We’ll batter them at Old Trafford.
Manchester City were outplayed pretty much from the first whistle to the final whistle on their home turf, and only collected the win because they were awarded a penalty for a foul outside the box.
It wasn’t our best performance over the 90 minutes but we still managed to control the game. If we can play like that away, I can’t fucking wait to have them at home.
Like the commentator said in the first half, it was as though the game was being played at Old Trafford, with City players overwhelmed by the occasion and our fans outsinging theirs.
We had shots cleared off the line and City didn’t get out of their own half for the last ten minutes. They will go to bed tonight happy with the win but fearful of what is to come.
The biggest disappointment of the day is of course Carlos Tevez getting both of the goals. Wayne Rooney muttered something to him as he stepped up to take the penalty, obviously forgetting the ignorant twat can’t speak English. He was interviewed after the game in regards to how he felt after scoring two goals against his former club. “I feel OK,” he replied.
It should come as no surprise that his bitterness overflowed with his celebration, despite his claims he would do nothing of the sort. However many goals he scores, however many pats on the back he gets from that cheesy scarf wearing manager, he knows it will never feel as good as playing for the best manager in the world for the Champions. He cupped his ears, as he did so desperately when trying to get United to sign him week after week last season, showing everyone just how obsessed he still is with his former club, just like Emanuel Adebayor. When City sign players who are interested in doing well for them, rather than proving a point to their former club, they might get to tear our banner down. But I won’t be holding my breath.
Let’s get some perspective. If that game had been at Old Trafford and we had been outplayed so comprehensively, we would now be trying to convince ourselves that our lads would be able to show up in the away leg, with all the dread and fear of the knowledge our team were second best would bring.
It’s frustrating that cunt Mike Dean awarded City a penalty for nothing. It’s frustrating that Craig Bellamy kicked and fouled almost every player on the park without receiving a yellow card. It’s frustrating we saw the ball cleared from the line. It’s frustrating we couldn’t make more of our superior possession (58%-42%) or shots on target (9-5), but I feel really confident about the home leg.
The biggest concern ahead of kick-off was whether our players would have it in them to get themselves up for this derby cup game, after watching the spineless performance against Leeds a couple of weeks ago. But that concern can go out of the window. Our players want that place in the final and have the quality to get there.
If my memory serves me correctly from last season (when starting to worry as Derby pulled a couple of goals back at Old Trafford in the second leg semi), away goals don’t count in the League Cup, which means City are essentially coming to Old Trafford 1-0 up, a slim advantage which shouldn’t cause us much concern.
So, no more 4-5-1, Sir Alex, let’s go for the kill at Old Trafford. Nemanja Vidic, Rio Ferdinand and Dimitar Berbatov may all be back in the team by then, which will only add strength to what we’ve got already.
As the final whistle blew, my phone went off straight away. Angry United fans? Gloating City fans? No, just a blue from down the local: “You were robbed.” I can’t wait for next week, but I can’t imagine City fans feel the same way.
Fucking annoying to lose, even more irritating for it to be at the hands of that money grabbing whore, but there’s a place in the final with our name on it. If we play like that at Old Trafford, putting more emphasis on attacking, it’ll be us at Wembley and the counter on the Stretford End will keep rolling on.
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Shit penalty decision saved them.
True.
Better team lost.
Actually somewhat happy with the result. The silver lining is the potential of an amazing attacking game against city.
See you there city.
To be honest, Shitty got the help from Dean.
The first goal wasn’t a penalty and the second one wasn’t even a corner kick to begin with, even Bellamy was surprised to be given a corner kick.
Mike Dean had a trashy night. During the 80′s minutes someone pushed Fletcher so blatantly, he gave Shitty the throw. What the heck is this.
Shitty is shitty, they have 12 players. Dean is shittiest.
City shud worry 1 goal difference is achievable… I still think penalty isnt worth it
Talk about being fucking robbed. First getting a goal from a penalty that should of been a free kick then scoring from a corner when there player kicked it out, disgrace.
WHY CANT WE PLAY FROM THE START THE WAY WE PLAYED AFTER GOING BEHIND? mICHAEL OWEN AND ROONEY SHOWED SOME PRETTY GOOD CHEMISTRY…….. WHY CANT WE PLAY A FUCKIN 4-4-2. WE BECOME A USELESS TEAM THAT JUST PASSES THE BALL IN DEFENCE WHEN IN A 4-5-1……. I AM HAPPY WITH THE WAY WE BATTERED THEM AT THE END….. WHY CANT WE JUST ATTACK FROM THE BEGINNING!!!!!!!!!!!
outrage, im actually disgusted by the referee
If anybody so much as dares come on here and say we should’ve kept Tevez, that bastard son of a bitch is gonna get one from me….
Dean ya fucking twat…
Oh.. and just you wait for the noisy neighbours to get here.
“United are broke”, “we’re rich”, “the tide has changed”, “Tevez is a legend”, etc.
Turn that racket down!
bring on the optimists..read these words NOT FUCKING GOOD ENOUGH…clear?
and be sure to give Tevez a “proper” welcome at OT, that fucker!
1 goal differnce is easily achievable…. Why was that penalty ???
@Doghouse:
No it was the penalty and the corner kick decision that leads into the 2nd goal.
Even if it was a deflection, how could he see that but couldn’t see the push against Fletcher. Man I’m pissed with the referring tonight.
no fight from united, need vidic and rio back soon as possible
“We’ll batter them at Old Trafford.”
not fucking sure…
Well. There was a few decision that goes against us. However, i do feel sad that we lose BUT it was such a good game for us. I was so happy that we dominated them pretty much the whole match at their own turf. For god sake. If we can play like this again for the second leg then i have no worries at all.
That was fucking shite, another loss chalked up to horrible reffing. Had to watch the game online with a bunch of blues fans talking the entire game about us always making excuses for losing and blaming it on the refs, but seriously tonight was fucking horrible.
Worst refereeing performance since chelseas semi final last year. Can somebody please explain to me how Gareth Barry, Carlos Tevez or Craig Bellamy were not booked or sent off?
I’m happy with the performance tonight and I see Owen-Rooney combination proved to be worth the try.
Well, we should have played the entire game as we played last 10 minutes. Dean is shitty.
I said before the game that Judas and Bellamy would be kicking our players off the field… Well, I was right, but I hoped that the ref would at least try to look like he was trying to put a stop to that. But still, I’m really happy with the performance, as everyone should be. When they have 12 players on the field there’s not much you can do.
BTW, I know the penalty was outside the area, but the corner… was it a corner? I thought it was a goal kick until I saw Bellamy getting ready to kick and so were the commentators, but they didn’t show any replays. Anyone saw the ball hitting a red shirt?
Oh and Fuck Tevez the dirty Mexican Bastard.
ps. i know he isnt actually mexican…
That stupid cunt tevez will see what it’s like to play for shitty when he’ll come at Old Trafford.
Maike Dean is awful as always.
Love Rafael. You can see in his eyes how much he hates citeh.
Valencia was good.
Owen’s flick to Rooney was brilliant. So sad that Wayne didn’t score
Bring on that shit to Old Trafford! Manchester is RED!
Sorry Scott
i am worried. looks like we need to go behind before we start playing some football and if brown continues to play at centreback we wont keep a clean sheet even at Old Trafford
Yes Scott we will batter them. And we will a hard time putting the goal at the back of the net.
We look so damn constipated in these big games.
Fucking horrific refereeing, gave EVERY decision City’s way.
That said, let’s not be bitter, you put it perfectly Scott, if we keep up the urgency that we saw in the last 15 minutes for the second leg we’ll fucking destroy them at OT.
Also, definitely agree about the point on our fans, it was akin to the Chelsea game where it was all us apart from a few unimaginative “COME ON CITY” chants.
By the way, Rooney was awesome. Fantastic technique!
comments from two of the biggest cunts…
BBC Sport’s Alan Hansen: “At times it was pulsating and the last 20 minutes were fantastic, but I think United were there for the taking. Apart from Wayne Rooney, who was just phenomenal, the defence was all over the place and Roberto Mancini was a bit too ‘hang on to what we’ve got’ for my liking.”
BBC Sport’s Mark Lawrenson: “Man United didn’t show enough urgency in the second half – they created some chances late on, but it was too little, too late. But it’s perfectly set up for next week.”
2 strikers please! Hope SAF regrets his saying Wazza + Owen = not working. Wazza played better when Owen came in.
Top marks to the away fans, never let us down!
Good Performance,Bad result for us… but this means the lads won’t rest on their laurels going into the 2nd leg. I think we should be fine. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t 1-0 all we need to go through?
RedDevil you got it in one. A pen and a one yard header, useless twat. And can someone please shoot that twat Bellamy. I dont know whos worse him for takin 5 yards to fall or the ref for havin a blue scarf in his eyes.
What are the odds on Mike Dean to have dipped his hand in some “Arab Money”. After that performance he deserves to be relegated!!
We played well and for the first time this season looked good in the last 10-15 mins when behind. Tevez is a funny character tho, he thinks he’s making a point be scoring two goals which my grandma would of finished ( she had a killer left boot!!!). Tevez ur shit and had the referee not accepted arab money and poor defending from us for ur second, surely u would be crying urself 2 sleep tonight.
No worries!! that will happen in 8 days,beggar’s can’t be choosers..lmao
I’m so pissed off, UTD dominated. Fucking sick of Fergie’s 4-5-1. Since when have we played well using that formation, its fucking useless and goes against all we believe in. We attack with real menace and have done for years so why fuck about!?
@ulster red
well said mate
Not good enough. Fucking wasteful finishing! Giggs is class. Rooney and Owen from the start please!
We need to score first and drive on really, really hard with the type
of play shown in the last 15 minutes … Rooney and Owen can play together SAF is wrong there I think … such a shame we couldn’t get that vital 2nd away goal .. do away goals count by the way?
Still feel a little flat and let down … some poor ref decision but I hate to fall into that bad excuse …
Scott, with all respect, if we outplay the oponent it doesn`t mean we win or we will go through to the final. we performed really well in the last 10-15 minutes and it is really not enough. considering the inconsistent performances during this season I am not much convinced it is so obvious that we will batter them at OT. unfortunately, not in this season
1) Rooney was magical as well as very very unlucky
2) Mike Dean is a fucking cunt
3) Tevez: Your wife is fucking ugly
there was no corner on the goal!! even though tevez commited a foul on VdS!! shit referee
Bring that shit to OT we’ll kick their asses
That’s just me, but Twatez didn’t prove to me he was worth 25 million. As someone said, a penalty, a free header from 2 yards, highs feet and a lot of bitching. That’s him.
@Maik,
They played the replay ONLY once, it was really sketchy but couldn’t tell if there was even a deflection there.
Again, my point earlier, if Dean could tell there was a deflection when the fact that the ball just went straight off the field, how could he NOT see Fletcher got pushed so blatantly. This is outrageous.
Sorry guys but even against 12 men and a few dodgy decisions we should have beat such a poor team a very hard result to take
@ Viva Ronaldo
“We didnt show enough fight”
What are ya smoking son….you shouldnt even be up at this hour..fucking clown
the 4-5-1 was a mistake rooney looked lost at time with moments of brilliance. thats what happens with one striker. owen actually looked v.good with him dont know why fergie said they cant play together. rubbish refereeeing decision changed the game but we dominated and hopefully we can play the same at OT with 4-4-2 and smash the living daylights out of the bastards. I can see a 2 or 3-0 at OT.
Fucking disgraceful stuff from Dean.
Nonetheless, biggest mistake was starting 4-5-1 and showing City too much respect in the middle of the park. As the end of the game showed, playing with two CMs (preferably Carrick and Flectcher as tonight showed) was perfectly fine. And yes, Owen should have definitely started up top with Rooney and their work together at the end of the game proved it.
I hope the boys seriously crank it up during the next leg and continue the positive approach that they had at the end of the game.
I thought we need to improve our attacking. No one can attack well except Valencia who can bring the ball on the right. Giggs is getting older and can’t play left wing. Stop talking about the defense that is letting goal. Ever heard of the best defense is to attack?? Need more attacking options.
At OT will be a very different game. They will have chances to catch us on the break and we are really vulnerable in defence. Still 50/50 but this is only Carling Cup. Fergie put the first team and it will mean a moment of fucking disgrace if we don’t go to the final.
Just wish we had Nemanja up against Tevez…
Just wish we had Nemanja up again Tevez…
additionally, it wouldn`t help if we said they won by awful referee decision and we were better side. none will ask if we do not go through. and finally they won. anyone is asking how we won at OT in the league? last seconds etc…..no, we won and that`t it. today City won and that`s it. I am not happy to excuse the defeat by shamefull referee. our performance was poor all but 10 mins. and tha`s sad
We outclassed them for the majority of the game. Great performance on their own ground. If it wasn’t for that little fucker Mike Dean, we would have won. City were absolute crap, couldn’t pass to eachother, gave the ball away a million times, shooting in all directions. Gutted we couldn’t score after going behind, and we wasted corners and chances repeatedly.
How to beat City next week:
-Play like we did in the last 10 minutes for the whole of the match at OT
-Start Owen with Rooney. Owen completely changed the game after coming on, and from that point on Rooney was on fire. 4-4-2 formation otherwise we will not reach the final.
-Make use of set pieces.
-Outsing the fuckers again.
Burnley,Chelsea,Man City,Leeds,Besiktas,Aston Villa
All games we were the better team. We lost all of them.
not if Fergie remains with this anti-football 4-5-1
4-5-1 works when you have someone like Ronaldo in the team but not Anderson or Nani
Can Fergie start using Owen for 3 games in a row
I’m fed up of these disgraceful performances
Evening Lads
I thought we played decently tonight and although we lost i was happy that there were some good all round performances which can still get better.. we still in it and only need a 1-0 at home right? so i predict we’ll go at them like we were playing a champs league game attack but keep it tidy..
anyway i hope rooney has finally found form cause lets face it in the last 15 minutes we saw the old rooney we all love and know just unlucky he was i thought..
oh and lets transfer that same energy and commitment levels into our prem games for godsake!!
After we beat them 4-3, the press were all over the referee. Now, the headlines will be about Tevez. Objective much?
That was awfull Rooney was the only one who played well we where shocking we need we need an attacking midfielder we don’t creat enough from the center but we have no fucking MONEY THE BIGGEST CLUB IN THE FUCKING WORLD HAS BEEN RAPED BY A BUNCH OF TWATS
FUCK OFF NOW GLAZERS
All over them like a bad rash for the whole game.MOTD and the BBC should be ashamed of their blatant bias towards City and I for one will never be watching that show again.From the moment they camed on air it was all geared towards City,not one mention of United.
Fuck BBC,Fuck Lineker,Fuck Hansen,Fuck Shirley Shearer and Fuck Dixon.
I am getting sick and tired of these officials screwing united, bum boy cunts bellamy and tevez sum up how much of a joke tonight was. The commentator really blew my top like mt st helens, the arabs had those oficals payed off and what summed up the refs performence was richards getting a free kick after evra tool the ball.
all we know is
the officials were payed off
tevez and bellamy are TWATS
the commentator angered me so much he was wanking over tevez
@dwen
By winning 1 – 0 we’ll go through after extra time, not after 90 mins.
And ppl, get a grip. Although it pains me to admit it, shitty isn’t as small as it used to be, and if they get luck+Dean+an outstanding performance by Given, it always going to be hard to win. We showed hunger, class, precision and patience, all things that they lacked. So excuse me if I don’t start crying all over the place, but I’m actually happy to see our players put on a performance like the one I’ve just watched for the first time since away to Chelsea.
Chep, aig alex is god – some common sense guys. so dissapointing today.
Shity will play better i am afraid in a week time with more fitting strategy.
They also have cunts like Tevez, Bellamy.
Another defeat because of the shit refereeing. What a disgrace. That cunt ballemy bullied the shit out of Rafael, yet its Rafael getting in trouble time and time again. Tevez. Oh how much i hate that fucker. I am proud to say that i was one of the United fans that thought he was a waste of money. I was really waiting for him to yell at Fergie’s face LOL. He would of got fucked up.
City fans are disgusting. Dashing shit onto the pitch and wasting time.. Who fucking does that? Are they really THAT desperate to waste time and hear the final whistle.
I really DO hope we batter them at home. I seriously cant believe we lost.. :/
does anyone know if we only need 1-0 to go through because at the beginning of the match the announcers said aggregate only matters if it was a draw.
@AIG
Exactly mate. It’s beginning to sound like a broken record. Rooney overall was fantastic, but he had 4 chances to beat Given. Why the hell couldn’t he score at least once?
@Kikolegend….what game were you watching mate…we controlled the whole game…we played the best we’ve done for weeks.
@costas & ghtt
Lucky mancini!!! remember what i said to you guys during christmas when you said mancini wont understand the importance of this derby. He is new. He will get luck and when things dont go the right way after a few months he will be told to fuck off
@curtis
Man city/derby defeat/4-5-1 and you put the word “happy”in your comment,
oh dear my red friend.wtf
The banner in the stretford end about city should NEVER be taken down. If they win the Carling cup we should keep it there to show them it took them so many years to win a cup. Remind them how shit they really were until they got money, show them the real team in Manchester.
Hopefully next Wednesday the Judas cunt gets what he deserves, a couple of coins to the head.
UNITED WILL NEVER DIE!
A terrible defensive performance again, if Rio or Vidic don’t play to look after Brown or Evans then them 2 look lost, poor, ever since Fergie had the rant about the ref we haven’t had a decision, every big game the ref is against us. How no United player kicked that c*nt tevez i will never no, he got stuck in but we 2 nice with him, we will eat them next week if we play 442, either that or we are out
Ulster Red and Behmermanc…..The performance was good from us, not sure what u lot were watching tonight…but it definately was not United vs Shitteh.
Considering we played away from home and controlled most of the game in 2 legged encounter with an away goal after playing against 12 men, we should be pleased with that. If that is all they can muster at home,we have nothing to worry about….trust me!
Someone please tell me Mike Dean, will not referee the 2nd leg???
@AIG
Yeah. He is lucky. And to be honest, one of the reasons why we started piling up pressure in the final 20 minutes was the fact that Mancini pulled his team back in that period. He could have payed a heavy price for it.
@ RedDevil Said,
You said it,
i felt city were there for the taking, we just didnt up our game, and then all of a sudden we did in the last 15 mins, we should be doing that at the midway point in games. one thing the game has shown us is that 4-4-2 is probably the best system we can use for now. Shit it still hurts though, we had no business losing this game. what pains most is that city won the game not because of their “fantastic” endeavors but because our own short comings
It happens. We were very good tonight I thought.
Dear Sir,
Sign Keano up on a one match contract for the second leg. Thanks in advance.
We have played well in 4-5-1 formations a few times this season, rentboys at stamford bridge springs to mind, but we normally fail to win when playing with this formation. I wish Fergie only opts for it at an away european game, not in a CC semi final.
How about poor defending at the second goal ? How about Carrick not being able to supply the players with those elusive defense splitting passes ? How about Rooney curling the ball instead of hitting it every single time ? How about Rooney shooting with outside of his foot while having the ball on his left foot ? What about sending Scholesy on the pitch with 2 minutes to go ?
We lost and i don’t care how many occasions we’ve had. Fergie played with the first team and now it has become really serious guys. I won’t be able to sleep tonight.
im fed up with these “not fucking good enough fans”. Who do you think you are? United are second in the league, champions league knockout stages and carling cup semifinalists. We went AWAY to a team whove sold their soul to the devil for mecenaries and its fair to say that we controlled that match. Bellamy cheated to get a penalty, and a defensive mix up for the second – bear in mind we still dont have our two 1st team CB.
I for one am looking forward to next week. With a home crowd giving the team 100% we should ensure that theyre dominated for the whole match. Best way to get back at Tevez? Give them a hiding next week and we’ll see how his personal crusade goes down with the citeh fans
HAVING A PARTY WHEN TEVEZ DIES! FUCKING WANKER
The attacking flair of the last 15 mins was more desperation than luck. Get the ball to the white Pele,He’ll save us. It has to be a 4-4-2 at O.T or we hand the Bitters the Psycological advantage. Has someone shot Bellendamy yet.
@Redarmy….well said I agree…played well tonight.
@ Corea
Mate….Given cant have such an outstanding game week after week….not unless its been ordained by God that we wont win the carling cup.
BELIEVE my friend, we’re gonna batter them at Old Trafford…
People need to stop instantly blaming the formation when things don’t go are way. We didn’t lose tonight because we played 4-3-3 (or 4-5-1) we lost because of a poor decision from the referee and a piece of poor defending from a set piece.
With Rio and Vidic out our Midfield can’t afford to give the ball away sloppily as Valencia did leading up to the corner they eventually scored from.
@TheRadLegion
Thanks for the answer mate.
Anyways, I know I’ve said it already, but calm down people! We had a really good game. There’s not one player who I can honestly say that he had a bad day! The only thing we had in the last 10-15 mins that we didn’t have during the other 80 was speed, which is natural, since a game lasts 90 mins! If you start running around like a headless chicken from minute 1, we’d run out of fuel by minute 60 and then hand them 30 mins to score at will.
Fucking Carling Cup. Why did Fergie chaned his mind ? Not a single young promissing player. No Fabio, Wellbeck, Gibson etc.
don’t think it was a corner leading up to the 2nd goal either, looked a goal kick. “if buts and maybes” bladebla, just wished Rooney got on the score sheet
The Carling Cup was not meant to hurt this much. I hate getting pesimistic but I am getting more and more concerned about us.
I think you lads play us (Arsenal) 3 days after the 2nd leg. Vidic, Evra, and Rooney are all on 4 yellows.
Also, United have been better away from home this season than they’ve been at home. Again, I’m not sure, but I’ve heard it somewhere.
Overall, Mancini is a piss poor manager. IMO, Hughes and Sven are better. The Calciopoli destroyed his competition and then he won titles.
I definitely didn’t think you dominated. When I started watching, around 27 minutes, the game looked fairly even. Penalty cannot be argued, no matter where the contact starts. WHERE EVER there is contact, thats where the pen can be called and there was a bit of tugging inside the box.
Soft? Yes, but one went against City the past weekend and one on Silvestre vs. Hull when the ball was nowhere near them. The refs are cracking down on it and have been for awhile.
COmplaining about constant fouling? Now you know how we felt when we played you at OT and Fletcher fouled us nonstop. He’s not good defensively and relies solely on energy. Hargreaves is a fucking brilliant CDM though.
And now we have an awful scenario ahead. Of we get just one in the second leg, then it’s off to extra time, 4 days before the Arsenal game.
We were a different team with two upfront. Brown’s and Evan’s passing was shit and it’s reported that Rooney’s making enquiries about life in Barcelona. Does it get any worse? When will some Arab buy us out of this nightmare?
Anderson never turned up again can’t shoot and can’t pass!! If fergie ain’t going to get any money it’s time them yanks pissed off.we need a silva in there someone to create chances for Rooney and co diouf looks the part.
We had everything in our hands after Giggs had scored. Yes, it was a really annoying poor refereeing desicion but what the hel we were doing while defending that corner ? What had we been doing till actually going behind ?
I wouldn’t have been saying it right now if i hadn’t seen it before.
Corea: You rate Fabio a young promising player but not Rafael?
Scott why should we start berba??? Micheal owen with rooney looked delightful tonight again
referee this referee that, we had our chances and didnt take them, rooney for all his energy and passion had 4 great chances to score and couldnt, wes brown is a bit of a joke, fergie recently said he was the best natural defender in england, come on!!..jonny evans seems to blast the ball 50 yards up the pitch to no one at a regular rate, rafael what was he thinking pulling bellamys shirt? you know that is asking for trouble, giggs was brilliant i thought, anderson is the most 1 foot player ive seen in a long time, the song we sing for him should be stopped as its embarrasing now. to play well for 10-15 mins isnt good enough, what did given have to do after giggsys goal? fuck all untill 75/80 mins. but hey im a twat and we are ok
@ curtis Said,
Spot on man, rooney looked in the zone tonight, its all there for United to beat ant one any time anyday. its just my opinion that we are not operating very well as a unit. IMO a midfield set up,that wont slack off will do just right,the game also showd that 2 on top is the way for United this season, dont think we have the personnel for a 3 man midfield
Fuck off glazers!!!! You parasite bastards
@Corea
It’s simple mate. Our defending without Vidic and Rio is shit. Look at the Birmingham game. Again a goal from a corner, inside the 6 yard box at the secind attempt. Why do they clear the damn box when the danger isn’t over?
Costas, do you wish to clarify? I thought a 1-0 gets United through on away goals, no?
@ Sketch, yeah, didn’t the turd say he’ll shout in Fergie’s face if he scores against us? Little headless chicken, all talk and no action. We should glad he had the decency to decide not to perform his horrible dance when celebrating though.
@ tevez is judas, kill the twat!
“coins to the head” mate….the fucking FA are gonna ban Old Trafford mate…stupid useless FA cunts…by the way I’m quite sure no action is gonna be taken for the missile thrown at Evra tonite..
Costas
i feel we look better when we are trailing.we try to do something new.work the ball faster and are understandably more urgent.we must do that for the whole game and we will stop losing so many games
1 Man was the difference tonight – Shay Given. We’ll need to batter their goal next week because unfortunately that man always makes good saves. None of this 4-5-1 bollocks, we started creating lots more chances when Owen came on. Stick with 4-4-2.
Yet another shit refereeing performance, maybe its time Utd asked the FA to look at refereeing decisions over the past 3/4 months and then ask them to explain the decision. Maybe that way they may get the respect they crave
Actually i do understand those fans that say we are not good enough. They say these to show that they do care a lot for their team. It’s just that they hate Glazer that are draining the club. We had millions to spend until the vampire Glazer stole our fortune. I understand and also are frustrated. Why i had to face this problem? Why can’t the club become like this in 100 years later when i could be died.
Costas – well its frustrating, man utd have enemys everywhere, we have enemys owning the club in the glazers financially crippling the club, add rivals getting stronger we then add cunts like tevez who I so wanted to bash his face with a baseball bat, we can add officals time and time again have screwed the team game after game after game. The BBCs agenda against united that shitty are going to be manchesters biggest club the balance is changing, the commentator pissed me off so much with him wanking over carlos cunt tevez.
Rio has been poor this season. Evans-Vidic looks like your best bet.
Fred, Glazers at fault for today’s loss? Please stop
Sorry for non-stop posting but i think it is quite sensible to say we have to be patient with this team. But it is so annoying. I haven’t been that annoyed since the Chelsea game.
I don’t want to see Carrick playing. He is slow, tentative, weak and can’t put a strong tackle in. Anderson is under-performing right now but i would rather play him and wait till he start delivering.
Come on Hargo, we need you.
@Rewind
I never said anything about us not playing well, i thought we played great tonight i just said that the ref fucking sucked and cost us the game. Also Teves is a Fucking Cunt…
*Half time lads
*never a penalty
*abu bbc, 2 scousers, a city fan and alan shearer, any chance a united pundit?
*tevez did two things, one from a penalty that never was, and two a corner that never should have been
*no bookings for bellend, what the hell! studds up!!
*the fight was there, good to see it back, this was city at their best and it still took two inept decisions to beat us and us to be unlucky
*owen and rooney looked good
*no matter how much alan hansen and other abus tried to big up cities performance they were fudging lucky.
*if united play like that at OT we will win.
*imagine the uproar if united got that penalty! holy shit!!
*how crap is that blue moon, its like something from an ice hockey game.
@Pat
It does, but only after extra time. If it ends 2-0 in the 90, then we are through. If United win by a single goal in the 90, then it’s of to extra time where away goals count.
always thought we would start playing when we fucked up big time! united were coasting and still miles better than citeh in the first half. ref thinks” oh they had a bad decision against the scouse bastards last week,i’ll give them a peg up!” sorry but evans is dog shite with the ball at his feet! i know we all get behind the lads but not one intelligent ball was played by him all night!
@zapruder77
ok i get your point i was gutted at 1st but i’m trying to be optimistic..
its only half time really so hopefully we can play well again (last 20) and this time not have dodgy decisions and instead have a bit of luck.
i know the blue cunts are gonna rub it in that we lost and thats the 1 thing that will really make me pissed with the defeat and it’ll make the positives from the game seem worthless to mention but its not over yet and if fergie is a bit braver at home (4-4-2) we could well have the last laugh.
@Corea
Fergie changed his mind, because he wants United in the Final!!!!!!
@jespermoses
i was watching the same fucking game as you but without rose tinted glasses we where shit just coz we pressed for 15 mins at the end doesent mean we played well.
we have no creativity in the middle of the park so it is left to Valencia and he cant be expected to do it all him self. we have no flair maybe iv been spoiled with having ronaldo but the more i see this season we where a one man team going forward last season add loosing him and vidic not wanting to be here and rio’s glass back we are fucked we have nothing.
Im seriously worried next season we will end up just like the scousers have this season
GLAZERS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is it only me who thinks that evra looks switched off for long periods of recent games and just does enough to fall under the radar off critisiam(giggs was giving him loads of shit tonight……if you dont wanna play for us sunshine you no where the door is
@ DownunderManc, please don’t believe that rubbish. Rooney loves Utd, end of.
and oh yesa the ref great decision he almost broke valencias jaw, then he does it again and what does the ref do he gives him a second warning, hmm strange he give rafeal a second yellow because why, because he did it a second time oh did he forget that double standards stupid TWAT of a ref.
1) Ref is defo dippin in some Arab money, no other explanation
2) Those people saying “not good enough” for once after a united defeat i’m holding my head up high ! We outplayed em, and showed real fight when we went down, something I havent seen us do when it matters (dippers, barca, burnley, dippers, leeds)
3) Scott has a point, at OT we can play a 4-4-2 comfortably, and I hope to see Diouf before Owen again – yes Owen played well today, but I’d start with Diouf and Rooney upfront, the lad looks like he can handle it, and is up for it.
4) for tomorrow – RIP Sir Matt Busby
Rafael ? Cmon, we have two main defenders injuried, Oshea injuried and Neville only other defender. Of course Rafael was the one and only option.
rooney did better because owen came on?
no.. rooney played better cuz we went 4-4-2
owen didnt really do anything when he came on
except that through ball to rooney
he should have brought on diouf rather than owen
he offers more, aerially
we need to play 4-4-2.. tactics worked for a period of time
but it had to change and fergie took too long to change it
anyone think obertan on that left side would have ripped richards??
cuz rooney did it time and time again.. what was the key??
PACE!!!!!
giggs is class.. but come on.. he is old and past being a left winger
carrick was not good today
and why did scholes come on??.. first thing he did was mess up a easy pass and give the ball away…
@PAT:
Well, you have a point regarding the penalty. But making twice (and not just once) stupid and costly decisions were just unbelievable.
The corner that leads to the second goal was such a poor decision.
About Fletcher, you took that comment from Wenger. Don’t even compare him with the likes of Bellamy, Twattez, and Barry. They are just a thug.
@zapruder
think its just you mate Evra is pure class, and played like it tonight…
truereddevil – chelsea defeat the ref screwed united in the goal which was never a free kick, terry brought valencia down nothing given.
birmingham game what happened oh yes fletcher gets sent off which was not even a red card, they almost disallowed the united goal
Costas – don’t try to compare the two moments. Watch the replay of Tevez’s goal. Brown and Evans both ran to the City player and left Evra alone with two City players. So poor and lack of understanding.
We lost this battle, but we’ll win the war.
Despite yest another indifferent performance by our midfield, lacks of urgency and composure and rubbish passing at times, I did not see anything from Shity to be worried about.
With Rio and Vidic back we should be able to defend better.
And finally, how I wished I was a United player, to show that Argentinian twat some home truths.
I agree, and hopefully Vidic will be back by then. I don’t know what’s going on with Rio.
We should be able to beat them comfortably at home because they really aren’t all that. But we can’t keep giving away soft goals like this and we’ll have to put away our chances. Please Alex, just play 4-4-2 and go for their throats. They will crumble.
@ zapruder77, Evra was the best player today, the best player so far this season actually. Of course he wants to play for us! Have you ever heard/read his interviews? Evra is the last person who would think about leaving Utd mate.
Johnny
do me a favour and fuck off
Also in the build up to the ‘corner’ for the second goal, Mike Dean got in the way of Anderson who was coming across to tackle SWP.
And then at the corner Tevez was pushing into VDS without even challenging for the ball.
Mike Deans first ever manc derby and it showed. he totally bottled it
People need to chill the fuck out saying they won’t sleep tonight and shit. Its half time in a Carling Cup semi with the home leg to come. Fuck me.
i wouldnt have had obertan anywhere near the fucing pitch in a game like that
Anyway I’m throwing this on most of the posts I don’t know who’s checking in where so if you guys have time then read – I shall be contacting you soon Scott
I have my A-team hat on – a plan is coming together…
@di especially
I’m working on it – I’m just writing anything at the moment so bear with me
1 million fans x 1000pounds 1b or
2million fans x 500pounds 1b
It must be kept equal:
After the club is bought each and every fan is bound to the club and can only sell his share out to a fellow fan for the value that he bought it out for and must notify the club. No fan can sell his share for any profit to any company or owner who wishes to pursue buying the club undertaking an oath that if he or she does so then they automatically loose any share they possess and that the share becomes invalid and that it becomes useless. Other fans will be given an opportunity to invest – again every fan is equal –
Every fan will be treated equally – the ownership of the club is based on sentimental value not on any financial terms what-soever – when signing up this is to be be part of an historic precedent that the biggest club in the world is in the hands of the fans that adore it and love it and are willing to protect it from any further buy out. Consequently this will become a family run club with all the mechanics and the structure of the club in place. The CE will run the club and the manager will run the team. After the initial buy out each member is bound to a supporting fee of no more than hundred pounds (figure to be agreed upon).
In return the club has a right to charge for membership but the fee must be fair. Ticket prices must be bought to a level of acceptance and any ticket season holder does have the right to opt out of any cup game which now they must attend to without any question. The club cannot make such decisions upon itself so it must invoke the following:
MUST must have a member on the board in order to keep the fans up to date with what is happening at the club on a daily basis – as does the Republik of Mancunia – so therefore we nominate Scott the red to equally be available.
Every season five members (numbers to be decided) must be allowed voluntarily to OT to oversee that the club is being run to the standards that the fans wish – it is also necessary that at no time any fan has a right to have a say in matters of the CE or the Manager. We should be present to make sure that the club is in good health financially and morally. The decisions to choose such members rests with the club or by a means of a lottery.
We are all equal and we must be bound by that equality forever. In the case of a United fan passing way – his/her share automatically passes on to a nominated United fan in the family. Everything is kept as simple and as clear as possible.
It is our attention to raise the intent of buying our club from as many fans as we can from our country. After this we must roll out a plan to contact every United supporters trust from all around the world.
After the initial intent which must be signed up to – every United fan must be ready to pay into an account which will be over looked by a professional in order for honesty and to comply with every regulation regarding an eventual takeover. Everything will be done according to transparency – no United fan will be left in the dark – everything will be co-ordinated in order under one single banner – which as of yet is still in the works. However contact will be made with MUST and RedCafe and of course we will lead from this blog.
Again we would also need a link where we can all sign up on this intent and of course agree upon which route we are taking – 1 million (1000 each) fans for a billion or 2 million (500 pounds each) fans for a billion.
We need to do this – I believe we can set a precedent and change the course of our club forever – please better this proposal
@fze123 better that rooney holy shit man
It’s was great game in fairness spoilt by mike dean. It wasn’t just the penalty he seemed to give every 50-50 their way, if we’d have got those decisions the media would have field day but doubt much will be said tomorrow.
The penalty definitely changed the game, you could see that in 2nd half when they came out with their tails up but i’m feeling confident for the return leg provided we get a ref that understands fair play.
On a final note i thought Rooney was excellent tonight, by far the most mature performance he’s had with us and on another day and bit of luck he’d have put the tie to bed already
Obertan:
Yes, Giggs is old, but let me think.. ah yes you might want to say Obertan is the answer? Look Giggs was great okay. He might be old, but how could you complain about someone when he played so well for the team? I don’t have anything against Obertan, but if Obertan was to take Giggs place against Shitty a few months ago, I don’t think he could pass the ball to Owen the way Giggs did.
Scholes played great, his distribution to the wingers was crisp (some were off target, but compared with Anderson.. Scholes’ accuracy was way much better).
It was in the script Tevez would score. Was saying it all day long.
But for all the people on here going on about how they will have a party when he dies – get a grip – fuck, if you can’t take abuse, don’t dish it out.
No need to rise to his taunting.
To be fair to him, I’d be fucking ripping too if someone said I wasn’t worth £25m; and not good enough to start games ahead of a comatose victim.
@Corea
It’s the same problem. The 6 yard box is empty when it shouldn’t. And the worst thing is that they know that Tevez is someone who lurks around that area.
I hope Fergie controls what he says about Dean. This time he won’t get away with it.
Where are the city fans. LOL.
Decent game. Awful ref. We should’ve won it, and I’m not really worried.
It’s the semi-final, for chrissake – it’s not supposed to be a walk-through. Shitty put on their best show – and Shay Given saved their asses again.
Tevez had a decent game – but he probably wouldn’t have played if he still was United. Why waste so much emotion on that guy? He’s done well for himself at three PL clubs now – you can’t take that away from him. Bellamy’s the real cunt, can’t find anything nice to say about him…
Agree on the formation – please don’t field 4-5-1 again! It’s so frustrating to see Rooney alone up front. And Giggs does better as the creative centre midfielder than out on the left, where he’s too slow nowadays.
At OT we need to score early in the game, to avoid a mental block. We can do that best by picking up where we left in the last part of tonight’s game.
King Eric
Hi mate could be worse could be that we have no history 33 years and counting in a semi final against our glorious neighbours ex player gets on the scoresheet – both goals in thanks to the ref
Oh wait that universe does not exist for Manchester United : )
Could you and the others comment on something I am working on please?
King Eric – yes, mate. people are different.
Don’t try to think that City will be that poor again in a weeks time.
Yes, we have to find the way to score those elusive goals but remember, for everything we scored City had the answer back in autumn. I am not exactly confident we can score hundreds of goals right now.
Also, Scholes run-out was disappointing. Losing the ball cheaply twice and struggling to keep up.
Well Bellamy certainly gets the Franny Lee award for conning a ref in the penalty area. Its no good moaning about because as usual Utd had enough posession to convert into goals and once again failed to do so, this particular failing is going to cost Utd dearly this season and the coaching staff should be getting their butts kicked big time for not addressing this issue, they’ve been happy to allow the pratts in the press to focus on the defence issue but that ain’t the problem, I think Phelan is not up to the job to the same standard as Quieroz was and its starting to show now the pressure is on,If Fergie wants the season to be succesful a better 2IC is needed and let Phelan go back a step to a level he is good at!
@Corea – who are Anderson and Rafael then?
Phantom penalty, phantom corner, Given in great form and parking the bus for 20 minutes + Valencia missing a sitter. That’s how they won.
We’ll stuff them at OT.
10 conclusions from tonights game
1) City are shitty
BBC have rubbish pundits and worse commentary
2) That Blue moon song is atrocious (imagine having to sing that?)
3) Wes Brown has lost it
4) We miss big John O’Shea
5) Dean is a terrible
6) Bellamy is a dirty inbred scumbag
7) Tevez should fuck right off to argentina
9) Alan Shearer is a cunt and will always be a cunt
10) We will batter them at OT
I’ve personally had enough, united are a team in crisis. Yes I agree were second in the league, yes were in the champions league, but we are no longer dominating any match. I thank sir alex for all he’s done but have to question many team choices. Rooney Being the only striker on the pitch today for example. The glazer family have destroyed our club. They must be forced out of our club. We need a change of personal.
luhg
I am against the Glazer’s as much as the next person but please stop blaming them when United lose. If its not them its Quieroz, or Berba or Nani. Its beginning to sound quite silly.
Some bizzare comments from some fans here. We are all gutted to lose to fucking city, to lose to a team of their standard, but we should be quite pleased with the performance. We have seen the players hunger and determination after going behind, something we have not seen much of this season (apart from the derby earlier in the season). Do we just happen to perform and fight back against them?? Anyway, I just hope we can get revenge in the second leg and demolish.
We desperately need Vidic & Ferdinand back!
Come on here, balls came into their box, we never got to them. They were much stronger in the air at the back which disappointed.
I really thought we’d get one at the end by keepin the ball at feet and we nearly did. Maybe taking a longer gamble on Diouf mightve given us a chance of beating given.
Im glad it was tight though, this season has been lackluster to say the least and this finally got my nerves jangling, thank god for the league cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yip.
Christovski – Rafael and Ando are first teamers. Nuff said.
Sky sports website match report
‘In the end, City needed a controversial penalty to get their equaliser. Controversial in the sense Rafael was outside the area when he began an extended tug of Bellamy’s shirt.
The offence was clear enough and as the Brazilian teenager – the one youngster Ferguson eventually picked – was inside the box when he let go, referee Mike Dean felt a spot-kick was the suitable punishment’
How can they claim it was a pen?!?! What were they watching??
@Islandred1981
So it offended you that people had a go at Tevez and then you call Berbatov a comatose victim? Classy.
Let’s be honest here, you battered them and yet for the next week they’ll be running around thinking they’ve got everything but the World Cup in their pockets. So despite tonight’s result it’ll all turn out pretty embarrassing for them really.
Even as a Chelsea fan, I hope you rip them arrogant fuckers a new one in the return. And as for Tevez, just be thankful he’s finally where he deserves to be. Low rent Citeh boy.
why wouldnt u play obertan?
u need a tricky quick player in a game like that
because one dodgy tackle or a good skill/play could get us in
giggs passing was awesome? in some games giggs passing has been woeful and normally gives the ball away.. today he did okay but i feel we needed a quick left sided winger like valencia… all obertan needs is to bulk up
but still should have been brought on at around 70th minute…
@ Hurdy Gurdy, BBC coverage is shit defo, they didnt even have any replays during 1st half !!! & missing big Sheasy? hmmmmm – im not a great admirer. lol
Scott, away goals count in the event of a draw after extra time. If we play the way we played in the first 15 and last 30 mins at OT there’s no chance of that. Rooney was awsome. Still can’t believe he didn’t get a goal. Evra also.
zapruder77 – Is your comment about Evra “switching off and not wanting to play for us” serious man? He has been outstanding this season. I really do give up.
Anyone know where we can watch some decent highlights/repeat of the match??
berbatov is a comatose victim
@ zapruder77, yes better than Rooney.
While I agree with every comment about Bellamy being a vile little twat, I’d not complain if we signed him up. He can cause real problems for defences and is, in my opinion far more effective than players like Park and Nani who actually contribute very little.
On tonight’s performance, with the amount of possession we had it was really disappointing to only put them under any real sort of pressure until the 80th minute. Rooney will thrive if he has proper support, but we seem to really struggle when we get to the box – always wanting to find one more pass to score the perfect goal in front of a packed defence. A bit of route 1 now and again wouldn’t be a bad thing.
@Fze123
The performance was good mate. The problem is that it’s becoming a tradition: We batter teams and get no end product. Rooney should be disappointed if he can’t beat Given on 4 attempts.
I think it’s long overdue that a team will get a serious thrashing from us.
@pat. Yes it is the glazers fault cause we are broke and can’t strenthen are team with real quality glazers out!!!!!!!!!
Whoever’s just pinched my username (the guy who posted at 23.40)… find your own username!
@fze 123
truly bizzare mate “evra having better season than rooney”?LOL?
Mike Dean is a manchester city fan. i gave him the benefit of the doubt for the first half but EVERY time city fouled united he waved it away. Every time united even looked like fouling city he gave a free kick/corner/penalty. The penalty was outside the box and raphaels first tackle on belamy, who was a cheating, diving cunt. the second goal that came from the corner, was NEVER a corner, despite what that scouser Mark Lawrenson commentating says. AND TEVEZ IS A CUNT AND WILL WIN FUCK ALL. Rooney is football and united will prevail. The end
You know its bad when a chelsea fan is calling you a rent boy hahaha
Every now and then we see a game of football in which the best team gets beat.
Last night was one such occasion.
@Pat….watch the whole game mate, dont reserve your judgement for 2/3 of a match. Plus we were at the wastelands.
Some of you so called fans make me laugh. Win and your full of praise, the team and Fergie can do no wrong regardless of the performance. Lose and we’re shit!!!
The performance was good as was the desire and tenacity from the players was there for all to see. I have been very critical of the team this season for lacking passion and looking clueless at times when behind. Today was different and away from home aswell, Mancini may be lucky but he’s gonna need more then luck when shitty come to OT cos’ we’re gonna give them a lesson they’ll never forget and i’m also sure that Vidic and Ferdinand will be back, so my prediction is 4-0.
Call it cocky or arrogant but 4-4-2 at OT with Anderson and Scholes in the centre with Valencia and Nani out wide.rooney and Owen up the top.
Rooney with 2, Owen 1 and Ando with the other!!!
I feel so down. Reading all these comments makes me so depressed.
I think City fans don’t fucking care how their team played. They won the game and it counts. It will only help raise their confidence.
Maybe if we batter them at OT it will have the reverse effect on them, we’ll see. Tired of waiting. It is january already.
@King Eric….I agree mate,I thought Evra was our man of the match.Some of the comments on here are embarrassing
Mancinis scarf isn’t that one of them free ones we left out for them at them Munich Anniversary?
It is plain and simple that we lack creativity.
I couldnt believe it when in the last 10 min Carrick got the ball just inside the D on the right, with miles of space to cut in or take a shot, all he did was pass it to rafael on the right, why cannot our midfielders take the opportunity to create chances by themselves . I totally disagree with the article, we got lots of worries.
We started positively with Valenica posing a continuous threat, but the moment Bellamy started to kick Valencia left, right and center, and the blind as a BAT referee did nothing about it, we were on the back foot. Plus i think the Rafael yellow really blocked Valencia from going upfront.
Only other player trying to conjure up magic was Rooney, when he finally got to play wide on the left, after Owen was introduced, he was unlucky not to score.
But other than that, we were painfully predictable, with Carrick, Anderson, Fletcher leaving all the running at the defenders to Giggs. In all a typical performance we have seen all season, it is only our grit and discipline that is helping us to survive.
p.s. Diouf should have been introduced earlier, with no Vida, he is our only real threat in the air on corners. Not surprisingly, the only chance we had from a corner, fell to Diouf.
Evra/Rooney MOTM
No one is directly blaming Glazers for the loss, but sharing their frustration in these difficult times..
FUCK OFF GLAZERS
The away goals do count but only after extra time.
Not as confident as you Scott about next week,we were clearly the better side tonight but the affect of actually losing to those shower is very demoralising.We seem to have gotten into the habit of losing big games.
ChelseaD – Cheers pal. Make sure you prevent the classless horrible cunts from winning the FA cup.
Had to laugh at Garry Cook and his pimps in their Citeh scarves. That club is bitter to the core. The fans with their handed out plastic flags and the tacky build up. Funny as fuck when the United flares went up.
@ Rewind:
Since when is 27th minute to the 90th 2/3 of a match?
United had their best period in from the 85th to the 95th. Before that they didn’t offer much more than City, unless there was something I didn’t see before the 27th minute.
Game changed when Mancini went defensive and took Tevez, SWP off for Benjani(awful) and Sylvinho.
as costas said – constipated. we’re lacking some real quality at the mo. overall not a bad performance. yes the referee was utter wank, and gave two woeful decisions, but on the corner we only have ourselves to blame. dreadful defending on that. as for tevez, the guy is a cunt, but undeniabely a match winner. it’s exactly what we’re missing at the moment (amongst other things). i used to be an anderson fan, but he is seriously running out of chances. whats happened to the player who had stevie me and fabregas in his back pocket? he can’t fucking pass, he can’t fucking shoot, he can’t fucking tackle. why do we persist with him?
plus points? wayne was mint, if a little unlucky. i thought rafael put himself about and showed the rest what a bit of passion means. valencia again was good when he finally got the ball (and why did SAF sub him for scholes when he was our best attacking option? god bless fletch but he’s no winger).
all in all, not lost, but we’ll have to up the ante in the return leg. they’ll sit back and defend so we’ll have to something good.
Anyway first thing is first need three points on Saturday against Hull
We’ll see to the noisy neighbours accordingly
karan_dravs85 – a friend of mine said an interesting thing and i truly beleive it is the case. we are playing a definite scheme and this is to get the ball on the wings 9 times out of 10. with only Rooney in the penalty area most of the times it is hardly a good idea. i am not SAF but it is strange.
off topic ..
Why all of a sudden there is no update of Hargo? No mentions anywhere.
Is he again fallen back. We do need him in top form for the UEFA.
I must be the only one who thinks we only really played after they went ahead – before that we gave them way way too much respect – they are a crap side, even Everton showed that at the weekend.. in these games we seem to wait till we go behind to actually start attacking…
Anyway glad we ended the game like that, otherwise it would have been a depressing day..
I would be very surprised if Anderson starts next leg. I thought he was poor tonight. He looked sluggish.
Unbelievable. Their goals came from a phantom penalty and a phantom corner. I knew we were in trouble when I saw Mike Dean was ref.
Though we only have ourselves to blame. The defending at the corner was laughable and not for the first time this season we were pretty impotent in front of goal too. Jonny Evans can’t pass for shit either. Memo to Jonny: don’t try to be clever, just give it to Carrick.
As for that cunt Tevez – what’s he so bitter and twisted about? That United didn’t sign him? It must be heartwarming for City fans to know that he wishes he was still a United player. What a thick cunt.
We’ll fuck them up at Old Trafford, no danger. And when we do I want to see our lads mocking Tevez’s bitter celebrations.
@Colbert (23:53)
WTF?
(How are you, Stephen?)
And did anyone see the crushed velvet jacket that David Gold was wearing today clearly that guys everything, a football club and a jacket like the anchormans lucky fucker
got fucked by the ref. One of my best mates is blue and went tonight and agrees with most of the points made. Anderson was shit tonight and can’t believe he walked out for the 2nd half. Their midfield stood off us but untill we went 4-4-2, allowin rooney to get involved we didn’t look like doin anythin. Nani nowhere near the squad, needs to go now, fucked his chance up against burnley as well as all the others. too many average players. @20moscow08 bang on but think crisis at this point is a bit strong
@Corea i agree with that .. It is SAF idea and who am i to argue on that. Only thing i expect from Carrick and Ando is to show some courage in going forward and taking the initiative, it sounds novice but Gibbo did it in a few matches this season, and it would give the wingers a bit more space. Not taking shots at all from mid field or making those runs, makes it all to predictable.
First, I big thanks to all the Utd fans that went to St Andrews last Sat. I was there sitting in the Birm end and the Utd fans were fucking amazing. Out sing the Brums all game. Utd also better size. The same as tonight. Second, Utd were robbed. We need to play to 2 forwards, and kill them off. I hate city and Carlos the twat..
Lucky blue nobodies saved by a hapless useless worthless nobody ref trying to make a celebrity of himself. We dominated yet lost, annoying but can’t see anything but a win at OT. Says a lot when their best player was Given. Also that scarf wearing plonker seems to be more clueless than Hughes
@Fred
I don’t think there is an explanation for Twatez’s reaction, other than the fact that he wasn’t wearing red out there tonight.
It will be a really hard game against Hull. I don’t even know what team do we have to play in order to get all 3 points. They are such a strong side. I just hope we will bounce back. I don’t care what the scoreline will be, 3 points is the most important thing. 1-0, 4-3 doesn’t matter. I hope Rooney will score but Hull have a really good defence and Wazza will have to take advantage of the favourable situations. Maybe Diouf will be our saviour on the day. Thank god we have some options.
Giggs was quite brilliant tonight I thought. MOTM for me.
This is a effing disgrace
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2815639/How-City-and-United-rated.html
Just a word about referees in England. They are a total fucking disgrace.
You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see that there is an obvious anti United bias this season .
You can expect that a decision or two will unjustly go against you in a match, but to give nearly all 50:50 decisions and non existing penalties to your opposition, to be denied blatant penalties in your favor, not to punish blatant fouls against you and allowing other teams to benefit from them, not to book opposition players for consistent fouling, not to send off opposition players for professional fouls, being flagged for offside when actually on side…. can’t be a coincidence or bad luck.
Yet when Fergie states the obvious, media and the FA go wild. I though that football authorities were there to protect the integrity of the game. They surely are not doing that.
I am not sure what can one do against this apart from raising our game on the pitch and make sure that we score at least one more goal than the opposition.
Let’s hope our injured players come back soon, and starting from the next match, we go on a run like we know that we can. If I was Fergie I would treat each match as if it were a cup final.He should demand more urgency, faster play and more composure from his players. Only then these anti United plots will all be in vain.
LUHG
Scott you cannot keep on wearing your blinkers
Lets see who we have lost to this season
Burnley, just promoted team who will probably get relegated after missing a pen
Liverpool at Anfield when they were out of form..gutless performance
Chelsea, even though we were robbed they still beat us and we created no chances
Besiktas, we can put that down to luck
Villa at home was unacceptable
Fulham away understandable given the defence but no fight
Leeds at home was a total disgrace, and you would have thought Fergie would have learnt his lesson. So what do we do, play 4-5-1 against a team that has such a crap defence and end up losing to City. Only when Owen came on did we perform. We will draw at OT 1-1 or 2-2 unless Rio and vidic both come back. Our defence especially Brown, Neville, Rafeal have all been a disgrace lately
@Corea… are you sure? we, the champions, need to be so worried about Hull?
I miss 06-07 season so badly. We had 11 players who played every single game, almost.
Carrick-Scholesy
Rooney-Saha
Vida-Rio
Ronaldo-Giggs
Now we have two squads and no alternatives. Suddenly.
I know it’s Carling Cup, first leg. But it was the ultimate damage.
Anyone else think Anderson carries a few pounds to many for his size? His mobility isn’t great.
The game against Hull truly won’t be easy. Especially now that our first team played tonight. An d we have backed ourselves into a corner because we have to play the same group Wednesday-Saturday for the next few weeks.
Hopefully Berbatov and Vidic will be fit for Hull.
Corea
Was that sarcastic?
Tony Starks – do you consider i’ve lost my mind ?
Of course i worry for Hull. Every fucking time we lose a game someone comes and says how it is imprtant to defeat teams like Burnley, Wolves at OT.
Im just so glad we didnt sign tevez! The lad is showing us his true colours!!!
Maybe Fergie just didnt like his character and new then what we are all seeing, irrespective of what he is doing now i dont thinkg him and rooney make a world class partnership!
What i want to see is rooney and owen playing together for 2 or 3 games running. I think they really would click. Owen is a smarter player than what people think! Tonight he put a nice pass through for rooney and you cant argue that he is not a goal threat!
For me tonight the results doesnt matter that much, we can still do them in the next game. If we dont does it really fucking matter, league cup have it! 200 Million buys you the League cup so what!
For me it was another frustrating performance from Carrick and Anderson. I loved Carricks shot which nearly left the stadium. He had a silly 5 minutes before that shot where he couldnt pass to anyone else other than a blue shirt!
One thing about tonight i was extremly dissapointed with was the performance of the ref, taking the Pen aside which wasnt a pen but i think from the position of the ref and Belllamuppets reaction swung it!..The Prick should win an oscar! How many decisions tonight went so against united??? Were city were getting free kicks for getting their studs caught in their laces we wernt getting anything after being bundled over or hacked down!… Quite Diaspointing really!
I remember a corner coming in, vds going to catch and tevez ran into him!… Result VDS Punches, ball bounces in the box and some Prick in a blue shirt crosses and a little cunt scored!………….. No foul!…Cough cough!
Can someone please check to see if that ref is on that Shepricks with the turbans payrole? How many million did he get for that performance!
Costas – just imagine. we score a goal, the game goes to extra time, they score in the 120th minutes. We are out while playing first team during the 2 legs in the mighty Carling Cup. Awful.
Let’s hope Scott is right. We must prevail.
@ Everyone
Sorry to not make something clear
I have been working on a plan recently born from an idea contributed from one of us bloggers di
I’m sorry to have written the above post at 11.41(or10.41 – by the way why is the blog an hour ahead Scott?) without explanation of any sort
All I have done is made an assumption about how we can take the Glazer’s down based on the fact that we no longer want to see them in charge and fleece us till kingdom come – this is by no means a sudden reaction to what’s happened today – I repeat we have played well today and been shafted by the ref and a former player accordingly – I could also argue Given kept them lot in the game.
I would like to repeat that nothing is concrete I am trying to put something together
So assuming 1 million fans have an intention to give 1000 pounds and we generate interest through media etc that would give us a billion to buy the club off the Glazers
or working at a smaller amount – 2 million fans on intention make a pledge for 500 pounds each which again gives us a billion raised.
I don’t know if it’s enough – it’s just a start
So again the club is bought under sentimental purposes – we cannot sell shares on in case anyone comes in trying to throw money at us and take us over – this is a choice that cannot be reversed – once United is owned by the fans it will do so forever and it will be written as such as a bond between the club and fans.
As mentioned MUST and even Scott have a right to sit at United and blog away keeping fans in the loop. The CE runs the club the manager the team – nothing changes. Every year through a lottery or a vote (still to be considered) we have United fans at OT overseeing that the club is running smoothly – no one person can hold that position (again voluntarily) for more than one season
I note and repeat we do this for sentimental reasons – we are all equal and none us will gain financially – but the club will be free to rise and be chartered like it has never done before – I believe a recipe for greater success.
The club must be fair on ticket rices etc. It does not have the right if it were taken over the fans to fleece us on any grounds – it would be written in the charter. Also every year each individual must a sum of ownership between 20-100 pounds (figure not yet considered) – through this the club can invest accordingly – again outcomes not considered as of yet.
Am I crazy or can we do this – can we get enough of us together to pull this off?
1. How the fuck did Bellamy not get booked for his rugby league style hand off in Valencia’s face?
2. Never a penalty. Free kick outside the area.
3. Nonetheless, Rafael needs to get a whole lot cuter with his defensive duties.
4. Tevez is a classless Argie gyppo*
5. Rooney was top drawer.
6. Evans can’t distribute the ball.
7. He’s big and he was bad: Wesley Brown
8. Mame Biram Diouf is going to score a lot of headed goals. Mark my words. He spazzed that late chance but he was only on for about 5 minutes.
9. Mike ‘Posh Scouse Cunt’ Dean is, er, a cunt.
10. We will batter those lazer blue cunts at Old Trafford and leave Mancini looking quite as gutted as Hughes last September.
LUHG!
* Tevez is so dim he probably doesn’t realise that at least one of the reasons his services weren’t retained is because we have a bunch of money-grubbing robber barons fucking our club up the Gary to the extent that we can’t afford to take extravagant punts on hit-and-miss Carlitos….
@Corea
That’s the scenario I am afraid of most mate. Or to get knocked out at penalties. And remember. We play Arsenal a few days later.
check out gary neville showing the finger to cunt tevez:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/index.html
did they show this on tv?
Looking forward to next week. If Fergie insists on playing 4-5-1 then Rooney can’t be the 1 up front on his own!! Rooney isn’t a number 9.. he’s at his best behind an out and out striker where he can drop deep and work his magic. This means that if you play 4-5-1 like we did today it has to consist of a midfield 5 which includes Wayne and play Owen up on his own.
So today’s team, in MY opinion, should’ve looked like this if we’re playing 4-5-1.
VDS
Rafael Brown Evans Evra
Valencia Carrick Rooney Fletcher Giggs
/
Owen
I’m not one to question the manager but it’s getting very obvious that Rooney needs a strike partner to bring out the best in him. I love Giggsy but Rooney needs more support than what our fantastic welshy can provide.
With Berbs’ injury why not take Huntelaar/Ruud on loan for the rest of the season? I’m a fan of Berbatov but he drops deep like Wayne at it nullifies our attack. I think it’s time to give Owen his chance. I disagree with SAF, a travesty I know, that Owen and Rooney can’t play well together. They did for England and formed a great partnership and tonight we saw glimpses of that partnership, even though they’ve played so few games together recently.
Better performance from the lads tonight.. a few shocking decisions from the Ref apart and we’d have gone a few up on them. As it stands we got a mouth-watering tie at OT.. Can’t wait! Great article Scott. Sorry if I was a bit long winded with this
Wazza was awesome and inspirational. We can take’em down in OT.. no worries!!! They’ll probably get so nervous that they will wet their pants before hitting the groung. This is a big deal for them you know. First semi in , god knows when?
“I’m not going on about,” said Ferguson.
“Everyone can see it for themselves. OK, the decisions have gone against us today, but they might go for us another day.”
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Costas, buddy, this is what you wanted to hear from Fergie. Maybe the best way is to stay out of trouble.
if my memory serves me right then didnt SAF play two very similar strikers together to great success not so longer ago? cole and yorke anyone?
i nearly screamed my head off when i saw owen make a beautiful off the shoulder run in the last 10mins and was failed to be picked up by carrick (i think it was carrick).
as such i’ll tell you what we are missing…. an attacking playmaker who makes defence splitting passes. I appreciate that in the last 20mins it was all hands back in their own half for city, but i see it as our only really clear missing link.
It should be anderson but it’s not- he’s really nowhere near imho. i’ve made this point on here before but everything, EVERYTHING he tried which was not a simple to feet pass failed. if’s he not an attacking midfielder built for assists and the odd goal then what is he? if he’s not a defensive midfielder to plug the gaps and nick the bal back (we have fletch, carrick and hargreaves when he’s back for that), then what is he? is he JUST a centre midfielder with no discernible specific talent??? that doesnt spell UNITED for me.
other notes: agree with people on about owen and rooney, give ‘em a go together, stop playing it so safe fergie! given was good but a better than average hit would have had him beat tonight. i love patrice evra – give him the armband!!
p.s. Tevez, you watch yourself boy.
Fuck the city . Tevez is an Argie wanker , dickhead thought Rooney shuda given him a slap . What’s with 4-5-1 fergo ? Butts diouf r owen from start nd wuda won it hands down . Ando was poor shuda been taken off earlier
@MG
You are not crazy. All this needs is suitable levels of organisation. There are plenty of fans who would pledge more and probably not expect more than a single ‘vote’ in return. I’d be happy to hand over 5K if I could guarantee the Glazers could be bought out. I’d feel pissed off that it had come to this (and we should have been awake long before 2005), but the alternative is supporting a zombie club for the remainder of my years.
Problem is that there are too many factions – all the main players, the top forums like red issue, the top blogs like RoM and the supporters’ trusts need to convene and make a concerted effort to make this happen. It is completely feasible.
It doesn’t have to be completely selfless either – you could offer a small dividend on investments – which still wouldn’t go anywhere near to equalling the greedy profiteering of the ginger gnomes of Florida.
It can be done: let’s make it happen.
@Corea
Yeah it was. Anything else and he could have been in trouble. He must have been red with anger inside him though!
@oneunited
No they didn’t show that. Thanks for the link. Now we know who Twatez was doing the gesture at. Well done Gaz!
Goodnight to all. I will try to get some sleep because in 6 hours time i have to drive my car to work. Sorry for being a little bit pessimistic but hit happens.
Costas, love you buddy.
Keep the red flag flying high!
i think mr tevez was a bit premature with his celebrating.. he will look a bit of a fool if we end up winning the tie.. why is the guy so bitter? lets hope he can get on with the rest his life now..
Night Corea. Get some sleep friend. It’s a game after all. Hopefully we will be smiling next Wednesday.
babyfacedassassin
It was Carrick. I DID scream:(
furious. again. and right now struggle to console myself that its only ‘half time’, but i just hope the players feel some rage and channel it at OT.
Oh by the way, has any jounalist/expert/pundit/analyst/twat commented on the lighter that a bitter threw at Evra? Didn’t think so…
United were clearly the better side but that smarmy fucker Bellamy wiped our faces in it again. Rightly so, thats his job but I wish we had a Keane in midfield that would Alf Inge Harland him. Can one of the MUST boys, who goes on about giving up his season ticket, clamber out onto the pitch, grab hold of Bellamy and cut his fucking hands and feet off. You want to state your piece say it was a MUST, whatever fucking money you get from the scarf sales you can have to pay your fines and we’ll erect a fucking statue in your honour. Message across, simple and it gets rid of that cheeting slimmy prick who punches a fan in the face whilst his hands are behind his back the fucking sheep shagger.
Gary Neville ran the length of the pitch to celebrate against Liverpool fans and got punished, what about Tevez the fucking Slum Bunny.
Another note, I dont like it all that often when Sir Alex criticizes the ref, but most the time its to take the heat off the players when they should be getting stick for poor performances but tonight the ref was so obviously scared that if he gave anything away to United thered be a fatwa out on him. How Tevez wasnt booked for the fowl on Evans I’ll never know, why Bellamy wasn’t booked for the Valencia lunge AND how in gods name was that a penalty, how was it a booking.
@MG”
THIS IS A IDEA WHICH STRIKES A CHORD WITH ME BUT AS ANOTHER CONTRIBUTOR SAID ITS ALL ABOUT GETTING THE NUMBERS IF WE CANT RAISE 2 MILLION MAYBE WE ARE IN THE MINORITY ABOUT ACTUALLY GIVING A SHIT ABOUT “OUR CLUB” IM OFF TO BUY SOME GREEN AND GOLD WOOL
@colbert
ah i thought so, i guess with him not getting as much playing time it’s not as instinctive to look for him.
Apart from that Carrick didn’t really do anything wrong. Then again I can’t remember him doing much right either.
With City sat so far back it was tough but I think we are missing drive in the centre of the park and if Scholes can only play for 5mins at a time like today then maybe we need someone. Depressing thing about feeling that way is that Fergie obviously isn’t concerned presently about strengthening that department.
(Or any even)
@Dan
Thanks for your piece
The piece has been going in my head for so many days…
The battle here is bringing everything under one banner
The other point about the money is that everything has to be equal for that reason that you pointed out – we buy the club for sentimental reasons and everyone involved has an equal share because then their would be no factions at all.
The small dividend can be decided if we are actually at OT and the Glazer’s have fucked off and we have done something that has taught football a lesson – and that’s the lesson. This is not about me – this is about all of us on one level sharing one voice and one dream.
As I have suggested maybe Scott could have a special link on the site where each and everyone can sign up – maybe all the other sites can share the same info – we can send this request off to all the reds worldwide and see what kind of feedback we get because initially it’s to see if we can generate lets say 2 million fans paying 500 pounds each to reach 1 billion
As mentioned if we can generate an intent of those 2 million signatures then we can really get serious – we can start to make noise start to sort things out on a professional level hold back our breath and see if we can pull this one off – I would love too – I just want my club back just the same as the next United fan
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/football4fans/
petition to Gordon Brown about the Glazers/greedy football club owners. not got much hope that the useless bastard will do anythin, gotta be worth a try tho
should start micky owen up front..should hav got a start 2nite. united will batter dem at home..start gazza nev so he can kick the shit outta dat fugly lying, jammy gypsie tevez.
@NEED TO FEEL THE LOVE
Mate we have 330 million fans plus
In this technologically advanced world don’t you think we could get 2 million United fans to cough up 500 pounds each to tell the Glazer’s to fuck off?
What do you think?
lets have it right ! jonny evans is dog shit ! no game intelligence make that whole defence nervous as fuck!
No one has answered my question about Anderson … do you think he carries a bit too much weight? He looks laboured at times.
@stretford972
That’s noble mate but unfortunately it was those fuckers in government that let those two faced Americans in – in the first place
If anything should be writing to the opposition to take a question to PMQ’s. This is that serious – why did they let the Glazer’s in and saddle an English/British institution with 2/3 debt to 1/3 equity – and now the club has been fleeced off with 300 million of it’s own money generated
Fucking ridiculous
please pass that link on lads and ladies, then at least we know we’ve done what we can. LUHG
@Sayyid
Please justify calling Brown, Neville and Rafael a “disgrace?”
Granted, Brown is a bit off the pace, due to stop start season, not a disgrace. Neville is past his best and hes been out for 2 years, not a disgrace. Rafael has done well, showing the passion, a soft penalty was given against him tonight but that doesnt make him a disgrace.
This season is turning out to be great so far! Defeats to dippers, bitter blues, yorkshire scum, chelski and Burnley. Played within ouselves – which is the story of our season but play as we did in the last 20 minutes and it makes me feel confident about the second leg. I just wish the players put a hell of a lot more effort in when playing the rivals, these are the highlights of the season and they have consistently let us down when it comes to the results.
Blame the ref for the penalty but Rafael shouldn’t have let him get past, we know what the ref’s have been like to us this season, why give them another chance to fuck us over. As for the second goal if Anderson had just put his foot through rather than trying to avoid the ball No Goal as far as I’m concerned but he didn’t and I don’t know what he actually contributed last night. We have some big games coming up and we need to be ready. 3 wins from next 3 games is imperative but I can’t say I’m confident about all 3.
mike dean reffed us v chelsea ealier in the season didn’t he??? that was day light robbery aswell, should never be aloud to referee us again.
Not sure if anyone has said this already or not, but i think away goals does count in the league cup however they’re only counted once extra time is finished. Sounds bizarre, but thats what the commentator said.
On the game disappointed that we didn’t win, but im sure we’ll get them back at OT. Before kick-off i cursed when i saw the Dean was refereeing the game because i remember him always being a shit ref, as we can see nothings changed
how the fuck did we not win this weak city side…
We should have scored 5 at least
god damn it im fuckin pissed!
Corea – you kidding me I was relieved that season was over, and another thing united just about got over the finishing line that year do not forget when united drew 1 1 with boro I was more depressed that day than any other day, todays defeat does not even knock the stuffing out of me like it did that day. That is perhaps one of the most depressing days I have ever had.
MG – keep up the good work and what is the progress of this scheme.
@Malik thnks for thr info.
I think if we show the same enthusiasm and go 442 we can go more than 2-0. We should have scored more today. Bring on Owen, bring on Berba. We’ll get the two we lost today.
Bad day at the office. C’mon United make sure the second leg is makes this leg another false dawn for the bitters!!!
We’ll give them fuckin hellllllll at oT
Hope we have Rio and Vida , but first we must win the Hull game to go top
I’m not even bothering reading and listening to the reaction tomorrow. All of the broadsheets and tabloids will predictably lead with a picture of Tevez cupping his ears in front of Fergie. The hacks will also be droning on about how we missed a trick in not signing him. Snore.
By the way, considering he lodged a £25 million bid, how disrespectful was Tevez’s celebration for the second? It’s United fans who’ve given him shit, and we should probably expect it in return. But doing that to a man who allowed you to win all of those trophies and – despite not performing in your second season – lodged that bid, is indicative of him as a person.
He’s genuinely dislikeable, and not in the Ronaldo way. I’m glad we got rid.
@ Oneunited….Brilliant!! Loving the pic….lmao!
@Pat…..if you dont know that 27 mins is almost a third of 90 mins and the game, then you need to go back to school my friend!!
@rooney the new king
I’m trying to get everything together
Trying to cover every corner – see what we need – see who we need – see how we can connect the dots between all the fans here and around the world – try to get an intent from say (on assumption) 2 million fans pledging 500 pounds each as an investment based on sentimental value – not financial and then if we get to that point – see if we can get enough interest and enough coverage from the media etc to pull this off.
I don’t know what I’m doing – I don’t know how far we can go – but this is our club and fuck the Glazer’s this is their road to hell
Boy they fucked with the wrong fans
By the end I want to set a precedent – we want to set a precedent that as fans we took over our club for the sake of honour not for any financial gain. I shall keep everyone posted and ask for help when I need it.
MG – doesnt it make you wonder why the old twats kids are on the board they can have total control of the club and its finances they dont really have to pay more to board members, you add the fact this bond issue will see the club lose another 120 million, you add the 330 million lost thats well over 450 million of the clubs personal wealth. we can add this 22 million they have taken out of the club.
- united have enemys accross the road at the wastland with billions to spend and at our very own lub.
- people controling united by wiping out uniteds profits.
- it seems all the top players dont want to play for united
- ronaldo could not wait to leave united when he became good
- you add the twat that who is now at the wastlands running his mouth
- the officals have screwed united more than some a worn out drill
- injurys have crippled united and united have no spine
- united are dropping points and losing games since 2002 and 2004
- with the glazers and the behavior of ronaldo and tevez our success of hatrick of titles, and certaintly our 2008 european succes is completely tainted. I will sell or if I have to give away the DVDs of uniteds success
now it seems everything is going against united, call me crazy but its a damn conspiracy
Not too disappointed, pretty much what I was expecting.
Citeh were always going to treat the first leg at home with the passion of a cup final. A one goal defeat plus the bonus of an away goal will do me. Yes Scott, the away goal rule WILL count in this semi final.
On top of that United were clearly the better team, Rooney could have easily got a hat trick and was the real man of the match rather than Tevez who hardly did a thing except score a double that even I would have put away.
Add to that a penalty that never was together with the non corner and United are certain to get to Wembley
ref is fucking shit I said to my kids before the game OHH this idiot he will make us lose and because of that shitteh ref i lost the game but let this muppets com to O.T we will kick there ass fuckin ref
As much as it will irritate City fans to read it, United were the better side for much of last night’s game. The football they played was more controlled. They created more chances. In some ways, they may still be favourites to progress to the final. But none of that really matters.
http://www.nzurisana.com/forum/showthread.php?295-Mind-the-gap-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-this-Manchester-rivalry-between-United-and-City-is-a
I’m sick of reading all this doom and gloom surrounding Man Utd. You’ve all got to stop reading that shite the ABU press spout. With regards to the Glazers, I want them out as much as the next fan, they should never have been allowed to put our club in this position. But they have and we deal with it as best we can. The bond issue’s are over subscribed, so it looks as though there will be no problem selling them, which might not wipe out the debt, but it will put the club on a more stable financial footing. We all know, the club is a very profitable business, so as long as we all keep filling the stadium and buying the shirts, there will be money to invest in the team. Fergie won’t be able to invest on players at present because of all this financial uncertainty, but I have no doubt there will be money available for players in the summer.
As far as this result goes, we’re only half way there and shitty would be fools to think they have this tie won already. We definitely need to play a 442 formation, that’s it how we play our best football.
To whoever it was that said Tevez didn’t get games becaue of a “comatose Berbatov” being picked instead, not true. If you remember, we played a lot with Ronaldo up front on his own and Rooney out on the left, so Berbatov wasn’t/isn’t always first choice either.
Sorry to go on, and no many will read this now, as you will all be tucked up in bed, while I’m on the otherside ofthe world thinking about the game and what might have been.
So what if we don’t win the league cup, or the premier league, or the Champions league. I would, of course love to see us win something, but we’ve enjoyed fantastic success over the last 20 years or so. We don’t have a divine right to win trophys every year. Just get behind the team and keep believing. We are UNITED!!
I think everyone here must be drunk.
We had a better game my arse. Carrick and Anderson were fucking woeful. With the exception of Valencia and Giggs everybody was either under-performing or overwhelmed by the occasion.
Sure the refereeing decisions were a complete joke but aside from our performance in the last 10 mins or so. We didn’t deserve shit. I thought our midfield should have been taken out the back door and shot. Carrick deserves a fucking tight slap from his nan and Anderson needs to be banned from fried chicken and put on a tread mill for the rest of his natural fucking life.
The game was so frustrating I came close many time to putting my foot through the television.
We can’t complain if we don’t turn up when we lose. If we play like men possessed and lose then I have no complaints because that’s when we play like Man Utd. This inconsistent sissy shit that’s been happening every other game where the team just turns into a sackful of nancies… You know what? That team can just fuck off.
Some of these cunts need to be given the fucking axe. Enough of this justifying and band-aiding shit.
@ manchuchu
I really dont know what to say mate….when the effects of whatever you were drinking/smoking wears off, maybe you should come back and watch a video of the game. The lads gave their all, they were fighting hard for every ball, every 50:50, what more can you ask of the lads…if the referee has basically decided we are not going to get any 50:50 decision our way, then I’m afraid theres not too much we can do about it…
@MG
I like you plan. It’s kind of good. But there is one thing which worries me. Human are greedy. I’m afraid if some fans wants more rights or say and opinions differ and we might kill ourselves. I do hope that is not the case and hopefully this plan will work out. LUHG
manchuchu makes a pretty good point. Thought in fairness it was an even game. They looked dangerous going forward and Bellamy’s pace seemed to trouble us.
I’m 50-50 on the pen, wouldn’t have given it myself, but can see why it was. The corner for the 2nd goal was a joke. Plus Tevez impeding VDS before the ball came back in. Ando shoulda fucking cleared it too.
Valencia -who i normally like, had a shocker. Recently he seems to slow the play down and look for an easy ball inside rather than trying to beat his man like he has shown he can do this season.
Again 4-5-1 didn’t work… Owen looked good coming on. Not in his performance so much, but freed up Rooney, who looked much sharper and hungry this week.
Evra was a fucking legend as always.
Bellamy is a cunt. Not sure how he didn’t get sent off!! I actually fucking wouldn’t mind seeing him dead. Not too impressed with Carlos too (yellow card for that high fucking lunge anyone?), but i think we did treat him worse than most of us care to admit. Hope Neville kicks the shit out him at OT for what he was saying to him after he scored!
Either way, Utd to win the 2nd leg and my annoying Citeh mate can fucking sit down again!
Yes the team has been inconsistent in the last few games, but not yesterday. The players ran their socks off for the team last night. Individual mistakes were made, notably by brown and rafael but that does not mean they didnt try.
You yourself point out that the referee decisions were a joke, (not only for both their goals but also other major ocassions as well) Now if TWO goal/game changing decisions go against you, I’m pretty sure a lot of the teams out there would lose that particular game. So your saying “we didnt deserve shit” is completely baseless I’m afraid.
The real the foul is outside the box,, and Rafael knew it ,so he stopped touching bellamy inside the box; but Bellamy just went down, and Ref thought he still pulling his shirt inside the box.
Man utd can still win, when we got VIdic back. And I must said Shay Given was really good at that match. Otherwise Rooney would have scored atleast 2 goals.
And for Tevez, he became 2nd Adebayor. Hope Vidic will be there at 2nd leg.
true man…absolutely…can’t wait!!
Yeah, I like 4-4-2 formation cuz the defenders were all around Rooney. And do u guys realize that everytime we change into other formations instead of 4-4-2 we ended up losing.
And I was pissed when Shitty fans throw something at Evar, who the fuck they thought they were.
The 4-4-2 formation worked yesterday only because we were being invited to attack and city were defending all out holding for the win.Had this been the formation from the start it would not have clicked.
Should SAF persist with Berbatov and Rooney?. I think yes.Sir Alex knows that the team does not have any creativity through the middle as we saw yesterday. Hopefully the 2 forwards can cobine as they did against Burnley more often.The only way we can attack is through the wings via Valencia(mostly) and evra/nani.It worked yesterday at the start but once Bellamy started chasing back and The amount of space for Valencia was reduced he struggled to make an impact.Rooney could drop deep late in the game knowing owen would be there in the box which gave him more freedom.Here comes the idea of playing Rooney in an advanced attacking midfield role which is worth a try in my opinion since the centre of midfield has no creativity at all.
a 4-5-1 formation can be used against the big 4 and in the champions league last 16 where we cant be too agressive and will need to approach games tactically looking to keep a clean sheet rather than looking for goals
*combine*
Red Devil – hi mate. I think if City hadn’t scored the goal from the non-existing penalty we would have conceded anyway. Yes, the players worked their socks off but not the entire game. Maybe i am asking too much but how many of you were actually confident we would score during the final minutes ?
aig alex is god – good morning mate (is it actually morning?). agree with everything you’ve said. another game lost without Berba in the team. Coincidence ?
@ Extra Time Looming Large
Lol man….Sign keano for a one-match contract..hahaha classic
I’m afraid that wont happen, although we do have Nemanja, not too bad eh?
he’ll fucking murder that Twat Car’lolita’ tevez
@Corea
Hi mate.
i knew we wouldnt score but i knew we would create a lot. The late goals have stopped now compared to the last 2 years or the early part of this season.
anyways with Brown and evans there we were never going to keep a clean sheet. It is a characterisitic of United to concede against the run of play either due to poor defending or due to shocking refreeing decisions
@corea
Good morning
it is 12:15 here.so good afternoon
Strange isnt it, but berba has started only 2 of the games we have lost this season. yesterday was our 8th defeat in all competitions if i am correct.
@ Corea, AIG
Morning guys…. not sure if its such a good one!
I can see your point mate, but I can tell you one thing. towards the end of the game I was on the edge of my seat thinking of the owen headlines all over again. We have missed at least 5-6 very good chances in that 20 min period. Yes we were a bit wayward with our finishing but at least the lads gave their all….they got stuck in and really showed desire out there which was missing from some our earlier lame performances.
And I think my first post on this topic said it all, if anyone started to spout off the same Berba vs Tevez thing after last night deserved a kick up their backsides…. Berba is one of us now, not that deluded argentine twat Lolita tevez…would have the classy bulgarian over that chicken any day
Rooney and Owen don’t link up well? Looked pretty good to me. That away goal will prove priceless…
Red Devil
Morning mate.
we did well throughout the game but started creating only Mancini told city to hold on for a win inviting us to attack.Otheriwse Rooney was very isolated until owen came on and the midfield was doing well to keep the ball but there was no creativity apart from valencia who faded a bit as the game went on because city gave him less space to work with realising he was our only attacking oulet that was causing them problems
@ AIG
Yeah, i’m a bit worried about our defending too tbh. Brown doesnt seem to have recovered completely….he’s still some way off his 2007-08 season form. Evans has been uncharacteristic mistakes, but he’s still young really. Remember how a young Rio ferdinand was mistake prone in his youth (he seems to be reverting to those tendencies in his middle age too i’m afraid!)
Rafael is still a bit naive positionally..gets caught out far too often. i think our defensive problems have shaken the confidence of our team, as well as given opposing teams the chance to come at us, the fear factor being eroded by the kind of goals we have been conceding at the back. Any Tom, dick or harry now thinks he can score against us..we need Rio and Vida back!
Soft post match reaction from Fergie. He is right in saying that it is not a disaster because we have a second game at OT but how many times he has tried to make the same conclusion ? It is january Fergie. Next time you will have to say smth else. Let’s hope it will not be the case.
why these things happen only to us???? and in gol.com they said that tevez piled pressure on sir alex ,i cant understand a shit of this…. return leg 3-0 BELIEVE GUYS
Also now we are in a dilemma because we play Arsenal just 4 days after the 2nd leg. SAF will have to decide what teams he wasnts to put out and will have one eye on the Arsenal game.
According to me the Arsenal game is much more important and i would want the key players to be fresh for that. On current form a draw at the Emirates will be as good as a win.
@ AIG
I think the first 20-25 mins we played really well and created a few chances. I think we should bear in mind that city are a top side now. and in these big games there are not a lot of clear cut chances i’m afraid, a few half-chances here or there or a piece of brilliance usully decides it.
So from that point of view, I think the chances we created and some of the football we played was quite good. Some beautiful cross-field balls by the defenders, one-twos, etc looked really good.
I was dissapointed with Carrick to be honest. His passing is becoming more and more square and sideways or backwards. He is afraid to take responsibility to pass it forward for fear of giving away the ball….at least Ando and Fletcher had the attacking incisive intent..you’ll never create a goal by passing side and back all the time is it?
Red Devil – Carrick has been useless. He lacks guts, can’t put a strong tackle and can’t change games. We need a leader in that middle part and we need Hargo guys. Till he is back give me Ando in place of Carrick any time.
aig alex is god – shit. both games are equally important. we made the Carling Cup important and there is not much we can do about it. But honestly, did we have any choice ?
Arsenal game is on sunday i think whereas this one is on Wednesday, we have enough time to recover mate…3 1/2 days should be enough for a young team like ours…although giggs should be replaced by Nani or park to keep him fresh for arsenal.
fletch, rooney, Anderson all are young should be full of running. Its only january, with all the rotation we have been doing all year and the sunny, relaxing holiday to Qatar not so long ago, i think our players should be up for it no problem. Freshness is not (should not at least!) really an excuse in January.
Red Devi
exactly. we did well in the first 20-25 mins because Valencia was being given lot of space which city did not allow after 25 mins. Then Evra looked good going forward.
Ill be honest and say Anderson looked very lethargic as well. Carrick was not any better either.Fletcher looked miles better than both of them
Well Scott, away goals do count. But its kinda different from normal away goals rule like in CL.
“The ties are played over two matches (one at each club’s stadium), with the aggregate score being used to determine the winners. If the aggregate scores are level at the end of the 90 minutes, extra time is played. If the scores are still level at the end of extra time, the team which has scored more away goals goes through. If the number of away goals is still level, a penalty shootout is used to decide the winners.”
So away goals come into consideration only after extra time. Therefore, if United win 1-0, there will be extra time. If it remains same after extra time, United go through.
Come on United!!! It cant be a joyride always! Lets do it!
Red Devil and corea
We have put ourself in a position where nothing is certain(we can go to the final or get knocked out) and we will forced to play a strong team now.3.5 days must be enough but Arsenal get the full week to recover and that is worrying because they are getting players back from injury.
Also it may be 3.5 days but for some like Rooney it will be 5 games in 15 days if you count from the Burnley game.
I could be wrong but i am quite sure that their second shite goal came from a corner that was ABSOULUTELY NOT a corner! Mike Dean you fucking tool!
Some of our football was just great last night, and I just like you Scott cannot wait for those fucking dirty pricks to come to us. As for Craig ‘the cunt’ Bellamy…I hope i run into him on the street one day; ill break his fucking nose!
Just a thought.. Remember the last time we lost to a team 2-1 away in the first leg? The second leg at Old Trafford was………….
…….. 7-1
Also, remember that last semi-final 2nd leg at Old Trafford when we only needed a goal to go through?
@ AIG
You worry too much my friend
Be Positive (have ya seen the movie No Entry!)
Players are charged up for these kind of games with the adrenaline and all.
I’m pretty sure that even if we dont do well against Arsenal, it wont be down to tiredness….the real reason will be something else..
As for players coming back for injuries, we might be getting rio or vida back before that game and they might be given a chance to prove their fitness in that game on wednesday so it could work out for the best for us. I think Rooney will start on the bench against hull, Berbatov/diouf and Owen I reckon
@KJ
7-1. Easier said than done mate.wont happen.It was one hell of a performance we gave that night.Such a night comes very rarely.
Think the last time we needed a win at OT by 1 goal margin was Barcelona. Hope the atmosphere next week for shitty’s arrival is equally good
Red Devil
haha. have seen that movie.so many times it is shown now a days
However as you said yesterday now a days its the “all izz well” syndrome that is famous. However this season things are far from well and there isnt much reason to be positive. sorry, but i am more of a pessimist as opposed to you and many people here who are always optimistic
The Arsenal game should anyways pump the players up but of late the players are really letting the fans down in the big games. Rooney will start against Hull. Without him it could be another struggle. Remember Hull held spurs at WHL last week. They are possibly better than Burnley away fron home and if we struggled past Burnley, no gurantee we will break down Hull easily.
Scott, you always manage to cheer me up – something I thought would be impossible after the travesty that was last night. Mike Dean is a joke. It’s annoying, too, that the story of the game is now all about Tevez rather than what amounts to the most ridiculous penalty decision I think I’ve ever seen.
I truly hope you’re right, and that we absolutely batter them in the second leg. 5-0 would be about right.
12 men.
I hate the fact we lost but we had the chances to win the game – Rooney should have dinked it over Shay Given twice last night.
It just highlights he isn’t a natural finisher (he does everything else so well though) and there is a need for someone like David Villa.
Fergie needs to sign a big player and I am more convinced than ever. I don’t want to criticise United but Carrick/Anderson were terrible last night. De Jong dominated those 2 players.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11688_5872084,00.html
Danny Simpson is going to Newcastle on a permanent deal
that 4-3-3 formation doesnt work, lets just stick to 4-4-2 and batter these bitter fucks on 2nd leg
We lost not because of our lack of determination, passion or any of sorts. United were actually playing some of their better football of the season for most of the game. Rooney playing as a lone striker clearly won’t work, when Owen came on, we WITNESSED the power of Rooney, those mesmerising runs. This match really showed the incompetence of referees, Mike Dean in particular.. some AWFUL decisions, a yellow card for standing infront of goal to catch a peno.. giving the penalty for tugging shirt OUTSIDE of the box, standing in the middle of every United plays0, most notably when he blocked Anderson, leading twat Bellamy to earn a corner, when it was supposed to be a goal kick.. and countless other bad decisions and bias towards Shity. If United play like they did yesterday at Old Trafford in the second leg, and the referee is objective, there is no doubt whatsoever United will be BATTERING, playing Shity off the park. And to conclude, Tevez is a real cunt! Just shows how players from Shity are either bitter rejects, cunts, lowlifes, money grabbing fucks! Shay Given, although a little bit mental!, stands out of the City squad as the only player with some class (and he’s Irish) ahaha.
Good writing Scott; agree with many of your points. I’m glad that after too many feeble performances United were up for this and they should be straining at the leash like the hounds of hell for the Old Trafford match.
Our central defense is still is worry and I hope we get at least Vidic back, Evra was outstanding again, the young lad Rafael on the other side struggled a little bit, but was generally OK and made some solid runs forward. Midfield controled things well but need to push up and link with the front players to create more hances, as was the case when Fergie changed things arounf in the last part of the game, we ned a foil for Rooney to be a genius, the lone striker never allows us to unleash the beast inside him.
I think the most annoying points of the game have been covered by other Reds, but I said before the game that Dean is a swine, this is clearly upgraded to complete wanker from the planet cunt.
So for Old Trafford: more intensity, the midfield not playing so deep, two up front please, Vidic back (and Rio if fully fit); and let’s hope we smash the living fuck out of the bastards.
Good writing Scott; agree with many of your points. I’m glad that after too many feeble performances United were up for this and they should be straining at the leash like the hounds of hell for the Old Trafford match.
Our central defense is still is worry and I hope we get at least Vidic back, Evra was outstanding again, the young lad Rafael on the other side struggled a little bit, but was generally OK and made some solid runs forward. Midfield controlled things well but need to push up and link with the front players to create more chances, as was the case when Fergie changed things around in the last part of the game, we need a foil for Rooney to be a genius, the lone striker never allows us to unleash the beast inside him.
I think the most annoying points of the game have been covered by other Reds, but I said before the game that Dean is a swine, this is clearly upgraded to complete wanker from the planet cunt.
So for Old Trafford: more intensity, the midfield not playing so deep, two up front please, Vidic back (and Rio if fully fit); and let’s hope we smash the living fuck out of the bastards.
Totally agree with many posts here . I feel our midfield lacks consistency and isn’t strong / creative enough. Carrick is weak, scholes is past it to last 90 minutes, anderson lacks consistency and a great shot, I hope we’ll get better as the season peaks. the only performers are evra, rooney and valencia which really worries me.
Yeah, Rooney is not much of a natural finisher, hopefully Owen, and even Ole can teach him something… i also miss Rooney’s incredible thunderbolts from far range… his shots seem to always rocket up or bounce off a defender now..
I will only say this much:we need to get Vidic and Rio back in our defence if we are to stop leaking goals.God knows how many goals we have conceded when those 2 haven’t been playing.
If those 2 do start next week,we’re in with a great chance.
shameful reffing…………dont know who i hate most bellemy or tevez, that gobby welsh shite needs a good hidding and as for tevez…….whats he trying to prove with this hands cupped around his ears, shows he,s still bothered about not being at united. someone should tell him its getting embarrassing. never known any other ex united player carry on like this. looking forward to nxt week………..if we play like that again it could be a mauling, my moneys on 4.0 rooney hat trick. man.united will never die.
Good day gents. Apparently we are close to signing a young centre back named Even Hovland from Sogndal, which is where I live. I don’t know much about him but he is supposed to be very quick and strong. He has impressed at trials at United and at 20 has many good years in front of him
i said it before, shay given is one the best GK in the league. we should have bought him when newcastle went down!
Just like to add my tuppenceworth!
* Not a pen but for Christ sake can someone tell Rafael to stop grabbing every time a player goes past him. It’s not the first it’s led to a pen!
* Echoing several comments above, central defence is a big worry. Brown is just not good enough and not having Rio or Vida around really highlights the deficiences in Evan’s game – good outside the box but totally lost when the ball is crossed into the box.
* Carrick played better than of late but still falls between two stools. Not mobile or aggressive enough to be a holding player and not creative going forward.
* Fletch’s getting better and better. just hate it when he gets pushed out wide
* Anderson very disappointing again
* Agree with above, Rooney should be given the free role and we get an out & out goalscorer (RvN?)
Just to add my own thought about that last night’s performance.
United are looking like Real Madrid all those years ago.
Raul was the amazing player surrounded by mediocre players.
I think the same is happening at United.
Rooney is currently the jewel in the crown surrounded by mediocre players. We can go in to many reasons why this has happened but in short the team lacks invention and creativity and strength.
If Rooney get’s injured this season forget about winning anything.
Tht was some performance by us, shitty were outplayed for most of the part but tht twat dean gave away a silly penalty i feel sorry for tht kid he played good and the future of united look good with boOth the twins playng together we lacked the killer touch as rooney was playing alone….we should play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 so that we can actually capatialise on the oppertunities…can’t wait to hear the tevez chant at OT….we gonna show these whores tht money can’t buy u trophies!
We finally seen a United side play well and attack in the second half – Granted we were behind but i thought we looked quality in the second half and played some great football. confident of the second league as long as either Vida or Rio are back.
Was it me or does Owen and Rooney link up really well? Come on SAF give them a run of games together. Owen will be desperate to play and prove he still has it.
RedDevil @ 23:24: “@ Corea
Mate….Given cant have such an outstanding game week after week”
Sorry, but Given is a fantastic shot-stopper – agile and very athletic. He is the reason why Shitty are in with “puncher’s luck”. He’s done it before and he’ll do it again. He most definitely CAN have such an outstanding game again !
@rooney the new king @2.55
Mate I totally understand your anger – again if our defence had been intact I believe the last 6 weeks would not have been harsh – injuries coupled with what the Glazer’s have shown – coupled with our noisy neighbours – coupled with dare I say it ref decisions – however I hope what goes around comes around – means it’s hang on time for us.
I thought yesterday we played well – the ref got them into it and of course their second goal was part luck part bad defending on our behalf – and thanks to Given – he’s kept them into it.
We will see them at OT
Last summer only showed the contempt Ronaldo had for the club – again he is at an age that he could have easily stayed on until SAF left and then if he wanted to go have his dream – I don’t think any one of us would ever begrudged him.
Again the Tevez situation was a joke – he was given his chance but again he waited for his agent to get a bigger deal. United gave Tevez a chance to win 2 premierships – a CL – a CC – aWCC – yet he chooses to go to a team that is nearly doubling his wage and cannot offer him CL football and have won nothing in 33 years. Just because they are into some money doesn’t equate that they will be successful. His anger yesterday and his attitude was more than disgusting – and is typical of what City are building – check Adebayor against Arsenal in the league. Also it justifies that he wanted to walk because his agent had an influence on him which far outweighed the influence that SA had. Tevez is welcome to it – couldn’t care less.
@kel@6.35
Mate the answer to that is simple – a law binding document would have to be signed that each fan being equal to the other fan is doing this to buy the club on sentimental reasons – and cannot have no financial gain ever – most importantly that once they have bought there individual share they cannot sell it on to say someone like the Glazer’s who want to buy the club.
Once the club is owned by the fans it will stay like that from here to eternity – that is the end of that.
If people are considering trying to sell there share on – they can do for the same price to another fan who doesn’t hold a share – end of story.
All I am doing is writing away trying to cover every angle – I will keep on talking about it and tell everyone what I am doing and what I have got. This is not for me – for all of us – it’s just hard work and commitment – I think we can do that – can’t we?
We must go for it against City in the second leg. Were Manchester United- nothing less than a win is ever good enough, no matter what competition were playing at the time, yes Arsenal is important but we simply cannot make it easy for Man City now.
I honestly cannot believe the second leg still isnt sold out, I know its the carling cup but surely its worth £40 to see a semi-fianl second leg against our smaller rivals???? I just dont get it. Hopefully being a late Wednesday kick off there will be some real passionate fans singing along with me in the Stretford end, we need to really get behind our boys and make OT a hostile place for City. Make the City players what a real clubs stadium is like!!!!
Cummon United!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Felt so bad going to the wastelands and losing Yet i saw we were better
Remember we win 1-0 and we are in (AET)
The last 25 minutes they couldn’t get anywhere near us and we was unlucky not to score 2 more goals. Rooney was awesome in the last 10 minutes and his fantastic run deserved a goal. Bellamy’s a fucking cunt who was lucky to still be on the pitch at full-time. Take the game to them in the second leg, nick an early goal and build on it.
@MG
I’ve got over £500 in my MUST account, count me in.
We were robbed yesterday. Penalty that wasn`t and a ghost corner.
We played one of the best games so far this season. We can win at old Trafford and qualify for the final. Rooney was fantastic. But we still need to have Vidic and Rio as soon as possible.
@Can’t polish a council house turd
Mate your the first one to give your intent – thank you
Again nothing has been set up in a form of a document which in due course sometime next week I’ll have – and I will ask Scott if he can write it up and hopefully if he can provide a link on the site where this can start off.
I also hope that as we start this off that the same document can roll out onto all United websites here and around the world.
To be clear this is my intention
2 million united fans pay 500 pounds as a way of a sentimental share and buy the club – every fan is equal no one can have any more right than the next fan
You can only sell your share on for the same price to a fan who doesn’t hold a share – you will be asked to be bound to a legal document that no financial gain can be made out of the share and no fans can collude to sell it on to anyone like the Glazers or the Arabs or whatever – this buyout will stay as it is – we want to see our club where it belongs at the top forever.
There will in due course be a charter between the fans and the club that will outline that the club effectively holds the right to charge us accordingly but fair on ticket prices etc. However we (the whole 2 million fans) will pay the club an amount of ownership per year somewhere between 20-100 pounds to make sure that the club is run – ready for transfer activity – etc on top of the money the club generates.
Again maybe as a fan mentioned yesterday – if the club finds it acceptable – we can all get something out of it if the club so chooses to wish – but this will not be something that we will ask for or want since it can become a loophole somewhere down the line that some fans may want to exploit – however I really believe there are 2 million of us who know why we would get into this.
This is our club and we are prepared to defend it.
Plus I am sickened with what control freaks the Glazer’s are becoming cue Saturday’s protest – removal of the banner – ejection of fans –
And today the debt has gone up 719m to 699
Please everyone just keep on writing if this is a good idea and if you would be willing to do this – I hope to have something ready as mentioned soon
Sorry I meant to say the debt has gone up from 699 to 716m
@ MG
sorry, didn’t realize that you moved on this topic to talk about the possible fan takeover plan.
i typed a long reply in the other thread (the MUST/IMUSA one if you wanted a browse) if you are interested
(I won’t repost here as it’s long and a bit off topic from the city match)
@MG
I seriously hope this is the start of an over-due uprising. The club can clearly not be allowed to continue to be run in this manner. We are all in no doubt that the yanks must go and due to the spiralling debt, time is of the essence. I would ask you to consider that the suggested bonds might accrue value to the rate of inflation, so as the bonds retain their value relative to the economy. Just a thought but i’m in regardless!
PS :I’m no financial wizz kid I could be talking bollocks!
On the same subject has anyone else seen this article from today (just found it)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/7029199/Manchester-United-supporters-unite-in-bid-to-unseat-the-Glazer-family.html
This buying thing will never work. Simple.
Seriously, i love this club but wind your necks clean in.
Yip.
@MG
Love your idea and hope it works. If I had £500, I would definitely be in, but I’m afraid I don’t.
@ Can’t polish a council house turd
Thanks for that – As mentioned initially everything is based on gathering people and a statement of intent – if we got 2 million United fans together all agreeing from the same hymn sheet – a proposal could be made in the future – but again I would argue being a sentimental show of defiance – this is as of now just a means to see if we as fans can save our club from what I perceive to be scroungers and villains – but good point nevertheless
@di
I’ve read your stuff – I’m totally on board – listen I know MUST are trying to contact United fans who have deep pockets – fair enough – yes you are right that we have to explore many ways – no sweat – this is just a simple proposal and something as I’ve mentioned is based solely first on an intent that if we can get 2 million signatures that are willing to pay 500 pounds each – that would take us to a billion and we could hopefully have a plan to throw out into the attention of the world media that we mean business.
I will never discount your ideas – I wouldn’t be here if you didn’t mean it in the first place and no we shouldn’t stop – do you want to connect – find me on my facebook page azad ghani – I’m sitting in front of Sydney Harbour bridge : ) We can keep going privately – I respect your commitment to Uni – I would be privileged to run the page and try to connect as many fans as possible over whatever ideas we can all get together.
As they say every journey has it’s first steps…
@RedMegleeker
I appreciate your view but to counter that I would argue that it will be better to have tried than to have never even bothered to have seen how far a few United fans with a wild dream ever got
@shebangsthedrums
No sweat – thank you very much at least for the vote of confidence – if it comes down to it you can do something better – just spread the word : )
@ MG
not a web social networker fan (I bearly ever text – that’s how bad I am), sorry
I’ll set up a separate email account just for this as all this could get quite big and i’d want to keep it separate from my regular email. Then we can communicate on this via email instead – is that ok?
I’d still like to be a part of this and i’ll have time to get this all started and up and running and also help to email around supporter groups around the world to drum up interest and hopefully support and future fan investments(I only speak english, but if their was ever a reason to learn another language or 2 it’s this) i should also have time to update the homepage 2-3 times a week, perhaps more if it doesn’t take long. But possible area’s like a forum (which you’ll need to develop the above plan with other fans (groups) i’d imagine will need a moderator or two and if this extends into other web medians such as facebook, twitter…. then someone else may need to run those.
Leading me to one last question – what should the name of all this be?
you may think this is lame but I’ll put it out there – what about “Agenda MU” (i was orignally thinking Agenda M as it’s more catchy but it may already be copyright as a spanish music site so….)? What do you think?
@di fair enough
The MUFC Fans Ownership?
United will never die?
Red Fans United?
The Busby Reds Foundation?
MUFC Fans Foundation?
United Fans Foundation?
Red Fans Foundation?
Foundation seems like a word that can connect – I don’t know yet mate – maybe yours can work –
What about Untitled United Fans Project for the moment?
We just need to go – Like I said I would not be here without someone waking me up to the fact that this has gone on for too long.
Let’s just get going – we’ll take it from there.
@di
We could link it to the ROM with Scotts help – I’m sure we can drum enough interest – after all we have started it from this blog
We can also ask Scott for an insight into connecting everything.
Maybe we can run the forum from here under his leadership?
I don’t know obviously let’s start something then connect the dots
Just going on to the links page on ROM and there is a lot of info on connecting with other reds around the world – so instantly their is information available to reach out.
I’m nervous I’m excited but we have to do this – keep it up who knows where we’ll end up. Something has to be better than nothing which we have now with the Yanks.
@ MG
even though i don’t think that names can be copyrighted you’d probably be treading a fine line with using mufc in a title without uniteds permission but then again i don’t study law so what would I know (On the suggest of law it may be an idea asap to get someone on board with experience on that subject – esp if all this gets to a nitty gritty stage later on), that’s why I went with mu – bcos we all knows what it means to us but it doesn’t seem like it’s associated to another major company who could sue if ticked off.
prehaps the ‘agenda mu’ name could be used on the website as a whole name (like a family group title) with the development & eventual fan based takeover called something like ‘untitled MU fan takeover foundation’ or something until an working typed up plan (and prob a lot of legal docs if this looks like it can be pulled off) has be drawn up. Both agenda and foundation are good words to use for this as in the oxford faithful (i’m refering to a dictionary here!) ‘agenda’ means “A list or outline of things to do, issues to resolve, questions to be decided, and the like.” and ‘foundation’, “an institution supported by an endowment, often one that provides funds for charities, research, etc” so both make sense to use.
i’ll get the new email running in the next 1-2hrs and post the address here is that all this off topic, very public planning can happen in private!
MG – “Something has to be better than nothing which we have now with the Yanks.”
oh no, don’t jinx it – you remember the saying ‘be careful what you wish for!’, almost as bad as magpie sayings!!! but yeah, if in the unlikelihood that unknown to all of us the glazers are the best ting that ever happened to utd, i’ll eat my hat and probably my trainers too!
You just have to believe that things could be at least more comfortable for our club and us fans if nothing else!
Actually Scott, away goals do count in the Carling Cup, but only if the aggregate scores are level after extra time in the 2nd leg. Atleast thats what the wikipedia page about the Carling Cup says.
@MG
Im definately in. Can donate whatever it takes and will do anything else that would help Man Utd to get rid of the Glazers.
LUHG
@MG: Given that a lot of fans are young people (many are students) in Asian/African countries where the currency conversion doesnt exactly work in our favour, can we have a lower minimum slab? I am in, but cant cough up 500 pounds right now…could do 100 without the missus knowing (sorry!) , but as as far as intent is concerned, I won’t budge an inch! Let’s do it!
@ MG
Hats off to the passion man….
Count me in….500 pounds is no small change, but almost infinitesimally small compared to the sheer WILL of the Red devils all over the world.
I definitely sign up….am also willing to contribute to the process of concept-creation and the financial know-how required to pull it off.
But I suggest another thread or forum to discuss and formalize these things as you have already mentioned above
WE’LL NEVER DIE!
@di
Regarding the name – no problem – like I said let’s just get going – I’m not going to wait on picking a name : )
@niklas89
Thank you very much for you support – we hope that we can start something that will be a precedent for other clubs and more importantly a legacy for us
@Jeet
No need to ever say sorry – the whole process is just an intent and like di says there will be other avenues as well that we will have to explore – but this is my hope that 2 million fans can pitch 500 each – I think a billion straight in cash will make the Glazer’s run – again if the intent is complete will take it from there – this is just the beginning – a lot to do – just keep up and spread the word when the time comes
@Red Devil
Hats off to you for the reply : )
If anyone wants to connect with me which we can then connect with at di’s proposed site then it is:
Azad Ghani on facebook – as mentioned before I’m sitting in front of Sydney Harbour Bridge on the photograph : )
Just keep on connecting – my email address for everyone that wants to connect with me if not on facebook and then we can simultaneously connect with di’s site is azadghani@rocketmail.com
Just don’t forget to mention who you are so I’m not perplexed when I’m getting new emails from all over the place!
We will never die
@di
funny that jinx comment – yeah you’ll have to eat your hat and your trainers – but I don’t think the Glazer’s will bail you out – rest assured we’ll try to do that ourselves ; )
@Red Devil – thank you any help that you can provide will be a great benefit to carry this on – let’s get it off the ground and then we can somehow work it out
Just through talking we have got together:
di
myself
Can’t polish a council house turd
niklas89
Jeet (we are a while away from asking for the money – carry on saving up buddy!)
Red Devil
That’s 6 people – 3000 pounds in intent – we can do this
out of 330 million fans we need 2 million.
By the way an intent should be taken as that – it doesn’t mean that everyone will be able to pay – so it’s obvious that was just a show of solidarity on my behalf on how we can move this project off the ground – and of course in my plan we may need more than 2 million people just in case some drop out – but we shall never give up;
not for our club
One more thing:
there will be students who will sign up like di has done and admirably has led this from the beginning
There will be those like Jeet who quite correctly points out that in some countries currency conversion doesn’t favour a better return so even 500 pounds which may not be a lot to some is huge for others.
Let this not stop us let it just make us stronger.
Remember this is a plan of intent – we just need to connect other reds and have them on board for something truly great – there will be other plans or forms of action but let’s be clear right now of something that is pretty important;
The days of action – the days of marches – the days of letting yourself heard – is over
Whilst all the above may be noble and passionate – unfortunately it all falls on deaf ears. At the end all of us know that only one thing speaks and that is money.
So I am asking only once in your life to not throw away or give away but to make the investment of your life – that of buying your club on sentimental reasons and seeing it prosper without anyone fleecing it. That the club grows bigger still and that we can attract players of any calibre from anywhere whilst at the same time keeping our Youth projects intact – again something I need to work on with regards to a Club/Fans charter when hopefully I’ll have when we have enough fans to kick the Glazer’s asses out of OUR club -
All we have to do is to keep going.
@MG
i am sorry mate but i dont understand much of this. can you explain the pros and cons of it.
500 pounds.I am just a student working temporarily for experience.Thats too much for me.
@aig alex is god
It’s okay mate – you don’t have to worry about anything
All I have is a plan which is one of many which you’ll find on di’s proposed website which is coming soon. So watch this space
2 million United fans pay 500 pounds which equates to 1 billion which buys the club (hopefully) from the thieving Glazer’s
It’s at first just an intent – nothing has been set up – account wise to put money in – this is being done to get as many fans together as possible.
I’m trying to work a Club/Fans charter out
Also the 500 share will be a one off so no one can buy more on the basis that every fan is equal. Subsequently no fan can sell it on to someone like the Glazer’s in time there will be a legal document if and when the time comes pointing out that the share is a sentimental value and cannot be sold off to a profit.
At the moment it’s all simple. Don’t worry yourself – we know people will want to get involved when this is set up then you can make a bigger contribution than the money – spread the word that something is about to happen.
Everyone has a part to play whether it is those that can be a part of this plan or those that can spread the word – we are all the same – that will never change
We are in it for Manchester United and for it’s future – don’t give up on that
@MG
Hats off to you mate for having such an idea and trying your best to ensure we can make this happen and get back ‘our club’. I will definitely want to get involved and make whatever little contribution i can from my side. I will also try and tell all my United friends about it and tell them to take part as well.
All the best and we are all with you mate.
BELIEVE!!!!
the 4-5-1 is not getting us anywhere.
Plain Simple. I would play 4-4-2 with Wazza and Berbatov( Yes, Berbatov) and sub Owen on for a midfielder just after the 2nd half…Berbatov can bring out his creativeness, Rooney would be the goalscoring menace he is.. And Owen would grab any oppurtunity he gets( makes you forget he played for Liverpool, eh?)
C’Mon UNITED!!
MG – Alright mate. I really do doth my cap pal but hate to be defeatist. As RedMegleeker said I just cannot see this fans buy out happening. Its ok for people to say count me in but when it comes to handing over cash it may be very different. Hope it works but just cannot see it.
Expecting stick for this but sorry its just MY opinion.
@King Eric
You are quite right my friend when you say it all looks a bit ‘daydreamy’ (sorry, just couldn’t find a better word!
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But I think the guy is showing awful lots of passion here and we need to encourage that.
Being a finance professional, I know the chances of the said proposal going through is very minute, almost to the point of impossibility. There r just too many loose ends..but who knows…impossible things do happen…
For all the finance experts out there, very few predicted the financial turmoil that rocked the world last year and even fewer people believed them.Strange things can happen if we give them a chance to happen.
I do think that providing that there is some real good organisation this is entirely possible- if not in the exact proposal from MG but something similar- I find it hard to believe that of the hundreds of millions of real United fans in the world that something cannot be arranged with not just the money but the passion and even financial expertise and legal advice that will be available from a pool of millions of people.
Good on MG for getting at least some good ideas together and I for one am determined to follow through and do something win or lose its worth a try!!!
Thanks for the solidarity, guys…just thinking of some things though:
1. As someone with more finance said, if we came to stage where we were to offer the Glazers to buy the club, would they agree?
2. They would probably put up ten investment banking sharks, bury us in paperwork for like a hundred years, and I just hope we have got similar strength in our numbers
3. As per the idea, we understand that every penny of what the club earns goes back to the club. Would we be covered twenty years hence, when the infra needs a big overhaul? One usually brings in instituitonal investors or goes public to fund growth. Do you think we would be covered for that?
But what the hell, as MG and others said, if we just start and show intent, and put massive pressure on the system, whos saying things wont change? We wont give up, and we will never die. Attack, attack, attack!!!
Ok i’ve opened up a email address just for mail on this so that i can keep it separate from my other mail:
Even though I think the main aim is to get something online as quick as possible – we need help in running, getting the word around, ideas in funding and just support in general in the next week or so.
the address is:
MUFanAgenda@googlemail.com
@ King Eric
There’s a really good quote from one of our former players that is fitting in this moment in time (though adidas may of feed him the lines!?! – can someone correct me on that btw):
“Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live the world they’ve been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It’s an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It’s a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”
– David Beckham
Perhaps a fan takeover is impossible, but we will not know that for certain until we try. if this all falls apart then then at least we know that the option has been explored and no one can say what if…
plus if a fan based takeover ever was to happen it would be the ultimate goal in this – but there will be other goals in all this which will be easier to achieve and may get us somewhere as well – so all this is unlikely to be a waste of time in all areas!
@ jeet
i know there are problems on the financial and legal side – there are a couple of finance things that i need to mention to MG that he may not of thought of.
if thing was to happen then the details of the details of the details would need to be written up and we’d need a few people with at least legal experience on side so we can’t get caught out by people who just want to make money. people who know me know that I cover every angle know that I look under every rock carefully when doing research work so i’ll do my best to uncover all issues i can with this now (without having a law background) so that we can resolve them sooner rather than later!
@ jeet
I am a student (and currently a broke one at that) so I know what you are talking about but i also know that a huge amount of students (esp in manchester) are united fans and that huge number can help in creating a massive voice in all this which will not cost them a penny. plus utd fans who are students often have families who are also utd fans so…
But considering that realistically it will take a lot of time to work out all the details, get everything in place and drum up the army voice wise (not sword play (money) as of yet) finances will not come to play for a while yet (for a start there’s no where for it to be stored yet (an account)!!!)
@aig alex is god
We are all in it together – no matter what we can individually do – because at the end by doing a little bit together we will do so much more
@King Eric
Mate you have been always supportive and at the same time honest in everything I’ve said. I would never want it any other way. I’ll tell you what I believe – I’m telling my five year old astronaut mad son about Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong – he sits in wonder thinking how we got to the moon. Maybe at the moment he will not remember much but he keeps on saying I want to go too.
Who am I to tell him that he can’t? Even he if never makes it or forgets about it as he grows up – at least for a moment he believed he could do something with my help.
That’s all we need to support each other – whatever will happen will happen – you after all always keep on saying that we should all hold on through the good times and when it really matters through the bad times.
So I’ll take your words and see how far we can all run with them.
@RedDevil
And mate we’ll need you when everything gets complicated – so let’s get to the point of complication – to where all the holes will be – and where the Glazer’s will stand like daylight robbers laughing at us telling us that they won’t sell. And then we’ll tell them whats real and whats not. And we will make them walk out of our club. Even if it means that we had to pay them out of our own pockets. But like I said this is like nothing that will be ever seen – we just could be onto the craziest, the most unlikeliest, the most absurd thing ever – but then so were a lot of other people that followed their dreams. We can do that can’t we?
@niklas89
Thanks buddy – we are all one here. Each of us can inspire one another to see how far we can get. That’s what we should all aspire too.
@Jeet
Well said – the only form of defence is too attack. So we will do that accordingly
@di
When the time comes mate we will get everything together – we will cover every angle and we will not leave anything untouched.
Like I said to you let’s do it.
And now that you have set the email address I have one thing to say to you.
Next:
MG – Thanks mate and for what it is worth you have my full support. I see today we have just done a lucrative deal with Turkish Airlines?
di – Oh absolutely mate. I am not saying it is impossible, not at all but I just know generally what people are like. Full of good ideas till it comes to parting with the dough especially in these harder times.
@King Eric
Yeah – replaced Air Asia as our flight partner – funny that I read that they had also been in touch with Barca too
Thank you for the support : )
i think talking about the match with shitty rooney tried to keep things done.but he was not getting the probable support from midfield when we were 1-2 down.so he decided to go on his own and he was all over the field running and distributing the play as far a he can.he had his chances, some impossible ones to strike through.he is the only player in our team who is absolutely dedicate and committed to the team.and the horrible player of that day was michael carrick.he should be given some rest.
i think younger player can players can play their part if given a chance….
macheda and obertan should be used ……as rafael had been given a chance they should also be.
can somebody give me some info abt the players that have already been bought at this transfer season………..