After it looked as though Dimitar Berbatov was set to join Fiorentina earlier today, it was then reported that Juventus had come in at the last minute to sign him. Fiorentina paid for Berbatov’s flights to Florence, agreed a deal with United and had a verbal agreement with the player, only for Juventus to hijack the deal. Fiorentina are understandably furious and have released a statement slamming the “arrogance of other clubs”, as well as Berbatov, claiming “he doesn’t deserve our city or our shirt.”
However, following United’s dealings with the Italian club after Paul Pogba ditched us for them, it is possible that United didn’t want to do business with them. That deal is off and it now appears as though Berbatov will be staying in the Premier League, playing for former manager, Martin Jol.
Calciomercato have tonight reported that Berbatov’s wife was keen to stay in England which lead the player to agree a deal with Fulham. If anything, this would confirm that United were not interested in Moussa Dembélé, who left Fulham for Tottenham Hotspur earlier today.
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You’re at the best club Dimitar Berbatov. Fight for your place, score goals, enthrall us.
Dembélé would have been nice. Would certainly have made me feel less sad about the Berb.
DAFUQ?
All I wish is that berba plays for a club at a stanard he deserves. I would prefer italy for him, but the guy is a class act on n off the pitch. He deserves to be playing.
If Fulham do sign him, (its a big if and seems papers already looking a linking deme money with everyone) It will be a bit of a coup.
all the best berba, where ever u go… (except city, dippers or gooners n leeds lol)
That’s a very strange move in my opinion. Oh well best of luck Berba. You deserve it after showing how loyal you are by not once bad mouthing the club even though you barely played last season.
ND58
@Clint-Iamyourpapii
Your angels are starting to feel neglected
ND58
off topic: great Lindegaard save vs Spurs
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2012/08/29/video-anders-lindegaard-incredible-double-save-against-tottenham-u21s/?
Classy move by the classy Bulgarian. Out of the three teams wanting Berbatov, he chose the only team which had the number 9 shirt available. Juve’s 9 is Vucinic while Fiorentina’s 9 is El Hamdaoui. So Fulham it is!
To be honest that just add salt to the wound. I thought Dembele was magnificent against us at Old Trafford and i do believe everyone who follows United knows that we need such a player . With Today prices i think 15 m for a player like him is a bargain and to know that Berba could have used in that deal to get him and was still ignored is simply frustrating .
Anyone seen Ronnie’s flick? Just give the man the Ballon d’Or already!
TK99- spot on!!
Seems a joke he lets berba go and keeps one trick poney young the cm is so weak its a laugh we will be bullied by stonger teams and he has done fuck all about it yet again . Iwas there on sat denbele was just shoving tc kagawa out of the way every fan is saying the same thing all of us are not wrong ffs
I never wanted Dumbell, and I think all the clamouring has been nothing short of deplorable.
Enough already!
… babble a little …
… that should be enough …
RT66
Well said Dreaded
TK99 salt in who’s wounds you daft cunt Utd didn’t want him jesus enough of this Dembele bollocks
Anyone typed in “full kit wankers” in to google recently? Scouse bastards dressed to impress. And before any of you get it in there first scousers are wankers whether they wear the full kit or not. Lolz.
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Come come!
It’s a great party, and it’s MY party it can be your party too!
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Ooh yeah, we gonna rock that place, come on …
All we need is you.
BJ69
Feel for Berba. What a waste of talent and guile. Gutted it hasn’t worked out as we all hoped. When he signed no one would have predicted this would be the outcome.
Ha, Berba leaving United exactly like he joined us. With some drama close to deadline day.
I am not one to critisize anyone for making a family oriented decision, but to snub Juve for Fulham? I am dumbfounded. The kids will be ok Berb! Turin is a beautiful town. Join them. We don’t want to face you.
As for Fiorentina, they are right. Berbatov didn’t deserve to wear a shirt previously worn by the saint Adrian Mutu. Got to love sour grapes.
Ok I understand ND58 was created so some posters had an alternative to ROM for whatever reasons but I’m a little confused if the idea is to create something different why plug it on ROM wouldn’t the forum end up with the same posters?
Godd chance TK99 and Tobbs are the same poster,although its not that obvious
Evan’s looks like he’s ready to start this weekend, played all 90 and played well and Evra better be looking over his shoulder, that boy Buttner is a player!
Costas – maybe berbatov loves the premiership, that italian football is not his cup of tea, that he won what he needed to be won at united. Yes fulham is a step down, but if its a good team, it is hard to leave the premiership for a very dull league
Berbatov is a cunt for doing what he did.If he did what he did to fiorentina to us we would all be fuming.Classless.Why agree a deal then go back on your word?Classless
T4M – 1st of all no one knows what he has or hasn’t done. 2nd maybe United couldn’t agree a fee with Fiorentina. 3rd dont call Berba a cunt, he may be surplus to requirements here but he’s always been classy and a true professional.
Blurt! Vomit … wretch .. vomit … fart, shit, burp, vomit.
Anyone remember that classless cunt Roy Keane? When he went back on his word and joined United instead of Blackburn?
@FITB
Yeah but he was joining the top dog in that league mate. He had a chance at playing Ch.League football. And it’s a league that suits him more than the Premiership. But like I said, if it’s a family decision, I understand but disagree with it.
tomorrow the draw of Champions League group stage
i think we can win it at Wembley this year
barca are shit this year,
classless – not showing obvious signs of belonging to a particular social class.
Have to say will miss the berb. Couldn’t help hoping until the last moment that he would stick around. He was something…
Berba has shown he is many things, gifted, technical, etc, but to call a man who has shown respect for United even when we have treated him badly classless is fucking stupid. I know your just a WUM mate so I will leave it there…
On topic….. maybe his wife prefers fish n chips to PIZZA? lol
BUT SHE’LL BE MISSING OUT ON GELATO!!!!
anyone hear about Neymar going bankrupt LOL
Fairplay berbatov do wahtsbest for you and your family..in the words of old blue eyes “i did it my way” thanks for the overhead kick againts the pool..
QPR have signed Julio Cesar from Internazionle.
Sparkly!
To fight for your place you have to be given a chance. Unfortunately Berba had no chance . So its only right he should be allowed to move on.
It did escape my mind that united wouldn’t want to do any business with juve. I liked del piero but They lack class as they’ve shown with pogba. Fulham are a good team, very difficult to play against them, especially at the craven cottage. Martin jol will build his team around berba, the bulgarian will slot into the team. Probably one of a rare few players who will make decisions based on what’s best for them, that’s what Berba has done. Good fortune to him, just hope he doesn’t turn up anytime united face fulham, thank you very much. ha!
Whatever he does, wherever he ends up, he was worth 30 odd mill just for the 19th Title Win. We saw an overhead kick against Liverpool and all sorts! Nobody should let regret whitewash his accomplishments, he’s already cemented himself in our history regardless of the higher hopes we all had.
So, Berbatov we salute you! But no funny business when we visit the Cottage aye? Ta.
@JC
Finished rimming Roo yet?
What a goal by Ronaldo making Pique look like a donkey with a superb flick.
The berb is straight class! Never seen a footballer with the same grace on and especially off the pitch! People like Pogba should learn from him… Best of luck in the future
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Aug/champions-league-draw-preview.aspx
i have a feeling that we will get dortmund or juve
i don t understand why a team like dortmund are in pot 4
juve in pot3!!
I have to say i fucking hate dumb united fans that dont know what out club stands for. We bring in the barclays premier league player of the year (whilst at the same time substantially weaken a rival team), the bundesliga player of the year, a highly promising left back as back up for evra, englands next big midfielder at the tender age of 18 and an 18 yr old chilean who has admirers from all around the world and is fully expected to reach the heights of some of the greatest strikers to currently walk the planet. And your fucking annoyed that we dont get fucking dembele from fulham!?!?!?! I prefer a fully fit anderson as he happens to wear the shirt of the team i love along with the brilliant ball control and passing of cleverly, the great vision and positioning of carrick, the overwhelming potential of tunnicliffe, petrucci, powell, lingaard and the greatness of paul scholes who is in no need lf an introduction. Maybe some of you should step back and take a look at some of our history, most notably our homegrown lads .. And as for you t4m, stop wasting our oxygen
bebe not even in u 21 squad tonight
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Aug/michael-carrick-says-manchester-united-want-to-make-amends-in-europe.aspx?pageNo=1
How have city managed to get in pot 2 ahead of juve. City have no European pedigree whatsoever!
If berbatov is this class A superstriker why aren’t the barcas, reals and europes finest after him.
Even with a five million price tag we are strugling to offload him
face it he has the skills but he lacks heart on the feild
in other words “berba is shit”
So dumbele has a decent game against us and everybody wants him now like he is some legend.
Face it
none of you know better than the great fergie
in other words “Dembele is shit”
oh come on why did we not trade berba and get dembele??!! he rag dolled our mid and is mad nice on the ball. big strong all rwady a finished product and spurs picked him up for a mere 15mil!!!!!!
@ Dan-young, you rocks dude. It’s about time our spoiled fans get a kick in the ass.
@ iced earth, if not mistaken, there’s a limited amount of 21++ players can be fielded in the U21 match.
Berbatov was brought to EPL by martin jol, it’s not a rocket science to figure out why he’d prefer Fulham over the lure of Juve.
I’m either really tired, easy to amuse or this shit is actually funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiTmzg2uL9Q&feature=relmfu
and yes it is way out of left field.
while on the subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkWkCXHVbpg&feature=relmfu
You know that feeling you got as a kid when your parents left you alone at home for the first time .
#ROM Alone wohooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!
This is the last one I swear!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV96B1K8Ba4&feature=related
Berbatov has to go, he is not being given any kind of chance at United anymore. There were times last season where I was actually sick to my stomach that Fergie was bringing on other players and leaving him sit there. Not to mention the lad was top scorer in 10/11 and was left out of the champions league final completely. He fought for his place long enough but no matter how well he does, Fergie just does not give him any chance.
I hope he does well wherever he ends up. All the best Berba! I’ll never forget the hattrick against Liverpool (esp. that sublime overhead kick), the five goal performance against Blackburn and your general ability to score beautiful goals!
One of the classiest players to wear the United shirt and the club treated him like dogsh*t.
Time will tell whether he crossed SAF and burnt his bridges, but it genuinely doesn’t seem that way. I fail to understand SAF’s apparent falling out of love with Berba, to the point that it looked like he was deliberately not picking him because of some vendetta or other.
For me this has been a shameful mistreatment of a very talented and classy player.
Martin Jol was the person who brought Berbatov into the limelight, so I don’t think there is anything wrong with Berbatov going back to the same person.
Like I said before, call me sick but I hope Berbatov comes back to haunt us.
WTF is wrong with you people? Shameful mistreatment? Just because he isn’t in the greatest manager of all time’s plans anymore? He’s being paid 110k a week Im sure he’s doing just fine. And hoping that he comes back to haunt us? Go have another one and type again once you’re sober. No player is more important than the club or should be wished to get some sort of revenge on it. He’s a very talented footballer who for whatever reason just doesn’t fit into how the manager wants to play. He has always been classy and has never once said a bad word against the club or his supposed shaby treatment thus proving his class. As with any former player, I wish him well at his new club but I sure as hell hope he doesn’t have a good game against us!
Fare thee well Berb.Thanks for all the goals and the thrilling moments you gave us.Memories galore never to be forgotten.
p.s please guys stop advertising the other forum on STR,s blog.Post away but to keep reminding us of ND58 is just despicable and abhorrent.Hope i wount be attacked for this opinion.
Fulham ? Good choice with family issues als involved.
Good luck Dimitar.
‘shameful mistreatment of a very talented and classy player.’
do not agree. .didn’t fit in the managers plans. should’ve been sold last year. it isn’t like he was abused or anything.
true he’s classier than some of the players that have left us, but seriously, stop this wank-fest.
TK99 says:
To be honest that just add salt to the wound. I thought Dembele was magnificent against us at Old Trafford and i do believe everyone who follows United knows that we need such a player . With Today prices i think 15 m for a player like him is a bargain and to know that Berba could have used in that deal to get him and was still ignored is simply frustrating .
dembele is an okay player.. and no we do not NEED him, he’d play in place of cleverly/anderson. both of whom dominated the midfield for the first half vs fulham and had pass completions of over 90%. he shone through when we slacked off. if fergie wanted him, he’d have got him.
‘d rather we give tunni petrucci etc a chance. there’s also the hope of fletch coming back.
so no. we don’t exactly need anyone till next year.
oh and since im not on it. and won’t be on it.
for me
ROM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ND58 (or whatever)
Just to clear the air,im all for ‘variety’ when it comes to sharing opinions and those who mooted the new forum christened ND58 are well within their rights in doing so,what i find offending is the persistent reminder selling the new forum on another persons blog.Sparkz who happens to be a poster here started his own blog and enlightened people on here about it by posting the link which is fine.I haven’t seen him constantly reminding us about it as he realises it would be disrespectful to Scott.I believe everyone now knows about ND58,so stop the adverts please.Did i say please?
Yeah PLEASE!!!
Well done Ronnie for putting those cunts to the sword.Seems like Fergie was right in saying teams only have a four year cycle of domination.On another note i think the Arsenal jinx has reared its ugly head on Barca.Fabreagas n now Song and Barca are winning fuck all trophies.Hahaha
@Shebangsthedrums
I believe the main criteria is how well you’ve performed in European competitions in the last 5 years. In that respect, City have more points in the UEFA rankings than Juventus.
Speaking of which, I think it’s imperative that we do well this season. Because this is the last season where our highly successful 07-08 Ch.League campaign will come into play.
If this is a reaction to Juve and Pogba then credit to the Club?! Acting like slighted school girls again? Maybe, but get in to United then! Was hoping for European footie for Berba, but don’t care as he and his wife are compete class in my view. Only the best for them. Fergie make it so.
Please stop yapping about Drembele. Wasn’t what we needed and we are developing Clevers and Tunni. Done. Move on.
The box-to-box midfield we have been waiting for will seem to be kept on the waiting list for a long time, as TBH I was impressed with Dembélé’s work-rate and thought may be, but just may be, SAF would send a bid for him, alas he’s gone and for not too much as well given his qualities. At least we could have gone for Witsel or even Fellaini. Yes we have Ando and Clevs to do this job as well, but if we really want to win a trophy this season it should have been a bid made for one of those men mentioned above. More impact on the game and experience at playing a higher level game.
Berba’s time at Utd is over, and even if he stays on I cannot see him start unless in some Carling cup games and since he’s someone who loves to play instead of only sitting down and get the money at the end of the week, his decision to leave is respected. Lets hope RvP stays injury free until Rooney is back, else am not betting soley on the likes of Chicharito and Welbeck to earn us trophies (don’t get me wrong here, they are good players, but not good enough so far to put all hopes on them)… In fact I was recently talking with a friend, who supports the scousers, and he told me that nurturing home grown talents is a very good thing, but to give in to Welbeck’s demands for a new contract was absurd, as according to him we could have invested this money on someone more prolific rather than a player who’s more likely to score about 10 goals a season. I did question myself on that and later agreed to whatever he said as I barely see Welbeck give us the same goal ratio as an Aguero or even Berba to be frank, same applies for Chicharito. But still they are young lads who can learn and expand their talents.
Cheers Costas and good morning. Juventus have been poor in Europe in recent years but I’d still rate them a better Euro team than city.
@Shebangsthedrums
You’re welcome. I do agree with you. It’s just how UEFA’s stupid point system works. And what’s also stupid is the fact that Europa League performances are taken into consideration. That’s why City are in pot 2 when they really should be in pot 3 or 4.
Wouldn’t have minded seeing Berba and RVP in the same team, just for a couple of games. Now Wayne is injured, surely there must be some opprtunity for half a game in the next few weeks.
@JC
I am sober. Precisely because I want the best for Berbatov and United, thats why Fulham is a good choice. He gets to play for the man who made him famous again, he gets to show everyone how good he is, by playing well against us AND EVERYONE ELSE.
Berba a classy player
But never really fitted in our team
That’s why I’m happy to see his back
lordrt – welbeck is entering his second season at the highest level, he’s still learning. He’s all round game has shown he has the potential to be a regular at united. His finishing will get better as he gains more composure and i reckon he could score more than 10, he’s learning amongst top players and coaches, what he sees and what he’s told will be applied to improve his game as he’s not the finished producin like 40million experienced player like aguero, unfair comparison.
Regarding his contract situation. surely, if the manager deems him unworthy of it, he won’t be giving it to him?.
hernandez on the other hand seems to be suffering from the fact his all round game still isn’t top notch to make him a serious threat to the other 3 forwards. The goals aren’t flowing as They once did and that means his weaknesses will be highlighted. I feel he could link play more and time his runs better but generally, i see him more as an impact player from the bench and i think manager will too if his all round play isn’t improving. Still though, welbeck and hernandez are far from done, i would expect them to hopefully improve at whatever needs improving, the demands at united is huge, the pressure is testing.
Just to show how competitive that forward line is. macheda looked sharper last night, henriquez is a wonderful, supremely talented striker and will keane returning soon from injury. What i know for sure is, no one is guaranteed a place and if every player plays their maximum and fighting like bull terriers ripping the head of a sewer rat then i’m delighted, it will only improve every player.
I also know our league cup squad will be strong this season, talents who all want to show what they have. they’ll get chances in the fa cup too and i hope they grab it.
@samuel
“surely, if the manager deems him unworthy of it, he won’t be giving it to him?”
Welbeck’s signed a new deal mate. 4 years.
Couple of typos there that aren’t to my liking, the joys of typing too fast.
36 hours left to get a midfielder – madness if we dont
Carrick – good but not world class
Cleverley – started 6 league games for us ! To me duplicates Kagawa too much
Anderson – injury prone, inconsistent, no evidence of sustained high qulaity
Fletcher – should not be relied upon – illness can flare up at any time – unlikely to be back at same level
Scholes/Giggs – legs gone, great bench players
Tunnicliffe – could not get a regular game at Peterborough
Powell – 18 – miles away yet
Is that good enough? Honestly?
My only hope is that Jones can somehow be converted to provide some power and pace in there – he did well in 3 games he had that role and was never used there again
Kanchelskis – i know mate, i was just saying that if the manager thought he didn’t deserve the new contract then he won’t get it?
Is this done deal?
Then, mersi Berbatov! specially those hat-trick on 19 September 2010.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk4nye_dimitar-berbatov-hattrick-vs-liverpool_sport
Great attitude, never grumpy even though he deserve play time.
Shinji Kagawa was named to Japan’s 23-man squad for a World Cup qualifier against Iraq on the 11th of September at Saitama Stadium.
Japan will also play a friendly against United Arab Emirates on the 6th of September.
mig78 & iced earth
A maximum of three over-age players may be selected to the U21 side.
samuel – but am still not convinced about Welbeck, he seems to have reach his peak already, however macheda could provide some arguments up front if he’s given a chance, I see Welbeck more like a wing-forward than a real striker, may be if he’s played more in that position he could impress more
well in all that, where’s the Berba ending up? EPL or Serie A as stated before?
I’m pleased that RoM’s readership has steadily increased over the last two weeks.
I wonder, is the increase in spite of the loss of some frequent posters, or because of it?
I guess that the dramatically reduced polarization of new posters by those who thought they were the ‘protectors of the blog’ has played it’s part. Long may it continue.
Personally, I welcome all new posters. Sure there can be a learning curve, but we all went through it, and we’ve all said silly things at one time or another.
Onwards and upwards, United we stand.
As Ive said all along – Berbatov going is a big mistake. Not by him because he’s not getting the time here and he’s been treated a bit shitty which isnt what I expect from United or the boss but because of the players we have he has the most skill, he is the most composed, hes the hardest to rid the ball from and most definately the best at threading a ball through from the edge of the area.
I just cant believe we would go with Rooney over Berbatov. In my eyes thats going with Caroll over Torres. You may laugh at Torres and his silly misses but you wouldnt be surprised if he came up with a 35 goal season.
Thanks for everything Berbatov, its just a shame that we still play the british way of playing and cannot come to terms with thought and skill. It seems you are either 10 years out of date or 10 years too soon, footballs in a bit of a lul, wrong place wrong time.
To be honest i would’nt be surprised to see macheda go out on loan again, given the competition for places up front, welbeck could do with improving is goal input, but he has that physical presence and a great work ethic, i beleive he’ll continue to improve.
Macheda flatters to deceive … at best our 5th choice striker and could be gone in the summer
lordrt – good morning. How does it seem that Welbeck has reached his peak?
Did his performance level off for a few weeks?
Surely a much longer spell (3 years?) in the doldrums is required before one can say with any confidence that Welbeck “seems to have reach his peak already” ?
@DreadedRed
I’ve been out of the country for a week and a half. Which frequent posters have been lost?
lordrt – it’s up to us all to perceive players how we wish but at 21, welbeck is from his peak. He’s not the finished product and there’s more to come. We don’t really play a system of wing-forwards so welbeck will have to cut it as a centre forward, which i have no doubt that he can, although he’s versatile and technically good enough to get occasional role on the wing. I say Place less pressure on him, we already have proven strikers, therefore he can be allowed time to continue his development. I think he’ll eventually bag goals, composure is needed and he’ll get that.
Regarding macheda, i still don’t think he’s ready for a regular berth yet. He’s 20, has suffered injuries and misfortune with strange loan spells but he can still come good. The talent is there as the manager continues to emphasise, he sees the potentials more than fans do. Patience is key in football.
Goat …agree in parts but would rather keep Berba and Rooney together and as you …feel Berbs was never given a chance. Chico was on fire when he first came but to my eyes is now caught offside too often, Macheda scored a great game saving goal against Villa and is too often played out wide and I would play Berba before both of them… Shame he is going… Wish I could get a job for Utd being paid K110 weekly to watch us play from the best seat in the house ….
Far from his peak*
Dreadedred… It’s nonsense to suggest that Rom traffic has increased due to some regular posters leaving… I know you have had issues with some in your previous usernames but I have been assured that most of the regulars are taking a sabbatical from ROM as always on the start of a season ROM always attracts new posters and old coming back albeit with changed usernames.
Same old same old.. Some stay some go ….
By the bye … Your puke vomit post was brill … shame the twat didn’t realise you was taking the piss
kanchelskis – good day sir! I noticed your absence, good to have you back mate.
Some posters declared that RoM’s open format is no longer acceptable to them. They wish to control access to the blog/forum they frequent. I cannot precisely state with any confidence all the names of those involved. I can state that the outspoken RoM locals that have pushed us to attend the new blog are Cedars, Jeet, and mufc4life. Gentle coaxing has come from Clint-Iamyourpapii and Zibbie. It seems that MG devised the name. I guess that Mike, James and Giggs12 are supporting them, without attempting to use RoM for free advertising, which is commendable
Good luck to them, as long as they refrain from wanking their blog on our internet home – RoM.
Goat – The carroll torres comparison used to measure the gap between Rooney and berba is way over the top. I think i’ve always championed berba, he was rightly the most technically gifted forward at the club until VanPersie showed up but we also know that you need more to have a sustained spell at the highest level. I don’t think he quite suited united’s all action style, he plays the game at his own pace which is admirable but the premier league will nullify that. Do i consider him a flop? definitely NOT, great talented player at the wrong club? yes. I think Berba also knows he could have imposed himself more but competition is so rife at united that your place can be seized without your knowledge. Berba will still grace the premierleague, you can only wish him the best (i’ll still hope vidic marks him out of the game if we come up against him). His situation could have been dealt with a little better but when the other players fit into the system the manager wants, he tends to stick with that. Berbatov was a victim of that.
After saying all that, he still has written his name into united’s history with moments of genuine brilliance, maybe not as cantona but not many can.
Hey TonyBee, glad someone picked up on my ‘vomit, fart, belch’ post, cheers!
It is actually not nonsense to suggest that traffic is up. It is up by 100+ readers.
Comments are down slightly, as those who are absent were garrulous posters (like me!)
I’m sure they will all be back contributing here soon enough. Once the abuse of RoM for free advertising stops, I hope that both blogs/forums can co-exist amicably. We all love United, and we all love talking about it. There is no doubt that top quality posters like G12, Mike and James are sadly missed.
Dreaded Red – Believe that is 3 overage outfield players + 1 Goalkeeper.
I think this is well out of order…
A Fiorentina statement criticised the 31-year-old for failing to arrive in Florence after they paid for his flight to finalise the move.
“He’s not worthy of our city, our shirt and the values it represents. The player embarked in the company of his agent and with tickets paid by Fiorentina on a direct flight to Florence. But the player never arrived in Florence. At this point we are happy that he did not come to Fiorentina.”
I think Berba has acted impeccably with regards Manchester United. He could have agitated or been difficult, but he’s shown the upmost respect for the club. With this in mind, I think Fiorentina’s comments are harsh. This will probably be his last move and I think he has the right to make sure its the best for him and his family.
U21 coach Joyce was pleased with Evans’ contribution last night:
“It’s great to see him back and he’s come through unscathed,” he stated. “He’s done it properly and got tackles and headers in, moved the ball around and looked good.”
Atin – thanks for that correction, it seems you are right.
An over 21 keeper plus 3 over 21 outfielders may form part of the squad.
Raimond van der Gouw has monitored Alex Büttner’s progress chart at Arnham, where Schmeichel’s former understudy has been goalkeeper coach:
“Alex was Vitesse Arnhem’s Player of the Year last season and deservedly so.”
Much more at:
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1587576_robin-van-persie-alex-buttner-will-be-star-out-of-left-field
@DreadedRed
From the names you mention, I think one thing we can surmise is that from here onwards the discussions under blogposts are generally going to be more related to football … or is that too much to ask for do you think?
kanchelskis – It probably is too much to ask for, but hope springs eternal!
Personally, I don’t mind some banter on non-football topics, but not when they overpower the football-related submissions. If we are all chatting jokingly about miscellanies, and someone posts a view on United or football, their comment can be missed or lost in the babble. We should probably make a point of addressing the on-United-topic posted views, and we should definitely not swamp them with drivel.
Dreaded: Büttner was an Ajax player as well and several of the trainers there have said good things.
If there is a question, it is about his ability to pull out of a tackle and whether he will be a card/pen liability at EPL or CL level. One can only speculate on such things and the lad will be willing to listen at a club like ours. Others have questioned his commitment because he chose to leave Ajaz for Vittesse “simply” because of his tight kit family not wanting to move. Think that is a question for a 16 year old, and maybe we can move on with a 23 year old. Future is bright.
Kancgekskis For ROM? Bit of a stretch one would have to imagine
@DreadedRed
Completely agree that miscellanies and banter are all part of the fabric and I don’t have anything against that.
But it’s when
- bitch fights
- lengthy, idiosyncratic and entirely irrelevant conversations between small groups of friends
- the same posts we’ve seen 1000 times before
- hate posts
intrude, and even come to dominate the comments section, that I completely lose interest and understand perfectly well why newcomers are put off.
Possible solutions include
- post limits
- locking email addresses to usernames
- banning
but they won’t happen. Scott has a hands-off approach to the comments section. That’s his prerogative and I don’t blame him.
But it’s frustrating that what is such a great website for information, insight and opinion has a comments section that doesn’t quite match up.
We have in our stiker department
The finisher – Hernandez/
The targetman – Welbeck
The technician – Berbatov/Rvp
The all rounder – Rooney
Where Macheda fits, I’m not sure, which I suppose is his problem, he does not excel in specific areas, and his all round game also needs improving. But he is young, still in with a chance if Berbatov goes
FletchTHEMAN – I agree. Ajax is definitely one of the best Clubs on the planet for a young player to learn his trade. Of course, the best products leave Dutch football for Leagues with more money (and therefore more quality. Leaving Ajax does not make a player a ‘failure.’
I also agree that at 23, Alex is mature enough to adapt to a change of home.
The future is looking up for Büttner, and for United!
Just when you thought it was safe to send the kids back out on the street….. Andy Gray puts his 2bits in on Rooney getting the ax.
http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2012/08/andy-gray-manchester-united-wayne-rooney-uncertain-future
Help us!
kanchelskis – your comment at 11:25 is totally valid.
I suppose that allowing all-comers has its drawbacks and its positives. We get an unfiltered appreciation of the the views that occupy our multi-national minds. We then get the opportunity to debunk the baseless or incorrect opinions. The downside being that we have to wade through self-serving hypocrisy and blatant ABUism.
I think we have the mental fortitude and logical ability to make a positive impact on the fence-riders that might otherwise fall off into the ‘wrong field’!
Impressed with what i seen of buttner lasnite, looks a confident player, when in possesion of the ball, very illusive, made some good defensive headers too.
ex TAOT:
MUTV/Manutd.com Programme editor Paul Davies views on Büttner’s debut:
“It was his first full 90 minutes of the campaign after playing little part in pre-season forVitesse Arnhem, but rather than tire he seemed to grow as the game progessed. First impressions? Very committed, quick, always looking to get forward and made a real contribution by heading off the line late on. Steady rather than spectacular – but isn’t that what you want from your full-backs?”
Mark – I disagree, do not let his behavior towards united cloud the judgement of the way berbatov acted, if we were on the verge of buying berbatov, we paid for his flight, and then he decided afterwards he did not want to join us, we would have enough to say
Roy Hodgson has included Michael Carrick, Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck in his 24-man England squad for the World Cup qualifiers against Moldova (away on Friday 7 September) and Ukraine (at home on Tuesday 11 September.)
Can we put in a clause for Berba not to play us when we go Fulham? I’m worried about his languid style.
Believing the anti-Berbatov reports without checking under the pasta is foolish.
Buttner is an asset to United and I think he will soon prove his worth.
Dreadedred.
I haven’t really gone anywhere, I actually read the blog every day and laugh at some of the drivel but mainly some good points are posted. You mentioned me so I felt a reply was due. Personally I don’t feel the need to promote another Utd blog or forum, there are many out there and I spend enough time trying to promote my buisness.
I have to thank ROM for introducing me to fellow reds who I have met on matchdays for a beer, Mike, Giggs12 and King Eric even Devil 310 from the U.S. Anyone is welcome to pop along and say hello.
Thanks for the kind mention.
I will say that it has always been said that after about 100 comments on topic anything goes. The posters who have decided to walk away are not the only ones who have attacked new posters or existing ones, there are still a few on here that are equally as guilty. I hate liars, cheats and down right snide back stabbers but maybe I have let my personal feelings cloud my judgement in the past but that is part of being human.
One thing we have is we are all reds. Utd Utd Utd.
As far as Fiorentina Viola are concerned I couldnt give a rats arse if Berba got a free flight out of them and never showed up. What goes around comes around. Fiorentina and Juventus are scum bag clubs who cheat there way through their scabby arse excistances. Berba screws with them, kudos Berba.
About Andy Grays article. Not totally down to Gray but why does he seem to believe like others that Rooney and the boss have had a falling out. They have a proffesional relationship not a fucking marriage. Rooney isnt expected to be a yes man nor is he supposed to be the go to man for advice on tactics and team selection. He is a player and he follows instructions, when he talks to the boss its amicable as it should be but it isnt “daddy daddy tell me about the time you won the league with Aberdeen” only to see Rooney curled up on uncle Alexs knee. So where does this falling out come from. Why do fans and reporters seem to believe that there is some familly like atmosphere where everyone sits round the same table for dinner like that old scouse sitcom Bread.
Another thing, why is anyone using the excuse that Rooney is tired from the Euros – he hardly played. one and a half matches all summer and hes fucked? That cant come into any excuse or otherwise Giggs and Cleverley amongst others would be just as fucked.
Another thing. Why do people believe that Rooney was benched because of “one bad game”. He wasnt benched because of a mediocre performance against Everton, he was benched because of half a year of stale play where he became the focal point but didnt know what to do that was special with the ball when he got it. He was playing like Darren Bent trying to be Cantona but thought better of it mid stream ending up being Darren Bent. Sure goals would come here and there, I think I could score for United with the talent around me even if it was people shooting at me trying to get a lucky deflection. Rooney needs time to realise that being a superstar footballer craves staying late at the training ground. Cantona wasnt who he was by going home and playing x-fucking-box. Beckhams free kicks werent brilliant because of Twitter or Pepsi and Ronaldo wasnt the player he was by selling aftershave and appearing on magazine covers. Shape up Rooney and I dont mean fitness or your bulk – I think you are fine as you are, even smoke the odd ciggie, I kind of like the rebelious image – I mean shape up your bloody mind and get back to WORK.
Goal.com is saying United will have to contribute to his salary at Fulham. Why in the world we do that?
Family is family and all, but honestly?!
FTM…
It had better not be because we aren’t city!! Would be a very strange scenario/deal. So desperate to get him out that we’d fund(albeit partly) his continued ‘absence’
fergie is the boss — In the grand scheme of things, I don’t think the cost of a couple of flights are really going to trouble Fiorentina too much. He’s not their player until he signs on the line. I know he’s not blameless, but i think “He’s not worthy of our city” is a bit harsh. Although it may have been lost in translation. United have missed out on players before, Fergie may bemoan the situation, but I don’t think he’d go that far.
DreadedRed – good morning buddy. well not that its reached it peak, may be I wrote it wrongly, but it was like an illusion type of reference to that…
normally with young players one tends to expect them to show quality skills as the games go on, like for Welbeck whenever he plays I wait for him to do some incredible actions, like that sweet first touch of Berba even if the ball is hoofed at him, but only see Welbeck either control it too far away of miss it, things like this. With young players usually given their freshness and stamina, you would expect them to surprise you in the right way, something which Welbeck showed only a few times unfortunately so far, but yet, am still looking forward for him to increase his abilities, and playing alongside RvP would only do him good
Another fucking transfer fiasco at UTD. Surely the club knew that Fulham were interested in Berba why the fuck did they not say you can have Berba + £9/£10m if we can have Dembele. Yet again we are going to have a season whereby we have no one who is powerful enough in midfield to deal with Fellani, Toure and Dembele! Never mind Europe! Or are we planning on Anderson getting bigger (but sadly slower) to deal with this type of midfielder. He was puffing and blowing on Saturday after 60 minutes so I have no confidence that he is going to come good this season – we have waited long enough for his so called potential to be realised.
SAF has never had a problem with Rooney’s training, comes early stays late. SAF has called him one of the hardest workers. I understand the Rooney concern. He did look lost the last 3rd of the year, when MUFC had no amf players. He was the mf link to himself. Sitll 35+ goals more points and goals then the winning season the year before.
Goat I do wear rose color glasses on Rooney that is for sure. He is at an odd cross roads of sorts. I see that.
Love you funny ass take on every thing you do.
This time off Rooney needs to heal right.
Come back with fight.
See how his game will fit with the new.
Red Keighly …. Probably because SAF dont want Dembele … If the boss rated him and wanted him a swap could have been arranged.. Agree with your Ando comment though
The Dembele in the other field is better than the Carrick in our own field.
As for Berbatov… we’ll have to face him once I guess. Hope he doesn’t give us a torrid time then, he is very adept at finding space for himself as he doesn’t attract much attention to himself.
PS: Can never forget his pirouette assist to CR. Unforgettable, ranks right up there in my memory.
Mark – yea and united fans have called them cunts, before DDG was signed, when he was unsure if to sign for united, I read loads of united fans on here call him all sorts of things, so fans have been fickle towards players possibly snubbing us, and have done
Berbatov was dreadful for us. Thank God he is out the door. 3m to Fulham- says it all.
Red Keighley @ 14:27: “Another fucking transfer fiasco at UTD. Surely the club knew that Fulham were interested in Berba why the fuck did they not say you can have Berba + £9/£10m if we can have Dembele. Yet again we are going to have a season whereby we have no one who is powerful enough in midfield to deal with Fellani, Toure and Dembele!”
Give it a rest. SAF doesn’t want “that kind of player” – maybe because he has other ideas and those ideas have won a truck-load of championships and trophies. Also, if you watched the beginning of last year – before YoungTom was injured and then Anderson got crocked – and you watched the match last weekend then you can see how he wants the midfield guys to play: fast, incisive, one-two passing. Demblele/Fellaini/Toure aren’t the right “role models” for the style of play in which KagawasBunga will be the creative fulcrum – Pirlo, Iniesta and Xavi are.
brett1985 @ 19:40: “Berbatov was dreadful for us. Thank God he is out the door.”
Not true – he was disappointing but NOT dreadful. He had a great half-year (from August 2010 to February 2011) when his goals were instrumental in helping to win #19 but otherwise he was – got to say it ! – a-square-peg-in-a-round-hole. Good luck to him – he was always polite and professional; and, maybe, he was even more disappointed than any of us that his sojourn at OT was not what he wanted.
Denton Davey – I was very weary about the signing, as at the time I thought we did not need him. But that is a fair summary of berbatov, not dreadful, because he was key in the 08/09 season, and the 2010/11 season. And even that was a good return from the player, but out of his 4 seasons at the club, he was half disappointing.
@Denton
Don’t even dignify comments like that with a response, lol.
Denton Davey I appreciate what you are saying about “you can see how he (SAF) wants the midfield guys to play: fast, incisive, one-two passing.” Sadly Anderson at the moment is not capable of that type of game for more than 45 minutes if that – on Saturday many of us in SAF stand commented on how little running he was actually doing after playing a pass rather the hard running was been done by Cleverley and Kagawa.
I fully respect the contribution SAF has made to the club in terms of winning trophies but we won fuck all last year and we were totally outplayed and outclassed in the fucking Europa League never mind the CL. Carrick had a good season last year but he is not the most mobile of players and I hope I am wrong but I think we will be found wanting again in midfield when we play the top class sides in the PL and the CL.
James21 – perhaps one day fortune will find my way to Manchester, and then I would very much like to take you up on your gracious, open offer. Don’t hold your breath, I’ve a way to go.
You are steady on RoM, you are not judgmental and don’t serve your personal agenda.
Lively? Yes. Passionate? Yes.
Envied as a match going maniacal Manchester United man with a Reds-rocking mandate?
Absolutely!
Denton
Put any reasonable striker in United’s front line, given the service that one would expect and watch him score a bunch of goals. Berbatov did not fail that season but in reality it was no more nor less than I expected.
In the end my view is that he was dreadful which is maybe not an adjective which everyone will use but it reflects my view that he is not a united type player.
I’ll be honest. I think Berbatov has many personal failings but the real reason I have not taken to him is because we bought him at a time when one select purchase could have helped us to become one of the greatest sides of all time. Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez & ….
Berbatov for me was the first step on the way back down the hill and although we did well in the next few years (little thanks to a player who contributed nothing in the Champions League whatsoever) we’ve gradually regressed from an amazing team.
I think this is a fair assessment and although we are not there yet, the addition of Van Persie, is in my opinion transformative and I see us heading back to the top.
Oh and whilst Ferguson is not beyond reproach, I will give him credit for biting the bullet on this one. Taking a huge loss on this player cannot be easy. Let alone buying a not much younger 29 year old, for a huge fee to replace him. Surely this circumstance alone says it all about Berbatov whenever Ferguson has in the past found a significant for intelligent players like Sheringham.
brett1985 @ 21:52: “I will give him credit for biting the bullet on this one. Taking a huge loss on this player cannot be easy.”
That’s not how the “accounting” works – the player is “depreciated” each year of his contract so that at the end of his contract he has no “value”. Thus, UTD “wound down” their investment until it was only worth the value of his wages – and most of those were recouped by the sale. It’s a kind of zero-sum-game.
Anyhow, I wouldn’t go as far as you in denying Dimmy any value in his years at OT; sure, he’s disappointed us but only because we held him in high regard but he’s also “repaid” us by showing us glimpses of sublime skill AND scoring goals that were vital to securing # 19. If there’s any disappointment for me then it’s because i expected much, much more from him. But, alas, sometimes the magic doesn’t happen.
Berbatov is class. I wish him all the best. A lot of people say he didn’t do much for us but this isn’t true. The Bulgarian has 108 app and 48 goals which is nearly a goal for every game. Fergie didnt play him. Was he suppose to score whilst on the bench??
Great posts Denton Davey!
Berba is a classy player and person. Bit afraid because I do think that he is still class. We have 1 game against him this season, but otherwise I think he’ll end up in the upper end of the scoring race this season.
Denton Davey – another positive out of the berbatov signing, it drove tevez out of the club, so not bad signing after all hey
Denton:
You say that about the value but I’m seeing posts of people who clearly over value the player absolutely baffled at the fee. RVP was in the last year of his contract. You can see what kind of value a good player in the last year of his contract can attract. So I’m sorry but I do not buy into your assessment at all.
As for the season when he was top scorer, I reiterate that there was very little in that contribution which could not have been provided by any number of players. I do not credit him with being a special part of 19. He did his job for once and to that extent I’m not going to haul him over the coals. However, I wont be giving him special praise either.