No Van der Sar, no Nemanja Vidic, no Rio Ferdinand, no Jonny Evans, no John O’Shea, no Rafael, no Fabio, no Ryan Giggs, no Wayne Rooney, no Dimitar Berbatov, no Federico Macheda, no Owen Hargreaves.
Things weren’t looking good ahead of our trip to Germany.
After casting an eye over the ridiculous situation in defence, of Park at right back, Carrick and Fletcher as central defenders, without our first choice keeper Van der Sar in goal, and Evra as our only defender, you had to wonder how we were going to keep the goals out. With all the pre-match talk concerning Dzeko and how United were keen to sign him, it was natural to worry he would be up for having the game of his life against us.
The next concern was the bench, with Antonio Valencia the only player with any real experience. Where were the match winners if we needed them? Of course, nobody expected Federico Macheda to make the impact he did that day against Villa, but I’d still rather a Rooney or a Giggs on the bench, over the fantasy of a young nobody possibly making the difference.
Still, we have left Germany with our heads held high, knowing that despite missing so many players, we were still good enough to overthrow the German champions on their own soil.
There were a few early scares, it has to be noted. They had a couple of free headers in our box and should have done better with them. They also burst behind our back line before Michael Carrick slid in and should have conceded a penalty. Thankfully the ball changed direction and the referee believed that was due to Carrick’s challenge. It wasn’t.
As half-time approached, I was just relieved that the one point we needed was still in tact. Wolfsburg hadn’t looked too dangerous and we’d seen more of the ball. It was almost too good to be true when Michael Owen put us in front just before half time. He put great direction on the ball that had been delivered perfectly by Nani. The keeper had no chance and we could spend half time knowing they needed to score two goals to put our top spot finish in doubt.
When Dzeko evened the score, there was a slight panic. CSKA were still doing us a favour but I didn’t feel comfortable back at 1-1. They were becoming more and more desperate, putting the pressure on more and more, but credit to our ‘defence’. Tomasz Kuszcak made some great saves and looked totally competent between the sticks. Fletch put in some great tackles, as did Carrick, and Evra was his usual imposing self, maybe even more so with the surprise captaincy boosting his confidence.
Gabriel Obertan came on for Nani and made an instant impact. I love watching him run at players. With Obertan on one flank and Valencia on the other, two wingers who love to run at the defence, we’ll be looking the closest we have to Giggs-Kanchelskis in the early 90′s.
Obertan burst in to the box, lovely skills to beat his man, and rolled the ball across the goal mouth to present Owen with an unstoppable chance. That was top spot sealed but there was more to come. Owen’s best goal of the game was the third, as he raced almost half the length of the pitch before executing a lovely finish to put us 3-1 up. Full credit to him. These aren’t some nobodies in a nothing game. These are the champions of Germany, on their own ground, playing for their spot in the knock out stages of the Champions League. It was a massive night and Owen came up with the goods, again proving what an excellent decision it was by the manager (no matter how much I grumbled at the time!).
Whilst it’s easy to point to the three goals from Owen or the massive impact Obertan made after coming off the bench, I think the manager and his tactics need a mention. It’s not often we can salute to the manager for getting a tricky game in Europe totally right, but he totally nailed it yesterday, against all odds given the players he had to pick from.
All in all, a great result which should give us a favourable draw in the next round. We will definitely avoid Real Madrid and Bordeux, and could face Baynern Munich, AC Milan or Porto. All eyes on tonights games…
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We’re looking strong. As you said Scott, the manager was inspired in his tactics and the players didn’t let him down.
I thought our travelling fans we’re excellent (as always!)
On a cautionary note, it will not have gone unoticed by Villa that we looked pretty vunerable from corners/set plays and hope Vida is in good form on his return against the likes of Carew.
What do you reckon, top by Xmas?
On the basis on this performance, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that come May, we will be fighting for the trophies on all fronts still.
Bring on the derby, Man City. We will show you who are the kings of Manchester.
the midfield was great. it was imposing and bossed the game well. also Kuszcak looks far more composed than the last season. although wolfsburg had some great chances too but all in all it was a very good performance by the lads.
Skool teacher in Toxteth asks the class who supports Liverpool.. All put their hands up except Billy.. Teacher asks who he supports & Billy says millwall.. Teacher asks why & Billy says “my parents both come from London & they support them so i do 2″.. Teacher says “u don’t ave 2copy ur parents – wot would u do if ur m…um was a prostitute & ur dad was a burgler”? Billy said – “I’d support Liverpool like you cunts
get ripped up in 4 weeks
Scott, lets not forget the impact of Scholesy yesterday…he was perfect and kept the midfield moving as well as helped out the defence.
Brilliant.
Obertan is absolutely brilliant. From his first touch at United–when he dribbled 30 yards, then out of bounds–I knew the lad was special. My friends were saying that I needed to be patient before dubbing him as a special player, but some guys just have “it”. You can tell from his poise, presence and comfortableness over the ball that he can simply play. Some players just look like they were born with a ball at their feet and he is one of them. I am constantly impressed by his decision making ability. It’s not just his ability to make runs at players, but his decisions as to WHEN to run at players that astounds me. I haven’t seen a young player who makes such consistently good decisions in a while. That has always been Nani’s biggest downfall: he never seems certain on the pitch. It’s as though it takes him a few seconds to decide what he is going to do, while Obertan seems to know before the ball arrives.
However, Obertan does display a certain Ronaldo-like disdain for tracking back that concerns me. If he were only slightly hungrier on the defensive end he could cement himself as a first-string winger straight away. However, he weakens the team defensively, at present. I still believe, however, that it is almost certain that he will be one of the best wingers in the world. He has the mind of a mature footballer at such a young age and boat-loads of ability to compliment that.
no dimitar berbatov? well he was never going to be a miss to be fair
I would also like to say fletch and carrick (fletch in particular) were absolutely superb in defence and what a captains performance evra put in
Scott – germans are 8th in their league, they concede goals every game.
Scholes was brilliant. His pass accuracy was fenomenal. At one point i thought of when was the last time he gave the ball away. It was in the first half, he missed the delivery near the end of the game.
PS. We bought Obertna for 3 mln. Genius.
Spencer – Everytime I see a comment from you on here of late you are slagging Berbatov. Really don’t like him do you. We could well have dropped more points against Sunderland and Blackburn at home if not for his class.
Dave Pistol – ? Where is the ad you are mentioning?
It just said on SSN that Fergie has named his back four for Saturday – Flecther, Carrick, Vidic & Evra.
So that means Anders & Gibson in the middle? Fuck that, i think were going to get beat, wouldn’t it be better to put Da Laet, Carrick, Vidic & Evra in defence and Anders & Flecth in the middle??
@ (King Eric)- I bet adrian prat durham never give owen any credit since I was busy so I could not hear what they had to say. oh yea didnt merson and many say I fear for united and what was the score 3 1 need I say anymore.
does anyone else agree if arsenal did this we would hear the press wank over arsenal saying arsenal are the future.
@(scott the red)- I would not put macheda a player we missed because he is still learning the game and is not yet a key player.
Jack: “So that means Anders & Gibson in the middle? Fuck that”
Gotta disagree with you. Anderson and Gibson did a terrific job supporting Scholes the other night – and don’t forget that Giggs and Rooney will be playing with them.
I was sceptical about Gibson’s chances but I have to admit that he’s been growing on me – even if he’s only “average” in all aspects of the game, that shot he has can be a game-breaker. Anderson has always impressed me even if he – like Nani – has been inconsistent. And, for all those who continually want to slate Nani – he might be “inconsistent” and “make the wrong decisions” but he was the guy who made the perfect cross to Owen for the first goal. He did the same for Portugal, twice; and if my memory was better I would recite a number of occasions when he has done-the-business for UTD this year.
The Nani-bashers seem to hold him up to an impossibly-high level of expectation – more so than, say, Wayne Rooney who makes many “wrong decisions” in every game. He’s been in a difficult situation – expected to replicate Ronaldo’s achievements and getting shit for every “wrong decision” which is ludicrous: even Georgie Best never did the right thing on the pitch, all the time.
Besides, comparing any player to another is misguided since each guy has his own bag of tricks. All these professional players have oodles of skill, bags of talent, and tremendous engines – even a smurf like Zoran Tosic would be jaw-droppping to play against – or they wouldn’t be signed by UTD in the first place. Once they arrive and are assigned to the first-team squad, it’s the managerial team’s responsibility to build up their confidence and play them in the right position/situation.
Looking at matters in that way, you have to give SAF and the much-maligned Mike Phelan top, top grades for a truly fantastic game-plan against Wolfsburg. Sure, they were helped by the fact that LittleMikey had his radar working and that the GingerNinja is in a truly-rich vein of form but this was a make-shift team and they were full-value for the away victory against the reigning champions of Germany, a team that was desperate to win.
For what it’s worth, I think that last night was SAF’s best bit of managerial voodoo since TheLads stuffed TheArse and ended all the palaver that the press was blathering about “invincibles”.
@ (spencer)- well berbatov will be a miss when we only have 3 strikers who are experienced. and despite how well owen did last night, people must understand owen must be carefully handled which fergie has been a genius handling, he is still injury prone and to expect owen to be playing every game is just a step to far for owen and owen will be out for 6 weeks.
let fergie do what he does best with regenerating which was for owen his career fading away.
yes berbatov has not got the goals but he has made some outstanding assists but people must also realise the team is shapeshifting, united are still finding a new identity a new style to play and a new system which is going back to 442, because the team from 2007 is now changing since ronaldo is gone they got to find a new identity.
@united.george
totally agree, scholesy ran the showin midfield, cant believe hes even considering retirement!
sell Park. keep Nani. and move Tosic closer to the first team.
I like Park, but he dosent have any skill at all.
he is a good squad player, but he is not a young player, and his spot would be better used to give a young talent that chance.
lets not kid ourselves… he sells shirts in asia, and money always wins..
Would love to see chelski play with only one recognised defender and use their aged midfielders at the back with only anelka upfront then we’ll see who’s squad’s got more depth. Sick of reading how these pricks are running away with our trophy.
@ denton davey
agree with everything you say mate.
great performance last night and a masterstroke from fergie again. it fails to amaze me that even after last night people are still gonna pick the bones out of the back 4 named for saturday. evra, carrick, vidic, fletch is definitely the best we have at the min, gonna need a lot of strenght at the back with carew, heskey and agbonlahor up front for them and much as i’d like to see de laat get a chance it would be a massive risk that doesn’t need to be taken.
In fergie we trust
@(denton davey)- has for nani well that is nani’s problem he thinks he will be the next ronaldo its not the expectations of the united faithful so much who bash nani. when he also moans that fergie has messed his career up then what did you expect from some nani bashers and many others, obertan showed nani how it is done even valencia is doing it now.
why dont he look up to true united legendary players like ryan giggs not the ronaldos of this world, nani is trying to be like ronaldo when nani has not got ronaldos attributes.
nani cant play on both wings that ronaldo can
nani lacks the physical strength of ronaldo
nani is not great at taking free kicks
nani not a threat from set pieces
nani lacks the height
nani has not got the qualitys to play has a striker
nani does not have the dynamic pace of ronaldo
and nani cannot score over 20 goals a season ronaldo does
that means nani lacks 8 of ronaldos strengths that makes ronaldo the player he is, so nani should be realistic and forge the type of player he can be and stop trying to be someone he cannot be
dont forget when when giggs was at nani’s age he was tearing defences apart nani should watch and see how ryan giggs does it.
@ rooney is king. Nani can look at all the youtube footage he wants mate, he WILL NEVER be as good as Ryan Giggs. Tho’ I get your point and he should attempt to emulate him and apply himself as Ryan Giggs does. Ronaldo is Ronaldo (as in selfish) and has confidence matched by knowone in footaball. (he is stealling the show at real even with Kaka etal) I’m not really a nani basher, but by fuck he frustrates the hell sometimes and then he sends a cross for Owens first, didn’t even beat his man, all he needed was half a yard and an acurate cross. Nani son play it simple.
Scott, surely you didn’t put that advert at the top of the page?!?
Berbatov is fuck majestic for fuck sake. I’m convinced that Wazza, Micky and Berba could rip teams apart if they started together.
Yesterday’s game proved that even at 68, Sir Alex’s brain is as sharp as it has ever been. Fantastic coaching job.
Unfortunately, i don’t think that it will do us many favors. The only weak team from those who finished second is Olympiacos. And while it would be ideal to get them( i might even have a chance to go to the game
), i don’t think it will happen. As usual, Chelsea will get the easy draw.
Did Berba Rooney and Owen play together at all this season? Can’t rack my brain. If they didn’t, I’d like to see them do. Probably in a formation like this:
Kuszack
Fletch Carrick Vidic Evra
Giggs Ando Valencia
Berba Rooney
Owen
Essien out until Februrary for the RentBoyz. Let’s see how Carlo’s diamond fares now.
@Fze123: They started together against Burnley and against Wolfsburg at OT. I want to see more of them too.
On Saturday i think we will play like this:
Kuszczak
Fletch,Carrick,Vidic,Evra
Valencia,Gibson,Anderson,Giggs
Rooney,Owen
@Fze123
I think they may have played together when we were chasing a goal… but only for the latter part of the match. Not 100% sure though.
@(sanj )- is he now where you hear this great news, dont want to jinx united by saying landed a player is out. all the pieces are falling into place. valencia and obertan starting to own the right and left, owen starting to score add rooneys goals. now united need anderson and berbatov to chip in and we have a good number of goalscorers in the team. lead by the new roy keane darren fletcher
Liverpool get stretched further than my anal humping a lamppost , they only need 4 men to play the Liverpool way when a 5th is passed the ball the whole thing falls apart, what team in the world can play 180 minutes of football with 1 defender and win 7-1
Sorry, i misunderstood. I don’t think that all 3 strikers have played together this season. As sanj says, maybe towards the end of a game, but i am not really sure.
I agree with your article, the efforts of the team can never be lauded enough. But Wolfenstein did highlight some frailties. I am concerned about our right side. I’d rather Park at Rb and fletcher in front of the back three. Val supplying the right sided threat. I think SAF started safe, but I don’t think villa, with 3 wingers and a 6’5″? Carew on the pitch, will afford us the lucky breaks Ol Wolfie did. Then again, in Fergie I trust!
They called Wolfsburg a pub team and rubbished Owen?! Never seen a player castigated so much after scoring a FUCKING HAT-TRICK! Too early for WC talk! but thats the media’s bandwagon. And they’ll carelessly run over players like Owen till the squad is announced. Hope the ungratefull bastards don’t select him!!
Fuck Durham.
A great way to end a great Champions League campaign for Liverpool.
Join the Rafalution.
So Lyon join the group pf potential opponents. Good job by Liverpool by the way…
Yet another great European night for Looserpool FC.(SteveMe, Ladyboy and their saviour Aquilani all played).
In Rafa we trust!
Lol, liverpool lose at home! ha!
So we’ve avoided Fiorentina, Sevilla, Barca, Madrid, Bordeaux
So from
Bayern Munich
Porto
AC Milan
Lyon
Inter
Olympiakos
Stuttgart
I would like to think we would progress against any of those teams, cant see one of them winning the competition, Its gotta be us, chelsea or Barca.
anyone know when the draw is?
Torres. The little amount of talent he had has now gone.
The draw is on Friday the 18th. I would prefer to face Olympiacos. But if it’s going to be someone else, please not Inter and Porto. I had enough of them last season. Getting revenge on AC Milan sounds more intriguing…
Pondave
The ones I would avoid is Bayern (Ribery) and Inter (bcoz you never know with their manager). The others we should be strong enough over 2 legs
Lets hope we get Olympiakos and Chelski get Inter
i went upstairs at 1-1, how demoralising would it be to be a dipper!!!! 1 win in how many games now?? ive seriously lost count
give me stuttgart every day of the week
I would pick olympiakos , then stuttgart, then porto/lyon. I think we’d beat any of them over 2 legs though, just cant wait for the draw and to start planning our route to the final!
I would like Olympiakos, then stuttgart, then porto, then Milan..
hope we stay away from Lyon, Inter, and Bayern
chelski 2 get inter barca 2 get milan madrid to get bayern
Could Liverpool do a Leeds?? Could you imagine it. They are in debt like our club but instead of winning trophy using money Sisley advancing in the top paying competitions they are 8th in the league can play 55 minutes of concentrated football are not in the top cup competition not in the bottom competition not in the league won’t get a new stadium that they need , united are in debt so they make money to keep the banks happy, Liverpool are lossing money are going backwards And will get into a situation where the banks will breath down there neck for them to sell the ladyboy. It’s shocking that this can happen but it’s as funny as fuck. Liverpool aren’t even ceded in the Europa league uefa have giving up on them and won’t let a big European name get them an easy game
@Costas & sanj
Many of us would like to see all 3 start. Fergie probably considers it too risky playing them together, especially in the league, because we could fall into a situation where we need an impact sub such as Owen. So I wonder if we will ever see a Rooney-Berba-Owen striking force. Maybe in a CL game.
denton davey
Changed my mind, i’m confident were win, lol.
Nanis good but he needs to work on his decision making and he’ll be alright, fully agree about Gibson about how he plays all game but that shot his got of his is a rocket.
I’d just prefer Da Laet at RB against Young whos been shit this season and Flecth back in the middle.
Kuszack or VDS
Da Laet Carrick Vidic Evra
Valenica Anderson Flecther Giggs or Obertan
Rooney Berbatov
How bad must the dippers be feeling tonight. I can predict a hot demand for psychiatrists in merseyside. I can also see them doing a leeds. Good times ahead.
I would like Lyon, Olympiakos, Stuttgart and wouldn’t mind Inter again, whom I believe we are capable of beating this year too.
@ rooney the new king
I agree with you mate on your analysis about Nani and CR9. The only two things
To add is that Nani lacks the self belief that ronaldo has. Also, he lacks that mental
Toughness and discipline.
Ronaldo has the attitude “I am the best” whereas Nani doesn’t .
One more thing rronaldo is consistent
@Fze123:
I wouldn’t have a problem with it. The only question is how you bring balance to a side like that. Probably play Rooney on the left like last season. I am not too fond of United playing without width. We will see. If Welbeck and Macheda start making themselves as first class options, then Fergie might take the risk.
Ulster red it’s 3 wins in there last 14 games in all competitions
This is the dippers year?…………… They were all on show tonight, ‘Stevie starfish’, ‘El Nitwit’ and the ‘Little Ponce’ and guess what? They were rubbish! Graeme Souness reckons they are on the verge of a meltdown both financially and football wise, I agree with him and as he said they need a new stadium just to stand still in terms of weekly revenue. Ah well! couldn’t happen to a nicer club!
cheers ghtt, that is proper poor, and to think 1 of their wins was against us
Ulster red burnley also have 3points on united this season. This is the worst season I’ve at 28 ever seen Liverpool play.
Liverpool fans beware. Rafa has signed a new contract!…with Vodafone, so he can get some extra minutes
@ Costas
The most effective formation to use which wouldn’t require Rooney to move to the left would probably be a 4-3-2-1, where Berba and Rooney play as AMs, because they drop too deep anyway, and Owen up front as a lone striker. Agree about Welbeck & Macheda, when they become more established in about 2 years time they’ll hopefully be first choice for utd.
@ Rob the Red what you talking about off course this is their year, they are being talked about that is enough to be the talk of the town haha. Fze123 I do not want to see all 3 on the pitch at the same time
This result makes me very happy, it just goes to show that you don’t need overpaid superstars to do a job. Of course its nice to have the odd Ronaldo, makes things easier and gives Sir Alex another option but when it comes to playing football its a team sport. United has a way of playing football, close if not total football. Most players are happy in a multitude of positions and learn the basics for every position. We miss 10 players and we go on, when the Dippers lose 2 players they look like Tranmere.
my thoughts now will obertan be going to africa ???
Nate
I hope that you are ignorant to the fact that gabby is French and you didn’t know where he was from than racist in the fact that you think all black players are from Africa, united have players from different races From portugal to brazil to England from France to warick road
@nate
I would love to see Obertan going to South Africa, kid is pure class.
@ Gotta hate tiny tears did he mean obertan going to france which world cup is in africa maybe he ment that
I also think ate meant France. Who knows though? Is Obertan better than Malouda? Wait. I didn’t just ask that…
I think Domenech should take him.
hopefully he meant Obertan going to the World Cup with France, in South Africa.
Doubt it. Ribery plays his position so don’t think so. Definetely be a France regular by Euro 2012, he is looking quality.
@ Costas does that pratt domminic choses evra has first choice, nope he uses the barca LB. did you hear radio 5 live some idiot italian said chelsea are head and shoulders above the rest and balague said the same.has these idiots been watching chelsea they are by far the most overated side in europe. lets see how great chelsea are without essien and lose 9 defenders and their attack then we will see if chelsea are all that
Red Army- I thought the same thing about the advert. I opened the Leeds page and saw “BAAAAAAAA” and I fell off my chair laughing at the coincidence.
Costa mate, if we do draw Olympiakos, will you go for the game?
Back to the topic, we are champions for a reason. Let’s see any other team lose 9 defenders, 2 main strikers and then win.
Yes. Sir Alex get those tactics right. I was half correct with my prediction on defense. Only didn’t thought that fletcher could be playing Central Defender. Ha. Looking forward to this weekend. If we win, we could be in a driving seat as we comes up against a team which is battling to be a top 4 teams. Come on!
Take any of the second place teams – we should do the lot – only one worry is Milan. Over the years they have been the one bogey team (69/07 etc) we have always had trouble with. Italian football right now is bad – but that lot do scare me. Bayern flatter to deceive. They truly played a “cup tie” with their life on the line v Juve who folded like a cardboard suitcase.
With a full squad we should get through any of the potential teams we may face.
Hard game for Saturday – but Villa’s defence is tripe so reckon with the right team out we should get the points.
SAF is truly a genius like someone else posted what would Chelsea or Arse do with our injury situation – probably the twat FA would postpone all fixtures until they got better
anybody see the *young guns* get beat.?olympiacos were shit
great to see the delutionals get beaten tonight. i put a nice little bet on them, liverpool to be winning at half time but lose the game, got that at 50-1 . snappin i only put five euros on it tho!!!
Alan Hansen said it best.
“You’ll never win anything with Scousers”
What? He didn’t say that?
Then he IS a knob!
@torontored: “…. someone else posted what would Chelsea or Arse do with our injury situation – probably the twat FA would postpone all fixtures until they got better”
Lol!!
Yeah, and if Sir Alex said anything about in the press he would be banned for unfair play. How dare Sir Alex ask other teams to play with their players out injured?
@theboogeyman:
Hi mate. Sorry, i fell asleep. If that happens, i would love to go to the game, but Olympiacos have a strict ticket policy. In Ch.League games it’s very difficult to find them. You have to be a member of one of the fan clubs who go to the stadium in mass. My bets shot would be to secure an invitation. I will try to see if i can find one. If the game was at the Olympic Stadium(which can host 60000 people) then i would have a better chance. We will see. I would love it if UNited draw them, because i can’t stand them!
Hi Costas
Good morning. Great year for Greek Football. Olympiacos make it to the last 16 and your country make it to the World Cup. I think Olympiacos along with Stuggart will be easy for us given the fact that Arsenal beat them comfortably at the Emirates and their kids did well yesterday.Stuggart have done well and got a new coach but i fancy us to overcome them easily
My insticnt tells me its goona be Lyon or Inter AGAIN.
I want to avoid Inter or Bayern Munich. WE can beat AC Milan or porto
Good morning everyone just a question for you football minds. Why are sky sports reporting on arsenal lossing last night by saying ” the future looks bright for arsenal” “future stars” and ” possible arsenal heros” and 14 days ago it was simple the united future is In disarray and sir Alex made a balls up by picking his young players. “young guns fire for the future” ” you’ll never win anything with the kids” . GHTT’S QUESTION OF THE DAY. What’s the fucking difference
@rooney the new king. I think nate’s comment wasn’t that clear, the reason for Ghtt’s comment. You know there’s that perception since Gabby burst into the scene(thanks to united) that he might have an Algerian background,like Zidane did. We know Algeria will be at Angola and South Africa. So nate’s comment might imply a call by the african nation on Obertan for both competitions. @ nate – be specific. Well, i trust gabby to force his way through to the world cup. He’s unique.
ghtt
good morning mate. Arsenals young lads were pretty impressive yesterday i thought.Maybe we were slated a bit because we lost at home and given our ususal standard of performances didnt really create much against Besiktas.Plus Arsenal had qualified as top of group while we had to get a point to ensure top spot.
Manchester United; the team that has not finished outside the top three in the Premiership since it’s Inauguration in 1992!
It just makes good reading!
AIG
never did I say there was anything bad about the arsenal players or how well they played. I taught our kids who lost by one good attack by the other teamwere by far the better team, we played them off the park in the first half but they scores in that half, same way we’d nearly 60% possestion against burnley. My point is arsenal kids get beat amd they a brave young men who will take over the world and united kids lose and sir Alex made a mistake an our future is looking bleak. And want does itatter that they where already top . The points mean nothing every game should be a must won.
ghtt
exactly mate. AT United we are expected to win evey game irrespective of the team, even if SAF plays himself people will still expect a win. Thats the mentality of the fans and everybody when they think about United.Also whenever our kids play there will be those comparisions with becks,scholes,nevs and giggs. we cant avoid that so one bad performance and people will starts comparing and say how they are not as good as becks and the rest without forgetting that most of them are the lads are just 18-20 years of age. What pleased me was the way we bounced back againsts really good spurs side.That wasnt easy because the lads had to bounce back afetr the criticism and they did it in style,Gibbo doing well and may become a regular if he continues his improvement
Aig
your right about Gibson , himself Valencia and gabby and p.I.g. have done what foster nani and park with injuries should have done and that step up when a oppertunity comes a knocking. You can see gibson in the future and with the 2 lada on the wings which scott wa right about the redS in 1994.
Cambell is saying thismorning that hed love to join united
RE: GTHTT
” Cambell is saying thismorning that hed love to join united ”
So would I!
kusczak to replace van der sar when he retires this guy is showing his true potential
See Durham on talksport, called Wolfsburg…wait for it “a pub team”
Costa, to be fair, it was around 7 in the morning here in India. I was just logging on before getting ready for school.
GHTT- Would you rather be praised by the media for doing nothing or slated for achieving something, not everything?
It’s more fun to rub it in their faces when we do win.
@theboogeyman
Getting ready for School? demoted from college.LOL
@doncobaino
just trying to downplay his performace and the team effort. They are German Champions.The dippers lose to a 4th string Fiorentina side and Chelsea draw with some unknown street side despite fielding most of their big players.BTW if anyone follows the German League the side that played on Tue was Wolfsburg,s strongest 11.They arent doing well in the league becasue Grafite has been injured for long period and Dzeko has had to do it alone.Their defence may not be the best but they are more of a free flowing attacking side than trying to play tactically like the dippers
About Obertan boys, I take great pleasure in when he was fed the ball wide that he quickly passed it back to midfield, appropriately. That actually took Ronaldo a year or 2 to learn, and something Nani still cant do. Then sure, you take on the man when you have the chance to beat him, not 2 of them.
Morning
doncobaino – Yeah I hear that twat last night Durham. He is laughable. Everything he says is just for a reaction. He is the ONLY person I know that has said negative things about Owen the other night.
The best bit of comedy I have seen in ages was on Talkshite last night. Some dipper rang Stan and said that he can’t slag Rafa off as when he was at Liverpool “he stank the place out with his attitude”. Fucking quality, even the scousers hate him. He was furious was the bird beater, saying that he knows fuck all and that him and Fowler were “the best partnerhip in Europe”. Ha ha ha. ONly a matter of time before he is sacked from that show, he is a joke.
gotta hate and aig – Nevermind the ridiculous comments about Arsenal’s wonderkids I have another question. Why the fuck are the Rentboys Joint favourites for the Champions league?
Off topic – Why the fuck were Barca wearing those stupid leggings last night? I know it was cold but fucking hell. Ponces.
@King Eric
hi mate. Good morning
The rentboys are always favourites for all the tournaments.do they win anything apart from Carling Cup or the FA Cup.No. So i am least bothered by who the favourites are. The fact that England are 2nd favs to win the world cup after spain made me laugh off my seat.
Derek Mcgovern’s tip of the day
on Tue: Wolfsburg-they lose
on Wed: Liverpool-they lose
Seriously this cunt makes me laugh and he says owen was finished since a long time. Yeah Voronin isnt even fit to lick his arse.
@king eric
I turned it of once he started ripping micky owen apart, he’s a jealous cunt calling wolfsburg a pub team, the guys got no class.
Hi guys.
@AIG: Yep, it is a great year for Greek football so far. But Olympiacos were dealt with the easiest group a Greek side has ever had! Arsenal aside, the other two were easy pickings for them. And i agree that Stutgart and Olympiacos are our prefered choices, but since they will be reserved for Chelsea and Real(as usual), in would like to face AC Milan. For two reasons:1) We haven’t faced them in the last 4 years. 2) That defeat in 05 still hurts.
@GHTT: I don’t know how impressive the Arsenal kids were last night. Olympiacos were missing a few first choice players(in case you are wondering where he vanished, Matt Derbyshire plays there) and they are not on par with Arsenal’s fitness. I think what let them down was that they were playing in front of a hostile crowd. The UNited team that lost to Besiktas didn’t have that. They were at home. That’s why they were critisized harder than the Arsenal kids.
I came across this comment by “Speaktruth” on the Guardian Online blog about UTD’s defensive display against Wolfsburg:
“If you take a team like this current Utd squad. Carrick and Fletcher are of a reasnably suitable height to play in central defence. Once you get over the aerial and positioning issues, you start thinking of their actual midfield-bred abilities on the ball. All of a sudden rather than have natural defender hoofing the ball upfield, you have natural passers, playing out from deep. If you are good at this as Utd are across the team, then logic suggests you have more possession.”
Good points about possession – against Wolfsburg, UTD mostly played the ball on the ground, out from defence. Scholes was the fulcrum. It worked a treat. For a long time, I’ve wondered about the value of “hoofing the ball upfield” – I mean, how many times does a sixty-yard kick end up in the kicking team’s possession ? And, isn’t the object of the game to control the ball ?
I’ve always believed that when Rio keeps the ball and moves upfield into opposition territory with it in his possession then there is consternation in the opposition’s defence. IF he comes back to health, match-fitness and -sharpness then I’d like to see him given more liberty to do that. [By the by, it's the same skill-set that makes Everton's Jack Rodwell such an intriguing young talent.] But, getting back to the main point of “speaktruth’s” comment – watching UTD against Wolfsburg had an eery similarity to watching the traditional game of “triangles” done faster. Short, quick passing with an emphasis on control and immediate re-distribution.
hi all.. sorry for being late here after the Wolfsburg game.. was very busy with work, and i got ill after the game..
@denton davey, hats off to you mate, i always enjoy reading your comments. I am learning to be more patient, giving more chance and time to our young players, from reading comments like yours. Thank you for your comments.
I think Obertan is one of the most natural footballer i have ever seen. At 18, that comfortable with the ball, the noise, and everything that comes with playing for Manchester United, home and away, he is just genius. He brings smile to my face, he captivates me.
I am lost here I am, didnt some expert pundits and idiots on talksport say united have a rough 90 minutes ahead and they fear for united, tell me people what has changed it is the same side that won the german league. I dont care who you play in europe to beat the german champions thats right the german champions with no defence and your first choice attack out thats a pretty god damn impressive performence and scoreline.
united players missing vds g neville brown rafeal ferdinand vidic evans o shea fabio hargreaves giggs rooney berbatov hey why dont I just throw ronaldo in at this rate since everyone still thinks we are nothing without him. that is your goals gone the creative spark gone and the defence gone and they still won. liverpool chelsea and arsenal cant aford to miss a quater of that type of quality.
hey and arsenal are the future, so tell me the media arsenal cocksuckers and pundits what was the score last night exactly.
Like I said from the first time I saw him;
Obertan could very well be our Zidane. He moves and has that crazy vision from outer space just the same as Zidane did. And for a player still with the tentative beginning phase that he is undergoing, it’s a frightful prospect to imagine what he will become when he is fully acclimated and fully in form.
cantona7 he’s 20 mate
Have a read of this, funny as!
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/liverpool-turn-corner-into-terrifying-alley-full-of-zombies-200912102300/