The highest average attendance at Old Trafford over a league season was 75,826, set in the 2006-07 season.

Bred Red

All this talk, what are your sources?

Fergie has refused to be bent over the barrel and pay way over the odds for players, because teams with rich sugar daddy’s like Citeh and Real Madrid are spunking endless money

never paid over the odds, lets see shall we, veron, rio, berv and many many more. and how much have you spent in the last 10-15 years. so so bitter.

Tevez was available for 66 games last season.
Robinho was available for 49 games last season (he joined 7 games into the season)

Tevez started 32 games out of 66 games for you last season.
Robinho started 40 out of 49 games games for us last season.

Tevez was an unused sub many times for you last season.
Robinho was never an unsused sub for us and was only a sub ONCE.

You cannot take away our european games and still include yours to prove your “theory”, it’s ridiculous.

Face the facts rags, he is with us, you are hurt and no amount of covering that hurt with pathetic and incorrect “stats” that prove nothing will change that.

See you September 20th!
FERGIE SIGN HIM UP, FERGIE FERGIE SIGN HIM UP.

How come then SAF has admitted trying to get in touch with Tevez, and has been saying that he wanted him to stay? I assuming he won’t be shit, if he had stayed with you.

Now I have a MAJOR MAJOR issue with what is clearly a FALSE allegation. Half of those scores you put above are wrong.

Please refer to this link

http://www.premierleague.com/page/Statistics/0,,12306,00.html

(the Official Premier League page, surely they aren’t wrong)
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And you will see you claim is wrong for the Premier league for the Following strikers (actual score in brackets)

> Beattie 6 (7)
> Torres 13 (14)
> Carew 10 (11)
> McCarthy 9 (10)
> Martins 7 (8)
> Bendtner 8 (9)
> Benneyoun 7 (8)
> Van Persie 9 (11)

Now either state what statistics your ACTUALLY using, or don’t fabricate statistics. I don’t know whether to believe you, somebody who’s reputation so far on this topic doesn’t bode well, or ACTIM (the official statistics provider to the Premier League)….No wait I’m gonna go with ACTIM.

I gladly await your response

Here’s some goal ratios for you, looking at minutes played and goals scored:

Nevland – 233, 4 goals.
Arshavin – 857, 6 goals.
Saha – 971, 4 goals.
Beattie – 1119, 6 goals.
Bednar – 1235, 6 goals.
Drogba – 1276, 5 goals.
Mido – 1350, 6 goals.
Pavlyuchenko – 1352, 5 goals.
Jo – 1435, 6 goals.
Kalou – 1477, 6 goals.
Torres – 1515, 13 goals.
Carew – 1541, 10 goals.
McCarthy – 1378, 9 goals.
Martins – 1590, 7 goals.
Bendtner – 1661, 8 goals.
Benayoun – 1643, 7 goals.
Tevez – 1667 mins, 5 goals.
Roberts – 1720, 7 goals.
Owen – 1802 mins, 8 goals.
Defoe – 1806 mins, 10 goals.
Van Persie – 1943, 9 goals.

Interesting to see just how many shit players have a better goals to minutes ratio than the player you’ve just spent £25m on isn’t it.

“Given that Manchester City haven’t reached a cup final since 1981, chances of Tevez playing in 51 games for City this season are slim to none”

Now credit to you for finding a range of statistics. However one of the major sources of potential indicators of actions teams and performance throughout a season are the bookmakers. As these are companies that survive on the true and accurate interpretation of statistics. The bookmakers know when they are likely to lose money and set their rates to this effect. You will notice that the current betting on City to win a domestic trophy this season are 9-1, FA Cup (Man United only 4-1) and 9-1 for the Carling Cup (Man United only 6-1). Odds from Paddypower.com (check if you wish).
Now these companies haven’t become the mass institutions that they are for being wrong have they? So to be honest your ‘claim’ that my sides chances of reaching a major cup final being ‘slim to nothing’ is (professionally) very wide of the mark, and are not massively far from those of United. I believe in the progression that City are planning to make this season, and in this case past history isn’t really applicable, as we have not been in this situation before as a club.
Also looking at the facts it is a well known trend that the correlation between clubs finishing in the top and the amount of domestic trophies they win is very high. Now you also cannot argue that the general consensus is that we have a very high chance of finishing in the ‘top 4′, therefore also suggesting we have a chance of winning a domestic trophey, and would breaking a winning duck be important to Tevez? I believe so as you saw his passion when he kept West Ham up

Other betting sites affirm this notion as well

William Hill;
> FA Cup (12-1) 5th Highest from Premier League
> Carling Cup (9-1) 5th Highest from Prem

Betfred;
> FA Cup 12-1
> Carling Cup 9-1

Contenders? I think so. Clearly Tevez does as well.

He played in 51 games for United last season. City would have to reach the finals of both the League and FA Cup and Tevez would have to play in every single game for him to even equal the amount of appearances from last season.

1. Scott the ‘Red’ – Your Forum isn’t perfect. Not only is the article lacking in crucial reason, as your are basing it purely on statistics that are not do not tell the full picture. You have omitted (at your own admission) certain statistics, that to be honest suggests you are hiding something from us. If the statistics are available then all should be considered. Also by purely resting your whole article on statistics you have completely ignored extraneous variables (e.g. injuries, suspension etc, If you are going to use statistics to convince people please you all available). May I also point out that you are completely speculating that Tevez will not play much next season, and it appears in the absence of statistics that are not your own you resort to anedotes similar to that of some of your less intelligence posters, which I find incredibly dissapointing, considering you had actually created a well structured statistical point, however I left saddened by your resorting to childish insults such as “wasteland”. If you want to gain respect you mustn’t rise to the crap people will give you.

2. All United Fans – Now lets just clarify, if you are going to completely criticise Tevez for not scoring enough last season, then take a long hard look at yourself and consider what Owen did last season? Nobody on this Forum has even considered what Tevez did as an 18-20 year old in Argentina and Brazil, yet all of a sudden Owens disastrous spell at Newcastle is almost long forgotten and all that seems to be remembered is his hey day at Liverpool and Madrid. So if we are all to have a debate about Tevez lets talk about his Career and not just one season.

3. Why all the bitterness? – Basically footballs a hard game at the top, no matter who you are. The would be no shame in being sad at Ronaldo leaving, he was clearly a good player, we were all sad to see people like Paul Lake retire because of injury and Marc Viven Foe, and others such as Anelka who didn’t really care. But there was no “He didn’t score enough” etc….Your fans were clearly asking to “sign him up”, he was a good player and I’m sure you would have been happy if he stayed. The point is that this bitterness if pointless, you’ve signed some players of your own, can’t you be excited about them, rather than spending the sunny summer peering into the neighbours garden to see what new toys they have.

4. UNITED 24/7 Fck the Wife – Not only is user name completely and utterly unbelieveable, and I’m afraid that is something that transpires into your post. First of all in a practical sense you wish all our players get swine flu, however I would happily wager that you whinge until the cows come if we got special dispensation because of it. Secondly how can you wish something bad upon somebody and then say “as long as nobody dies!”, if your going to go back on yourself, do you not think that you would have been better off just writing something of actual value, rather than combing your bravado and ego.

5. Micky – I know plenty of Army lads, and used to be in myself. I know the stuff you guys have to go through and have been through it myself. I know, and you know there’s no need to rise to it, and the point it wanders off football, that’s when the world ‘stop’ comes into play. We all know its about the game, and to those of you that believe otherwise, is no fan of mine, regardless of club.

6. Finally – The rivalry we have between our clubs is a healthy one, and trust me its one I revel in, and football wouldn’t be the same without it, and I believe its just about to get a LOT more interesting, but lets not attempt to make it a vicious one. Personally I am looking forward to Tevez returning to OT!

Hope this all made sense, but I felt the need to let you know how I feel, as a City fan, which I am proud and will stay proud to be. I recommend that you all think about doing the same.