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CONFIRMED LINE-UP: United vs Liverpool

De Gea, Rafael, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Young, Carrick, Cleverley, Welbeck, Kagawa, Van Persie.
Bench: Amos, Jones, Valencia, Anderson, Giggs, Chicharito, Smalling.

Liverpool: Reina, Wisdom, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Downing, Sterling, Suarez.
Liverpool bench: Jones, Carragher, Henderson, Sturridge, Borini, Shelvey, Robinson.

About Scott

Scott is the editor of Red Matters - 50 Years of Supporting Manchester United and an author of Play Like Fergie's Boys and Not Nineteen Forever. He writes for ESPN, The Metro and Bleacher Report. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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  1. WeAreUnited says:


    My friend, how are you, Actually I see it differently, I think today we saw Danny’s ability, just that now people expect him to score. OF course we have 3points on the bag and we should be happy that we have always someone else scoring.

    for example I gave my opinion about Chicha starting, cause I think 11 goals in 13 games and many of goals have been when he has started, proves that he should start.

    Do I complain that we won? no. DO I complain about Danny’s ability? no. I think nobody is.
    It’s just strange when you have a man scoring goals for fun, to put on the bench.

    @murt73 put it the best
    “have to agre on hernandez should have got nod over Danny, He’s proven more clinical than anyone in the premiership this season on mins played and is also working well with RVP, also his allround game has improved, arguably Danny may still offer more outfield but thats outweighed by whan Hernandez can get you in terms of goals.”

    but then @samuel put good reasons for Danny to start.

    it’s a matter of opinions for me, If I was the manager, I would have put Chicharito to start with his 11 goals in 13 games.

    It’s only a matter of opinions, cause at the end WE WON, and we are using every player, that’s the point :) but I see it unfair. :) nothign more, but this is only my excuse, maybe someone else really does think he’s no good, which is CRAZY. he’s a natural talent with a bright future with us. he needs to get his “ronaldo”-mode on -> scoring.

  2. Andromeda says:

    I believe that if we keep winning important games like this we don’t need to observe what is happening on the other side of Manchester, however we should not forget our complacency last season.

  3. mara says:

    I think we played very very well. 1st half they they were in their half of playground. We could win with more goals… but we were out of luck. Cant blame Van Persie, he was great. He gave his best but couldnt give more. We can be happy about our performance. In second half Liverpool was good, but you cant dominate all 90 minutes.

  4. Andromeda says:

    Can’t believe that Arsenal has lost the ground too early!!

  5. Sushi says:

    Fucking ref ruined te game arsenal fucked now. Total bull shit.
    I don’t know about u lot but I actually feel sorry for arsenal their a disgrace from the team they uses to be. Fucking pathetic wtf

  6. samuel - united WE stand says:

    It’s a tactical decision to play welbeck, a role better suited to him than the mexican. I don’t know how anyone can blame him “IF” (hypothetical bollocks) united didn’t pick up a win, last time i checked, football is a team game. I think people over-analyse danny, nit picking everything when clearly and fergie has mentioned this several times, he’s still not the finished article and needs to file out the rough edges, we’ve banged on about this several times, it’s become tedious

  7. dannysoya LOVES USAIN BOLT says:

    have to smash spurs next week. Rooney and Nani and Anderson are all back by then so hopefully we can make this happen.

  8. WeAreUnited says:


    I also agree on this you said -> I don’t know how anyone can blame him “IF” (hypothetical bollocks) united didn’t pick up a win, last time i checked, football is a team game.

    YOU NEVER, I repeat NEVER can tell what would have happened if he didn’t play or we lost.

    And I know about tactical decisions my friend, but when you can put RVP as a SS and Chicha as a CF, that’s a great tactical decision also. you have two guys with the goaltally’s of 20 and 12. Which is HUGE.
    But I get it why Welbeck played and I think he played really really well. he lacked the goal, but it will come.

    But if doesn’t then it’s unfair in my opinion, to let Chicha be a sub. This has nothign to do with bashing a player, and I am only speaking on my behalf, don’t know what others think when they say things about him.

  9. Costas says:

    Actually local lads usually get critisized worse than the others do. I am not from England, but I thought he looked good out there. He hasn’t scored as often as he did last year but his role has changed. He’s not the focal point of the attacks anymore.


    I am good thanks. Hope you’re well. I can see the arguement about him not scoring often, but like Samuel said, Welbeck’s overall game was crucial to today’s game, hence why Fergie started him. He’s not in competition with Hernandez imo. Hernandez wasn’t dropped or anything. He was just saved in case we needed a goal from the bench and Welbeck was picked to press them from the off. Worked pretty well I thought. At some point Danny will start scoring more often. But given then roles he’s occupied this season, I am not surprised he’s only scored once.

  10. WeAreUnited says:

    I only hope that this season all our strikers break the goaltally of 10 or even 15.

    RVP has done it, Chicha has also, and Rooney is close. It’s Danny’s time.

    Imagine to have 4 strikers scoring for fun. :)


    yeah, rooney and and Nani back is going to give us a huge boost.

  11. fergie is the boss says:

    starting welbeck was of 2 reasons

    1 welbeck was there to be the pressure cooker, and be part of a fluent system, so kagwa and welbeck could both tag when to go inside, and when to go to the left

    2 hernandez the boss obviously wanted to give him a breather, with rooney still not fit, the boss wants to preserve hernandez.

    It worked out well, the real question is? how liverpool were in the game, when they were so lucky. Like kagwa should have got a pen, the defender should have been sent off for pushing kagwa, skirtal should have been sent off, johnsen should have seen red,.

  12. WeAreUnited says:


    yeah I understand, maybe I am too attached on the question of, why Chicha who is playing so well and has improved his allaround game and scores for fun is on the bench :D

    nothing else, and I will always wonder this until Welbeck scores or assistes in every 84 minute :)

    that being said, Welbeck is a great talent who needs to get his “Ronaldo”- mode on -> SCORING.

  13. WeAreUnited says:


    you answered my question and I understand it’s tactical, but you can’t say Chicharito doesn’t run his head off, or doesn’t put pressure on, so in that way he’s equal.

    Just that he’s scoring goals for fun and which team doesn’t want that`?

    Anyway, great game from the strikers and 3 points for us.

  14. Andromeda says:

    @Samuel- united we stand
    well said mate.welbz inclusion today was totally for tactical reason and he did seems that there are many naive fans preoccupied with their credulous opinion.Danny is a player want to play for the team and not for himself, despite being a striker he selflessly run all over the pitch tackling every ball as if he is playing his last football match.if people doesn’t understand this sort of love and passion then you have a trouble understanding football.

  15. WeAreUnited says:

    Sturridge is selfish.

    Welbeck is a teamplayer wit ha capital T.

  16. dannysoya LOVES USAIN BOLT says:

    As for Welbeck he was very good today. Fine he didn’t convert on some of his chances but still he was the hardest worker out there. Did not give Liverpool one single moment’s rest. We won the game. PERIOD.

  17. samuel - united WE stand says:

    ziggy says:

    I’m sorry if I pushed some buttons here,this is my opinion and I understand that for the local fans, a player from the city must be almost untouchable but I still think that Welbeck doesn’t have the skills to be world class as Ronaldo or Rooney ,we will see who is right over time.

    And allow me to insist, even if Hernandez is in love with our team,he is a player with ambitions and if he gets an offer to play more minutes in a top team, I’m sure he will go…good night.”

    1. The only button you’ve pushed is chocolate ones you stuff down your neck. 2. Who said welbeck is untouchable? He’s played second fiddle this season, had his place taken by a more experienced international world class striker despite starting regularly last season, he’s accepted an unfamiliar role and got in with it, hasn’t sulked,about it and puts,in 100%, again showing your idiocy, he’s far from untouchable, fergie is too ruthless for the crap you’ve made up.

    3. Oh hello mystic megan, why don’t you tell us how many nipples the queen has as clearly you know the future and if a player will become worldclass or not? danny may or may not reach those heights, who knows but he has the ability, why can’t he aim for that?

    4. No one knows what’s on hernandez’s mind, he may just be another OLE but he knows competition at this club is high, the top players thrives from it.

    Tut tut, mystic megan. I think the sleep you’re off to get is what you need.

  18. Ash says:

    Howard Webb was playing very safe today. Everyone found out that he was favouring Liverpool today. But even after that we are seeing stuffs like Vidic ‘s goal was offside. JOKE

  19. fergie is the boss says:

    like I said, hernandez was given a breather, and give welbeck a game, it also helps he is a local player. Hernandez does run around, but he is best used has the vocal point, when the boss was not looking for that today. He wanted everyone switching positions, and welbeck added the legs to pressure the midfield

  20. Ash says:

    City have got a big life line today yet no one will point out that City beat a 10 man arsenal. Even arsenal fans won’t complain about this. I can bet if this had happened against us arsenal fans and media would have been going mad. I have not seen the red card but its surprising to award a red card in early mins of the game.

    Don’t worry arsenal will play like a Final when we go to emirates in late April.

  21. WeAreUnited says:


    yeah you’re rightm Welbeck did offer everything today.

    But I would have still put Chicha on :D joking and a bit serious.

    anyway, it’s great to have 4 great strikers with different gamestyles, you’ll never know what we will do next.


  22. fergie is the boss says:

    no we have 3 great strikers, and a good one in welbeck

    Ash – it is arsenals own fault, he should never have pulled on dzeko, and the way the goals were conceded was of a team given up. Shitty are relieved the way the game turned out

  23. mutusamy says:

    Just seems to me that we score more from set pieces these days after Rvp and Rooney taken over from the wingers as corner or free kick taker. Our wingers are not performing as well as they should be, maybe a proven winger will be a good addition to the team since there’s only 3 and 1 maybe on his way out.

  24. slayer says:

    Another win for United. Congratz to the players. But it is worrying seeing how the team perform at the second half and Liverpool look a bit more deadly. Not sure what Sturridge impacts brings to Liverpool but it seems to be something like what RVP brought to United. Nevertheless, united need to keep pushing forward. 16 games to go.

  25. ziggy says:

    @Samuel- united we stand

    Who’s “mystic megan”?,and woah!, it seems that you get very sensitive when someone dares to criticize Welbeck, fanaticism or obsession?, you decide … night

  26. Andromeda says:

    I must say Mike Dean is a clear Psychopath.he is giving yellow cases to any average fouls.what a cunt.

  27. James7t7 says:

    Good win.. I think the 2-1 flattered Liverpool.. Should have been out of sight by half time. Great atmosphere in stadium!!!

    For those patting Welbeck on the back for his man of the match display, things would have been very different had Liverpool got an undeserved point.

    He is there as a striker and quite frankly his blowing of opportunities gets too much.

  28. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Thought rafael was outsanding again. Development from him is going well, always supported the brazilian and i’m glad fergie’s perseverance and long term vision is paying off. Rafael has racked up loads of first team games, he’s had ups and downs but He’s a stronger player for it. Battler, terrier, competitive. Rafael can mix the rough and tumble with guile and flair. He’s far more powerful, he had a lapse today but his concentration is improving, he reads and intercepts danger, he knows when to tackle or hold off an attacker. He patrols that right flank like a tiger chasing prey, bombing up and down with energy. Superb young player, on a gradual upward curve to hopefully being world class but i’m holding back, i want to see him keep up the good work.

    I saw his brother fabio against spurs and again shows why i think he’s the main candidate to replace evra, this twins will carry the fullback flanks for united hopefully.

  29. Unitedyankee says:

    Koscielny basically rugby tackled Dzeko. But-Kompany was just given a straight red for two footed tackle and may miss three games. Arsenal are now attacking but 2-0 in 84th minute

  30. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Was he there as the main striker or giving a specified role? Like i said, football is a team and hypotheticals are irrelevants. We could go back in history, analyse every action on a pitch and put a question mark. Move on.

  31. samuel - united WE stand says:

    ziggy says:

    @Samuel- united we stand

    Who’s “mystic megan”?,and woah!, it seems that you get very sensitive when someone dares to criticize Welbeck, fanaticism or obsession?, you decide … night”

    I thought you were off to sleep? You lying cunt and i back up any united player against idiots like you that have no constructive thing to say, your criticism has no balance as to how a player can improve. If you call it an obsession, to i would gladly accept that. I recognise quality and talent, something you clearly struggle with, you struggle to conjure up anything sensible despite the well known fact welbeck is not the complete player yet, i baffled. As for asking for who mystic megan is, either review your comments and see your predictions or take off the dress you roam around in the middle of the night with, either way, you’ll find an answer. I think i’m done with this subject.

  32. fergie is the boss says:

    Why can’t some fans realize, he wanted to give Hernandez a rest, rotation has not been a huge part of the team this year, the Liverpool game with rooney out, was a great chance to start with welbeck. If things were not going well, the boss wanted the option to see Hernandez make the impact off the bench. and half of his goals have been that exact reason, Hernandez cannot complain, he has started plenty of games, and he realizes, this is all part of the benefit of the team. Different opponents, different type of team to be fielded.

  33. ziggy says:

    @Samuel- united says:
    …” you struggle to conjure up anything sensible despite the well known fact welbeck is not the complete player yet”….

    Macheda and Bebe were not complete players either but never got the chances that Welbz is having,and yeah,you have issues he he…obsessive cunt!

  34. samuel - united WE stand says:

    ziggy says:

    @Samuel- united says:
    …” you struggle to conjure up anything sensible despite the well known fact welbeck is not the complete player yet”….

    Macheda and Bebe were not complete players either but never got the chances that Welbz is having,and yeah,you have issues he he…obsessive cunt!”

    i’m Obsessive yet you continue to reply after ringing your bed time little bell. What’s wrong? Didn’t get your tumble belly tickled?. I’m merely exposing your bullshit, fergie and most have highlighted how superb danny played today which is what the subject was mainly about yet you waffle on about irrelevant rubbish about who gets chances. Welbeck is a step or two ahead of the players you’ve mentioned, neither of them have been discarded yet hence why bebe has been sent on loan to kick on, they may well carve a career at this club if they step up, something danny has proved. Welbeck has a part of his game to improve on but he’s working hard and showing quality. If you want to carry this on, i will gladly take on the challenge of exposing your idiocy mystic meg.

  35. slim says:


    Spot on fella. May not alwayd agree with you but you’re bang on about Danny.
    Fuck knows where this myth of Hernandez being our savior is coming from.
    Danny is better suited against some opposition as is Chico. In isolation, I’m more impressed with Danny. Not to say Hernandez hasn’t impressed, just that Danny has that little extra.
    Check out his run down the right in the 2nd half. Superb.
    Said this before and I’ll say it again. RVP wasn’t as good as Danny when he was 22.
    Someone said we will have our very own Thierry Henry and I concur. He’s got it all- well not exactly all, finishing needs some work, but his touch,pace and speed of thought is amazing. This is a case of stats not telling the whole picture. Hernandez scores more yet it seems Danny gets more game time. He brings a shit load to the table end of. How many offside call against us today? Exactly.
    Am I chuffed he’s a manc? You can bet your left testicle I am. Damn proud is what I am
    Onward and upward Danny.

  36. theo says:

    Yeah! let’s give Danny another 5 or 6 years to improve and sell Hernandez so he can go and score goals for another team,that’s the spirit!

  37. King Eric says:

    Slim and Samuel. Great posts and spot on as usual.

  38. Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson says:

    @ “Fuck knows where this myth of Hernandez being our savior is coming from.”

    Perhaps from the Braga away match. Or perhaps the Chelsea match. Or perhaps the Aston Villa match. Or perhaps the Newcastle match …

    You’re right–with so many matches to choose from, who the fuck does know?

  39. Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson says:

    Oops. Meant @ slim

  40. g-man says:

    What was with all the dodgy back passing and across the goal?

    went to sleep in second half boys,

  41. WeAreUnited says:

    @Arthur, maybe @slim meant this

    I put this stat earlier, but I found an other even deeper one. Which breaks the myth of Chicha being only a supersub and contributing more from there. Not saying he’s not good coming from the subs, but he’s better when he starts.


    2010-2011: 45/20 ~ start: 27, goals 12 ~ sub: 18, goals: 8 ~ scored in 17 games = 37.7%

    2011-2012: 36/12 ~ start: 22, goals: 10 ~ sub: 14, goals: 2 ~ scored in 10 games = 27.7%

    2012-2013: 21/12 ~ start:12, goals: 8 ~ sub: 9, goals: 4 ~ scored in 9 games = 42.8% Overall:


    starts: 61, goals: 30, scored in 23 games = 37.7%

    sub: 41, goals: 14, scored in 13 games = 31.7%

    102 games, 44 goals, scored in 36 games = 35.2%

    11 assists ~

    2010-2011: 4,
    2011-2012: 3,
    2012-2013: 4.

  42. Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson says:


    Good stuff there. I expect Chico to start on Wednesday–probably alongside Rooney. Should be interesting. After all, they formed a pretty effective partnership in the 2010-2011 season.

    I expect Robin to get a rest this time out, with perhaps a cameo towards the last twenty minutes or so if we need him.

  43. WeAreUnited says:


    Yeah probably they will start, Rooney Chicha, I bet Welbeck will also be included and Nani also.
    Ando in the middle with Fletch? Kagawa?

    Anyway. it’s outrageous to say Chicha is a myth, CRAZY, because the lad at the age of 22 scored for us 20 goals and it was also his debut-season.

    I don’t get it why, for example I speak on my behalf and I hope I don’t have to repeat this ever again. Welbeck is one for the future, that’s for sure, and he’s an outsanding player, one of my favourites actually.
    @slim wasn’t wrong when he said he could be our Thierry Henry cause he’s right on that! 99%.
    The thing is, he needs to deliver more, I mean look at Chichos stats at the age of 22 and now at the age of 24. He is a goalscorer and they are remembered. And Chicharito has also worked his allaround game.
    I am not saying Welbeck will not become one. Don’t be sensitive. He WILL! but Chicha is delivering right at the moment, when everyone thought he’d be out. Welbeck needs to get his “Ronaldo”-mode on! nothign more, I will then praise him more. Until then, he gets my votes as one of the birghtest future-starts, but until he starts to deliver, I will keep it quiet :)

    Anyway, there’s no reason to compare of course, that’s one thing I did wrong, but to make Chicha as a myth is ridiculous, as ridiculous as loving liverpool.

    Either way, our future is granted with , Chicharito, Welbeck, WillKeane and Henriquez.
    Two have already established themselves, n0w its their time!!!

    + we have Rooney and RVP. beautiful


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