Choose England. Choose to string up and set alight effigies of Beckham after France 98. Choose to celebrate wildly four years later when Beckham scores the goal against Greece that puts England in the World Cup and go on to worship him. Choose to sing “Stand up if you hate Man U” at Wembley while Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt and David Beckham are on the pitch. Choose going without a trophy for longer than City. Choose to boo and do aeroplane impressions on the 50th anniversary of Munich. Choose to get giddy over friendlies. Choose banning a United player for 8 months and fining them £50k for the same offence a City player received no ban and a £2k fine for. Choose to support Steven Gerrard, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Gareth Barry, David James and the other scrotes that make up the squad. Choose to welcome back Jamie “at least it wasn’t England” Carragher. Choose booing your own players at half-time, full-time and when they touch the ball. Choose relaying your pitch every four months at a cost of £125k a time and still getting it wrong. Choose to call Rooney a fat bastard all season and wish Colleen had a stillbirth, then chant his name until your throat is raw for 5 weeks. Choose delusion of the highest degree. Choose Carlsberg adverts. Choose 44 years of fuck all. Choose penalties. Choose scapegoats. Choose to forget it all in August and go back to Muuuuuuunnnniiiiccccchhhhhh. Choose England.
UNITED > England designs on Mancunia Merchandise: 1, 2, 3, 4.
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England fans not trusted to respect Busby Babes tribute
The FA screw United over with FA Cup 2000
Wembley jeers won’t stop silence
David Beckham dartboard
Isn’t it time the FA made an example of someone else?
Carragher: I’d rather miss for England than Liverpool
Carlsberg “Munich” advert
FA stitch United up with Evra ban
United > England on Facebook
RoM on the FA
RoM on United > England
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Pretty much spot on. You forgot though all the Ingerland fans with the Nazi salutes when playing in Germany (oh the irony).
In 1995 I got brought to see England v Ireland in landsdown road, we had lively tickets in the west stand, I choose that . Memories I’ll never forget and I got to go on to the pitch aswell
Ure right Scott, I hope football wins the world cup lol
Well you have me convinced Scott. I choose England and I am not even English.:D Seriously, I wouldn’t choose my country or any other country over United. I reserve my patriotism for more real problems.
@GHTT
Was that a friendly game that got interrupted while Ireland were ahead 1-0? At the time I lived in England and I just remember hearing about it. I also think that Seaman with his trademark moustache was in goal…
Choose United. I used to like Ingurland when I was younger. Then I started to see the hatred for United in the media and through the fans in the national game. When I was younger and alittle naive to all this every major tournament I went to see Ingurland play in Solihull I got some sort of racial abuse from some “proper lian hearted anglo saxon Ingurland fans.” So no offence. But fcuk Ingurland. I hope they are shown up for the losers they are.
brilliant!!the rooney thing gets me more than the rest!
there were hundreds of comements denouncing lalas (the yank who said usa should wind rooney up by slagging his kid) when all season long they wouldnt think twice about it.
What pisses me off though is going to United’s page at newsnow to read United stories, only to find Lampard and Gerrard quotes about England. Bleh.
@AlphaRS
Same here. When I was younger and due to the fact that I started following football in England, I did support the national team in the major tournaments. Until Beckham got sent off against Argentina. That did it for me. 2 years later I didn’t shed any tears when Keegan’s group got dumped out by Romania in the group stages of the European Championship. And I wasn’t surprised when they blamed another United player for their shortcomings.
United!! There is no comparison for it! Nothing But United!
Choose life fun humour friendlyness, not ignorance, bigots, racists and miserable cnuts.
Choose the bible and Christain virtues,choose God on the sabbath.
Choose anyone other than England, lol. Ahmen.
It’s exactly those elements that make me despise England. I enjoy watching the world cup and the european championships as I am a football fan as well as a passionate United fan and enjoy watching great players exhibit their magic. People always say the following to me: ‘So I take it you won’t be watching the World Cup now that England are out?’ or ‘England did qualify for the European Championship so I guess you won’t be watching it?’ To which I respond: ‘I will enjoy it even more now there is no vulgar over excitement at Englands participation, these tournaments are not just about fucking England!’ The fucking media always interview other participating nations asking about Englands chances. If that were me I would say ‘who gives a fuck!’. Let me make a few things clear here, Uruguay have won the world cup twice, Hungary have made two world cup finals, the old Czechoslovakia have been in two world cup finals. This nation is worse than Liverpool fans, the only difference being that every forthcoming world cup is supposed to be ‘Englands’ year.
@Costas
Mate in some shape of form it is always a United players fault regardless of whether they play for Ingurland or not. Remember the Rooney Ronaldo incident? Fcuk Ingurland mate and fcuk their numpty fans. They can call Rooney a fat bastard all season and then scream his name until their throats are red raw. Ingurland need United. United don’t need Ingurland. SAF is the single reason why the coefficient of Ingulands clubs has increases since the birth of the Champions league. Perhaps the ABU’s should remember that before they spout their shite.
United > Inguland
United > Citeh
United > Bin Dippers
United > Rent Boyz
United > Ronaldo
‘England did qualify for the European Championship so I guess you won’t be watching it?’ To which I respond: ‘. Sorry I meant to say Engalnd didn’t qualify!
Won’t even be bothering to switch a TV on for any of the England games.Will be sat on a beach in Greece for a week………….sheer bliss.
Good article this one as I share these sentiments exactly… I will watch the WC because of the showcase of talent from all the teams and I’m looking forward to some quality matches between the nations!
I will cheer on England but more so the Utd lads… And I won’t be crying in my beer if we go out in the quarters! I will most likely avoid watching in the pubs because that’s when it really does get annoying listening to rival fans slagging utd boys off…
So all in all looking forward to WC as spectacle and watching some great talented players from across the world but by god this summer can’t go quick enough for me so we can get back to what’s important and that’s getting our trophy back home to OT!
Sorry don’t get the article at all. I don’t feel the need to CHOOSE as it were. I see England as a completely different sport as international football is to club football. England fans didn’t burn an doll of David Beckham, England fans didn’t sing “Stand up if you hate ManU”, England fans didn’t make aeroplane noises on the 50th anniversery of Munich. City fans, Chelsea fans, Arsenal Fans, Liverpool Fans, Millwall Fans, Spurs Fans, Palace Fans ………. did. The people who go to watch England play are not fans in their own right but also fans of other clubs and some silly rivalrys come out, hardly surprising when there isn’t much to cheer about. I have many a friend that openly hate United and United fans, to me thats their perogative, they don’t hate me. They tell me they hate United because of the fans and because they like to stand alone away from England and have a massive chip on their shoulder. And I tend to agree that some do to some extent. When everyone took the piss out of United fans coming from from all over the world, who took the piss the most, the Liverpool fans, the Arsenal fans or even the City fans. NO it was the United fans and on every blog on here you see some reference to “I’m a stretford ender and you come to see the games that often Prawn Sandwich man”.
United is my life
England is my Life
Many things that im not prepared to tell you about is my life.
I Choose life
You choose being bitter, twisted and feeling hard done by.
Its a shame alot of United fans, mainly the one from Manchester, feel the need to be outside England as it were. Maybe its because of Margaret Thatcher as Manchester was the only place effected by her policies, maybe its to do with the weather. Who knows. All I know is I love Manchester United and its my life, I don’t mind Manchester as a City, I haven’t really explored as its difficult to do with a small kid and earlier in life I wasn’t rich enough to the things i would have liked to do. Historically Manchester has aot to be proud of, a fantastic heritage and arguably the back bone of Britain. Its just a shame some of the people have become so bitter and twisted and turned their backs on others who want to celibrate with them. I dont understand why we call the City fans Bitter when this article goes along way to proving most of us are.
GoatInAUnitedShirt – You keep calling us bitter and twisted. I don’t feel bitter about anything. I live in the best city in the world and I support the best team in the world with the best manager in the world. I have nothing to be bitter about and certainly don’t have a chip on my shoulder. I am immensely proud of my city and club… whilst I find the whole England set-up embarrassing. How can you take pride in that bunch of pricks? If you want to cheers on rent boys and bindippers, be my guest, but Steven Gerrard is still Steven Gerrard, John Terry is still John Terry, it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference that they’re now wearing a white shirt instead of a Chelsea or Liverpool one.
“Did you cheer when Beckham scored?” we’d sing to the opposition, because they did, because they’re hypocrites. How can you call Gerrard or Lampard or Ashley Cole or Terry all the names under the sun… then celebrate when they score a goal?
Choose a scumbag as your captain.
Lads,
I have been eagerly awaiting the world cup and although not supprised i was hoping to see some movement in the trany market for us prior to now.
I dont think we need too many players however there are 2 & 1 which i would gamble on! that i am crying out for and i will explain my reasons!
Dezeko – Now i know that berbatov hasnt worked for united as he was expected, and has been a bit of a dissapointment maybe just suffering from stage fright and the lack of ability to handle the pressure of playing for a big club. Who knows, i dont think it is as bad as some have reported, some idiot has even said Fergie should retire after his shameful transfer dealings (shame on that idiot, he should piss off and support city!) .. No manager is going to get it right all the time and we all could see what fergie was trying when he signed him, unfortunitaly it just didnt work!…………………… Why Dezeko, This boy is what we are crying out for, Some one with pace, Height and strength to cause most defenders problems & give us a differnt option! Well worth the 25mil if you ask me!
James Milner!…… James Milner is my Number 1 transfer target, When i watch this lad play i see a true United player. His work rate is excelent, Passing Great and he possesss great football inteligence. Milner is going to be the next English midfield star and i whole heartedly feel he would fit straight in at united
Joe Cole – This although a little gamle due to his injuries and age, however i keep telling myself its a bit of a no brainer! Its like Signing Owen last year we had nothing to loose! Some only looked at Owens performances on the pitch but i would have to look a little deeper! What effect did owen have on Rooney last year? I thihk Roony has learned a lot from Owen and maybe that was Fergies intensions. Anyhow back to joe cole, Speaking of Attacking Wingers next year i dont think we can count on giggs, He wil play and do a job but i dont want to rely on him due to his age and i can see him playing more central even than last year! We have nani, Valencia. Joe cole would produce a fantastic 3rd alternative!
The thought of that scum Terry ever being a world champion is enough reason for me to want England to fail. It’s hardly a group of players to be proud of. That said of all the players you mentioned Scott, I actually don’t mind Jamie Carragher. He comes across as one of the few decent blokes in this squad.
No point contemplating it anyway. England have an extremely slim chance of winning the world cup.They’re a hard side to face, never easy to beat. But they don’t have the fire power to take them all the way, and they’re so unfluent on the eye they make it painful to watch. I know I’m no genius but it will be Spain or Brazil. I’ll stick my neck out for the Brazillians and my 20 pound punt on Nilmar at 33/1. Come on Brazil!
Lads,
Christ just looking at this choose england thing, what the F is this about! It sounds a load of bollox!
Why cry over spilt milk! Some people just have to move on!
What we have to accept is that their are Idiots in every Fan Base!,
Look at the United Mob who trashed Barnsleys Stadium causing 15k plus of damage!.. We all need to get real!
spot on scott. fuck England. we dropped out of the most historic & famous cup competition on the planet as a favour for the fa. we let out Old Trafford for fa cup games & England games as a favour for the fa. they respond by continuously treating our club like cunts.
rio was disrespectful to travel when he wasn’t 100% and now coul miss the start of the season. wanker.
anyone but England or France for me.
the sooner England go out, the more rest Rooney gets for next season!
I don’t think this article is required. Yes, I’m sure that some United players have been the subject of some sick, horrible chants (only by a handful) but you do realise that there are United players in this England side that are seen as icons and role models.
We don’t need to ‘choose’ some of the things, literally, because all I’ll be doing during this World Cup is supporting my country, England, not ‘Choose to boo and make aeroplane noises on the 50th anniversary of Munich.’
‘Choose going without a trophy for longer than City.’ Surely, I’ve read something wrong? Is that trying to say we, as United fans, are glory hunters.
Scott, there is a reason I’ve signed up to the RSS feeds. This is by far the best United blog out there, and many strive to be as successful as this blog, but do remember that most of will cheer on England AND United. I don’t think choosing England is a case of Country over Club. Nothing more than supporting your country.
i cant stand cheering those fuckers right now rooney is their god perhaps he fucks it up in the quaters,they will view him from the anti-united angle n boo him all season long………
With regards to Gerrard as captain!
I dont see the problem of it! I dont like Gerrard and feel that wanker seems to get away with most things. But when he pulls on an England Shirt im behind him!
There is one player in the England team who i dont want as captain at this world cup and that is our Wayne Rooney!…
Before the daggers start flying!
Rooney is Englands only hope! He has immence pressure placed on him to perform and score goals! He needs no more added pressure of being captain! Just let this lad concentrate on his game and nothing else!
Can Rooney handle pressure?…… Christ i know he can at times but he has this control issue going on and i dont mean controling footballs, controling his passion and temper! When rooney gets rattled his performance levels drop by 40% and his play gets sloppy! He ends up hurling about the pitch being prime candidate for a yellow or red card, his control becomes as good as emile hesky and the simple of pass prove too difficult for him!………..
Let Wayne Enjoy his football & us enjoy the end product ! Let some of the mature players be Captain! No matter what happens the spot light will always be on rooney as he is our only hope!
Choose life, choose ready break, choose a bit of nookie in the morning, but most of all, choose United. On the United > England, i wouldn’t let any of the morons that follow England stop me from supporting my country. I can see where some United fans are coming from, the abuse our players have got down the years has been disgracefull, i would suggest that we should just support all the United players competing at this years tournament.
Gary – I don’t mind Carragher either and I like his stance in regards to England. He’s a club > country man (the only shame is that club is Liverpool). The point is, he publicly claimed he wasn’t as arsed to miss a penalty for England as he was for Liverpool, stepped down from England selection… and now is being welcomed back in to the fold.
Jamie Carragher!
I Admire Jamie Carragher! He is liverpools version of Gary Nevile!
Carragher like nevile over the years has produced quality high level of performances consistantly! Both love their club and in my opinion both deserve to be at the world cup this year!
People harp on about him coming out of retirement to go to the world cup, what is the big deal?? He retired from international football due to lack of chances. Didnt want to travel away from his family for international duty just to watch in the stands!.
Now this world cup we have had Injury Doubts about Ferdinand and for some reason are taking Leadly King!. If i had to pic the top 5 center halfs in england who i would trust i am affraid carragher would be one of them!
Leadly King
I feel sorry for this bloke! If he hadnt injury problems he would be one of the best Centre Halfs in the world!
I think it is too much of a risk that he is with us at the word cup. With defences you need consistancy, It is one area where you cant afford to chop and change!
With kings problems i dont think it is an option for him to play ever game, can we risk it? I dont think so!
I think King will end up being a fringe player but who knows!
@Scott the Red
With regards to Carragher coming out of retirment we cant really blaim him for going into retirement.
At that time he wasnt near first team, Was being pulled away from family and he looked on it that he would be better staying at home with the family getting extra rest for club football.
Never herd the penalty claims before which is wrong, maybe misquoted or maybe too honest! Who knows which!
@Gary
Shame on you lad! Shame on you.
How can the hate of one player stop the nation from enjoying a fantastic World Cup win?.. One man does not make a team.
Terry is not my biggest fan, but if i had to pic an english top 11 terry would be in it end of!… If terry scores i will be chearing him!!
International football is where you are supposed to put club rivalry behind you.
Unfortunitaly as the thread stated some fans at an England game chanted we hate United, Unfortunitaly with your comments it adds to my opinion.
You get idiots in every fan base!
STR – Have to disagree, Belfast is the best city in the world.
Scott, all Mancs here actually – “I live in the best city in the world and I support the best team in the world with the best manager in the world.”
Mate I visited Manchester last Saturday ( went to OT for the first time in my life
) and it was one of the highlights of my life so far, but Manchester was not fun in the sense that it was cold as hell. And rainy.
I prefer my Chennai, where it’s 40 degrees, not 4.
But then for each of us, our city is the best, isn’t it?
IMPORTANT: We need to somehow get this guy off of youtube. Look at his profile.
Trevor – Well read the link that’s posted in this article. It’s in his autobiography, so it’s not him being misquoted. I totally agree with what he says… the point is, why the fuck are England selecting someone like him, when he has made it so clear his country is not a priority at all.
Willie/TBM – Sorry, you’re both wrong
@willierednut
I am with you on that one!.. Support all our players.
I always look out for their matches to see how they have done and past united players for that matter! I will be looking forwrad to see what impact Ronaldo and nani have with Portugal.
Nani was good last year, i think next year he will be great and the following year close world class
If Portugal cand find some other talented players, they will have some hell of a team. Nani & ronaldo in the same team.. Will strike fear in some teams in years to come!
willirednut- Don’t you mean Chennai?
@Scott the Red
Its a difficult one but similar to the Tevez affair. We cheered and shouted for him to stay, we sang Argentina but wouldn’t sing England and now we couldn’t do enough to make him feel like shit.
Life is full of inconsistencies and all we can do is live the moment. How many have loved a woman only to call her a slag later on.
When England score I dont cheer Gerrard as I cant stand the tosser, I cheer England, what it means to me and my mates. Im happy seeing my mates happy, Im happy cheering the success of my country, my people over others. I agree with you there are players I wish never played for England and cant understand for the life of me why a person like Gerrard becomes captain with his track record but I cant stop supporting England because of the players. Like I couldn’t stop supporting Manchester United because of any particular players. Players are fickle and mercenary, the club (or national team) is where the pride is invested. The old Wembley, Old Trafford, Legendary figures is what make these institutions great.
I do keep calling you (not you personally but Mancunians) bitter and thats how you come across. I hope you realise that Im not trying to insult you, I just what you to see there is more in life and that opening up and diversifying does not weaken you or make you anyless United fans. As far as Im concerned ALL United fans are my family, I want the best for you all, and I’d fight in your corner. I see you all as a difficult brother, we think the different things, we may argue but your still my brother. Im not a Manc as you probably guessed but it doesn’t mean I havent got a great deal of respect for Manchester, I just wish that you could see what Manchester means to England (the country as a whole, not the ignorant masses) and how it has made us who we are. There wouldn’t be a Great Britain without Manchester. The big banner Manchester > England to me is insulting, not because i take it to heart (all water off a ducks back) but I feel its isolating my club, and only damaging our reputation and standing. Of course banter is good but hatred and scorn is never a positive thing.
Madchester is my second favourite city, been there plenty of times, though theboogeyman is right, it’s always raining, same as Belfast.
@Scott the Red
Because when it comes to it we can trust what we would get from him on the pitch!
Irrespective of what he has said in the past he will do a job and i think we will need his experience.
if honest i find,
Dawson – a Rough Diamond not sure what were going to get.
Upson – Not impressed enough with him and dont think he will be consistant enough
Kind – His injury situation frightens me, i dont want the situation of the Semi final only to be saying christ Upson wasnt convincing if only King had of been able to play
Comparing Carragher with the above i think it honestly is a no brainer! My only dissapointment is that Gary Nev is not there as well.
Gary Nev would have been great cover for Johnson who if i am honest am not too keen on. I dont think he is a good enough defender!
I honestly think this is the best you have ever written!
Lads,
With regards to the Manchester Weather, this is one of the things that works against us when we are trailing top players.
This is where Spain and Italy get one over on us and means we have to fight harder to some players and we sometimes loose some players!
@Trevor
How can a hatred for one player stop me cheering for England? Easy! I would soon rather drink bleach than see the likes of Ashley Cole and John Terry portrayed as heroes by the tabloids if England won the world cup, it would be less painful.
Shame on them more like! How could you ever be proud to support this squad of players when it’s full of over pampered prima donna’s is beyond me. I hope they fall flat on their faces and we get to see Terry crying when England go out on penalties…..AGAIN! “I’ll luv it if they lose! LUV IT!”
Brilliant stuff Scott, spot on!
I am cheering on my sweepstake team of USA, and hoping United players have good tournaments, especially Nani and Hernandez
GoatInAUnitedShirt – It’s nothing like Tevez actually. We all thought he was loyal to United and really loved the club. By moving to City he proved that wasn’t true at all so our feelings changed accordingly.
Terry is a cunt, whether he’s wearing a Chelsea shirt or an England shirt. That hasn’t changed. Gerrard is a cunt, whether he’s wearing a Liverpool shirt or an England shirt. That hasn’t changed etc.
If you’re going to call me bitter, can you explain what I have to be bitter about? I honestly don’t get that point at all. I am so proud of my club and where I come from, so why on earth would I be bitter about England, who inflict nothing but misery on their followers and have a bunch of wankers playing for them?
Trevor – Well I wouldn’t want a player at United who said they would rather fail for us than for their country. If England fans have such low expectations of their players, then fair do’s. As for the weather, we are Manchester United! If a bit of rain puts a player off joining us then they are not a player I would want at the club. That is embarrassing. “I mean… it would be great to play for the best manager in the world, alongside some of the best players in the world, in one of the biggest stadiums in the world, for a club with one of the greatest histories in the world… but it rains in Manchester, so nahh”. Christ almighty.
trevor says:
With regards to Gerrard as captain!
I dont see the problem of it! I dont like Gerrard and feel that wanker seems to get away with most things. But when he pulls on an England Shirt im behind him!
I cant agree with you there mate. I believe like Sir Alex does in discipline, good nature, intelligence and doing the right thing at the right time and being the upmost proffessional. As Sir Matt Busby used to say “Thats not Manchester United”.
Fabio Capello has tried to install the same sort of discipline as he did with Terry for fucking his mate girlfriend. You cant then give the armband to a man whose fucked a minor (someone under 16) and GBH. Capello was right with Terry but should have gone further by sacking him, even in the light of Rio not going. Gerrard should also of got sacked.
I agree with many that England does seem to be a waste of time, by doing things wrong, but it still is your country.
@GoatinaUnitedShirt
I totally dissagree, I think your and many others judgement is effect by the rivalry between us and the scousers!
Anyway, no point in carrying the argument i will agree to dissagree!!
Who on this site can whole heartedly say they didn’t want Ronaldo to score that penalty that knocked England out the 2006 world cup? God that was a sweet moment!
Unfortunately Scott we as mere fans of our country are unable to select the England team, therefore scrotes like Terry get selected. But I think the important thing to remember is that he is playing for OUR team, as unfortunate as that is, we are not supporting HIS team. The same goes for any other player you choose to hate!! I am a life long Manchester United fan and as ManUtd24 says, I will be supporting England as my country, not supporting individuals, and certainly not sharing the idiotic views of a minority of England fans who decide to behave like morons. I don’t think we need to choose Scott, it seems that you’r of the opinion if we choose to follow our country during the world cup we shouldn’t support Manchester United and vice versa, I think that is ridiculous. There ia also a hypocritical line in your article. You ask people to choose United over England and then question Carraghers comment that he’d rather miss a penalty for England than Liverpool? Surely that is the ultimate Liverpool > England!
Choose United – Choose England – Choose to ignore mindless idiots who force you to turn your back on your country!
@Gary
I think your a wind up!
You would be surprised by the number of players, that have turned down a move to England because of the weather.
@Scott the Red
You wrote the article, choose. It comes across as “why should I choose England BECAUSE look at what youve said about United (players etc)” That is being bitter, holding a grudge and acusing someone/something for causing you hurt that will later make you form a “negative” opinion. (negative meaning not all inclusive rather your personal view point).
Please understand Im not trying to make you feel upset. I realise very well you live in the best city (your opinion, i cannot disagree and oneday i hope to get a chance to live there for a while), we do have the best club and by far the best manager BUT why cant we as well have the best country?
The Tevez thing I suppose is a different case from your point of view but how would it be if Fergusson (god forbid) signed Terry (like he wanted to do) or Gerrard. We signed Owen. Just a question would you sing his name?? Makes me sick thinking of it. I must admit I wouldn’t but for me its not that difficult, players to me are vital to the club (or for country) but they come and go, we all have our favourites and our heroes are not neccesarily the same.
I am Maltese but I’v always supported England in every world cup since 1966. Why ? Because Manchester United are an English team and I am a staunch Man Utd fan! Maybe I always supported England because of the ties that my country had for many years with Britian.
What Scott wrote in his article is spot on. It hurts much more then my heart attack back in August when you hear, you touch and you see the hatred for United from other supporters of other teams especially from the scousers and leeds scum. I was a person who did’nt know how to hate until I learned how United and United supporters are treated. There is a thing I would like to know. How did Steevie me mention the Munich Air Crash in his auto biography? Did he said somthing nasty about it or there about ? Does anyone remember that 45 yard back pass to Drogba???
In any case I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT ENGLAND this time as long as that SCUM OF THE EARTH will be England captain…..NO WAY !!!!
willie- I can imagine why. Unless you support United or realise how great we are or how great Sir Alex is, Spain is a much bigger draw because:
1. The weather
2. The tax rate
lol…
Erm, i think ive had enough of the laptop today!
on signing out, I hope England do well in the world cup and all United players play to their best potential and their respective countries do well also!
Irrigardless of what some Mindless Idiots say!
I dont mind anyone supporting any national team irrespective of what their nationality, What i have a problem with is some idiots who have suported england most of their life now want them to do badley because Gerrard is Captain and Terry is centre half!
Christ what next?
Athens is the best city in the world.
Until you have to pay for something that is…
@trevor
Hi mate. I saw your post about our transfers. I share that concern and the truth is that things won’t get any easier after the World Cup. Something tells me that we could be done with our summer spending.
@Costas
Hi mate hope all is well!!
Yeah it is a concern, I just hope the players who we are intending to go for have poor world cups! Fergie never has had much faith in just signing players who have Good Tournaments as it doesnt make much of a differnce in respect to their Club Performances.
Its going to be a difficult Summer, Too many clubs have too much money to spend and not enough Players that they all can go for!
Well Mate, im now off for the day. Keep well & catch up again soon!
GoatInAUnitedShirt – The “choose” came from Trainspotting (http://www.generationterrorists.com/quotes/trainspotting.html) and has been parodied before (http://www.tshirtsunited.com/catalogue/tshirts/all/bitterspotting.html).
You’re not making me upset, I just don’t understand why me disliking England makes me bitter. You still haven’t managed to explain that. City fans are bitter because they are the second club in our city. What have England got that makes me bitter? Your argument doesn’t make any sense I’m afraid.
Mike Kelly – As I’ve said several times now, I totally support Carragher’s attitude. I just find it amazing that England want a player who has so publicly expressed his lack of concern about fucking up for England in comparison to fucking up for his club.
@trevor
I am fine. I hope the same goes for you.
That’s a good point you are making. I was thinking right now that Fergie rarely goes for players who make a big impact in international tournaments. I can remember Poborsky from 1996 and Rio Ferdinand from 2002(although one would think that we were contemplating getting him before the World Cup). And it’s a smart move too, because you never know if these players will carry that form with us. The problem is that we can go for players who had a bad tournament or didn’t go at all, and we could still feel the effects of the inflated transfer market. We will see.
Enjoy your day!
Costa- He does however buy players who have one good game against us.
@boogeyman
When did Djemba-Djemba play well against us?
Oops I forgot to mention Kleberson. We didn’t buy him immediately after the 2002 World Cup, but that’s when he became famous.
I will support the united lads in the world cup, I know they all can’t win but I hope they all do well and bring some of the confidence back to ot for when we bring the title back to it’s rightful home.
Top fucking post!
Costa- Haha when did Djemba² ever have a good game?
Heard that the FSW is close to signing for Inter. From Liverpool reject to European Champion. There goes Mourinho’s hard work.
@boogeyman
It took me that long to answer because I was trying to think of one! He was ok in the first couple of months for us. I loved his winner at Leeds in the Carling Cup.
This article should be made into a poster. It’s that good.
I dont support engalnd
i support duncan edwards
i support sir bobby charlton and nobby stiles
i support bryan robson
i support david beckham
i support rio
wayne rooney to win the world cup 2010
united>england
Come on Rooney!!!!. Just hope he stuffs those scummies from the US who are way too overconfident.Donovan and fucking dempsey arent fit to lick his boots and they are talking about wayne as if he is an average player.
always support the ‘orange brigade’ and they always disappoint me. COMMON HOLLAND.
@Costas
greece have an unfair advantage. with names as long as Sokratis papasthopolous and dimitris salpingidis no refree will book them. It will take hours
SAF > Mourinho > Rafa.
Good post. I agree with nearly all of it. Of course I am united before ingerland. What I hate about ingerland is mainly the fans and the fa. I will want to see them do well this summer however because of the united players involved. I want to see Rooney do well and be recognised a bit more on the world stage. I also wanted rio to leas the team far and the gobshite media to admit he is a better captain than tiny tears. I will be following England but not with the masses of delusional pricks who stick plastic fucking flags on their cars and boo Rooney whenever he is wearing the red of united. I’m also thinking of the economical benifits it will bring the country if they have a good tournament. Also I have plenty of American friends and wouldn’t be able to live it down if we lost a sport that they call soccer and hardly take any notice of.
Viva Mexico!!!!
I live in Malta and I support UNITED. United is bigger than anything else, true. But I believe that the national squad is a different kind of thing. I’ll support England and most United fans over here do the same. Maybe it’s coz of the fierce rivalry we have over here with the Italian supporters. United > England on any other day of the year, but when England play in the world cup I’ll have to say that England is more important and I really can’t phatom why you hate your national squad. If it’s cos of the fans booing the United players, you’ve got all reasons to be angry, but I don’t support the England Fans, I support the English team. Even though it might have cunts like Gerrard and Terry, but during this period those cunts are visibly friends with our Rooney, Rio & Carrick. So I can’t see what’s the problem.
@AIG
Haha! And now everyone knows why the Greeks have such long names. It’s a genius plan.
Papastathopoulos is a huge name even for Greek standards. Unfortunately the two you mentioned aren’t scheduled to start games. But Papadopoulos, Karagounis and Katsouranis will. Try booking these 3. 
Scott – I think Capello chose Carragher because of his ability to play centre back and full back and because he has been consistant. They obviously took his penalty comment with a pinch of salt. If national team managers took every comment made by a professional footballer litirally they’d have a limited pool of players to select from. They haven’t let these comments influence their selection because they’re fairly confident that when it comes to the crunch, if he were to take a penalty he will do everything in his power to score that penalty for England. Anyone who has ever played in a game of football at any level knows that when during the match all other thoughts and beliefs go out the window and its about the here and now. Capello chose the best man for the job that he had available.
@GottaHateTinyTears
That was the infamous riot in 95 yeh?
Both sets of fans were being pure cunts, I wouldnt view that as a great day out.
United fans behave, that’s why we’re not looked upon like the scummy en-gur-land cunts.
@costas
lol. Greece maybe the team to watch out for.On a serious note though how do you rate your teams chances at the world cup?. any player specifically who can make a big impact
My son and I had hoped we might get a bit more passionate about England as the WC drew closer. Now we know it’s just not going to happen, especially with Rio out.
That said I’d really love Wazza to shine …. to be top goal scorer … to be the man of the tournament but I guess that can’t happen without England doing well!!
Otherwise I’ll be supporting the team with most United players in their squad.
I’d also like to see Nani have a great WC and I have to admit …. Ronaldo.!!
AIG – Holland, the biggest under – achievers in world football. Blessed with some of the best players in Europe, they should have at least 2 world cups under their belt.
@willie.they are.breeze through the group stage and then fall flat.currently they have some amazing attacking players.hope robben is fit
willie- I’m supporting the Mexicans too!
Come on Chicharito!
Can’t see past Argentina for winners!
Higuian, Messi, Milito, Tevez, Di Maria, Aguero
Rooney, Crouch, Heskey, Defoe, J.Cole, SWP….. With the exception of Rooney a huge gulf in ability!
I think it’s perfectly possible to support United and your national team. Yes, there is an undesirable element to our international supporters and yes, it is hard to put aside one’s deep personal dislike of the Terrys and Gerrards of the team, however it is still my country.
I’m in the Caribbean right now and plan to seek out a decent bar, hopefully with a few Americans inside, to watch our opening fixture later this week. Will I be cheering on England? 100%. Does it make me any less of a United supporter? Of course not.
Will I be festooning my car, house and office with tacky flags? Not a chance. Now that is seriously annoying. That and the tenuous marketing campaigns flying around.
Mikekelly12 – Ive got the argies at 7/1, there being written off by some, i think they’ll surprise many. @boogeyman I’m looking forward to seeing chico in action, 7 goals already this kid has scored.
I agree about Holland. They had a great opportunity in 1998, but they lost to Brazil in penalties in the semis. Brazil always find a way to overcome them. In 2002 they could have capitalised on Ruud reaching his peak but they didn’t even make it to the WC.
@AIG
Not that confident to be honest. Greece have some good attacking players like Celtic’s Samaras and Ninis. Those players are the ones to look out for. But we have a huge problem in our midfield area. At Euro 2004 the midfield was key in us stifling teams. Unfortunately, 2 of those players retired and the other 2 are not the same anymore. And no other good midfielder had been brought into the squad since. Against teams like South Korea or Nigeria, we will be left exposed if they try to run against us. So if I had to guess, I would say 2 draws and a defeat or 1 draw and 2 defeats. I doubt we will lose all 3.
Looking forward to seeing some of this Di Maria… From the way some people have been talking he sounds like a good player in the making! Isn’t he a big utd fan or something? Although I heard he’s Madrid bound if papers are to believed.
Goatina…..
Read my first post on my experience and tell me if I’m allowed be bitter, I’m choosing Manchester united in this world cup, anything to do with them, and to fuck with everyone else and if that makes me bitter because I agree with everything in scotts post, yell me one thong that’s wrong with it , then paint me sky blue
Great article, although to be fair Lampard doesn’t strike me as being that much of a cunt (even if he is a jammy cockney bastard I don’t dislike the man, unlike say Mr Big Man (TM)
mikekelly12- That’s all well and good but
Maradona
Capello
Maradona will singlehandedly fuck them up. That or he will become their president if Messi manages to play to his potential.
Anyone else think Spain are WAY overrated?
Brazil to win it for me.
steve- Lampard is the only Chelsea player I have time for.
Goat – two questions:
What hallowed section of England do you hail from?
How many times have you been to Manchester?
I’m assuming given your extensive knowledge of Manchester and your deep insight into the characteristics of its inhabitants that you’ve lived here or at least frequently visit??
I choose both England and United.
When a player (be it Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Cole etc) puts on the England shirt i’ll cheer for them to do well. Obviously I’m still biased towards the United players in the England team, and always will be, but club allegiances should be put aside when it comes to the national side.
As for getting upset as to how the media (supposedly) criticizes United players more then other in the national team, over the past few world cup and euro campaigns who can really blame them (Beckham getting sent off, Rooney lashing out). I find it quite easy to let such stuff wash over me knowing that more often then not it inspires those players to prove their critics wrong, so eventually United prosper from it.
Fucking superb.
Sums up everything perfectly, and exactly the reasons why I hope England win fuck all again.
FUCK ENGLAND, LOVE UNITED
I think it’s been a well established fact that for a long long time, the majority of United fans do not give a flying f*** about Ingurland.
Quite right too.
That’s not to say the majority wish them ill, they just don’t care for them in comparison to their love for United.
Scott has touched on many of the reasons.
It makes me want to puke when you see how the governing body, the FA, have stitched us up time and time again, year in year out, singling us out for treatment not dished out elsewhere.
Opposition fans, the media slagging off all things United over and over again.
Now the world cup is here and we are expected to just forget all that?
I don’t think so.
Like Scott says, you can choose to put all those things aside if you wish.
I choose not to.
“We all agree….United are better than England!”
@ Goatina..: All your justification for supporting England seems to be based on the fact that Manchester is in England. Justification by extension or proximity amounts to jack shit. MUFC is based in Manchester, does that mean we should love the whole of Manchester, including Wastelands? Of course not. Take a very simplistic example; do you have to love your street because your house is on it? Of course not.
@Neville Neville says:
“Goat – two questions:
What hallowed section of England do you hail from?
How many times have you been to Manchester?
I’m assuming given your extensive knowledge of Manchester and your deep insight into the characteristics of its inhabitants that you’ve lived here or at least frequently visit??”
Please look at my posts your answer will be there, not where Im from but how important it is to you “a Manc” that Im not from Manchester.
I haven’t got a great insight into Manchester and I try not to tar all Mancunians with the same brush, generalising is a human trait and the only way any subject can be explained or put into text. If its caused you offence I appologise unreservedly. I do generalise about Mancs as I see Mancs as relatively tribal. They love their city almost to an extent that no other city is worth living in. Mancunian politics is very much swinging to the left and almost over represented so. So some generalisations stem from there. Its also that Manchester has produced an image of working class or abject poverty. Of course that isn’t the case all over Manchester but for a non mancunian BBC Manchester and the music does play on that and is our daily peep hole into Manchester and Mancunians so non Mancs cannot be totally blamed for their opinion of Manchester and its people. I would love to visit Manchester more, I would even love to visit England in General more but abject poverty has hindered me from repatriotisation. If I was to repatriot there is no doubt in my mind that Id look to come to Manchester as my heart lies there with Manchester United. I have no family or roots to talk of.
Rax says:
@ Goatina..: All your justification for supporting England seems to be based on the fact that Manchester is in England.
I suppose it does, I’ve never really thought of it put that way. I grew up in the south and in a patriotic family with ties to the military. I’ve never really thought of any other view point. You give a fair point mate.
Choose
Englandspotting – Scott style : )
Love it : )
@Scott the Red
Sorry I didn’t link in my head the connection with Trainspotting. Of course I’ve seen the film a few times but living abroad you can appreciate that I don’t get the exposure to the jargon or whats in. If I would have made that connection I wouldn’t have come out with the bitter comments. I do appologise and thanks for not jumping down my throat.
Its nice to chat with you, the blogee is it were and thanks for doing this “Republik of Manchester”. Its nice to get close to my beloved club and Im chuffed to bits that someone got of their fat arse and produced a meeting place for us loyal fans. I may not be from Manchester and a 100 miles from understanding how you tick but I hope you can appreciate my affection to United. To tell you the truth I don’t agree with the United > England statement BUT if I had to choose (the scenario could never excist) I would choose without doubt Manchester United over England. Thanks again for the work you do.
And I shall wear my United shirt with pride and honour whilst the England delusion begins
All be it that it would be nice for our Wayne to be top scorer and score the winning world cup goal : )
The shirt is a symbol of defiance
And no other compares to it
Goat –
Sorry mate, but you sound like you have a slight chip on your shoulder. I am bemused that you would ask if it matters to me if you’re a manc or not – no it doesn’t, but I suspect going off your posts it matters to you. I am lucky enough to turn round to people on holiday or non mancs doing the old surprised ‘a united fan from who’s actually from Manchester’ routine, with a smirk – because I know it’s just fucking ABU bollocks. Could it be that years of being told to support your local team in whatever part of the UK you’re from has had an effect on you??
To be honest mate, your stereotyping of Mancunians is amusing – on one hand you admit not actually knowing up here that well, but then go on to make such claims as “They love their city almost to an extent that no other city is worth living in”. Surely you could apply this to anywhere – I would suspect that most people who live in big cities would think this of whatever part of the country they’re in – otherwise they’d up sticks and move! Also, “Its also that Manchester has produced an image of working class or abject poverty”. Really? Have you been reading ‘Mary Barton’ or another piece of Victorian Lit that’s helped you form this opinion? Or am I just so content in my flat cap, coal sack and clogs that I’ve not noticed I am projecting this image of abject poverty?
Don’t worry, I am not offended by your posts at all – just greatly amused. You should try and visit up here more often. I think you’d be pleasantly surprised – it really, really isn’t as bad as you think! lol.
Anyway, enjoy the rest of your day.
@GoatinaUnitedShir
A few times I have read your posts and the more I do the more I think you just don’t get it.
I have my own reasons for not supporting Ingurland. I’m not from Manchester but I am a season ticket holder and over time I have understood what it means to support Manchester United. Newton Health, Munich, The Busby Babes, George Best, Mark Hughes v Barcelona, Ryan Giggs v Arsenal, Fergie Fledglings, 1999, The Glazers, Moscow. Just a few things that spring to mind. The history, the tradgedy, the United Way. I’m not from Manchester but from Birmingham so by your reckoning I should support Birmingham City or Aston Villa. I obviously live in Ingurland but Scott pretty much sums up why I can’t stand Ingurland, The 1966 this is our year ABU’s, The hypocritical FA and Ingurland fans. On top of that the racial abuse I get because I was not an anglo saxon Ingurland fan. Makes me fcukin sick mate. Manchester is my second home mate. Fcuk Ingurland and everything they represent. The 1966 team was a team full of gentlemen on and off the pitch. Look at these bunch of nobheads representing Ingurland. I just can’t bring myself to support them.
what the hell? are you serious..
I’ve been to nearly every england wembley game, and i’ve never heard ‘stand up if you hate man u’ .. if there is such thing, its like the minority who are either mancity or scouse fans.. wow? and you get the blame on whole England?
England till i die. End off
I wholeheartedly agree, fuck Ingurland – the sooner Wazza is back and on his well deserved holidays the better.
United>England
@!?
Er no. We have a whole host of reasons to dislike the Ingurlund football team.
One of my personal favourites is they are shite despite what the media will have you believe whilst at the same time harping on about 1966. Yes we know 1966 was a great year. Eric Cantona was born.
Central park – although it’s not something I’m proud of or am attempting to boast about, United fans over the years, from the MIB to the Moston Rats, have had a reputation for trouble. I know a few old reds who would be amused at your ‘united fans know how to behave comment’. Although I do take your point that their (England’s) knuckle draggers are in a league of their own.
To me, when it comes to the England team the country becomes a nation with the same mentality as city fans.
@ Alpha RS 16.08 Spot on pal, especially the anglo-Saxon comment thats when my passion for the ingurland team died.
USA!!!! Fuck england….support the country you live in. Not the cointry you’re from…
Support the porn industry, it’s on it’s knees apparently.
fucking love this.
united>england
@willierednut
Count me in mate. Always willing to fight the good fight.
@NotoriousRedDevil
I used to be quite passionate about Ingurlund. Overtime I saw the things that Scott has mentioned above. My relationship with supporting Ingurlund as strained. Then I saw that all I was to other Ingurland fans was a paki in an Ingurlund top. So fcuk em. I’m not gonna support a national team which is also the country I was born and bred in and I’m not even accepted as an Ingurlund fan?! It defies logic mate. My passion for Ingurlund died in the last world cup where enough was enough. I hope they get fcukin battered in the World Cup. Ingurlund and everythng that team stands for is a load of shite.
@benb
That would mean me supporting Sweden and personally I’d prefer to stick a broom up my arse and suck Gerrards cock.
@Alpha RS
I have never said you should support the team from the place you are from. Im not from Manchester but am a die hard United fan. To me mate that has no bearing.
I agree fully that the England team of 66 was full of Gentleman and unfortunately it seems that era is well gone. I dream England returns to that BUT whilst Im waiting I cannot just turn of my pride. Im sorry if you’ve received racial abuse and I hope things have improved or are better for you now.
A few of you have used ABU – what does that stand for??
@Neville Neville
Your absolutely right I do hear from non Manchester United fans why I dont support my local team, in my case my dad was United and its in the family blood, I had no choice in the matter not that Im complaining. Growing up I was like many do now, take the piss, on why am I a glory hunter, all my mates were Liverpool fans. BUT I also get it quite often on here saying if Im not from Manchester then Im not authentic United.
As with the stereotypig, my opinion of Manchester honestly is “tainted” by Oasis and their attitudes, the film 24 hour party people, 2pints and a packet of crisps, Vegas’s Ideal and endless other small tele titbits. Admittedly you cant believe everything from the media but its the only exposure I get. I am poor, fucking poor, and I cant get back to blighty. All I have is tele. My last match was at OT was a while ago against Zalezagereg (5-0 win champions league qualifier). It was the best day of my life, I took my family to watch a match, the town was brilliant, what i saw was fantastic apart from a few City fans but no wheres perfect despite what Scott says. I do remember a chubby lass in a fish and chip shop looking at me like I take it up the shitter when i asked for a vegetarian pie for my swedish wife. That I thought was amusing, almost two pints and a packet of crisps (or is it three pints?). Don’t get me wrong I am probably more the northern stereotype than what northerners are typecast. Glad you find it funny though and don’t take it to heart.
@GoatinaUnitedShirt
ABU means Anyone But United.
I’m not bothered about the racial abuse. Ingurlund fans have plenty of knuckle dragging morons following them. I just don’t want any part of that anymore.
Scott the Red
As i am not english, i don’t understand the politics of it. But I want united players to do well with thier national teams. Already am gutted for Rio, who i consider as one of the best if not the best ball playing center half in the world. So i want all of them to enjoy the occation and come back for us.
There were 3 reasons to support England.
1.Rooney
2.Rio
3.Carrick
So Rio’s out.Carrick’s not really likely to start many.so essentially there’s only one reason to support England-ROONEY.I’d be ecstatic if Rooney lifts the World Cup.While it disgusts me just thinking of some of the despicable ones lifting it with Rooney, the thought of Rooney winning this huge prize sort of overshadows.it could go a great step for Rooney to win the Ballon D’or.Basically i wish all our players to do well.I’m still bitter at France for that handball, but i hope Pat has a splendid tournament.Hope Nani does well.aha and keeping an eye on chicharto too.though there’s the world cup to ease my pain of lack of United action,it isn’t enough.
UNITED TILL I DIE.
As I said on another thread I usually try to get behind England in the world cup and euros but this team is full of shitehawks! Rooney is the only player I actually like now that Rio’s gone.
I’ll not tell anyone not to support their country but you can’t spend the whole season slagging off rooney and then treat him as your golden boy in the summer. This was summed up to me in the recent friendly when one of the fans was shown with a shrek doll in a Rooney shirt. Give him a bit of fucking respect if you’re gonna support him.
I hope chicharito and the US bring them down a peg or two.
@ AlphaRS – I completely understand went to an ingurland Mexico friendly with my mates Dad and my mate back in 97 was 12 at the time. Nicky Butt came on for McManaman and the Stand Up If You Hate Man U chants started I asked my mates Dad why they were doing this and got racially abused by a white skinhead who was at least 2 and a half times my age. No-one said nothing. You get racists everywhere but when someone who’s a non-racist says fuck all thats what pisses me off. If some Indian guy started giving one of my white mates grief cos he’s white I’d tell him exactly where to go. What kind of nation condones abuse at a 12 year old. Then we had the Beckham fiasco the amount of abuse I got from school just cos he played for United was unreal. I pointed out years later to several of those cunts after the Greece game that they just cheered a United boy their response “yea but he did for england not United.” More recently I’ve had people I know texting me saying Heskey injuring Rios the best thing he’s done for Ingurland, they are actually happy Rios injured. Hell I’m probably more english than they are, my old man’s done more for this country by wasting a decade of his life underwater for this country whilst most these Ingurland fans sponge of the state. Fuck em! We all know when they go out, it will be a United players’s fault. Probably Vidic who scores the winner to knock them out in Round 2. Rant Over.
Scott has put forward many Utd fans’ sentiments there brilliantly. Couldn’t have said it any better. Those Ingurland supporting muppets who mock the Munich tragedy and abuse and blame Utd players when things go wrong can continue to make a laughing stock out of themselves – these type of fans only support the national team to slate the players they loathe when the oppourtinity or reason springs. There are many level headed Ingurland fans on the other hand, who I wish there was a large number of. Although I am gutted Rio, Nev and Wes are missing out I am glad there’s only 2 Utd players in the squad now. Less Utd players = less likely they’ll be made scapegoats when Ingurland lose it all.
Agree with the theboogeyman, I fancy Brazil to win it. Although Dunga’s final 23 is nothing like the glitzy squad picked in the last WC, they have a solid team with reliable backups in all positions. They have been winning games with this squad, and you can never out rule their chances. It’ll be between them and Spain, I predict. Hope all the Utd players have a great tournament, especially Rooney, Chicharito and Nani.
Lets have a whip round for Jenna Jameson.
@NotoriousRedDevil
My sentiments exactly. Couldn’t have put it better myself. I have had loads of them examples I can give you similar to the example you have given.
An often misquote by Edmund Burke springs to mind about what happened to you at that Mexico game.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing”
United > Knuckle dragging flat foot Ingurland fans! Ha!
@GoatinaUnitedshirt – can’t say I’ve ever heard someone on here getting abuse for not being from Manchester
@willie – I heard Tito already gave her a whip round
Choose to tarnish all fans of our country’s national team based on how a minority of cockhead England fans behave. Piss poor attitude.
I suport and love United. I support and love my national team in all sports. All my hatred for certain players like Terry and Stevie-Me is on hold when they wear my country’s kit. Supporting England does not make me any less of a united fan.
Does my head in all this shite. I’ll bet on the off chance we actually do well for once, most of you England haters will be all over it in the pubs buzzing with the rest of the country. Don’t be bitter, get behind the boys for the cup. Then normal service can resume next season.
Come on England!
@Jon – I don’t understand how you can put your hatred for someone on hold. Boggles my mind.
Giggsy’s on Soccer Aid in case anyone doesn’t know.
@bigphil2003
Yeah apparently he did. It means she is available again…
Yep, Sheringham and Butt are taking part in Soccer Aid too.
Come onEngland!! Im English for fucks sake,so I will be supporting England,Englands best player is a utd player,Englands injured captain is a utd player.
So England fans who dont support utd boo utd players,boo hoo,lets all spit our dummies out and support the argies! Grow up.
Interesting Topic…. For me its United > England
Always has been and always will be.
But I do understand anybody who thinks the complete opposite, and I also understand those who love England and United equally. I don’t judge anybody.
The FA, the BBC, the Murdoch Group and all the other Media Cunts and Rival Supporters, they’ve always shited on us from on high for as long as I can remember as people have highlighted above. So I get the anti-England sentiment from people really do. Personally I tend to lean to this side myself, thats why in the Biggest Cup on Earth nothing makes me happier than seeing my lot win it in style to be honest.
http://hah.moy.su/_nw/1/37944.jpg
but on the other hand…..
What about people BORN in England who are inheritors of a World Cup winning National Team which is always brimming with Talent? From GREAVESY to Rooney, England does indeed have a footballing tradition that English People can be proud of, lest we forget. True, England the set up makes me sick to my stomach, the glory days are long gone, and the bollocks and politics behind it all is equally frustrating, but at the end of the day, when England are up against it, and I’ve got a cold Pint in my hand, and the Pubs packed, and im with the Fellas, and Joe Cole pulls this out of thin fucking air…… well, I wouldn’t be alive if I didn’t feel something would I? Wouldn’t mind him at United btw, always liked him, honest brilliant player wasted on the RentBoys….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1hD5eu2UT4
bigphil2003
I do hate these players, but whilst they play for England I can suppress that and support them as part of my national team. Just as Rooney and the rest of the England players who may want to kill each other in prem games manage to do so.
Come on England!!
bigphill2003 – That lass has stamina.
Come on England, soccer aid 2010
Ronnie top goal scorer Portugal to win the WC 100/1
Ronaldo one side and nani the other if that team clicks they could do it
@0161 -Jon
cracking post mate. you have to put these things aside when it comes to the nation. i am not english so i dont bother but had i been from england i wouldnt have said this lad plays for liverpool so lets boo him. at that moment he is an england player and that is all that matters. glad that the players dont think like some of us here.for them playing for their nation is the ultimate thing and so it should be.
GHTT – If Portugal win the world cup, i’ll give you the money myself.
Aig
you obviously didn’t read Jamie carraghers autobio
fuckin typical twats from Ireland Nicky byrne misses a pen LOL
westlife say no more, ohhh I thay.
the seperate topic about non Manchester based and Manchester based Supporters, that was quite interesting as well. Personally I don’t take regional differences any further than harsh jokes at my mates expense!!
imho theres enough confrontation and Violence in life without having to go looking for it on a Saturday afternoon. Thats why I don’t really go for all the “Your not a real United fan if you support England” or “All Bitters and All Dippers are Cunts” thing and I don’t feel any hatred towards the City of Leeds either.
Thats NOT to criticise those of you who do feel a certain way about half of Your OWN City, or about Liverpool or Leeds or whoever. Hate who you want mate, im not judging, I just see things different.
i dont care what carragher said nor do i need to. as long as he gives everything on the pitch what he says is of least importance.
Zidane Larsson Giggs
Wrong shirts – wrong time : )
Would have been something though…
spot on Paul, christ its just a bit of fun and a laugh, some folk are just way to touchy feelie, and hyper sensitive, get out fucking more
@mg zimmerframe zidane still looks good though, shame that cunt was french
Andy Townsend just said Ryan Giggs United best ever player, ye think!
i had an argument with 2 of my dipper friends and that showed me everyones thinking on this isuue varies. they said scholes was wrong to concentrate on United and not play for his country. i tried to reason with them on why scholes made this decision adn that it was valid but they didnt agree. for them what carra did was right because he agreed to play for his country. when i quizzed them about rooney and england they spoke highly about him. same thing when asked before the United-liverpool game they were having a go at Rooney. with the situation there is a change in people’s thinking
…for example, I’ve got Uncles and Aunties older than anybody blogging on here who’ve supported City longer than people blogging on here have been alive, and they’ve always told me they really don’t like the “nasty” rivialy between the Red and Blue sides of Manchester today. They think its divisive and doesn’t serve the Community everybody is so proud of, bless their cotton socks lol. Guess thats why im reluctant to entertain certain insults about City… Brothers Cousins you name it. I dont judge people who do, its just that I dont. Even Liverpudlians, some of the most Loyal “fight back to back to the death and give me their last £50 note” closest mates I have are from Liverpool. I can honestly say out of my family or friends, nobody I know who supports City or Liverpool or Leeds shares the hatred of United shown by the REAL CUNTS we always see and hear about. My lot honestly don’t carry hostility towards United, banter yeah, but they don’t have hatred aimed at actual Mancunians. As much as they support their own week in week out and have long family traditions as Supporters etc, its not hating United that gets em off, its the Football that gets them off. I feel the same indifference towards them. Banter yes, but Hate?
Guess thats why i’d never entertain the small “96 wasn’t enough” crowd despite the MUNICH chants of the Liverpool lot. Those SCUM are just that SCUM, but im not gonna join them and act like I don’t know better. Also, the Missus is originally from Leeds (ahem) and I have to admit I haven’t got any automatic hate for that City either. I’ve had nothing but mutual respect up there to be honest and I don’t just mean from her Family still up there. Banter of course, hostility, never.
@0161-Jon
Ha! If Ingurlund win the world cup in my life time I will start supporting Citeh.
You lads just dont know what real hate is, I am sorry, to me your lil digs at each other are okay often misplaced and not politically correct and badly timed and distastefull.
I have said before and will say again, go to an OLD FIRM game, wear you Celtic kit and Walk through a group of Rangers supporters after a Celtic win , I betcha you end up with the very least spat on, smacked in the face and head butted and kicked in the head.With luck you wont get a knife in your stomach or leg or drawn across your face.
Aig if Rooney wrote in his book he didn’t really give a shot about united he just wants to win stuff for England, that wouldn’t bother you , your talking out of your hole
@redscot
Round here we all know Giggs is a Legend in his own time and has been for a while now mate.
Our Boys who won the inaugural Premier League title were a Class Act, and for me, Giggs best represents Alec’s tenure at United. Faith in Local Youth.
Can you imagine how INVALUABLE Ryan Giggs has been to our Club over the years? The Footballing side is obvious to all, im talking financially. He’s both earned and saved Manchester United a fucking fortune and thats all down to our Managers approach to the game. Faith in Youth, long may it continue.
AlphaRS – Thats a dangerous thing to say.
redscot says:
You lads just dont know what real hate is, I am sorry, to me your lil digs at each other are okay often misplaced and not politically correct and badly timed and distastefull.
I have said before and will say again, go to an OLD FIRM game, wear you Celtic kit and Walk through a group of Rangers supporters after a Celtic win , I betcha you end up with the very least spat on, smacked in the face and head butted and kicked in the head.With luck you wont get a knife in your stomach or leg or drawn across your face.
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I can imagine mate bloody ell, lmao lovely bunch your lot aye?
Fringe Festival, and a quick trip to Stirling but thats about it Pal, lmao.
Does anyone give a thought to poor Carrick andf Wayne now that Rio is out and there is no Neville to blame when Ingurland go out of the WC?
Obviously it will be either Wayne or Carrick to blame for the elimination, get the death threats, have the hate mail, get effigies strung up and burnt, get slaughter by our wonderful pundicks.(not a typo)etc.
Personally i’d perfer Wayne Carrick and all our boys to be home resting preparing for next season.
@Paul, I agree paul a legend and a Icon at the club mate, but best player of all time?
Paul on a side note, for hatered, take a read of a book, no mean city, you will see what i mean its years old but the symptoms still exist
rooney will never say that. carragher gave more preferencce to his club than his country and many people in the past have said and done that by retiring from international football to concentrate only on club football
The fucking fringe festival, you thespian you , lol brilliant Paul
Jamie Rednapp just scores a real nice goal for Inguland. Half time, good game good game, to see you nice.
redscot – If there’s someone daft enough to walk through a crowd of Rangers, or Celtic fans, with either top on, then i would say there’s a spring lose in his/her brian.
I do hate seeing mexican waves at OT.
@Willie, Hi mate, hope yer well buddie, yeah agreed but, it happens buddie, you just gotta get a bit lost or drunk, I have seen it often. Lads stabbed right in front of my eyes, its disgraceful behaviour to another human, in the aid of what, too show your a tough guy surrounded bye thousands of the same colours, class I say total class, thats scum mate.
I will tell you a wee story sometime about a Hearts game I went to when I was 8, jaysus I sound like thon twat Max bygraves. lol
redscot – You don’t have to tell me that mate, i grew with all shite going on, only it was far worse over here.
Its a shame all the interclub hatred that there is nowadays. Ok theres always been rivalry and ribbing but getting your head kicked in or knifed is fucking daft. It doesnt help when the average fan writes that theyde like to kill this player or that, they are just as guilty as the perpetrator. I’ve read many of the players autobiographys and even Jimmy Murphys and Busbys. We all seem to forget that Busby played for Liverpool. We all seem to forget that when the plane went down in Munich, Liverpool were first on the phone asking if we need any of their reserve players on loan. We all seem to forget that Tony Coton is our goal keeping coach and Alex Stepney theirs (not sure if he still is). Rivalry and a laugh is one thing but violence is another. Imagine if your in a group of fans with your young son is it right they have to run the gauntlett from being stabbed or watching their dad set upon.
As for Celtic and Rangers fans I havent got the time of day for those degenerat biggots.
Fze123 says:
I do hate seeing mexican waves at OT.
I say, if ones not prepared, ones prawn sandwich falls from one lap to the floor.
rescot will do mate – the book not the old firm lmao
GHTT – where did you see those Odds btw? Portugal are the Dark Horse for me, they have an amazing side and Ronaldo for me is still the best in the World. Messi can go quiet in big games, Ronnie rarely does, he and Nani will be playing like Gods. So many Goal threats and a Brilliant Coach to boot.
Right im off before I go gotta say “GoatinaUnitedShirt” that comment you made about Maggie had me laughing my head off but im not actually sure if it was a joke mate? You said “Maybe its because of Margaret Thatcher as Manchester was the only place effected by her policies”
hahahah you what?
her “premiership” for me is best summed up with 2 domesitc events, and the last time I checked SWAMP 81 wasn’t enforced in Manchester, and the Poll Tax riots that forced her out weren’t up North either. She shat on us all equally Pal, north south west mids and east Angles, altho to be fair I should congratulate her on her EU stance, in hindsight a Lovely woman who wasn’t for Turning! Sorry for mentioning politics btw fellas its just that comment about Maggie just made me laugh when I read it is all. Wonder what team she supported?
Well Said Goat IN a UNITED shirt, the very reason I saw the light, and started supporting United.
Great comment. total class.
Great game though at Old trafford and what a wonderfull cause, the pitch looks superb, just after a few weeks rest, and some real good play too.
I applaud each and everyone of them, Stars the lot to give up there time to assist in a small way the underpriveleged kids around the World, Pure dead brilliant.
paul parker
paddy power
@ Willie I can only Imagine Belfast mate, must have been horrific, it i guess changes folk forever, fear and suspicion.Over what, unexplainable I think
Cya paul, take care, that lad is as funny as hell, and has he said to me once , a font of knowledge, i think he was poking fun. lol
@Paul Parker.
Yes that comment about Maggie was tongue in cheek. My post wasn’t but its very difficult to try and understand for me why Manchester and Mancunians seem to be on the outside so i thought i’d mention her. There is of course rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester especially after the ship canal and no doubt Manchester lost its way when the rest of the country modernised after the war. I just find it sad that there is a gulf between the people of Manchester and love for their country (as gathered by this blog).
Teddy pops one away, ohhh those were the days, classic.
Ingurland 2 rest of the world nil
Cmon the Rest of the World, get in there.
Jaysus I have the midas touch Joe kalzagi, pops one away, England 2 rest of the world 1
@redscot
Is there a link to the match, any streaming
@ Goatin a United shirt, its on terestial telly mate, on Itv, maybe get it on your sky box, after the porn channels i think.
probably one of the best posts i have read!!! sums it up for me!!
United > Ingurland
redscot Im in sweden so i dont get ITV, i get porn though lol, cheers anyway.
Sammy Hypia scores for rest of the world, and Benitez let him go, shame on you Rafa.
Probably the best centre back of recent at Liverfail, and the waiter lets him drift away, idiot
got one if anyone else is interested
http://caught-offside.com/ch1.php
stream for the match 10mins to go.
@goat sorry mate its live on the box as i said, but you being Swedish explains a lot, particularly the porn references and innuendo you type, funny though, keep it up.
Maybe some1 else has live streaming.
yeah rafa was a retard, keeping an experienced head in the squad would have helped skrtel and agger coming through now they’ve only got Carragher to learn from. And to be honest it took Carragher half of his career to find out what possition he could play. In the end they chose CB and hes too slow man.
just to clarify, one is not swedish just lost.
@ Goat, exactly that is why Sir Alex appreciates the benifit of the “old age pensioners” Dads army”.
And as for letting Didier Hanhemann go, extremely silly, and no forward thinking.
One, jaysus fuck were you Educated at Eton or Harrow lol
redscot spot on and even though it was short sighted and foolish it filled me with immense pleasure. It will go along way to making sure that even with a number of expensive transfers Liverpool have atleast 8-10 years untill they’ll be a consistant force.
So much snobbery in football nowadays, dont you think Clive, yes I do Anthony
lol, i wanted a posh word after clarify, fooled you.
here here at least 10 years, and pillaged bye more Yanks, but i wont go there. lol
Isnt John Terry A Wanker
GHHT, whats he done now mate to confirm this. Not that conformation is likely to happen
@redscot
nothing i was just thinking
@GHTT
I concur with your lengthy theorem, your juxtoposition in regards to said wanker and said John Terry is sublime and your terminology is apt and forthright. I look forward to your next engrossing prose with eagerness.
Jaysus what a pen bye Ben Shepard,
Gordon Ramsay, you twat you Scottish cunt get back in your fucking hells kitchen.
Robbie williams blows it away mind he blows and snorts anything.
Its sin die, majik
What the fucks up with fat robbie Williams hair?
Hatton 17, liking that scores, punches the air.
i just want to say something off topic
anytime,unless its a reply to someone else, a comment is left on emilys videos i get it an email and i read every one 98% are possitive but i cant tell you the amount of messages ive got in the last month laughing at us because united have won nothing this season.
chelsea liverpool and mostly city fans are leaving comments saying ” shame united won the square root of fuck all this season ” ” ha ha ha bacon nose fucked up selling tevez , united wont be winning trophys anymore starting with last season” etc etc ,
how fucking stupid are these people. ive got about 30-40 emails in the last month with messages along these lines
lmao @ Willie I thought that too mate, what a prick,
Ricky Fatton is looking like Bernard Manning these days.
Bottled it in true Ingurland fashion. Love it…!
@ gotta hate tiny tears, dont you worry about that mate, I think well know, most Reds enjoy your posts and fun and drunken banter. As for your songs and the time you take to prepare and think them through, dont care about them, some people just wanna destroy good things, do you hear me mate.
You keep being you, and stand up for what you believe.
Little Emily is great and a great wee singer, you are ingraining her in the Manchester united way.
But I totally blame her for our failure last season, not singing loud enough.
Big, no huge shout out too GHHT.
Ps I am Scottish I noted and mentally stored your fantastic post in my little brain.
England lose on pens again
Shame
Sir Ryan wins another trophy-LEGEND
what a fantastic cause, top notch
Paul Parker – know what you mean about the old timers. In past many would go and watch utd one week and city the next – can’t imagine that happening now! Mind due, even then, my dad said he could never believe the attitude of the City fans towards their own team – some things never change eh?
@redscot
nice one for,well, all of that but my point was-United a league cup champions. and they keep saying united won nothing- Idiots
Damn, Zidane still got it. I reckon he could walk into any team. Ingurland lose on penos, again, haha.
Blimey are we on Scotts FB Page?
Saw this yesterday, totally boring totally blinkered total bias.
In nearly all the top teams in the world cup there are players you’ll hate so I suppose guys come on S Korea, Mexico, etc Anyone who wants Argies to win well remember Kettleneck. Spain. Ladyboy. France Ribery/ Analka. Germany, Ballack (wanker). Nigeria ,Mikkel (if he plays) Ivory Coast, Drogba Look at all the teams then decide for yourselves who you want to win. If its the minority of England fans that makes your mind up so be it and totally your choice but don’t call us Ingurland its fu**in insulting.
Its the English Utd Fans I can’t get over not supporting England ‘Stand up if you hate Man U and You fat Bastard chants, burning David Beckham effigies are acts by the Minority of Brainless thugs who have been on the booze all day or don’t own a single brain cell between them. Wheres your National Pride?
Those that Just Hate England full Stop because of Things that happened Centuries ago or for political reasons well thats up to them.
Enjoy the World cup.
@GHTT, YES wee bagged the Carling cup, but you dont need me to do a revision of the season past.
We were so close mate. Its gonna be brilliant next season, cant wait.Although in the meantime I am soooo looking forward to the WC. It will be third I can remember in my minds eye.
Who are you supporting in the WC, England, Serbia, France, Portugal,South Korea, Mexico? lol
Am rooting for Honduras closely behind Holland. lol
Nite Reds , listen to Waving flags or Paul simon, get you in the mood.
Laterz.
Believe, just do.
@james21
“but don’t call us Ingurland its fu**in insulting.”
its an english fan chant my man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TFKQXyfA1I
Nite mate time for me to get back to work and stop wasting my life chatting to you numpties.
Its the fucking mockneys and their poor diction. Ingurland. Funny Im in sweden and i know a girl called Inga Lund.
@ Goatinautdshirt
Hi Mate
Its used as an Insult as well, saying it in a Dumb sounding voice as if we are all Dimwitted. There are lots of words and names used today and depending on how they are used it can be insulting weather mean’t or not.
I’m more pissed with English Utd fans who just can’t put Club players behind them and support their National team. I don’t hear any Scottish people Slag their national team down even if they hate Celtic/Rangers players. It all sounds contridictive to me.
james21 – I’ve got a score on the argies to win the cup, of course, i’m not english, and couldn’t give a flying fook about England. I can see your point, but can also understand some fans that won’t support England.
@james21
“….acts by the Minority of Brainless thugs who have been on the booze all day or don’t own a single brain cell between them. Wheres your National Pride?”
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-60666921.html
What’s all that about then?
My national pride dissappeared when I was just a paki in an Ingurand shirt mate.
You’re right on the fucking money, Scotty2hotty. I like Capello, actually, but see a massive anti-northern bias, as per usual. The same old F.A. that so disrespected Nobby Stiles when they refused to give him a knighthood because he blew the whistle on their anti-Catholic bias. Milner would be worth bidding for, but he’s said twice that he’d never be a United rent boy like Rio or Smudger. It’d be worth the extra 2M to get an English quality midfielder, but could the Gaffer charm him into it? Methinks not!
@ Willie
You’re Irish and I don’t expect you to. Personally I like all our Neighbours even France.
I hope you lose every penny of your bet though mate. I couldn’t stand the shitty fans gloating if kettleneck lifts the WC.
I’m normally not too arsed about the blogs on here and genrally stay fairly calm on 99% of occaisions but for alot of fans its very cotradictive like I said in my post.
@aig – I can’t speak for anyone else but my dislike for Gerrard and Terry is for far more reasons than just that they play for the dippers/chelsea. Joe cole and fat frank don’t bother me nearly as much but I couldn’t ever bring myself to cheer on the other two cunts and I don’t understand how any united fan that hates them for three quarters of the year can suddenly forget that.
Not being english I obviously don’t have the same point of view, but as much as I support northern ireland there are some players I can’t cheer on for them (Kyle lafferty springs to mind the gormless twat).
@AlphaRS
About you being called that well I’m not even going to go there. I’ve been called an English Bastard in Cardiff and Told to Fuck off back to England in Glasgow so it happens to us all, and I only wanted a beer.
As for the link well I was very upset for Becks at the time and these people would sell their own Mothers if it meant a sale, but just for a minute imagine if it was all aimed at Stevie me. Its easy to say no you wouldn’t but would you?
I don’t believe anybody could blame all England Fans for the Minority of idiots.
I would rather give up watching football then ever cheer or support John Terry.
@james21
How about if it happened in the country you were born and bred in?
Where do you fcuk off back to then? Home? In Birmingham?!
I’ve had those sorts of comments at least once every major tournament Ingurland have been in.
I ent bothered about Ingurland and Scott has outlined many of my reasons why. So if Stevie Me made got sent off I wouldn’t be downloading a dart board with his face on it. That is pathetic. That is a national newspaper. Not a minority of idiots. There are plenty of knuckle dragging flat footed Ingurland fans where I live. Here they are the majority.
Scott,
I’ve been reading your website for about three years now, and this is without question one of the best posts you’ve ever written. Absolutely spot on, and superbly written.
I’m wildly excited about the world cup – but this has tempered my excitement with a timely burst of apt criticism of the sort of hypocrisy that is rife in the game today.
Keep it up.
@GoatinaUnitedShirt
your comments about Manchester and Mancunians are so far from the truth its quite infuriating. are you from down south? Yes Mancunians are really proud of our great city that is Manchester, ‘poverty’ ‘working class’ maybe in some areas such as moss side, but the city centre and many areas around our city are modern, full of culture and we’re extremely welcoming to others hence alot of irish people settle here also an icreasing amount of scousers! The weather is no different to anywhere else up north for gods sake. The music culture, stone roses the smiths oasis etc alone shows our attitudes arent bitter, how can you be so small minded to think we just sit around ‘bitter and twisted’ in the rain. look out the window for once.
If you dont understand Manchester and Mancunians dont make comments on it.
United > england yes i agree, but i dont wish them any harm hope Rooney has a good un’ and hopefully Dawson does a good job he deserves to be there after the season he’s had.
Off topic but more proof of our lovely owners:
http://m.guardian.co.uk/?id=102202&story=http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/07/glazers-manchester-united-fortunes-wane
@ remotely red
I agree mate, fantastic post from Scott……I find it very hypocritical to claim to hate players one week only to cheer them on because they’re wearing a different coloured shirt. Pure bullshit to do that.
As most lads know i am Scottish and immensely proud of same, i regognise we have a poor team in world cup/ Euro contention, and we are not there, nor for many years at a top line competition
What Scots do as do the Irish,Welsh and most lesser nations we stick together and shout our fucking hearts out for our country in a national contest
England have a habitual to form to bring down there team prior to the tournament kicking off at least the Dutch do it in camp headquarters, not AS England do, over the anal chipshop paper of tommorow with the tourna no even started
Your confusion with not wanting England to win the Jules Rimet and your alligiance confuses me.
Ignore minor prejudices, get behind your country, the club is on remission.
I just know like a true Scot regardless of rants and digs elswhere i would shout like fuck for my nation.
I am left thinking England is left with no identity, in nomads land, sad days. We got there Sir William Wallace.
Enjoy the competition and fucking shout for your nation.
Well said Scott; if you love your country you’ve got to love all of it; not just the streets you’re brought up in; most Southerners look down on the North without ever taking the trouble to find out what’s up there; Londoners in particular feed on the drug – fuelled excrement that passes for culture in the South – East, never ever realising that there is a whole world of great things beyond the cage of the M25!
They are the most misguided, miseducated, misdirected slave – people in the whole of Europe down there but 3 generations of hardcore right – wing media (mee-ja) have persuaded these brain – dead sons – o’ – bitches that they’re England’s chosen few!
If you truly love English football you’ve got to love all the great players; the mancs, the scousers, the west country and “England’s Chosen Few”.; not to mention the Geordies, the Mackems, the Tractor – Boys and all the rest there’s no room to mention!
If I’m being honest I don’t think there’s much hope for Ing-er-lund; same -old same -old; burned out after a hard season; injured and demoralised; they’ll get out of their group but face a hard task whomever they draw in the first knockout round.
Truth is, if you love football (and you don’t just need something to belong to); enjoy the huge number of big games this tournament is going to throw up; England v USA, Uruguay v France, Argentina v Nigeria, Germany v Australia and Portugal v Brazil to name a few; enjoy some good football and raise a glass to whichever team whose luck is in, because believe me, if Brazil don’t win it, then it will be whichever team is lucky enough to go all the way without major injuries and a bit of favour from FIFA’s notoriously dodgy referees!
Good luck England (they’ll need it!) and good bloody riddance to France (preferably in the qualifying round)!
USA, USA, USA!
I hope we stuff the yanks. Fucking stuff them. After that, plane home. Don’t even need to play the other games.
if rooney can feel arsed about playing for england, i dont see why i cant be arsed about supporting his quest to want to succeed on international level.
u guys think way too much of urselves as fans. its the club we support, yeah. but shouldnt we get behind the players in our club too?
p/s. united>england does not make any sense. its like saying cats>dogs
I hope Germany or Portugal beat England on penalties. Terry to miss the deciding penalty in sudden death
@ Dre
you’re wrong…. It’s Dogs>Cats
@Rai
Sorry mate. It’s Cats>Dogs.
Interesting article about the Glazers by the way.
Goat red Scot
goodnight to yous
early start tomorrow I’m selling my toyshop to a housing firm tomorrow and then I’m going with Emily to see space chimps 2 in 3d and takin the summer off and I’m going to enjoy the world cup. The rest of our lives start in the morning
@AlphaRS
These people obviously have a problem outside football and its nothing to do with football. Weather they are BNP Or some other organisation I wouldn’t know.
You can’t Tar all England fans with the same brush, I want the team to do well and will be screaming and shouting for them because they have been chosen to represent my Country.
I don’t hate John Terry or any other England player. When they come to OT with their respective clubs I chant at them with the rest but its only tongue and cheek Banter, I direct my Dislike for their Clubs towards their fans but after a game would gladly get pissed with any 1 of them. (so long as it stays friendly)
It just seams to me that Scots article is all one sided, Tell me Who will the likes of Gary Neville, Paul Scholes and Beckham be supporting in the WC? I can only presume Scots article is aimed at these England Fans as well.
@Redscot
Well said Mate.
if england fail to win the tournament( which is a high probability), Rooney will get all the blame.still i wish England all the best and if they end up winning the cup i would be really happy… but in the end it will always be UNITED > ENGLAND.
We’re doomed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/10237268.stm
They better leave NOW.
LUHG!
@DKB07
I am sure it will be brushed aside as typical BBC propaganda against Fergie mate.
I am not from england but it is not right to call ingurland or by any other name.Manchester united are a english club and we need to respect that.It is a world cup time and we all should support our country .Simple if you dont want england or any other country to win just dont support them its not right you give some rubish name to the country.
I may be wrong but some guys here hate terry ,gerrard and co more than they love united.
Frankly i want any one of the united player to lift the trophy and i wont ming if england wins it.
@DKB07
we are not doomed yet but we will be in some years if the glazers dont leave. the signs are there and things look a bit bleak. that day isnt far maybe when we will have to sell our key assets to save the club from financial ruin.
Fucking bang on Scott lad. I am actually amused by all the conjecture the last week or two. The revisionism that “Missing Rio may be a blessing in disguise”. Bollocks. Best centre half by a distance. Fucking King or Upson? Also why are they making out like Barry is the missing link? “great news Ingerlund fans, Gareth Barry is training, Gareth Barry is training”. Oh please. The same Barry that is climbing out of Scholesy’s pocket still? The mock outrage that Walcott ain’t going. The arrogance of the pundits writing off every team by Ingerlund. Gerrard as fucking Captain. What a fucking mess. They have no chance. United > Ingerlund.
Will.i.am – Hows it going with Mrs Cole? @james21 I’m Northern Irish mate, and very much proud to be british.
@King Eric
Hi mate. Haven’t seen you in a while. Everything alright?
King Eric – Back with a bang mate lol.
Do people not get the Trainspotting parody?
Gary – Bang on with all your posts and yes I did cheer when Ronnie scored the winning pen.
Costas and willirednut – hello lads. Yeah fine thanks. Don’t have internet at home at minute and had last week off so didn’t have access to net. Hope you lot are ok.
@King Eric
Everything’s fine thanks. You still have internet problems at home? I hope it gets fixed soon. I hope we will get some comments from you during the World Cup.
King Eric – Fine mate, looking forward to the world cup.
@ Ash
The bottom line is some of us find it very difficult (well actually impossible) to flick a switch and forget about our rivalry with other clubs and players to start supporting Ingerland.
All season I’ve ranted about how Terry is a
prick, I fuckin hate Ashley Cole, Gerrard is a prick, 99% of the Ingerland followers hate United, so why now at a World Cup would I be there jumping up and down like a prick for players who
I can’t stand….next to fans who want nothing more than United to fail….?
@DKB07
As with anything coming out of andersred’s site (he is the one who has done all the figures) its very subjective.
What needs to be remembered is that their business is in a market that in the last year was at the for front of the global recession. They rely on other business being strong so they can keep their stores in their malls open and for companies to be growing so that they want to expand into their malls. With that not happening its understandable that in the last year they have had some issues.
The thing is however that the worst seems to have been seen and its a market that is rebounding and even during the most difficult year it made £6.7mill in profit despite a number of them making losses. So with a stronger economy and with the weaker malls being sold off this will improve and should do fairly significantly.
The Guardians article on it states that the profit is no where near enough to cover the PIKs. However they don’t need to meet the whole amount. The important figures are
PIK = £175mill
Current Interest rate = 14.5%
Current Interest Amount = £25mill
Upcoming Interest rate = 16.5%
Upcoming Interest Amount = £28mill
Tax Savings due to Interest payments = £10mill
Upcoming Tax Savings = £11.5mill
This means that for the last year to cover the PIK’s the Glazers interests only had to £15mill and next year £16.5mill. The profits from the malls take a major chunk out of that before we take the the Buccs and the other investments they have (As Andy states yes they sold most of their control stakes in companies but as he ignores they do still have an investment portfolio). Additionally the interests payments on the mortgages on the malls will also give them tax relief. In reality all the money saved from the Tax relief will be invested elsewhere to generate money towards the final payoff of loans.
Now the figures aren’t the greatest in the world, ideally you would want them significantly higer BUT like the majority of us reading these figures and like most people in business borrowing is a requirement (Most people with a home will have a mortgage that they used to buy the property as who has the full amount sitting around, and if you do you aren’t using your money well) and like most people who have property they have taken a hit in the value and like most businesses they have seen a revenue drop. If the ecomomy keeps improving and the Glazers can consilodate the malls as this information does show that perhaps the business is a little bloated with some malls that perhaps don’t justfiy being part of the portfolio then things are fairly solid. Its certainly not the ‘Doom’ situation that the headlines suggest.
The most telling part of anything is their takings from the club. They have taken around £20mill in 5 years, half of that being director loans which will be paid back. They have been entitled to take tens of millions, including a massive final year PLC dividend but they have declined to do so. They could have also taken 70mill already to pay down the PIK’s which they declined to do so (They can still take it and I would expect they will BUT I suspect they may wait till 2017 due to the way the PIKs are structured and the way Intrest is handled at a tax level in the US). If they were really in trouble as is being made out then these aren’t the kind of people who wouldn’t take what they were entitled to secure themselves
@King Eric – Spot on mate, good to see someone with a bit of perspective.
Everyone saying that all things are put aside when people are “representing your country” confuses me. I call a spade a spade, and a scumbag a scumbag no matter what they are representing. Getting behind someone that you hate for 9/12 months of the year is fickle. Support your country by all means, but there’s no need to be a hypocrite about it.
And let’s not forget that most of these chumps are out there to represent themselves first and foremost. Is Carragher doing it “for his country”? Funny, he didn’t seem too willing to represent his country in qualifiers or to sit on the bench behind Red Nev and Wesley. But now he has the chance of a bit of glory and he snapped it up. Fair play to him, but is he doing it for you? Give me a break!
Previous England squads have been a lot easier to respect, but the current ones are a bunch of flash gits that need a good boot up the arse.
@ Ash
Put it this way….when United play in Europe, how many
of the Ingerland fans want United to do well??
Now onto why I came onto this thread.
I don’t understand myself this ‘hatred’ shown towards England from United fans. No matter how much we hate some of the players for those of us who are English its our nation and we should be supporting them as a collective in anything the country does. Would I prefer United to win something more than England? Ofc and i’m sure most football fans feel the same about the club team they support as the national side isn’t a week in week out support. And with that support in mind its hard for any fan to support a player they usually hate as they play for a rival but its our country and that should be something that for 90mins brings us all together as one no matter if you are a Manc, a Scouse , a Geordie, a Brummie or a Cockney.
As for some of the comments I have read on here about Southerners looking down on Northerners. As someone who has lived in both its a two way street although I wouldn’t class it as looking down. Its just old fashioned ‘tribal rivarlies’ that come into play. We see throughout the world, even our cities can have that same situation and each side will put the other down.
That doesn’t mean that we can’t come together as one at time. If we don’t its just petty, just as the Scotish, Welsh and Irish are being petty over the 2012 Olympic football team where they are letting tribal rivals come before a combined national pride.
I guess I just have a high standard and am used to players that have been taught their ways by Sir Alex and the United Family. Not everyone has had this privilege….
@Rai
Thats club level, we as fans, no matter what club we support don’t want to see our rival fans and team do well in anything.
When it comes to England however it isn’t a rival team or a rival set of fans. Its our country, we all have a shared desire to bring us together for a small period of time. United fans may never like Liverpool players and Liverpool fans may never like the United players BUT you don’t have to like all the players on the pitch (Hey half of the posters here don’t like Berbatov yet they still support United) you just have to support the players as a collective who are representing OUR NATION
Rai says:
@ Ash
Put it this way….when United play in Europe, how many
of the Ingerland fans want United to do well??
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England and united are two diffrent teams.Now you hate england because chelsea or liverpool supporters dont support united in the europe.Talk some sense dude.
Rooney is liked by almost all the people irrespective of which club they support.You cant say that all united players are being hated.
Worldcup means country and not club.
The kind of blind ‘patriotism’ talked about by some cunts here shows just how fucking hopeless the world is. Regionalism and anti-catholicism are not dead in England or a product of the BNP: They thrive! Thatcher hasn’t been out of power that long; and how quickly did Tony Blair convert back to being R.C. after resigning as P.M.? I’m not going to wake up on the morning of June 11 and start respecting comic book character cunts like J.T., Cashley, Calamity and Lurchy Crouch so that we can all hold hands, renew our Dunkirk spirit and sing “Bless ‘Em All.” The World Cup is just another entertainment soap opera that I’m going to have fun watching. I just got back from doing business in Brazil and Argentina and the people there don’t hide their feelings because of some abstract notion of patriotism. I heard so many attacks on Maradona and Dunga for “ignoring the fans” that I just larfed. I don’t really like Germans, but I definitely fancy the Krauts as outsiders.Football is fucking entertainment and you can take your fucking patriotism and stick it up your wanker’s arse!!!
Its down to thinking i guess. back here in India there is nothing bigger than representing your country. the first thing we did when we went to school was sing the national anthem before the classes started.same thing is done before movies in cinema halls. the way i look at it is,’ if we cant do anything for our country the least we can is get behind those who are trying to do your country proud’.its for that reason that everything should be forgotten when it comes to your national team and support the players as footballers. Its not a very hard thing to do.Thats just me though and that’s the way i look at it
Nothing pumps me up more than singing the national anthem of India. I admit that my country is far from perfect.
bigphil – Cheers mate. Hope you are well.
Costas – Yeah mate having problems with fucking “talk talk”. I certainly will be commenting on the WC .
aig – Hi mate hope you are ok. Thats just it though even our National Anthem is hideous. Horrible droning Queen shite.
bobonto – great post.
@king eric
hi mate. hope you are well too. good to see you back. this place isnt the same without you
i did hear the england national anthem a few times. dont understand the meaning. it was pretty ok to be honest
My grandmother lost nine brothers in two wars for England. My family paid its dues, thank you! If singing the national anthem gives you a hard-on, goody gumdrops for you. If beating the shit out of Argentina over the Falklands made you proud, that’s great. I’m just waiting to see who the Fleet Street cunts will blame this time. Atypically, against Brazil, David Seaman made a mental error which a brilliant Ronaldinho took advantage of . Yet when Emile Heskey shit his keks and quit trying because he was fucking terrified of Roque, Jr, who’s about two-and-a-half-stone lighter than him, the Fleet Street jackals said nothing. I’m going to point a finger at him for letting down his team, not get mad at a fan who boos because he feels let down.
It’s just football people, chill the fook out.
@willie 11:15
No offence I just remember a few weeks ago you and another Utd fan on here mentioned you were Irish thats all.
james21 – No problems mate.
I don’t really care about England. There’s no antipathy towards them, merely indifference. The Netherlands have always been my favourite international side.
However, all of those of the opinion that I should unequivocally support England can politely fuck off. Being born somewhere didn’t influence my choice of club, and I certainly won’t be herded to blindly follow England under the premise that it’s my duty to devote myself to my country. I’ll join the army for that.
If any of that makes me part of an agenda (anti-England) that many fellow United fans get all pissy about, so be it.