After a successful start to his United career, winning three league titles in his first three season, as well as the European Cup and League Cup, Michael Carrick struggled in his fourth season. He was arguably one of United’s worst performing players in 2009-2010, lacking the confidence and imagination of seasons gone by.
It therefore stands to reason that he has been linked with a move away from the club, with some papers claiming he’ll be used as part of a deal to bring Jack Rodwell from Everton or Luka Modric from Tottenham Hotspur.
Carrick has claimed he has never thought about leaving though and plans to spend the rest of his career with the club.
“I have seen some stories suggesting I would be leaving last summer but I take no notice. It’s part of the game,” said Carrick. “I have never thought I was on my way out of United, not for one minute. It has never entered my mind. And neither has the manager said anything to me. This is a great place to be and results like the one against Valencia make it all worthwhile when you play a part in something like that. I have the rest of this season and next season left on my contract and I would like to stay here for the rest of my career. Why would I want to go anywhere else? It’s up to me this season to work hard to earn the right to do that and to make it a reality. So the aim is to be in the team as often as I can.”
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I loved Mickey Carrick the first three seasons. But he really has deteriorated since then. He gives the ball away way too much. I really hope he gets it together. If not, I would not be opposed to making him a make weight for Luka Modric.
Still a valuable member of the United set up.
Its not about you, its about us..we think you’re s*** and you should go and if you could convince some club to stump up some money that’d be great as well
Us having a midfielder who can’t get into the England squad….
I like him. He really needs to recapture that form. I wanna see more performances like Roma from him. Best night in the red!
Valuable but not invaluable
Seriously, I’ve lost confidence in him.
Michael Carrick broke his foot in Sept 2008. He came back that season and was played in the center of defense helping with our horrendous injury problems to the back line. I believe he helped extend van der Sars record number of clean sheets which was still on in early 2009. Playing in a leaping role didn’t suit him at all and he was injured again, think it was an achilles of something, ruling him out of the world cup. So through injury to himself, or others, he hasn’t had much time in midfield for 2 years or so. I think he can come good, but also think he is more suited to Europe and games like Arsenal, where a positional midfield player causes more problems for the oppositions. He is largely useless in England against teams that are simply lobbing the ball down the park. He has always been a specialist and I suppose it is a fair point as to how much we need him. But if he is willing to fight for his spot then fair play to him. He was sure handy in a pinch when Rio and Vidic were both missing and is a sure footed tactician who almost gives away a foul.
he had a good game against valencia and organised the defensiv midfield.
i hope he finds a way back to his old form otherwise it would be the best to put him in a deal with modric.
What else is he gonna say? Not many players want to leave United.
is an integral part of the midfield especially when a 3 man midfield is played. He does well shielding the defence and his return last wednesday was as important as rios. We need Carrick and if possible, Hergreaves to return asap
***who almost “never” gives away a foul****.
quality player ….. i personally thought ahead of this season that Carrick would be the key to our success.
He should come more into the fold as the season goes on.
You lost confidence in him because you want him to be what he is not, you need to appreciate a players ability at what he can do not what you want him to do, carrick is a top player, he is intelligent, tactically aware, good range of passing, defensively sound with his interceptions in his game, players like him are appreciated more in a technical league.
People want a physically imposing midfielder, who will roam about, run alot and score the odd thunderbolt rather than an effective player in carrick, at the moment his form could get better, just got back from injury (if he isn’t injured yet again) needs time to regain fitness but a good player for sure.
@ samuel – united WE stand
I’d give anything for him to show half the traits you’ve attributed to him because quite frankly i don’t see it
The 2 matches he’s played this season we’ve won. There’s got to be something there.
And we dint even get to some of his goals… Is sure with both feet… More games, more consistency, more confident he’s gonna be… But i still wonder if only he’d been able to block Robben’s shot… Sigh! And not make a hash of closing down Olic…
He’ll be one of our better performers this year.
He can say what ever he wants, but he needs to show his will to succeed on the pitch. at the moment he is a liability to our midfield,since he keeps giving the ball away very easily,so with or without him we can manage. We need the Carrick of two,three years ago, when he used to make very pin point passes and assists. That is why we need a player to add some spark to our Midfield dept nowadays ,because all our midfielders at the moment are below par,including Carrick.
Off topic but after Liverpool’s result today I think we may be able to revive the KRAP campaign! Just goes to show that every cloud has a silver lining after our result yesterday!
he couldnt come back from injury at a better time, and I hope he will perform like he did against CS in the CS, when he played alone with Scholes, that did work.. Fletcher should try the bench for a game or two.
o my god please bring back the last 3 season’s carrick.in Nigeria we are calling him MICHAEL PASSING.he will soon settle.goodluck michael passing.
@slim – i agree his form hasn’t being brilliant but he can revive that, he does a great job defensively, which does help the centre halfs, however i’m not sure he’ll finish his career at united, with young players like cleverly, eikrem, mathew james, pogba even gibson (if he can improve his all round game that is) e.t.c then i see carrick being eased out, the minimum he’ll be is a squad player, but at the moment we sure do need him.
1.Chelsea 18
2.Man City 14
3.Man Utd 13
Let’s all fuckin wake up,
I know, I have no patience
Carrick, like a lot of our players who find themselves not being The Next Big Thing™, gets a disproportionate amount of flak. Fact is he’s not Paul Scholes, but then nobody else is either, and he’s a very good all round midfielder who would stroll into the set up of any team in England, indeed pretty much any team barring a couple of exceptions. If anything I think he’s not given enough to do at United because he’s talented enough to run a midfield, he just doesn’t get the chance at United.
Fact is any player who can’t put in a few tricks on the Match of the Day highlight reels or get talked up in the press is going to be vulnerable to getting pick on by less informed or more demanding fans, “What have you done for us this season?” will be the question always asked. Fact is though he’s a very good player, he doesn’t complain, he doesn’t pick up silly cards, he can scrap for the middle, passes very well and he’s got a very good shot on him if he plays it. I think when he’s lacking confidence he tends to blast it, but when he’s sharp he’s got a really strong, precise finish, almost passes it into the net, just at crazy speed. I think if he really got some confidence he’d be one of our top players, I’d just like to see him assert himself more.
Another player who gets a lot of stick on here, if I might wander off down a tangent for a moment, is O’Shea. He’s another squad player, tends to only pop up on Match Of The Day when the other team scores (because he’s a defender after all) and he tends to be a backup, due to the variety of places he can play. And he gets savaged all the time here, and it pisses me right off. I have seen O’Shea play since he started out and he is a brilliant player to have in the squad. He is also a brilliant player to have on the field, he works incredibly hard, he doesn’t give too much away, he is defensively reliable against all but the very best opposition (for instance Torres bought a foul off him a bit easy, but your average chump won’t) and he can do reasonably well going forward, not great, but okay. What pisses me off is here is this lad, never spoken out of turn, never given the boss any trouble, always puts his shift in, clearly works his arse off in training and on the pitch, and if we don’t get a result he is pretty much always the first in the sights of the angry mob. It stinks. He’s not from Brazil, he didn’t cost loads of money, we didn’t pinch him before Real Madrid got their bid in, but O’Shea is still a quality player who deserves more respect than he gets around here.
Luckily Rio is back so I don’t have to launch into another rant about all the stick Jonny Evans was getting while he was covering for him.
Top post, Doghouse. i completely agree with you about unassuming players and the stick they get just because they don’t light up the world by pulling off a million stepovers or striking long range shots all the time. i’m not denying Carrick’s had a woeful season, but he’s also had three very good seasons with us, and nobody gave him the same amount of praise then as the amount of criticism he’s had from his own fans now. Everytime a player goes off form, we’re getting on his back, screaming for him to be sold, dropped (and to be fair, he HAS been dropped by Sir Alex a number of times) and goodness knows what else.
When a player’s off form, we should be backing him up, not throwing whatever abuse we can at him, because it does the team more harm than good. Just look at Berbatov, having had two seasons where his own fans were booing him at times, and what good was that to his confidence? If he’s not going to score a goal when you get behind him, he’s not going to score a goal when you jeer him. We gave him time, with Rooney out of the way with his own issues, and Berba’s the hottest property in the league right now. Why can’t we get behind Carrick and our other players the same way?
United is a team, and we should quit singling players out as scapegoats for each and every time we don’t do as well as we would like. O’Shea and Evans have been on the receiving end of much of it, and like Doghouse mentioned, for two players without complaints at not being in the first team for sustained periods of time, yet when called upon step up for the job, far from slagging them off weeki in week out, we should be grateful for having them in the team.
Top posts the last two. Hats off.
As for Carrick, quite simply, in the last 4 years I haven’t seen enough evidence that United are better off without him in the side. No matter what his flaws are, his style of play has a lot to do with our pace and composure on its game. Or the balance of our play as I like to say. Something that we haven’t had this season. We either go out balls on the wall, or struggle to play the opposition down. Hopefully, he will give the manager enough reasons to trust him again.
The problem with Carrick is he has been having lots of niggles last few years which have contributed to his loss in form. The reason Carrick blossomed in his first 2 and half seasons is because he played regularly. Carrick needs a run of games as he isnt someone who will hit the ground running. He picks up gradually and gets better as the season goes on. However last few seasons he hasnt been able to string a run of games together which has been the problem.
Apart from a few good games dont think its wrong to say Carrick hasnt been the same players since that night in Rome. it seems like he has lost the confidence in his own ability. Also lacks physical strength. gets out muscled too easily at times. Still feel if he can have a run of 10 odd games he will be back to his best.he must stay injury free though which hasnt happened for a while now
Actually I can’t think straight now.I’m only thinking about what R-R said in his post.I can’t look at the table now.it’s early times but really we need to rectify things fast.I’ve never felt so happy seeing Rio’s name on the team sheet and whilst our performance at Sunderland was dismal,things will improve.really we have about the same set of players as last season albeit TonyV’s injury,and if we almost won it last season only to lose by a point,I don’t see why we can’t do it this season.it’s our ritual poor start to the season and we’ve been through it and seen it.singling out players for poor performances isn’t pretty cos we’ve always been a team unit.All I’ve to say about Carrick-class is permanent and form is temporary.i think he’s clicking back now-I thought he was good during the Community Shield. Now now,let’s get on a winning run after the intl break.till then I’m banning the league table from my sight.
@FletchTHEMAN,samuel united we stand,Doghouse,chicaritoo.
Nice to have some sensible brothers on here. Do u remember the best midfield we had was JOS n Giggs? Carrick came in,Scholes recovered from his eye problem,Fletch started to do well and lo behold we begin to win. Last season he wasnt t his best like u said but did what he was asked,playing in defence ,doing his best. Yes sometimes i wish he was more aggresive in midfeild,cos when he does that, hes very good.He created n scored crucial goals for us,played a pivotal role in midfeild with Fletch when we drubbed Roma. What does it mean, ‘living in the past’?
Not at all,what it means is he deserves our respect,gratitude,loyalty and theright to back his words up
this season. He like all the Manutd players know the drill,the competition for places and all that,and if he does not deliver Fergie will let him go.
Last season Fergie when asked about Carrick,’said i dont know,why dont u ask him’,that comment made everyone sit up and wonder wtf! I dont know if its related but i felt he was distracted and the injuries he had; apparently he was in a club in london where a woman he was with got sexually assaulted ,turns out it was the russian doorman whodunit. Carrick had to testify in court.Can imagine his wifes reaction n Fergies reaction to all that.
Anyway im sure some of u know more about all that .U know RAWK and all these fans from other clubs talk shit, just feel we r different,spoilt lot yea but still different. Scott shud have shot those arsenal bitches that came on in the arse article. Thats why i dun like reading the comments on M.E.N
cos those blue shitty aliens keep fucking up the MANUTD articles.
The way Ferguson is sorting out Rio,Wes,Owen,Carrick among others (Vidic sorted already) is very interesting,if he succeds then we will have a highly motivated bunch to fight for honours this season.
This is probaly the best start we have had in years,we will start winning ,home and away after the international break.West Brom like to play open passing football,that shud suit us well.
Lastly,Fergie has alot of key decisions to make this season , example 7 strikers, who stays who goes, who replaces VDS , the four pillars(VDS,Gary,Scholes,Ryan) retire or one more year and who takes thier place.
Have faith brothers!!!!
Walk the talk, Michael… Walk the talk
The Injuries to him in the last two seasons haven’t helped. He has the talent and i am sure if he can get a decent run in the side he will recapture his form. He still has a lot to contribute to the team IMHO.
Just looking at the Midfield where most of us felt we lack a lot. Anderson has come on and has played well. Hopefully OH will get on the pitch soon and Scholes will be back after the international break.
Our Midfield options are – Scholes, Fletcher, Anderson, Carrick, Darren Gibson. Giggs and Park can play in the MF too. And if OH comes back then it’ll be great.
Not too bad IMO.
Problem is all these players are all quoting ‘I WILL come good’, while in the mean time we see with a telescope The Chavs sail over the horizon in the far distance.
It’s just not good enough, and games were we normaly picking up three points we are now scrapping for a single one.
Fergie knew the problems we have in the centre mid-field (we all did) but we watch helplessly while Van der Vart, Ozil and the preiously Sneider are taken up by other clubs and ‘value’ prices.
Simply put the likes of Carrick and Anderson are not good enough and I doubt Hargreaves will come back the same if at all.
Doghouse – I don’t actually think that John O’Shea gets that much flak. Most of the people on here would accept that he is a vital squad player due to his adaptability and versatility.
If anything, it is Ferguson that is getting flak for selecting him as our first choice right back so far this season. Lets face it, as useful as John O’Shea is he should not be the first choice right back in a team aspiring to win the title. And when we have a talented young Brazilian right back who had been merely warming the bench until the Valencia game, many posters (Scott included) couldn’t fathom why O’Shea was the first choice right back, especially since Ferguson had said there would be a greater emphasis on youth this season. Lets face it, of the youngsters we have, the twins are probably our best bet to become successful players for Manchester United, and they wont do that by sitting on the bench!
I don’t think RM would have sold all the three players you mentioned at the price that they were actually sold. We would have to pay a lot more to get them.
Even if we had got them, then also was there any guarantee that they would have been successful at United. I have my doubts.
Fellow RoM-ers, I am just as furstrated as all of you watching what is happening before our eyes. Little additonal analysis to offer, and I do agree with all the obvious problems of not having a great MF, little cover for Rio, selection issues (O’Shea instead of Rafael). Just a couple of pts:
1. Team tactics: IMO, we just dont have a MF capable of operating an effective 4-4-2 at the moment. Fletch has been playing out of his skin for the entire last season, and he doesn’t look half as good when he is asked to play the role of two people. And, let’s face it, he is NOT the new Keano. Let’s also understand that the game has moved on tactically from what it was ten yrs back. It’s bcome even more physical, aggresive and you have a lot of teams who press very hard. The best formation seems to be a 4-2-3-1, and i think its a myth that you cant play attractive football with that formation. It can really work and look good, if you have a talented front three and they exchange positions rapidly. The way Utd. can do that is play Rooney on the left, exchanging positons with Berbatov or Chicharito as the frontman. You get Fletch and Carick to shield Scholes or Ando upfront in the middle. We should not stick to our romantic traditon of 4-4-2. The formation is not an independent variable, its a function of the players you have and the opposition’s tactics. There are very few MFs who can control a midfield in a 4-4-2 formation today. Schweinsteiger is one that comes to mind -the bastard has unlimited strength, lung power and is great both defensively and in attack. There are very few others who can do that. Even Xavi/Iniesta may not work that well in a 4-4-2. And as far as opposition tactics are concerned, why, one would have to be patently blind not to realize that teams have pretty much worked us out. Keep pressing, stifle Scholes, dont give them time on the ball, kick Nani to dust and send in a lot of crosses into the box, and you have a very good chance of nicking pts. off Utd. And you dont counter that by playing 4-4-2.
2. The Glazers and Fergie: Second, we all talk about how we missed getting this player or that. Objectively, I agree that Ozil or VDV would have been great. Di Maria would have been the solution to the left wing. Toure could have been the back up to Fletcher that we need so desparately. We all know the root cause of why the signings were never made – the Glazers. But you know what, if I had been in the Glazer’s position, I would have asked a simple question – how many MFs do you need? We have Scholes, Gibson, Anderson, Fletch, Carrick, Park (potentially) – why do you need more? 6 players for a max of 3 positions, and you want to buy more?!! It’s nothing to do with the Glazer’s being bastards, its a very commonplace business scenario, where the boss asks for a business case before making the investment. So, if you think through, there are 3 possible solutions to the riddle:
a. Fergie honestly thinks they are good enough (I dont believe that – he is still as keen as mustard) or he has lost his hairdryer and gone all soft and sentimental. He is too hesitant to show some of them the door.
b. He doesnt want to bring in any big names, and wants to leave with a clean slate for his successor to write on. Or he is delaying all decisions till its finally curtains for the golden generation.
c. Or, he has offered the Glazers the option to replace (not add) players, and has been refused – we cant spend at all….
What do you think? And just to be clear, I am not slating off players here – I am merely trying to be objective. I know we are slow starters, we will improve, but on current evidence and by being objective, you would agree that Ozil/VDV is better than Ando and di Maria is better than Park/Obertan. And that’s nothing against them, they still are United players and we love them for that, but it doesnt mean that their arent better players.
I am going to say this and be done quickly.
Manchester United don’t need one frigging Van Der Vaart or Di Maria to make a difference. That is the reason why Sir Alex was not disappointed in letting Ronaldo go. When he was here, it was always about him and I, for one, hated that. Football is a team game and when 11 players play together with intent and purpose like Sunderland did on Sunday against us, anybody is capable of putting in a performance against anyone. And if Sunderland can get a point off Man Utd by playing as 11 men, then we sure can win the League against anyone by playing as 11 men. It is as simple as that.
When these GROUP of people start playing well, I have no doubt about the quality that this TEAM possesses. The only downside is Valencia’s injury. I am sure SAF did not get any replacements ready because of Valencia’s outstanding fitness until that horrifying injury. Anybody who compares the likes of Park to Di Maria and speaks about quality does not know what they’re talking about. Remember the goal against Liverpool he scored last season. That was not a lucky goal or something, that was quality. And I can cite thousands of such examples for many members of the current squad to show how much quality they have.
Fact is Manchester United are a fucking TEAM. What has happened over the past few weeks purely relates to a slow start, people coming back from injury, some people not being in the best of forms, and not having proper balance in the side because of many changes. Once that kicks in after this International break, I fully expect us to roll forward on and on. That’s it, peace guys!
at the moment we do look awful…especially watching chealsea keep winning every game(except lost to….we know who)..i think maybe SAF did not have clear first 11 yet since lot of our player just start coming back or in some case lost of form…i believe once SAF have recognise his steady first 11 then we will see the united we all know…well i hope so or we just doomed…lol
Balaji – whatever you may think about Ronaldo, we wouldn’t have come close to winning 3 Premier League titles and a Champions League without him. I think we’re missing him now too (or, perhaps, his influence and ability to strike fear into the hearts of opposition). So far this season, in every away game we’ve played, the opposition has really come and had a go at us. Teams aren’t scared of Man United anymore. Do you think Sunderland, Everton, Bolton and Fulham would’ve attacked us the way they have done this season if they knew that Ronaldo was waiting to hit them on the counter attack? His very presence altered the tactics of our opposition, making them sit deeper and commit less men forward.
We don’t have a player who strikes that fear into the opposition now, and so every team we play genuinely fancies their chances against us on their own ground. How are we going to win the league when there is such a real prospect of dropping points in away games against any team in at least the top half of the table? It’s just too difficult. Chelsea, on the other hand, have got into a pattern of thrashing the lesser teams in the league. This makes these games so much easier for them – the opposition is scared of the firepower they have, and so tend to sit back and try and play for a point. That gives Chelsea 90 minutes to break down a team. We’re having to fight tooth and nail just to get a foothold in our away games. Look at the Bolton and Sunderland games, we didn’t even have any of the ball for the last 5-10 minutes! That’s unheard of for a United team trying to win a game!
Can anyone find the point in this article? Fucking ABU’s have sunk so low
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/simon-mullock/Is-it-really-necessary-for-Manchester-United-boss-Alex-Ferguson-to-so-shamelessly-join-the-Chicharito-marketing-campaign-Simon-Mullock-Column-article594113.html
Balaji, Doghouse, Costas, samuel, FletchTHEMAN, Kings and few others (forgive me if I missed your name but you will know yourselves)
Sensible posters like you keep me coming back here for a read and sometimes a contribution, otherwise with some of the juvenile tripe I read here by fickle fans it would not be worth it at all……
Mullock is a prick
I only ever go on that site to look at the Football Manager blogs and it’s just full of ABU tripe
As was said about Carrick, 2 games, 2 wins. He’s a quiet player, but when we were against Valencia, look and see how many times he was covering for other players. We never lose shape when he’s in the team, we’re a million times better defensively. Constantly filled in for Rafael when he was up the pitch, which meant we weren’t caught out there was the main thing I noticed. Not sure he’s our best choice in big games but when we want to go for it, it’s useful to have Carrick there making sure there aren’t any positional fuck-ups and keeping things ticking over.
@ Sam Smith
Fair point on Ronaldo and I see where you are coming from…. But we DID have that fear factor you speak of in Rooney last season did we not? Remember the game at the Emirates? Until he was injured defences of any team were scared shitless of Rooney just ask AC Milan and I am sure Rooney will come good again. So imagine an in form Rooney AND Berba, now for me that is more than enough to strike fear into any team…..
According to mullock if sir alex praises a player after scoring a late winner away from home it’s a marketing campaign ploy to make him uniteds next global superstar because we currently don’t have any
CedarsDevil – yeah we will definitely pick up more points once Rooney is back on form. I hope his current dip in form is purely due to his injury/personal problems, because it looked like last season he had finally got rid of the inconsistency of his game where he would score for 5 games in a row and then not score for 6 or 7 games. I’m still not convinced that Rooney and Berba can form a really effective partnership, we’ve yet to see a game where both of them have looked bang in form together. But with Nani looking like he is starting to fulfil his immense potential, we have enough going forward to trouble any team. I still wouldn’t say no to having Ronnie back though!
@ Red Devil 19
Just read the article, sort of put a smile on my face. I have read some bad press about UNITED in my days but this dick head Mullock ranks amongst the lowest. What a bitter low life pr!ck
Sam Smith
To be honest it does not concern me if Berba and Rooney do not click together as long as they are both in top form. Hernandez seems to have the ability to click with both which does give us more options. Rooney is more suited when we play with a lone striker, Berba and Hernandez can do the damage when we play 4 4 2….
CedarsDevil – but with Berba in such good form this season can we leave him out of the big matches when we want to play 4-5-1? Not sure he’ll be so happy to sit out all the big PL and CL games this year…
@cedarsdevil
agreed this guy mullock has something stuck up his arse. His accusation that fergie was told to say chichas goal was like shelling peas for marketing purposes is fucking crazy. How does his editor allow this dribble to be published
What is the main point of that article.if fergie wanted chicha to be our poster boy would he not play him regurlaly.
Sam Smith
Fair point, but we have to look at each player and how they can fit into a certain formation. Rooney was top class last season playing as the lone striker, Berba on the other hand shines more with a striking partner as he tends to prefer coming deep, so a Hernandez with him would be ideal….
Not to worry though, Fergie will keep all of them happy. Remember in 99 when we had 4 top strikers? All of them played their part and never complained and just as people were expecting first choice Cole and Yorke to win us the CL it was of course Ole and Teddy!!
@ Red Devil 19
I think because his editor is an even bigger dick head than he is
There will always be a big ABU media element because let’s face it pretty much everybody has an opinion on United. Fans of other clubs might claim to hate us but they love to read about us, especially anything that casts the team, fans or manager in a negative light, and United fans want to read what’s being said about the club. It’s a win/win for maximum audience.
The only effective counter to a hostile media is what the Scousers did over Hillsborough, just tell them to fuck off. The press tends to get all apologetic when it’s losing money.
Morning.
Wrong thread but ::
So Van Der Vaart is the inform player and we should have signed him? I will reserve judgement and see if he maintains it through the winter into the Spring. I remember 18 months ago Arshavin was the inform player and many fans wanted him. The last 7 months I wouldn’t pay him in fucking washers. Too many of our players are off form thats all. Once everyone is back we will pick up points. Do not forget Ferguson plays the long game. He has said the squad has talent for the next 8 years. It may not appear like that to some at present but lets wait and see.
Pissed off to be honest that the Rentboys played at HOME on Tuesday yet do not play till yesterday tea time. Yet United played in SPAIN on Wednesday yet played Saturday afternoon. What the fuck? Not making excuses just saying. Cannot really comment on the Sunderland game as I have been away save to say it was NEVER gonna be easy.
I see Barcalona are even finding it tricky this season. Just shows you.
Watching the Fascists last night and have to say there are two sides to Ronnie. Took his second goal superbly but at the same time he was rolling around, getting the fans backs up and gesticulating constantly. Waiting to see where it all ends for him.
Red Devil 19
i was very keen to read the link that you posted. so just decided to give it a shot. but i gave up when he described chicharito as a winger. well, says it all. plz help yourself to guess how much knowledge does he have about the game.
CUNT
I’m a big fan of Carricks and feel he still has a lot to offer this team. He had 1 below par season last year and everyone jumped on his back, blaming him for us losing the champs league final. Let’s be honest, nobody turned up that day and Ronaldo thought he could win it on his own, he felt he had a point to prove because Messi was tipped to take his world player crown. It was a big asked to win the champs league 2 years running especially without both Fletcher and Hargreaves. Carrick’s a top midfielder and I believe Fletcher likes playing with him. Let’s look at things this way, He’s played 2 games this season, both away from OT and we won both, all other away games we’ve not managed a win. He was a regular for the team in his 1st 3 seasons, we won the league in all of those. Last year he struggled for form, but wasn’t helped by his lack of regular games, we end up losing the league. The 1 competition he played in regularly last year we won, remembering he scored a crucial ( and very good ) goal in the semi fianl against the bitters. This can’t be just coincidence, I think his value to the team is underrated and given time and games, he’ll come good for us again.
To everyone who’s worried about our league table position, it’s only October, only 7 games played, the table doesn’t mean anything until after the hectic xmas and new year period. Let’s see how the bitters new boys like playing all over xmas without their usual winter break. I think as long as we’re in touching distance (no more than 5 points) come March, we’ll be in with a shout, we will probably need to take 6 points of the chavs though, which we are capable of.
Brucy … after the broken sewage pipe, how about renaming the ground “Stadium of Shite” … ?
@KIng Eric
Hi mate. The schedule was fucked up. 3 away games in 6 days. Not the first time and certainly not the last time they’ve pulled a stunt like that with us.
Carrick’s problem at the minute is that he’s way to prone to fucking up. And the position he plays in means that when he fucks up, it gives the opposition a good chance to nick a goal off us.
@CedarsDevil
Thanks pal. You are the same. We all need sensible posters in order to keep coming here, lol. Personally, my mentality is to avoid blaming players even when they are not in form or when their best years are behind them. It’s not because I feel that I am a better United fan. Far from it. It’s just that I prefer to look at who brought these players to the club and who keeps them here.
Costas – So you’re blaming the boss then? lol. You know my feelings on Carrick, he regressed last season and every player has a life span at any club, like Ince and a few others. While he’s here though, I’ll continue to support him and hope he can produce some sort of form.
@ Costas
Cheers mate, I raise my Arak, Raki, Ouzo or whatever else you want to drink in the early afternoon! LOL
Can anyone confirm that Berba picked up the player of the month award for October? I read it somewhere. I am glad for him if it’s true.
@willierednut
I blame them all. I just blame Fergie and the owners first, lol. Carrick is 29. I really have trouble thinking that a midfielder like Carrick who doesn’t run up and down a lot or doesn’t get too physical has gone beyond his peak. I think it’s a lack of confidence more than anything and hopefully he can regain that.
@ willie
Sorry for omitting you from my original list of ‘sensible’ posters……
Manutd.com confirms the Berba news:
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BF9E570E6%2D407E%2D44BC%2D800F%2D4A3110258114%7D&newsid=6652689
So we are 2 for 2 in those awards so far.
@CedarsDevil
Haha. Try ouzo. It’s much lighter than raki, lol.
@ Costas
Have had ouzo many times my friend, too sweet for my taste, much rather Lebanese Arak,, now that stuff gets to your head in lightening speed LOL
p.s. Great link. so happy for the guy
I cheer for Carrick while he is a United player, but I am convinced his best days ARE behind him.
He IS weak under pressure and he ISN’T the great passer that he was two seasons ago.
One thing that does need to be noted is that with Neville, Scholes & Giggs in the final few laps of their carreers, keeping Carrick would be beneficial as he is an association trained player, as long as he accepts that by staying he will only be a squad player, not a starter.
CedarsDevil – Cheers mate. Saturday was the frist time in a long time, that i got pissed off with our performance, we couldn’t even get the basics right, we gotta improve asap.
Just read goal.com, it says we failed in a bid to sign gareth bale last year with a 20mill offer and apparently we’d be in for him again next summer? If this is true (probably rumours) then if be delighted, he is a natural heir to sir ryan giggs in my opinion, his direct wing play, blistering pace, ability to pick a cross, technical abilities and overall end product would see him slot into the left wing spot easily and potentially solve our left footed winger problem, but this transfer would take forever to go through, we may end up spending 30mil on him, we should have got him from southampton that time ago, damn!! Oh well i can dream lol
We put much stock on Goal.com.
we knew it all along about Daily Mirror on United . that’s explained well why Sir Alex bluntly against them and why they deserved sort of ill treatment from Sir Alex. Those idiots don’t even bother to put efforts to pull the facts together to make constructive criticism but deliberately attack on Sir Alex and United by all means!!
btw I love Carrick and his vision on through passing from half way line. With Ron,Roo and Ryan fluent movements, in and out, we scored loads of goal that time. We need Carrick to be like that again, then this time with Chico, Nani and hopefully but surely Rooney!
Costas – Hello mate. I thought that oginwine or whatever his name is for West Brom got player of the month?
By the way its 4 aways in 9 days if we count Scunny.
@Cedars, cheers mate. I just see what the other people that you mentioned post and follow. There is no use getting all worked up at any stage of the season.
@Costas, totally agree with you on not picking on any one player. If I do get too picky on Nani from time to time, it is not because he loses a match or I blame him for our form or something. I know he is having a good time on the right wing and playing really well, but I have huge problems with his attitude. But I do agree that we win as a team and lose as a team.
De Jong dropped by Holland for the tackle on Ben Arfa
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=bert+van+marwijk&aq=0&aqi=g3g-s1g6&aql=&oq=bert+&gs_rfai=
Sorry. Wrong link.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3284/euro-2012/2010/10/04/2149874/netherlands-coach-bert-van-marwijk-slams-manchester-citys
@Willierednut – it may have come from other sources and goal.com just copied it who knows, but they are definitely not creditable, there transfer rumours is usually a pack of bullshit but we all live in hope, you gotta admit at one point, we were favourites to land bale, but some how spurs got him, probably because they promised him a certain starting place, same with aaron ramsey, its really frustrating to see we probably had first choice on this players but some how it fucked up and now they’re fulfilling there potentials but all i’m saying is a naturally left footed like bale who has similarities with giggs would improve our decisiveness, our counter attack with his pace, would bring added competitions to the players who think they can rest on there laurels after a few success.
@King Eric
You might be right. It’s probably be a different award. I think the other award will be announced later in the month along with who was the best manager. At least it was nice to hear that fans acknowledged him as the best for October among all the media Chelsea wanking.
I didn’t include the Scunthorpe game. My issue is with the Premier League and how they schedule the matches based on Sky’s needs. It’s ridiculous. If a team plays away from England on Wednesday, they shouldn’t be playing on Saturday.
@Balaji Sivaraman
It’s his theatricks that annoy me to be honest. He is becoming too much like Cristiano in that respect and I don’t like it. As a commentator said on Saturday, at some point he will be really hurt and the refs won’t believe him. Other than that, he has started the season very well, but like every other current United player, he has had his bad moments too. Not many of them though.
if hargo comes back and is ok and when anderson gets match fit i don’t see him much more than a squad player, seems to have a confidence issue very thin skinned at utd both qualities very detrimental wouldn’t surprise me if he’s moved on over the next year, hope he comes good don’t have a problem with him has to turn his form around big time and start showing consistency not one good game every five
I just wonder about what wrong with Obertan? I though he is a good gain to the squad with quick feet and a bit of flare..but hardly see him in the senior.
Can we bring back Cleverley anytime we want or after certain period? I want him back in squad sooner than later.. coz I think that we need natural attacking left footed in middle.
Some fucking moron in the mirror is suggesting one of our summer signings was made merely to sell shirts. Which one you ask?
“Javier Hernandez, the young Mexican winger signed from Chivas”
Idiot!
mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/simon-mullock/Is-it-really-necessary-for-Manchester-United-boss-Alex-Ferguson-to-so-shamelessly-join-the-Chicharito-marketing-campaign-Simon-Mullock-Column-article594113.html
Mark my words.
If we don’t sign an attacking midfielder in January we WON’t win the title. Simple as that.
After watching the Arsenal Chelsea game I’m worried to play them. If we play like we have all season against either of them we will be absolutely destroyed.
How the fuck can you have a left side of O’Shea and Anderson???? Fucking terrible.; Anderson needs to go.
What does Anderson add to the team?? He’s not an attacking player. Cant’ pass. We’ve seen he can’t score. He doesn’t have the engine or work rate to be a holding midfielder. So tell me what he adds. please.
Costas @ 14:01: “his theatricks that annoy me to be honest.”
I’ve got to disagree – whenever I see a replay of Nani’s “theatrics” then I see that he’s been smacked in the mouth or kicked in the ankle or whatever. The only similarity with Ronaldo is that neither got much protection from referees and both have had legitimate penalty shouts brushed aside.
When any player is running at top speed, not much contact is needed to throw him off-balance. And, of course, sometimes players “anticipate” contact. Another reason for replay on really contentious issues – like penalties or red cards ? I think so.
@reddeviled to be fair to anderson he’s had alot of injury problems thought a couple of seasons ago when hargo was fit they played together well i’m hoping for that again he’s still young and has time to improve were carrick is 30 and his best days probably behind him
@wayne.
he had 1 decent season. But how long can we keep saying that? Injury or not, he’s been absolutely awful. He’s been lazy, lethargic, and very slow. I don’t think he’s made a pass since his return
That’s like Liverpool talking about their champions league title 5 years ago still…..and look where that’s got them
RedDevilledEgg @ 14:56: “After watching the Arsenal Chelsea game I’m worried to play them. If we play like we have all season against either of them we will be absolutely destroyed.”
Oh, ye of little faith !
Your negative comments are hysterical – not funny but crazed. The sky is NOT falling in ! The world is NOT coming to an end ! We’ve seen this sort of sputtering start before – and we’ve also (recently) seen the RentBoyz come out of the gate like lions but look like pussies in December. We’ve also seen TheLads start out slowly and gather momentum as new tactics/formation/personnel are blended into the team – and they’ve turned around slow starts to win the EPL on not one but several occasions. Get a grip on reality.
The issue of an “attacking midfielder” is also very wide of the mark – UTD snatched a draw from the jaws of victory against both Fulham and Everton because of defensive deficiencies, not because TheLads “only” scored five goals. Against Sunderland, the attacking deficiency was a case of ineffective midfield play from the GingerNinja and DarrenFletcherinho (football genius) – do you want to replace them, too ?
@red devil 19: that article was so stereotypical that I was force to leave a comment for Mr Mullock about his ABU mentality. I am not sure if it will be posted or not, so I have copied it into this post.
“Now if this is not the pot calling the kettle black, I am not sure what is.
Is it really necessary for you, Mr Simon Mullock, to write a pointless, uneducated article about Manchester United?
As we saw during the 2010 FIFA World Cup, and the start of the season, Javier Hernandez has shown a promising attributes, which will hopefully make him a football superstar.
It is quite sad, and on the verge of pathetic, that you need to scrounge up this bunch of useless jargon to try to make a name for yourself and bash Sir Alex Ferguson, Manchester United and young up & coming player.
Unfortunately, you are unable – or incompetent – to publish a positive article about a Manchester United player, because of your “ABU” mentality.
Mr. Mullock, you are proving that the saying, “Jealousy is a sickness,” to be true, and I do hope you get better – and quickly.”
@denton davey
My memory is not the best in the world, but I don’t remember Nani having a legitimate shout for a penalty this season. He hasn’t dived for one either. It’s stuff that’s happening outside the box. If you rewatch the Liverpool game, you will notice him going down far too easily. And it wasn’t a case of him running at full speed. He was static for most of them. If referees are going to turn a blind eye on fouls committed against Nani, it will be because they will be very suspicious of how much contact was made.
Sorry have i been to the fucking moon or something. What the hell is going on. Kevin Davies for England? Is that because Heskey said no? Fucking hell! Javier at OT to sell shirts, thats a fucking laugh. Allthough i have been drinking alot more tequilla of late, makes you wonder. Unfortunately a Hernandez shirt isn’t for me because i have broad shoulders and I can finnish his nickname The Little P -rick. Liverpool yesterday, this is magic, i honestly feel ive been at the mushrooms again. Come on people please tell me some more news from the british isles im fucking enjoying this, beats hi de hi re-runs.
denton davey,
…. but he provides a spark to Spurs attack. He has pace, vision, passing, and a strong will to attach and get in to the box. something we lack in midfield. A player that is ready to dive in to the box and finish. Fletcher is willing, but his role doesn’t always let him get there.
scholes and fletcher were not the problem. As i mentioned it was the left side. Anderson drifted in so we had nothing on the left and Sunderland could load up the right to defend. Owen ended up out wide or even having to be back in our end defending. That is not a strong showing.
I have not said anything about Fletcher or Scholes. both very very talented players. However, we need an injection of pace in the middle. There’s no denying both these players quality. Scholes vision and passing continues to be second to none. and fletcher’s work rate is very rare. However, we are lacking a link between our midfield and our strikers. the result is very slow build-up and a lack of attack through the middle.
I know we keep dragging on about Van der Vaart….but Scott just made a post about him and he runs the show here and trumps all of us so we can keep talking about it
We had absolutely no spark or imagination against Sunderland. Fergie even said our defence was impressive. So I would say you are now off the mark.
carrick have won three titles and a champions league medal he has to be content with that and move on he definatly not world class therefore not united class. shit he cant even put barry on the bench
NEWS FLASH !
Gazzetta dello Sport is reporting that a deal is aleady done for Daniele De Rossi – in January.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
But, without doubt, De Rossi ticks ALL the boxes – experienced, still only 26, strong, boisterous, AND fucking brilliant.
How about signing Kevin Davies, his an international now and surely hes value for money. He scores and works hard and if we follow the logic of alot of the numpties on here hes good to replace Scholes at the end of the season. Afterall hes got a spot for England above Owen so just get rid of Owen and sign Davies, what do you reckon sean.
@denton
Ha, was just about to post the De Rossi news for you:
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/10/03/manchester-united-set-sights-on-26m-italian-international-as-ferguson-looks-to-strengthen-midfield/
@Sean – what are you talking about buddy? Just because certain player isn’t in the world class category, they should be shipped out? Yeah why don’t we get rid of park, o’shea, fletcher while we’re at it.
A team cannot be fully consist of world class players or there would be disharmony in the team due to every player aspiring to play matches on a regularly, you need those players that may not play matches regularly but are ready to come in the team when there is an injury to certain player while performing at there best ability, its called a squad game buddy and if you want a team consist of world class players only, who will warm the bench then you might as wel watch real madrid.
Carrick is an important member of united, he might not be flashy or your ideal fantasy player but he does his job and does them pretty effectively, needs to up his fitness and hopefully form comes after.
People need to realise playing the Arsenal fairies and the Rentboys is a very different game to Sunderland and Bolton away. They actually let us play. Drama queens again. I seem to recall following the Leeds Utd debacle last Jan many were shitting themselves about the game at the Emirates. We all know how that turned out. We have already dished out a lesson to the Chav’s in August.
Fuck me the world HAS gone mad. Since when do people panic in fucking early October, just SEVEN games in? Its daft.
as king eric and costas pointed out 4 away games in 9 days the schedule hasn’t been fair to us it looked very hot in spain all the players shirts were soaked and then the quick turn around for a saturday game i think alot of the players were tired and alot are still not match fit if not for defensive errors we’d have another 4 pts and rio makes a big difference to the d,if you take all things into account we haven’t started the season that bad and as some of the lads have pointed out when was the last time we started a season well.
@reddeviledegg i agree he has to perform this year but against sunderland he just wasn’t match fit if he starts getting a fair amount of playing time and still sucks then theres a problem but still think the kid has tons of ability
Samuel – Your posts are spot on mate. as I say has the world gone fucking mad! Is this gonna be a recurring theme? One win everyone bigs us up, a draw and we are fucked . Fickle ain’t the word.
denton – IF that de Rossi rumour IS true you my friend will be VERY happy, as will I. Cannot see it though. I think Defour is more likely.
Anderson and Carrick have played two games between them in six months and people are moaning. Give them a bit of time.
Sorry bout the multiple posts.
ha ha ha ha United tried to sign Bale for 20 million quid during the summer. fucking hell. Where does caughtoffside get their storys.
A line from the fucking Daily Mail’s match report:
“Ferguson used all his substitutes. including bringing on controversial signing Bebe”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1317259/The-roof-starts-fall-Manchester-Uniteds-title-bid.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz11OykZvGN
Sorry but controversial? What the fuck?
@Kingeric – exactly mate, this doom and gloom hype is getting beyond a joke, if it was up to some people, they’d overhaul the whole squad and take the spine of the team out, personally i wouldn’t wanna see the likes park/o’shea playing regularly, i think if our first choice players are fully fit and performing , they shouldn’t be starting games but when there is an injury to key players, you appreciate your squad players more, they do required job with minimum fuss and without unnecessary grumblings, this players may lack world class abilities but they probably would be sure starters at some other clubs, they work hard for the team despite lack of regular games, you can only appreciate them.
As for de rossi, would be a brilliant signing, would bring that steel into our midfield and let us dominate games again and stop teams overrunning us, he is technically good to so will pop with goals from midfield, not a creative player like scholes but he has good range of passing, he would be a good probably unlikely signing, would roma really get rid of there best players at this stage of the season and if they did, wouldn’t they put an excessive price tag on him? We can only dream.
In other very serious news. Studs up put up another mint comic haha
http://www.studs-up.com/2010/10/close-enough/
This guy has no shame in what he draws
Denton Davey – Nani goes down far to easy, like another certain player that played for us. Of topic, Europe Europe!!
caarrick is painfully average
Kevin Davies instead of Andy Carroll? What are you doing Don Fabio. De Jong dropped from the Holland squad, good decision imo, too many of these challenges going unpunished.
Goatina, doubt we will sign a 33rd year old forward who gives off more fouls than rooneys mouth. At 33, no one more surprised than he at the call up. If Davies comes, then we will all know we are skint. I think Defour at 22 more likely if anything happens in January, but then again, we never sign anyone in january. Believe we went for him before but don’t recall the specifics. Can’t see de Rossi, He is a very good player, kind of doubt he will transition well to the prem. Much faster game here.
Here is my take on what is going on ….. Standards Are Not Up To Code …..
http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2010/10/standards-are-not-up-to-code.html
Its simple. Chelsea have a better starting line up,we have a better squad but whats the point if they cant gel together
Interesting Statistic:
Sir Alex Ferguson and his BPL managerial proteges (aka former players) – Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce and Alex McLeish have a total of 19 draws this season. They also have just four losses in between them.
@FletchTHEMAN
If you thought i was serious about signing davies then sir i prescribe a very stiff drink followed by another and then another and then maybe youll have a better grip on reality. It was a sarcastic attack at all the people on here that seem to think that if the press say hes good, or if capello says hes good then we should sign him. the old value for money argument. i was just lending my weight to the stupidity of it all. You can be guaranteed if a silly comment needs to made ill be there.
De Rossi is a pipe dream, never gonna happen.
de rossi is wish dreaming.
i just want hargo in form.
nothing more needed.
@Goatina, Ok you got me. chortle cough, pfftahkkk. In that case, we totally agree then !)
Cheers.
2007/2008-we had 14 points from the first 7 games
2008-2009-we had 12 points from the first 7 games
and we won the league these two yrs.(left out 06/07 cos we had a good start with 19points from first 7).And if i’m not wrong, we didn’t add to our midfield since 07/08 right?(although yes, we had Ronaldo and Tevez between those yrs).
Just getting a random match.Chelsea home, we crushed them.VDS,RedNev,Evra,Fletch,Evans,Vidic,Ronny,Giggs,Rooney,Berba,Park.
Not much diff from now is it- when talking about the midfield. Also, Park(who now is said to be unable to add to the game), Evans(who now is pinpointed to be not of United cut) played. Rio didn’t play too.So what’s all the call for an attacking mid all about?If these same players can give brilliant performances then, they can now. We’ll be well oiled soon after we have the ritual shaky start to the season.
And its when injuries come wholesale, like last season, then we appreciate O’Shea and Carrick. After reading many comments here, i realise why we’re being called glory hunters some time, cos of the minority who actually prove that they are.When O’Shea scores a winner some match- then all the praise breaks the floodgates eh?
We always start slow, but how many times can these set of players dig deep and produce the goods? I look at our squad and wonder, how many match winners have we got, compared to other seasons? Not that many imo, but we do have the best manager in the business and that yet could be the difference this year.
@KingOfStretfordEnd Good on you! Now let’s move along here, nothing more to see.
In other news. Anyone else catch Steve Bruce’s postgame. Called us Man U.
For Chr*** sakes lads, when it even comes from your own. Just makes you want to weep.
And what’s happened to Tom Cleverley, he injured? Didn’t even make the bench in Wigan v Wolves.
@willie
Who were the match winners in the other seasons?Minus Ronaldo and Tevez, aren’t the match winners last time still here now?
The problem is not the result but the lack of desire to win a game and the lack of concentration which has resulted in throwing points away
the shocking part is when manager and players are unhappy about mistakes being made and yet they are repeated. Shocked that fergie was looking for positives after that woeful performance on saturday. We did defend ok but the clean sheet was more due to sunderland being wasteful than us defending well
@FletchTHEMAN
thanks mate. hopefully the frustration eases away.
I cringe whenever i hear ‘Man U’, it always sounds like they pull the Uuuu, on purpose.So derogatory.Come on Bruce,could do better than that.
7 games into the season we are panicking?. No one is panicking but its not necessary we have to get off to a slow start. A good start wont do us any harm
Actually last year we had more points after 7 games(including wins over Arsenal, Spurs and Citeh) than we do now, but we lost it. You can never tell how a season can pan out. We might go on a big winning run, we might not. Chelsea might start dropping lots of points, they might not. City might choke and they probably will…
KingOfStretfordEnd,
Footballers are not a constant. They age. They get injured, Their form dips.
Saying “they were good” and “they should still be good” is completely disregarding change and development. Neville is not the player he was 5 years ago. How can we match up to our previous heights if we haven’t strengthened our squad with fresh proven talent?
Costas
and last season we werent unbeaten at this point
City might choke but as long as they are around us in the table which they currently are they have to be taken seriously
Yes I picked up the Steve Bruce interview. Geoff Stelling on sky news always says it as well as many others. I’m not sure anyone means it as an insult they probably just need educating a little.
Off topic Well done Berba winning the Fans player of the Month.
also Off topic. Anyone read about George Bests European cup winners medal and certain others going under the Hammer to pay off his debts. Very sad for such a Great Footballer. I just hope the Museum bids and aquires them for all of us to enjoy.
Carrick had a poor season last season but hopefully he’ll put it behind him and start playing well again.
KingOfStretfordEnd – Well, you would say Berbatov and Nani and obviously Rooney, when he’s on form, but I’m talking about in the big games. Berbs and Nani have been really good for us this season, but we do need other players to step up to the plate now and again. I don’t think we should be relying on other teams to drop points, lets concentrate on what we do first and foremost.
@AIG
Yeah, just goes to show that every season is different. Unbeaten doesn’t mean a lot. We are 2 points behind the points tally we had for the same 7 fixtures last season, even though we had 2 losses in those games in 09-10. So being unbeaten means little.
I was joking about City. Even if they do choke, it won’t matter if we don’t capitalise.
It’s ok being unbeaten, but too many draws can end costing us big time. I’d rather have drew one, won 2 and lost the other one.
i don’t understand why guys are banging on about table positions. Fundamental issue so far has been the level of performance, am i the only one who sees this. The draws we’ve accumulated this season would be more appreciated if we played some decent football. United is a juggernaut of a team but like all teams rely on confidence being high and that is not something we’ve got at the moment. I mean ask your selves why a lump forms in your throat when you say “but we’re unbeaten this season” thats because we’re going about our football the wrong way. There are a number of factors involved here and some we’ll never knoow but i hope to God Fergie sorts it out fast
Slim – The level of performance was poor on Saturday. It’s ok saying we’ll turn it again, but it’s not like a fucking tap, we’ve got to work harder all over the pitch.
*on*
aig – Disagree. Clearly having read the comments on Saturday a fair few people ARE actually panicking I would say.
I am willing to have a little wager that the bitters DO choke. Haven’t got the experience of this end of the table.
They haven’t got experience, but they’ve got shit loads of money. Just because some are disappointed, with the Sunderland performance, doesn’t mean we’re all panicking. All i do every game we play, is call it as i see it, as do most people i would say and Saturday wasn’t good enough.
@ willierednut
Thats what i’m worried about willie, it takes a lot of effort, and the lads need to start showing it
Costas @ 15:34 – I never saw the Liverpool match so I can’t dispute your interpretation; in the others I have seen that Nani has been kicked and even mugged, without getting any protection from the referee. The replays clearly show that.
FletchTheMan @ 16:40: “Can’t see de Rossi, He is a very good player, kind of doubt he will transition well to the prem. Much faster game here.”
Have you seen him play ?
I’ve been tub-thumping about Daniele De Rossi on this blog for two/three years and it’s always seemed a reach-too-far but Roma have been dire this year and he might want a new challenge. He’s the dog’s bollocks – about as close to Keane-o as you could hope to find. I doubt that the “faster game” in the EPL would faze him one bit.
We should look at the dippers, and thank our lucky stars, we have a manager like SAF, who has kept us up there for 20 years.
City lack experience but have a deep and quality squad. There is always a first time. The most important thing for us though is that chelsea must have a poor patch and for a change we must capitalize.
We dropped points on saturday leaving the door open. Unlike us chelsea did not return the favour and took full advantage. It also may become necessary for us to win both the clashes against them and we havent won at the bridge for ages
WillieRedNut @ 17:57: “Berbs and Nani have been really good for us this season, but we do need other players to step up to the plate now and again. I don’t think we should be relying on other teams to drop points, lets concentrate on what we do first and foremost.’
Are you talking about the elephant in the room ?
Wayne Rooney has been missing-in-action – and also missing-from-action – so far. IF – and it seems to be something of an uncertainty at this point in tiime – WayneRooney can return to action and play his normal, average game then this would be a much stronger attacking side. HIs presence alongside DimitarBerbatov and Nani would have the knock=on effect of pushing back the other side, too – and that would benefit both the midfield and the defence. It’s a team game and WayneRooney is a key player on this team – you just can’t say that about Chicharito, KikoTheKid, or LittleMIkey.
denton davey
Agree with you completely about De Rossi. He would be a top quality signing.
If de rossi leaves there will be clubs who will bid more and offer him higher wages than us. No harm in dreaming though
Slim @ 18:25: “Fundamental issue so far has been the level of performance, am i the only one who sees this.”
No. but you are the first one to put you finger so precisely on this point. The “level of performance” has been sub-standard (for UTD) so far but the season is still young and we all live in hope.
aig @20:00: “City lack experience but have a deep and quality squad.”
Yes – and no. I’m not impressed with the quality of their defence – apart from Joe Hart who has been tremendous. Carlitos has been given a free rein and he has shown himself to be a quality striker – if not an “orthodox” one. Adam Johnson is also a superior talent – and fast as a wet fart, too, BUT very one=footed like Arjen Robben. The only other guy who has impressed me in their games has been YaYa Toure although that nasty bugger NIgel De Jong is one hell of a destroyer in midfield – I’d wager that a lot of other players “hear footsteps” when they’re playing against him. The other factor that is significant in assessing ManShitty’s performance has been Roberto Mancini’s managerial guile – he’s a crafty bugger and it would be a mistake to under-estimate him.
@ hammons thanks for that article you nailled it on the head….. all ya’ll lil footy fresh heads go have a read..i repeat carrick is not world class and he can f off as long am concerned
denton davey – Clearly, you didn’t read all post, i did say when he’s in form. Bastian the beast over De Rossi any day.
aig @ 20:04: “If de rossi leaves there will be clubs who will bid more and offer him higher wages than us. No harm in dreaming though”
Maybe; maybe not. The “usual suspects” would be Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, InterMilan, and, maybe, the other MIlan team. Barcelona have just spend a whack on Javier Mascherano; TheVirus have spent large on Khedira and Ozil; Bayern are rich and van Bommell isn’t getting any younger but I can’t see the RentBoyz or TheArse bending over backwards for him – CSKALondon has a surfeit of midfielders and TheArse just wouldn’t pay for him. So, you can’t be too sure about that.
De Rossi wouldn’t be cheap – either in terms of his transfer fee or his wages – but he would be value-for-money. A lot would depend on what he himself wants – bright lights ? or glory, glory ??
City are gonna be up there, whether we like it or not, it makes the derby far more interesting now any how. Their one weakness could be Mancini, why oh why, does he not start Johnson every game, plum!
@FletchTHEMAN
Actually, the use of MAN U was quite regular by the old timers. It got a bad meaning sometime ago, but many of the old timers of United called and still calls the team this way. But without the derogatory sense.
@ hammons thanks for that article you nailled it on the head….. all ya’ll lil footy fresh heads go have a read..and as for carrick i maintain he is not world class and he can f off as long am concerned..now de rossi can break up play he can hold the ball he give a pass and i bet he would never let in an olic type of goal or get the ball robed off him and am sure he wouldnt have been scared to keep the ball and make us tick in rome against barca instead of kicking it anywhere and everywhere
WillieRedNut @ 20:15: “Clearly, you didn’t read all post, i did say when he’s in form. Bastian the beast over De Rossi any day.”
Which post – I’ve read a lot of them today.
I’m not going to argue about Schweini v. De Rossi since they are both terrific players. I’d be delirious with either one. But the Gazzetto Dello Sport article was about De Rossi which is what I was banging on about.
The post you posted about Rooney being the elephant in the room.
@denton davey
The Liverpool game was the one it really got out of hand. Maybe it was because of his desire to beat the scousers. Other than that, I don’t think he has exaggerated more than once or twice in a match. As I said, he might have a decent penalty shout in the future only for it to get turned down because refs will be suspicious.
@reddevilegg(sry if got the name wrong mate)yeap players do age and form dips,but as you said it,form dips,so our lads will do better,cos they have a proven capacity to do so.speaking of that,we don’t have the most ageing squad,so we will come better. I just think it’s wierd to totally diss players off cos they have a string of poor games.frustation is okay but we’re completely disregarding them,not giving them any respect.Berba was facing it all this while,and then there’s a total change towards him(those ex-berba-bashers).I’m just annoyed at the way we let teams roll over us some times.it’s our concentration that’s the issue,not our ability.btw,sorry if I got some
calculations of the first 7 games over the last 2 seasons.just was trying to put across the fact that it’s not all doom.
The same goes for fans “Why would I ever want to support another club?”
vinnie paz – Its not all about being world class pal. Carrick was the mainstay of our central midfield for 3 title winning seasons and a European Cup. The lad was injured in Rome. If you cannot see what he brings to the team then its pointless.
Its painful to read some of the negative comments on Carrick. He was probably one of those who were guaranteed a place in the team in those title winning seasons.
Carrick needs to take his blinkers off….he seems to be passing sideways more and more….either that tor players in front of him aint moving into space.
anybody got any news on Hargo….Bet Costas has…LOL
nice to see you back posting common sense Denton & King Eric…..getting pissed off good and proper when the doom & gloomers saturate the post wailing & whining…..
please note no swear words today…..been to church…..praying for those who are in greater need …..
Anfield prayer I call it….!!
CedarsDevil – Hello mate. You have to look at what we have won since Carrick signed to know that he is definitely a valuable member of the squad – I judge players on what they have won, and the fact that we have won a trophy every season since he signed bares testament to that fact.
Tonybee – Thanks pal. How are you? A post from you WITHOUT swearing just isn’t right!!
Kings – Now then mate. You ok?
Tony – By the way Hargreaves is due to return for the Wolves game in the Carling Cup. Lets hope he does. Sadly there are no more reserve games for about 5 weeks to give him a run out.
Really doubt any move for Modric will happen, Spurs will ask for a TON of money consdering he was bought for like 17 million pounds. And Spurs aren’t stupid enough to value Carrick at anything close to what we would ask for.
Carrick: Why Would I Ever Want To Leave United?
Eh cos no one else would pay you £70k per week to masquerade as a world class midfielder. LOFL
He’s got more medals than Fab.
Tim Sherwood has more PL medals than Fab- your point? Ha ha. All in jest willierednut. We pay Diaby and Song a wage too you know.
The point is, he’s won more medals. Diaby and Song have won nowt.