With England midfielders dropping like flies, more and more questions have been asked about why Michael Carrick isn’t going to the Euros. He has had a brilliant season for Manchester United but, as always, hasn’t received much recognition for this.
When Roy Hodgson announced his squad, eyebrows were raised when Carrick not only missed out but also didn’t make the standby. When asked about this, Hodgson revealed that Carrick had told the FA he didn’t want to be considered for England if he was just going to be given a minor role.
“I wouldn’t dream of putting Michael Carrick on a standby list after he’s made it clear in the past he doesn’t want to be involved like that,” Hodgson said. “I’d have to be convinced he was better than the four [central midfielders] I’ve selected, and that he’d be happy to come out of retirement.”
It was the first we had heard of him being in retirement but at least it made sense of Carrick’s absence but it is mad to hear that Hodgson rates Carrick as the 5th best English midfielder. Gerrard has had a nothing season for Liverpool, but is obviously one of the players Hodgson was planning to include ahead of Carrick, given that he has the captaincy. Liverpool, who finished in 8th this season, won 27% of their league games that Gerrard featured in but managed to win 45% without him. Parker got found out in the second half of last season as Spurs plummeted whilst Lampard had a mediocre season until the last month when he raised his game. Gareth Barry is the only player who would really argue he deserves a place over Carrick. It’s a subjective matter. For me, Carrick is a far superior to player to Barry, but the former Villa man must have been doing something right this season to hold down a place in the team that won the league. Essentially though, Carrick and Paul Scholes were the best performing English midfielders this season and neither of them will be on the plane to Poland.
Why should Carrick stand behind all those players in pecking order? For Hodgson to rate Gerrard and Lampard, who have been the heart of every England team that has failed at every recent international competition, is insulting. Why on earth would Carrick want to warm the bench whilst the press ask the age old question “can Lampard and Gerrard play together?” The answer is no and it’s alarming that Hodgson doesn’t get that. The fact that he rates Parker and Barry above Carrick as well is a joke.
“In English football sometimes it seems hard for people to rate those who instead of shining themselves make the team work as a collective,” Xabi Alonso said last November. “For example, Michael Carrick is a player who makes those around him play, regardless of the fact that maybe he is not the player that shines the most individually. ‘It is more important to find players who can build a team rather than simply finding two very good players and putting them in the team even if they don’t play so well together. I mentioned Carrick, but there’s Paul Scholes too – another player who maybe hasn’t had the career in the national team that he had at United.”
Obviously football is more than statistics but it’s still fairly damning that Carrick’s passing completion is superior to any of the midfielders selected. With a passing success of 90.1% this season, he outshines Scott Parker (89.5%), Frank Lampard (86.9%), Gareth Barry (86.4%), Jordan Henderson (83.9%) and Steven Gerrard (83.1%).
Still, Carrick hasn’t snubbed England, he just told the FA back in January that he didn’t want to be called up if he wasn’t going to play.
“The contact with Michael were actually conducted before I took the job and it was made clear to me that he wasn’t a player that wanted to be considered, so he wasn’t a player that I did consider,” Hodgson said today. “At the time, with all the senior players we had at our disposal, it wasn’t so important. Michael Carrick is a player that I have always admired and, who knows, in the future, if these type of injuries continue, he might have a very important part to play. But then I would have to go and speak to him, and I don’t think that was appropriate before these European Championships.”
Oh lucky Michael, I bet he can’t wait. After being picked to start for Manchester United by Sir Alex Ferguson week in week out for six years, winning four league titles and a European Cup, amongst other trophies, I’m sure he can’t wait for the day that Roy Hodgson tells him he can play for England because the players he rates more highly are injured.
You can stick your fucking England up your arse, Roy.
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best player in the world in his position
i don t understand why he is so under rated
It has been and always will be UNITED > England
Re the last sentence: “Here ‘abso-fuckin-lutely’ Here”.
Carrick 1 England 0
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2153363/Alex-Ferguson-promises-United-fans-dramatic-fight-regain-title-seasons-come.html
Can’t believe I used to like Roy Hodgson. Turns out he’s a complete fucking tool.
Icy – come on babes, show some respect for Scott and this fine article he has taken the time to write.
Absolutely LOVED the post!!
Last line made me LOL
Carrick is just getting off surgery for his persistant hamstring problem. He should just chill and work with the trainers over the summer. United would be blessed if more of our players were “overlooked” by England. How many injuries have our lads experienced on internationals duty. Better to send the lads that won’t be missed in the EPL title race…….. like Stevie Gerrard!
Henderson >>>. Carrick
Well at least that is what the FA want us to believe……..Corrupt set up that make the Syrian revolt look like work against angels
UNITED > England
fuck england tell the fai you have an irish grandparent and play for ireland!!!! we’d love to have such a technically gifted player in midfield
carrick stats 2011/2012
Average passing completion: 90.35%
interceptions (49)
clearances (35)
If the current England management cannot see the importance of having a player like Carrick in their set up then like STR says, ‘You can stick your fucking England up your arse, Roy’
I was shocked when Gerrard made the team and was made sick when Gerrard became captian. I mean as a midfielder he has no mobility, walking with the ball isn’t going to do the team anymore. How they overlooked and shunned Carrick is an utter disgrace.
I don’t care if he ever plays for England again. Extend his prime years for United instead.
SB
“I’d have to be convinced he was better than the four [central midfielders] I’ve selected” I stopped reading the article after this sentence.
Utd4life
Just another extension of the ABU profile that exists by the FA…..Disgusting really
and as far as your fucking colon
And that’s why ….
UNITED > Your National Team
Anyone have his full stats and have access to his rivals? I’ve seen them before in papers/blogs/news sites but can’t find specific ones. Passes, pass completion, minutes played, passes going forward/sideways/backwards, interceptions, tackles, and comparisons to Barry/Lamp/Parker/Gerrards..
Pretty sure I read that Parker has a bit better rate of tackles, but worse off for passing & interceptions, while Barry/Lampards/Gerrards aren’t close to even bother comparing.
Next up I can’t quite believe the FA had the control in this situation, perhaps Roy wants Carrick but has been told by the FA backstuff to keep his hands off and use shittier components instead? Do the FA actually want to win the Euros or do they have money to be made in various other channels?
WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!WOY HODGSON IS A SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!
this is the best shit ever….hope every united player picks a minor illness and misses da tournament……..
FUCK INGERLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Phelan being mentioned at Norwich and previously for West Brom. His time will come. Wish him well if he goes.
Who to step in.
Rene Meulensteen? Probably the bookies bet.
Ole Gunnar? Think he should stay in Norway for European experience and family.
Pep Guardiola? Not going to happen?
I would like to see the development guy at Dortmund !
Arguably United’s best player in a season when we lost the league on GD gets left out of his national side……..Fucking pathetic
Cedars. Hi mate. It is disgusting the way FA have treated UTD players over the years. Whether we like it or not, the english UTD players do want to play for their country because they are professionals and they want to attain glory at the international level but when the FA keeps appointing knobhead after knobhead (Erickson, Capello and now Woy Hodgson) every single time then these players have no choice but to retire. Every Tom, Dick and Harry knows that Lampard and Gerrard do not work together but have they changed it? Hell no. It’s just a small example of the FA picking players on name rather than form.
CedarsDevil true mate….but as i mentioned above we shud b celebratin really hope rooney gets a minor flu durin the tournament and is miraculously gets good just after fuckin ingerland gaet the shit kicked out of em
AGREE ON HUNDRED PERCENT!!!
Tim Howard with more Prem goals this season than Stewart Downing, although you can probably give Downing an assist for the sacking of Dogbreath
but that mug makes the Eng team… ye gads no matter who they hire as manager it’s always the same crap players.
Im starting to think that Hodgson, who is supposed to be manager doesnt actually pick the squads!! he just coaches them, thats what he’s there for, a face to take the shit off the media. Surely having watched the fucking awful football being played by England that at some point he must have thought ‘right fuck Gerrard, fuck Lampard, lets put in some other lads and see how they do’ but its the same shit, different day scenario. When we bought Carrick it was on the back of him having a good season but more so that he played brilliantly in the 2006 world cup when he played and England looked a shit load better. Gone have the days when players who deserved to play for the national team got picked, now its the players the FA want in the team that get picked, the ones who’s image makes money!!.
Unt4life
But Lampy and Steve 5 fingers are the future mate
When England are picking the likes of Barry and Parker above Carrick its time to retire. Carrick is exactly the style of continental player England need. Although I would change Carrick’s style of play he doesn’t use half the gifts he has. Parker and Barry will have just played in straight lines in the Euro’s and got murdered. Parker and his new partner will do and get massacred.
LOL . Gonna be funny.
i think the fact is,as we all kno,carrick isnt the typical england cm….u kno,frothin and runnin like a baboon…..so thats why they dont really aprreciate his technical side….if he was spanish or german i bet ya he wud start all matches..
By the way Belgium are 4/1 to beat SuperWoys England boys tomorow easy money.
Really don’t understand why people underate carrick so much. Got an arsenal friend who raves on and on about how underated and good alex song is and when I mention carrick he laughs, really don’t get it…
paramrooney
Not sure about your thought on Rooney getting an illness but I do agree with you…..Had Carrick not been English he would start for his side, more importantly had he not been a United player
Well said Scott. Spot on.
United > England
WTF………….. Y didnt we just make up some stupid surgery , send Carrick to the Operation room , play poker or something for an hour or two , get him out , say he needs to recuperate for a month , send him to Barbados ( or watever the Beach Carrick is at )
Saw a mention of Paolo Maldini on the other thread, let us not kid ourselves and compare him with any other player…………The man is a living legend
Off topic;
I’ve not been to see United for many years as I have to look after the wife as she is mentally ill (and she supports chelsea, need I say more?).
My daughter lives in America, and she is coming over in October with her yank husband who supports united, ever since he was a little boy he has dreamt of coming to Old Trafford.
I know the fixture list isn’t out yet, but what is the best way I can go about getting 4 tickets for a match when they are please ?
Any suggestions would be welcomed, my email is knightsmith@totalise.co.uk and my name is Trevor by the way. Regards to all !
Best of luck to reserves player Oliver Norwood. It is reported that he wants to look for more regular football and has turned down his contract offer from the club. (via several sources including Paul Bienkowski and confirmed by Oli’s twitter)
Nani says: “I have had five seasons at Manchester United and have won all the titles. Now I am really happy, but I don’t know about my future. Now I will study opportunities. Football is not only about England or Spain. It is possible to enjoy success in other countries. My agent is waiting on news about United. We have presented a counter-offer and now we are waiting on an offer from the club.”
Nothing untoward here, standard negotiations. Nani will of course stay at United.
Cedars- I’m very well, thank you and you?
I agree….nobody like Maldini
Better off without the averageness of England, Micheal. Concentrate on United!
You seem to be a agreeing to what liverpool fans had been saying under his tenure.Bad form scott
I think Roy has made the correct decision in not selecting Carrick – it means England will definitly crash and burn at the euros, and if that doesn’t put a smile on your face then nothing will.
LUHG
Ah ha Good Evening Manchester United
Well said day with Keane being knocked out for the year – was looking forward to him to step up
I hope he comes back better than ever – he has age on is side – a young gun so long time to go yet kid
On Carrick – well what can I say – Uncle Woy must watch football we don’t.
United
England…
Agree, that there’s no one like Maldini? Well, apart from his son. He’s a bit like him.
Evening MG
United>>>>England Oops this is not my country
I stopped being intersted in Woy’s England team the minute he picked John ‘the cunt’ Terry and dropped Rio. I hope the United lads have a good tournament but the rest can kiss my wooly ring-piece
Willie—-ha ha Paolo, il Capitano
G’day soren!
It’s okay soren – you may join in – we’re only talking football terms
Better men than me have sung it: ” You can stick your fucking England up your arse”…
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/video-happened-will-keane-manchester-united-england-u19-9-months-cruciate-knee-ligament-injury/
I’m actually glad “The Gerrardboys” will be a team of cunts. Comedy all summer!
When you look at the numbers handed out by the X-Dipper flop you start to understand something is wrong in his head.
Carrol preferd to Welbeck
Johnson preferd to Jones
Even including Barry in a team is poor judgement
Not to mention Terry… What a cunt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope Young doesn’t wear himself out!
Just wait for it. If they manage a draw and a narrow win (1-0) with Carrol scoring, they will be talking about starting Rooney on the bench for the 3rd game…
A midfield of Henderson and Gerrard “supported” by Johnson and tired Cashley… OMG Yawn!
MG
ahh ok…
This is rare, I know the England’s players more that my countrymen lol
Hope Carrick recharges his batteries for next season, fuck Woy and England. The more astute among will have realised I’m Welsh but I used to feel the same about Giggsy playing for Wales, United first everything else second.
eh beg to differ there are and probably will ever be two good MF’s ingerland have scholesy(he is legendary )n Wilshire (the best there’s of his age)Carrick?(Mr I rival my defenders with back passes!)oh pliz, seriously he’ll never be a united legend no matter how many backings he’ll get from fergie or phelan or his sympathizers not good enough and never will 4 united,
UNE 1, 2012 AT 18:51
paramrooney says:
Really? Which Spanish player would you drop for him, Xavi, Alonso or Iniesta?
soren
That’s a good one! Mind your still good on Mexican cuisine right
Wot a Fucking pathetic decision.
Stick ur England up ur ass.
United > England.
I’m not English and don’t really care but that current England side looks very mediocre. There’s a possibility they might be humiliated in Euro 2012.
Maldini, to this day he was the best I have seen. What a dude.
Northwalesred – You’re Welsh? Never would’ve guessed…….
Belting post Scott. Utter fucking piss take. Parker can’t pass wind and dwells on the ball. Stevie Me constantly tries Hollywood balls that fail. I am a 37 year old smoker but would be more mobile than Henderson who’s head is FAR too big for his body. Ingerlund will stink the place out. No cunt to keep the ball. Expect lumping it up to Carroll. Shocker of a squad.
Have I heard that Rodgers has said the dippers could win the title? God doesn’t take long for them to fall for the scouse delusions.
I digress. I have seen cunts having a pop at Carrick for having the nerve to be in Barbados. Calling him selfish. What a joke.
As Scott so correctly put “you can stick your fucking England up your arse”. I can’t wait for them to crash out in the group stages. Worst squad in my puff.
I wish I was in Barbados
Hodgson had my respect in the beginning but has only shown what a puppet and a clueless bufoon he truly is by picking these abysmal hopeless team.
Michael carrick is exactly what this england team needs. He’s not a flashy player but damn is he fucking effective. He’s a rollsroyce classy intelligent player, his passing accuracy is amongst the very best, he can intercept and read games without the hustle and bustle, you need to be good with the ball at international level, something england always fail miserably at. I can’t believe he’ll have a midfield quartet of steven GBH, henderson, parker and downing. They all embody the typical english footballing ideology of effort, passion, throw your body at every ball but lacking severly skill wise.
Michael has a quiet personality, he doesn’t crave attention like cunts that are terry and steven, he doesn’t fit what they want even though he’s a better player than what they’ve put out. Fucking disgrace i tell you, can’t wait to see them get battered by a very talented french team.
Knightsmith. Hello mate. Really sorry to hear of your Mrs. That’s awful. Giggs12 can sort tickets. Will text him and see if he can get on blog.
Fletch. Alright pal. I think Carrick has recurring achilles problems not hamstrings.
Interesting quote that Albert from Nani mate. Hhmm.
Now that Keane is injured, Owen gone and Berba looking for a club….will we sign a striker or will give the likes of Macheda. Bebe etc a major role in being the 4th man.
Being broke, I can see us doing neither and being thread bare up front next season, we;ll probably push Giggs up front, or Park/Young while Kagawa(?),Nani,Valencia & Clevs play more often.
Either that or we hold on to Berba for one more year !
Do you know , with the awful season its been for teams winning pots it wouldn’t fucking surprise me if Ingerlund win this bastard tournament and have to endure images of Stevie Me lifting the trophy. Urgh perish the thought. Won’t happen anyway.
Samuel. Yes watched France a bit and Blanc has got a decent side together.
United players should threaten not to play if henderson takes the seat on the plane rather than Carrick .If it was Harry in charge , i’m pretty sure he would have taken Rio (wanted to sign him couple of season ago),Scholes (recently said in an interview he should go to the Euros ) and carrick who Harry is an admirer of ,not suprised FA didn’t give him the job too many UTD players would have been on the plane.
I find it funny it takes something like this for Carrick to be appreciated. Has been a player of real quality for a number of years. Provides the platform for everyone else. With the selection of players going the euro’s I will not watch one single match that Roy the fa yes man will manage.
Knightsmith
Mate sorry to hear about the wife, being a chelsea fan that is
Would be happy to sort you out tickets for a game buddy but obviously can’t do until much nearer the time.
I sense a disturbance in the force, where Nani is concerned? Not felt this kind of disharmony, since Cedars downed 15 peach Schnapps on a Cyprus beach……….
Willie
I too sense a disturbance in the force.
Not like this I do Nani he talks not the right way.
Clint
Bring in Kagawa and we could play a raft of options 4-2-3-1
Ddg
Jones Smalling Vida Evra
Clev Carrick
Valencia Kagawa Nani or young
Rooney
Nani:
Only God knows
It’s polemic.
It’s not pregnancy you twit
Get yourself sorted out!
King Eric, You are right about the achilles. That is the injury he picked up 2 years ago when he was our only fit centerback and had to jump all the time.
But the word I heard was that he was playing with a hamstring issue much of the season. I recently heard that he an operation after the last game. Might be crap info, but that’s what I heard. Cheers
If I was Nani I wouldn’t even sign, the lad is so underrated its untrue. He is better than Valencia but tony is much more functional. Nani is world class on the right but plays left as tony has no right foot.
@ WillieRedNut
I did say the more astute would notice I was Welsh. So I reckon you must be a pretty sharp guy. thanks for pointing it out to the less gifted.
giggs12
Once we have kagawa, I know we do have alot of options but we will never turn our backs on the 4-4-2, so we’ll need 4 strikers no?
They key things this summer are;
-Sign up Kagawa
- Bring in a Left back
- Sign a midfielder (Fletch,Clevs,Ando-Giggs,Scholes, either ill,injured or too old, not a good blend)
- Replace the medical team.
MG – It’s not just me then?
Need Yoda’s advice! 
Off – topic; if we missed out on Hazard why not let Nani have a go at that position? He can pass equally well with both feet and has looked good anytime he’s played in the middle for club and country; not to mention the fact he has a fierce shot from distance (if he could just learn to keep the ball down).
If he’s feeling a bit left out because Tony V and Ashley are hogging the flanks then it might be the perfect way to reinvigorate him after a difficult season!
Left foot I meant
Northwalesred – It’s polemic mate. Astute is, as astute does…..
Clint
Fergie has been desperate to ditch 4-4-2 for a while as the main option. I think he is finally getting the balance he wants
Nani thinks he with Ronaldo are one of the best wingers in football ? And considering his options ?
It’s fine, i understand your position, and i would gladly let you go if you want to go and don’t want to agree personal terms with the club.
We have Ashlea Young at left wing who is better with you there and TonyV whom i fancy much more because of the character and the way he plays.
For PIG good luck. And Owen of course.
Let us have team players. As well as he ones with 250k per week who are team players as well.
Yes, i am subjective and i am pretty fine with it.
I think the potential signing of Kagawa suggests Fergie is looking for less predictably and more flexibility. Kagawa moves around the pitch. He’s got great energy. He can drift out wide, but his ability from a central area is what we’re probably trying to achieve. The only question is where Rooney plays? Will he be the main striker, with Kagawa shadowing him? I suppose it could work. We’ve still got Danny and pea to think about. It is a long season, so I think they’ll all get their chance!
Giggs 12
Desperate? I don’t think he is, maybe more open to dropping it for the odd important game but not altogether ! What I don’t understand is all season we play this vulnerable 4-4-2, then in a crunch game we suddenly play an awkward 4-5-1, with a unrecognised midfield with Rooney up front failing massively as a loan striker.
How the fudge can we be expected to succeed with a sudden change in formation that is only used during the hardest games? We need consistency !
At the moment we are in a 4-4-2 but an evolved strange variation like a 4-2-4 or 4-4-1-1…which is incredibly dependant on our wingers, if they fail, the whole team fails basically, big games have proven it this season.
If Fergie wants balance sign a holding midfielder and Kagawa seeing as we can’t get the Robbo type. Its the only way, but the bank manager obviously thinks otherwise.
Bad news about Nani. I can’t see him leaving though, I reckon he will sign on the dotted line eventually
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Off topic: with Keane injured, any news on Pogba? I haven’t heard of him for a while. Does this mean he’s staying?
Corea
Would have to diaagree on Nani, Ashley Young very good first year but an inform Nani is on a different planet. As a winger he is up there with Ronaldo buy obviously Ronnie is so much more than a winger hence his recognition as one of the two best players alive.
Nani season before last was our best player by a distance. More goals and assists than any other winger in the league.
Giggs12Gerrard0
i’ve said Nani and Young on the left. TonyV is the man on the right wing. Because he is modest he gets us assists and he is the person! Young is also a great great player!
But Nani is just a very very talented player but pretty stupid as i am.
TonyV and Young are the players. If Nani thinks he should earn more than 130k then we can let him go.
Just a think.
Cheers.
Willie
God knows the future only Nani knows not. Sense trouble I do. Hmmmmm. Sir Alex Ferguson sort this out he shall. The way of the force these younglings not know, believe they must.
tbh, its seems like Nani has a inferiority complex when it comes to Tony V.
He see’s mental strength, reliability, quiet confidence, a right foot that does more than dead left foot can imagine to attempt and the fact that Tony is a beast and Nani chickens out under the pressure of being better than Tony on the right. He tries to hard when there is competition and somehow that has a negative effect on him.
I’m one of the few that think Nani is better than Tony V, but not when Tony is fit. When Valencia was out injured, the Nani we saw was beyond amazing, he was the star man alongside Berba and Chico in 2010-11, but as soon as Tony Came back, he melted away….especially after that Liverpool-Carrashite moment.
I just hope to see Nani’s form return because his unpredictability sets him apart from Valencia. He can set up a goal or score one at any moment, Valencia is amazing, he does his job fantastically…but if we’re comparing Nani 2010 to Valencia 2012….I’d take Nani !
Anyone else agrizzle ?
Clint
4-4-2 is the reason we have not added to our European success. We didn’t know how to match Barca and this year clueless. Prem league 4-4-2 is fine but I am certain he is desperate to change it for Europe
Choose TonyV and Nani ? How many sensible ones would choose Nani ?
Choose Young and Nani ? Many would choose Nani. Me not!
Nani has to be like me. Modest! Fight, enjoy your life in United shirt and fight for his place. But he is 25 year old and wants to be the best in the world. So perhaps Juventus is the place to become just that!
It’s simple. Arogance. No, just the thing that helps people get better believing they can actually be there amongs the best players but a little bit of common sense and balance is something people might need.
Corea
I understand your point, Nani and young fight it out on the left because tony v is so one footed its hos only position. Young then gets the nod because Evra has lost the plot defensively you can’t play paddy and Nani on the same side too vulnerable.
Going forward Nani is the stand out player for me. I love Tony V as you say modest and direct. The problem I have is we are too nice our team lacks cunts like Nani and a skipper like Keano. 130 is modest for his talent given Rooney tore all wage barriers up.
Nani’s ability with both feet stands him out. Tony V’s directness blinds opposition defenders.
MG –
Clint
Perfect summary on Nani and Tony for me.
Also I think Young has proven his quality this year for United and is a worthy winger, it took me a while to warm to him but the last quarter of the season won me over.
We would have won the league imo, if SAF didn’t bow to media pressure and drop him. He was our work rate down the left and the man in form and SAF dropped him because he fell over a few times and the refs fell for the trick.
We lost the league on GD, but like the butterfly effect, you don’t wanna change the small things as they can have a huge bearing on the future, who knows Young could have won us a penalty at Etihad !
Giggs12Gerrard0
1. Rooney gets 200k i guess.
2. if rooney gets 250k or 220k or 200k he deservs that kind of money. Because he is te most talented player in the team (Nani excluded). But the most important thing is that he PLAYS FOR THE TEAM.
That’s enough for me. Nani plays for himself and SOMETIMES it works out as if he plays for the team.
Kagawa >>>> Nani
Fullstop.
PS. I am subjective and i am pretty fine with it.
Young this season was brilliant. Before the injury he was extra brilliant. And you know that!
Kagawa is even better! Just imagine.
And he IS a team player! That’s exactly what my subjective opinion wants from this team.
Amd honestly Nani isn’t Ronaldo. By mileeeees.
Cheers.
Nani isn’t Ronaldo? Well of course, he’s Nani! Talent wise, there’s no comparison between the two. Nani wins that hands down. For effectiveness? I would give the edge to Valencia. My 2 pennies worth….
Still think Nani should play through the middle! Best place for him!
Young and Welbeck start for England tomorrow. A reason for watching………
AS good as Young was at the beginning of the season, Nani was better.
Remember the goals against City in the Shield.
Remember the goal against Chelsea.
WillieRedNut
cheers mister. 2 pennies with 200k on the table.
but it’s just the mater of opinion. still a great post.
as i say it’s just a subjective opinion from me with a an attemp of justification.
i am not a footie guru. just the way i see the game.
I think nani’s assists record would prove he’s far from a player that plays for himself. He’s a flair player and wants to try new things, if you don’t try then you won’t become better. That obviously brings a frustrating side out of nani but he’s real quality, the most talented winger in united’s current squad.
People unbelievably wanting talents rid of when we’re lacking in several areas. Yeah, get rid of them all when clearly we’re struggling to add quality.
Corea
Rooney plays for the team? I could have thought of 23 more suited players in the squad to choose a team player. Rooney plays for one person and one person only, himself. it wasnt long ago we had no ambition and he was lined up for city to get his cash he wanted. He is just an employee to me and will never be a hero in a United shirt, in fact if we could replace his actual quality I would gladly pack his bags for him.
Onto Nani he is a class act and lets not overrate Young, he had a great season but not extra brilliant Nani is by far a better player, I rate Tony V immesenly and i think Young has been much better than we could have thought but Nani is a world class footballer,
Corea – Haha! We’re all entitled to express an opinion.
Nani and Valencia are 2 wonderful players imo. They both add to our team. Yet we seem to try and play players off against each other! Lets enjoy their talents, and what they bring to United’s team. While they’re here, anyway. 
Samuel
Exactly my friend, whats with United wanting all the love fest as well? Do you think players like Ronnie, Cantona, Ruud, Keano etc would have been as good without the drive to be the best. Confidnece and arrogance is a fine line but one in which the best players in the world skirt the edges of.
The team with the most injuries these season.
Of course we lack talent we aren’t City’s talent packed team. You know ?
We don’t need talent we need talent RIGHT now on the pitch showing it on the pitch straightforwardly.
But i am not talking about the talent. I am just saying that i want results but i want to achieve it with tha players i really like. It’s subjective of course and i am voicing it.
Rooney is a team player and every fucking season since 2004 shows it. For me it’ s beyond doubt.
Nani assists ? Of course it’s not about being selfish. When you see 4 players in front of you you would gladly like to go for glory putting the ball in the penalty area.
I am modest but i am pretty selfish because i am human.
Goodnight.
Rooney is a world class talent Corea, a great player but he goes aaginst eveything you are debating about Nani?
Rooney is our best player but i feel sick to the core celebrating his goals.
Can’t believe some want Nani to go.
By far our most talented player. Lacks concistency but would I sell him? Not in a million years. Would be so hard to get a good player in for him.
We lack players with flair. You can’t win nowadays with work only. Barca showed us that in the final.
winger, not player.
You say THE NANI is inconsistent?`I say WHAT? What did Valencia do in the last games. no offense??? Young? and you say they are consistent. ?
I want Valencia to be in the lineup, but if it means Nani being a sub or in the leftwing. NEVER.
Nani, look at him on the right, he rapes the teams. what about the goal against CHelsea or that invidual skill beating 5-6 men against benfica. ETC. I thank Young and Valencia for the goals. of course, cause first United then the players.
But people should realise, he is not inconsistent. he is a BEAST. He is near with the best player in the world.
I am always first a UNITED supporter then player. But when people slash Nani, I become mad. Sometiems as a player fan, not with UNITED glasess on, I wish he would play for Barca or Real so we could realise how good he is!
@ ji sung put this link in the other thread, look at him on the right, if you saw this for the first time, and never knew Nani as a player, i would bet my life than people would fuss about him.
Look at him http://v4.nonxt5.c.youtube.com/videoplayback?app=youtube_gdata&devkey=AX8iKz393pCCMUL6wqrPOZoO88HsQjpE1a8d1GxQnGDm&el=videos&upn=DaGCGVRm7RI&uaopt=no-save&source=youtube&itag=18&id=d9eedc65e53ea0fb&ip=0.0.0.0&ipbits=0&expire=1341141112&sparams=id,itag,source,uaopt,upn,ip,ipbits,expire&signature=172AAA7561E8369E48DDE58B22B0D40F882EC319.8E0265D04EE268222045A6361375BA318FFA0B0A&key=yta1&ms=au&mt=1338548410&cms_redirect=yes&redirect_counter=1
King Eric- I have the same feeling, as someone said a few days ago on another thread, it’s the year of the cunt. I feel so torn when I watch England. I only want England to win if it’s a Utd player that wins the game for them, I can’t possibly cheer on the likes of Terry. It wouldn’t surprise me if England actually do quite well in the Euros, expectations are low so I suppose it won’t be hard to achieve.
Lets be honest whilst we are discussing Rooney, would any other player have got awat with what he did?
Would they fuck they would be off, Fergie kept him as he was irreplacable and fans forgave because he does the business.
Look Giggs12Gerrard0, I am slowly starting to back Rooney again, but it’s hard to know what he almost did to us,
Somehow it’s not the same watching him play. He is our best player, but hard to start supporting him 100%
Giggs12 – exactly, i think that certain drive and personality to elevate into true world class status, you can’t go hiding in the background, the best want to take the mantle by showing what they can do, nothing wrong with that in my opinion. People think there are innocent nice players, yeah maybe there is a minority of them but most of them want all the glory for themselves. We either accept that or go find players in mars.
Nani is undisputed Proven quality, we need to keep players like him to progress further.
Thi was one of my posts about Rooney earlier.
May 17, 2012 at 00:45
WeAreUnited says:
I don’t know, since Rooney announced that he wanted out, My feelings towars him has been cold. and I was ready to throw his shirts off to the dumpster.
After he scored against City that marvellous goal, I was happy, enjoyed the moment and thoght okey that’s why we love this guy. Then the goal faeded away, and I remembered his actions.
So my feelings are still a bit confused. I cheer him up cause he is UNITED bound, but still can’t find the happy memories and respect that I had towards him, like I had that season when he scored everytime and then got injured an we got fukced.
Now, I dont know, it’s not the same. What to do my fellows United mates??
WeareUnited
Exactly mate he is our best player and i am glad he stayed as he could not be replaced. He is an employee not legend though, there will never be a statue of him outside OT thats for sure, same as Ronnie as good as the United greats.
For me Ronaldo is a United great, and Rooney with all hi goals, is becoming one, you have to admit it. But I know that it hurts to admit because what he did.
I am trying to fidn a response to my comment towards rooney because ti was great, and I had to think twice for Rooney and start supporting him again.
It was a great response
Fickle fans.
Crying out for flair players and quality signings, but when it’s the word that we want to sell Nani nobody cares fuck all.
Valencia and Young are pretty direct wingers, but Nani can pull of some magic. Can you see Tony V going past 5 players?
anyway let me move away from Rooney, I am glad we have his quality so wont be two faced but it does kill me. If I could Bring a 2001 RVN i would not think twice.
Giggs12Gerrard0 this was a response for Rooney:
May 17, 2012 at 01:11
Clint-Iamyourpapii says:
WeAreUnited
I too found it difficult to forgive when Wazza, it felt like he broke our hearts after the years of love shown to him. That overhead kick was the beginning of a healing process. The goals against West Ham when he swore “what fucking what” was the moment the flesh wound healed.
The goal against Barca was finally my acceptance that the fella is committed to us genuinely and I had forgiven him completely. This year he’s scored the goals 35 of them and is now the 4th top scorer of United.
He will go down as a legend if he retires here and I have forgiven him but the Mr Ambition part of it will always be a dark cloud over his achievements and nobody will actually ever forget because of the fuss and media attention and embarrassment it drew at that moment in time.
Rooney is forgiven but like Stevie GBH and JayTee….we all know they was steps away from exiting for a better wage offer but something made them turn their backs on the temptation.
We don’t let those players above get away with it and opposition fans will never let us forget about it. Its up to us to move on and forgive, I believe the majority already have, a few like yourself are still the minority that still bare negative emotions when looking back which is understandable.
@zelh , I totally agree with you in every aspect!!!!!! did you watch the video??? wow absolutely stunning, and when you watch 50 games of United Live, and you see those stunts, just wow.
I rate Valncia veeeeeeeery high, I love his morale, but Nani is the SUPERSTAR that we need.
If he would get the same treatment like Ronaldo, built a team around Nani, he would be different, He is not ego -> nani I mean, he is not, if he would be egoistiv player, he would be like Ronaldo
that’s why ROnaldo got what he wanted and Nani plays for the team.
Weareunited
would have to personally disagree mate neither will ever be United Greats yet if it was down to talent should be by a stretch. its not jus about talent though, there is a great article in United we stand recently on Ronaldo which I agreed with completely. With all his achievements in 07-09 you forget what he was like off the pitch and to a large extent on it. I will never forget him celebrating in Moscow on his own as the team celebrated with the fans. I think the reason i have been so upset with Rooney is that it was so unexpected, he was everything bar scouse a United player should be.
wow – WeAreUnited
That writer sure sounds like a legend
May 17th, 2 weeks ago? Feels like a life-time ago for me
I was happy then 
The Red Knight Will Rise
July 1st
Lampard > Scholes
Terry > Codicil
Chelsea fans deluded since 2001.
Vidic, not Codicil. Dunno WTF autocorrect gets that shit…
United Retained list has been released by the EPL.
Interesting that all of our juniors have been retained or offered contracts.
Shows commitment to youth and development!
http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/publications/other/premier-league-retained-list.pdf
HAHAHA Clint-Iamyourpapii says: a legend response
2 weeks man, like 2 years right?
I didn’t know Ronaldo celebrated alone, that’s just childish like all his acts haha,
I respect your opinion, but Ronaldo was and is something special, despite all his antics he is a legend for United, to develope so much and then become best in the world at United ( at that time) it’s an amazing show from him and it makes him in my eyes, a legend.
Rooney with his goals is close for the United great status, like it or not, i personalluy am still struggling to forgive but maybe one day. RIGHT?
But gotta admit Rooney was totally unexpected and I was ready to throw his shirts away from my home. But now he is United and we have to support him. ANd for Nani, BACK HIM UP!!!!!!! he is a great player. I AM SO MAD, when people don’t realsie that. watch the video damn!
Has there ever been a team, in any sport, as sad and as pathetic as the England football team? That promised so much but time after time delivered so little? I seriously doubt it. Carrick is better off without them. I wish all our players would tell Hodgson (or who-the-fuck-else) to shove it. Take a holiday guys. You deserve it. Rest your legs and your brains for next season.
Not one for sticking up for Rooney. What he did 2 years ago was cuntish. No doubt about that, but he had no ties to United before he signed for us. What I’ve come to expect of the modern footballer is nothing but betrayal. They’ll give you everything, while they play at our club. But loyalty? Forget about it Don’t be so naive. Rooney is United’s best player. We used to think he was one of us. Playing for the love of our club. That was gullible thinking by United fans. The players and fans are so far removed from each other, it’s fucking scary.
@WillieRedNut
absolutely agree with you, you for example can see when they finish the game, you’d think they stay to celebrate or thank the team home or away. but it doesn’t happen often. In Germany you see it more often.
Crazy when you think it that way Willie.
willierednut
exactly mate exactly, Rooney was the last common footballer that had no affinity to the fans. That was not being niaive but betrayed and fooled.
Weareunited
completely agree, Ronaldo is as good as we have ever seem, The most special footballer I have watched live but not in the same class as the likes of Sir Bobby, Captain Marvel, The orginal king, Eric the king, and of course the mercurial talent of Geoge Best.
Ronnie’s no legend either. Best pound for pound player at United over my time watching the club, but he acted like a right cunt in 2008. Ruined that whole summer. His ability though? Wow!
I would have Keano and the king above him(as legends not ability) that won’t be a popular opinion. I couldn’t give a flying fuck! 
Ronaldo was no legend. he’s just another great player that crossed our paths, provided moments of joy on the pitch, left in an undignified manner but he’s said good things about united since he left so i have no issues with him. brilliant brilliant player the portuguese was when he ran out at oldtrafford, he’s still a great player at real madrid. He has definitely left his stamp on the club but not enough to warrant legendary status. If he stayed a little more longer then he’d add that to his accolades.
Rooney is not a legend either and doubt he’ll ever be one after all the crap he caused the club. I think we all accepted him, we all felt he was a different breed compared to the typical players nowadays, but we were naive and should have treated him like any other player. Rooney is undoubtedly world class, we need players like him to succeed but that’s where it ends with him. he’s here to do a job like everyone else, no emotions tied.
Well that’s a opinion thing, of course the guys you mentioned, well it’s hard to beat those guys, but maybe after 20 years we will remember the Ronaldo days and consider him among the best
now I am off, but it was nice to share opinions guys.
Stay United!!!! c’mon 20!
Stateside yes Livepool 09/10 remember it was their year coming second in 08/09, they came 7th
nani wont be going lads he’s fergie’s grandsons favourite player:-) on a more serious note im in the capacity that we’d be silly to let him go, the guy has ablity in abundance, and has that unpredictablity about him, 2 footed has well always a problem for opposing players cant show him is weaker foot because he’s more than capable with both feet, can be unplayable on his day just needs to be more consistent, and at times less elabarating.
a quick last post, I understand that the likes of best, giggs, scholes, cantona, sir bobby charlton and so on are 100% legends, and yes Ronaldo left us in a crazy way, but always said United stay in his heart. Of course if the guy suddenly comes to England and for City then i would burn my Ronaldo shirt hahaha.
Well maybe 20 years after this, never know. Keep the discussion on, it is great to united for UNITED!
Samuel 23.19
Perfectly summed up mate.
Weareunited
Mate his mum was wearing a madrid kit, he was calling himself a slave, and dont forget only god knows……
TonyV is a more of a traditional winger. Consistently beats his man with pace outside. I don’t think there’s anything complicated about his game — and I don’t mean that as any sort of slight on him. sure, he’s strictly one-footed, rarely comes inside, and from an opposing fullback’s point of view, you pretty much know where he’s going to go. Trouble is stopping him. His pace, strength and control are all just too good.
Nani has developed into a genuine two-footer. He can play either side. He can stay wide and cross with his outside foot, or cut inside and scamper horizontally across the pitch, which naturally brings his other foot into play. There are very few players who can do that on both sides of the pitch, and I would like to see him used more as a floating winger — someone who can switch sides freely throughout the match. I think that could be a good solution, especially in matches where we seem to get stuck between wanting to attack wide, but also wanting to keep three in the middle. That’s where I think we could keep three in the middle, and use Nani as a lone winger, but swaping sides at will to keep the defence confused and off-guard. He has a superb box of tricks at his disposal and is creative in using them. Who will ever forget the day he skinned those two gooners? He isn’t as selfish as he once was, but his vision sometimes lets him down. I always thought he worked better with Berbatov than with Rooney. From what I saw this season (remembering that I missed half of it), his crossing was poor. He can do just about everything, but it’s starge: there always seems to be something out of tune in his game: if his crosses are on song, his shooting might be off; if he’s got his shooting boots and the crosses are working, there’ll something else not quite right. Hard to explain, but I find it exaxperating. I truly think that if he can find a way to put it all together, all at the same time, he would be right up there with with the top 3 or 4 players in the world.
I didn’t see enough of Young last season. But I will give him this: from what I did see, he was by far our best and most consistent crosser of the ball.
oops! “starge”??? Strange
accordong to reports gents united have begun talks with fulham for demdele
Giggs12 … g’day mate. yeah, the dippers. Still, even they can look back to a time when they really were the team to beat. I don’t think England can say that. Sure, England won the WC. But that was a one-off success, in a knockout cup, at home. They never replicated it, and apart from the brief moment of that victory, were never a team to fear. I detest that cunt Stevie Me, the most over-rated wanker of the current generation. Sad but true: I actually have more time for Lampard than for him. If those two cunts were sprawled out in the gutter with their brains on fire, I might piss in Lampard’s ear (though I wouldn’t cross the street to do it). But Stevie Me? He could fucking burn.
This saga of how to play those two cunts together has been a fucking joke. For mine, that sits right at the heart of England’s problems. Better off playing neither of them. Stevie Me is so one-dimensional, it is fucking unbelievable. Silly cunt can only play one way, in one position? Wonder what he’s going to do, now he’s got a manager who wants his players to be versatile, quick/creative movers and passers, sharers. StevieMe sharing? Fucking joke, that.
Busby Babes – What reports?
Haven’t heard a thing.
Here’s that report Busby Babes was referring to: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2153470/Chelsea-United-10m-battle-Mousa-Dembele.html
In my experience the Mail is one of the most unreliable sources for transfer news.
I think Dembele will choose Chelsea because:
1. He won’t have to relocate.
2. They have quite a few Belgian players, including Belgian superstar Eden Hazard.
3. They’ll offer him more money than we will.
Even if Roy was told that, surely it’s his job as England manager to try and take the best squad possible. Even if he rates Carrick behind 2-3 others he should surely want Carrick there regardless over Milner/Henderson. Make the phone call, have Carrick tell you he’s not interested and sleep well knowing you tried your best to take a deserving player…. don’t shy away from making an important squad decision and feed the fans bollocks about Carrick retiring. Capello tried to get Scholes who’d retired 7 years earlier, surely it wasn’t too much to expect Roy to phone the countries in form midfielder and hell, even mislead him a bit to get him to the tourney. Roys job is to win, you don’ t do that with shite. Roy could’ve said “ya sure you’ll be important” with his fingers crossed, and when the injuries happened he wouldn’t be so fucked. Carrick to lead a United domination next season is at least something to look forward to.
England and Roy can suck my dick!
Frog tastic! We got Dembele on board! Fuck his fellow countryman, Hazard…..
Breaking News
Manchester United have finally signed Football Manager
SAF: Football Manager will help me manage United like never before
Football Manager: I’m here to help SAF any which way I can
David Gill: With SOny digital cameras we can zoom in from any angle with digital precision.
Goodnight Manchester United!
Wait:
SAF: Football manager will help me manage Manchester United like never before, no doubt about that.
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To be fair, my old man likes Dembele. I’m not convinced!
Is that wrong? Not writing the lad off. 
willierednut again m8 how much foundation to it i dont know few other stories regarding powell 2
Willie we got dem lovehandles too x
Viva MG, Viva MG, keeps our spirits up, when we’re in the dumps, viva MG!
Busby Babes – Yeah mate, just rumours atm. Us and the rentboys battling for him lol. We’ll see!
Mikey –
lol ‘top english clubs’ transfer policys wait to see who united want then we’ll bid for them:-)
asked about a move to united
Moussa Dembele:”Manchester United? Sorry, but I cannot say more about that at this time.”
what is his position exactly?i saw him playing everywhere at fulham
He’s socially liberal and fiscally conservative. A damn fine candidate for our central midfield imo.
Rooney moans at the team (and very often at Nani) and was very poor in many games this year. His performance against Newcastle was the worst I can remember from a Utd striker.
I’d like to keep Berbatov, bag £100m for Rooney to PSG and let Nani play alongside Berba / wherever he wants across the line.
The key to next year is Cleverley – will he be able to keep fit or is he going to be like Anderson.
With Cleverley and Wellbeck in the team we played our best football last year. They also bring out the best in Rooney.
It’s not easy to be unsung hero in the team!
Thank God Kev is not in charge.
Kevin … if there was 100m on the table for rooney, i reckon we would take that and wave goodbye. I think he’s a terrifc player, truly a “natural-born footballer”. Not a “manufactured footballer”. It’s in his DNA. But 100m is silly money. It’s an offer you can’t refuse, imo. I always thought Berbatov and Nani worked well together (and the two of them with Scholes, too). I don’t think it’s a skill thing, just able to read each other. Call it chemistry. TC and Ando seemed to have that too, at the start of last season.
They were buzzing around the midfield like they were made for each other, before injuries tore them apart. Easy to forget how well we played in those first few matches, how alive our midfield was.
I know a lot on here reckon berbatov’s too slow. But that matters more when we are on the backfoot and playing on the counter. When the midfield is alive and buzzing, as it was then, I think Berbatov would work well in front of that, with Nani popping here there and everywhere, and Hernandez or Welbz ready to slip through. I could see a combination of Jones playing box-to-box, with Ando and TC juicing around in the middle, Nani floating either side or through the middle, and Berbatov controlling the ball and creating diversions around the edge of the box, and Hernandez or Wellbz using the space and ready to pounce. I reckon that would be something to see.
But it won’t happen. For two reasons. One: no one is going to offer 100m for Rooney. And two: SAF wants to bring the young players through and Berbatov (bless his socks) doesn’t fit into that plan.
Moussa Dembele – Like Anderson looks a right star on Youtube…like Zidane but left footed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SQKiO1GUeA
Haven’t paid much attention to the lad this season but all I hear about him is the potential and his deadly partnership with Dempsey…apart from that nothing !
SAF will shake things up. Mybe Nani does go. He wants to be the best in the world. Worrie about being picked for big games.
Stateside spot on, silly money. I posted in lenght on that. Berba has been gone since I saw SAF laugh at him and turned hit Palen pointed at a pouting Berba and laughed again.
@FletchTHEMAN
You could also take the cynical view that by offering the under 22 players new contracts the club aren’t showing a commitment but making sure that players they know won’t make it can turn a profit for the club.
If a player is under 22 as long as a contracts offered the club are due a ‘transfer fee’ if the player rejects it and wants to go elsewhere. The club that wants to sign him can either negotaite compensation with United or wait for a tribunal. What United will be wanting is for them to negotiate because something they have been doing increasingly since the Glazer takeover is inserting sell on clauses such as % of future fees and first options which can usually turn out to be more profitable to have with a smaller upfront fee than anything the club would get upfront from a tribunal
In no way Wazza is CR, but not far behind. Roonney, 4 pl titles. Goal difference and a Chelski bad call from 6 in a row. 3 of 4 cl finales won 1. 186 goal. MUFC 4th all time scorer. Sells shirts. Hum after CR S last 2 years SAF thinks 80 million pounds was to low. Rooney is worth the money. Would his women move.
Her NAME is COLEEN, you brute!
Pappi he is quick can make people miss, nick the ball away. Mixes well with others going forward, I think he would mix well with rooneys strengths.
Ms Collen my bad
Zibbie – Thats all well and good but can he play centre mid
Would his women move? No but he’ll move heaven, earth & grannies and hoes to make the move possible…our Wayne is Top Notch like that
Ms Collen
Her Name is COLEEN, you brute fruit ! 
Collen
awesome.
Let me cut to the chase: selling Rooney and/or Nani is a terrible idea, and Dembele (who I broke our interest in last night on here – thanks for the credit, guys) is almost certainly going to Chelsea, for reasons I have already explained. My advice is to not waste your time hypothesising about any of these subjects. Let the chips fall where they may.
So we go on and on about how weak United’s midfield is every bloody week and yet England’s only hope at winning the tournament is to select Carrick and Scholes?
Gopher Broke – I like your style, my man.
Hahahahhaaahaha. I love this place. Nevermind.
Hahahaha Zibbie
I dig your style, my man. 
If SAF thinks it is best to sell Rooney, well then. Thanks Wazza for all you did while at MUFC. And wow what’s his plan for 20 FUCK YEWS…………………..
YES OPPS
Morning reds around the world,
Lets face it, the media and England always go gaga about Lampard and Gerrard,
Carrick, the lad shuns media and spot light, do u think he has any chance of making it? its just scholes all over again..
Carrick should not be worrying about England because nobody is going to consider an unsung hero and england is not United..simple..
good day reds..
and what a fucking bad news for Keane
I wish him more strength and character to come out of this long injury..
age is on his side and thats an advantage..
but the lad would have been a great addition as 4th striker..
does that mean now we go for a striker?
or Kiko to be considered?
berba to stay?
lol AT SOME OF OUR FANS. at the SLIGHTEST rumour that Rooney might be sold some of us being to bad mouth him. Like it or not his goals are what kept us in that title race this past season. He is THE BEST player on our team. Unless he comes out and says he wants to leave there is NO WAY that Fergie will ever sell Wayne Rooney. In short…. HE IS GOING NOWHERE.
Nani is our best winger at this club ( yes, better than valencia). He was injured for 70% of last season this was why not much was said about Nani. Still a very electric, tricky player who has now added goals to his repertoire. NO WAY we sell him unless we are bringing in Ribery or Robben and that isn’t EVER happening so he isn’t going ANYWHERE. cool it with the rumours and move on.
What a stupid decission to choose Henderson over Carrick!
Lets just support Chicarito and Mexico national team.
UNITED > England
Fred, I say we try for his lesser known French cousin Chocolate Moussa Dembele… he’d be the icing on the cake, or somesuch
Regarding Rooney,
I just want to comment one thing,
we kept because we had lost too much experience, plus Rooney is a global icon, so in order to attract some big players, we will need some big and world class players..
also agreed that he was irreplaceable..if we had any other out and out world class striker, Sir Alex would have straight away dumped Rooney..
also Sir Alex had a doubt whether it was Rooney or his agent doing this shit, but none the less Rooney is totally accountable for his acts,
he could have headed to Sir Alex office and discussed this, but he chose the wrong path,
but one good thing was it completely over shadowed his bed show with those call girls or whatever, thus the spot light turned from personal life..it was an advantage for him, but at the cost of this great club’s image and history, which true red devils will not be able to forgive or forget, lets face that..
and i also agree that his goals have kept us in the hunt, there is not a single ounce of doubt when it comes to talent..
If Sir Alex had a more commanding and many world class players team, Rooney would not have been playing in the red shirt today, thats a no brainier..
Good day reds..
Works to our advantage. The guy has the summer off and he’ll be as good as new by the time the new season kicks off. With uncertainity surrounding Tom, Ando and Fletch’s availability at that time, we will need Carrick.
The Guardian articke about Nani isn’t too surprising. The problem is that we only start negotiations when a player is into the last 12 months of his contract now and since Nani has 2 years left on his, we have a full year of this bullshit ahead. Oh joy..
WHy the F*** people think Roy has any sense, he has done nothing but bollocks as an England manager
Remember he said he is selecting Ox because he played well against Pirlo at Arse vs Milan??
Wasnt Pirlo at Juventus??
Morning ball bags
Received a video message from Sir Alex yesterday but can’t watch it cos my SHIT phone doesn’t support flash player apparently!! Gingham gooley gooley gooley gooley watchya gingham goo gingham goo!!!
Morning dip shits
Mike – Can’t you forward it to another device? Linda says hello by the way, totally done me over yet again!!!
Fuck me sideways and throw me in a pool of sharks…..Too much tequila gets to your head……
Now, regarding Rooney, no doubt our most important player, have I ever warmed up to him? NO However as long as he dons the shirt I will support him with all my heart.
what’d this about Roo getting sold?
Haven’t posted since I heard of Keaneo getting injured.Gutted doesn’t even begin to describe it. SAF said he was in the first team next season.
I see a lot of Reds figure Rooney plays in his preferred position if we get Kagawa . I fancy Danny. He has the ability to take center stage and give SAF one hell of a selection headache, it’s up to him and I know he can do it.
england dont forget carrick was your best player @ germany 2006.
Morning everyone.
I’ve woken up to not the best of news. To introduce my post, i’ll point you to this article.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1202009-manchester-united-transfers-5-reasons-luka-modric-is-worth-fighting-for
You dont have to read it, not now anyway, what am more interested in is slide 6(Talent Warrants Payday
)
On a recent post i agreed with Balaji on how annoying it is when people make out United wont try to outbid the toy teams of this world for the best players like our history of such dealings has ever been like that. Unless something drastic happens with the Old Trafford hierarchy, i won change my view in that.
What United has to change in policy however, is to learn to pay Top players what they are worth. Now of course we’ve had the Beckham era and since those players have been a part of the side for a long time, all our success in the PL era has involved them. Scholes, Giggs, Neville are the type of players who are not going to demand 150k a week, homegrown players and all that, and as such it is understandable if for Manchester United, it will feel like turning from straight to gay if they have to start paying top players what they are worth, and also to start taking homegrown players’ salary demands seriously like the Wes Brown and Welbeck incidences. Now of course those incidences were not as eventful and embarrassing as Rooney’s recently, when he was forced into demanding what he was worth, and what other oil clubs would be willing to pay double of. But this is what is going to happen with all our foreign top players if the policy doesn’t change very soon. Heck even the homegrown players might start to act with indignation if for all their talent and loyalty they are kept firmly under the 90k limit(STR alluded to this on a previous post). Its all very well saying no player is bigger than the club, but this is how trade union strikes happen, the firm somehow ends up thinking its labour-force is not that important in comparison to its brand ad its replaceable. I’d like to see the club sell the whole squad because they’ve all asked for better salaries.
Why am i saying all this? i think Nani can answer that better than me;
“I have had five seasons at Manchester United and have won all the titles. Now I am really happy but I don’t know about my future. Now I will study opportunities. Football is not only about England or Spain. It is possible to enjoy success in other countries. My agent is waiting on news about United. We have presented a counter-offer, and now we are waiting on an offer from the club.”
That was Nani a week ago. Now crowd favourites, top players, even average bit part players will come out and pledge their allegiance to United, like Nani said said he wanted to spend the rest of his career at United, and Valencia stipulating as much by firing his agent, and other player so fcourse as am sure you’ve heard the declare, but they say this with an unspoken expectance, an unspoken condition, that at a future date the club will be willing to pay them their due, not a vulgar sum, merely what they are worth.
Now i believe if Young is being paid 120k a week, Nani should get equal and not more and not 80k a week as recent figures show.
We let Beckham, Ronaldo, VN leave for Real at the peak of their careers, after they’d given something to Manchester United.
Now am no fool, i know when Nani becomes one of the best players in the world, we shall sell him for a big sum.but i don’t think we’ve seen the best of Nani. Nani is the closes thing we have to Ronaldo now, not in terms of efficiency or consistency or course, valencia is more close to that. But in terms of trickery, dribbling, unexpected moves, unpredictability, magic if you will, Nani is our best player in that department, and dont show me stats.
Players are leaving Manchester United left and right, for whatever reasons. Ravel Morrison, Pogba, Danny Simpson, Rossi and soon Oliver Norwood, all for playing opportunities. That while it has a negative side, is not a big blow to United. But Nani?
Nani?
That will be a huge blow, a setback, a big loss, call him what you will, and in an age where demanding for what you are worth places you in the mercenary section, many will frown on this post.
I respect every poster’s opinion on here, but in this matter i have to say i don’t care what anyone’s opinion is, we should pay up for Nani, pay him what he deserves, at least give him 120k a week. Losing Nani will be a big blow for me, and that is irrespective of whoever is coming in.
RE:the spelling mistakes, was typing at a cafe so in a hurry.
Damning signs for England if the current manager has such a poor gauge of the calibre of the available English midfielders. You can look forward to having ridiculous line-ups and awful match tactics leading to quite a pathetic showing from England at Euro 2012.
Don’t forget your suntan lotion, Mikey. Enjoy your vacation. Come back awesome as ever!
Morning reds
Dembele? Decent at best if you ask me, he looks great at Fulham but so has Danny Murphy. If we want to compete we need proper footballers coming. Kagawa is the real deal the dimension we need. We also need a toure like player he was the difference last year. Is demebele that? That’s like comparing David Dunn to Paul Scholes
The problem of discussing the fact that united “won’t” pay more than Real, Barca, CSKA London of Citeh to bid for players, or in terms of wages ignores an important point.
Do people honestly think for a minute that the Glazers with their record of borrowing would give a shit about prudent financial management if they could afford to be as extravagant as the 4 big clubs I have mentioned? I don’t think they would. I think they would be paying ludicrous wages (infact in so far as they can afford to they already do – Rooney!) and I think they would be happily making the crazy bids required to secure the services of the Nasris, Hazards et. al.
No, the simple fact is that United CAN’T afford to pay these sums of money. If we get Kagawa it will be for one of two reasons:
1./ Our offer is the best possible offer that his agent can secure.
2./ Kagawa is actually a raving red United fan whose dream has always been to play for United, and who has told his agent, that irrespective of the fact that he (the agent) will not get as much commission if he would had the player signed for a richer club, he can f**k right off as Kagawa intends to play for his dream team.
And if the reason is the first of these, there will always be a risk of losing the player (as we may lose Nani) if he turns out to be any good and richer clubs become interested.
Ferguson and Gill must work with the funds available to them.
To be honest, the thing which is getting to me is all the bitching about the way richer clubs are managed.
Yes I f**king hate Citeh and Chelsea as rivals, but if I am objective and imagine the shoe was on the other foot (i.e. that United had been in /their/ shadows for all those years and suddenly got an incredibly rich sugar daddy) would I want our board to spend like lunatics? Fuck yes.
And regarding mercenary players, I guess if a player has been a life long fan of United, and suddenly Chelsea offer him more than we would is he a mercenary to sign for Chelsea? I think perhaps he is.
But if he is a neutral, perhaps not even English? F**k no. He’s just getting the best deal available for himself and why the hell not?
Sure none of this is good news for our beloved club, but it’s something that many of us need to wake up and accept as the constant bitching about it is making United fans look pretty silly.
Giggs12
Good players tend to perform better at bigger clubs and on the bigger stage…..Not directed at Dambele by any means, just a general point
correction: at one point in my passion, I erroneously described Citeh as a “big club” I of course meant “rich club”.
And ofc. Chelsea too. I suppose the other two are genuinely “big clubs”.
Cedars
For every success there is also a failure. My point goes back to a thread on hazard etc. I’m sick off buying prospects or players who have performed ok at average clubs. Dembele is no spring chicken either.
Giggs12
Smalling? Ronaldo? Hernandez? I could go on mate, I fully understand where you are coming from and yes we need to buy established players at times however why not we make them stars?
CedarsDevil: I don’t think its a question of “why not?”.
This is absolutely the strategy we MUST take, except in increasingly infrequent circumstances!
redcrab
Cheers! Infrequent it should be when we can keep the fuckers at the club!! Great post by the way
Fortunately we have the greatest manager in football history.
Infact, its obvious that he enjoys that so much that he actually feeds off the energy that the challenge gives him!
*sigh* my editing is pants today. I was specifically just referring to taking the “make them stars” approach.
Can anyone more informed than me remind me of the last so called ‘star’ we bought at United??
Sorry, Veron?? He was a star and cost us zillionz……….What a player
I wish we would get this lad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAOH1Jfvpw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
lads when saying an established star there’s no age limit on that a player deemed in his prime is 27 plus, you look at alot of the top players they 27 or younger, presently ronaldo, messi, rooney, ozil, modric,etc,etc.
Ha. Berbatov I guess. I think he would have been the closest to “star” status.
redcrab
Berba got us no 19 did he not? Hence he falls out of that category
RedHound
Were you at an Internet cafe? Now there’s dedication to RoM.
Cedars
I guess that’s Linda 10 Cedars 0!! Send her my love!
Redcrab
I don’t think United are shy of spending on particular players, as long as we stay below that 50% of turnover figure. We’ve always brought big name players into the club, ALWAYS. And mixed them with the youth coming through. But if the youth ain’t quite ready I don’t see the harm in bringing a few top names in to ease the burden. I don’t agree that there are only 2 reasons someone like Kagawa will come to United. Some players will come because they want to develop their football in the United style, for a club with a rich history of this football over many years, not 5 minutes, and to train under the watchful eye of the greatest manager ever to grace this land.
Cedars
Tiabi, paborsky, djemba dejemba, kleberson, jordi, Anderson, bebe the list is equally as strong mate. You actually back my long standing argument up you have to mix hidden gems with youth then add world class players to the mix. We have youth, we have hidden gems, can someone tell me who are world class players are? We have one player that would get on the world 11 fact.
Imo Nani is irreplaceable! We should do whatever it takes to make him stay! The lad is simply world class…up there amongst the best wingers in world football. I really hope he decides to stay.
How do u replace a footballer like Nani? These days to get a player in who’s on the same level as he is, is honestly impossible. We’ll have to pay 30 million and I can’t see Fergie doing that as we have seen with Hazard. Just stay lad! FFS you’re at Man United. What more could u want?
I don’t get footballers these days ha? Cash money – cash money…that’s all they interested in. Joke!
Giggs12
Never said we had bad signings, mind you the list you put up is hilarious ……..
lads for me this club is a great advert for any aspiring youngster or player, there’s always been an ethos at this club with regards to youth, well certainly since Sir Matt’s tenure, and im proud of us sticking to that ethos on top of that the management in place lets players express themselves, implenented by attatcking football, aided with success, and with a family feel to it, the foundations are here for players to progress wether that be proven or aspiring youngsters, and what we offer more than most in the modern era is stablity.
Based on his decisions thus far I think Hodgson deserves all the stick he’s gonna get. I actually liked the fella at one point but you can’t justify Michael Carrick not making the starting 11, never mind Rio Ferdinand not making the SQUAD.
I reckon Woy got the job cos he’s a clapped-out puppet. Same old fucking England.
To Answer the question: when was the last time we signed a star?
Hmm may I suggest Wayne Rooney?
- He was tagged the best young player in the world at the time.
- Killed Arsenal on his debut.
- Took apart teams in Euro 2004.
- The Whole loved and praised him.
- He was what Neymar is now back then.
If the opportunity arose again that United was linked with an 18 year old worth £30m (Inflation £45m), Do I think United would buy this kid?
No, Why?
Our circumstances have changed mahoosively.
Back then we competed with Newcastle for the Wazza signing.
If Chelsea,Arsenal or Real Madrid came in, we would have been blown out the water back in 2004. Now City,Chelsea,Real,Barca,Bayern and sometimes Arsenal completely wipe the floor with us negotiation-wise and have more temptation attached to them.
Plus now we don’t have the money, we have a £20m glass ceiling but do offer transfer fees that rise (Hargreaves 18m-25m, Nani + Anderson 12m each to 18m)
United will never find the next Ronaldo and we’ll never attempt to go for another Wayne Rooney-type again, if he cost £20m, perhaps.
Theres only one person to blame for this circumstance …Mr Malcolm of course
The policy is not terrible though, who would turn down Ronaldo,Vidic,Evra,Chico,Welbeck,Rafael,Nani,Smalling,Jones,De Gea now in exchange for your Ronaldinho’s,Benzemas,Villa’s,Casillas’s,Robben’s,Essiens,Mikels Van der Vaarts & Sneijders.
Anyways I stick by my claim Wayne was the last star we bought BUT we’ll never do it again !
Hope he doesn’t go. Want him fresh for next season, plus no chance of getting injured. If he’s been treated like he has, if Woy comes crawling back, he’s gotta turn down the chance to be 5th best midfielder. Stick to United as a valued player.
Nani is 25 so he is still not in hi speak. Maybe next season will be the season where nani will score 15- 20 goals. He has the ability to score goals. I will never sell Nani. Atleast not now when we lack star players. Yeah I rate Nani as star player coz he can change the game on his own ( City Community sheild) .
I think young can be quite successful playing behind the striker like he does for england. Why not we try the same.
By this Nani will also get games and so will Tony V. We cannot sell Nani now. He has still plenty to offer.
United should not be > England. Come on support your fucking country you idiots. It’s no wonder we never win anything. Christ, every time I read any article on here the comments make me realise how petty football fans are. I agree Carrick should be in the team but it wasn’t so long ago everyone was calling for Carricks head at Utd! Now after a good season he’s te best player in that position in the world! Dumb
Oliver Norwood has apparently revealed on Twitter that he is leaving Old Trafford. The Northern Ireland international stated that he was offered a one-year contract by the Reds.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Transfer-Speculation/2012/Jun/manchester-united-transfer-rumours-and-gossip-may-2012.aspx
For every Hernandez there will be one Bebe. We have to accept that. I am happy the way we have done in the transfer market. If you look at our squad you will find that we just need two or three quality players. We don’t need major overhaul like chelsea. We need to be patient.
We have youngsters like Jones, Smalling,Cleverley, Hernandez,Welbeck, Rafael,Fabio,De gea who will improve as they gain experience. And all these names have the capability of become a star player who can win you matches on their own. We have to be patient. Thats why I am very excited that we are signing Kagawa. He will terrorize opponents and has pace to match with the likes of Nani,Rooney,Hernandez,Welbeck,Cleverley,Tony V and Young. He has huge chance of becoming an instant star.
And we should not forget we have young players coming from academy. We are in transitional period. We have to just keep hold of these players. Cannot afford to lose any of these players.
Breaking News
Manchester United have signed Digital 3D
SAF: Digital 3D will give us an extra dimension in the team never ever seen before, no doubt about that
David Gill: With Sony Digital 3D cameras I can shoot images that will blow OT out of the water.
3D glasses at an optional cost – £99.99 per person per game. Excellent value.
Good Morning United
Transfer season will inevitably bring out the usual bollocks
Nothing concerns me – I repeat nothing concerns me.
Oh okay one thing concerns me – why haven’t we bought Neymar yet?
“You can stick your fucking England up your arse, Roy.” fucking right
omg Fergie, time to sell money grubbing Nani, he is becoming a mercenary like hazard or many others before him. The market is full of mercenaries, we only take those who are willing to play for the team and get paid peanuts. Respect the club and it’s history and take that undervalue wage which you thoroughly deserve. *self righteous tone*
Feedthatlama
I will support who I fucking want you dick. Don’t come on here calling people idiots. 6 united players were booed with every touch in 98/99. Becks was hung burning outside of Upton park. United players like Carrick continuously missing out. Having to watch racist cunts like terry represent us…I have my reasons mate and hope were out before Roo gets injured again. Which united player will they blame this year.
Giggs12 – Don’t forget the England fans shouting to Beckham at the 2000 Euros, hope your kid gets cancer. Scumy cunts.
To be fair to Nani, why shouldn’t he have a pay raise? 85K isn’t all that much for a player like him. I’m sure he could get twice that elsewhere, so if we have to up it a bit to keep him, then we should.
To add Scholes played out left to accomodate the golden generation. Steve Bruce never winning a cap was a travesty at the highest level. Graham Taylor advising Giggs to opt for Wales, Capello 6 million a year. 5 players from Liverpool who arguably cost dalglish his job. A player who didn’t even start in the fa cup final wearing no 9. A player who has no goals and no assists in the prem starting left midfield. The whole set up is a laughing stock. I am from the north and have zero affinity to the southern run FA. same FA that banned Rooney for swearing yet Terry carries on after being charged for racism. Let’s not forget our glorious captain and his mates beating up one lad on camera
Giggs12Gerrard0 brucey never got a cap???????????????????dafuq????????
@MG where can i get those glasses mate???
Afternoon Reds all around the world!
Giggs12, I disagree mate. Personally, the concept of World Class players is also a myth. For me, it is just media hype.
Think about the 1999 team mate. How many of that would’ve made it into the World XI? Yet they were all great players. On his day, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer would not have been considered world class, yet he was an awesome player for us. Over the past few years, think of how many “world class” players we’ve had. Ronaldo was one and Rooney is one now. Ronaldo was probably the only truly world great player we’ve had in a long time.
We have never been reliant on the so-called world class players. As I said a few threads back, we’ve always built our teams wholly dependent on the XI players who can make a difference. Not the one player who can make a difference. The 1999 team was like this only. The plan changed when Ronaldo was here and absolutely did not like it. It made our team totally one-dimensional. Pass the ball to Ronaldo and watch his magic. It was a great sight, yes, but not what I wanted to see in a United side.
It was much better at the beginning of last season. We were playing like a proper team. Not reliant on Rooney. Not reliant on Nani. But our forward six were combining like they haven’t since the days of Beckham-Scholes-Keane-Giggs. It was a sight for sore eyes. It was simply Manchester United. That is what I want to see when I watch United play week in week out.
So, I disagree that we should be after so called world-class players. We should be after players who will add value to this Manchester United team. Who will add without removing? We did the same last year with Jones, Young and De Gea. All of them have settled in splendidly and it feels like they have been with us for a long time. Is Kagawa that player this year? I don’t know. All I do know is that Sir Alex will be thinking along those lines only. If Sir Alex thinks Kagawa can do it, then I am sure we’ll get Kagawa. If Sir Alex feels somebody else can offer the same within a reasonable price range, then we’ll get them as well.
England will lose to France and draw to Sweden….this will mark the end of their Euro campaign.
Wayne Rooney,Young,Welbeck and Jones will all start the final group stage match that has no meaning and will get booed and get majority of the blame for the exit due to their absence in the previous 2 group stage matches.
Carrick and Scholes will also get the blame for “turning down their country’s SOS calls”.
Rio Ferdy5 will get labelled a has been for not being selected and JT will be proven innocent.
This will happen, I assure you. England will have a points total of 2 points
You can’t win shit with;
Hart,Johnson,JT,Cahill,Cashley,Scotty Parker,Milner,Stevie G,Downing,Young,Caroll.
That is the definite starting XI. I don’t see Lescott,Jones,Jagielka,Oxlade,Theo or Welbeck getting opportunities during the tournament.
Feedthelama – stop rambling on about non existent crap, put the bottle down and wash away all hopes you have of henderson bringing the trophy, you’re another little englander who still believes england are a powerhouse at international football. England don’t win because they’re no where near the level of other elite footballing countries, both talent wise and mentally. With hodgson and several clueless cunts appointed as managers, picking the same old classless twats who offer fuck all to the team but are there because of their image, no wonder why fans can’t be bothered. England will be battered again and you fUCKING know the fans aren’t to blame for a country lacking top class talents. You and your adrian durham litte englander brigade are clutching on straws.
Roy hodgson gets sacked by Liverpool. What he does? Selects 5 shit players from a shit club named liverpool. Great job roy.
….Im supporting Ireland for the Euro’s…heart and passion …love it….Trappatoni is a real manager!
Imagine a fit XI of;
Given
Oshea, St Ledger, Dunne, Ward
McGeady, Keith Andrews, Gibson, James McClean
Shane Long, Keane
with bench players like;Stephen Kelly,Damien Duff,Glen Whelan,Stephen Hunt, Kevin Doyle, Jonathan Walters.
Belaji Silverman
Mate hugely agree with what your saying but at times you have to go out and buy.
If you don’t you don’t conquer Europe. The premiership is blinding us but for Fegie to have won only two European cups is what is spurring him on make no bones about it.
United make world class players, we have excellent youth in fact yhe best. No we are just a couple of real talents from being right up there.
Toure, Silva, Aguerro all top talents and cost money. We were missing what city had last year yet drew on points. We blew the title because at eastlands we knew they had more world class players so went defensive…….happy to debate the above
Clint
I won’t support anyone else I am English but until things change I will just happily support United. If any other country floats my boat you can’t argue with Germany. Financially the best league in the world, look after their supporters, league is challenging, and they play youth and international level. That is the model England shoukd aspire to do.
sadly these days o shea is just never fit to last a full game…as much as i was gutted we let him go…i can see why SAF did so.
Giggs12
I see where your coming from, I have a lot of Irish mates so I’m happy to follow Ireland too, plus they have 2 of our old boys, so its added oomph.
I hate England now, they are a disgrace to the game and like Italy have ruined it for the fans.
United of course is all I need but in Euro 2008 and WC 2010, I didn’t follow a team, so I don’t remember much about it because I didn’t have the involvement others had, probably why I am soo eager to watch Ireland this year.
Germany is the best model I agree, Everybody should follow their model, including Spain. I wouldn’t mind Germany doing well, but like England they do have the tendency to fall short.
@Giggs12 : Its @Balaji Silverback actually. Hairy beast sitting on top of a tower in chennai ,munching ladoo ,with laptop in hand.
Giggs12, We need one or two players mate. I definitely agree. All I am saying is that they don’t need to be big names. They don’t need to have media hype and self hype like Eden Hazard. They don’t need to advertise themselves like certain players are doing right now. They can be somebody who isn’t hyped. They can be somebody who the other clubs are not after right now. They need not necessarily be considered “world class” right now. I think Kagawa falls into this category. So do a lot of the other players. The moment anybody is tagged with world-class, their value immediately goes up and all the famous clubs go after them. We simply cannot compete with the big two in Spain and the ugly two in England. So, we go after someone who they are not after but who will add value to the United team. That is what I am trying to say. All I am saying is that we need not get worked up with this so-called “world-class” BS.
Yo Dave!
This blog needs your presence more often mate. Where the fuck have you been? Chasing after Hayley in order to save her from MG?
Dont know if any1 else has heard this, but rumor has it that negotiations with Nani arent going well, and that United will look to sell if the right offer comes along.
Anyone else heard something about this?
Watching football focus? Gazza looks like an old man.
What a player he was…….
Fuck off now! Germany is my team!
Get your own teams, you shady bunch of Reds! 
@Balaji Silverback: Dear Chennai resident, I take it that yr acid problem is resolved?
Dont bring @MG into a Hayley discussion. She dosent like married men.
Balaji/Giggs
I think you’re both singing from the same team sheet. We do need players, that is obvious. No they don’t need to be poster boys, but if we buy players who are the absolute BEST at doing what they do, in the position that they do it, not only does that give us a great opportunity of winning lots of matches and winning well, it also stops our rivals from having the same advantage. This is what Giggs12 alluded to with city. If we’d had Toure this year not only would we have won the league but city wouldn’t have come close. Thats my opinion!
RedPharoe.
Yup he received an offer from United and his agent has put a counter offer forward and they are waiting a response apparently.
@Willierednuts : Thot u were American. Well, fuck the germans,actchung , just go support zee Nippon!
We sign Kagawa, no?
Willie
I officially adopted Germany several threads ago so I’m way ahead of you pal. Got a shirt and everything!!
Off topic, not that we’ve been on it…. There are some right cunts at the Derby!!!
@Parryheid
Thats sucks, hopes he stays. If he goes, we’ll have a really hard time replacing him before the season starts, unless SAF has a back up plan.
He’s reported to have turned down 130 thou a week.Great player on form but the word inconsistent was coined for him.
Mikey – There’s a Stewart’s inquiry into that one?
not yet mate, we hit a big problem yesterday with a work permit issue.case will go to appeal. didnt we get something like that with the twins? i expect the deal to go through anyways.
Stewart says I have ze jermans
Fuck Willie got the Krauts. Ok I want Vadican City.
Cedars, Mr Tree. 833 post is 1 of many reasons for my man effection shines on you. Hehe some what gay, not that gay is bad.