You expect moronic statements from rival fans who are pissed up in the pub, like United are a one-man team. However, you don’t expect the captains of Premiership teams to think and behave in the same way. Whilst footballers aren’t usually the brightest bulbs, you’d like to think they knew football. Sadly, this isn’t always the case though.
“Ronaldo won the last two leagues on his own,” said Fabregas. “The truth is it is a big piece of luck for the rest of us that he has gone. He is such a good player and very difficult to stop. It will be one problem less for us to deal with next season.”
Whilst it’s hard to argue that Cristiano Ronaldo was massively important to our success in 07/08, it’s ridiculous to ever claim that one player won the league by himself. There are certainly always going to be some players that are better than others or more effective than others, (which is something I’m sure Fabregas knows all about in the centre of a team full of players that just aren’t good enough) but no one player can ever win anything by himself.
For example, only one player in the Premiership assisted more goals than Dimitar Berbatov last season. Whilst Ronaldo can claim some brilliant solo goals, the vast majority of them were provided by someone else. We can thank his ability to read the game and good movement to get on the end of those passes but that doesn’t cancel out the role of the player who created the goal-scoring opportunity.
Federico Macheda scored two winning goals in the final weeks of the season that made the difference between us claiming two points and six points. Given that we won the league by four points and had an inferior goal difference to Liverpool, should we not be hailing Macheda as our title-winning hero?
Or what about our record breaking defence that went months without conceding a goal? Ronaldo’s goals would be useless if our defence had let in too many goals. United won eight games with a 1-0 scoreline last season which would have been eight draws if we conceded just one goal a game.
Or what about Wayne Rooney? Only five players scored more goals than him in the league and this was with him being largely played out of position on the left! We’ve all seen the damage he’s doing for England in a more central role and it is likely this is where we will see him more often next season.
People measure what Ronaldo has done for the team and then look at where we would be without his input. That is stupid. If Ronaldo wasn’t scoring the goals, someone else would be. Where are United going to be without Robson? Where are United going to be without Cantona? Where are United going to be without Beckham? Where are United going to be without Keane? Where are United going to be without Ruud? The questions have been asked time and again and they have then been answered. We went on to enjoy our most successful period ever in our history after Robson left. We won the Treble two years after Cantona left. We replaced Beckham with the future World’s Best Player. We won the league the season after Keane left. In Ruud’s last season he scored 21 goals, was the second highest scorer in the league and United scored a total of 72 goals. He left, we didn’t replace him, yet United scored 83 goals the next season and won the league. For fans and players to think that United minus Ronaldo equals United minus 18 league goals is as pathetic as it is moronic.
So just like all those players, Ronaldo won the titles on his own? Oh do fuck off Fabregas.
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This idiot is too mouthy for his own good. When did the Gooners last win a trophy?
Anderson shits on Fabregas !!!!
I’m sorry Melvinho but Anderson is no way near Fabregas’ standard at the moment, he has a lot of work to do.
Fabregas is right. We will suffer big time without Ronaldo. Ferguson should have done more to keep him. Money not important titles are.
you know, i hope all our rivals think like this. then this coming season would be a walk in the park…
Yes Anderson is the King. 0 goals 2 assists in 2 seasons trumps anything Fabregas has ever contributed to Arsenal.
And how dare Fabregas say that Ronaldo was the decisive player who scored 42 goals 2 seasons ago to help his team to a double. The entire Man United midfield had fewer assists that season than Fabregas alone but Ronaldo’s goals counter for nothing.
Everybody knows that World Footballers of the Year are not decisive players. Gee, I wonder why Ferguson played him in every single important match, and even in the Carling Cup.
Macheda as my title-winning hero
all hail kiko
oh my busby i hope he doesnt get injured over the summer
or united would be rightly bolloxed
the way ronaldo played played a huge part in our last 2 seasons
but it also had a huge part to play in the way rooney played
rooney is by far the best player at united and in my opinion as a 28year old has been since eric left
but those 2 are the best i dont know if 1 is better than the other
Rooney is a team player and will play right back if sir alex wanted to play oshea up front.
But he needs his team to win a game
For a pro footballer to let bitterness get the best of his footballer brain and say this stupid “1 man team” crap is really funny
Thank you ronaldo for all you did
but he didnt do fucking everything
side note i love Dimitar Berbatov
I dont agree totally with what Cesc said however im looking through the Squad and i dont see anyone scoring the amount of goals Ronaldo did in the last two seasons. It will be a massive plus to the other top 3 that Ronaldo has left. United have an amazing Squad with 80 Mil to spend however that one player could make a massive difference and i just think that united will fall short this year depending on who they sign.
He’s right, you lot must have forgotten ALL OF THOSE TIMES when Ronaldo tracked back to defend… he did all he could in our record breaking run of clean sheets!
You boys might want to take a look at this from Martin Samuel @ The Times…
“21 matches in the last two seasons in which a goal, or goals, from Ronaldo influenced the outcome, and in that time he scored 37 per cent of all Manchester United’s goals in the Premier League.”
Now that is pretty bloody scary for you lot! But pretty bloody enjoyable to read for everyone else! You will suffer…like Henry he was irreplaceable.
Wazza for me… the way he sacrificed himself on the left to compensate for such an arrogant lazy shite in Ronaldo (and wannabe Ronaldo) Nani, shows you how much Wazza puts the team before himself.
If Ronaldo is worth £80m…. then how much is Wazza’s true value…in my eyes he simply cannot be replaced.
Fabregas…doesnt know shit… so let him carry on blabbing shite…
We know what we saw last season… and we know that CR7 was not our best player… nor was he our most influential…
last seasons league was won in united own half aka the defence
My way of saying goodbye to Ronaldo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWEMBW1DRB8
Thanks for everything Ronny!
reddevileddy
love it
2 goals?
macheda won the title?
you are talking some serious bullpoopy.
the honest facts is that you would definitely not of picked up the points needed to win the last 2 titles without ronaldo, to say he wasnt a massive influence on your team is a plain fallacy.
of course no one single handily can win a title, but there were more than enough games he won with a moment of magic.
high class knob and clear winner of Douche of World award but a fantastic footballer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1193010/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Ronaldos-better-Madrid-We-didnt-deserve-him.html?ITO=1490
I think you are missing something here, He merely pointed out advantage Ronaldo brings to Manchester United. It clear even in Last month champion league Barca where lucky that Ronaldo missed all his early chances. Then Eto and company humilaited united completely. Mister before you bad mouthing media misquote you need to understand Ronaldo has been the big factor and when things goes his way like that semi final when Arsenal started so strongly but where killed off from few magic moments from Ronaldo and it hard to see who can replace him. Looking at The Champion league final showed it was end of era as far as united are concerned meaning they have achieved everything in last three years and played great football all along hats of to them. Despite being a gunner i was shocked by the final display we usually expect united to play team of the park but then again football is a funny old game, cheers
7master – Fabregas didn’t say ‘Ronaldo brought United an advantage’ he said that he won the league by himself, twice.
It’s a team effort, end of story.In my opinion,Ferdinand and Vidic have been as important as Ronaldo in the last 3 years.I don’t know if Fabregas remembers,but Arsenal made their strongest challenge for the title in the last 5 years the season after their talisman Henry left.You never know who’s lurking around waiting to take the team by the arm.
RvP – So what mate? Fat boy Samuel jumping on the Ronaldo bandwagon now he is leaving United. I am sure he will have been one of those ABU journalists slagging the lad when he had a red shirt on. Hypocritical cunt.
i don’t care. we’ll see.
think for a second. we based on Ronaldo. now we can base our play on Rooney, Berbatov. Ron scored this many goals because the team made sacrifices for him. time will tell. but again, the other team also develop and it is very hard to compare the seasons and the years.
OM
Samuel is talking shit. This season Ronaldo scored 20% of our goals in all matches and 25% of our goals in the premier league. Also he is our penalty taker and free kick taker. We have other players that can score these goals so his influence has been much less this year.
Well if you want to take his words literally so you can take a pathetic swipe at Fabregas then go ahead..
Or you could see that he is clearly saying (and rightly so) that without Ronaldo, United would not have won anything in the last 2 seasons. Ronaldo has been supreme, the best player in the world. Do you honestly think that Berbatov, Rooney, Tevez, Macheda, Wellbeck could have carried the team upfront. I don’t think so.
Pathetic attempt to damage Fabregas’s reputation – very similar to a certain twat – Phil Brown.
Thats a valid point 7master “if he had took his chances”…. more often than not Ronaldo was never the big game player…
Scott, I would like you to check sommat out for me mate… how many goals did Ronaldo score against, the Dippers, Chelski and the Gooners during his 6 years at OT??
I would like to know, as i bet he never got over 10…….. as i cant ever remember him scoring against Chelski or the dippers, and know he got a couple against Arsenal….but would like to know that stats on that… and you can even include the blue noses on that stat…
Ronaldo apart from the headed goal in the CL final as never been a big game player…
I know some with the rose tinted glasses will say im mad, but i aint im an honest united fan, as a lot of you know… and yes he was a very gifted footballer, but he also brought negatives to our team…
Everyone said we was im trouble when Ruud went, but we wasnt, in fact it improved us…and look at his goalscoring record for us…
SAF will bring in replacements… and more than likely as we did with Ronaldo we will be scratching our heads say “who the fook is this guy?”…
I aint panicking… and i dont think there is any reason for anyone else to panic…
@FailsworthDevil: In his 6 years,Ronaldo got 7 goals against the other big 3.
Personally, I couldnt care less who said what, its part of the game nowadays, but in all fairness, considering the things that have been said over the years, its a bit rich for Man U fans to complain about somebody speaking out of turn….
In my opinion, any United fan who cant admit that Ronaldo was a huge factor in recent success is in extreme denial. The amount of goals he made and scored will be sorely missed by Man U, that seems very obvious.
Be realistic. You have lost your most prolific player, and one of the best in the world. You can try to convince yourselves otherwise, but thats the truth. Rooney, Rio etc. are all good, yes. But you have lost your best player, and 1/3 of your goals. Anybody who thinks that doesnt matter is insane!
Am I wrong with this but Didnt United win something since Eric Cantona retired
Fabregas is one of the Greatest football minds playing today, I’m sure he knows more than you.
Had Ronaldo not been around I don’t believe you would have won the last two titles. You were 4 points ahead of us, and Ronaldo scored in both games between us. In addition, Ronaldo is Worth 4 points, no two ways about it.
I also believe Liverpool would be Champs now had he left last summer.
However, you did win them and well done, a very dangerous side.
COME ON THE GUNNERS
Well said Gooner, Phil Brown is a prick, as is Bryan Houghton
You was a match winner and we might be worse without him,but this club has still got goalscorers and matchwinners in it.I don’t think you can say that UNited would have won shit without him.I consider that a bit prejudiced.
The 7 Ronaldo Goals:
Against Pool: 2
Against Arsenal: 4
Against Chelsea: 1
Costas, thats not that bad a record.
Gooner Dave
We do admit he was a big factor not according to Fabregas “on his own”
This argument was last had when Thiery Henry left Arseanal.
Everyone sneered that Arsenal would win nothing without him (true).
Arsenal fans said that the team would gel together more (also true).
To suggest that Ronaldo’s loss will not significantly affect Man U is plain denial. Man U will have to respond massively to make up for his departure.
Any predictions of how well Man U achieve this are purely a reflection on that individuals hopes.
@GoonerDave:
You are right.We lost Ruud as well.And he had scored a quarter of our goals in that campaign.What happened then?Ronaldo went from 12 goals to 23 goals in a season.That’s what happens.Look what Henry’s exit did for Ade and Van Persie
to all the Arse fans
WHO THE FUCK SAID RONALDO WAS NOT AN IMPORTANT PLAYER TO US?
QUOTE ONE, SINGLE SOURCE ON HERE THAT HAS SAID RONALDO WAS USELESS TWAT FIT FOR UNITED’S BENCH?
Fabregas said that he won two prem league titles on his own! AND YOU TWATS WANT TO JUSTIFY THAT! Fucking wonderful. Please don’t let any of us here interrupt you.
No Anon it’s not.I don’t think that Ruud had much more against big clubs.By the way,the 2 goals out of the 7 were penalties.
Remove the 67? goals scored by Ronaldo in the last 2 seasons and ull find that Cesc is 110% spot on.
The thing that always makes me laugh when this whole “Ronaldo is United” conversation comes up is that no rival fan EVER contemplates the following:
1) Arsenal without Fabregas, Liverpool without Torres or Gerrard, Chelsea without Terry or Lampard.
2) If United don’t have Ronaldo, we’re not playing with 10 men. The extra man’s contribution is NEVER taken in to account.
I believe our whole team will be totally liberated next season and who ever we sign up will be part of a new era and another generation of sucess and proving everybody wrong!
By the way,Zidane said that United could become stronger with the money they got,but what does he know right?
@Big Goon: 68 goals and it’s not as simplistic as that.I say,take Rooney away fromleft wing(where he played at the end of last season) and look how much more he will score.We can’t know for sure.I was saying the same things you guys say when Henry left you.But the next season was better.
Costas – agreed that its by no means a disaster. And you are right about RVN and TH.
But Ronaldo is a huge loss to Man United, absolutely massive.
I imagine the other top 3 teams see Ronaldos departure as an advantage.
What an idiot! Everybody knows he was our most effective attacker but to say Ronaldo single handedly won the last 2 league titles is just plain stupid. What an arse, no surprise he’s the captain of arse-nal.
it’s true that he didn’t win the league by himself but really his contribution is massive. But United will do the business with or without Ronaldo, but we need to find somebody who can score from set pieces. Freekicks and penalties should be our goalsource too and I hope Rooney will do the job. And what the fuck is wrong with other clubs; putting 70 million on Ribery and 90 million for Ibrahimovic? Obviously they’re offering him to only one club. The Real galacticos policy really affected big name player’s transfer. I think we really shouldn’t get involve in this ridiculous shit, just get 4 players that valued 20 million is good or set a limit to 30 max. I really don’t want to see unknown player for 17 million who then get injured usually, sitting on the bench for the rest of the season or playing in the reserves. It’s true that we created a world class player, not buy them but still there’s a lot of money wasted there…
@costas
yeah fabregas knows better than zidane because he’s got a great football mind. Pity his mouh can’t engage with his brain.
I think a lot of MUFC fans have already said/thought about this.Ronaldo leaving us will make our attack a lot more fluid, and it will make our wing play more lethal.
Nani, i dare say, is a brilliant crosser of the ball, not exactly a Becks, but he’l do it far better than Ronnie (not that he needed to, but still). If Valencia (or Silva) turn out to be any good at supplying from the left, then Rooney will be the best striker in the country next season, Berba hot on his heels. I’m not sure if we will land Villa, but if we do, I am afraid Rooney will again find himself playing wide. I’m not sure though, would be glad to know what you guys think about that.
But either ways, we will replace the goals, no worries.
Thanks for that Costa’s mate… so that means… out of 36 games over 6 year against the “other 3″, he managed a mere 7 goals… averaging just under 1 in every 6… so thats 1 a season or there abouts..
I would like to see how many Wazza has scored against the “other 3″ over the same period… coz i reckon he has got more…
Ronaldo had a fantastic season when he got his 42 goals.. but it was a freak season…
I think what we are all forgetting here is that “Ronaldo didnt make United what they are…. United made Ronaldo what he is today”…
Here’s another view from the Arsenal camp:
http://www.setanta.com//uk/Articles/Football/2009/06/15/Premier-League-Bendtner-on-Ronaldo-departure/gnid-57030/
At the moment i don’t lean towards Fabregas or Bendtner.I am taking a wait and see approach.I wouldn’t label us as title favorites though.
FailsworthDevil: I don’t have the exact number of matches yet,but i was talking about cup games too,so around 35-36 should be right.
Bendtner has come out and said that while United will miss him,they have the players to cope.It’s all in the air at the moment.It will all depend on who we bring in and how quickly we gel.
Also, please dont forget that whenever Fab speaks in Spanish, the translation is rarely very accurate! We Arsenal fans are well used to that!
I have read differing accounts of what Fab said – one version was what you said, another was “he almost won the league on his own” which is in essence a compliment, we never truly know for sure what is actually said, unless its in English, and in video for all to see.
For what its worth, I certainly dont think Ronaldo won the league on his own, no player could! But he had more influence than anybody on your success, and will be very hard to replace.
It will be an interesting transfer window!
Everyone who is taking Fabregas’ comment literally are completely missing the point.
Clearly Fabregas is noting the huge impact of Ronaldo on Man U. If you want to take it literally just to have a swipe at him, then go ahead but it is very poor journalism.
@ Failsworth
about rooney, considering he played out of position in so many big games, im not that interested in his stats, coz seeing him in action shows how important to us he is.
take your mind back to 07-08 against liverpool at OT, he didn’t get a goal in that match, but the way he set up Brown and Nani for their goals was brilliant. I’m not sure, but was he the one who delivered the corner for Ronnie’s header as well?
Manks, you seem to forget, the greasy diver was top Man$$$ scorer for the past three seasons:
08/09 – 18
07/08 – 31 (made the ONLY difference winning the Prem & the Champs Lge)
06/07 – 17
2007/08
1 Manchester United 38 27 6 5 80 22 +58 87
2 Chelsea 38 25 10 3 65 26 +39 85
3 Arsenal 38 24 11 3 74 31 +43 83
Sir Rednose tried to pre-empt Portugreasers imminent departure by buying Berbasulk, but that kinda backfired:
08/09 Berbatov – 9
That leaves us with “wonder pikey” himself. And for all the people harping on about his great England record, Heskey and Crouch have good records as well!!!
But the final sting in the tail is going to be the departure of another player, who unlike diver boy, battled his heart out every moment he was on the pitch. But after Tevez was treated like crap, he will go to the blue side of Manchester.
08/09 Tevez – 5 (with very limited playing time)
07/08 Tevez – 14
At least you can look forward to finally enjoying a video on YouTube: Ronaldo Leaves United, in its full glory…
Anon mate, this is my point… if CR7 is worth £80m , then Wazza is worth 20x that amount in my eyes.
Oh my God, ronaldo’s gone. We’ll surely finish in the bottom half of the table. Stupid arsenal fans, i like the way they never learn. I wonder how many trophies we’ve won since ruud left.
http://goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2009/06/15/1325601/manchester-united-to-break-british-transfer-record-for-valencias-
WOOPIE!!!!!!!
Here we go take a comment out of the context it was made in, given in Spanish and make a song and dance out of it.
Why are you lot so sensitive? I don’t think Fabregas’s comment was a swipe at United and probably more a way of expressing how much he rates Ronaldo. Do you not think the Spanish presses’ line of questions would of been something along the lines of how do you think Ronaldo will benefit Real Madrid and what kind of player have United lost. As Fabregas is a footballer at the highest level I would assume he knows a lot more about the game than most of us. It clear to most people that United have many good players as well as a rock solid defence I think he would know as well as anyone that United are not a one man team.
When we sold Henry we were better the next season and came close to winning the title and I think most people will be fully aware that Manchester United will still go into next season as title favourites. Selling Ronaldo, especially at the fee they got, was one of the best bits of business United have done in years.
for all the arsenal fans
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/arsenal-players-disagree-on-ronaldo/
I agree that Fabregas’ comments might have been taken out of context.There is no Ronaldo saga this summer and the media are trying to be as sensanionalistic as possible.
Correction:Ronaldo got 9 goals against the top 3.I forgot the 2 at the Emirates.It’s 9 goals in 34 starts(he also came on as a sub a few times)
Gooner
This is a manchester united website.
We don’t see that we are going to have to right a fucking report of the sun do we?
No.
We discuss topics from rivals.
and fellow reds should take priority to comment on this website.Not some london wanker.
Completely agree with Gooner77
Scott The Red:
You are taking his quotes in their literal meaning to take a pathetic swipe at him. Poor Journalism. All he means to say is how important Ronaldo has been for Man U.
Ronaldo did give us goals, but fuck all else. He never tracked back, hardly ever crossed the ball and certainly didn’t pass. Him leaving might be a God send, Rooney and Berba can finally express themselves to me the team was so focussed around the him that it stopped some of our other players from playing their game rather than soley basing the team around Ronnie.
Nobody argue the
fact was best player in the last 3yr, he won everything but the problem that his heart was somewhere else .look at the bright side we got £80 now its time to spend good.we will miss ur free kicks and rocket shots , thanks alot ronaldo but one day u ll regret coz man united was best club 4 u.
are you lot 12 years old
listen to yourselves.you must be children.this is not adult talk.
i cant believe what im reading.fabregas ronaldo rooney.as if they give a shit about morons like us while the drive bentleys etc.you lot need to get out more shag some slags.it is a game of football.they the players no longer give a shit about us.
yes, we are children. we support the game where 22 man are fighting to possess the leather sphere
Goals win games. Without Ronaldo you Utd 70 goals short. All you have is that fat lump Rooney and that lazy motherfucker Berbatov. All I’ll say is, United better start spending some of that £80m.
MichelDU9:
And what makes you think that we give a flying fuck what you think. We are merely discussing current football issues.
Get over yourself
fabregas for barca- taken out of context to, gooners
OMG i cant believe your THAT bored to write a stupid article like this!
a) fabregas knows that ronaldo didnt win it himself ofcourse he didnt! but we all know that without ronaldo you wouldnt have won the league! like us a few years ago when thierry became our top scorer we wouldnt have won it without him! when he says he won it alone he was complimenting ronaldos ability as he couldnt before due to him playing for a rival team!!
@James
we will make the goals up;
rooney 30
berbatov 25
Van Persie 25
NO ONE PLAYER ASSISTED MORE THAN HIM WELL THATS A LOAD OF CRAP! because ARSENALS ROBIN VAN PERSIE. Getting 11 in the league and 15 overall. Get your facts straight where did you get them from that biased MUTV channel? By the way in the actual article he said pretty much single handedly where the pretty much signifies the rest of the team but single handedly refers to ronaldo’s 42 goals and 20 plus this year in a season where he was bad. Man u fans are just to upset to admit that they’ve lost the title for the next couple of seasons. Because even if they get ribery(which they won’t), david villa(which they won’t), david silva, antonio valencia and benzema none of it will amount to ronaldos contribution and YOU ALL KNOW IT!!! HENCE THE EXTRA ARROGANCE ON TOP OF THE USUAL MANURE ATTITUDES. YNWA YNWA YNWA YNWA YNWA YNWA. OLD FERGIES LOSING HIS MIND THINKING RIBERYS(6GOALS A SEASON HAHA IN A CRAPPY LEAGUE) WILL REPLACE RONALDO! AND VALENCIA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…. HA
Lol,nice one rc7
Fabregas’ logic is quite simple but you’re just refusing to see it. United won the league finishing four points clear of Liverpool. Would the season-long absence of Christiano Ronaldo have cost them those four points? Or six? Or 10?
As for comparisons to Ruud and Beckham, both were much older at the time of their departure and neither had such a great overall contribution in matches.
It will take more than one new player to fill the void he (and Carlos Tevez) have left.
I’m starting to hate NewsNow ))
But it’s so funny to see all those Gooners here preferring to discuss other clubs.
@Mike Jones
What does YNWA mean?
you’ll never whinge alone
losers
Fuck off Dipper, Valencia is not top draw pal but he is better than Pennant, Ribery scored 14 in 36 last season, as usual you rat eaters know absolutly zero about football, get a job.
Ideket – So Ruud didn’t have a great overall contribution as our highest scorer?
I would be hurt if I was ManU fan. I was thorouglyy hurt when Henry and Viera left. Ronaldo is not only excellent but has the arrogance of irritating opponents and opposite fans alike. This kind of player, whose playing stile is difficult to defend agaist creats so many set peaces, penalties while several yellow cards dished to defenders only help to weaken those defenders. Every team needs such a player- Chelsea had Roben, Arsenal had reyes (first year), etc. Moreover Ronaldo created 3/4 of the free kicks and penalties he scored.Without him man u will definetly get less free kicks and penalties.
Lastly, lets not talk about the history of Cantona and the rest because the current game has badly been monetarised with the presents of Chelsea and the likes of Real. You dont loss your best player to your oponents and imagine all will be the same. Liverpool was the most dangerous team in the EPL and you needed players like Ronnaldo and Ronny to outstage them. Lets wait for next season but i doubt that there will be a replacement for Ronaldo.
if i were fergie i’d put an 80 mill bid in for cesc just out of spite
Mike Jones – How old are you mate you dipper cunt? 12 years old. The highlight of your season is United selling Ronaldo. I would be thinking of trophies if I were you. You will be fucked when Alonso and the argie go.
The guy also blames Denilson for the fact that we conceded some goals. Rather than looking at his own crap performances, he chose to have a go at one of our only good performers this season.
Denilson made him look like a child this season.
He is starting to show that he is a bit of an idiot to be honest.
I reckon its fabregas just getting a bit of his own back for Evra’s ‘men against boys’ comment after the semi fianl and from the response its got out of you lot it seems to have done the trick!!!! To be fair I’m sure Man u will be a good team next season but is good enough to compete with real and barca and is it enough to keep ahead of the pack in england. looking at what you’ve had and what you’ve got: Ron – gone Teves – possibley gone scholes -pretty much past it giggs – pretty much past it. Do you really think Anderson, park, nani and berb are good enough to replace what you’ve lost??? And if not, even with an extra 80 million in you pocket – given the weakness of the pound and the new 50% tax rate how confidant are you that you’ll attact top top quaility to the club. as it looks like players like ribery and villa are not really interested in moving to the sunny side of manchester. Fact is cesc and any fan who supports one of the other top four teams is fully aware of the fact that your loss is our gain and if you can’t see that you’re in denial and if you want to know the truth ask the bookies. I’d love to know what the odd of Man u winning the league and the champs league where at the start of last season and what they are now!!!
I think you’re taking Fabregas’ words a little too seriously. It seems to be a throwaway expression, the kind that every single person uses every single day, it’s just that most of us don’t have our slight exaggerations sensationalised and dissected in the mainstream media. I’m sure he’s quite aware that Ronaldo didn’t win the league all on his own. Imagine if you said, “Arsenal haven’t won the league for ages.” Well, technically an “age” lasts about 1,000 years, so the press could say, “X says Arsenal haven’t won the league for at least 2,000 years.” What you don’t mention in your article is that the one player who finished abovew Berbatov in the assists chart was van Persie, which rubbishes your assertion in the article that Fabregas is a one man team for Arsenal.
For a blog supporting a team that has won prety much everything, u guys sure bother a lot bout wat other players say bout u. Why has wat any arsenal player or manager says become so important to u? I for sure dun give much attention to any of the drivel comin out of a manutd player. For such a big club with such a big fan base, u guys sure lack self-worth. Which is why we say, form is temporary (and, in futbol, can be bought by sellin urself) but class is permanent.
Ole Gunner – It’s all about winning trophies you cunt. We will continue to win trophies after players leave and that will not change with Ronaldo going. The same cannot be said of your joke of a club since that twat Vieira left, you’ve won fuck all since. With the excpetion of arsene wenger who’s constructive comments are welcome on here, there are too many Arsenal fans that are deluded cunts and insist on overlooking the facts.
^^^^Don’t know about the Champions League, but United are still favourites for the league right now, even without bringing anyone in, so the favourites part is more wishful thinking on your part. If you know anything, you’d know that its not always necessary to replace like for like, have we replace Beckham, Keane, RVN, Solskjaer or Cantona? NO, we simply adopted new tactics to suit the players, whats to say that can’t happen again? Because you failed to replace Henry and foolishly lost two really good players in Hleb and Flamini then failed to adapt, does not mean United will do the same.
Isn’t it funny, that Fabregas’s interview in Spanish is suddenly taken as lost in translation, but Evra’s interview was taken as spot on by the Arsenal fans, thereby making him disrespectful, when it was also in another language? Yeah, you have to love those farsenal tinted specs.
People here who think United fans are in denial are mistaking, non- surprise for denial. Most United fans aren’t bothered because it was to be expected, did you really think United fans with sense actually believed his “I want to stay” antics? He was always gonna leave and when it happened, United fans weren’t surprised. We’ve moved on from losses like this, so don’t start the eulogies just yet. Focus on your own clubs and their various imperfections.
It’s funny some of you guys are saying if you take Ronaldo away, you’re taking 68 goals from MU.
Go outside and play some real football on the field. I’m not saying it’s easy to score 68 goals, but to say that he’s done it all by himself is just plain idiotic.
Good player, yes! Created all those goals himself, hell no!
Truth is hard to handle…but ronaldo was d man at manchester…now hes goin to madrid to create history…manu will miss ronny big time..coz its ronaldo who replace becks on d right wing…its was ronaldo to took up ruuds goals scoring mantle…and its was ronaldo who took over from roy keane as d most hated figure in d league…NOBODY can replace ronaldo..ok..and according to reports ronaldo and kaka will make madrid 136 million euro along in shirts sale in a single year…OMG !!
and how can you compare MU with Arsenal >
Arsenal didn’t manage to move on from the Vieira and Henry era.
MU clearly moved on.
When you think Ronaldo’s departure might be a God sent i guess you’re a bit wrong.The United of the last two seasons were the best team in the world (unlike ours, i must sadly admit) i absolutely admired .But that team has peaked last year and i suppose there’s nothing to expect from them on this level anymore.you will be extremely lucky if you win your fourth consecutive title in 2010
If Ronaldo wasn’t there this season liverpool would have won the legue!! Simple as!! Do you think you would have won the league with Nani in his place??? hahahaha nah!!
Howie:
Man U have only moved and won titles because of the ridiculous amount of debt they feel Ok with accumulating. Compared with Arsenal’s self sustaining model which doesn’t spend ridiculous amounts on players (Is Berbatov twice the player of Arshavin – dont think so), Man U’s is all about next season not necessarily about the future.
So basically, this entire conversation is actually about taking a translated view literally? Thats utterly ridiculous really!
Theres no doubt in my mind that Cesc was trying to emphasise what an influential player Ronaldo is, and its perfectly natural that Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool will take great heart from the fact that United have lost their best player. Hardly rocket science.
Its either over-sensitive or poor journalism to make a headline of it, and to be honest, it shows how much Ronaldos loss must really be hurting the Man U fans, which is hardly a surprise. I can remember how I felt when TH left us.
Agree or disagree, surely we can do better than just trade insults, thats a bit petty and childish.
Exactly GoonerDave
Scott the Red has made a pathetic attempt to slate Fabregas by taking his comments literally, rather than actually looking at what he said.
@gooner
Yet more bollocks.
The future?
Anderson, Possebon, Da Silva, Da Silva, Rooney, Evans, Macheda, Welbeck, Petrucci and more. All players 23 and under.
“Ronaldo won the last two leagues on his own”
i don’t know how exactly can you misinterpret this statement.
“it shows how much Ronaldos loss must really be hurting the Man U fans”
how on earth it can hurt us if we all knew the inevitable will happen ?
See you on the other side.
Minus the powers of Ronaldo, Man Utd will not win the title next season. They will finish at best 3rd and most likely 4th. The Golden Era of 2 years has passed. They will still be a force, but Liverpoool and Arsenal will be ahead of them and Chelsea back on par with them.
It is not Man Utd’s divine right to be #1.
to RC7
next season you might try walking in the shoes we use since the Invincibles team were “disbanded”,lol,,pretty painful stuff i have to say
suck on this mank twats
http://arsenalspot.net/2009/06/this-is-why-we-will-miss-ronaldo/
“Man U have only moved and won titles because of the ridiculous amount of debt ”
It’s not our debt. just because Glazers carry the debt we should win fuck all for 4 years running ? it is their problem. if they thought they could bring the club success carrying the debt then it’s their problem.
this site spends more time worrying about Arsenal than any other club – so i guess Cesc and the boys must be doing something right
corea –
I suspect you were not aware the interview was conducted in Spanish and translated?
And Ronaldos departure was not deemed inevitable by a lot of Man U fans, in truth, nobody knew for sure what would happen.
If youre saying that losing your best player didnt hurt, well then youre either lying or in denial.
And besides, its all beside the point. To actually make a headline out of a translated comment seems a bit silly really, especially when we all know that the media are far from honest in these situations.
Instead of slating Cesc, and calling him names, look a little deeper into what hes saying – he is, in effect, paying a huge compliment to Ronaldo, yet its taken as an insult!
“You expect moronic statements from rival fans who are pissed up in the pub, like United are a one-man team. However, you don’t expect the captains of Premiership teams to think and behave in the same way”
And your lack of intelligence in deciphering Fabregas’ quote is nothing but moronic. I aggree with Gooner Dave, Fabregas assertion was to make the point that he was the most influential player in the team. Which I guess, even you guys won’t deny. But to take a player’s words, and suit them to your own liking, so that you could come up with an article during the slow summer is a bit sleezy for my liking, No?
@gman
Are you a tard?
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/ive-been-saving-this-one/
Ateed – I haven’t given any interpretation to Fabregas’ words, I’ve simply quoted him. If Wayne Rooney said “Fabregas is the only reason why Arsenal have finished in the top four for the past two years” would you take that literally and think he was a twat or would you try and look for another meaning?
GoonerDave
i was hurt when he spoiled the summer after we won the league and the champions league. i was hurt because of his petulance and conduct on the field of play. yes, i was hurt.
sometimes peace of mind is more important to some of us.
Why not take it too literally and come up with an article stating that Manu doesn’t need 11 players on the pitch, but rather 1 i.e Ronaldo, to win the league? Now that would really serve your agenda eh? You didn’t notice the compliment Cesc was trying to pay to Ronaldo with that comment? Offcourse not. That wouldn’t be good for your blog, it’s only good when you can pit opposition fans against each other.
“I haven’t given any interpretation to Fabregas’ words, I’ve simply quoted him”
Hahaha. And after quoting him your analysis was based on your interpretation. Get real.
Someone give us the direct link to his interview in spanish.
Scott the Red:
Evidently your article has interpreted Fabregas’ words to be an insult to Man United which it isn’t. He is paying a huge compliment to Ronaldo (which some Man U supporters should try – he is the reason you have been such a great team) and noting the impact it will have on Man U’s season.
By saying ‘Oh do fuck offf Fabregas’ surely you must be interpreting his words in someway?
Have people forgot Ronaldo also plays for portugal and how well is he playing for them, one man team my ar**… not missed forgotten…
Gooner – it’s not an interpretation. Fabregas said “Ronaldo won the last two league titles on his own.” I’m not interpreting that as anything. I’m reading what he’s saying. I think he’s a twat for saying it and I think it’s insulting. For you to say Fabregas didn’t ACTUALLY mean what he said, that is you interpreting it.
Scott the Red,
Than you’re a Tw*t to base your whole article without interpreting someone’s comment. You’re as thick as one can be, and to actually come up with articles, without the basic skills of interpretation and analysis, is something all should question when going through this blog. “Im reading what he’s saying”? hahaha. You just wanna make your point, regardless of the intent of the player. And you’re calling Gooner a twat? Come on now, we’ll forgive you for your lack of intelligence if you admit that you’re wrong with the way you structured this article.
Let me put out an analogy for you, albei,t a not too thought out one.
A player winning the CL, claims ” I am the superman”. And you actually believe in it, because you don’t want to give your brain some exercise, and know the intent/interpretation of that comment.
P.S The player is suggesting he feels really good after winning the CL. Perhaps, he feels on top of the world. OOps. You’re going to believe he is actually on top of the world, literally, aren’t you? That isn’t possible now or is it?
@ateeb
is that in spanish? just so we understand what you mean.
Does any Arsenal fan want to translate Evra’s men against babies comments for us too? It wasn’t in English, maybe he meant something else?
@Ukranian gooner: United has peaked? Oh, boy this is a new one, good Lord some people are really stupid. Did you type that in Russian and get it translated in English? Maybe you meant something else, not even an Arsenal fan is stupid enough to believe that.
@mangetout: that’d maybe be because there seem to be an Arsenal player saying more about United than any club? Its really not that hard to grasp.
@Ateeb: too sleazy? No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it, its SCOTT’s blog and a public online newspaper, I think he can pretty much write whatever he wants.
@Gooner: its always the future with you guys isn’t it?
Sorry I meant *not a public online newspaper.
utd have won enough titles to know that it is a team game but when the title is close its the class players like ronaldo henry and cantona that without you woldnt get the extra vital points,
ronaldo leaving could be great for rooney, as he seems to be in his shadow,
but if he has a injury proned season who would be the match winner,
obviously fergie will buy, but you cant guarantee they will settle straight in,
the clean sheets..
alot off that was down to utds fear factor, which ronaldo played a big part in, teams were scared to attack utd,,
fuck it who cares manchester wank wank wank hows ur debts looking cockheads,
Wherever you got these quotes from they’ve been translated from Spanish, so he was probably simply paying Ronaldo a compliment. I know you love bashing Arsenal and these articles get lots of hits but you might want to construct a proper argument before you fly off on one.
@OTRed
your intelligence seems to have peaked in that post,mate,if that’s all your so called “brain” can deliver,you rat -infested town tw#t,than i do understand most london people when they say who you are.same stuff in Ukraine- the strongest club is sutuated in a f###ed town and supported by low class hillbillies that can not properly speak and spell their mother tongue.if you don’t happen to be a mank then you must be living in another sh#thole
@ukrainian
lol, its manc not mank, at least insult us correctly. I don’t care how you spell anything else because my english isn’t too hot.
Its an awful pity your original headline and article were not worded differently. Because Cescs words could have actually sparked a decent, mature debate on life after Ronaldo. My opinion is that nobodys bigger than a team, but its hard to replace a player as talented as him.
Like I said, if your headline hadnt labelled Cesc clueless, and your entire article hadnt been based on one phrase/comment, then you could really have shown your blogging/journalistic skills, instead of typing a sensationalist headline and article designed to simply generate hits, and spark fighting instead of discussion.
I bet most people here would prefer a decent debate to simply insulting each other and going off topic.
Regardless of what Cesc said, how he said it, or how it was translated, the question should have been “Is Cesc right that Ronaldo will leave a huge void in Uniteds team?”
Nobody could argue with that, and it would have been a decent talking-point, rather than some of the childishness we have seen instead.
@GoonerDave
Completely agree with you mate.
The headline should have read;
Clueless Arsenal FANS reckon Ronaldo Won Titles by Himself
United fans don’t want a debate. They just want to spend all day writing articles about how other people’s opinions are invalid because they disagree with their own.
Fuck off Arsenal fans you moronic bunch of cunts. You have nothing on United, that is why you keep talking about our debt and get giddy when we sell on one of our top players – that is already the highlight of your forthcoming season. Let’s face it, you have nothing else to look forward too.
Just proving my point lads, almost every reply has been immature and moronic.
It makes me even more glad Im an Arsenal fan. At least we can treat rival fans with a bit of manners! It seems to be beyond most of you to actually make a valid point without being silly and childish. Shame really.
Cue more childish responses….
@GoonerDave
“Cue more childish responses”
fuck off southern, fucking jessie
You only proved his point…
rc7 – Point proved. You are acting like a child.
At no point have I told anyone to fuck off or anything like that, you are incapable of debating a subject in a rational, mature way. All you have succeeded in doing is proving my point.
I wonder what age some of you are. I dont mean chronologically, I mean mentally.
Im off to speak with some grown up people now, people who are capable of making a point rather than saying fuck off when they cant think of anything decent to say.
You lot should really be ashamed of yourselves, you really let the side down. Im sure there are mature United fans reading this who must be cringing at your pathetic responses.
Cheerio.
Do you mean to discuss amongst your mature friends(playing Championship Manager) how you are going to win the Premier League? How man Utd are going to fold with their debt? how your debt is built on a sustainable model?
Or maybe “Next year” Fuckin’ southern scousers.
It’s simple. They are comparing us to their team. They are comparing us losing Ronaldo to them losing Henry. I dont want to comment anything on this. I just feel pity for them.
And like Scott said, we will move on. If there is no Ronaldo, somebody else WILL step up. (This paragraph is meant for MU, not for a certain club from London ).
Lastly, a cheat and a diver he is. But he is the World Player of the Year (TM). His name is Cristiano Ronaldo, not Thierry Henry. For as big a cheat, diver, and arrogant brat Ronaldo is, Henry is bigger. Only WPOTY sets them apart.
Gooner Dave – you clearly haven’t seen the masses of Arsenal supporting cunts who traipse over to this blog from time to time. “I’m glad to be an Arsenal fan because we treat rival fans with manners.” Ha ha. Oh christ, I suppose you really believe that shit and all? That Arsenal fans “have manners” unlike us uncultured nothern monkeys?
Out of curiosity, do any of the United fans responding here spend hours on Arsenal blogs purposefully winding up Arsenal fans? No? “I’m so glad to be a United fan because we don’t bother obsessing on other teams’ blogs”
Scott, we don’t because we dont have to lol. Please understand them hahahah.
I am so glad to be a United fan, and to be able to come to blogs like yours Scott.
We’re not all trying to wind you up. Some of us are trying to have a decent discussion, and to be honest we’re only here because twice today you have written articles about Arsenal, one of them calling Fabregas clueless.
Twice I have written articles about a United player, who two Arsenal players have spoken about. If Arsenal players weren’t speaking about one of ours, I wouldn’t be speaking about them.
But of course I’m going to call Fabregas clueless if he’s going to say Ronaldo won us two titles by himself. It’s the kindof thing some teenage prick on BBC 606 would say!
I don’t know exactly what Fabregas said, as it was translated. If he said what the sensationalist media reported, then fair enough, thats naive on Cesc’s part. I prefer animosity between us though, it always seems as if something’s not right when we’re in common hatred of something.
@rc7 no I’m not, why ? were you looking for a date ?
@jonny
a bit of old fashioned banter is good. But can you please get Wenger to sign up some ape like Keown, I miss the old battles!
These modern footballers don’t understand that passion, and never will. I think that hatred lessened a lot when van Nistelrooy, Vieira, Keown, Keane, Ljungberg etc moved on. Players who have fire in their bellies like Rooney, Fabregas and Vidic give me hope. I think the old battles ended when we left the more gritty atmosphere of Highbury, the Emirates is so clean and organised it seems to reflect on the pitch!
@gman you said June 15th, 2009 @14:58
You said: suck on this mank twats
http://arsenalspot.net/2009/06/this-is-why-we-will-miss-ronaldo/
I replied on; June 15th, 2009 @14:58
@gman
Are you a tard?
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/ive-been-saving-this-one/
too late by about 6 hours but you are getting better. Your last comment was nearly 4 days behind. If you keep on improving I might consider asking you for a date.
The interview was with The Daily Star. Would he not speak in English to them?
I heard it was for El Mundo Deportivo. These quotes came from an interview conducted in S.Africa. Most of the journalists down there are Spanish covering the Confederations Cup, which Cesc is playing in.
Dear rc7 my sincere apologies on my ……..timing re ronaldo baby rattling i feel like such a fool, i however was merely forwarding my opinion on your ridiculous debate, re my next response and its 6 hour delay ?? i do not spend my day reading/laughing at manu re blogs . ronaldo is a diseased gypsy who is extremely overrated, an opinion most mancs will soon accept. you do however play the 2nd best football on offer in the epl that said at serious cost anderson 17 million nani 15, carrick 18( we turned him down at 2.5 million 1 year before), hargreeves 19 berbtoss 30 odd ,fairlybland 30 mill potatohead 30 mill,tevez 5 millish and thats only renting him ? most managers would succeed with such a spend but none could do what wenger does on his budget ! now where are we going on that date ?
@gman
Old Trafford, first game of the season. You’ll be able to watch proper, grown up football not some youth game.
Scott the Red:
You are the clueless one.
Clearly all Fabregas is saying is that Ronaldo is vital to Man U and has been for the last two years. Gooners aren’t coming here to wind up Man U fans (most of the insults have been initally by Man U fans) but rather to show you that your interpretation is wrong. Most of the fans seem willing to have decent conversation about the effect of Ronaldo’s departure but you have turned it into having a pathetic swipe at Fabregas.
Gooner – You are not Cesc Fabregas. You can’t possibly expect to be taken seriously when coming on here and telling us what Fabregas really meant. How the fuck do you know?
Fabregas said Ronaldo won the last two titles by himself, so I will take a swipe at him. If he said ‘Ronaldo is vital to United and has been for the last two years’ I would agree with him. But he didn’t say that and I’m not sure why on earth you believe you know what Fabregas meant.
When Fabregas said that his future for now was with Arsenal, did he really mean that he was leaving this summer? Tell me, oh wise one, what did he really mean, because clearly Fabregas must speak in riddles.
Arsenal play youth, unidirectional boring football without any variety.
Take that!
Secon best football? Give me a break!