the season. I want them to get past inter and I hope they cream bayern because they are a complete joke tonight, how they got through not even sherlock holmes will answer
United can beat any team in the world, but this season all too often we have had to beat teams of 12 and sometimes 14 – yes corrupt refs and linos have cost us every important match we have lost. The FA and UEFA don’t want Utd to win, thats the long and short of it.
Gary – The most frustrating thing is, he has keano’s old shirt number. Gibbo put him to shame and some fans were worried about his inclusion.
Rafael was brilliant before the sending off. He has shown he has the quality. He has done well against players like Ronaldinho and Ribery in the CL and only 20 years of age. His biggest flaw is in his head, those dumb unnecessary decisions that get him booked.
We made Bayern look like Portsmouth in the first half. It looked like we had more players on the pitch. The sending off was soft but Rafael did get himself a stupid yellow card early on and when you have a yellow on your back you don’t go and pull a player’s shirt when he’s on the counter attack. If the ref was going to lay down his line with that call I think Bommel should been off as well in the game.
But all in all, poor result. We are so much better than this Bayern side and we showed that tonight when we were 11 vs 11. I do worry about Carrick’s performances. I also worry about our experienced players, Giggs, Neville and Scholes.
I think this is Barca’s cup to lose right now.
oh yes I so want BARCA TO RAPE THE FASCEST, there should not even be a title race in the glorified scottish league because the fascest are an even BIGGER JOKE. THE FASCEST ARE THE HISTORIC VERSION OF THE WASTELANDS
I just got a text from my mate
“300,000 People around the world will throw away their Man U jersey and replace it with a Barcelona one tonight.”
can you imagine if carrick was in the movie armageddon and he was bruce willis, I bet carrick would knowing how he makes decisions the world would be destroyed
Young Rafeal will learn but there’s no doubt that the second yellow was harsh. Once again a refs decsion has turned out to be more important than any single thing done by the players. Sad day but with the exception of those few mintes between our third and their first … I just couldn’t get myself to believe it was going to be our year.
Gary at the minute not much! but to say he’s a useless twat is not true! his first three seasons his positional play, passing, reading of the game were all excellent and he has poped up with a few important goals for us as well! I do think that it may be time to have a look at bringing in someone else as I do with a good few of the squad, Giggs, Neville, Scholes, Berbatov maybe even Anderson but i do not feel its right to just rubbish his whole contribution to the club as u have! if u were talking only about the last few games maybe even season then fair enough but u wasn’t and that’s why I commented
Tbh, I would completely agree with the anti-Carrick statements. He’s been off the boil for a while now (probably since missing that pen at Burnley) and just doesn’t seem to WANT it as much as a true United player should. Too many times he gives possession away, lingers on the ball, makes the wrong decisions and doesn’t stand up to challenges a fucking umpa lumpa could withstand.
That said, am I the only person who thinks while Rafa’s challenge was uncalled for and that it wasn’t really deserving of a second yellow? The ref could of been a bit more lenient and just gave him a ‘last chance’. 9 Bayern players rounding the ref and calling for his sending off didn’t really help his cause. As for the actual challenge, rush of blood to the head I suppose, lack of experience. Same for his first yellow, but he was clearly fowled and I’d probably wanna hack the cunt that had just tripped me down in a prime position too.
As for the nail in the coffin (Twatty fucking Robben’s goal), who the fuck was picking him up?? I’m always amazed when we play that ball out to Scholes from the corner and no fucker from the opposition closes him down or marks him and he twats it. That’s what he does and that’s exactly what Robben did. Arguably their best player and no one is on the cunt. In fact, I think it was Carrick who ‘tried’ to close him down, but I think the majority are in agreement that he’s just not cutting it (basically, the less said, the better.
Fucking gutted, especially after such a bright start. There’s always next year, but that comes as little consolation right about now.
Californian devil … so that will only leave 332,700,000 United fans around the world!
I STILL CANNOT GET THROUGH MY THICK SKULL HOW UNITED ARE OUT, LIKE I WILL KEEP SAYING WE WERE 3 FUCKING 0 UP
@RTNK
The biggest irony for the Fascists is that all three teams that came in contact with them moved on to the semis (Lyon – Benzema, Inter – Sneijder, Bayern – Robben) while they still can’t get out of the first knockout round for the sixth consecutive year…
Hello All,
While on my journey back home I heard quite a few United fans on Talk Shite. The radio presenters were not helping by stirring up United fans or by wallowing in the satisfaction of a United defeat. Contrary to some of the crap being spouted by Talk Shite and I am sad to say some United fans this is not the end for United or SAF. Rather than join in with the mass hysteria of a United exit out of the Champions League by a media obssesed with United in my opinion their were a few things that went right and a few things that went wrong.
SAF playing that starting XI including Rooney was a masterstroke and after 41 mins being 3-0 up I think Rooney should have been taken off. He already had a few near misses with the Bayern players going for his right leg, knee, ankle. Rooney on for Macheda would have been a good move. The fact SAF kept him on for so long would indicate to me he has little faith in Berbatov…?
Carrick with some sloppy play allowed Bayern to get a goal back before half time.
There was a little naivity and inexperience from Rafael. He is only a young lad and he looks like he will be a brilliant player but that was petulance for the first yellow card and did he really need to make that tackle to bring Ribery down? Perhaps not. We can’t blame it on the Germans, etc, because he should not have got himself in to that situation in the first place.
The 2nd half SAF got it tactically wrong. I may come under some criticism here but I have always felt he is lacking at the very top level which is where Carlos Quieroz came in to play. When Rafael was sent off we should have gone in to a 4-4-1 formation but instead we took Rooney off and put O’Shea on leaving us with a kind of 4-5-0 formation. United say far too deep and invited the pressure on. I would have expected United to continue playing as they did the first half passing the ball around and making chances but they just sat back and conceded a goal from Robben which was a combination of sloppy defending and a good strike on goal.
Berbatov came on the pitch and I am sorry but he does not fit in to 4-5-1 or 4-3-3. I know this is a highly contencious issue but he is useless leading the line. And if he is not utilised in his natural position then what is the use of him being at United?
Anyhow so what is the problem and what are we missing?
I don’t buy that SAF is doning a Maggie Thatcher stayign in power too long and how it is over for United, blah, blah, bloody blah. Time and time again SAF has built, and rebuilt, team after team and now is no different. We can not be succesful every season. Every team goes through peaks and troughs. We seem to be going through a trough at the moment as evidence would suggest. Champions League Winners 2008, Champions League Runners Up 2009, Champions League Quarter Finalists 2010. I don’t believe we need to make wholesale changes.
We require a few things at United now. We need a creative midfielder. Today we needed to hold the ball in midfield when the pressure was on and it didn’t seem to happen.
The wingers in the front 3 being able to shoot and score taking the pressure off Rooney. I remember when Tevez, Rooney, Ronnie all used to interchange at the front confusing the fcuk out of the opposition. They could all shoot and score and create goals for one another. Barcelona fill in well if anyone out of their front 3 is missing. United should be able to do so too.
SAF needs to get a proper Number 2 who is tactically sound like Carlos Quieroz.
What made this a bitter pill to swallow was that we went 3-0 up and the tie should have been done and dusted. I never actually thought we would be in that position. I was amazed at the scoreline. I was in dreamland. But I am proud of the players for that first half performance. That coupled with the recent success in the Champions League made it all the more dissappointing.
The world isn’t over and it isn’t as bad at United as the media would like to make out. We lost 4 goals to Bayern over 2 legs. 1 from a deflection. 2 from sloppy defending. 1 from a combination of sloppy defending and a good strike on goal. We were unlucky. I couldn’t care less what the ABU Media say there isn’t much wrong at United. If United played like that in the first half all the time we would give Barcelona a run for their money I tell yah.
WE’LL NEVER DIE.
Fred @ 0:02: “Brilliant strike from Robben to be fair, the twunt had been completely useless up until that point.”
Yep; his goal was fantastic BUT he was a constant danger since our defenders too often let him move the ball back onto his left side rather than herding him and forcing him to use his right foot – and he clearly can’t or won’t do that. I thought that Robben was dangerous all the time – he’s the one player for Bayern who has “that extra bit of class” that separates a good player from a great player. Unfortunately, he showed that class for one brief moment and that was enough to turn a possible defeat into a victory for his team. It’s bitter ash to have to taste but it’s still better than those two horrible goals that Olic was able to score.
Olic’s contributions were absolutely pivotal – and their timing was crucial for his team. Such is life. Bayern didn’t come to play like patsies; they stuck to their game plan and, somehow, it worked for them = a deflected free kick, a pure fluke at the very dying moments of the game in Munich, a piece of individual strength/determination at the end of the first half tonight, and then the capper, Robben’sRocket. Shit really happens !
Last minute defeat in Munich, Rooneys injury, Chelsea cheating and stealing our spot in the table, getting knocked out of the CL. Worst. Week. Ever.
People need to shut the fuck up about Gibson, to be honest. The number of people who say he can shoot and do nothing else is staggering. Do you watch the game? How many balls did he win in midfield? How many times did he give the ball away? How many times did he burst into the box to supplement the attack, get out wide to draw players and provide support for Valencia?
Our best player tonight along with Nani
welbz19 – He has been a great player for United mate, but every player has a life span and for me Carricks times up. If Barca are the team we’re looking to over – take in Europe, we have to have a midfield that can match Barca’s midfield.
@ jam 1991, sorry that was a bit below the belt calling you a none United fan just I am through and through, I am a lot pist mate so sorry if this post beomes insane.
I thought our lads served us up a delight of CL football was in almost orgasmic state till Olic goal he stole our entry to SEMI I just dont set oooot on a mission to blame players as individuals you win or loose together. first half I saw witnessed a new Star and I mean that was chuffed as fuck for the boy.
( I am 18) I just thought good on you my heart just about went through my mouth at his second, went in. Acknowlege Darron, goal was a cracker but for me outstand Wingers in Nani and Antonio run the show menacing there defence, with our the potent talisman to watch, we had them in our pocket.
I felt the refereee Italian I believe, let to many tackles and niggly incidents go unpunished apart from ours. We had a lot of acting out there mate, not on our side i would quickly add.
At the start of the Second half like most lads I was as high as a kite apart from the Goal for the disease, but i just felt we are going to Madrid.
Youth is a bitch and you have to train it, I think this boy is gonna be the best right back in WORLD.
Although Rubbery seriously got him sent off and all the poncing Dames that are Munchen. The rest is history, but any player coming on or off canna take the can for tonight. And that Includes Dimatar ffs he was on for 17 meenits.
We would have won that game full stop with any eleven against of ours facing that Munich team, its just the way it pans out. Just A step too far. But all great in growth for our players.
Hope you get Too Ewood park ( shit ole) all can be recified as in for our MAIN campaign.
Believe lets do this On ON ON
One word – gutted truly am. Good to see stewards throw the bayern fans out the home end when the second goal went it for them. The fans were supposed to be the 12th man, alas due to the sending off we tried to be number 11 but it wasn’t enough. 11 vs 11 bayern would be out and I’ll be celebrating, referee was shocking but so was Carrick. This is his first bad season in a red shirt lets hope its last (bad season not last season in a red shirt)
willierednut – we have never had a great midfield and look at the trophys we have won since 2006
To be fair, until baldy bollox scored i didn’t know he was on the pitch.
The thing about Rafael is he’s one of he most exceptional tacklers i’ve ever seen, certainly for one so young. And yet he picks up so many cards from stupid shit like shirt pulling and shoving.
and who wouldnt want the midfield barca have, and the amazing thing with barca midfield how much did it cost they alla came through their youth system
Alpha – Heard that mate, calling for saf to go, there not proper United fans, plastic cunts.
Too much of a gulf in our play between having 11 and 10 on the pitch. Once we lost Rafael possesion of the ball became so much more important and we just sat back and left Nani toiling up front. Just play short passes and keep the thing for Chrissake!! Also, Fergies been leading up to this strikerless formation for sometime now and tonight was its premiere.
I know we’re not barca but them losing a man in our position wouldn’t have made a shred of difference. Pass, pass, pass.
willierednut – WHAT ARE YOU SERIOUS WHO ARE CUNTS CALLIG FOR FERGIE TO GO
yes I’m not as great as fergson but I think when u score 3 goals agnist any club u should defend, I mean all the players should go back when the ball with bayren players.
the first half we could score more than 4 goals. we lost a player, we were 10 players. I didn’t see what rafa did for that, did he deserve the second yellow card or not.
On the upside, Bayern have saved us another arse-kicking from Barca in the final.
Seriously though, fair play to Gibson. I’ve never been a fan of him but he proved me wrong tonight. Great showing from the youngster.
@willierednut agree with u on that one mate! the carrick one!
RTNK – So called United fans on talkshit saying saf should go.
Right then
Raph clean through – could have passed to Rooney – chance
Nani clean through – should have scored
Nani’s dipping shot
Gibson’s side foot – should have blasted it
Carrick with the goal to his mercy
At least five brilliant chances – and yet their first goal and Raph’s sending off – no way was that a sending off – changed the game – oh yes if only someone was standing on the line – maybe that couldn’t happen because of the one man day – Raph’s position – bloody karma – fucking bollocks
No luck for a whole week – their last minute goal/Wayne gets injured – Chelsea beat us to death apparently but won on an illegal offside goal – And today the sending off – no sending off at all – even the first yellow card was harsh – Raph should have had a free kick because he was taken down
Still am proud – the shirt is a symbol of defiance – we defy those that do not believe
BTW that Ivica Olic, another talentless annoying bastard nuisance striker like Tevez and Kuyt.
I had that weasel in my Euro 2008 Dream Team – he was fucking useless and got me zero points. Typical that the little prick would score against us though.
willierednut – the only thing apart from tonight that frys my brain is fans calling for fergies head. THESE IDIOTS SHOULD GET A LIFE WE HAVE WON 3 TITLES IN A ROW GOT TO 2 CL FINALS WON ONE OF THEM, WON 2 CARLING CUPS AND A PHEW COMMUNITY SHIELDS ALL IN A SPACE OF 2006 SUCK ON THAT SPOILT TWATS
AlphaRS – how can you say Fergie lacks tactical nouse at the top level? He won trophies before Carlos Queiroz and after Carlos Queiroz. I thnk he was trying a 4 4 1 formation with Nani up front, but yeh he should have brought on Berba or Macheda sooner. Rooney shouldn’t have started the 2nd half.
I was looking forward to seeing Ribery sent off, cos Rafael was really getting to him. Lashing out with elbows, scowling, trying to get the fuck away from his shadow by coming inside. First Ronaldinho and now Ribery outplayed.
Scott, you’re right – he owes us one for sure and he’s got lots to learn. His education is proving costly but I think of it like this; he’s got less to learn than most players his age who haven’t had as much 1st team experience as him. I really rate de laet (for example) but I’m sure he’ll have bad habits that need ironing out when he gets as many opportunities for 1st team action as young Rafa.
I’d much rather have Rafael, Neville, Brown and Oshea than pay umpteen million for Ribery.
the last 10 days for united has been like I was tied 2 a chair and forced to watch twilight and read the books it is soul destroying I would not know what is worse
Rafa’s just a kid, whats Carrick excuse.
It’s easy to focus on the negatives, really easy, but let’s be realistic here. We took on Bayern Munich, in a high stakes game, for half the game with ten men, and won 3-2. And the performance was a good one in every respect, Bayern played really well, as well as really hard and dirty to boot, and we had them. We lost the tie overall because of the shitter we had in Munich. I think the boys did okay tonight and, barring Rafael, I think nothing more could have been asked of any of them. And Rafael was having an absolutely great game til he was sent off. Frankly he was better in one half than Neville was against Chelsea in two. He just needs to learn from his mistake.
If United played like this every week I’d be a happy man.
As for singling out Carrick, no. We beat Bayern Munich, we beat them with ten men, we played them off the park with eleven, every single one of those lads was a credit to the shirt tonight (except Rafael for like a moment of sheer madness, but only for that moment). Don’t turn this into a witch hunt. We didn’t go through because we were crap in Germany. That’s why.
fuck all you fucking fergie bashers. where the fuck would we be without him??? everyone said we’d be shit without ronaldo and tevez. that valencia was a joke, that we’d be knocked out of the CL in the group stages and be waaay behind in the title race. WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK GOT US THIS FAR???? i’m fuckin’ gutted, but united played some great fucking football. fergie put his faith in the youngsters, and gibson and nani were fucking amazing. rafael had been playing well till his fucking sending off. as soon as he got the yellow, i swear i saw it coming. i’m still proud of our team. they’re still in transition, on top of that have had to deal with horrible fucking injuries. it happens, we can’t win everything.
sorry, don’t know if anyone actually bashed fergie or ppl from the team on here, but as soon as i logged on to bloody facebook that’s all i saw. comments about fergie’s ineptitude????? i’m gutted…fucking gutted, but still proud of what this team achieved.
and all of you know very well, that had we not lost our lead in the league, none of you would be as depressed about us getting knocked out of the champions league. can’t believe one little fucking offside goal could be the reason we didn’t win the league….
jellybean – WE WERE FUCKING AWESOME AND SHERLOCK HOLMES COULD NOT SOLVE THIS MYSTERY HOW BAYERN GOT THROUGH
@RTNK
Probably this, I have no affection for vampires and could easily fall asleep tied to that chair…..
Gutted and sick to fucking death of hearing about Barca on a UNITED site.
Nani is becoming some player.
Ribery is a nasty horrible little cunt.
Time to move on. Its the manner of the defeat that is hard to take. We should NEVER have gone out at 3-0 up. The Olic goal gave them the belief. Really am gutted.
Harsh argument on rafael, he is doing his best in keeping ribery but luck wasn’t on his side.a 19 years old doing his best against a world class player that been tracked by the biggest clubs in the world. how much is rafael compare to 40m++ player? maybe 8 times if rafael is 5m value. neville should give himself a slap in the face for he is the one whose giving away a freekick for ribery goal on the first leg. we should encourage young players not to blame them. if we keep & develop the young players in the 5 or 10 years they will be a world class player where the other clubs will get old n rot in the future just like carrick is rotting away
@shebangsthedrums
When I say at the very top level I mean in European football. Clearly the tactics were wrong in the Champions League Final 2009. My main point was that today we were 3-1 up and SAF decided to try and hold on to that score for 30 mins. Why go defensive? Why not continue playing the way we were in the first half? In the second half we invited pressure on and when the goal came because we had nobody upfront we couldn’t do anythign about it. He also took Rooney off for O’Shea. Why not Macheda? I remember that Carlos Quieroz had to stop SAF from putting O’Shea on in the Champions League Final 2008 as we were nearing the end of extra time. Anderson was put on instead. I think we have had better results against the top 4 with Carlos Quieroz as number 2 than without him. I don’t have the stats to back that up though.
Great comments Doghouse. That’s exactly how I feel. I’m not going to let the pain of us getting knocked out after being 3-0 up tonight turn me against any of our players or Fergie.
Just wish I could get myself to believe that we can get consoluation by winning our 19th title. Maybe tomorrow!
Yeah, Edward Cullen is a twat, fucking lost boys far better.
@King Eric
Nani was the best United player today by a country mile.
Where are all the Obertan lovers gone?!
You have to admit at the moment Barcelona are the benchmark.
King Eric – CAN YOU EXPLAIN HOW IN THE FUCK UNITED WENT OUT, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPLANATION WHAT EVENTS WENT ON TONIGHT BECAUSE I CANNOT GET INTO MY THICK ORTISTIC SKULL WHAT WENT ON TONIGHT
Well said Doghouse.
It has ABSOLUTELY NOWT to do with Queiroz. When are people gonna stop bringing this up after a bad result? How the hell did Fergie win all he did with Aberdeen and United having only had Carlos for 3 or 4 years out of almost 40? It is a myth that we need him.
King Eric …. share your view re Ribery. Won’t want to see either him or Robben in a United shirt.
Just gutted right now.
WE WERE 3 FUCKING 0 UP IT DOES NOT ADD UP DESPITE OUR PROBLEMS HOW WE WERE KNOCKED OUT BY THIS AVERAGE LOT, DID LITERLY THE HAND OF GOD GET HIS BOOTS ON AND LITERLY GET BAYERN OVER THE FINISHING LINE
@willierednut
I know mate. It’s just a reaction to the dissappointment. There isn’t much wrong at United. We are very close. We were just unlucky today. The media are loving it. But let them.
I really hate Ribery’s fucking mangled face.
AlphaRS – Hello mate. Yeah of course they are a great team but I really don’t want them ramming down my throat. People saying they are gonna “support “them now in the remainder of the competition. I have NO interest at all now in it.
did anyone hear alan green say united should have got ribery and rpbben IF IT WAS NOT FOR THE GLAZERS, did HE SEE NANI AND VALENCIA RIP BAYERN TO SHREDS VALENCIA WAS SO POWERFUL TONIGHT HE HAD BAYERN PLAYERS ON HIS ASS TONIGHT
STILL I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND HOW THJE FUCK WE WENT OUT TONIGHT THIS WILL REMAIN IN THE CASE OF UNSOLVED MYSTERYS
just home and hard to take…..i havnt shed a tear since the bayer game, and i didnt tonight, but my god i was close to, even more than rome….2 weeks ago we looked great, now we look like twats, but AS always ill love this club no matter fucking comes and goes our way……one love
I’ve said it before on this site, Micahael Carrick is and has never been good enough to play for Manchester United. I was slated for saying that but it’s time everyone realised this. He has conned everyone for three years now. I would ask anybody who disagrees with me to name one game that he left his mark on with an outstanding performance since signing for us?
Yeah, Nani was flipping brillant, but i don’t think putting him up front was a good move.
Edwins right glove – WE need a elephant man type mob with pitch folks and burning sticks to GO AFTER RIBERY, why dont he wear a mask he is possibly the uggliest player ever, frank ribery makes carlos tevez has hansome has brad pitt and thats a FEET IN ITSELF EVEN MORE THAN THE PICK POCKET OF TONIGHT
guys
third attempt a a whinge (system keeps crashing)
major surgery is required- 5 or 8 players required (for various reasons
keeper (vds getting on)
RB (n natural replacement for neville – dont even mention rafael) – a suppossed defender who can tackle & not talikng about tonight
defensive / holding midfielder (yet again let downby carrick – albe t not in his strongest position)
attacking midfielder – we have nothing
strikers – we need 2 players who can either play with rooney or replace him ((if required)
@King Eric
True I am not supporting Barcelona or any other team. If anythign I don’t want them to win it. I would rather Bayern Munich won it so we can at least say we lost to the Champions.
About Queiroz you have to admit that it was a strange decision to go defensive the 2nd half AND take Rooney off for O’Shea. That was a kind of 4-5-0 formation. Didn’t work as we had no outlet on the counter attack. Nani and Valencia tore Bayern to shreds today. We were just unlucky today.
Here’s a tricky one – Who are the luckiest team of the month, Chelsea or Bayern?
@irwinisalegend
But United have won the league ever since Carrick was signed from Tottenham.
He was the only real tranfer we made before we won the league in 2007.
rooney the new king – someone said on another thread, that our luck ran out. What luck? we’ve had none all season. Aswell as all the other attributes eg skill, fight, tatics etc you need the rub of the green sometimes to win matches, we’ve had none, Bayern Munich have had more than their fair share, they wouldn’t even have got through to the quarters had it not been for a huge slice of luck, hope it runs out for them before the final.
@ King Eric- Fuck this competition, fuck england as well. 5 league games left lets go out with a bang. We lost because of sloppy defending or switching off and a bit of petulance from Rafael and a referee who didn’t want to give us anything all night. Bayern took out Rooney it was clear as day and were nasty diving cunts and the ref let them get away with it. What does anyone expect from an Italian ref. Hope ur happy Platini you fucking fat cunt or should I say fat shitbag.
@ rtnk- how did bayern go through? ironically enough, i believe it was an offside fucking goal that put them in the quarters in the first place. 2ndly- Utd got fucking complacent again and started thinking about the game in the league instead of going for the kill against bayern in the first leg. i mean FOR FUCK’S SAKE. bayern are a good team not to be underestimated. they have the ability to keep the ball, they have pace, they have strength. of course they may be rough cunts, but United can bully with the best of them. but instead they compromised their own style and conceded 2 goals. 3rdly….i’m flummoxed by the 2nd leg really. their first goal was ridiculous on carrick’s part. i want rafael to learn and grow from this, but this is the 3rd time this season that he has done this. he’s going to be a brilliant little right back one day, but come on, he needs to learn to be careful, esp when he’s already on a yellow for doing something stupid in the first place.
i just hope barca don’t fucking win the CL back to back.
@RTNK –
Yup, kinda reminds me of the hunchback of Notre dam. Infact He’s french, so I’d go as far as saying he probably is, the cathedral dwelling mong. Would not want a cunt of that proportion playing in a United shirt. And as for that 25 year old granddad… don’t get me started….
Jesus, I’m trying to find some solace from somewhere…
It’s hard though….
NRD – We’re supposed to take it on the chin, because United get all the decisions don’t they?
@ irwinisalegend – about Carrick – hes been poor as for games where he hasn’t
Roma 7-1
City away last year
Wigan away last year
Champions League Final 2008
West Ham OT 08 4-1
City @ Home in Carling Cup – 10
Blackburn at home 07 4-1
they are the ones that spring to mind
@xol
Bayern because United were all over them.
Against Chelsea we were just shite.
It is NOT I repeat NOT the lack of quieroz we are where we are, we do need strengthening in summer but 2 players max and both in midfield. Good night lads and lasses.
Edwins right – he is a mix of the hunch back and has deformed has the hills have eyes, I uploaded two pics of ribery and tevez and it made tevez more handsome all the damn time when I compared the both.
shebangsthedrums – we have had no luck all season long tonight was a frustration of all the things that has went on piled up in 1 game tonight.
BUT PPL FORGET RAFEAL MADE 2 FOULS AND HE HAD 2 BOOKINGS AND WAS EITHER EVEN A BOOKING NOT A CHANCE IN HELL
DOES ANYONE ELSE AGREE THE LAST 10 DAYS HAVE BEEN SOUL DESTROYING
why the fuck are people saying they dont want barca to win it back to back??? have a bit of footballing knowledge and understand that they are a great side, with one majestic player, and for anyone that wouldnt want barca now to go on and win it is just a bitter person..
everyone’s harping on about quieroz as always. like he’s the magical solution to all our problems. what do you guys think fergie should’ve done once rafael got sent off? i knew he’d bring on o’shea. there’s no way we could’ve played without an RB against bayern, and putting fletch in the RB spot would have weakened out midfield. plus rooney was limping….so who would you bring on??
C’mon, you can’t completely blame it on Rafael, yes he was sent off, but before that he was bloody brilliant, Ribery looked like a schoolboy compared to this teenager. Experience is a huge hole in his game, but that will come, at this current moment, he is a rightback with huge potential, i hope the idea of being the one who sends your team out will help him grow more matured. And besides, the yellow cards were light as hell, first one, he got fouled first!, and the second one, he pulled away, but for that cunt Ribery to give ref yellow card gesture and the Nazi fuckers crowding the poor little ref. This defeat is horrible, I couldn’t fucking sleep, but the fact we went out with dignity, we showed class, and the team that progressed did not deserve it gives me a bit of encouragement to pass another bad day. Simple as that. I hope this will spur United on to win the remaining Premier League fixtures. Up United. We win together, we lose together! Let’s not blame anyone in particular, Scott.
time to stop thinking and drown my sorrows playing call of duty modern warfare 2.
i hope fergie pulled nani and valencia aside and told them what a great performance they put out there today.
I wonder who starts against blackburn now.
I had a tip off someone, carrick wanted woolworths store closed so he could choose what he wanted, carrick waited so long woolworths went bankrupt see its not only united who have suffered during to carricks delayed decision making
Just got home from OT, can’t be bothered to read all the comments so I realise I might be repeating what others have said (I hope I am):
Rafael was absolutely terrific before the sending off. Give him a break.
Ulster Red – I just don’t care who wins it now. Barcelona would no doubt be the most deserving team though.
rooney the new king – Dissappointing yes, not soul destroying for me. I think we’ve achieved more than anyone thought was possible at the beginning of the season. Even with Ronny and Tevez, i still think this season would have panned out very similar to what it has done. We’ve had no luck with injuries, Ronny and Tevez wouldn’t have helped when we had only 1 fit defender available. The amount of decisions that have gone against us this year has been ridiculous. You can’t win everything every year or it wouldn’t be worth winning.
RNNK … soul destroying’s right. 4-0 against Bolton, Rooney and others rested, Berba finding the net. We’re 1 up after two mins against Bayern then with 15 secs left …….. Hope it can end with 5 wins and that the chavs choke but I’m finding so hard to see it turning or way again this season.
congrats to lyon and is it only me or is it sounding like the special’s one year?
i predict inter v lyon final with inter 3-0.
rooney the new king
what a shit pathetic joke
ulster red- i’m not bitter at all. barca are a brilliant side, i actually watch all their games, so i have no qualms about admitting they’re a great footballing side. they have a brilliant youth academy, and like utd they give chances to their youth products. they may have made a few extravagant dips in the transfer market, but so have we. i like pep as a manager, and noone can deny their brilliance. the only reason i don’t want them to win back to back, is because we couldn’t, and it’s not bitterness. it just hurts that we couldn’t be the team to break the champions league curse….
For me, the important thing now is to fill Rooney full of painkillers and get him on the park for the rest of the season. Then the minute we lift number 19, send him off for an operation or whatever he needs. A nice summer off watching England flatter to deceive again, then he’ll be ready for the assault on number 20! United > England.
Dave Mack – I said the past 10 days meaning the last 3 games have been soul destroying, losing a 1 0 lead. and the nazi’s scoring a last minute winner, rooney gets injured during that crazy minute. we lose to chelsea and we lose our lead at the top of the table, and to top the horrible 10 days not only do we go 3 0 up but we still go out. now for me that is soul destroying especially that we were by far the best side.
jellybean
so basically your saying you would rather have bayern,lyon or inter to win it??….bollocks…i love football, and you just have to take your hat off to barca…
If I have to revisit the game, I don’t think Raphael deserved a red card for that. It warranted a warning nothing more than that. Now the Badstuber foul against Valencia.. only a yellow card? It was the intent that warrants the red card but oh well. Let’s move on
April 8, 2010 at 1:31
rooney the new king
i second that
jellybean – I agree they do their buisness just like united now all we need is for united to be owned like barca and we can call ourselves the english barca, and like the land of catalunia we can be the land of mancunia
A football match lastst for 90 minutes. And therefore we should try to play football for 90 minutes!!
But sadly we stopped playing football after 2-0. In Munich we stopped playing football after being 0-1 up. We should have just kept going – not sit back!! In the Champions League you just can’t sit back! If we would have kept control of the game – and we should have been capable of doing that – we would have gone through. But we didn’t, and therefore Bayern deserved to go through.
oh and listen guys i think its clear for all to see we are just being hit by bad luck :
rooney injury-offside goal-injury again
i mean lets be honest rooney was not moving well and from then on bayern gained belief.
what can you do? its a bit like dortmund when its not your time its not your time.
its like final destination all this we seem to be pursued by bad luck. unbeleivable.
whats worse getting kicked in the balls by a steel boot or the last 10 days, well I hope my quinton tarrentino collection comes tommorow to atleast cheer me half up this RESULT HAS REALLY BEEN EATING ME ALIVE
@ ulster red- i never said i want any of those teams to win it either. i personally have not watched lyon, so don’t really know how they play. i hate inter, they’re just an italian version of chelsea. as for bayern, i really do not think they deserve to win the champions league, as i think Utd proved that they are a better team. out of all the candidates, barca is definitely the most deserving…they thrashed bayern last yr too. but i can’t help the fact that it will hurt to see another team (however deserving) break a record that we were so close to breaking ourselves
Rafael was fooking class before he was sent packing for two definite yellows. Still, for a game like this, he was more than able, just needs to work out how to keep his head straight but needs our support.
Class act and we’ll be singing for him for years to come, hope this event doesn’t affect him too badly.
bloody hell its like united are being hit by karma. its funny in a way but it will hurt when we look back at how we squandered a chance to play a final in the bernabeu.
BUT HEY NEXT YEAR ITS AT WEMBLEY. REMEMBER 1968.
DARE I SAY ANOTHER MAN UTD – BENFICA FINAL
AH FUCK!!!!! hope i stagger past a fucking german car tonight.
Rafael was brilliant tonight – had Ribery in his pocket all night. Was harshly sent off but will be brillinat for us in the future as will his brother Fabio(when he is not fucking injured). 1st half broke away and should have either scored or passed to rooney to score. Tonight he had his best game for us tonight and along with Nani was our best player
Carrick on the other hand was pure shit all night. Defended Olic like a 8 months pregant woman. The chances he had and never got one on target, got caught in posession too often. He has been very poor since Rome last year. I would now class him as a average squad player.
Sir Alex a said there would not be any big buying in the summer – well from where I am sitting right now that sounds just bloody brilliant.
Scholes, Giggs & Nev all legends are fading, will still be bale to contribute but their impact is gonna be limited.
Berbatov – I have been wondering why he isn’t producing and i think it could be he might just care too much and he is so afraid of failing that he doesn’t perform. Again a £30 million squad player. Need a back up for Rooney & Macheda next year.
As for playing in europe when are our player going to learn how to cheat properly. Rooney for fuck sake, should have rolled about the floor screaming when Van Buyten kicked his ankles. got him a yellow
We are going to have to learn to flop to the ground feigning injury, scream roll about whenever we are fouled in europe especially when we are in front. When Rafael was pushed by Ribery he should have flopped to the ground clutching his face pretending to have been hit in the face by Ribery, May still have got the 2nd yellow but Ribery may have got a straight Red 10 each and we would still be in europe
RTNK …. I’m agreeing with you. What I was saying was everything was going so well through the Bolton game and the start we got in Germany ……and then …. soul destroying …. despite winning tonight and playing great for 42 mins ….. seems we just can’t get the result we need to lift my spirits.
Considering he has 5 goals this season in fuck all starts is it time to start giving Gibbo a run with Fletcher?
Looked a good lad tonight.
Fletch was back to his best .
I am gutted & going away for a while……till the Blackburn match!
Dave Mack – oh rite sorry about that misread whart you ment. I am destroyed still cant get over the fact we are out WE WERE 3 0 UP FOR CHRIST SAKE AT OT
AlphaRS – I think he had to bring O’Shea on as Rooney was struggling. Fletch had to drop back to right back at first and this would have left a huge gap in the middle. Like you said nowt to be worried about really. We were superb first half and in Nani and Valencia they are starters EVERY game for me. Gonna become cracking wingers. With Fletch, hopefully Hargo and Ando back but I would start giving Gibson a run. We have a very young team still really and can push on. I have defended Berbatov but you really have to question Fergie’s belief in him now as why would he play a clearly 30 per cent fit Rooney over Berba? Rooney was unable to run or get off the ground for half hour or so.
Notorious – Hello mate. Just watched game as I sky plused it like I said above we have reasons to be cheerful considering. Spot on pal, lets go and get that fucking 4th title. We are well capable. Hate to use the excuse the dippers and Chav’s use but we “can concentrate on title now” and hope the Rentboys slip up.
King Eric – aint it ironic the scousers may be the deciding factor in united overtaking liverpools 18, what were the odds of that happening in 1989/1990
Rooney22United – spot on post at 1.23
just watched rafael’s 2nd yellow again…and i really dont think that merited a booking. when i initially watched it live, i thought it was a rash challenge, but all he did was pull him a little. the bayern players were kicking rooney left and right and not getting booked! plus that fucking cunt ribery shoved rafael as well and should’ve gotten a yellow for that.
Ony cunt fer wan meenit askin for SAF to be geeing the bag needs thier heid looked, The loon as delivered for US mony great no Fuckin majik moments and big Pots get otta here ye shouldna be on a United blog the word is United.. I think yer mair likely oota A nut hoose. He is I tell you he is the bestest club manager in de World.
And yes I can type Gaelic/ French
All i will say just fucking believe this 19th is ours, and pure Scots with passion. and honesty.
or what were the odds of scousers helping united overtake the scousers record at the start of the season since most thought they would win it. you never know we can win this since everyone thinks arsenal can still win it
Anton – ha. Could not agree more. Expect outrage in the media tomorrow. Not just for “daring” to play Wayne but Fergie’s comments about “typical Germans”.
@ redscot- mate, i think you need to share whatever it is you’re having with me
Really hope the dippers lose against Benfica so that they can concentrate on trying to qualify for the CL. If they still have a shot at the moment they play the rentboys, they can beat Chelsea.
King Eric – really I am not ging to check the media outrage so can you fill me in what have they been saying
Some of the comments on here have cheered me right up.
“WE need a elephant man type mob with pitch folks and burning sticks to GO AFTER RIBERY”
“Yup, kinda reminds me of the hunchback of Notre dam. Infact He’s french, so I’d go as far as saying he probably is, the cathedral dwelling mong.”
Seriously though, it’s not looking too good for the league either. Chelsea have three home games against utter shite, so our only hope is for Spurs and/or Liverpool to beat them. Not fucking likely, I’m afraid.
@ jellybean that was me in Scots tongue, Doric and awhh that shite, I almost is at standstill, but breaking my heart about tonite and result, just fuckin awfull i felt for all the lads the support and like you and Lads /Lassies on blogs that i post on, but there is another Day….. is that not true,
Ps i saw lads having a POP get rid of the manager, I am Scots so not a great idea, tend to stick together, and fight our corner.
Ps i already drunk a bottle of water of life, pmsl
Jellybean, I thought the ref went for his card, then had second thoughts because it would be a bit harsh, but had his mind made up by the Bayern players. I’m sure that prick Van Bommel could have got his second yellow as well soon after (or maybe it was minutes before, I can’t remember.)
As for the Dippers going out tomorrow, I felt after watching last week’s game that Benfica would win at Anfield and I stand by that prediction.
Fred – haha cheers. I completly forgot the hunchback was french my soul has been destroyed over the past 10 days when we though it would be a great 10 days. the french guy from shittalk was unfortunetly right about the tie.
ribery will be saying if we go after him with pitch folks and burning sticks I AM NOT A MONSTER. tevez had an unfortunet burnt accident ribery was born to be ugly, put the kids to bed or they will get a experience of ribery fright we even had it
Agree with this post. I thought Rafael was amazing in the first half bar the Beckham-esque kick (which is only a yellow and the ref in 98 was a cunt giving him red) but in fairness to him, I think he was fouled, and he didnt get the whistle.
Another quite crucial thing, Van Bommel was on a yellow and made a cynical foul, which was not met with a yellow card. I sincerely think this ref should never officiate again.
Now, onto what was our fault. Fergie was mad to not sub Rooney as soon as he started to hobble, from that point on he was not doing anyone any favors by being on the pitch. Macheda up front would have been able to hold the line and fight for the headers (Berba is more of a 4 4 2 man).
He could have subbed Rafael or spoken to him, I do agree in the sense that I hope he remembers this and it has a lasting formative effect on him and he stop risking the whole team with such stupidity. But I am a massive fan of his and he is by far the best right back in the team, Ribery is supposed to be some major star, well Rafael had him in his pocket.
Fergie left putting out a striker there forever, as he tends to do with subs. I do not know why. And I do not know why he has not got an assistant who can improve our club. Still, Fergie did spring a surprise by overcoming sentiment and being pragmatic, selecting energy and talent over reputation.
I see someone here mentioned De Rossi, now that is a player I would love for us to sign. Has what our team needs the most, determination and inspiration. Him and Rodwell would do nicely.
Carrick: 80k a week, no effort, no thought, no desire, an absolute passenger and a liability. He needs to go, along with the other two sub keepers, Berba if he wont get games, maybe the oldest players too (to trim the wage bill and avoid sentimental selections – they can be hired as coaching staff like Ole, otherwise it will just stifle the young talent).
Nani tonight deserved a win. So did a lot of our players. VDS has really been brilliant for us and we need to add a keeper, after Fergies outburst against Germans, I doubt it will be the Schalke keeper:) but Lloris and Akinfeev are top top class.
lionel messi was the closest thing to special ribery was the closest thing to horror, christ the guy is more ugly I def think he is related to the hunchback, can anyone imagine if ribery actually had a hunchback he would be the new hunchback and we can stick him in the bell tower in paris
Off topic but how come whenever Sky Sports interviews United fans coming out of Old Trafford, they only ever show Irish daytrippers on SSN? Every single time! Pisstakers. And as for the BBC, they’re a bunch of ABU cunts. The headline tonight: “Bayern DUMP Man Utd out of Europe” Twats. Last season when the Dippers got knocked out by Chelsea (lost at home, drew away) the BBC headline was something like “Brave Liverpool suffer glorious Champions League exit” I kid you not!
I wasn’t impressed with Ribery at all in either leg. Madrid are welcome to the overrated cunt.
Fred – THAT was so typical of the media and they forget the nazi;s dumped us out christ I hate the germans more than ever, its bad enough they get up warly and steel the sun beds they stole that result tonight like how they steel the sun beds at 4 am
I never knew the media supported the nazis which shows how much they hate united
who the fuck cares aboot the dippers, just send them to misery. easy and and and and and Cos OF THERE desperation beat Chelsrent. Simples get the big PIcture
Cn anyone imagine what the media would be saying about United if tonights story was Bayern winning at home 3-2, but going out because Nani scored a wonder goal and Lahm had got sent off.
Something like.
Cheating United fluke win on a unlucky brilliant Bayern Team. Etc Etc.
So fucking down at the minute feeling like the frustration of the 70s and 80s again. will we win the last 5 games of the season? – Maybe (don’t think so)
Will Chelski drop any points – probably not I think we may be deluding yourselves if we think that Spurs will give them a hard game – they are like us from the start of the season all theoir defenders are injured. As for the scum I dont know.
RedHarry4Life – you never know anything is possible got to BELIEVE
Fred- The BBC are AU fuckers.
Keep the red flag flying high, ‘cos Man United will never die!
As our Scouse friends say, there’s always next year.
@theboogeyman “As our Scouse friends say, there’s always next year.”
That is the very definition of gallows humour. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Time to go to bed I think. Goodnight all!
Sorry guys, the only good thing about Gibson in the starting 11 is he can’t come on as a sub. I always know we’re in shit creek when that happens. Raphael was superb at times but well in need of a slap, not for the sending off but for the stupid, selfish shot when Rooney could have scored. That would have been game over.
Nana was magnificent.
“its bad enough they get up warly and steel the sun beds” Quality. That is not a myth either.
Lets be honest. Better than expected season. Still pissed we didn’t get to our 3rd consecutive final, but oh well.
Ando needs to either be allowed to be a creative attacking midfield or we need an AMC. Nani… finally will earn a consistent place. Obertan looked good from what we saw earlier. Valencia… pacey, hopefully he’ll add some more assets to his excellent physique. Raphael needs to be at the right and will have to be given time to grow. Don’t blame him for this exit. Its that kind of pressure that makes managers leery of putting young players out on the field. You need to support him and allow him to grow develop and mature. He’s got the potential to make the grade.
We need to sort out our center defense next season. We also need to figure out if other people can add goals.
Tonka I disagree, he actually should have scored that chance, if you look at it again he has got the whole far corner to put the ball into and given his ability, its not surprising he took it on, he just should have put it in the net. He can score from less inviting angles (as he did against Arsenal for instance). If he keeps playing, which I hope he will, then he will adapt and acquire the mental focus that he needs.
It also wouldnt be a bad idea to give Fabio some games now, maybe 2 of the home games, as Evra is in need of a rest. I think Evra has been our most consistent performer through out the season, but its harsh on him to play every single game and on Fabio too. It is only recently that Evra has shown signs of fatigue, but it needs to be addressed.
And I hope Macheda gets a proper run out til the end of the season, ideally Id like to see him and Rooney up front together next season in a 4 4 2 with no passengers in midfield.
Scott – You haven’t seen the replays of rafael’s foul have you?? While I agree he is young and its not an excuse to continue to commit repeated and silly fouls, this one was surely off the boil. He tugged Ribery’s hand just once, and tried to go over from the other side and Ribery the arse left the ball, went out of his way to block rafael, and then acted as if rafael had made him go off the ball. That wasn’t even a foul, forget it being a SECOND yellow. I do not blame the lad for this incident at all and the referee was just shite. Time and again we have been done in by the refs and this is yet another instance of it…
I had to say the first half was so awesome. Gibson prove to us he can play a part and he is still young. I believe he have a future. At least he shows desire to win every ball. Nani for me was the Man Of The Match. I said before that he had something that other players dont have, he can create something out of nothing. You always depend on this type of players to create. He had this thing just like C. Ronaldo had. I thought he play so well tonight that makes me compare him to Ronaldo. He almost score a hat trick!
Rafael done every well in the first half but he really let his team down. We had a great chance to go semi final and there is no danger in his 2 yellow card. So there is no need to commit any fouls. Other players will cover him. I have been a fans of Carrick. I thought he should have play against Chelsea last week but the first goal really kill us.
We had anxiety all over our face and mind. How can you fall down so easily when the opponent is so close to our goal? If it’s outside the box and there are other players to cover you then you can take a rest. But not now. I think he let us down. I believe Fergie will sell him this summer. We compliment and blame the player because we are not thinking will have the rights to win every trophy season after season. This is a good chance for us to go Final. I don’t believe we will be so lucky every season and there is no guarantee we will get to the Final next season. Time is running out for Fergie and the players. Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Park, Scholes, Giggs, O’Shea, Neville, Hargreaves is getting older and they will get poor season after season.
When we are 10 men down and leading by one goal, i dont believe we can win this match. It proves wave after wave of attack, we are so vulnerable. I really hope we can have a good central midfielder to hold and spread the pass forward. Scholes is getting older and let’s buy Silva to cover for Giggs. Lastly one forward to help spread the burden of Rooney. 3 players to win more titles next season.
Win Lose or Tie UNITED till’ I Die
In spite of a very disappointing result, particularly in view of the way UTD were let down by the match officials last Saturday, I just hope that Fergie and his team have learned something from the last 3 games. At the moment the team needs some serious reinforcements and I hope to see them in the summer. I’m not going to dwell too much on the sort of players needed – that should wait until the season has ended and UTD have wrapped up the EPL title.
At the beginning of the season, after the sale of Ronaldo and with no new players signed to cover the all too apparent short-comings of the team, I didn’t expect them to get too far in the CL, so I’m not greatly upset about last night;s performance. However I said back in August that I thought UTD would win the EPL title and I still stand by that, in spite of Chelsea picking up 3 totally undeserved points last weekend. If UTD play like they did in the first half last night then I can see them winning all 5 remaining games and leaving Chelsea behind.
Just one comment on last night’s MoM. In the last 3 months Nani has proved to be the best winger in the League. Next season I can see him playing along side Rooney in the middle with Fergie buying de Maria for the left wing spot. But transfer speculation can wait until the summer.
the goal conceeded to olic was shocking defending and goalkeeping – no right to win games when u conceed as cheaply as that……….im actually not overly disappointed because barca would absolutely have trounced us in the final ………… much much better team at keeping the ball ………
Wait a minute. This is the same Scott that goes off on a rant everytime Berbatov gets criticized, and claims that “real fans” get behind their players? Yet you want the effects of this match to stay with a precociously talented 19 year old right back? How the fuck is this any different from criticizing Berba? Berbatov has deserved much of the criticism he has gotten, and Rafael deserves to be criticized for his idiotic foul that led to the first yellow, but to want it to stay with him forever? What is wrong with you? This is exactly the reason I hardly read your blog posts anymore.
Absolutely gutted…couldnt sleep at all…fucking feels like the wind gone outta me…but I’lll tell you what:
I feel SO proud to be a United fan today. Playing with ten men for 40 minutes against, let’s admit it, a very, very classy Bayern side and still conceding just one goal from a brilliant individual effort is nothing to be ashamed of. This is what distinguishes us from others. Nine out of ten clubs would have rolled over against that sort of pressure. But we hung on. I can do with trophyless seasons, if only we fight like this in each and every match.
My heart goes out for Rafa…I am a big fan of the twins, and frankly I think the gaffer should have taken him off at halftime. It was so obvious that they were going to target him for the red.
All said and done, WE WILL NEVER DIE!
I am with Scott with the criticism of Rafael, if you think you are too young for criticism, you are too young for the game and should not be playing. What we want is players who will accept the criticisms and rise above it, Beckham’s done it, Ronaldo’s done it, now it is Rafael’s turn, taking in the blame and improving from it is the best way forward.
I feel there is a blame on playing Rooney as well, as much as we and Sir Alex trust him, wouldn’t it have been better to play Berbatov or Macheda? I know there will be people who say hindsight is a good thing, but I’d imagine Berbatov and Macheda must be thinking, “Hell! Is a 20% fit Rooney still better than me?” A starting place for either of them would have done wonders for their confidence, as it is now, they must be feeling pretty annoyed.
As for Carrick, he was great for the first 2 seasons, but it seems like the emergence of Fletcher the following seasons have made him slack somewhat and he has not be able to stop the rot.
Enough for the blame game now, our season is just left with 5 games, let us all get behind our team for the next 5 games before we think about changes for next season. Thou for starters, I would think we need some new blood to boost the team, it kind of feels stagnanted right now. A top quality playmaker should be top of our list
playmaker that fits into my mind ATM is wesley sneijder … saw him for inter was damn freaking good … or van der vaart would do well too
we need another striker pls … SAF pls sign us a world class one this summer pls
Lets not sound so bad in defeat and start slagging bayern players and calling them names. Over the 2 leags they were probably better and we have only ourselves to blame for the exit. They could have got more at the allianz arena and were helped a lot by us yesterday. I also dont feel like blaming young rafael. he is still too young and immature. I am sure he will learn from his mistakes. he had ribery in his pocket in the whole first half. I think it was a silly foul to tug him back and the ref has no option but to book him. My biggest disappointment was why didnt we keep the ball more when we were 3-1 up. All we did was kept hammering long balls aimlessly and inviting bayern pressure. Ribery, robben were average for most of the game but they have it in them to change the game with one moment of quality which robben did yesterday.
Also someone yesterday mentioned about no one being on the line. usually its Rafael who is on the line. had someone been on the line it would have been an easy clearence.
As for Carrick i dont want to slate him but its obvious he has been a major disappointment in the big games. A bit like berbatov he plays really well against the smaller sides but when it comes to the big games he dosent exert the same influence
Scott
Rafael made small mistake, but sending off was harsh – ref shouldn’t have sent him off. So don’t blame rafael (plus: before red card he was absolutely brilliant).
BTW: I think that Carrick played quite well last season until CL final. After Barca show he lost his confidence. This season he’s nowhere his usual form. But I hope that Hargo will be back next season, with him in form on the piotch we wouldn’t have lost yesterday
Somehow.. this season didn’t feel like that “It was meant to be..” with all the injuries, debt problems and the refs.
It seems that every time we have a bad game everybody seems to be talking about a dip in the transfer market. The fans who rant about buying a quality striker should remember that any quality striker (Benzema et. al) would not love to play second fiddle to Rooney just like Tevez didn’t. Macheda is the one for the future. I was quite impressed with his movement after he came on against the rent boys. Once Owen is fit we have enough options.
Talking about the game though.. i thought we were just unlucky. The second yellow could have gone either way. And before the red card, we were running them all over the park. Even after the red card, although they had enough possession it was only that strike from baldy that troubled VDS.
What now..?? We stand up and charge for the league. I think its only a matter of time before luck turns for us and Chelsea lose.
missed the match.
i know carrick has been shite all season, but actually waking up to the news of a champions league exit because of him, oh that just fucking does it!
i do believe rooney’s surprise inclusion was to shake up the nerves, expecting the best striker to be on the sidelines but suddenly seeing him appear on the pitch is a huge psychological blow. so i agree that he should have been subbed at half time cos during that the opposition surely has time to get their heads back together in the dressing room
Interesting what Scott thinks of Rafael after cooling off. Didn’t expect him to be so harsh on the player.
As for Rooney. After every goal we’d scored i was telling to a mate of mine that it is his goal. He served as an inspiration and i can justify Fergie’s decision to play him.
When Barca won CL in 2006 Rijcaard said that every team neads changes every 2-3 years after winning something important. Interesting to see what is in store for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3vrKzM9TDA
i see players doing that all the time, and not getting carded. plus, ribery clearly shoves him and steps on his foot. trying to think without my red tinted glasses here, but to me, that does not look like a yellow.
@jellybean – what is your attitude towards Rafael right now after the Bayern game ? i absolutely love both twins and i think Fergie was wise enough not to make him the main cause of our shortcomings. He said it was Olic’s goal.
A while ago i thought he had just picked some extra weight but look at his legs. He worked in a gym for a while, no doubt about that. He will be a magnificient player in a couple of years time.
Re: Carrick, Hargo better bloody be back for next season! Its the day after and I’m still so bloody mad at Carrick, dawdling about and costing the team. I agree with Scott, keep him away from the first team for the rest of the season! At least Rafael has the excuse of youth and inexperience to blame for his sending off, what excuse does Carrick have apart from being shit? Full marks to Gibbo as well, I’ve never reallly rated him but at he played very well last night.
All in all a very good performance and just unlucky to go out,
Our histry makes us strong,
Your hate makes us astronger
We’ll naver die!
Gosh…yesterdays performance took me to the highest of highs and lowest of lows…its really sad that it ended like it did because i dont think Bayern are a better team than us…we pretty much bought our own downfall and it all started when United could not shut shop in the last few minutes in Munich and allowed Olic to score…really poor mistakes…And now people say its going to be smooth sailing for Bayern against Lyon…really? Lyon are no push overs and could suprise Bayern in my opinion(after all they did dump one heavyweight in Madrid)….
Having said that this season is a one of transition i guess…having to learn to live without the genius of Ronaldo and the fight of Tevez…we haven’t really fallen away from the top…atleast of the english game…unlike Liverpool…we still may go on to win the EPL…although its now totally out of hands…just praying that Liverpool and Tottenham do us a favour in nicking points of Chelsea…Arsenal will fall away towards the end I think without Fabregas…and honestly Bendtner is not good enough to get them out of jail all the time…really shit striker in my opinion…totally over rated and the shit that he talks…he think he’s Henry or something…cocky idiot…
Guys who do you think United should sign next season?…because this season we’ve done the best I think we had at our disposal…Clearly Berba needs to shipped off before he’s over 30 and no one wants anything to do with him…a good striker perhaps Villa? ….also an AM a creator like Gourcuff…maybe let Scholes retire with dignity…although Carrick has been absolute junk this season I still think fergie will keep him…what do you guys think about our spending options in the summer?….
Praying that we win all our remaing games till the end of the season and sneak the title…Glory Glory Man Utd…
Gonna risk the wrath of the rest of you but I thought Evra was poor over the two legs….
Carrick was crap…. has been all season…
Petulance from Rafael may have got him sent off but lets be honest…. there is no way that is a second yellow… the ref should have used his common sense….
Nani was fantastic….. I am so happy to see him playing to his potential
Van der Sar was also very good….
Lets be fair…. this saves us the embarrasement of facing Barca in the final….. we are not as good as last season and they toyed with us then!
The typical Germans comment hasn’t gone down too well in Germany… ha ha ha
fuck them!!!!
@King Eric
I know Rooney was struggling but why not bring on Macheda instead of O’Shea. We went all defensive because we never had a striker on. Nani has never plaed upfront on his own.
I wouldn’t say there is nothing wrong. But what I would say is that there are a few things that need changing. But nothing major like SAF leaving, buying loads of players, etc.
Hopefully Nani and Valencia start contributing more goals, with Macheda, Diouf, Owen, and Welbeck all having the chance to play in the front 3.
I think Giggs, Scholes, and Red Nev will be sed very sparingly next season.
If only we could play like that every game like the first half at Old Trafford!
About Berbatov. What can you say. SAF kept Rooney on instead of putting Berbatov on even at 3-0 up. Class or not, if SAF believed in him then Berbatov would have started. He just doesn’t fit in to the system. Which begs the question what he is doing here…?
It was our performance in Munich that cost us a place in the semi’s, If not for 10mins of bayerns possession it would have been a decent performance on our part but you knew bayern we going to score even at 3-0 they where still a danger, Unfortunetly for us the Italian ‘ref’ (if thats what you’d call him) gave ridiculous calls in favour of bayern, cant even count a handful of free’s he gave us compared to countless he gave bayern, even though we had the ball more? how does that work! batant fouls on United players where brushed aside and not to mention Rafael’s first yellow card came after a foul on the lad, his second was nothing but handbags, a telling off and nothing more, but like the rest of them they love the limelight and any publicity good or bad they’ll take.
Carrick, nobody likes to have a go at one of our own but one can only take so many miss placed passes and horrible positioning he failed to close down bayern on several occasions…
Nani man of the match,
Back to Rafael, after the first yellow it was always in the back of the mind that he would get another. i applauded the lad off and rightly so, he was harsh done by and had a decent game kept ribery quiet up until he was sent off, 80mill? your havin a laugh!
@ Corea- i love our little identical brazillian fullbacks. they def have the potential of being the 2 best full backs in the world and being 1st choice for brazil- and that says a LOT. they’re young, energetic and in the tradition of brazillian fullbacks love going forward and contributing to attacks. they’re not afraid to put a tackle in either, but their judgement will definitely improve over time. remember a certain mr rooney who was known for his temper? i was afraid when he got his first yellow that he’d get sent off, because it was obvious how the bayern players were trying to piss him off. i think scott maybe had a few drinks last night and was pissed off, i’m sure he wont feel that way today. till he got sent off he was absolutely brilliant, defensively and going forward. you’ve got to feel for fabio, having to compete for a spot with the best in his position, but in years to come, i think the twins are def going to be our first choice full backs.
Rooney’s a genius but If fergie doesn’t buy some serious attacking force this summer we won’t do any better than now
p.s It’s official Berbatov is a waste os money
Oh and I don’t buy that Rafael lost us the game. Those other 10 players are good enough to see th result out.
@AlphaRS
Spot on mate. As i said we also didnt keep the ball well launching aimless long balls rather thn keeping possession and frustratinng bayer. i am sure had we kept the ball better bayern would have got frustrated and van bommel would have made atleast one more clumsy foul and been sent off.
O shea coming on would have been bad but it should have been for carrick and macheda for rooney. that would have been better
*wouldnt*
This is a hard one to take. Losing when you deserve to lose is one thing, but winning and still going out is even harder, FUCK this away goal rule! and fuck that ref, fuck bayern munchers, fuck fuck fuck!
GUTTED!
well done to Nani though, he is becoming a real talent for us!
i was amazed and over the moon with nani , excellant , the first half was , bar carrick , just head the fucking ball , i think he was trying to be clever and let it run through , but after that game id rather see gibo start than him , fletch was awesome valencia was as strong and willing as ever and bar nani rafael was our best player in the 1st half , it was a very harsh sending off and i cant blame the boy , more like scarface and co reacting like they had been raped and pillaged , van bommel done worse in the 1st half and got away with it , i really would have liked to see kiko come on instead of berba , just for the legwork and energy , it seems however well we play there are other forces at work stopping us ! if we start like that in our last 5 games we will win them all and the league !!!
That’s a bit harsh on Rafael, the lad had a cracking game before that. I would blame the referee for being a spineless wuss and capitulating to the Bayern player’s demands. Plus, all night long, he was awarding them fouls that weren’t and ignoring our legitimate ones (like the first Rafael yellow, that was definitely a foul on him).
The second one to blame is the whole team as a collective, for taking the foot off the gas after scoring three goals, didn’t they get the memo? WE WANTED SEVEN, actually, after Nani’s second, that was what I was looking forward to.
And, we need to sign one or two proper midfielders in the summer. My MOTM was Nani (oddly, before the red, I had considered voting for Rafael).
Totally agree with you Scott about Rafael – totally his fault and he has to live with it. The first yellow was also needless – trying to win a free kick then kick the opponent – no option but a card. The second had ifs and buts but the biggest but is BUT why tug his shirt. He plays well then in every game seems to be caught out of position and tries to recover by fouling etc. Cost us too many goals and now games. Needs a spell on the sidelines with Carrick. Also agree he is not a quick learner – is this a Latin thing??? Anyway really pissed off this morning.
Roll on Saturday
Rafael was tremendous 1st half but anyone who watches this kid week in week out knew he was going to be sent off as soon as he got booked for a stupid petulant lash out.
At half time he should have been brought off and just lock the door defensively, on a yellow card marking a player that does nothing but run at you????? Crazy to leave him on.
I cant even talk about Carrick, Raf is still learning where as Carrick is a seasoned professional. He cost us the game! I dont know who posted above about him tracking their players all night? Tracking means fuck all if you cant put a tackle in at the end of it. I have always been a fan of carrick but he has had an hurrendous March and April, fuck me he made Lucas Leiva look good!
Tight on Rafael. Boy played well and despite still being green defensively he showed his worth going forward and got stuck in to his challenges. He reacted poorly to getting sent off but he’ll feel awful today. The real villain here as you point out is Carrick. Man has never really fitted the shirt. I have been one of those fans who question if he is fit for our club, he always lacked strength and movement. Sits deep like a quarterback, wanting to only to play delicate passes, which when they come off are great, but you need more to your game than that to play for our club. Bench him and sell him back to Spurs in the summer.
I’m in mourning, feel like I should be wearing black today…
I think we can take heart from what we did last night, we battered them and it was only the lack of common sense from a referee that cost us. Rafael needed to be told to calm down, a ‘one more and you’re off’ kinda thing. Instead the referee bowed to the German pressure, when Van Bommel made fouled whilst on a yellow card, you didn’t see United gathering round the ref waving imaginary cards in the air.
Which brings me onto Ribery, I don’t want him at United. His only contribution to the 2 legs was an awful free-kick that bizarrely deflected in and making a meal out of a nothing challenge to get Rafael sent off. Other than that, he offered nothing. I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
Gonna take a few days to get over this one I feel…
WOW – your spot on apart from the Rafael bit. I’d say he was pretty much one of our 3 best players (Valencia and Nani) all game despite being sent of early in 2nd half. He done a cracking job on Ribery.
He got sent off, he’ll learn. Come on Scott, how many times has Scholesy done it?!
Carrick – dont get me fukin started – sell him NOW
We were great last night. And I’m actually very proud of the lads.
We’ll Never Die
Every single one a great point. Even the one about Carrick sadly..
What about gary neville who put a hand to stop the ball a gave bayern the freekick to the goal in the first leg
Yet an experienced defender.
So scott, shut the fuck up and Rafel sure made mistake as much as evra in the first leg letting the killer goal.
Regard to your comment “I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career.”, I hope that you will regret this statement in the future and that you will end up eating your words.
Awaiting for your response.
I haven’t read all the comments if not I will be here all day.
2 things – we need to replace Carrick. He gave them the chance to get back in the game and gave the ball away too frequently for my liking. I would happily play Gibson in there from now on.
Pity about Rooney but we need a quality striker to back him up. Berba didn’t look interested when he came on – Fergie should have put Macheda on.
Absolutely gutted today and have to deal with a lot of Germans today
Gutted but proud.
If tonight stays with Rafael for the rest of his career, I wish it so only if it spurs him on to become better and remember forever how important every player on the team is, and how their actions can change the fate of games like this – despite what Van Gaal says, Bayern would never have won if we had 11 men on the pitch, and the only reason why Ribery took a cheap pot shot at Rafa by surrouding the referee is cuz he couldn’t cope with Rafa the whole night and getting him sent off was the only way he could get past the young boy.
I’m absolutely absolutely gutted by our exit, but at least this time, it wasn’t cuz we played badly.
Chin up!
@Christoff : Agree completely about Berba…sorry to say this, but I don’t think he really understands what it is to wear the United shirt, and that it is something to die for. I used to really like the guy, but now I think its time for a bit of the old doghouse with him.
@North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row: Couldnt agree more with you – “gutted but proud” sums it up perfectly. I think the biggest accolade came from a Gooner colleague of mine who came up to me, shook my hand and said – “Tough luck, but your lads fought like lions…and that is the difference between our two teams”.
We lost the game last night because of poor management on and off the field. The rooney gamble worked for 15 mins but he was then too injured to carry on. The manager should have pulled him off it should not hvave been left to rooney to decide. We played with ten men for most of the game because of this stupid mans decision to stay on the field. thats why we were tired. The other management problem was on the field. We have not had a captain since roy kean. @ 3.0 up at home he wpuld have bossed the players and held the ball instead of all out attack going into half time. Rio does not live and breath MUFC and shown tonight wheather he wears the armband or not he cannot step upto the plate and become a natural captain in terms of reading the game and strategiclly closing the game or key opposition players out.. The final managment piece of the jigsaw that was missing is not having a real coach. Mike phelan is not the standard we want for MUFC he does not inspire the players or look to have any kind of influence on the tactics of the game.
Keep fergie and put roy kean with him as no 2 or get a foreign coach who is upto date with the modern methods of the game. FOR MUFC to loose a game at 3.0 up 2 mins to half time at a packed old trafford is shameful and an utter disgrace. In Any other form of industry this lapse in performance would only be described as management neglegence of duty and incomptetance of the highest order. kean has learnt his lesson at sunderland and ipswich and is now making progress transfer all his draws at ipswich into wins he would have been in a top promotion spot.
Very dissapointed Red not because we lost but in the manner we lost
Ps exactly the same issues at Chelsea and at bayern the week before.
Good reflection on the game.
I have disliked Carrick for a little while. He is my least favourite United Player. Lacks composure and for someone who is Known suposidly for his Passing ability how can so many simple passes go wrong!
His shooting is extremly poor
His Tackleing is not great
His vision is ok prviding you give him twice as long as paul scholes to spot the pass!
The only thing he is good is his positional play!
Would loved to have known what he was trying to do for Bayerns Goal!
Most mistakes today were made by Sir Alex, the ref and michael fucking lousy carrick.
Carrick should never let Olic get his goal, he looked like a fucking 9YO in that duel!
Sir Alex let Rooney play when he clearly couldnt stress their backline, and that was the reason we kept posession and won the ball all the time. Once they could settle and start playing their game, i knew it was over for us.
Also, he brought on Giggs who has been shit for the last couple of months, instead of bringing on Kiko who’s young, fresh and hot like hell to show himself off. He’d work his arse off.
And the ref, oh my fucking god. I’m not saying he lost the game for us, because if Carrick did what he should have done and not fucked around, and Sir Alex didn’t make the wrong subs we would have won, i’m sure.
But it shone so clearly through that everything he did was in Bayerns favour! Also, had he been the slightest decent he would have sent Badstuber off for his straight foot on Valencia, given Van Buyten three yellow cards and ATLEAST two for Van Bommel. His job is to protect the players, yet Van Buyten could knock on Rooneys ankle three times without beeing given the fucking yellow. CUNT!
But as it stands for now, the blame is mostly on us, because we (atleast I) expect ref’s to do like shit against us by now. If we’d done the right things tonight, we would have won.
@ trevor- i personally am not carrick’s biggest fan either. i really hate slating our own players and even when some members of the team (nani, park, anderson) weren’t playing too well, i’d get mad and swear at the tv but i was willing to give them a chance…plus whenever they did play well, i was always happy for them. carrick…..he’s been off for a while. he constantly gives away the ball, is slow, can’t win the ball, can’t tackle. and his shooting annoys me. yeah he does score the odd screamer, but he can’t always be going for those shots now, can he? that having said, where was the rest of our defense for bayern’s first goal?
Guys….coldn’t bring myself to comment since last night…..
am feeling sick to the core….cant bring myself to sleep or eat and its been 12 fucking hours since the defeat….
Am still proud of the lads performance….even Rafael…who will definitely learn…
All we got to do now is back the team all the way, support our lads in the run-in of the league!
I BELIVE
and if we don’t win anything this year, i’m sure it’ll spur us on for next year, and i pray to the gods that michael carrick either finds back to his 07/08 form, or get the fuck away because right now he just looses duels, looses the ball, miss passes and can’t score!
Unitedzz you muppet, your comments are completely out of order. If you are actually a United fan, you embarrass me. Its Rooneys fault? Fergies fault? Mike Phelans fault? Rios fault? Last night was an utter disgrace? Your post is the most annoying one I have read in a long time, you make me sick. I could go on, but I wont.
My two cents on the game:
· Rooney should have been taken-off immediately after his knock, it was blatantly obvious he was fooked and it just went to show Fergie’s lack of confidence in Berbatov that he stuck with a crocked Rooney ahead of him; very bad decision making by Fergie.
· Referee was very harsh on Rafael, and crumbled under pressure from Ribery (Who could have been booked for retaliation during the same incident). That said, you could justify a yellow card and Rafael was idiotic to get his first yellow.
· From the off in the second half, we needed either stability in the middle or a pressure release up front. Scholes or Macheda in my opinion, and neither were introduced. This resulted in the teams’ retreat into their own box and an invitation for Bayern to pummel us, it was only a matter of time before they scored.
· Carrick, as I’ve been saying for four years, is not a top level player. He’s a nice guy and a good player but can’t hack it at the very top. Put some pressure on him and he collapses. He was weak for the first goal last night, but you’ve got to ask where was the defense? There was no sign of any of the back four. I would put more blame on Carrick for the second, where he lost the ball in the centre of the park, and as a result we gave away a very easy corner.
· It’s been obvious for two years that we’ve had problems in the centre of midfield and haven’t great options up front, hopefully this will convince Fergie that it’s time to bring in some proven talent. Europe’s elite are no great shakes at the moment and I think the introduction of some quality in various positions could put us on top without much trouble.
All in all: Some genius by Ferguson to start with, was counter-balanced by some inept action when replacements were needed and the tactics needed changing. Tactics have never been Fergie’s strongest point, particularly during a game, is it time to bring in someone with expertise instead of Phelan?
PS: As much as it hurts, what a finish by Robben, beautiful strike.
Sell Rafael, Buy Michel Salgado
Sell Carrick, Buy Nick Barmby
Sell Berbatov, Buy Dave Kitson
Sell SAF, Buy Brian Laws
Guys, scott seldom says anything bad about the players. I can understand what he mean. He cost us deep problems and eventually screw our chances of going to the final. This is not the first time in his career that he is send off. If he is gonna learn how many times he gonna make? I think scott feel that he should keep thjs in mind and he wont do it and will be at the club forever as he is indebted to this club.
@BabyFaceAssasin
LOL.I was about to make the exact same comment uve just made mate. Berba IMHO shud be sold quite right coz of his pure languid style.it really does nt suit us well. We need a strong and speedy ST to hold the ball for us and actually has presence in the box. Im running out of superlatives for carrick though. I honestly dnt think hes good enuff and if hargreaves dont play some football anytime soon, I think we need to seriously consider other options such as gourcuff / defour…
Was really gutted, sad and disappointed of the result yesterday. It did not reflect the overall 2nd leg bt we probably deserved it cause of a lack of concentration and pace in our defence these past weeks…rafael was extremely bright and energetic until his sending off..
Strange enough, now that we’re out of the CL. I have a feeling we could still pip chelsea to the title. IF we were to progress, i was worried if we could bring our A game every single week in Europe as well as in Englad considering the fatigue and inconsistent perfomance week in week out by some players.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row if you think that the crowd shouting rooney rooney will make his ankle get better then you are the muppet. we played with ten men for most of the game. Our managment failed to make key decisons when we were three up. At bayern last week (yes i was there) fergie put scholes on van bommel man to man played to their stengths not ours. He did the same on Saturday with fletcher and lampard in the secound half he freed fletcher up and we started to have some of the game. If you think that mike phelan is a top coach and can change the pattern of play in order to counter the other team then i need to stop watching united . This man is average very average and our team this year has looked average with the exception of rooney and fletcher . The bayern fist goal last night was a comedy of errors carrick would have had is arse kicked big style by kean for not compeating as united players compeat.Rio cannot do what kean could do put fear into a player.
The second bayern goal was a fantastic finish but who was organsiing the marking to allow the time to get that shot away where was our defensive organiser. Clear the red mist from the eyes last night was a shambolic management performance. The players in general gave us all they could give us given the circumstances. The display orf organsiation,coaching and decison making was not. accepatble. at the top level and we got found out.
@Notorious Red Devil
Re: Champions League Final 08′ Carrick was at fault for Lampard’s goal and he missed an absolute sitter to make it 2-0!! He’s been a passenger for too long
dissapointing, really dissapointing. i hope to god bayern get to the final and then get properly destroyed by barcelona. i couldnt get to the game yesterday so i had to watch it on rte and i could not believe the panel . john giles eamon dunphy and ray houghton had a bloody field day sticking it to united, even before the game they were at it and the same at half time. some of thier observations were laughable, giles saying that united “never really dominated the game” despite being 3 nil up., dunphy spouting utter shite with some of his comments,”this is the end of united” “nani is a nothing player and had a terrible game” despite scoring twice and probably being uniteds best attacking threat. did anyone else watch these shower of pricks last night by any chance? i dont know what has happend to carrick over the last few months but he has played dreadful. i think that your being very harsh on rafael , yes it was naiive of him but place the blame on him is taking it too far. how many times has paul scholes done stupid things like that , that could have cost us dear. what about his attempt to lamp xabi alonso at anfield in 07, his petulant sending off against roma in the first leg defeat in 07? im not having a go at scholes because he is one of the greatest players to ever pull on the red shirt, but if your going to criticise rafael then surley you cant ignore scholes past actions either. you seem to also forget as someone above rightly pointed out , neville was at fault for the first goal in munich, by stupidly handballing it. the abu media love this, another chance to kick united when thier down but next year we will come back stronger and hopefully can win the european cyup again.
Where were the defenders for their first goal? They were up front for a set piece.
Hold on, we’re 3-0 up in The European Cup Quarter Final at home to Bayern Munich, and our two main central defenders are up attacking a set piece and leaving a midfiled player to defend for them?
FFS! How fkn naive is that? !!!!!
WTF were these experienced defenders thinking? Where was the leadership there Rio?
Somebody needs a bollocking for this,.
Oh well, on the brightside at least its money not going in the Glazer coffers and we can put all our aging squads efforts into fighting for the title.
Truely am gutted about the result, First half performace was the best I had seen for quite at while at OT and like Scott I was buzzing and celebrating like my life depended on it for each of the three goals.
Agree with most of what Scott has said. Rafael was harshly given a second yellow and that reaction of those German twats did not help.But as Scott has stated it is not the first time Raf has done this this season. He needs to learn fast and I am sure he will. He will i am sure be feeling really low about this but will come back stronger.
Carrick has been awful all season, it think it is time for him to be shipped out and we buy a class CM. Plus people forget we still have Ando to come back and Hargreaves but we do need a class creative midfielder ASAP this summer.
That last 20 mins I cannot believe how much Paddy looked out of sorts. Granted he has been our most consistant performer of the season but he looked shattered. Hope he can carry on till the end of the season maybe get a rest at the world cup warming the french bench as Abidal is surpisingly first choice left back.
I thought the 2 wingers valencia and nani where our best players on the pitch by a mile,Nani especially and as scott says he now knows what playing for united means, they chased lost causes and we did have chances to bury the game,but thats football, gutted like everyone else.
We all know how refs can even games up and last night wasn’t any different, I’m sick of sh1te refs in football as they have there own agender to how the game will go, van bumhole should have gone in the first half, rubbery is a cheat for getting the young kid sent off and should off been booked for diving about,80million your having a laugh, car crash.. Carrick was very poor and I’ve not seen him play a great game since we hammered roma, we need help for fletcher, carrick isn’t it, he was too deep to cause bayern any problems, lets not dwell on defeat but raise our game and go top of the league again and hope chelski get kicked off the pitch by villa. Viva Nani..
NortH Stand – Spot on fella at 9.15
Scott I think your assessment of Rafael is a little harsh.
He is young and did the wrong thing but he will learn. The impression I got from him leaving the pitch in that way was not self pity but that he knows he had just let the team down and couldnt believe he had acted so stupidly.
Other than that he performed exceptionally well when he was on. Ribery had such limited opportunities because of Rafael and he managed to get forward on a number of occassions providing attacking support.
Still so fucking down, furious, angry.
Hate to say this but we are going to have to cheat like the rest of europe. Really go down every time we are touched, surround the refs to get other teams players booked. When fouled go down like we have been shot by a sniper, this is something we should maybe have taken from CR7, instead of trying to get him to stop it. Said earlier Rafa should have gone down as if Ribery had hit him tried to get him a red card as well. Plenty of times last night were our players could have rolled about and got some of their players in trouble, we didnt do it and are now out of Europe with the easy draw.
Another wasted opportunity, lost this tie in Munich, sat there and waited for bayern to win it
We must learn to play the refs and officals in Europe – as all explayers say be PROFESSIONAL
You’re being a bit harsh on Carrick. Fair enough, he was poor last night, and for most of this season even, but to say that he hasnt been up to it for 4 years? In his 3 full seasons here, we’ve won 3 Leagues, got to two Champions Leagues Finals, and won the World Club Championship. Its impossible to carry a central midfielder to that extent, so he must have been doing something right. He mightnt be the best player we have, but he has been a very important cog in the team over the last 3 seasons.
As for last night, we were 3 up and cruising, playing great stuff with energy and abandon in real United style, and it was great to watch, but we got caught day dreaming and went 3-1.
Rafaels sending off was coming (I said to my mate at half time I didnt think he’d make the 90 minutes), and after that it was backs to the wall – but we still had the best chance of the second half – Nani going clean through, and even Gibsons and Carricks shots on goal should have produced something. It took a stunning strike to beat us.
Ribery was cleaned, first by Rafael and then by O’Shea (who did well for his first game in months), and Robben wasnt much better. 60 million for Ribery in the summer? thanks but no thanks.
Some of ye on here seem to think we have a God given right to win every competition, every game, and by a landslide. Football isnt like that – thank fcuk it isnt or it would be very boring indeed. I remember the late 80s and early 90s, unlike a lot of ye on here, and it wasnt always League championships and European finals. You need a bit of luck to win anything, and over the two legs we just didnt get it, but thats life.
We’re still league champions, and until we cant mathematically win it this year, I’ll hope and assume we will. After the previous two games which were hard to stomach, the lads put some pride back into the jerey last night, and I will take the positives from it. Ye can search for the negatives if ye want, and depress yourselves, but your going against what it means to be a United fan. Even when we’re down, we’re still proud to be associated with United and always sing and cheer on go around like we dont give a fcuk what others think, and thats what gets up everyone elses noses – winning is just a bonus, being a United fan is what really matters.
Always look on the bright side of life….
Oh yes and the atmosphere was cracking yesterday night even when we went 3-2 down and didnt look like getting an equaliser. much better than the chelsea game.
Credit to all those fans who went and sang their heart out
how the fuck was van der sar beaten from there for olic’s goal?! whereas the BM keeper saves from a similar position from nani. that’s the difference.
fucking gutted man. fucking gutted.
I watching Manchester 13 years…and I never seen our defence so bad. They are good, but last few months they are makeing so stupid mistakes, that you can t believe. I said it few days ago, that i cant believe how you can leave left or right side empty? 10 players in the box…and they leave Robben alone…how come????? First rule of defence is to see are any dangerous player in the box alone.
We didn t lose becuase we didn t score, we lost becuase our defence geting stupid goals!
LOOK, WE HAD A 2 CLEAR CHANCES TO SCORE, AND DIDNT. YOU CAN T MAKE THESE MISTAKES IN THE QUATER FINALS…SO WHEN I WAS “NEGATIVE”, ACTUALLY I WAS REALISTIC. I KNEW WE ARE GOING TO LOSE, SOMEWHERE…AND I WAS RIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU SAY THAT, YOU ARE ENEMY
Thank God for Nani and Gibson…they play better and better. When i saw how was Nani dribleing 3 guys around him, and they couldnt take him a ball
i m happy with the game, we played good, but sorry for not geting into the semi…we had a clear way to finals..
Scott The Red said:” The referee: Wow. Did our players miss the memo that said if you fall over, regardless of whether you are fouled or not, the referee will award a freekick? Sixteen times the referee blew for a foul on Bayern Munich players and I’d argue even half of those were generous decisions.”
Stop clutching at straws.The referee’s performance was fine.
You made yourself look like a downright cunt by using the referee as an excuse as to why we didn’t win.
I dont think I can post on here today, i never read so many ridiculous comments in all my life!
@ Ashish
Bit harsh there son, Scott was merley stating an opinion. The ref was very soft, but I fail to see in Scotts blog he is solely blaming the ref for our European exit!!!!
The ref was very soft and bayern players played on it including doing two or three roles every time we won the ball i can count a nuber of occasions where Utd players won teh ball first and maybe got a bit of the man. Fletcher and Evra to name a few.
Yes robben strike looked good but he could have had a picnic on the edge of the box he had that much time, ball watching caused the team the most problems, we could go on picking faults with this and that but I do think we have positives to take from this game, we need the players to pick their heads up and to go out and thrash blackburn.. Fergie will have baselined all the players on there performance last night and he will know best who can cut it, he knows when a players sell by date is due(looked what happened to timmy howard- 1 mistake in europe and gone and he still bottles the big games too), learn and live and support..
unitedzz, just cause you were at the game last week doesnt mean you can slate everything that moves. Rooney was given the all clear to start by the medical staff. He was moving well and got a knock, it looked bad and Fergie had the two lads warming up. Rooney was the one who said he thought he was ok and could run it off. We were 2 up, destroying Bayern, and our best player says he is ok to continue, so why wouldnt they leave him on? Hindsight is a great thing, aint it?
It was Rios fault for Robbens strike? Have you ever played football at any level? Every man has a job to do, its not up to the centre back or captain to go around and check everyones position before a corner comes in. Rio and the rest of them were under severe pressure against a team with an extra man. Yeah Robben shouldve been marked, but its not Rios fault he wasnt.
As for the management side of things, its not only Phelan you’re having a go at, its Fergie aswell, since he gets the final say on what we do on the pitch. I dont think Phelan is a ‘top coach’, but to blame him for last night is ridiculous. With 11 men on the field, we were by far the best team. Its very easy to disect a game afterwards and blame this and that, thats what the muppets on the telly do – try make it look so easy and that the players and managers are poor, yet as easy as they make it look none of them step up to the plate and go into management, where they would no doubt pick a perfect team and play a flawless game.
Fergie and Phelan made big gambles last night, and they worked better than any of us could have dreamed – 3-0 up and cruising. They got a poor goal, but how he squeezed it in I’ll never know. Rafeal saw red, and that last minute winner in Munich came back to bite us. If we had of kept 11 men, and went on to win 4-1 or 5-1, which would have been a real possibility, none of the negative comments Im reading would be on here today. But things didnt go our way, so we get the knives out. Your entitled to your opinion, its just one that I dont agree with. Maybe Im the idiot here, but Id rather be the one seeing things in a positive light, than be the one that wrote the comments you did.
Thought we were going through 11 vs 11, we have gone out on away goals despite winning the game at home,
Bayern only scored 1 worthy goal in two legs, and that was against 10 men, we made it difficult for ourselves by gifting Bayern 3 soft goals, there is no exuse for defending like that at the top level,
Furius with the way the Bayern players surrounded the refeere to get Rafeal sent off, “Respenct the Ref” clearly is not complient to the rest of Europe
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row at 10.03
Great post mate, great fucking post!!!!!!!
The thing that makes me the most crazy in the world on this blog is that every time you blame referee…LEAVE THEM ALONE!
WE, ONLY WE ARE GUILTY THAT WE DIDNT WIN, WE DIDNT SCORE TWICE WHEN WE HAD A CHANCE, NOT REFEREE!!!!
second, now Barcelona will win a title and be the first that defende the title….i know that they are better than us, but at least, we would have another chance to try to win them. Maybe luck would be on our side. And our game was good, if defence would be more concentrate, use our chances and Rooney come back…we would have a chance to win them. This game gave me more faith how good we are. Before i was sure when we come in chance to score that they will 100% score. Now it is not like that. We could play twicw in the final against same club…it would be in history in all newspaper…but that is only IF that happend, IF we score, IF we didnt get a red card…IF our defence didint leave Robben alone…to many bloody IF, IF, IF…they ruined my day with that elimination…i feel so bad today…i have no will for work…for anything…we should be machines…no feelings..no nothing
We will be back stronger next year, this wasn’t our year, get behind the team they will need our support..
On the up Bayern will go out next round to lyon, van dirtpipe is banned??, and bastien pigsh4gger is banned too, we are all gutted but BE UNITED.
@ North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row: Spot on. Great post.
Nani has proved to the whole world how good he is when he gets a good consistent run of playing time, and when he gets support from Management! The rest of Europe knows United wouldn’t have got through the earlier rounds of the CL without Nani assists. He made the goal scored at CSKA away, Besiktas away, Bayern Away, and Wolsburg away 2 assists for Owen. The lad has NEVER been appreciated by the United faithful, who conveniently forget these assists of his in the big games – Arsenal away anybody? He has loved our club and what it stands for, and us United fans more than Ronnie or Anderson does, and that without any real support in return from the terraces. No wonder Mourinho wants him for Inter, and Barca for their team, and why shouldn’t he go in the summer, he has only been cold shouldered and unappreciated by United fans!
north stand tier 3, bang on mate. we dont have a god given right to win, everyone thinks we do and when we lose its the end of the world, recently we have just become so used to winning that the recent fans cant hack it and lash out at the team, the management, everyone…but the game was true utd spirit, fast attacking football, working hard off the ball, nani, what a transformation
yes its hard to stomach the loss, but we’r united and onwards and upwards 
you brighten my day mate
sorry scott but i cant agree with you about rafael. he was 1 of the best (if not the best) on the pitch until the red card. im pretty sure that you shouted to the ref when he showed the second yellow. so its means that he shouldnt sent off. how many similar or worse fault is withuot any booking during a game??? 5-10?? was a very harsh decison. glory man united
Rafeal played brilliantly throughout the game – this is also a young boy that is still maturing as a player and that was a totally wrong and harsh decision to send him off for something so little. So, that is what I will disagree with you on.
I feel disappointed that from 3-0 up we didn’t win or score a few more goals. I was hoping for a miracle at the end like Bayern had with that last ‘second’ goal(!) Maybe from Berbatov – to prove everyone that is a very good player because I know he is. We played very well – much better than our two previous games.
What made it even worst was the away goal advantage. Who in the world came up with that and why?! This is one stupid thing that the champions league came up with. It’s silly.
Nani is an exceptionally good and talented player in the squad. I think he is one of the strongest and last night he really show his true quality and what he offers for Manchester United. Without a doubt, he could one day be better than Cristiano Ronaldo ever was(!) Such a shame that is now going to be overlooked because of the loss.
I just hope that we can keep playing like we did in the first half of this game, at the next. It was terribly disappointing – like this blog pointed out – I’ve never been as happy as when we scored those goals.
@ Isaidso: I agree with the nani comment, I’ve been in the stretford end and the moans when he makes a mistake, I feel that some supporters want finished articles in less than 12 months, never going to happen, we have a lot of tallent coming through the ranks and we need the united faithful to support these youngsters and not destoy them.. BUSBY BABES
Whilst I felt just as angry as Ferguson did last night, he has a responsibility to represent the club. It’s unfortunate that he allowed the ‘typical Germans’ remark to slip out, even if he may have had a point about Ribery’s appeals. Van Buyton did target Rooney visibly but these things happen in football. We were unlucky and I thought everyone other than Carrick and Rooney were great last night and did the club proud.
Looks like everyone’s still pissed about the game last night, buts its done with. The focus now should be improving the side, not just with signings (in fact that should come last)most importantly we need a ball retention policy and passing practice.
This may sound weird but its true that is exactly what we need, our reliance on wingers to move the ball forward with pace every time will not always work, as was evident last night.
When we went down 10 men the tactics that gave us 3 goals in the first half ended up knocking us out of Europe.
Where to start with carrick (yes i’m singling him out), he might have been here in our championship winning years but he isn’t here when we need him which is right now. SAF has got some thinking to do for the rest of the season and for the next
Guys do you rate Hugo Lloris of Lyon?. Heard a rumour that the Gunners want him in the summer to replace Almunia.
Agree with pretty much everything Scott says. Carrick was shocking and it was just another time in a list of many where he has been caught out. The second goal can be directly attributed to him as well for losing the ball in midfield. I’ve stuck by him but he’s done it too many times now – he’s a bloody shitehawk.
Playing Rooney from the start was a risk but it was one that totally paid off at first as he was directly involved in the first two goals – I don’t think we would have come out of the blocks like that without him but without a doubt he stayed on the pitch far too long. I thought Fergie might have known by now – you can’t ask Wayne Rooney if Wayne Rooney is fit to play – it was obvious to everyone after 30mins that he wasn’t fit to stay on.
It’s a pity that Rafael got himself sent off – though I do think ribery helped him on his way – the ref wasn’t even gonna give a foul until Ribery turned around and shoved Rafael off. Raf was well on his way to a joint MoTM award with Nani before that. Nani was incredible by the way and his turnaround is one of the best I have seen – he’s finally showing the brilliance that he promised in glimpses in his first season. If he can keep this up next season (from the start) we will have a real gem on our hands.
I was shocked at Gibson’s inclusion, but he put any worries to rest quite quickly so fair play to him.
The most disappointing thing about the whole tie is that it was our’s for the taking. Going 1-0 up away from home and 3-0 up at home and still going out is unbelievable. Agree with Fergie though, despite having just about the worst performance of the season in the first leg, if we kept 11 men on there was no way we weren’t going through last night. Any calls for wholesale changes are ridiculous, though what I wouldn’t have given for Owen Hargreaves instead of Michael Carrick last night.
“Rafael da Silva: I hope the feeling of being at fault for Manchester United’s exit from the European Cup sticks with him for the rest of his career.”
“I wouldn’t be averse to him giving a slap or two.”
Sounds even more stupid in the cold hard light of day. You’ve outdone yourself this time, Scott.
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Yesturday was bitterly disappointing, but i am finding it hard to feel bitterness towards Rafeal for getting sent off. As soon as he got his yellow card for is first synical foul on Van Bommel, I was waiting in expectation for his yellow on Ribery. He does’nt wana lose, and plays like it, but i just expect him to mess up due to inexperiance, especially when marking a world class player like Ribery. However despite this, his first half performance was so promissing, he stuck to Ribery something Gary Neville didnt do in the first leg as well as broke down the right flanik to almost register for us so I cannot help but feel sorry for the lad as he got sent off. On the other hand there is someone who I almost solely blame for the defeat and that is Michael Carrick, he aint enough for Man Utd at the moment and I kow if Owen Hargo was ever fit, that Carrick would know what is means to be a benchwarmer. He aint any good for our midfield, he hardly bombs forward with possesion of the ball, hardly puts in a crunching tackle, hardly ever makes a fucking tackle for that matter, all he can do is if he is lucky intercept a wrongly placed pass or shoot wide when on the edge of the area 7/10 attempts. Yesturday he was totally at fault for the Olic (to whom I think was a total cunt over the tie!!) he did nothing but fall the fuck over! I noticed that in the first half, he missed a glorious opportunity when Han-jorg Butt miss-kicked the ball and he decided to Butt’s shoot near post, when the far post was glearingly open for a shot. As Scott pointed out he miss-kicked an akwardly bouncing ball, but by this time his performance was so bad that i expected him to fuck that up anyway!
He is not of the quality we need in our midfiled and whe there are younsters in the team like Rafeal (before his exit) and Darren Gibson out performing you in a European Quarter Final, there is something seriously wrong with him. I still to this day dont think he has recovered from the ass whiping he got from Xavi and Iniesta in last years Champions League final, He aint got the stuff for our team and until those that do either come back into the team i.e. Hargo, Anderson (when he is having one of his rare good days), Giggs and even Scholes is better than him! Last night when he came off, the players on the bench looked pissed with Carrick (especially, Ronney and Johnny Evans) not many fans that were sat around me applauded Carrick when he came off neither!
He is a fucking experienced player that plays like a fucking doughnut when we need him to perform. I aint got no support for Carrick, he isnt enough in our midfield and for his time in a United shirt should be alot more reliable than he has been.
4eva United!
Morning Guys
Feel ruined.
One thing, though: Carrick. I thought he was brilliant for the first 25 minutes. He made some very clever passes, long and short, early on and, with Fletch, was making us purr. Rooney’s knock was when it all changed. We had no energy up front as he tried to run it off, and the momentum started to shift, culminating in the disastrous goal before half time.
Rafael is a total liability with his fouling. He needs to sort it out. It’s not the first time he’s proved petulant and immature. He needs to grow up and start fulfilling some promise. Other than that, we did great. Bayern were brilliant at playing the ten men, no question.
I see the media are trying to whip up a shitstorm over Fergie’s off-the-cuff “typical Germans” remark. What a precious bunch they are. How dare that evil Ferguson allude to the fact that Bayern are German, in these sensitive times we live in? It’s outrageous I tell you!
Anybody here rate Hugo Lloris of Lyon?
rafael doesnt have enough experiance to play in games like this, he made stupid errors similar to when fabio was sent off last year.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row
i am not against the players we have good players but even these need managing. SAF manages the club in total and is the greatest manager we have ever had. the establishment behind te scenes is fantastic and can not be questioned. However modern day football need more than one man and the first team coach is important in identfying who on the day is not upto the mark for whatever reason. The feedback he gives is vital in helping the manager make crucial decisons. Phelan does not even sit next to fergie in the team area nor does he stand i in the technical area . He only goes into the technical area when fergie reminds him to do so . Phelan is not a tactical coach and fergie has been carrying him he is our weakness not the players or fergie however if fergie carries on with him eventually his decisons will be questioned. In money terms we have probably lost 25- 30 mill from last nights defeat. and some world status . both of these we needed to attract new players . in the cold light of day go into your boss this orning and tell them they have just lost this amount of money based on emotion you wil not las long in your job.
if we had been beaten by the better side i would hold my hands up but we were not beaten by the better side we were beaten because emotion crept into the decion making managerial process we did not react enough to the changes of the game and for this reason i can only hold the first team coach to acount and the on field captain and senior players.
United are my team followed them through thick and thin. its important we keep the standards fergie has set and this applies equally to the clubs coaching capabilities. Phelan did not recognise the buildingf emotions in young Raf he did not recofgnise carrick was a complee no mark he did not over rule rooney when he put his thumbs upto to the sideline when he was hobbling around . he did not recognise we were 3 up with 2mins before half time and sent our defendrs up to attack a corner when we could have played out the time and regroup in the dressing room with a 3.0 lead
My argument is proffesionals need professionals to manage them phelan is a good back room support type of guy but not a dynamic coach that can read the fast changing events on the field. brian kidd went all over the world coaching whilt at united carlos was another cutting edge coach not mike phelan at carrington.
sorry i have offended you this was not the intention our players are good some even great our manager is great without question but our tactical coach is no where. if we want to move on to the level of football barca are playing we need new thinking at this level and not at any other.
we have the same passion for the cause but not the same route of achieving the result all the best North Stand,Tier 3,Back row lets not forget we can still win the title.
@In4muslegand – good point about that chance we had after Butt kicked it straight to Carrick, I’d forgotten about that. There was no need to shoot straight away (with his left foot, I think?) He could have played it cool and created an easy chance for Rooney or Nani. That’s hindsight for you though…
still devastated about last night – in the space of 8 days we have almost definitely blown a golden opportunity (unless chelsea still have some slipping up to do) to set some personal records and win the pl and perhaps even the cl (if anyones been following the liga this yr out of curiosity, even barca has been unconvincing at times against teams they should beat by several goals in theory).
next yrs cl and pl comps will almost certainly be harder as teams like chelsea, juve, ac milan and real madrid are not going to make the same mistakes as they did this season. All of those teams are going to add significant reinforcements over the summer and are most likely going to improve on their performances of this season and i get what saf is saying about not spending over the odds but we may need to join the overspending rat race that will almost definitely happen over the summer or we could be in liverpools situation next season if this team worst performances this yr becomes common practise next season.
I got a feeling that next seasons honors may be determined by who buys who. Right now it looks like that chelsea, liverpool, real madrid and perhaps acmilan and juve are going to buy big to make sure that this season isn’t repeated and that barca, inter, bayern, arsenal and probably ourselves are going to strengthen themselves in a more minor manner. The problem is that i can’t see any of the above teams selling their best players and the french and german leagues (and even the italians to an extent) will probably be less willing to sell their best players after they put their respective leagues back on the map after their cl successes this season – basically there is more demand than supply for this summer and it isn’t going to help that some clubs are going to probably buy some of the upcoming talent to stop other clubs from owning a potental future star not (just) to enhance their future (see canales to madrid for example theory of this – madrid aren’t really ones to buy for the future, they buy for the here and now).
i thinks aims for the summer should be:
> a eventual replacement for vds (between this summer and summer 2011)
> keeping our whole defense (not just the ist choice back 4 together) – we are not going to do much better than rio, vida and evra (considering world class defenders which other clubs are willing to sell at not too high a price are like golddust), when fit wes and o’shea act as great backup, the da silva twins and evans (and hopefully smalling when he comes) will ensure that we have a formidable defense for yrs to come and neville is still priceless in terms of wisdom and experience he can impart
on younger members of the squad.
> a midfielder (probably central) as giggs and scholes aren’t able to have the same impact as they used to and anderson & carrick have not convinced for a while.
> An experienced (but under the age of 25 -26 if possible) forward – obertan, macheda, welbeck and diouf are ones for the future in 1-3 yrs time as they need more experience, owen is ideal in that super sub role but not as a starter and i think berba on his day could be top flight but need someone else up front to share responsibility (plus our team seems to work best when we have 3 top flight forwards available eg…. rooney, ronaldo and tevez of 07/08 – adding berba to that 3 in 08/09 just caused problems and berba and rooney by themselves leaves us in major problems when rooney is injuried or having an off day as berba seems to need a partner to function himself)
> someone who can take a good freekick (lets admit it, since ronaldo left we have managed to find a good replacement in terms of the winger in him (valencia), goalscorer (rooney – though we do still need to find a replacement for rooney in theory) but we haven’t replaced to freekicker) – hopefully hargreaves or a new player can help solve this problem in time for next season.
In a dream world getting both david villa and silva from valencia in theory should work wonders and by getting both we have 2 players who already know how to play with each other like the back of their hands so adjusting to our league would hopefully not be so much of a problem. i think that they will probably cost around £50-60m combined which is probably a good price for those 2 but (a) saf is too stubborn (and the glazers too cheap) to spend that amount and (b)it’s probably a 3 horse race between chelsea, barca and madrid for those 2 and with their pockets we have no chance. if joe cole is available on a free then that could work well.
I know some of the utd fans want ribery and/or benzema but neither want to come here, both want to be in madrid and both have pretty big egos that could cause problems and i know benzema on loan is a possibility but why would we want to aid madrid in any way, long term they would benefit from the loan more then us and i think saf has provided them with enough indirect favours in the past (i am still trying to figure out how they are going to buy ribery, gerrard, villa, silva, etc…. and not have an ego problem at some point next season – the only reason they haven’t really had a problem this season is that the potental ego’s (the galacticos) have been injured at different points so everyones had a chance to prove themselves – if it wasn’t for that i think players like huguain and vdv would be available on the cheap this summer. we still haven’t got the answer to how many egos (that are used to being the main man in their previous team) can stuff in a team before we start seeing drama of a soap opera variety, esp if the unthinkable was to happen again next season and they get knocked out early out of cl again – i personal think that they will at least get to the wembley final with the amount of talent in their team but here’s hoping they trip early again)
sorry the above was off topic – i know we can still get a happy end to the season but looking ahead to the summer is slightly calming at this time, for me at least
last nights result must have given the red knights more amo ahead of the summer don’t you think?
also on the papers saying that the english league is no longer that strong – they have to remember that the pl was one of 2 leagues that had 2 representatives in the qf stage, france being the other one – suggesting that for the first time in a while there is not a dominant league in europe. Also apart from liverpool, the other 3 english representatives were hit by a lot of bad luck this season. Everyone knows that the eventual cl winners usually have some luck along the way, whether it’s a ref call going their way, a lucky goal, opposing teams playing below their potential or being hit by injuries. I’m not saying that bayern, barca, lyon and inter don’t deserve to be in the semis because it still takes talent to take advance of another teams misfortune, esp if on paper they are better then you. But both utd and chelsea had their worst performances of the season against bayern and inter respectively (and injury problems) – if both teams had been playing at their best both should be in the semis right now on paper and if arsenal hadn’t of had the misfortune of facing barca and the extreme amount of injuries they had to cope with in the quarters then i think they could of given at least inter or bayern a run for their money.
Hopefully the gods will shine on the english teams a bit more favorably next season – if only to stop the papers saying how much weaker the pl is against other leagues right now (hopefully fulham wins the uefa cup and helps to prove that theory wrong – a currently 12th place pl team winning the uefa cup would hopefully help prove that as a overall unit the pl is still one of the strongest)
rant over
I am really sore about the lost but alas, this is football….. Just have to live with the smirk that is on Arjen Robben’s face. I hope Nani, Macheda, Gibson can all go on from here and improve. It would be great to have a more attack-oriented Valencia + Nani running down the wings, and for Berbatov to find his feet and best position in our club. Fletcher needs a backup and Carrick needs to triple his training
@unitedzz – strange that you choose to blame Phelan for those things. Safer than blaming Fergie I suppose?
Anyway, like I’ve said before on here, you might get your wish this summer when Queiroz’s shite Portugal side have been knocked out of the World Cup and he comes crawling back to us after being sacked again.
we played the (2nd) game the United way; stylishly, deservedly, and with class;
Bayern won the tie the german way: undeservedly: with gamesmanship, cheating, taking advantage of a weak and biased referee, and a big piece of luck.
We lost it not at OT but at the Allianz.
I really disagree with some of the comment. we didn’t loss to bayern because of rafael, man utd win 3-2 with him around. some of you said that neville should slap rafael because he was sent off tonight but the truth is neville should be slap for the loss in champions league. when he played against bayern, he made a ridiculous handball & we loss 2-1. when up against chelsea we loss 2-1 & he was in both game. maybe my comment are not worth reading because i’m just nobody & cannot see the way i see it. against bayern it was a double game, the first leg we lost & the second one is a win,we should compare between this 2 games & then we can see the true weaknesses
THE SENDING OF WAS HARSH, THOUGHT YOU HAD IT WRAPPED UP AFTER 3 NIL, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE ITS HARD TO ARGUE WHEN YOU GO OUT TO SUCH A GOAL, SHAME THO, WAS WANTING YOU BOYS TO GO ALL THE WAY TO ENSURE YOU DONT HAVE FULL CONCENTRATION ON THE PL.
OH WELL
As I said before, I am a new poster here but a long time reader. And the main reason I love this place are the posts. Each time I feel bad, but positive about the overall outcome and come here and read the same thing, it feels great and proud to be a United fan.
The main reasons why we were knocked out are the late-minute goal in the first tie and Rafa’s red card. I am not quite as harsh on Rafa as Scott was, but still both the yellow cards were idiotic. Saying he is a youngster does not excuse him – maybe the 2nd card anybody might have committed that cynical foul when Ribery was through, but the first card was absolute petulance right in front of the linesman. He is a top-quality player, but almost every match he commits one of these stupid fouls and if he doesn’t change himself after a match like that, then he never will.
Contrary to what some people think, United don’t need any personnel changes. IMO, we have never been a team where a single playmaker like Sneijder, Xavi or Iniesta does the trick. Our strength is in teamwork, moving the ball about freely and using the width of the pitch to good effect. And we have the width aspect with Nani, Valencia, Park, and Obertan to add. And if Berbatov is played with one striker up top, he is the best at releasing the wingers out wide, as we have seen with the combination of him and Valencia resulting in headers for Rooney in the past 2 months. As for the core mid-field, Andersen and Hargreaves have been out for a long time but will come back. Imagine a mid-field squad that contains Fletcher, Andersen, Hargreaves, Carrick, Park, Giggs and Scholes, not to mention Gibson waiting in the wings. I cannot imagine a better-equipped midfield than that. Again, ignoring the ability of the sole superior playmaker and thinking what United has always been about, I think that squad will kick any team’s backside. And, yes, Carrick has sucked in recent weeks but saying he has never produced a quality performance is stupid, remember Roma 3 years ago. This season he has been very below-par though, but I hope he gets back to where he was in his first one and a half seasons with us.
And, to be fair, like some people have mentioned, the luck has not been with us this entire season and that was magnified in the past week, with some unlucky goals, and atrocious refereeing. I can imagine one or two decisions going against us, but both games against Chelsea, and quite a few other decisions have not gone for us in general, which has played its part in where we are now. Not to mention injuries. Imagine, when one player in one position gets injured, then it seems everyone from that position follows.
Finally, a season like this only makes the team stronger. We have had 3 consecutive EPL titles, with a 4th one just 2 points away in the table. We have made 2 CL finals winning one. We have sold a player who is probably second in the world ratings right now, we have had some unimaginable injuries to our first, second and third choice defenders, we were not even given a chance at anything this season at the start, let alone what all we have achieved till now, plus we have the worst money problem of any big club right now in the world. Still, we won the Carling Cup, are 2nd in the league only 2 points behind the leaders with 5 games to go (2 of which are very difficult ones for the Chavs), we have made a 4th consecutive CL QF and can generally be considered unlucky not to make the semis. I cannot imagine any other team in the world doing all that with the problems we have had.
And, no I do not want Barca to win their 2nd consecutive CL, coz then I would get sick of all the Barca love in the world. I mean when we beat Roma 7-1, Milan 4-0, make two consecutive finals, everyone is like its just United, but when Barca do it, everyone is like OMG, Barca are the best in the world, team of Gods and all. I am absolutely sick of it and I hope any other team wins it other than Barca.
Just my two cents, that’s all.
I agree that Carricks time is coming to an end at United, but to say he’s never been good is just plain wrong. Rooney has burst a blood vessel in his ankle, but saf says he shouldn’t be out for too long.
@dl “next yrs cl and pl comps will almost certainly be harder as teams like chelsea, juve, ac milan and real madrid are not going to make the same mistakes as they did this season. All of those teams are going to add significant reinforcements over the summer and are most likely going to improve on their performances of this season and i get what saf is saying about not spending over the odds but we may need to join the overspending rat race that will almost definitely happen over the summer or we could be in liverpools situation next season if this team worst performances this yr becomes common practise next season.”
I agree with your entire post but this part in particular is what should be worrying every United fan. There’s a certain other team who are going to spend big in the summer, they’ll probably be in the Champions League too and it will be absolutely sickening. I can’t see us buying the player/s we need this summer (a Silva, a Benzema) who would be the catalyst for a rejuvinated challenge on all fronts next season. I can see us trying to scrape by with players who are too old (Scholes, Giggs) or not good enough (Owen, Diouf) as our “impact” players while our rivals strengthen their squads.
Balaji: any team other then barecelona – or bayern!
Agree totally with comments on Carrick and was thinking exactly the same while watching the game. He got needlessly caught in possession which eventually lead to the corner which Robben scored from.
Have to disagree on Rafa – he’s young and inexperienced and I would hate to see last night having a negative impact on the player’s career. i think he’s is one of the most exciting youngsters we have atthe minute and hopefully he has learnt a valuable lesson.
Don’t think Gary Neville is in any place to critcise Rafa. In fact I think Neville should shoulder a lot of the blame for our exit. His silly handball let Bayern back into the game in Germany which ultimately cost us the tie.
aaaaaaaa…. the morning after does not make it any bit better!
sorry for the wrong update, Man Utd won 3-1 with Rafael around. the true a**hole is Ribery. Can’t play against a 19 years old so use a dirty cheap trick to sent off Rafael
Blaming Phelan is fucking ridiculous, it is up to SAF who he chooses to have as his number 2! Not a single person in this forum would have any idea on the impact Phelan does or doesnt have on the team!
1st internet article i’ve read today that looks at the english contingent early KO in the cl with some common sense:
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a13279_why-manchester-united-arsenal-can-hope-brighter-champions-league-future
@ZALEE – what dirty tricks? It was Rafael who made the blatent bookable foul… United players would have done the same, I 100% guarantee that
This is what I feel – http://unitedarmy.info/w/?p=3
We will never die!
@Tony Starks – Actually, United players didn’t do it when Van Bommel made a bookable foul when he was on a yellow card.
The more I watch the Rafael tug on Ribery, the more inoccuous it looks. The contact barely affects Quasimodo, who even has time to barge Rafael back then decides to stop running, turns round to the referee and asks him to book Rafael! The Hunchback knew exactly what he was doing. He’s a Grade A cunt.
unitedzz, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Mike Phelan would be the first man to say he isnt the best coach in the world, but Fergie wouldnt keep him around if he didnt think he could cut it. Fergie is the one more than anyone that knows what a good coach has to bring to the table, after working with Kiddo and Carlos. The book stops with Fergie, so any criticisms you aim at Phelan are also being aimed at Fergie, whether you think so or not. If you say Phelan clearly isnt good enough, then you are saying that its Fergies fault for not sorting that.
The bottom line is that if we had of kept 11 men on last night, we would have won comfortably, and more than likey gone through to the final. The ones laughing louder than anyone last night were Barca. While I doubt they’d admit to fearing us, they would realise that we were the biggest threat to their crown.
Last night was a classic European game, with more emotion for me than any game I can remember for a long time. We came out on the wrong side, and were unfortunate, but lets not over analise it too much or over react. I feel better this morning than I did last Wednesday morning, or last Saturday afternoon.
Tony Starks – Yes it was stupid mate, but lets see if it’s applied in every match if you make two fouls, you get two Yellow cards. I heard Blatter and Platini cracked open the bubbly when they heard the result.
Baby Face Assassin @ 7:50: “Guys who do you think United should sign next season ?”
It’s a bit early for that – there are still five key games to win to have a chance to win the glorious 19th.
perkythered @ 11:54: “We lost it not at OT but at the Allianz.”
YES but we really “lost it” by not controlling Ivica Olic – his goals were absolutely pivotal in changing the result/momentum in both legs.
Denton, I would like
Lloris
Krasic
http://www.zappinternet.com/video/sidPquHjoC/Lololololol
What an emotionally draining evening that was!Thought Rafa was man of the match int he first half,can’t understand why ribery wasn’t booked for his reaction to Rafa pulling at him,he was way from the ball and having a go at him!
Did anyone see the German lady/man reporter before the game?We couldn’t work out!LOL!How many news crews were on the front lastnight?We got interviewed by 3 of them!CRAZY!
Think Carrick needs a rocket up his arse!Can anyone tell me where Possebon is at the moment?He should be in the middle if Carrick can’t be arsed at the moment.Rooney shouldn’t of started lastnight,Why wasn’t Park or Diouf on the bench lastnight?Would of brought Diouf on instead of Berba!He’s not one for running around putting the fear of god into defenders with his pace.Nice to see John O’Shea back on,brought a tear to my eye on the Stretford end singing his song!
Broadly in agreement with Scott’s post mtach analysis.
Rooney should have been replaced at HT as he was clearly hindered his injury, especially after Bayern had aimed a few well placed kicks on his right leg/ankle. Great to see the confidence he brought to the team by his inclusion in the starting line up, but it was game over for Wayne after about 30 mins for me.
Michael Carrick was on the floor way too easily for Bayern’s first and whilst Robben’s “winner” was a great strike, our boys should know not to let him cut in on his left foot.
Whilst I agree with Scott that Raphael should never forget what he did, he should also move on and not let it affect his development adversely. He was having a storming night prior to that. Yes it was a foul, but a second yellow card offense? 9 times out of 10 no chance – even in Europe. But the Bayern players scented blood and swarmed the ref, ultimately influencing the decision and the course of the game.
Let’s keep our dignity in the closing games, even if we don’t add to the silverware for this campaign. Let’s give the Premier League title our best shot and at least bloody make sure that it all doesn’t end for us at the Wastelands – can you imagine how bad that’s gonna feel??!?!
One final thought. Whilst it’s galling to exit Europe in this way, I haven’t seen enough from the boys this season to convince me that they could live with the currrent Barca team and I certainly think they would wipe the floor with Bayern Munich. That said, I’ll be truly sickened if Mourhinho manages somehow to outwit his old club (again) because I reckon Fergie has his number. All academic now, anyway.
Balaji @ 11:55: “As for the core mid-field, Andersen and Hargreaves have been out for a long time but will come back.”
I sure hope so – Anderson has HUGE potential which – as with Fletcherinho and Nani – is slowly coming to the fore; Hargreaves is a quality terrier when fit but will that ever happen ?
@fred
i totally and completely forget that city would also be spending big this summer as well, esp if they get the 4th cl spot.
Which big (star) players are actually likely to be sold/available this summer in theory – ribery, villa, silva and aguero might likely with perhaps benzema, huguain, gerrard, torres, fabregas and pato depending what goes down at their respective clubs.
If all of the above are sold i’ll predict right now that they’ll get divided up between city, chelsea, rm and barca (though i can’t see barca buying more than one of the above even if they do buy as their front youth such as bojan looks really good for them)
Hopefully to an extent chelsea and city (and perhaps liverpool) will be so focused on the above stars that they’ll forget about the talent already in our league such as rodwell and leave us and arsenal to that.
on the bright side in terms of european leagues at least the pl teams main problems are the debts to individual teams which is better than the italian and spanish league problems (both leagues also have sizeable debts in some of their clubs and the italian football is (slightly) corrupt (most managers who have coached in both leagues has said our league is better – mourinho the most recent) and if teams like athetico and valencia are forced to sell their best players over the summer then the gap between the top 2 and 3rd (21pts) and 4th (29pts) would surely increase – wouldn’t be surprised if barca and rm both get 100+pts next season, basically even though the top 2 in spain are probably going to thrive with and above the best of europe, their league as a whole is dying from their individuality as many internet articles have points out in the last month. Plus if as i mentioned before if fulham, who will end their pl season at the bottom of 1st half of the pl table at best can when win the uefa cup i don’t think anyone could say the pl as a whole is a weak league – esp as no countries league this season seems to be dominating either the cl or uefa comp – for the first time in ages there is no dominant league in europe (though barca are a pretty dominant team granted right now) and for the neutral the variety of european leagues represented in these comps and no dominance by a single league can only be a good thing long term – those here’s hoping that with that variety utd are still up there every yr regardless of which other teams are also up there (hopefully rotating) each season from now.
Zaddu @ 12: 49: “Denton, I would like Lloris [and] Krasic”
Lloris looks pretty good; but I’m not convinced about Krasic – and, besides, what’s needed above all is another tiger in midfield.
As I’ve written many times, Daniele De Rossi of Roma would be fan-fucking-tastic but he’s getting too old and won’t leave Rome for Manchester (would you ?).
I think that Gibinho, Anderson and Corry Evans and, down the line, Paul Pogba give UTD lots of room for improvement in the middle to play alongside Fletcherinho.
Even if Hargreaves makes a miraculous comeback he’s already 29 (like Carrick) and so a short-term solution.
Scott yoy are correct in your assessment perhaps a tad harsh on Rafael. Bayern targeted him from the start as a weak link.
The bottom line is 3-0 up you close the game down and play tight. Giving it away was criminal. I still do not know what went wrong. You can put the blame on Carrick or Wayne staying in the pitch the fact is at 3-0 up in the quarter finals of the Champions League the game is over.
On the bad aspects of the game I would not single out any player. I think the lads we had on the pitch did their best. Yesterday was a game for a full squad not a depleted side. The game needed Wes Brown, Owen Hargreaves from the start and Anderson to replace a very quiet Gibbson in the second half.
I would single out the crowd performance in the second half. Poor and miserable. Just when the lads neede us the most the prawn sandwiches could not muster a bit of noise. I was at the Stretford End trying to rally everybody around me all the time. I do not know how we can allow 3000 Germans make more noise inside Old Trafford than all of us. In the end I Ilost my voice and my heart.
I am gutted.
Sorry lads but we did not help the team yesterday.
Being young does not absolve one from criticism, instead it is even more important to let them know they made a mistake and let them know the they need to stand up and be counted. Scott is right about Rafael needing to be reprimended, it may be old school style, but Sir Alex is an old school master isn’t he?
Rafael, be man enough to stand out and know you let the team down, and grow into the full back we all believe you can, period.
Last 5 games to go, no more blaming games, give it all we’ve got, United all the way~!
There’ll be “no value”™ in the transfer market this summer.
Sell saf, bring back big Ron.
Marq, you think Rafael doesn’t regret his mistakes last night? I don’t think he needs Gary Neville to slap him about FFS.
Denton, I wouldnt buy De Rossi because he is Italian and they generally dont travel well..plus if he left Roma their fans would probably end up killing him and his family in a “if we cant have you,no-one can” kind of way.
What do you think of Eden Hazard of Lille?
I hate the french rubberface cheat, 2 faced tw^t,
, did someone change his comb for a hot iron..
Just because he was hassled all night he had a little tantrum in front of the ref, and got his own way, upto the booking the ref seemed to let play go especially when rubber face was rolling around in the first half(trying to cheat), and then it changed when we where 3 up?!? So why all of a sudden was he was blowing for ever challange and some of the claimed fouls we not fouls which winds players up.
it’s true that in ALL cup competitions cheats prosper, esp henry against ireland.
The knobs(platini& twa5t) running the show are currupt as the italian league was a few years ago when AC got thrown out, then let back in and won it, never in a million years would an english team get this.. I think it’s time to fire all the refs and get the video technology in, that way things like cheater henry get sent off – 2 match ban and the goal disallowed, we can’t rely on inept and inconsistant ref-ing
I havent read through all the responses so apologies if I’m repeating stuff here.
Plus points (and there were many) from last night:
Nani – just keep playing him. Left or right. The kid’s a talent and has now surely deserved a regular run in the team.
Gibbo – came of age last night. I’ve had my doubts but he was immense with his box-to-box work, tackling and clear goal threat.
Rafael – silly sod for getting sent off but is showing real potential as our long-term right back.
In my mind, that gives us replacements for Giggs, Scholes and Nev.
Negatives:
Carrick – sorry guys but in the big big games he’s just too slow and ponderous on the ball. In his defence however where the f**k were Rio and Vidic when Bayern attacked for their 1st goal? At least he tried to get back.
Fergie – I know, don’t have a go at me, but why play Rooney 2nd half, why keep Rafael on when he’s been booked and the game is won, why bring Berba and Giggs at a time when we need energy?
Just my thoughts. This one is hurting though….
Diarra of Real Madrid anyone???
I can understand people being disappointed but to blame SAF and say he must go is ridiculous and really pathetic. Cant believe how low some fans can stoop.
And please lets top blaming young rafael. he is young and a fantastic talent. he WILL make it big. He was almost in tears last night knowing how costly it could be. I just hope the lad bounces back. The way he kept ribery in his pocket was excellent. no wonder ribery was on fire in the 2nd half after rafael was sent off.
Sounds more like Diarrhea of the mouth.
Well Fred, rather than presume Rafael knows his mistake, let’s say it would be safer to have somebody tell him that. After all, he is still young, and youngsters need mentors, who better to do the job than Neville and Sir Alex, albeit the old school method? Or would you prefer the Wenger method of trying not to see things and presume things will be ok?
Maybe the slapping part from Scott was somewhat over the line, but Rafael do need to grow up fast, as we all know Neville is past his expiry date and as well as Brown and O’Shea has done a good job there, we need a solid natural right back there sooner rather than later.
@zaddu
this isnt fantasy football and i dont want to see anyone of those facists at United. Lloris is a good choice but i would prefer Manuel Neuer. We have good wingers, we dont need Krasic
@willierednut – sorry didn’t really want to dwell on this but they way I see it, it’s irrelevent how many fouls you make. If something is a yellow card it’s a yellow card. sometimes a player makes just one foul and he’s off for red…
anyway… man! never thought I’d be this dissapointed to be out! from3-0…. man wish the next game was today… o it is! come on the reserves!
AIG, don’t be daft. What Rafael needs is for that renowned hardman Gary Neville to give him a few slaps.
I think Scotts comments that Nev should slap Rafael werent to be taken literally lads, it was just trying to explain the frustration we all felt when he got his second booking.
As for your comment Giggs11Gerrard0, I know what you mean when you talk about going shit for a while. I know its not something you want to see, but some of our fans have their heads stuck up their own holes, like they’re playing Premiership Manager every week and the club is something that can be chopped and changed with the next result in mind (fergie should go, this lad is crap, we should buy him and him and sell him and him blah blah), and abandon all sense of history, or of what the club is all about, and it sickens me.
Thats the main reason I dont come on here half as much as I used to – alot of the posters are living in a dream world, and alot are only ‘supporting’ the club the last few years and have no idea of what its like to not win anthing for a while, or to support the club through those times. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some opinions on here are mind boggling. And theres a line that sometimes gets crossed, and instead of being a United supporter, some are just people with an interest in United – big difference.
Im not saying that you cant critisise players or the club, but theres alot of posters on here need to cop on, and get back to reality.
@Fred
he will learn. No need to give him a slap or two. What rafael needs is a good talk from one of the seniors to comfort him and make him feel better.Lets not forget Neville’s stupid and unwanted handball that got bayern back in the tie last week.
Why is everyone blaming Rafael?! I’m not saying blame him cos he has been solid for us so many times but VDS really shouldn’t have let in Olic’s goal. Just how did that go in
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1264455/Theo-Walcott-blasted-Sky-Sports-face-football-didnt-know-microphone-on.html#ixzz0kVigEHU6
hahahahahahaha
Tony Starks – Yeah, i can’t believe after being 3 up we didn’t go through, but i would back us to get back to the final next year. On young Rafa, he was naive, no doubt about that but Rio and Vida have made mistakes this season and there experienced defenders.
@AIG – I was joking, mate. Good point about Neville’s part in our defeat in Munich. Maybe Paul Parker should have come into Carrinton the next day and given Nev a slap or two.
@Fred
Oops. Sorry mate. Didnt get that. Frustrating actually that bayern only scored once properly. The rest of the goals were gifted to them. Not the characteristic of a United team known to defend very well
We lost the battle over 2 legs, but lessons have been learnt. For one, we should never be complacent, as we did often during the season.
And I believe that our Sir Alex Ferguson must consider how to use the players best. I think Berbatov must be quite frustrated as he is simply not starting the real games. I support him as a player, in fact that’s how I became a Man Utd fan after seeing him play, but it must be crushing to him every time he finds himself not starting the big matches, and I am of the belief that if he could play in 4-4-2 long enough with the rest of the team, he can establish himself back again. As of now he must be frustrated that he isn’t getting his form. Who could?
Carrick is lacking something too. I do not know what it is bothering him, but he seems regressing, a terrible surprise. I hope that he gets his motivation back.
And let’s give the youngsters credit. They gave Bayern a hell of a game. Powerful stuff. Who knew Nani had it in him? Who knew Valencia will be a huge part of our game? Who knew Rooney has got what it takes to be at the very top?
At the start of the season, people looked down on us, and the whole world seemed to conspire against us, whether be it dodgy decisions, injury hell or the general sentiment that our time at the top is up with the departure of 2 important players. To be here still challenging for trophies, and we are within Chelsea’s range, I am generally impressed with our squad. If anything, the rest of the world should be ready for we will strike back next season. Remember the lean years and remember that we are going to be stronger.
I suppose everyone is trying to find the reason to why we went out, but we are supporters at the end of the day so we should show support when the team is going to be down, we have always had a never die attitude in support and it should continue, we can’t just follow and gloat when we win, we have to take defeat gracefully even though it hurts like F***, I’ve followed united since we signed Bryan Robson(captain marvel) & remi moses from westbrom and we didn’t get much in those days but you still support, there where days when I got ribbed by dippers, but our time has come and still here. Stop the knee jerk reactions fergie has the desire and passion to put this right he always does, so take heed. I remember the so called united fans shouting “fergie out” before we went on to win the fa cup, and what have we won since and remember that it doesn’t get any better than Sir Alex. Ask any players that, except beckham and RVN. Come on chaps, we going to be needed more than ever in the next few weeks. SHOW SUPPORT.
@”Dimitar Berbatov is King” – for the love of God, isn’t it time you changed your name?
@Fabio – Actually, Becks has said on many occasions he still considers Ferguson the best manager in the world.
@Fred: Not until he leaves the club, thank you very much.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row
Indeed mate, a bad week granted but lets take stock of what we have acheieved in recent times and understand we cant win it all.
Fans tearing the club apart from Phelan, to SAF, and all the players we want to buy is ridiculous. Far too many fans here talk about players they have never seen other than on champ manager?
were certain players to blame for last nigh? Of course there were and unfortunately for them that is the nature of the beast but it doesnt mean we are finished!
Too many people take the media’s enforsed opinion as gospel and then just regurgatate it on forums and that is when it winds me up.
Posters talking players from Lille, Lyon etc on the back of a big european night is a joke.
We play Blackburn on Sunday with a chance to go back to the top of the table, then that really does put pressure on Chels. Then if we manage to do City in their own manor even better knowing Chels have to go to Spurs the day after.
If we win the league the same posters will be hailing all that is correct with us yet not understanding they are typical journo rent boys being spoon fed the drivel they place on here!
Well, I think we should be aware that rafael was very good when he played, but he is young and learning. And sell Berbatov!!!!
@giggs11gerrard0: Couldn’t agree more. Chelsea can trip. No one expected them to trip at Blackburn, remember? But they did. They smashed Aston Villa 7-1, and only won by an offside goal against us. Come on, I am sure there will be teams able to trip them up.
And remember the times when it was liverpool’s year? I am glad on where we stand. Granted, it would be nice to see us in the semis of the CL, and we could be in a more commanding position, but it’s never our right to win. We have to earn that right.
So its up to the lads to bring up their game, show them the Man Utd way that we will never die.
@King Dimi, you might not have long to wait then.
I was pleased when we signed Carrick as I think he is a decent player. But this season, for me, he has been shit. Too many square balls and short back passes in dangerous areas have cost us. He was at fault for Liverpool’s opener at Old Trafford for dithering and was massively responsible for allowing Bayern back into the game when we was in total control. He has made a habit of that, he seems to think that he has the freedom when he is in the centre of midfield and because of that, he is continuously caught in possession. All he had to do yesterday was put that fucking ball into row z, but instead played a shit ball back to VDS and Olic pounced. I would have taken him off at half-time along with Rooney (protection purposes of course) and brought on Macheda and Berbatov. So even with the subsequent sending off, we would have still had a focal point with a large portion of the game remaining. I said to my mate, all we had to do was to hold out until half-time without conceding. Rafael’s sending off was fucking stupid and I have no sympathy for him. His first yellow was due to his kick at Van Bommel, reminiscent of Beckhams kick at Simeone at France ’98. And because of that, he was walking a bleedin tight rope. And because of that yellow card, from a position of control over Ribery, he lost his way and eventually received a second yellow and walked. He needs to grow up and I hope Neville has a word with him, because he showed last night that he has the potential to be a world class right-back. He was extremely unlucky not to score, although if I was slightly critical, I would have preferred it if he squared Rooney for an easy tap in, nevertheless he did well before his sending off. Nani was superb last night and he is at last showing the form of a player that made me extremely pleased to see us sign him back in the summer of 2007. Hope he keeps up the good work.
giggs11gerrard0 – hello mate.Great posts. Certainly do regurgitate what the cunts in the media tell them. The best comment is like you said people saying sign so and so from Lyon after ONE good performance. I would almost like to see us do shit for a season or so to seperate the proper fans from the glory cunts just like you stated. I bet my fucking house the fan numbers would dwindle.
zaddu – Sack Fergie and get Jose? Get a fucking grip son.
Whats this “di” about the dippers spending big? No chance pal they will be flogging the ladyboy come June.
Still gutted. Its harder to take than getting hammered 3-0. The fact we were 3 up. Still having nightmares about Ribery. What a horrible, aggressive little cunt. No wonder he has had about 21 clubs. And don’t get me started on the bald chelsea rentboy. aarrggg.
Anyway time to get on with the league now. IF we were to win that imagine how we would feel? 4 on the spin and number 19 is much more important to me than Europe. It is also very possible we could do it. Time for Pat to get a rest now with Sheasy back.
I see every paper is ripping us to shreds and saying we need a full rebuild again. Oh do fuck off.
As I watched Nani – easily our best player last night – tear Bayern to pieces, I thought about how certain United fans I know used to hate his guts and slag him off at every opportunity.
Those kind of people are what I like to call “know-nothing cunts.”
Nani, you did us proud last night.
In fairness I thought Rafael was having a superb game prior to his sending off but I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking I wish he’d hurry up and leave the pitch – we could have done with that extra minute he took.
… I wonder how many times people nee to say ‘rafael is young and learning’… no really?
@Fred, I hope you are wrong then.
North Stand – Some belting posts mate. Agree with every word you say. I have also been thinking of having a breather from here for a while. I just find myself getting wound up now. Oh to go back to the 80′s where you lost a game, got on with it then welcomed the next one. No Blogs, forums, championship managers, debates, etc. full of fucking clowns.
Alan Brazil was blaming big Edwin for Bayern’s first goal and that other twat Irani said Fletch went missing.
…. I so so hope Berba and Macheda start against Blackburn, go on fergie, you know the kid has the quality!
@King Eric
How we doing mate!
I am glad you agree mate, I try not to attack peoples opinions but this site is just rife with clowns! I cant read shit about sacking SAF or players from Lille, its that disgraceful its not even funny!
I am proper wounded going out after such a great performance from the lads! We actually won 3-2 having played 40 minutes with ten men! Its cruel when a 2-1 scoreline is better than 3-2
Like you say mate, write us of at your own peril, let the media have their usual wank fest of how Fergie got it wrong, and then let all the clowns just copy and paste it onto ROM.
In true Keegan fashion
I would love it, if we win the title this year!
@bchilds – yes, he pulled that same shit last time he got sent off. Eventually Neville had to practically push him off the pitch! (Thankfully no slaps though. – sorry, couldn’t resist.)
@Tony Stark – I agree about that front two for Blackburn.
Dimitar Berbatov is King….”Who knew Rooney has got what it takes to be at the very top”? Are you shitting me?
You say you started supporting United because of Berbatov, which means thats just under two years ago…are you seriously telling me that you didnt think Rooney had a chance of making it to the top back then? Or do you mean since he broke onto the scene? Let me try get my head round this….
At 16 with Everton, he was the most promising player in England since sliced bread, built like a brick shithouse. At 17 he was Englands one and only hope at the 2004 Euro Championships, and when he got injured in that tournament, England were clueless. He’s led Englands attack since, and from his Everton days and since he joined United for 25 million odd he has always had the look of a chap that would exactly make it all the way to the top?
Im baffled…but at least your comments are making the day pass by that bit quicker, so cheers I suppose?
i think we should replace carrick with someone who has more ability of ballkeeping. and imho rafa was briliant, kept fuckn riberry quiet for 50 min.
DIE YOU ROBBEN!! WHAT AN ARSE!!
Dimi is King – Sir Alex must have thought Rooney was gonna become a top player, after all he did pay up to 30 million for him.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row…
I started watching football because of Berbatov. He impressed me a lot when I was brought along to watch the Carling Cup final between Chelsea and Spurs. And when he signed for Man Utd I started following Man Utd seriously, and started to appreciate the history of the club and what it stands for. So you will forgive me when I say I didn’t really know much about Rooney back then, only snippets from some Man Utd fans.
I have read up on his potential, but the 2006 World Cup incident (I do watch the World Cup back then) made me felt that Rooney might not have the temper to succeed in the very top. Of course, one can say that he is so very young, but back then he gave the distinct impression of not being able to channel his energy.
However, while I expected Rooney to step up and lead our charge this season, never did I expect that he will do it this well and with aplomb. I expected around 25 goals from him but with the rest of the team contributing, and certainly with Berbatov and Owen in I expected a lot from them too. But Rooney went on such an impressive strike and he is scoring alot with his head, something that was not part of his strong suite back then. He impressed me for he became a more complete player, and showed that he can do a job at the very top.
@Dimitar Berbatov is King
He’s a nice guy but I’m sorry to tell you but it’s over for him at Old Trafford. SAF preferred to risk an injured Rooney rather than play a fully-fit Dimi last night. Then he preferred the pace and energy of Nani to lead the line when we went down to 10 men. Dimi only got on with 10 minutes left and I don’t remember him getting a single touch of the ball.
There’s a chance he might stay as back up to Rooney, but really what good is he if Fergie doesn’t trust his ability to play the lone striker role in Rooney’s absence? That’s why I think Fergie will try to get as much of that £31m back as he can before Berbie gets any older.
He’s a classy player but he doesn’t suit our style, nor does he have a strong enough mentality for United.
@fred; o.k so, everyone loves sir alex ferguson:), but the point is he still the best manager on the planet by a mile and has the desire and drive to pick us back up, remember that he’s his biggest critic and he knows best how to do something about it.
Berbatov = Veron
Very classy footballers that any team would have bought just dont fit into the United fabric.
Veron caused the same divide between fans because of his brilliance one week and then no show the next! Sparying passes with the outside of his foot over 30 yards then hitting a free kick into the top tier of the East stand!
Personally I don’t want to see Berba leaving. The guy has a lot of potential. He’s always been the same player as he was at Spurs. So we should (and we did) know what we would get when we bought him. For me I like his playing style, he reminds me of the great king Cantona (only without the sting
) But he can be dangerous if he plays behind the 2 strikers. I kind of like this role so at least he doesnt have to sprint forward when he clearly to slow to do that.
I hardly believe Sir Alex would ditch him next season (unless if he has to due to a financial reason). I think we will buy another striker (which I’m hoping it won’t be Dzeko) and try to play him behind Rooney and (insert your favorite striker but Dzeko).
The only one that I don’t want to see playing for the rest of the season is Carrick. Let him sort out whatever it’s in his head and weather or not he still wants to play for United. And let Hargo rests this season and come back fresh next season.
Dimitar Berbatov Farewell Tour 2010:
Sunday, 11 April 2010
Ewood Park, Hicksville
Blackburn v Man Utd, 13:30
Saturday, 17 April 2010
City of Manchester Stadium, Wastelands
Man City v Man Utd, 12:45 (Big game, he won’t play in that)
Saturday, 24 April 2010
Old Trafford, Manchester
Man Utd v Tottenham, 12:45 (might not play in that either)
Saturday, 1 May 2010
Stadium of Shite, Sunderland
Sunderland v Man Utd, 15:00 (will probably play in this one)
Sunday, 9 May 2010
Old Trafford, Manchester
Man Utd v Stoke, 15:00 (Berbatov’s last ever game for United)
Right lads, SSN are saying we’ve signed a striker called Hernandez, apparently he Mexican and saf horse won at aintree.
@giggs11gerrard0 – don’t laugh but come to think of it, we could have done with Veron last night.
@RadLegion, I agree that Carrick might have played his last game this season, maybe even his last game for United.
According to United’s website, he’s scored 21 goals from 28 starts, albeit in the Mexican league.
Visting various football blogs and reading the letters on Fotball365. it’s clearly a big day for ABU’s with Fergie bashing their favourite means of attack. I can take that from them …. they haven’t had that many opportunities in the last two decades …. But I really hate seeing it on here.
giggs11gerrard0 ….. I know we disagree re our owners but boy are you bang on with your posts.
Good man Fred, that made me laugh – not that I 100% agree, but it is quite possible that we might have seen the end of Berbatov.
Berbatov is King – fair enough, whatever way you want to see it regarding Rooney. I wasnt having a go, merely baffled!!!
So who dragged you to that cup final? And I suppose I have to ask, if Berbatov does leave this summer, would you start to support his new team?
@Fred
Only because Carrick was so shit though! lol
Check this out!
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BF9E570E6%2D407E%2D44BC%2D800F%2D4A3110258114%7D&newsid=6647972
Willie Red, just came on to post that – good work! Another young striker…Anyone get the feeling we wont be buying a striker in the summer!!
Yes, lets blame Rafael. A 19 year old, quality young full back who made a silly mistake. Lets not blame Gary Neville for his stupid handball in the first leg or Evra for his messing around for their second goal in the first leg or Carrick for the two goals last night. lets blame Rafael. Way to support our young players! Lets put all the blame on his shoulders. (/sarcasm). I am not blaming anyone. We are Manchester United and we lose as a team!
I thought Rafael, along with Nani was excellent.
I will say one thing, that time when Rafael ran from one half to the other which started with a tackle and nearly ended in a wondered goal was more running than Berbatov has done in two years for us! And the reaction from the crowd when Berbatov came on said it all. Hardly a thunderous reception like it would have been had it been certain other forwards because no one expected him to do anything! The fact that Fergie started a half fit Rooney over him said it all
Welcome to Old Trafford Chicharito!!!!
Here’s the letter I sent to Fooball365 … Don’t expect it will be posted!
As a United supporter, I knew today I was in for some stick! A team that has won as much as we have builds up a lot of resentment and over the last few years we haven’t given ABU’s much to cheer about. But the fact is last night hurts and as much as I know if it were Everton or Fulhum who were knocked out of Europe on away goals having taken the game to the Germans, scoring three great goals in the first 40 mins and having a soft sending off after 55 mins, there would have been some sympathy in the media …. MUFC and their supporters get none and deserve done.
Why? Because we don’t need any. We’ve had unprecedented success over the last couple of decades, score more than our fair share of last minute goals and have the biggest fan base in the world. So no-one’s going to mention Bayern’s good fortune scoring with the last kick of the game in the first leg or that Ribery exaggerated the contact Rafeal made on him and then bullied the ref to get him sent off or that the German Champions looked like Portsmouth for the first 40 mins. No. They will pick on Fergie’s comment about the cheating Germans (despite the fact that if it was England they would have said the same thing) and second guess his tactics with the ease of hindsight.
They have the right and they deserve the chance to ridicule United because … yes …. Fergie’s is a bad loser, he absolutes hates losing and that’s a big part of what makes him the serial winner he and his United have been for the last two decades.
So next season we will have Owen, Rooney, Berbatov, Hernandez, Diouf, Macheda, Welbeck
Something’s got to give!
Looks like Villa wont be coming then
HERNANDEZ !!
CHICARITO IS HERE!
VIVA CHICARITO!!!!
I wonder if he’ll wear the number 9 shirt?
Seen enough of Carrick and fucking `Berba` to last me a lifetime. Tottenham must be laughing all the way to the bank collecting on these two. Never manchester united players. Enough please.
RE: Sayyid.
I don’t think Berbatov will be here next season.
Sayyid – Two things, you’re right we’ll be over loaded up front, but at least we’ll have options. David Villa was never a likely target at that price.
Davey Mack, F365 is run by Arsenal fans. It’s one of the most ABU websites out there.
But never mind that now…
ALL HAIL CHICHARITO THE KING
The King is dead, long live the King!
@Sayyid – Agreed, 2 of those will have to go. Welbeck and Diouf out on Loan next season?
Hopefully Hernandez will be going to the World cup so we can take a closer look there.
Anyone else think the timing in which this was announced is significant? Maybe a ‘pick me up’ following last night?
Cue the youtube highlights that will make him appear to be better than Messi!
Twitter is going crazy with this incredible news:
“woke up to the news that Javier ‘Chicharito’ Hernandez will be signed with Manchester United!! So proud of him!!!!”
“Yep I think it is true!! Chicharito is going to ManU”
“WTF Manchester United signed EL Chicharito”
This has rocked the football world!
@The Shankill Skinhead
to be fair Carrick has been class for two seasons, up to last year’s CL final
the penalty miss at Burnley was a disgrace
he cannot control a match any more, or play through balls. Just sideways and back. At least Gibson would score at least 12 goals a season if he played the amt of games Carrick does
i gotta tell you throughout this week i just realize how much i love watching United! yes, the game broke my soul last night, yes, it was tough seeing the lads being tired against the West London douchebags, but although i was gutted, i kept thinking about what an amazing team we have and have had over the years… so now it’s the time to look up and on – we are still at the top of football and some MINOR adjustments this summer will do us well…
one thing that has been on my mind so a while is getting one/more of the lads to be the next Paul Scholes. my favorite player of all times, been watching him since Day 1.. the maestro that the more you play and understand this game, the more you see his legendary value… maybe Darren Fletcher FG can be it!
that’s all i wanted to see. felt phisically sick yesterday, but a full game outdoors game last night and looking at this in perspective has been a lot of help…
say (not see)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
Boy wonder ?
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row: No worries, just letting you know. I was there because a friend of mine was going to enlist in the army (I am Singaporean) and he asked me to go. Couldn’t say no, and I was glad I didn’t. I will continue to support him as a player, but I will be here because the history of the club. I was also fortunate enough to be at Old Trafford before during the summer of 2006 for a study trip (back when I know little on football, but still appreciated the history of the club as a neutral). Will give a lot to go again. Just being in the stadium was electrifying.
giggs11gerrard0: Veron’s classy no doubt. I really hope it works out for Berbatov and he doesn’t leave because he is a really good player in my humble opinion.
But let’s face it, Berbatov aside, our squad has looked a little out of sorts in recent games. If anything else, we must get our act together for the last 5 matches and pray that the footballing gods pull a trick on those aging legs on the rentboys.
@Fred
he could be another Forlan
if we buy South American players, then we must play them week in week out like Valencia to get the best out of them
lets not rush to conclusions about this guy but with Owen’s injuries, Diouf/Macheda/Welbeck all way behind Rooney, lets hope he’s the real deal
Yes Sayyid you hit the nail on the head mate. Carrick would find it hard to control a pushbike to be honest. He looks fine in a good team when things are going well but the man who`s shirt number he took really is everything he is not.
Oh, welcome to Old Trafford, Chicharito.
Question…has anyone seen him in action? I know I haven’t.
VIVA HERNANDEZ
VIVA HERNANDEZ
WE DON’T NEED BENZEMO
WE’VE GOT CHICHARITO
VIVA HERNANDEZ
Fred … I hear what you say about Football365 … Don’t know why I go back there but on days like this sometimes it feels like you just want to get all the shit out of the way so you can begin to move on!!
giggs11 … your Kegan line holds so true…. “I would just love it if we won the league this year” … Odds are against it ….. so you never know. Being 4 in a row and 19 and comming after this …it may just be the best yet.
@Dimitar Berbatov is King – I haven’t either but I know he’s better than Berbatov
Unlike most of the posters here my mood went from bad to worse.
i don’t know how i would survive the summer. i am wondering how is suhayl.
I hate to say it AGAIN on here, but, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PURPOSE OF BERBAFLOP? When SAF wont even play him, even though it meant playing WITHOUT a striker what does THAT tell us? ANOTHER bad buy from SAF. Why the fuck doesnt he just admit defeat and sell the cnut. Nani was twice the striker Berbaflop will ever be last night. And you know what THAT makes us dont you? yes, a ONE MAN TEAM. Even poor wazza couldnt produce the goods last night , but no fuckin wonder. he was STILL injured FFS. GREAT move Fergie, must be on a par with NOT buying TEVEZ eh? What a plonker.At least he has realised that Dads Armys time is up with Gibbo Valencia and even Rapheal proving that they should be played on a regular basis despite the end result.
Fergies been great for us, but FFS he should go NOW before he fucks everything up.
(Wazza will now be out for the Derby tks to him, and you KNOW that TEVEZ will rip us apart)NICE ONE Fergie.
You wanted a striker you got one. You didn’t get a Villa or Aguero like a lot of people on here are having a boner about all the time. We’ll see how good this guy is. We’ve signed a defender and a striker but the position that needs addressing has been ignored so far lets hope the cheque book comes out one more time for that defensive midfielder we desperately need.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
Javier Hernandez, fred lol.
@Sayyid
I hope so, Forlan is class!
I’m not jumping to any conclusions but I predict this guy will win the golden boot at the World Cup, and the European golden boot and Ballon d’Or next season as he fires us to the Treble!
HALLELUJAH! PRAISE CHICHARITO!
@middyred
drink a few hard ones, my friend!!! sorry to tell you but you know NOTHING!
Viva Hernandez, Viva Hernandez…Came from Mexico, We call him Chicharito, Viva Hernadez!!!
or
Viva Hernandez, Viva Hernandez…They call him Chicharito, What it means we dont know, Viva Hernadez!!!
or
Viva Hernandez, Viva Hernandez…He’s all we can afford, til we sack the whole board, Viva Hernadez?
“Fergies been great for us, but FFS he should go NOW before he fucks everything up.
(Wazza will now be out for the Derby tks to him, and you KNOW that TEVEZ will rip us apart)NICE ONE Fergie.”
You fucking cunt, Fergie can do what the fuck he wants without being questioned. He’s earned the right.
If he decides to sell Rooney and play Ralph Milne up front, I’m not going to question him. This man has earned the right to never be fired. He’s brought us level with Liverpool on titles, something many thought was unachievable.
Fucking tosser.
middyred
would you just fuck off already..
- branding us a one man team
- disrespecting the great SAF
- throwing support towards city player
- —-||—— shit towards utd player
- ———–||————— scholes, giggs, neville – legends..
- suggesting that the biggest cunt in the game – tevez will rip us a part
again, fuck off you dirty scumbag
FUCK SAKE WHAT A NIGHT…..lucky the cops understood about the result etc..
Gone through 40 malboro reds since last night and now my throat is burning…no girlfriend to take it out on…damn fuckin shame…..
@Notorious – No, we didn’t get Villa or Aguero – we got both of them rolled into one, with a dash of Messi and a just hint of Dong Fangzhuo! Believe me, this boy is the real deal.
@Corea – fuck the European Cup, WE’VE GOT CHICHARITO!!!
middyred: Glory hunter much? Ferguson has given Old Trafford the ultimate service in this mercenary-filled world.
willierednut: He looks good, good awareness. Hope he can bring his form into the English game.
Fred: Come on…be nice.
Carrick’s had a bad season but he doesn’t deserve to go in my opinion. He played a huge part in our last 3 seasons so he can’t be useless. It fucks me off when people just think every problem is sold by just going ‘HE’S SHIT SELL HIM BUY X Y AND Z AND WE WILL WIN FOR SURE’. If that was the case we would have sold Nani and Fletcher a long time ago. We have a manager who is capable of turning anyones career around who has talent. Carrick and Berbatov definitely have talent as we’ve all seen it, so if anyone can get them back on track it’s Sir Alex.
As regards to our striker overload, I think at least one of: Macheda, Welbeck and Hernandez will need to be on loan.
As far as the result last night, I got over it pretty quickly. I was not even close to being as upset as I was after Chelsea or Bayern away because we didn’t even give an account of ourselves there. We played our fucking hearts out yesterday, every single player (and I include Carrick in that, he may not have had a good game but he was trying his fucking heart out, you see the reverse angle of Robbens goal? He was the first one charging out and trying to get a block on that shot. Thats why I value him as a United player, he may not have played that well recently yeah. But over the past 4 years he has been MASSIVE for us, played more than any of our other midfielders and he clearly loves United, something you can never guarantee with one of those replacements that people are so ready to offer.), we gave an account of ourselves yesterday. I’m not even angry with Rafael because he schooled one of the supposed best wingers in the world for 45 minutes, but he let the occaision get to him, I think he was too eager to make amends for missing that shot in the first half, Rooney screaming at him probably didn’t work. I have so much faith in Rafael.
As regards to Berbatov, I feel the same about him as I did about Nani at Christmas, I know he can turn it around. I’m desperate for him to be here next season and if we play 4-4-2 more with 2 centre mids of Hargreaves and Fletcher I think it would serve him really well in big games.
@North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row – class songs, mate.
Rumours suggest he cost £12m, can that be right? You’re not gonna believe this but “El Chicharito” means “The Little Pea”
See if you can incorporate that into a song for him. 
boogeman – Just ignore that wankstain he’s looking for attention.
@Fred: Why not the quad while you are at it? We did get the realistic chance only last season, what’s to say we can’t do it again?
@willierednut -love the vid. I cheered every goal like it was Ole at the Nou Camp. This is the greatest day of my life! HE’S HERE! HE’S REALLY HERE!
@Dimi the King – I didn’t want to go over the top or anything.
Fred – He’s called the little pea, hope it doesn’t too long to come out of his shell.
@ Fred
have you actually seen him play 90 minutes?
Lets see what he does at the World Cup
Remember Manucho, the new Adebayor!
Middyred, something tells me you aint a United fan, so I wont even bother responding. Nice try at a wind up though. Piss off.
just looking at Javier Hernandez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjg06sHnDwA
goal at 2 minutes in, sweet baby jesus its good
@ middyred .. fuck off and support Citeh then you twat
@middyred
go fuck off somewhere else u idiot
He’s so handsome too!
Picture of him with the shirt at OT!!!!! http://img.skysports.com/10/04/800×600/JavierHernandez_2440465.jpg
I think its fitting now that we signed our first Mexican player to celebrate the signing by drinking some tequila. Tequila is awsome, i also drank tequila last night to drown my sorrows.
I like so many on here am absolutely gutted…like someones died…but i dont know how to mourn yet.
In a way its easier to take when you get raped like arseholes did, that whay you have no excuses and can take it on the chin.
But the lads did us proud and 11 v 11 we would have won….not going to get too critical on individual players…but yes
Rooney gamble was correct
That shows SAF how much trust and faith he has in berbs..never been a hater nor a lover…always sat on the fence with him…but shows you can gloss it up all you like…lies damn lies and statistics…he just aint effective for us.
And Rafael…i agree with scott, sorry posters…i think he’s going to be awesome…i thought for 50 he was our best player, the kids hugely talented…but the naivety needs to be cut out, call the germans cheating bastards…or clever cunning typical krauts who played him. Maybe both. But we do know theyre the masters off it.
No need to retaliate with petulance with the 1st yellow…and like so many on here i predicted and said at HT, he’s goin to get a red, i kept saying to myself…hope SAF has words….hope SAF has words. And inevitably he did…yes soft yellow, yes germans crowded ref, yes they played him, yes ref was soft. BUT WHY TUG THE SCARFACE BACK, WHEN HE’S GOING NOWHERE AND WE HAVE 4 COVERING. And what the hek was he doing in centre mid?
This is the first time either
1. Went awol in carling cup final…lost his man agbonyouwhore…vidic lucky no red
2. Bellamy carling semi…caught out of position..pen
3. Carling cup…wolves red
4. San siro…went awol in the middle of the park, lost the ball…seedorf goal
Yep he’s young etc……but his brashness, over enthusiasm, gun ho ness needs to be slapped out off him asap….cos he’s clearly not learning from his mistakes
@Sayyid – 90 minutes? I’d not seen him play 90 seconds til 5 minutes ago.
Sometimes you just know.
@ Spencer
“I will say one thing, that time when Rafael ran from one half to the other which started with a tackle and nearly ended in a wondered goal was more running than Berbatov has done in two years for us! And the reaction from the crowd when Berbatov came on said it all. Hardly a thunderous reception like it would have been had it been certain other forwards because no one expected him to do anything!”
Pointless, pathetic, irrelevant, transparent agenda-driven bollocks.
Viva Hernandez, viva Hernandez… They call him ‘Little Pea’, why we signed another small unknown striker fucking beats me, viva Hernandez!!!
@Peter – have one for me, pal.
First Mexican to play for United, who’d've thunk it?
It’s no overstatement to say that this is the greatest day in the history of Mexico.
From Hernandez’s wikipedia page:
After the news had broke, Ferguson told the United website, “OMG this