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Berbatov To… Fulham??

After it looked as though Dimitar Berbatov was set to join Fiorentina earlier today, it was then reported that Juventus had come in at the last minute to sign him. Fiorentina paid for Berbatov’s flights to Florence, agreed a deal with United and had a verbal agreement with the player, only for Juventus to hijack the deal. Fiorentina are understandably furious and have released a statement slamming the “arrogance of other clubs”, as well as Berbatov, claiming “he doesn’t deserve our city or our shirt.”

However, following United’s dealings with the Italian club after Paul Pogba ditched us for them, it is possible that United didn’t want to do business with them. That deal is off and it now appears as though Berbatov will be staying in the Premier League, playing for former manager, Martin Jol.

Calciomercato have tonight reported that Berbatov’s wife was keen to stay in England which lead the player to agree a deal with Fulham. If anything, this would confirm that United were not interested in Moussa Dembélé, who left Fulham for Tottenham Hotspur earlier today.

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  1. DreadedRed says:

    U21 coach Joyce was pleased with Evans’ contribution last night:

    “It’s great to see him back and he’s come through unscathed,” he stated. “He’s done it properly and got tackles and headers in, moved the ball around and looked good.”

  2. DreadedRed says:

    Atin – thanks for that correction, it seems you are right.

    An over 21 keeper plus 3 over 21 outfielders may form part of the squad.

  3. DreadedRed says:

    Raimond van der Gouw has monitored Alex Büttner’s progress chart at Arnham, where Schmeichel’s former understudy has been goalkeeper coach:

    “Alex was Vitesse Arnhem’s Player of the Year last season and deservedly so.”

    Much more at:

  4. kanchelskis says:


    From the names you mention, I think one thing we can surmise is that from here onwards the discussions under blogposts are generally going to be more related to football … or is that too much to ask for do you think?

  5. DreadedRed says:

    kanchelskis – It probably is too much to ask for, but hope springs eternal!

    Personally, I don’t mind some banter on non-football topics, but not when they overpower the football-related submissions. If we are all chatting jokingly about miscellanies, and someone posts a view on United or football, their comment can be missed or lost in the babble. We should probably make a point of addressing the on-United-topic posted views, and we should definitely not swamp them with drivel.

  6. FletchTHEMAN says:

    Dreaded: Büttner was an Ajax player as well and several of the trainers there have said good things.
    If there is a question, it is about his ability to pull out of a tackle and whether he will be a card/pen liability at EPL or CL level. One can only speculate on such things and the lad will be willing to listen at a club like ours. Others have questioned his commitment because he chose to leave Ajaz for Vittesse “simply” because of his tight kit family not wanting to move. Think that is a question for a 16 year old, and maybe we can move on with a 23 year old. Future is bright.

    Kancgekskis For ROM? Bit of a stretch one would have to imagine ;)

  7. kanchelskis says:


    Completely agree that miscellanies and banter are all part of the fabric and I don’t have anything against that.

    But it’s when

    - bitch fights
    - lengthy, idiosyncratic and entirely irrelevant conversations between small groups of friends
    - the same posts we’ve seen 1000 times before
    - hate posts

    intrude, and even come to dominate the comments section, that I completely lose interest and understand perfectly well why newcomers are put off.

    Possible solutions include

    - post limits
    - locking email addresses to usernames
    - banning

    but they won’t happen. Scott has a hands-off approach to the comments section. That’s his prerogative and I don’t blame him.

    But it’s frustrating that what is such a great website for information, insight and opinion has a comments section that doesn’t quite match up.

  8. Marq says:

    We have in our stiker department

    The finisher – Hernandez/
    The targetman – Welbeck
    The technician – Berbatov/Rvp
    The all rounder – Rooney

    Where Macheda fits, I’m not sure, which I suppose is his problem, he does not excel in specific areas, and his all round game also needs improving. But he is young, still in with a chance if Berbatov goes

  9. DreadedRed says:

    FletchTHEMAN – I agree. Ajax is definitely one of the best Clubs on the planet for a young player to learn his trade. Of course, the best products leave Dutch football for Leagues with more money (and therefore more quality. Leaving Ajax does not make a player a ‘failure.’

    I also agree that at 23, Alex is mature enough to adapt to a change of home.
    The future is looking up for Büttner, and for United!

  10. FletchTHEMAN says:

    Just when you thought it was safe to send the kids back out on the street….. Andy Gray puts his 2bits in on Rooney getting the ax.

    Help us!

  11. DreadedRed says:

    kanchelskis – your comment at 11:25 is totally valid.

    I suppose that allowing all-comers has its drawbacks and its positives. We get an unfiltered appreciation of the the views that occupy our multi-national minds. We then get the opportunity to debunk the baseless or incorrect opinions. The downside being that we have to wade through self-serving hypocrisy and blatant ABUism.

    I think we have the mental fortitude and logical ability to make a positive impact on the fence-riders that might otherwise fall off into the ‘wrong field’!

  12. Busby babes says:

    Impressed with what i seen of buttner lasnite, looks a confident player, when in possesion of the ball, very illusive, made some good defensive headers too.

  13. DreadedRed says:

    ex TAOT:

    MUTV/ Programme editor Paul Davies views on Büttner’s debut:

    “It was his first full 90 minutes of the campaign after playing little part in pre-season forVitesse Arnhem, but rather than tire he seemed to grow as the game progessed. First impressions? Very committed, quick, always looking to get forward and made a real contribution by heading off the line late on. Steady rather than spectacular – but isn’t that what you want from your full-backs?”

  14. fergie is the boss says:

    Mark – I disagree, do not let his behavior towards united cloud the judgement of the way berbatov acted, if we were on the verge of buying berbatov, we paid for his flight, and then he decided afterwards he did not want to join us, we would have enough to say

  15. DreadedRed says:

    Roy Hodgson has included Michael Carrick, Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck in his 24-man England squad for the World Cup qualifiers against Moldova (away on Friday 7 September) and Ukraine (at home on Tuesday 11 September.)

  16. Unitedforeva says:

    Can we put in a clause for Berba not to play us when we go Fulham? I’m worried about his languid style.

  17. DreadedRed says:

    Believing the anti-Berbatov reports without checking under the pasta is foolish.

  18. parryheid says:

    Buttner is an asset to United and I think he will soon prove his worth.

  19. James21 says:

    I haven’t really gone anywhere, I actually read the blog every day and laugh at some of the drivel but mainly some good points are posted. You mentioned me so I felt a reply was due. Personally I don’t feel the need to promote another Utd blog or forum, there are many out there and I spend enough time trying to promote my buisness.
    I have to thank ROM for introducing me to fellow reds who I have met on matchdays for a beer, Mike, Giggs12 and King Eric even Devil 310 from the U.S. Anyone is welcome to pop along and say hello.
    Thanks for the kind mention.

    I will say that it has always been said that after about 100 comments on topic anything goes. The posters who have decided to walk away are not the only ones who have attacked new posters or existing ones, there are still a few on here that are equally as guilty. I hate liars, cheats and down right snide back stabbers but maybe I have let my personal feelings cloud my judgement in the past but that is part of being human.

    One thing we have is we are all reds. Utd Utd Utd.

  20. goatinaunitedshirt says:

    As far as Fiorentina Viola are concerned I couldnt give a rats arse if Berba got a free flight out of them and never showed up. What goes around comes around. Fiorentina and Juventus are scum bag clubs who cheat there way through their scabby arse excistances. Berba screws with them, kudos Berba.

    About Andy Grays article. Not totally down to Gray but why does he seem to believe like others that Rooney and the boss have had a falling out. They have a proffesional relationship not a fucking marriage. Rooney isnt expected to be a yes man nor is he supposed to be the go to man for advice on tactics and team selection. He is a player and he follows instructions, when he talks to the boss its amicable as it should be but it isnt “daddy daddy tell me about the time you won the league with Aberdeen” only to see Rooney curled up on uncle Alexs knee. So where does this falling out come from. Why do fans and reporters seem to believe that there is some familly like atmosphere where everyone sits round the same table for dinner like that old scouse sitcom Bread.
    Another thing, why is anyone using the excuse that Rooney is tired from the Euros – he hardly played. one and a half matches all summer and hes fucked? That cant come into any excuse or otherwise Giggs and Cleverley amongst others would be just as fucked.
    Another thing. Why do people believe that Rooney was benched because of “one bad game”. He wasnt benched because of a mediocre performance against Everton, he was benched because of half a year of stale play where he became the focal point but didnt know what to do that was special with the ball when he got it. He was playing like Darren Bent trying to be Cantona but thought better of it mid stream ending up being Darren Bent. Sure goals would come here and there, I think I could score for United with the talent around me even if it was people shooting at me trying to get a lucky deflection. Rooney needs time to realise that being a superstar footballer craves staying late at the training ground. Cantona wasnt who he was by going home and playing x-fucking-box. Beckhams free kicks werent brilliant because of Twitter or Pepsi and Ronaldo wasnt the player he was by selling aftershave and appearing on magazine covers. Shape up Rooney and I dont mean fitness or your bulk – I think you are fine as you are, even smoke the odd ciggie, I kind of like the rebelious image – I mean shape up your bloody mind and get back to WORK.

  21. FletchTHEMAN says: is saying United will have to contribute to his salary at Fulham. Why in the world we do that?
    Family is family and all, but honestly?!

  22. Zino says:

    It had better not be because we aren’t city!! Would be a very strange scenario/deal. So desperate to get him out that we’d fund(albeit partly) his continued ‘absence’

  23. Mark says:

    fergie is the boss — In the grand scheme of things, I don’t think the cost of a couple of flights are really going to trouble Fiorentina too much. He’s not their player until he signs on the line. I know he’s not blameless, but i think “He’s not worthy of our city” is a bit harsh. Although it may have been lost in translation. United have missed out on players before, Fergie may bemoan the situation, but I don’t think he’d go that far.

  24. lordrt says:

    DreadedRed – good morning buddy. well not that its reached it peak, may be I wrote it wrongly, but it was like an illusion type of reference to that… :)
    normally with young players one tends to expect them to show quality skills as the games go on, like for Welbeck whenever he plays I wait for him to do some incredible actions, like that sweet first touch of Berba even if the ball is hoofed at him, but only see Welbeck either control it too far away of miss it, things like this. With young players usually given their freshness and stamina, you would expect them to surprise you in the right way, something which Welbeck showed only a few times unfortunately so far, but yet, am still looking forward for him to increase his abilities, and playing alongside RvP would only do him good

  25. Red Keighley says:

    Another fucking transfer fiasco at UTD. Surely the club knew that Fulham were interested in Berba why the fuck did they not say you can have Berba + £9/£10m if we can have Dembele. Yet again we are going to have a season whereby we have no one who is powerful enough in midfield to deal with Fellani, Toure and Dembele! Never mind Europe! Or are we planning on Anderson getting bigger (but sadly slower) to deal with this type of midfielder. He was puffing and blowing on Saturday after 60 minutes so I have no confidence that he is going to come good this season – we have waited long enough for his so called potential to be realised.

  26. Zibbie says:

    SAF has never had a problem with Rooney’s training, comes early stays late. SAF has called him one of the hardest workers. I understand the Rooney concern. He did look lost the last 3rd of the year, when MUFC had no amf players. He was the mf link to himself. Sitll 35+ goals more points and goals then the winning season the year before.

    Goat I do wear rose color glasses on Rooney that is for sure. He is at an odd cross roads of sorts. I see that.
    Love you funny ass take on every thing you do.

    This time off Rooney needs to heal right.
    Come back with fight.
    See how his game will fit with the new.

  27. TonyBee says:

    Red Keighly …. Probably because SAF dont want Dembele … If the boss rated him and wanted him a swap could have been arranged.. Agree with your Ando comment though

  28. YorYor says:

    The Dembele in the other field is better than the Carrick in our own field.

    As for Berbatov… we’ll have to face him once I guess. Hope he doesn’t give us a torrid time then, he is very adept at finding space for himself as he doesn’t attract much attention to himself.

  29. YorYor says:

    PS: Can never forget his pirouette assist to CR. Unforgettable, ranks right up there in my memory.

  30. fergie is the boss says:

    Mark – yea and united fans have called them cunts, before DDG was signed, when he was unsure if to sign for united, I read loads of united fans on here call him all sorts of things, so fans have been fickle towards players possibly snubbing us, and have done

  31. brett1985 says:

    Berbatov was dreadful for us. Thank God he is out the door. 3m to Fulham- says it all.

  32. Denton Davey says:

    Red Keighley @ 14:27: “Another fucking transfer fiasco at UTD. Surely the club knew that Fulham were interested in Berba why the fuck did they not say you can have Berba + £9/£10m if we can have Dembele. Yet again we are going to have a season whereby we have no one who is powerful enough in midfield to deal with Fellani, Toure and Dembele!”

    Give it a rest. SAF doesn’t want “that kind of player” – maybe because he has other ideas and those ideas have won a truck-load of championships and trophies. Also, if you watched the beginning of last year – before YoungTom was injured and then Anderson got crocked – and you watched the match last weekend then you can see how he wants the midfield guys to play: fast, incisive, one-two passing. Demblele/Fellaini/Toure aren’t the right “role models” for the style of play in which KagawasBunga will be the creative fulcrum – Pirlo, Iniesta and Xavi are.

  33. Denton Davey says:

    brett1985 @ 19:40: “Berbatov was dreadful for us. Thank God he is out the door.”

    Not true – he was disappointing but NOT dreadful. He had a great half-year (from August 2010 to February 2011) when his goals were instrumental in helping to win #19 but otherwise he was – got to say it ! – a-square-peg-in-a-round-hole. Good luck to him – he was always polite and professional; and, maybe, he was even more disappointed than any of us that his sojourn at OT was not what he wanted.

  34. fergie is the boss says:

    Denton Davey – I was very weary about the signing, as at the time I thought we did not need him. But that is a fair summary of berbatov, not dreadful, because he was key in the 08/09 season, and the 2010/11 season. And even that was a good return from the player, but out of his 4 seasons at the club, he was half disappointing.

  35. Costas says:


    Don’t even dignify comments like that with a response, lol.

  36. Red Keighley says:

    Denton Davey I appreciate what you are saying about “you can see how he (SAF) wants the midfield guys to play: fast, incisive, one-two passing.” Sadly Anderson at the moment is not capable of that type of game for more than 45 minutes if that – on Saturday many of us in SAF stand commented on how little running he was actually doing after playing a pass rather the hard running was been done by Cleverley and Kagawa.
    I fully respect the contribution SAF has made to the club in terms of winning trophies but we won fuck all last year and we were totally outplayed and outclassed in the fucking Europa League never mind the CL. Carrick had a good season last year but he is not the most mobile of players and I hope I am wrong but I think we will be found wanting again in midfield when we play the top class sides in the PL and the CL.

  37. DreadedRed says:

    James21 – perhaps one day fortune will find my way to Manchester, and then I would very much like to take you up on your gracious, open offer. Don’t hold your breath, I’ve a way to go.

    You are steady on RoM, you are not judgmental and don’t serve your personal agenda.
    Lively? Yes. Passionate? Yes.

    Envied as a match going maniacal Manchester United man with a Reds-rocking mandate?

  38. brett1985 says:


    Put any reasonable striker in United’s front line, given the service that one would expect and watch him score a bunch of goals. Berbatov did not fail that season but in reality it was no more nor less than I expected.

    In the end my view is that he was dreadful which is maybe not an adjective which everyone will use but it reflects my view that he is not a united type player.

    I’ll be honest. I think Berbatov has many personal failings but the real reason I have not taken to him is because we bought him at a time when one select purchase could have helped us to become one of the greatest sides of all time. Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez & ….

    Berbatov for me was the first step on the way back down the hill and although we did well in the next few years (little thanks to a player who contributed nothing in the Champions League whatsoever) we’ve gradually regressed from an amazing team.

    I think this is a fair assessment and although we are not there yet, the addition of Van Persie, is in my opinion transformative and I see us heading back to the top.

  39. brett1985 says:

    Oh and whilst Ferguson is not beyond reproach, I will give him credit for biting the bullet on this one. Taking a huge loss on this player cannot be easy. Let alone buying a not much younger 29 year old, for a huge fee to replace him. Surely this circumstance alone says it all about Berbatov whenever Ferguson has in the past found a significant for intelligent players like Sheringham.

  40. Denton Davey says:

    brett1985 @ 21:52: “I will give him credit for biting the bullet on this one. Taking a huge loss on this player cannot be easy.”

    That’s not how the “accounting” works – the player is “depreciated” each year of his contract so that at the end of his contract he has no “value”. Thus, UTD “wound down” their investment until it was only worth the value of his wages – and most of those were recouped by the sale. It’s a kind of zero-sum-game.

    Anyhow, I wouldn’t go as far as you in denying Dimmy any value in his years at OT; sure, he’s disappointed us but only because we held him in high regard but he’s also “repaid” us by showing us glimpses of sublime skill AND scoring goals that were vital to securing # 19. If there’s any disappointment for me then it’s because i expected much, much more from him. But, alas, sometimes the magic doesn’t happen.

  41. jo says:

    Berbatov is class. I wish him all the best. A lot of people say he didn’t do much for us but this isn’t true. The Bulgarian has 108 app and 48 goals which is nearly a goal for every game. Fergie didnt play him. Was he suppose to score whilst on the bench??

  42. DreadedRed says:

    Great posts Denton Davey!

  43. Toms says:

    Berba is a classy player and person. Bit afraid because I do think that he is still class. We have 1 game against him this season, but otherwise I think he’ll end up in the upper end of the scoring race this season.

  44. fergie is the boss says:

    Denton Davey – another positive out of the berbatov signing, it drove tevez out of the club, so not bad signing after all hey

  45. brett1985 says:


    You say that about the value but I’m seeing posts of people who clearly over value the player absolutely baffled at the fee. RVP was in the last year of his contract. You can see what kind of value a good player in the last year of his contract can attract. So I’m sorry but I do not buy into your assessment at all.

    As for the season when he was top scorer, I reiterate that there was very little in that contribution which could not have been provided by any number of players. I do not credit him with being a special part of 19. He did his job for once and to that extent I’m not going to haul him over the coals. However, I wont be giving him special praise either.


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