All summer RoM have been giving away old shirts in a bid to encourage fans not to go out and buy the latest strip. If you’re undecided or not sure, read the thinking behind this.
With the green and gold campaign proving to be hugely popular last season and generating a huge amount of media interest, it has been suggested that for our upcoming game against Liverpool, all fans should shun the latest shirt and instead wear an old one, which dates to pre-Glazer. If you don’t have any old shirts or are considerably taller/fatter than you were pre-2005, you can pick up old shirts on eBay easily enough.
RoM will continue giving away old shirts as prizes and today are launching the latest competition. When United play Liverpool, whether you’re going to the game, you’re watching it in the local or somewhere else with your mates, take a picture of you in your old shirts and send it to: republik_of_mancunia_competition@hotmail.co.uk
The most inventive/amusing/interesting picture will earn you a shirt. Not just any shirt, but a 1999 Treble winning season shirt. If we get lots of good pictures, then we will provide more shirts for 2nd and 3rd placed pictures.
So, get your thinking caps on!
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There doesn’t seem to be a massive presence g&g at games so far this season but a massive showing of new shirts!!!
Ah, I was yoo young back then, and I didn’t have cable so I didn’t even watch european football… In fact I feel in love with it in 2004 watching united, and in 05 I got my first shirt (wich was stolen), so I’ll have to pass up on this one. But I’m looking forward to the pics.
sure will
i have a vodafone no.10 ruuuuuuuud’s
what was wrong with keeping the green and gold going
i taught it was grren and gold till they die or fold
not green and gold till may
if something was working and making an impact why not build on it instead of trying something compleatly different
GHTT, it’s not like they can’t have the Green and Gold AND the old shirts! I thinks it’s a fine idea.
By the way, who won the Cantona shirt, Scott? That was the most formidable shirt of all times imo.
im not hating the idea – ive just noticed less and less green and gold as the matches pass by- i hear less luhg chants – its like the world cup just whiped the grreat work done the season before
Green and gold is dead, anyone seen wearing it should be told they are an embarrassment.
United us red, white and black.
The old shirts won’t take off and the Glazers would rather see people on an old shirt, than dressing like a Norwich fan.
The Glazers make no money from shirt sales anyway, the only one making money is Nike.
Tiny tears, could it be that most fans really know it wont make a difference,last year those twats the red knights where making noises about buying the club but that turned out to be bollocks, it gave the fans hope, then they made some mealy mouthed statement about not overpaying or what they really meant, we never had the money! Cos lets face it everyone has thier price, even the gimps and the red knights who are capitalist captains understand this.
Im not saying don’t protest in whatever way you see fit, I just don’t think it will have the same momentum.
Sorry Scott
But this is just another silly idea. Yeah I would prefer it if the the fans wore an Old Kit instead of the new one but has someone has already said there are 1000s of new shirts at every game therefore the damage is already done.
The only way to Oust these vermin is Starve them out and to do that we need an empty Old Trafford.
The Glazer’s are shrewd businessmen and Im sorry but we can call them all the names under the sun wear what we like and do what we like. But as long as there are butts on those seats they are not going anywhere!
The only way to do that (get them out) is with positive action the question is can the Fans be United in getting them out?
Sorry Ady, you’ve as much chance of getting an empty OT as Scott and others have persuading people not to buy new shirts.
Talk sport??? anyone listening to it
collymore called Giggs a cheat
anyone know why he said it
Cos he’s a Twat of the higher order!
I had talk sport on straight after the game as I was travelling back and he was going on bout Giggsy going down for the pen too easily! I was behind the goal and it was a blatant pen! So in think he’s just being controversial… However if he’s still on about it today as well then he truly is just a wife beating c”"t!
GHTT and Linvoy – I missed that lads, turned off at 9pm. Collymores just a jealous bastard, never hear him about Torres going down easily in the box, or the thug.
I heard that too, I think he really does have a problem with us. From my seat it looked a pen but when I heard him going on I thought, well Ive only it seen it once but on MOTD it was clear he was being pulled arm to arm then the defender swung a leg and missed the ball, none of it dangerous play but surely a free kick anywhere else on the pitch so therefore if tis the penalty area its a pen. He kept going on about how we would feel if Torres did the same thing, well we’d all call him a cheating tw*t but in reality we would also accept the truth of it.
I’ve got my new shirt with Scholesy on the back. No way I’m not wearing it to the Liverpool game! Wearing gren and gold just plays into the hands of all those who want to unsettle us and the away fans love (USA ..USA etc.) As for the dippers, I think it just says “we’re in the same camp as you”!
GHTT – you beat me to it LOL.
willierednut – I refuse to listen to that channel anymore its a piece of shit, and it is full of hacks.
wow talk about throwing stones at glass houses he calls giggs a cheat. WOW the thought of collymore having a tempa tantrum because he thought someone cheated is just to stupid to laugh at, it is true being a football pundit and expert is has thick and easy has putting the light switch on its that easy.
it makes us all wonder piers morgan and stan collymore are getting paid to give the sporting viewing public their advice on football LOL. we could all become football experts act so stupid with your comments and you will be the big cheese
I hope no one is upset about Collymore’s comment. Come to think about it, I would have been disappointed if a sexual pervert(United Rant’s words
) was complimentary about any of our players.
As for the topic, I agree with GHTT. I prefered the emphasis on G&G.
He’s still raging about Sir Alex signing Cole, instead of him, that’s what it all stems from. John Lennon said it best, just a jealous guy Collymore.
Actually United rant wrote it “wife-beating sexual pervert”.
He did a similar thing the other year when Beckham came on at Wembley to rapturous applaus he went off on a rant about he was fed up about becks, posh, sarongs tattoos haircuts etc and how we should all get over beckham now if he had said in his opinion he was crap footballer and give his reasons that would be ok as he would be entitled to his opinion. I really think he is slightly bitter in that he probably sees himself as better player than either but circumstances prevented him from showing the country just how good he was, wither that or hes a cock
i know a dave mack, only he’s never worn a repilca shirt so im guessing you arent the same chap
The comments about Becks were out of order, i think he pissed Brucie off that time. Indeed Brucie phoned Talksport and called him a clown, or something like that lol.
collymore is just pissed off cause his tv is broke.ulrika johnson came on big brother and he put his fist through the screen
is that right about Brucie? would love to find a recording of that. What Collymore should have concentrated on was how the fuck could beckham be percieved as being able to improve the england team and the sad fact is he still can which tells you all you need to know about how poor they are, any back to UTD. What I don’t get about Collymore was how vitriolic he was towards giggs and goading UTD fans about how we would react if Torres did the same thing, now the point here is why cant he just try to be objective, I would love to know if he reacts like that to other similar incidents
It’s amazing how easy it is for Chelsea players to skip their international duty. After Terry and Lampard, it was Drogba’s turn. He retired from the Ivory Coast….for now. Their manager’s words, not mine.
GHTT
Please do not ask why but for the first time I had to listen to talksport for the United match
All realms of other media were unavailable since 5 live fucking idiots were not doing the match but stupid phone in – and I was in the car
Collymore was a fucking jack ass in the car – he absolutely called Giggs a cheat and a diver
I have so many things to say that I will do something I don’t do here
Restrain myself
To stan the Liverpool man collymore – Ulrika Johnson basher – woman abuser – fucked up footballer
Ryan Giggs 11 premierships
stan collymore fuck all – nothing zilch nada
You boy are not even fit to wipe Ryan Giggs boots fuck everything else –
Now I understand why King Eric hates the fuckers over there
I shall not listen to talksport again since I shall never put myself in that situation ever again
In other news, the FSW started the season with a 0-0 draw away from home. His destructive work is well underway.
Costas
Agent Benitez is up and running
The King is dead (at liverpool) Long live the King (at Inter)
: )
Sir Alex is close to knocking them off their fucking perch – with hodgson now in control of Liverpool – they will be run into the ground till it’s over for them and mid-table is where they will languish…
I wish I was a fly at RAWK – they must be going apeshit : )
15 minutes that shook the world? Did it fuck
GHTT. You do my head in lad. Have a little think about why there are fewer green and gold and LUHG chants this season. Perhaps it’s because the ones that cared to take part last season have left the club and not renewed. You talk such shite sometimes, use your head.
Cleverley off to Wigan season long. Strange for a player not going on loan this season.
To borrow a phrase from MG, who’s this Rawk? Never heard of them. ROM > Rawk
Sorry Red Phil, that is only your opinion and while I would suggest you have point it is only a small one. My own opinion is that most people where supporting G&G on a wave of optimism brought on by the wankers that where the red knights and are now resigned to the reality that the Glazers are here until a time of thier choosing. It doesn’t mean they like them any less. In truth protests of this nature have little effect, others on different froums had suggested more direct action and Im not talking about boycotting games or merchandise. I was here before the gimps and ill be here after whatever state the club may be in.
Red Phil
Come on
You would in effect be saying that the majority of the United fans have been replaced by a majority of United fans
Highly unlikely after all it is a 76000 seater stadium of which most of the seats are occupied by us of which most fans were following the movement
More like MUST should have known better to have kept other parties interested or at least they should have been in touch with – and the red knights were a joke
Di who comes along on here first said that it would take a 2 billion offer to get rid of them – why did the Knights go to that much trouble and then just say that they could not be bothered to make an offer?
They had the balls to start something but not finish it
We don’t need fucking owners like that – we already have such owners at United – we want owner’s that will love and protect this club – not fucking make headlines out of it
Pardon the anger
i have the old black sharp veiwcam one,the blue and white away kit from 96(i think)the theatre of dreams home shirt,european 99 shirt,1st vodafone one.i did have the old yellow and green one but i lost it when i split up with the ex (im sure she burned it as it was my favourite).
willierednut
borrow borrow borrow : )
Wigan is a good move for Cleverly, lets face it he’ll get a game, though I would have thought with the Hargreaves situation he may have stayed. Is SAF quoted as saying he wont go on loan? I would sooner he get PL game time than play reserve football for most of the season.
I think Sir Alex should sign
Usain Bolt
lol : )
Big fan to boot to – imagine with his pace he’d be bloody frightening if he was a footballer (as long as he never had dreams though : )
Well said Big phil, i have the same sentiments from some of my mates i talk to on different meduims they have given up there St’s.
I know what will get the stupid idiots to see sense a period without Champions league football.
This is a long road only beginning but any United supporter not seeing the damage they are doing in my view is as thick as shit in the neck of a bottle.
Any one who thinks 60 million pounds+ withdrawn from the club is good clearly is a fool.
red devil
can i ask for a link with that cleverley story mate – i was talkin to tom about an hour ago but the fella wouldnt answer me if he was going i was just told to “keep my eyes open till 6 tomorrow”
mg
we signed him and loaned him to sunderland
I think he should sign stan collymore, he can sort the dressing room cheats out
@mattbw7
I think there is. It was a few weeks ago when Fergie said that Cleverley would stay because he can score goals and we need that type of midfielder.
@MG
I wonder if they still trust in Rafa. You know that their current predicament has a lot to do with the FSW and how he left them at a worse state than the one they were in when he took over.
RedScot
Come on mate
We know it’s a shit situation
We know money is fucking going out of the club like tap water
But I don’t agree with you on this one
Manchester United as a club will save Manchester United because of what it is because of it’s appeal because of it’s approach
Don’t lose sight of the power of the club all be it that at the same time it has to help those leeches out.
More importantly believe in what we have – this club is the biggest for a reason
Not for the Glazer’s but because enough of us out here in the real world make it what it is.
Look at it this way rather than for it to be in doomsday mode before something happens.
I am not saying to support everything to make the Glazer’s money. I am saying just do the right thing to keep the club going in order for the Glazer’s to make it that big that they can sell it on have their profit and walk out giving it to someone who will care for it the way we want.
red scott.phil, Sorry but i will not give up my ST ever, whatever status utd are in. Like ive said befroe I was here before the gimps and ill be here after. Does that mean I think the profits of the club going on interest payment is a good thing of course not. Keep the Red Flag Flying.
GHTT
Oh yes we did lol : )
Costas
Liverpool are stuck in a fucking time warp – who cares anymore – one more to beat them and that will be our beginning to keep them forever in history
: )
Ta Costas, to be fair think it would be best if he went on loan as long as we could call him back, I much prefer he was getting regular PL experience
last comment for tonight, any legs in the 10mill plus carrick for rodwell?
@mattbw7
Me too. At the moment, we are covered in midfield, even without Cleverley. Fletcher, Anderson, Scholes, Carrick and Gibson should be enough. I am just not that crazy about the club he joined. They roll over too often and they won’t be a good influence on him, lol. I think Newcastle were a better option.
@MG
Exactly. When they lost to Chelsea last season among a library like atmosphere from the best fans in England(TM), they just delayed the inevitable.
I am not argueing with you on this one, you can go on your rally calls till the Fucking Cows come home.
You are missing the fucking total point come on boys its not rocket science.
They dont care for Manchester United you lads do, they care for the fucking Dollar and increasing there wealth.
As I have said and will repeat. I dont want this to happen but believe it will a failure to get to the Quarters of the Champions league. You will see the purse strings tightened and curtailed more than now.
Let me give you a wee FACT. Net spend since the Glazer arrival approx 6Million pounds .Shove that in your We will will always be United. Well we fucking aint.
Glazer promise on taking on the Club we will always give the manager 25 million pounds per season, what a fucking joke that is.
Red Scot I fully accept and expect UTD to go bust at some point, but im staying put cos im a belligerent bastard and I love the club
@ Mattbw7 Nobody wants to see this mate. Starve the bastards out to make them want to leave and listen to serious offers.
We all love the Club its our lives i believe.
But they aint doing United any good. which is a stoopit thing to say but obvious.
Dont buy fuck all at Old Trafford. Zilch Zero Nuffin. Other than your ticket. Show them we are serious.
RedScot
I will not argue with you either
But when I rally i do so because of a common cause because we all support the same team – I do not do so because of any other reason and to suggest so is totally wrong.
When you say you lads support United – so do you – and I am not for one moment dismissing your points because they are heartfelt and genuine
But United have to carry on being United – Manchester United will always do it it’s way
The importance of youth is not a new thing in our club
We have four players in their prime who came from that youth system
Wes Gary Paul Ryan
So to go back to it is just a part of it’s fabric
Signing Ronaldo Rooney was exactly the same point
Chicharito Smalling Bebe are from the same thinking
I understand that United haven’t spent big but I guess as you would too that Sir Alex does have it under control
If he didn’t – if he didn’t have that hunger or desire then we would have been fucked by now
All I am saying is believe in the power of your club. It is where it is for a reason and it will not be broken because of the leeches who own it.
If you believe that United have to be in the shit big time – then all you are doing is giving the non believers hope and fuel to the fire that we are finished
This club will never die – the club itself is a testament to that – it is the point that I am making.
No rallying cry – just the truth
United will not go bust
United will not bow to any pressure
The Glazers will make their money and then walk
They do not give a shit about us or the club but themselves
But they are not the only ones RedScot – Edwards sold it on – Government fucked us with no rules in place for a debt takeover – they are all to blame before we get to the Glazer’s
They are all in it for themselves to make as much as possible.
The Red nights are no better – they intended to keep the Bonds and said nothing on how to deal with the PIKS
We just want owners who can make their money but can make United bigger still
@MG hear hear and this has all happened despite them. I will tell you why and cut to the chase.Sir Alex nobody but nobody could have navigated so successfully through this shit as he has done.He aint gonna be around for ever mate.
I just want and know right from wrong.
They are wrong. I aint gonna draw up facts and figures its so difficult to debate and discuss this on a blog but i know them fully.
I never wish harm on United thats insanity to think that, but i do seriously feel they need to be shown in no uncertain terms through loss of finance we dont want them at United.
I am done with this tonight.
Believe .
Mind now lads wear your old kits for the Liverfail games or copies.No Nike ticks please.
Glory Glory Man united and the Reds go marching on.
RedScot
They are wrong
And yes Sir Alex won’t be here forever
But I bet that the next manager in place will be there with Sir Alex’s blessing
I don’t want the Glazer’s at United – but I think 2017 will tell how much they make out of the bonds and pay off what and the state United are in and how much they can get if they sell on.
For no one RedScot
Only for United
@ Red Scott Have a read of Sky Sports article :”Platini-Rules to end anarchy”‘ .Someone there is going on that interest on debt will be taken into account when considering a clubs profitabilty under the UEFA financial fair play rules.
what if you didnt become a fan till after the glazer era had already begin (didnt watch footy till i got a manc m8 several years back) and its difficult to get non glazer era jerseys in a 2xl/3xl size without paying out the ass on ebay, for a use and poor condition one :/
how do i have the chance to win one so i can rub it in the glazers face
I have 5 old shirts of this great club
But I am in not in UK these days, am in India so can’t come unforunately
Off-Topic – Tom is going out on loan. Does that indicate that we might make an attempt to sign anyone? Is there any rumour going around?
Quick question, is there any way that I can order Green and Gold scarfs and stuff like that and who would ship it to Bosnia?
I love the idea of fans wearing old shirts! It’s a great way of showing off their long term support/loyalty.
If people have made the choice to renew (me included) then the g and g is folly. Lining the Glazers pockets in one hand then with the other waving g and g just seems daft.
@King Eric
its not Newcastle here if there fans dont go there stadium is empty
if united fans dont go- someone else will take that seat and the stadium will be full- I can never see united fans staying away- hardcore to glory hunters- but the green and gold was a visual thing for the world to see – i cant see over 70,000 fans ewaring Different United JErseys is going to have the same impact-
Manchester United is too big with too big of a fanbase to do anything but start fires of create a visual impact- since we put 7 past barnsley i have never wore an up to date united jersey to old trafford
2 oclock and sir alex still hasnt kidnapped anyone
@GHTT
Has anyone seen Rodwell recently?
For anyone wondering, here’s the schedule of our international players, courtesy of manutd.com:
Rooney, Carrick – England
Bulgaria (H) 3 Sep
Switzerland (A) 7 Sep
Park – South Korea
Iran (H) 7 Sep
Hernandez, Valencia
Mexico v Ecuador 5 Sep
Vidic – Serbia
Faroe Islands (A) 3 Sep
Slovenia (H) 7 Sep
Nani – Portugal
Cyprus (H) 3 Sep
Norway (A) 7 Sep
Gibson, O’Shea – Republic of Ireland
Armenia (A) 3 Sep
Andorra (H) 7 Sep
J Evans, C Evans – Northern Ireland
Slovenia (A) 3 Sep
Fletcher – Scotland
Lithuania (A) 3 Sep
Liechtenstein (H) 7 Sep
The good news is that Valencia and Evans will be back at Carrington quicker than I expected. Plus, O’Shea, Gibson and Fletcher’s 2nd games seem pretty easy. We should be able to line up a pretty formidable first XI at Goodison.
@RedScot
Your 6mill net transfer figure. Thats including the obscene Ronaldo fee we received right
Just that the Net Spends are as follows
2005/2006 = 1mill (This is due to receiving 12mill for Obi Mikel)
2006/2007 = 4mill
2007/2008 = 26.5mill
2008/2009 = 33mill
2009/2010 = – 64mill (or + 16mill if we ignore Ronaldo)
2010/2011 = 10mill
And they said they would allow 25mill to be spent each season, they never said they wouldn’t try and maximise how much is recouped by selling players who are deemed to be surplus to requirements for as much as they can get. The Average amount spent is over 30mill a season sp well above the 20-25mill they stated would be available
Its smart to recoup as much as possible rather than putting the club in the red just for the sake of it.
And also on the Quater final thing. As I have pointed out more than once this was their INITIAL business plan. Business plans will always play on the safe side AND since then they have revelotionised the commercial side of the club. The prize money and gate receipts are great and helpful but they are less important than they were when the takeover happened. They not only have a cash reserve to fall back on thats significant BUT the income elsewhere is important. I will also point out that QF doesn’t mean more money, we mad the 2nd most money last season out of the CL with only Inter getting more. We actually made more than we did when we won it or when we lost in the final
@ghtt your right mate people will always take the seats i was talking to my nephew in grimsby a mate of his has never even been to one game and has now bought a season ticket because of availabiltiy and theres thousnands of fans all over england just waiting for that chance.
@lol at wakey still battling redscot i see,i think the g&g is very noble but somewhat self invovled with no real game plan as far as i can see except try and get the glaziers to sell for cheap to someone else i’m assuming the red knights who want to pay less than a bill and would still need financing so good luck with that one, just causing shit with no end plan to me is no plan at all to become credible the movement needs organisation and a true backer and it seems to have neither
Messi spotted at Manchester airport.
@willierednut yeah i heard he was on the same plane as ronaldo
Patos been spotted doing cart wheels down a street in Salford.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_6350528,00.html
Cleverley confirmed to Wigan.
Macheda to Burnley on loan?
Rumours are circulating…
i’ve thought long and hard about the glaziers and the g&g movement,my main problem is the movement seems to be based on utd failure which as a lifelong utd fan i cannot accept and to just want to get rid of the glaziers without knowing who the new owner would be and how much money he’d have again doesn’t make alot of sense.i know must are behind the red knights because they’ve been promised a say in how the club would be run if the deal went through but really how cerdible are the red knights and can they be trusted i just think the whole thing is flawed and not good for the club
willie- Haha.
Cleverley on SEASON-LONG loan to Wigan, Sky Sports have confirmed.
Moscow is my heaven – also heard. rushed to RoM immediately. that ain’t right! but who i am to judge the gaffer.
Great news the dippers are signing Cole.
@willierednut
Andy? They are getting a great striker then.
Costas – hi buddy, what do you think of Cleverly loan to Wigan ?
Costas – Super Carlton lol. Have to say, this has been one of the quietest transfer windows ever. No money around, apart from the blue half of Manchester.
Pissed off about Cleverly, was hoping he’d get games here.
@Corea
Beat you to it then
I think we should just trust Fergie on this one.
Carlton Cole to Liverpool. Hmm, don’t know where he’ll fit in their starting XI, the dippers don’t like playing two up front, he’ll have to wait for Ladyboy to get injured… on second thought that’s not such a bad thing for him!!
@willierednut
You would have been more pleased, had Bayern accepted Liverpool’s bid for Mario Gomez yesterday.
Sad Tom is off to wigan, was really hoping he’d crack it here with us this season. At least he’ll get a lot of playing time and martinez likes to play “good football” so i guess it’ll do him some good, just hope they get their act together at the JJB and dont turn the side into relegation candidates, that could mess with Toms head. i hope they put up more of a fight this season.
Gutted about Cleverly, I thought this would be his year but with Scholes playing so well it does limit his chances. I would rather Gibson go out on loan and keep Cleverly.
@Corea
Hi mate. I have no problem with it seeing as he probably wouldn’t have got plenty of games this season. I just don’t like the team he joined. They have a crappy mentality.
@willierednut
That’s why they probably came up with the Carrick-Rodwell rumors. Truly no money around…
The dippers also bought Konchesky. Buying from the top shelf hey?
Carlton Cole and N’Gog: Yorke and Cole, version 2!
Costas – he is under 21, he has been at the club for 3 years. what’s the deal ? we aren’t really rich with the number of midfielders.
Moscow is my heaven – yeah) we have no other choice)
Well, the Liverpoo fans are raging about the signing of Cole, fairly underwhelmed I’d say with the signings of Cole and Konchesky. Strange one about Cleverley, i thought the boss said he was going no where.
@Corea
At the moment we have Carrick, Gibson, Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher and Anderson and they are ahead of Clev in the pecking order. The only way I could see him playing in anything other than Carling Cup matches was for us to have a big injury crisis there. It’s ok. At 21 he is still quite young, but he needs to play regular football. Hopefully next year he will be knocking on the first team’s door. The real problem is that he has gone for a team that rolls over more often that I roll over in my sleep…
The other weird thing in regards to the dippers is that their academy isn’t producing anything noteworthy. They have sold 3 of their talents to Greek clubs in the last 12 months. Says it all really.
cleverley off to wigan..bit disappointed on hearing this but I wont question SAF..he knows what he’s doing..I’m sure he’ll get a lot of playing time and I hope he scores a couple of goals..all the best to him..
What time does SAF have to have the 25 man squad finalised?
Can’t believe cleverley went at the last minute!!!! Fuck!!!! Maybe fergie has something up his sleave…u never know..defour ferfie sign him up.
Costas – we’ll see. Carrick anonymous last season, Gibson raw, Giggs you know, Scholesy legend at 35, Fletch massive, Ando who knows. Yes, we’ll see.
Shame for Clev not getting the chance
Tom s deal Confirmed by Wigan website, I think it’s not bad for both united and Tom ,the last two seasons loan made him today,just carling cup and few sub is not enough for Tom,same case with kiko, I check wigan players number available ,he can choose 7,15,18 or19,all the best Tom ,u will back home stronger and I sure u will in capello s Senior time next match day.
hmm yea great idea, loan a midfielder like cleverly who has the ability to score quiet a phew goals has his goals return for watford was 11 or 14 one of the 2. but give anderson yet another chance to show how useless he is again.
lets really look at anderson, what the hell does he bring to the united fold. he cant pick out a pass like paul scholes, his goals return is pethetic, his assists are non existant his attitude is just down right awful. And his only real quality is he will stop the opponents not a united midfielder thats going to improve united in the future.
if I am harsh on anderson I cant please everyone, but it frustrates me we are holding back a fantastic midfielder like cleverly so someone like anderson takes his place who I feel cleverly is a better midfielder than anderson.
Agree with Giggs11etc,
I really hoped we’d see more of Tom who looked great pre-season. Gibson on loan would have been my preference but maybe SAF’s thinking is Gibo will be given one final year to see if he can make it before either selling him or offerring a new contract. Whereas he knows Cleverly is a future starter and will develope faster with one more loan year.
I don’t think Gibson will make it despite his rocket shot but he probably has done enough to deserve another year to prove me wrong.
when cleverly scored that rillian volley goal aganst the allstars that shows this guy has got one hell of a future in the game that he could very well be the english iniesta
@Willierednut … I heard the SAF interview live when he definately said Cleverly “would be staying” so something has changed.
I think it may be due to other MF contract situations. Does anyone know when Anderson and Gibsons contracts expire? If they have less than 2 years left he might want to give them one final season before making up his mind whether they are keepers or not.
Could be SAF reckons the club is substantially stronger this year in relation to last. ie injuries and by letting a bunch of our prospects go on loan to clubs of no threat to us there is a double benefit in
game time and they will all be responsible for helping to take points from teams that are a threat to us win win.
Thats it.
Guess the dippers didn’t get “the great” Carton Cole after all. They are going to have huge problems going forward AGAIN this season. With the Ladyboy (Whose injured every second week) and Ngog (Whose just shit) I really don’t know how they can even try to challenge for a top four spot.
Enjoy mid-table mediocrity
No real last minute suprises, though I didn’t expect much. Bit disappointed Cleverley is gone, but maybe with a season of playing regularly under his belt, he’ll really shine next year. Atleast I really hope so.
@David Mack
I think what may have changed is Anderson. They were saying end if September before he would have been back in training but he is back and has played in the reserves so is atleast a month ahead.
Also Scholes is doing well and the games are such that he should be able to play them all in the coming months. With carrick and Gibson not getting much game time so far then Tom getting some first team games elsewhere will be good for him. Mind you a 6 month deal with option to extend nay have been better
Wakey is right. That’s probably why Fergie changed his opinion on Clev. I hope Anderson repays his faith. Like a lot of others, I am starting to sense that this is his last chance.
So, we’re depending on Ando playing out of his skin, no pressure there then. The dippers missed out on the great Carlton Cole, fucking gutted. Milan got Robinho for 12 million pound, I’d say that’s a bargin, City record a loss of 20 million squid.
willierednut – think of that notion anderson having to play extremly well that thought does scare me.
wow 12 million for robinho that is a bargain
Sky Sports news are talking about robinho been a flop – now how can a real madrid player be world class 2 years to the day ago- (in sky sports words)”have a better score rate (goal per game and goal per minute)for city and been on loan “go from been a world class player to improve on his world class status over 2 years to been a Flop- its simple in 2 years manchester citys spending has turned out to be the big money flop, but Sky Sports News re licking citys hole the last year or so
Thanks for Rooney the new king,I deeply totally agree with all yr comment,Tom is very talented I like the name English iniesta ,if he keeping learn and work hard,he will become the best premier league midfielder and one of top midfielder in Europe,and many people or fans always said Anderson got talent and give him time to prove ,oh come on fxxk off it make me sick ,Same terrible feeling heard they said john oshear is good and let him starting,i think not only Tom better than him,even matty James or drinkwater also,At least they know what they are.if our 70% games will play anderson and John together starting,we will lost everything. If u really know football ,watch every mins and the replay 3 times,u will know that.sorry for my poor English.
RTNK – Talksport are saying 12 million, if that is the case, it just shows how desperate City were to get rid of him. There’s rumours Van der Vaart has joined Spurs, thats not concrete though.
If VdV turns out to Tottenham for some 15-20m… what the fucking fuck is up with “Theres no value in the market” x50. Losing faith.. bare with, i have a ton of faith.. just losing a bit..
if Van der Vaart has joined Spurs its on loan by all accounts. And its a big if.
And why do people like JD seem to be unable to get their head around the fact that the fee alone isn’t what dictates value. A player who costs 80mill could be value while a player of 12mill may not be. There are so many other factors that decide value that the cost is only part of it.
Redknapp has told SSN that he thinks Spurs have signed VDV for 8 million.
Spurs paid 8 mil pounds for Van der Vaart.
VDV to Spurs for £8m
Still, at least we snapped up Bebe for £0.6m shy of that, eh Fergie?
@Wakey /Wayne/MG/Matt.
Evening lads .
Now before anyone gets there heckles up and all prickly we all love United and see different things and have a different perspective.
First off most of my information on this subject of the Glazer comes from blogs like this, Red Rants, United Rant,Andersred ,United supporters who have supported the club for years and years.etc.Where extremely knowledgable blog owners support the Anti Glazer campaign.
Thats does not mean I am a Sheep, i do my own research and investigate before i select my corner.
I tend to give respect to my peers and betters and United fans with massively more knowledge than me on United and what is good for United.
Yes on your figures regards the Net spend it does exclude the Ronaldo transfer fee recieved Wakey.
That is not the point however is it? The total spend is far less than intially promised would happen.
Which leads me to the point of the Champions league campaign.I am most certainly not a doommonger and its not in my make up to be so.
If you feel overlay happy that we are going to win the Champions league this year then fine, I dont feel the same positivity.I wish I could say yes we will win it.There is the problem why should we be entering the competition not feeling that we can compete with Barcelona ,Madrid, Inter.
Lets not forget we were eliminated last season bye a team that was beaten twice in its qualification group got through on away goals.Were beaten in Florentina got through on away goals rule.
They outplayed us in Bayern, Edwin kept us in the tie if you recall with one of his many herioc displays.
Yes we were unfortunate at Old Trafford after Rafael got sent off, but eliminated we were.Fact.
I just feel we are going to need a very favourable draw to proceed to the semi’s.
As you know the Glazer’s very fine budgeting demands the Quarters at the very minimum.
You say improved revenue streams will counteract any loss in that area, I accept this up to a point.
Not however if fans are begining to reduce there match day income as an example and other sources of income.
Let me explain one of my greatest angers and frustrations.We all are aware of the magnificent service and pleasure provided over many years from Paul, Ryan Gary, and Edwin.How long do you think they can continue providing this at such a repeatedly high level.Its got to come to an end.Now I am not decrying the up and coming players and saying they are not fit to wear a United shirt thats just nonesense.
Where is the Players of such high quality in there positions to carry on Winning trophies.More importantly were is the money to pay for those elusive players.To replace them all though two are irreplaceable is going to cost in excess of 100 million.Look at the big picture lads.
As I think you acknowledge we best bless all our manager for as sure as hell if it were not for him we would be in one dreadfull fricken mess.
Before anyone gets all hissy and think i am a negative Twat, dont think that I have a £50 bet on United will win the Premiership.Easy.
Away to spread the word elsewhere.
RedScot – I was gonna say, you’re a negative twat lol. Spot on about the lack of players coming through atm, imho, we’re gonna have to buy to replace Giggs, Scholes and big Edwin, gods knows what that’s gonna cost. Your point about the champions league is a valid one, i really can’t see us getting further than the semi finals, unless we get the luck, we didn’t get last year. Of course, we’ll also have to be free of injuries and suspensions to have a good run in Europe, but i can see us winning the league again.
RedScot
Brilliant post mate, sums my feelings up.
Redscot, people such as Andersred has his own agenda, making good money put of peddling half facts.
People like Drunken Drasdo are in it for themselves and themselves only. Making good money out of United name, while calling the owners for doing the same!
We were unlucky last season, through injuries and that bit of luck that’s needed, silly tactical and individual mistakes against Bayen.
We don’t need the likedvof Van Der Vart or any Madrid rejects who have bad injury records.
Once Anderson is fit we have the midfielder we need.
“There is no value in the market.” “The Ronaldo money’s in the bank and available”
Van der Vaart is sold for 8m to Tottenham
WTF
JD – Know what the kicker is, VDV was signing for Bayern for 18 million yesterday, that fell through, and Spurs end up getting him for 8 million.
@ willierednut
Actually Real pulled out of the deal. Afraid its a no go for VDV to spurs
Redben.
my man write there. classic post mate.
To the people who have written in saying that Cleverly is a much brighter talent than Anderson, how can you possibly believe this? This is the same Anderson that bossed Fabregas and Gerrard around. I grant you that his attitude has been very poor but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t still a fantastic talent. I really hope that both Anderson and Cleverly go on to fulfill their their potential but Cleverly has a lot to prove before he will be trusted to play for our first team.
SENI – Well according to Graham Hunter, who’s based in Spain, VDV has joined Spurs.
All of which goes to show that deadline day dealing is a high risk strategy and value in the market isn’t easy to come by.
We had our great squad nailed weeks ago and I look forward to seeing it deliver yet again this season, whilst wearing my official new Manchester United jersey, like the vast majority of our home support.
Believe. Sorry, be real.
If the deal has really come through for 8 mn, I really think we have made a hash of things this transfer window. No value in getting Ozil for 11 mn or VDV for 8 but signed some homeless kid for 7.4 mn.
Then again, I have doubted the gaffer in the past, only to be proven horribly wrong. I hope that is the case this time around too.
We can say that because cleverley has the right attitude towards the game. i am not sure about anderson. his attitude wont take him to places i.e. higher. it would take him to places i.e. from one team to another.
VDV.was not in discussions with Bayern and has told Real he wants to stay in Spain.
dela – I don’t know why you mentioned Bebe’s homeless, some of the greatest players to ever grace the game, have learned their stuff on the streets. The fee was the buy out clause, and the club chose to pay it.
@ willierednut
I guess he’s signed then
Cleverly on loan
Well I really thought he would be thrust into the big time
But it’s right what Sir Alex has done
These players will come back bigger and better and will have had an education – especially Cleverly at Wigan
Much like Beckham at Preston
So be it
This club will of course be the better for it
It will never die
@ Faddy is a legend says
Hmmn yes he did boss Stevie Me and Fabregas around. But wait that was what, how many seasons ago, come on give me another game where you remember him so fondly. Bet you can’t. On the other hand Cleverly is brimming with visible talent and desire.
I want Ando back up to his best no question, but what you want isn’t always what you get, my humble opinion is that Tom be given the same chance Anderson and other players bought over the years have received. Our track recent track record suggest that he’ll sold, its crazy if think about that way because i rate this boy very highly.Put it this way Everton fans say they’ve got Jack Rodwell, Arsenal say they have Wilshiere, Shitty say they’ve got Adam Johnson, i say We’ve got Tom Cleverly
Anybody wants some fun or has some spare time to chip in read this – as you can see I am MG58
This is the stuff we face – stay United – This club means the world to me
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sunderland-pip-city-with-late-winner-after-tevez-howler-2065411.html#comment-73566292
@Willie, evening mate, lol well you know i am a negative twat right. not on your nellie! I just was not laughing when writing that. Deadly serious.
those 4 players are almost impossible to replace, its gonna cost a mint, I seriously think we dont have the cash.Simple.
Agreed as much as i hate to say it the Champions league should Manchester United not enter the competition to win it! its quite simple really.
@Moscow is my heaven. Thanks mate, glad I hit the right spot, thats from the heart, not the head.
@GiggsyChest wig. Did you read my post mate, slagging off Mr Green and Mr Drasdo does not cut it mate. Slag off Scott the Red or Red Ranter they support the same views that i learn from.
Are you serious regards Anderson please provide the proof of your view. 17 Million pound football player played 55 games scored 1 goal, head not at United.Has a good Engine so does Thomas the Tank but he does not cost 17 million pounds.
@willierednut
I don’t expect or don’t want Anderson to play out of his skin. I just want him to start showing signs of consistency and indications that he can become the player he proved he can become in 07-08. I wouldn’t want any of our lads to play under pressure. But you do have to wonder if and how long it will take for him to get it right…
Costas – That’s the big conundrum this season, how to get the best out of Ando and Carrick, really need them to step up.
@MG
mate i read the comments on that article and i cant believe the extent to which shitty fans support their club..they really are deluded..they know they cant win trophies so they are trying to get back at us by saying we will be extinct in 5 years..fucking morons..
just like you, I do not wish ill on other clubs but shitty fans along with their classless club can go to hell(which they will)..
I keep reading about nearly impossible players to replace.What nonsense our club have always replaced players and will continue to do so.Dont believe me?Denis,Bobby.George.Ruud,Ronny and that’s not countiing lesser lights but no less valuable players to this club over the years.
parryheid – Who replaced Law and Charlton? United went in to decline after they left or retired.
yeah after that great 68 team we had many dark years
@Parryheid yes you are right regards Denis Law, Bobby Charlton, George Best, Rud Van Nistrleboy, Ronaldo. Irreplaceable three were in one period. We have 4 shortly to replace in one period.
Please share your wisdom to dismiss the nonesense? who is replacing Scholes, Giggs .G Neville, Edwin van Der Sar. ?
also, did you see the players that came after Besty? Then again, how do you go about replacing Best, Law and Charlton, pretty difficult.
I think maybe a Dave Sexton type character might achieve this.
Great players don’t get replaced overnight. Took us 6 years to find a worthy succesor for Schmeichel. Ronaldo came in immediately after Beckham left, but he only started growing in stature 3 years later. Sometimes you never replace the players. Just learn to live without them(Cantona and Keano for example). Eventually, the team will move on. My concern is that if the new Holy Trinity retire together, that will be a big blow to our dressing room’s morale.
Willierednut.
I did’nt say they were replaced the same week but they were replaced.Not forgotten but replaced same the players prior to them and I’m talking about the Munich lads Denis replaced one,.Ryan replaced one Ruud replaced one as did Paul I’m not an encyclpedia but my general point is correct.Now let me ask you who do you think has’nt, and as for the decline period you mention you forget the managers after Sir Matt and the decline hence he had to come out of retirement or am I wrong.
I didn’t say anything about Giggs and Ruud, i was referring to Best, Law and Charlton, and the fact that they we’re not properly replaced. I’m not sure when Sir Matt came out of retirement, but you’re right about the managers that came after SMB, they couldn’t live up to his legacy, until SAF came along any way.
Willierednut.
I get your point.We obviously did’nt get exact clones of the players you mention but by God we got as near as dammit and I would say Both Gigg’s and Ruud were the equal of denis and George and Paul could pass and score thunderbolts on a par with Bobby.My point was its a wrong statement about the impossibility to replace greats.RedScot you have answered your own question regarding Three being in the same period I think our only real difficulty will be short term replacing Paul scholes but I could be wrong there’s always a first time.
@parryheid sorry mate i love giggs but george best was the greatest player ever and willierednut’s point is it took years between that great team and sir alex coming and eventually turning the club around,you carn’t compare ruud to law,law left the club in 73,ruud didn’t come till the 2001 season same with giggs came years after best,to say utd replace players it must be in the present day context not 20-30 yrs apart
Wayne.
My dad was in the army and we moved about a lot.One of the moves was to quarters in Edinburgh and my dad and his mates took me to watch a game Ive still got the programme Hibernian v Torino playing for Torino was an future England centre forward and a Scottish fair haired guy who stood with the ball a yard in front of him and just shook but nobody would come near him.The centre was called Joe Baker the inside man Denis Law.One year later a United player I know the time differences involved and abilities are in the eye of the beholder still does’nt take away these players were replaced by comparable quality and I’ve watched them all and there are guys on this site who can go much further back than I and it is a fact not next week maybe not for some time yet the same will happen and a clone of me will make a similar point and a clone of you will say he has seen nothing to compare with Giggs so you see my friend everything is relevent to the time in question.
@RedScot
The amount spent IS NOT well below what they said. Perhaps if you listen to the Anti Glazer crowd who like to spin it is but they promised around £20-25mill a season would be available minimum.
05/06 – 19.5mill
06/07 – 18.6mill
07/08 – 61.75mill
08/09 – 35,75mill
09/10 – 21mill
10/11 – 23.7mill
Add that up. Its 180.3mill
Now whats 25 x 6? Its 150mill and infact it should really be 25 x 5.5 as we still have a transfer window to go so 137.5mill. And again they said 20-25mill. Take it at 20mill and its 120mill (or 110mill based on a window being left)
So which is more the amount promised or the amount spent. I think you will find they have spent more than they promised.
On the other revenue streams, we arent talking about match day revenues. We are talking the commercial activities, the activities which they believe will atleast be close to exceeding if not exceeding match day revenue in next years accounts. If a few fans decided to be sheep and follow MUST’s and others calls to boycot then its not going to impact it.
And the Glazer Business plan at the start did mention the quarters. I won’t deny this but have you ever gone and borrowed money for a business. Even when they were throwing money around the banks weren’t stupid. If you go in with a business plan thats borderline they will laugh you out of the bank. The plan we know about will be not to service the debt but to keep the club running at a certain level rather than the absolute minimum. And again the plan was based on the state of the club at the time of the takeover and things have changed, its a more efficient business now.
On the replacing of the older players the problem is exactly what SAF mentioned when asked about players. Sure the club can spend big money on a current ‘star’ and maybe plan for him to be a key part of United future but is that player better than the options currently at the club. Take Edwin for example, sure they could spend big on one of the names we are being linked with but what do you do with this player, its like the situation at City where you have the older keeper who is one of the best in the league but you have a future top name keeper who if he isn’t playing is going to go backwards the way Foster did for us. For keepers especially its bad, an outfield player cna be backup and get decent game time but a keeper is only really subbed when there is an injury. Also how many top players are going to accept sitting on a bench for a season at United, if they really don’t want to play most of them are either at or could join (and have) join the likes of Real or City on much more money. You pay bug money for a ‘star’ they have to play so simply have to justify being first choice to make them value. If you can’t find a top player who demands a starting position then you either go old as we did in Owen to get a solid player who will be happy with reduced playing time or you go young and pick up players for the future. The older player gives a stop gap until you need to or find that big player to bring in and the younger players give you options in the future when it comes to replacing an established player
@parryheid i understand your point but i thought the point was replacing players and maintain a top side not about it being the cycle of life we went yrs without a good side and thats what sir alex has been so great at maintaining a level of excellence i’m talking replacing right now to keep winning trophies we were talking 2 different things sorry i missed your point.i carn’t compare anyone to bestie not giggs
@sorry missed your point again with the reference to giggs bit dense some days
Wayne the comparison I’m making is this lets say for example Obertan or someone still in the Academy turns out to be a winger supreme over the next Fifteen years a Youngster in infants class right now is taken by his dad to Old Trafford and for the next Fifteen years wows him he will compare that winger with footage of Giggs and will probably take the view they were like for like.and not even consider George best.That’s my point.
Here is my point
Be proud of what we have and be proud of what we are given
Most of all be proud of the time Giggs and Scholes and Neville and everyone else gives United
Be proud of whatever Giggs and Scholes have left for this club
Be proud of the loyalty that they have – be proud of the wonderful memories they have given us and are yet to create
Be proud of Manchester United
This club will never die – time itself will bring balance and allay all fears that we may have
@parryheid yeah i know i acknowledged i was being dense
@Wakey, debate over mate.You simply are putting your very own twist on this arguement.
All you are listing is transfers in values.You make no mention of sales.Which will arrive at the net figure I tried to get you to understand.
I note however finnally you glossed over my questions over our ageing Icons and there replacements.
Mate this is Manchester United we are talking about, not some tuppynee bit team.
This is the biggest and best football club in the World, and its being run like some Championship club.
We simply should not be scrapping around the bargain basements looking for cast off’s.
We should be entering the Champions league competition with a view to winning it, not fearing who we get in the group stages as an example.Mark my words as much as I hate to type it.
This is down to your beloved owners, who are slowly but most surely strangling the life of out of a magnificent football institution.
To Clarify if we are on facts. lol this is net spend.all in Millions.
0/5 1.0
0/6 4.1
0/7 26.55
0/8 33.75
0/9
10 10.35
The brackets Wakey mean minus for the uneducated. lol
You do the correct sums Mate.
Next time you catch me on this subject am sure it will happen tell the ROM the NET AVERAGE SPEND.
The truth.
RedScot – You say we shouldn’t be shopping around for cast offs mate but didn’t you want VDV? I ain’t a Glazer fan by any means but the club is run by Fergie, Gill, Ole and so on. The acadamy is the best around, the reserves double winners. Fergie is just keeping the conveyor belt going. Giggs and Scholes could easily play for another 2 or 3 years they are THAT good. Stop worrying mate. Our aquad is in superb shape with key players coming back. We BATTERED Munich at home. We should have won the league. How many people thought the dippers would win in Europe in 05? I like to think our squad is slightly better than that shower. It isn’t about Big names but team ethic, spirit etc which I am sure you are well aware. Relax.