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uww
newcastle going for the draw?
and our team?
know your opponent more than you know yourself :p
know your opponent more than you know yourself :p
Can’t say I am happy that Rafa hasn’t started this. Hopefully he doesn’t have a knock or anything. Other than that, strong team. Go get them.
Good team. Just wondering why Rafa not starting. Hope no probs.
Well would love to see what the bench’s like too
An eye on Saint James Park, hoping for a Newcastle equalizer:))
As for the lineup, where is Vida?
@Costas
True maybe just giving him a game rest.. he has played in all our games this season
Vidic – bench
Bench
Lindegaard, Chicarito, Giggs, Scholes, Fletcher, Welbeck,Vidic
Hopefully Rafael is OK:))
Bench – Lindegaard, Giggs, Hernandez, Vidic, Scholes, Fletcher
*and Welbeck
One has to wonder where rafa is
He’s not even in the bench….
Okey Rafael is not in the becnh so it’s a injury, or SAF is playing to be an injury so people don’t bash him for not playing Rafa.
Anyway, let’s hope the lad is ok, and Jones plays his part today.
CMON UNITED.
3-0 for us.
please i hope rafa is not injured or anything. that would be extremely disappointing news.
can’r argue with that except would have preferred Rafael at RB. Wasn’t Vidic fit?
I wish we win 3-1 and Oshea scores a goal against us, so he gets his standing applauses
Let us give Jones a chance to prove himself as a right back, meanwhile time to give Rafa a break:))no worry guys.
The boy has to play every game
Hopefully jonesy will do an equally great job
Where is my shinji? Where is my shinji?
Right team selection!! Welcome back to Vidic!
Not hoping too much from Newcastle though. We are on our own this time onwards.
Run United run!!!
Best available team from the 18 in uniform.
Ha, I’d never wish for an ex to score against us, no matter how good a servant he really was. That will always remain in the past..
He’s was a great player though
Great team, rafael obviously rested.. Rooney will be up for it.
I say 4-0 to us. Rooney to get 3
@Proverb
Just to make it a bit interesting.
haha. I don’t wish Tevez to score against us, obviously, but Oshea is a welcomed one 
3 points is the key. Rafael deserves a rest but would have preferred if he had started. Also why isn’t powell in the bench. These are the games where you could give the lad some chance to shine. Not sure whether Giggs or scholes needs time more than powell.
Anyways quite happy de gea and cleverly are starting. They need run of games.
Rafa deserves break like any other player, just hope the entire team play to their strength. God be with us!
I am waiting for the moment Vida get the nod, the fans reaction would be hilarious.best of the luck for our warrior.
Let’s be professional on this one, the potential of a banana slip is present. With Shitty getting 3 points over the Geordies, today 3 points is vital. I’d take a drab 1-0 at this point to be honest
I doubt if the game would be a blowout as most folks on here think….I won’t be surprised to see us conceding 1st again
I like the line up. Still need to perform.
Team needs to start and finish with high tempo. Just go for the throat and keep going. United to win.
My fears were unfounded….RVP!!!
Does that count as an assist for Young?
Well done Ashley Young, tough break John O’Shea, thank you RVP.
Great strength from Young.
Well Done Ashley and I still can’t believe RVP plays for us hahhah
CMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
What a cross from Jones!
Ashley Young written all over that goal
Great move for Cleverly goal….
No mercy.
Carrick playing like a man possessed
Lovely goal by Clesvs….
Sunderland reaping the whirlwind.
Carrick is the MAN!!! Love him!
Best 1st half this season, pace, creativity and accurate passing. THIS IS UNITED!
@walata hahahah YES HE DOES
So Vidic will come in at some point if we are comfortably ahead?
You!!! yes youyoyoy (denzel washington voice)) maaaaaaaaaaa maaaan! you southampton… ooops I mean sunderland supporters. we will kick your ass from OT while you do the poznan.
Don’t take the honey from their bare, or be part of it!!!!!! It’s an avalanche!!!!!!!!
Be prepared, leave your children home! it’s not good for them to witness such cruelty, or maybe it’s better to take them…
YES take them!!!!!!!! maybe they convert for Manchester United and have a better life!!
It’s better for them, so their legacy can feel proud and know the history of Manchester United!!!!!!
……oooooooooooo robin van persieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:…………….. chiiiii cha rito!!!! chiii cha rito!!!!!!!! rooooneyroooney!!!
be prepared, this is your 21.12.2012, this is your end of the world.!!!
My word…we are shredding this team.
rooneys next to score
Rooney should have 2 already…some of our attacking play is just deadly
Rooney should have 2 already…some of our attacking play is just deadly
oh…so this is how we can play?! our timing on finding form year after year is just unbelievable…SAF, bloody hell!
playing some awesome stuff. young is looking a real threat again, just like his early days
They deserve this battering!!!!!!
No mercy so far!!!!!
They told Hulk in the Avengers to get angry, he replied ” I’M ALWAYS ANGRY” get angry boys!!!!!!
Playing your best front 6 in consecutive games works. Who would have thunk?
@Mahesh
He’s always been the man.
Sweet revenge!!!
Oh my!!!!who say we can’t replace Roy Keane??Carrick can be our next Roy.
Don’t you just love Van Persie’s touch and control?reminds me of Berba, pure poetry.
Speaking of Berba, love him as much as I do, you can seen every time RvP plays what SAF really was looking for when he splashed 30k plus on Berba. Got it right the second time around with RvP! And how!
Clean sheet going in to half time please!
DDG is undisputed no. 1 now surely. The gulf between DDG and Lindegaard is widening from how I see it…
Cleverly needs to work on his shooting side of the game & he would be awesome. His positioning & pass accuracy is already up there
@Mahesh
I can fully agree with that:)
Solid stuff. Hope we won’t rest on our 2-0 lead.
good work from the boys, carving up sunderland like a christmas turkey.
After watching this half, & I know it’s only Sunderland, I can’t understand why folks think Jones can’t do a good job in the midfield either sitting in front of the back 4 or combining with Carrick. His offensive play was good…accurate passes/crosses…he could have had 3 assists already. I’d like to hear arguments against this.
Alright first half. we played well in the early part and then tailed off towards the end almost allowing sunderland back into the game TWICE when they should be dead and buried. We ALWAYS seem to do against lesser teams recently. We have to stop being complacent and ramp up this GD today. please more goals.
Not to get carried away, but it’s been a while since we played with some style. We need to put more chances and Valencia needs to beat his man, but overall this was good, especially midfield side. Carrick and Clev aren’t being bullied. Many positive performances on the field today. We ned to put couple more though.
Speaking of Berba, love him as much as I do, you can seen every time RvP plays what SAF really was looking for when he splashed 30k plus on Berba. Got it right the second time around with RvP! And how
@Mahes SPOT ON. Though Berba did ok in his 21 goal season, but you can see the impact of RVP and the winners attitude.
@Costas, how are you mate, spot on also , playing 6 games in a run and this is the result, they will gell together.
BTW. Ashley Young is now our best winger at the moment, we need to sort Valencia the Terminator to his form, cause he’s underperforming unfortunately for us. This coul be Nani’s place to take, if he’s to come back?
Where will Kagawa fit if we continue liek this? I love this positive “problem”
Carrick superb at the moment, can’t remember when he played bad. It works for him to play with the likes of Anderson and Cleverley. That’s why he is shining.
I lvoe us at the moment, so glad we have become what we have always been.
A team with no mercy, 2 more and game over. Bring Chicha on, it has been a while!!!!!!!
@mahesh, fergie paid 30 mil for Berba to keep him away from city who actually even ended up offering more than that but Berba turned them down. Berba won us the 19th title with his contribution IMO, and he should have gotten more of a chance last season since he had no problem scoring. Different kind of player to rvp, I love watching them both, rvp for his sharp shooting and Berba for the silky touch.
All I want for Christmas is a 5-0 win:))
@dannysoaya
We have to stop being complacent and ramp up this GD today. please more goals
I AGREE: But in the second half, sunderland will tire even more, so 2 or 3 more goals to come, that’s a promise!
think we will score 6 can feel it in my water.
So who is scholsey coming on for then?
What happened to Carrick?
Maybe Fergie was anticipating that Berba would turn into Van Nistelrooy 2. Didn’t work like that because he turned out being a different player. It happens. Dela said it best.
@WeAreUnited
I am good mate. Hope you are well. Kagawa’s place in the team is kind of an enigma at the moment. Maybe on the left like Young?
@ We are United
I think you are right, I can smell more goals already:))
The magic of 90s is about to come back again.
Carrick being rested? Fuck me if he’s injured – just when I start singing his praises publicly!
Hope Carrick is ok. This could get a bit trickier without his composure out there.
Good thing Rooney had his scoring boots on last week!
Rooney should have a hatrick now! bloody hell…
DDG is a force of extraordinary origins!
im not complaining but how have we not put 5 past sunderland?
How are we missing these chances…it should have been 7-8 by now, and GD out of the equation for the rest of the season!
Sunderland are going to get some chances, especially with Carrick off…we better score another one fast…
You can immediately see what Carrick offers…nowhere close to the solidity or fluidity this half…surprising because we usually find our stride only in the second half!
So Rooney is on 7 goals now?
Nice footwork by RVP
Vidic been asked by SAF to get ready!!!
Vidic warming up…great sight.
More.
Carrick gone and our midfield is shit again, wtf
Too bad for sunderland we got two best strikers in england!
Vidic was asked to end warm up according to Fox Soccer
Great to see nemanja
nice comfortable score line here now, has been a slightly rare feeling this season 
Only Sun`lun but good stuff here
If Berbatov was a class with his touch.
Then RVP is all above him . He has a presence which berba lacked, that’s why he didn’t make it immediatelly.
RVP has it all. How arsenal let loose of him, only God knows. Sorry for Berba and his fans ( I liked him) , but we see what Berba lacked and what’s the difference with world-class and pure class.
World-class produces in every moment against every big team. And RVVP does that.
cmon 3 more”
He is coming on….Nemanja!!!
WELCOME BACK CAPTAIN!!!!!!
here cums Nemanja
On the twelfth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me,
12 Cantonas
11 Cantonas
10 Cantonas
9 Cantonas
8 Cantonas
7 Cantonas
6 Cantonas
5 Can to nas
4 Cantonas
3 Cantonas
2 Cantonas
And an Eric Can to na
Vidic on, FUCK YEAH!
Awful defending there..
DDG ghas made about6 saves WOW.
BTW I think we need to bring Chicharito on!
What the fuck was that…noone cares?!
Sorry for me acting like a perfectionist but i am really PISSED we have conceded and it is all our fault. Everyone just stood therr and watched larsson cross it. UGH. badly wanted that clean sheet for DDG.
Nooooo….not the dreaded Scholes-Giggs axis in the middle!!!!!
That was a soft goal to concede .. but then why giggs for clevs? — giggs and scholes in centre mid?
I don’t think United can afford to play without Carrick and Rio a lot these days…
WTF was that? Our defense just watching..ffs
rather could have bought on fletch
If the chances are there, United must put the ball into the net, we have to pull a large margin in goal differences while we can.
Paul Scholes has been simply awful. And now he’s joined my Giggsy….not going to be a fun 15 minutes to go. Can’t believe I’m saying that in this game!
Love their contribution over the years, but it is a shame that SAF is not prioritizing subbing in some youngsters in these situations.
Also, for a player missing for months, Vidic came on too early – should have given him 10 minutes today…
I can’t believe what I’m watching. First scholes comes on, then the space in the middle opens up. They score a pathetic goal and fergie then puts on giggs. Sunderland are fucking shit. Fergie is blind. We should be hammering them, yet he puts on those two and now it’s looking ropey.
What’s the story with Fletcher? Can he or can’t he be depended on?
porous centre mid ..
If SAF doesn’t ask Giggs and Scholes to pack their bags at the end of this season, I’m going to scream. Enough already!
wtf is wrong with Valencia?!
Another goal to help our goal difference United, C`mon
@Mahesh
Didn’t Giggs say recently that he’s looking forward to the tour in Australia?
If SAF has taken off Carrick to rest him, it has been a potentially disastrous call…
@Costas – Oh dear! Maybe we will leave him there? This is madness…We can’t seem to (and this includes SAF) want to play one entire game well, from start to finish…
On a bad day they could be level and they are terrible. You can see why Sunderland are at the bottom.
When scholes and giggs came in, we are too busy to defend..!
disappointed with our performance in the last 15 mins. this should have been a mauling and it has turned into a nervous struggle. ALL because we decided to be complacent. It is time for giggs and scholes to retire for good. Father time has caught up with them.
Our poor second half has been down to the management…plain and simple…poor substitutions…
scholes i think still has a bit of it giggs has lost it though gotta retire for his and uniteds benefit, clevs is brilliant alongside carrick, just look how they dominated the machine that is toure and the crab barry
@Mahesh
Lol, maybe that’s the plan. Didn’t get the point in these substitutions. If anyone needed game time it was Danny and Javier. Even at 3-0 up, you don’t take off both CMs and one CB. Got away with it but this should have been a thrashing.
Job well done, but the second half should have been better. Great to see Vidic back and really good start. Very professional performance, but we should have scored more.
4 clean sheets in 25 games is really abysmal. Heck the only one in the last 15 games was against West Ham.
Wow still complaining, Jesus crist some people aren’t happy until thu have someone to complain about. We won the game, stfu ye?
3-1 united rvp to score 20pound at 44 to 1 yes!!!!!!!!!!
De Gea is God.
A simple, yet metaphysical statement.
@jay, holy shit they were some nice odds.
Complaining because we love United, shut your mouth Dela..!
@Costas
Lol, maybe that’s the plan. Didn’t get the point in these substitutions. If anyone needed game time it was Danny and Javier. EXACTLY!
I think we all knew, that after putting scholes and giggsy on we will be a bit down, but don’t need to be angry, though I prefer 3-0 more than 3-1, DDG deserved his clean sheet.
MOTM David De Gea, Michael Carrick and Cleverley, I put AND, because I thought they really were.
anyway towards the next game.
BTW. I again predicted the scoreing line 3-1, here’s the proof. First I put 3-0, then I said I would like to see OShea score, well he didn’t but another ex-United player did. Here you go, this was my third of the season.:
December 15, 2012 at 15:24
WeAreUnited says:
“CMON UNITED.
3-0 for us”
Then
“I wish we win 3-1 and Oshea scores a goal against us, so he gets his standing applauses”
It counts, I predicted the hattrick of Chicha in that 3-2 win over aston villa and recently we won 3-1 QPR. And now this one
RECOGNISE!!!!!!!!!! haha
fergie is probably trying to get giggs and scholes match fit. which might be crucial in the upcoming fixtures ahead i suppose.
I want to correct more precisely:
***I predicted chichas hattrick and the scoreline 3-2 on that aston villa 3-2 win!
@ Dela
Mate dont get all self–righteous, we played well offensively but if you can tell me you are happy with our defensive lapses and lack of clean sheets, you’re as delusional as I thought.
As fans, we are allowed to celebrate the good and be critical of the bad. Fans say these things out of concern, and it has been a constant problem so far this season and is something United of old are not known for.
And one last thing, that “stfu” is uncalled for, last time I checked we all are entitled to our opinions. I dont always agree with everything you have to say but I dont make it a point to tell you to keep mouth shut. We all see thins differently mate.
No need to be angry or complaining, we won and played a match that was for our standards.
Now we all were unhappy for Giggs and scholes together, btu that’s football and a teamgame. I would prefered welbz and chicha but what can you do.
3 points, exellent match, 6 points off and rvp + rooney scores. what do we need more?
BTW. we need to sort Valencia the terminator to his form, he is a bit underperforming, which is nearly impossible for the silent man the killer.
anyway 3 points and a good game, proud of us.
Well done Aston Villa!!
Dela: you’re as apathetic as the United defence in recent months, and the second half of this game.
@wearered
for me you got a point, no need to put stfu for anyone, but seriously
how can you be complainign after that match. If it were a close match, giggs would have never played and if carrick were fit or not rested then scholes is the same.
so, it was an obivious subs for SAF to play his old pals, and we won 3-1. so based on the exellent match no need to be worried mate! and no need to ne telling anyone to stfu.
but complaining after this game is crazy! 15 minutes we played bad, leading 3-0 so no need to worry, it happens.
@ WeAreUnited
Mate I was happy with the game overall, I just think we fell asleep in the last 15minutes and that was probably down to SAF’s subs and some lapses. De Gea deserved a clean sheet, but I’m happy with the 3 points.
What annoyed me was Dela and comment to someone’s post. It was uncalled for!
When Brenden Rodgers spoke of Liverpool finish second, I guess he was speaking of finish second against Villa?! Moron!
Unless Carrick got a knock, I seriously don’t know what the heck Fergie was thinking when he replaced him with Scholes. Our midfield turned to shit almost immediately afterward. Coincidence? I hardly think so.
And then after we concede, who does he turn to? That’s right, Giggs! Because that’s exactly what we needed in that circumstance–a Scholes-Giggs midfield!
I agree with the above posters. If anyone — besides our returning captain, of course — needed game time, it was Danny and Chico. Javier was one of the hottest strikers around last time I checked, but he can’t even see game time against bloody Reading or Sunderland now.
Complaining when United are winning. What are you? Must be glory hunters.
@RedBorneo –> The first thing you did after we won the game 3-1 was take a shot at GIggs and Scholes. No “NICE ONE WE WON, WE’RE SIX POINTS CLEAR”… no? You love United? Ye whatever mate!
@WeAreRed –> ….. Yep, we do see things differently. I see us on top of the league with a 3-1 win and I’m happy about that. We weren’t going to lose the game, we weren’t going to draw the game, we had our foot off the gas and Sunderland couldn’t even shoot straight. Remember when we used to score 5 or 6 against everyone… No neither do I, because we never did it all the time… yes we conceded a really soft goal today, it sucks but we scored 3 and the result is what matters. The amount of times we were told by experts in here that City would wipe the floor with us last week I couldn’t even count, and it didn’t happen. I’m getting tired of it, a lot of people in here have lost the ability to see anything positive in their team… watching the TV with eyes glued to Paul Scholes and waiting for anything they can blame him for. About 3 weeks ago Ashley Young was shit and needed to be sold, never good enough for United and so on… fucking constant negativity is getting ridiculous. We’re top of the league and the only competition we’re out of is least important competition we compete for, heading into Xmas six points adrift of City who have just the league and the FA cup to play for.
By all means criticize whoever you want, but can you at least wait till all the players.. WHO JUST WON THE GAME.. are off the pitch before you do it?
@WeAreUnited
Well it wasn’y a rosey outing, that’s for sure. There is a reason for concern. Tactical changes like this in any other game could be fatal. Plus, this should have been a game where we pulled away from City’s GD. The first half showed what we are capable of. The second was proof of what could be costly down the line. I am sorry but boosting Giggs and Scholes appearance stats should come second to our title challenge (which isn’t just about winning matches when you look at how we lost the league last season).
Great first 20 minutes, but as soon we hit 2:0 we went flat and again became very complacent. Cannot understand why we do not take opportunity given in matches like this to improve our goal difference? We could and should have scored more.
Anyway, a win is a win and should not complain too much.
SAF himself in his interview conceded that it could have been embarrassing at the end and we could have conceded 2 or 3 if we got unlucky. Criticism completely justified here…only thing is the mistakes were tactical and down to the coaching staff this time around…
Scholes & Giggs should not be playing anymore. We needed to pad up our goals and whom did Fergie turn to? Why not put on Chico and Welbeck? Anyway, 6pts on top and only 1 goal advantage.
@ Dela
Your immature response to someone’s comment is the only reason I actually posted when I did. At the end of the day, I’m ecstatic we won and are 6 points clear. But any true fan will not only applaud the good, but will always look into areas where the team can always improve. No matter how good any team is, there’s always areas that need work. And our problem is our defensive lapses. Pointing this out does not make me or anyone else less of a fan, it makes me a rational fan who is willing to see things as they are, not through those rose tinted glasses you have on.
At the end of the day, I dont need you tell me how to support my team. I will continue to praise the positives and be critical of the bad and hope we can improve on it… You can sit content in your corner and leave under the illusion that the only true united fans are those that only have good things to say.
Well, Carrick needs a rest like all of us human. He’s played for few games non-stop already and we were leading 3-0. The same reason for Rio.
And no urgency to play Hernandez. Hernandez is a type of player that needs to be left hungry. He’ll be unleashed on the right time.
I note that some posters love to find way to criticize Fergie by any reasons. Come on this is 3-1 win. What else?
Why not basically anyone else but giggs, he has long past his best, we can do by benching for the majority of the games so he see he needs no hang it
Anyways, great win although tense at the end but overly comfortable result.
Ha looserpool complementing this afternoon, how have mighty reds fallen its shocking
@Mahesh –> If Sunderland had scored a second goal, there’s no way they’d have scored a third. If there’s one thing we’ve done very well this season its that we’ve reacted well to situations like that. We had a three goal cushion and the United players sat back, we’ve seen this time and time again before, it’s only being looked at through a magnifying glass now because of the defense frailties. Sunderland did have some serious chances at the end, but we also had some serious chances, both teams misfired. Yes, Sunderland could have scored and Yes, we also could have scored. When people come up with scenarios like that they always seem to assume that we simply wouldn’t react to conceding, and United’s history show thats just not the case. We had a horror game last season when we threw it away against Everton (who to be fair, fought tremendously hard for that point) but we don’t do that week in week out, we rarely do that. Had Sunderland scored a second — going by our record — I’m confident the United players would have had a fire lit under them and would have thrown the kitchen sink at Sunderland for the rest of the game, but it didn’t happen. Ever since Cleverley scored we didn’t have anything less than a two goal cushion. I think people just need to relax a bit. Have some faith, let the team work on the problems they know they have and be happy that we’re 6 points clear.
Costas – do not forget, with united’s record against Sland, anything could have happened. So happy we easily swept them aside
@Costas
yeah you said it all mate, and someone else was also right that last time we checked Chicharito was in a hot strike. But it happens, we all know that SAF thinks differently.
I have nothing to add, that I am happy we are 6points off again and top of the league with an exellent game. Better to play 15minutes bad and to realsie in these kind of games that it’s for Ando and Clevz, but I wont’ cpmlain, cause I thought we played a veryvery good game.
@wearered, yes it was a bad call from Dela, but understand what Dela is meaning, because, suddenly when game was 3-1 and giggs came on, instead of being happy, that we won and SAF just took it easy, though I wanted to se Chicha, people saw immediatelly something to critisize. Look at the comments when we were 3-0 up. NONE.
I get it, that it started when giggs came on, but seriously lads, it’s ok to make mistakes ahaha. We are top of the league baby!
@Dela nice comment. but it was a bad call from you to say stfu, cause noone was complaining anyway that much, just pointing the obvious that giggs and scholes didn’t need gametime. Well if carrick got injured, it’s not scholes fault he came on. The only substition I didn’t get was GIGGSY.
But that’s it. peace.
Anybody miss me?
As many already has stated: We can’t have Giggs and Scholes on the pitch at the same time without opening ourselves up… it’s suicide. It’s sad but true they offer almost nothing defensivly and at the other end they are at best average now. Superb players the past years but we cannot afford to be nostalgic… it’s time for them to coach/manage because they have still have loads to offer off the field.
3 points in the bag nonetheless… keep the red flag flying high!
@Dela,
You are so childish, grow up soon please..!
@ Costas,
You are right mate, Tactical changes like this in any other game could be fatal..
Kagawa The Shirt-seller says:
Anybody miss me?
Are you Shinji The Ninja by any chances?
@Dela: That is all speculation mate! The fact is our performance dropped pretty alarmingly, and when 3-0 becomes 3-1 and then 3-2, you never want to be in that position! For people to point out that we could do without that, and to identify where that drop comes from – nothing wrong in that…
@WeAreRed –> When the first reaction is to criticize a team that just won a game 3-1 to stay 6 points clear is to immediately start criticizing and scapegoating.. the appropriate response is stfu. I don’t care how you support your team, you were the one who jumped in on me telling me how it is!
I’ve been commenting here for years and years and I’ve never seen the sheer level of negativity… except maybe when berbatov became the ultimate villain…. particularly after we win.. Win…. “WIN” a game. It’s getting tiring now.
BTW has anyone actually seen “SHINJI THE NINJA” since we beat City? Probably not, but I bet he’ll be back next time we lose… because he’s a “fan”.
I thought the match ended 3-1???
@RedBorneo
Dela was childish to say stfu, but nothing more.
For me both parties are correct, Giggs shouldn’t come on, and we shouldn’t be complaining.
That’s it, why to argue for the sake of arguing. WE WON DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
ooooooo robin van persieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee……….. ooo robin van perseieeeeeeeeee…
It’s great cause this win reflected that for the city win. we didn’t drop points / which I never expected and now we can concentrate with a 6 points lead. Defence will be solved, vida is back.
Let’s concentrate in the more obvious, ashley young is firing uP!!! best winger at the moment hats off, carrick is a beauty and he needd clevs or ando with him or both. Smalling and Jones are GOLD, Rio is a legend and DDG is saving oru asses game after game PRAISE HIM!!
RVP is RVP and Rooney back to his best. The thing is how do we get Valencia the terminator back to perform? When Nani comes back? when Kagawa comes back? or ist it the rafael Valencia combo the best?
CMON!!!!!!!!
@Mahesh –> Yep, you are dead right. it is speculation. And so is any conceivable outcome outside of the actual outcome. The difference is I’m confident we’d have dealt with it if it happened because we’ve found what we needed FAR more often than not this season. But yes, you are right, I’ll admit that the scenario in my head is speculation, will you also admit it?
Red Robin – yes he is, and he is a complete joke, especially when he has been completely owned by the player himself, rooney you tucked that idiot up a treat
Dela
Shinji The Ninja is most probably has changed his username already. I’m not surprised he is behind one of the negative comments.
FITB
Right mate. Rooney made him change his username!! LOL
nothing more to say, we won, 3 pts picked up, 6 pts regained, GD remains the same. Nothing new to really debate about, one thing we can talk about, is? united regaining that dominance at OT, and for the first time since 2007, we have a very fluent attacking side that can score for fun, at all angles, our away performances at the big sides showed this, even shitty’s defense could not hold back this united attack. and the front 3 of young rooney RVP really has been an stunning trio to watch
@Dela: precisely my point – its all speculation…but the simple fact is neither us, nor the manager, nor the players would want to be in a position where we went to 3-2. So to put ourselves in a position where that looked like happening means something went wrong somewhere. There is nothing wrong in pointing that out, which many people here did. We showed our best for much of the game, but risked that good work in a few minutes of switching off. Look at that S’land goal again and tell me there wasn’t something really wrong there!
Right, on the “stfu” comment, if people are really actually.. seriously.. offended by “stfu”.. on the Internet of all places… then I apologize. It just doesn’t feel right when you have to defend a winning team seconds after the final whistle. It definitely doesn’t feel right when you have to do it repeatedly on a Man United blog. Everyone has a right to post whatever they want here, I never said they didn’t, and I know we have some problems in the squad at the moment, it just irks me that some people came on here to criticize right away without even mentioning that we won. But ye.. fair enough.. I’m sorry if I overreacted.
@ Dela
If you have a problem with what people have to say on here, you have the right to gtfu!! No one is forcing you to read other people’s opinions, and that’s basically what these comments are, OPINIONS! Anyways, to each their own, this conversation is hardly worth the time of day. And regardless of what you feel, the rest of the fans will continue to speak their mind. You’re entitled to disagree and say so, but no1 is going to stfu just because you say so. That us just typical keyboard warrior talk!
Anyways, top of the league with 6 points, and Cleverley on the scoresheet. And I must say I was impressed by Jones and Young once again.
As far as I can remember, Mahesh has never satisfied with United winning. You can read his posts on older thread.
I thought Young was suppose to be so shit that he is the worst signing ever?
@Mahesh –> Sure mate, of course their goal was bloody ridiculous and when it happened i shouted “FFS” or something to that effect, just like everyone else here, and no it wouldn’t have been desirable to go down to 3-2. I guess where we differ though is I just could not see a scenario where we weren’t coming away with all three points from that game, and trust me, there have been more than a few this season where I was EXTREMELY relieved to hear the final whistle, and in games where it shouldn’t have happened, so don’t think I welcome having to stumble over the line either, I’m just trying to keep things in perspective of where we are right now etc. If we were six points off the top and showed no urgency I’d be like a dog!
@RedRobin: You’re an idiot. I’ve been on here longer than you have, and probably been supporting United longer than you have. So what you think of me, really doesn’t affect me one bit!
@Dela: Fair enough mate. I didn’t see us losing either, or dropping points, but its happened before from this kind of a situations (remember Everton last season?!) so I never enjoy the sight of us letting our grip over a game loosen.
@Marq –> Yep, Young was the subject of serious abuse here for a while. Not surprising though. Nani was the same. He was playing very poorly, just bad bad form and couldn’t find his stride, and it was disappointing but you know he has the talent. Yet on here there was a shit load of “sell him” demands and just vitriolic bullshit… but then when he wasn’t in the team for a few weeks there was complaints that he’s better than Young and so on.. WTF? But ye, football.. bloody hell
Gotta laugh at Liverpool. Each manager of theirs seems to be more obnoxious than the one before – Watching Rodgers get stuffed does please me a great deal! Finish second indeed!
What an argument come from Mahesh the genius. LOL
The truth is Mahesh was hoping it to be 3-2 or 3-3. So, he can bash United some more. I saw him laughing when United were 2-0 or 3-0 down in another match.. I forgot which game..
@WeAreRed –> Are you breaking up with me?
Thanks for the invite for me to “gtfo” but nah, I’m part of the furniture here so I think I’ll stick around
and I’ll keep posting my opinions too, just as you will, and you can say whatever you like about them and even tell me “stfu” and I won’t cry about it because I’m not too weak to deal with free speech 
@RedRobin: That solitary brain cell that you (hopefully) possess is on strike is it?
And yes, LOL @ Liverpool. I had a good chuckle when I read that Brendan Rodgers was talking about finishing second on the back of their recent form, then to see them get slapped 1-3 at home is just like icing on the cake.
Wow what a strange league we have the past few years. The traditional top 4 is completely gone now. It’s a “top 2″ league now… does that make anyone else sad? or is it just me?
Ironically I miss fearing Arsenal and Liverpool, and when Chelsea became a force to deal with. City just… it’s just not the same.
Haha is that all you can say?
What an argument!
@Dela: Mate, at least we’re not watching the la Liga – that is a two team league if there is any (though not this season by the looks of it). Chelsea will always be in contention though, purely because of the money they spend, and they do have a good squad on paper. But yep, this is becoming a 3 team league…
@RedRobin: I haven’t seen a half intelligent “argument” from you, EVER! And a word of advice: when two reasonable people are having a discussion/debate, morons are best off keeping to themselves. Settle down, or might reveal the true depths of your stupidity. Now shove off!
@ Dela
We’re good mate.. Its all for the love of the club, things can get heated over the smallest of things. Shows that the fans are passionate about the club, and we support it in different ways
Mahesh says:
…The fact is our performance dropped pretty alarmingly, and when 3-0 becomes 3-1 and then 3-2, you never want to be in that position! …
This is a very stupid argument. We were pushing forward after Sunderland goal and when Giggs came in. The match ended at 3-1. Where is the “fact of our performance dropped” coming from??
Mahesh
I still remember you were laughing when United were behind. I will dig the older threads and find your comment.
@Mahesh –> True about La Liga yep, I guess what I miss just a few seasons ago, u knew there was 6 MASSIVE games to play in the league that could have a huge impact on the outcome.. liverpool home and away, chelsea home and away and arsenal home and away (though to be fair, Fergie just eventually got to a place where he beat Wenger mentally…).
Now when you look at 2013…. I’m not concerned about Chelsea coming to Old Trafford. I’m not concerned about Liverpool coming to Old Trafford. I’m not concerned about going to the Emirates and even the City fixture doesn’t have the same “OH WOW THAT’LL BE HUGE” feeling as the Chelsea fixture did weeks before it in 2011. That’s even after Chelsea had gone through some really bad patches around November 2010.
Maybe things will spice up though. On paper, Chelsea do have a good side but with all the circus shit going on behind the scenes there, I’m not sure they’ll mount any kind of challenge, not with FSW anyway, though I could be wrong.
I remember when Murinho was asked about the comparisson between his Chelsea, and Carlo Ancelotti’s Chelsea in the 2009/2010 seasons (when Chelsea last looked really dangerous) and Mourinho gave the best answer he could have…
I’m paraphrasing.. but he said basically.. “You can’t compare my Chelsea to his Chelsea…. because you can’t compare my Man United to his Man United… you can’t compare my Arsenal to his Arsenal….. you can’t compare my Liverpool to his Liverpool…” and that was so true, because Mourinho was refering to the strength of that top 4. You couldn’t break into it, they scrapped with each other for dominance and since then…. Arsenal fell off altogether with Wenger seeing his best players get on a plane and being short changed by the board there…. Chelsea have only had that spell under Ancelotti that I felt was anywhere near comparable and even we have seen a lot of changes for the worse… losing hargraves to that shocking knee condition… Tevez to City (still a CUNT)…. Ronaldo to Real Madrid… Giggsy and Scholesy have gotten older and are slowing down dramatically and so on. But of course we accept the City challenge and it will be nice to overcome this season
Which I’m very confident we will, btw 
@RedRobin:
Did you even watch the game? You know what, you think my argument is stupid, go listen to SAF’s post match interview…Here’s what he said: “For an hour we were fantastic. Some of our football was very good and we could have scored lots of goals. But I don’t know what happened after that because Sunderland could have had two or three towards the end, it could have been embarrassing. I don’t know if we were relaxed or Sunderland picked up the baton 20 minutes from time.”
Now go ahead and call him “stupid,” and please stop harassing me with your own stupidity…
@RedRobin: Oh, and go ahead with the digging. You are one paranoid, obsessive little twerp aren’t you. Do you have nothing better to do with your life?! Unbelievable…
@WeAreRed –> Yep, it’s all good, football can bring out emotions pretty well but it wears off eventually
At the end of the day, we all support the club for the same reason… sheer Love 
@Dela
EXACTLy, Ironically I miss fearing Arsenal and Liverpool, and when Chelsea became a force to deal with. City just… it’s just not the same.
And that Mourinho quote is spot on, but it doesn’t mean it’s a weak league, cause now we have everton, tottenham challenging and wining big games, + city, arsenal and chelse. As for liverpool, well in the derby it’s a tough one, but they can’t be looked as challengers.
They finish second.
@Dela: True that – barring City no other fixture is as intimidating as it used to be, and I do miss that in a sado-masochistic way…haha! But I think what still keeps the premier league competitive is that even if we don’t have that top-four dynamic any more, on their day the likes of Everton, Norwich, and Wigan (and pretty much any team) can take points off the top clubs…
Fantastic performs though bringing g scholes and gigg’s on? Maybe after scoring 5!. Some debating going on here re not scoring g more a d I think it’s a fair point. Fantastic win but theses switched off a d concieded. Games like this are where we should up the GD. That’s what city did last season. We need to do the same. Different opinions ALL reds . Don’t fight amongst ourselves .
@WeAreUnited & @Mahesh
I suppose I should be careful what I wish for
I just have so many fond memories at this point. Plenty of bad ones too, but with United, when we have a battle to overcome, it feels SO incredible when it happens. That RvP winner last week was a massive moment, there wasn’t a United fan on earth who could contain the jubilation, and that’s because ever since that game last year that we don’t speak of, and then that stupid fucking attempt to not concede there at the end of the season, we needed to show them our power and that was the BEST way we could have done it, to show them that even on their turf, even after shipping 2, we’ll still fight for it in injury time with the entire City crowd SURE they were going to get a third… even though it meant as we pushed forward that we were risking exactly that happening… that’s why it was a special moment.
But even at that, it still wasn’t the same feeling for me as many others from the past.. not that I’m demeaning it. For example, I remember being a teenager, sitting in the pub with my brother and friends… when Jerzy Dudek had that horror moment and gave the ball to Forlan, and how INSANE everyone in the pub went (well, every United fan). Then,. no time at all after sitting down….. FORLAN!!! and suddenly you’re 10 ft tall for a split second all over again. Such a magic moment that our fans STILL sing about it. We waited so fucking long for that. It’s always nice to shut up scousers
They talk soooo much… I’m sure nobody has a problem with me telling them to just STFU, right? 
@WeAreUnited,
I’m not complain, its just a worries. Didn’t to see united repeat same mistake.
WE MUST BE A CHAMP20N DAMN IT..!!!
@ DELA,
Hey Dela.. look at me dear, here i say NICE ONE WE WON, WE’RE SIX POINTS CLEAR..!!
Sorry if not a FIRST REACTION..
LOOOLL…
Mahesh
What match did you watch? It was a sloppy defending that allowed the goal as Vidic just came in, not because United dropped their performance like you said.
You deleted some of Fergie comments saying that “maybe because Sunderland were trying to push forward”. They were trying to push forward but they didn’t make it. The game ended 3-1 ffs!! I said that you are stupid, I never say Fergie is. And , how could you using Fergie comments after you slate him and his decisions FFS?? Such an idiot.
@RedRobin: Oh man you’re back…sigh…First, I deleted nothing – “picked up the baton” means push forward, but with your intelligence I can see how you missed that…Second my point still stands – even SAF agrees that we were very vulnerable in the last 20 mins. I (and many here) argue its because the changes that we made. You on the other hand are too blind or incompetent to see that we were vulnerable to being scored against in the last 20 mins. I wonder who the idiot is. You can pick what you are, here are your options: blind, incompetent, or plain stupid…Now since you won’t stop plaguing me with your idiocy, I think for my own sanity, I’ll see myself out. Go read a book or something, someday you might be able to make an intelligent argument worthy of debate…
Mahesh
Long sentences does not make you a genius Mahesh. I still stand with my point, It was not due to United dropping performance. Should United performance was dropping like you said, Sunderland would have scored more. It was 3-1 game.
I pity your genius thoughts. You should read more like you said. LOL genius my ass!
“We don’t pick out Robin van Persie’s runs as well as we should – his movement is great and he kept them on the back foot.”
he’s right, but I think we are getting there
Why were Carrick and Cleverley taken off ?.
As soon as Carrick went off we lost a measure of control. Cleverley couldn’t keep making his runs because that would leave Scholes isolated. Then when Cleverley went off we had no midfield.
You could tell by the play and body language of the wide players (including fullbacks) that they didn’t trust putting the ball through the middle.
Carrick and Cleverley were magnificent and their link up for the goal and the finish was stunning.
Shame Fergie saw a good performance as too boring and decided to make it interesting.
* fuck the rest of the team and issues this shit has to stop.
Some miserable fckin gits on here.
Also – the Sunderland goal had nothing to do with Giggs and Scholes, so stop blaming them, the wings also tailed off second half and so did the defence.
I am getting sick of coming on here are hearing all you whining bitches just complain and acomplain and blame the manager and bitch about this and that
We fckin won. We scored 3 great goals. Vidic is back. Shut the fck up and rejoice. Scholes has been fantastic for us at times this season he has been a key man, Giggs is useful in helping close games out. Do you think you know better than the manager? Fools.
Don’t see why Scholes and Giggs are getting stick,if Rooney puts away that sitter in the first would’ve been a cricket score,the game just fizzled into nothingness.Last 25 mins or so nothing to play for.Pleased to see Young playing well after all the fucking abuse he took on here,why the fuck is Tony V taking stick it’s only his second game back after a injury,he didn’t play badly even him at 75% makes a huge difference to the team,he brings so much shape and balance to Utd it’s not even funny,anyone who can’t see that well what can one say
Ice cube why don’t you just fuck off you’re nothing but a cunt,only show up to criticise,i agree with dela all you cunts whining and moaning after a 3-1 win fucking pathetic
NBI similar posts didn’t copy mate hadn’t refreshed and seen your comments
When it was Clev and Carrick the Sunderland midfield was given the run around and passed into oblivion. SHIT. They spent most of their time having Clev zipping past them making runs into the wider areas while Carrick was mopping up their rushed clearances starting attacks.
The second the midfield contained Scholes the Sunderland midfield were given time to play and when Giggs come on they were given the freedom of Old Trafford. They had time to do whatever they wanted.
The SECOND the subs happened this started.
Daniel88 you’re a fucking tool
… your rebuttal is ?.
Don’t need a rebuttal the game was already won to single out Scholes and Giggs makes you a tool,fucking idiot analyzing a game that was already in the bag fucking pointless just like the points you seem to want to make
… great points wayne. I must have forgot about the rule where teams cannot come back from 3-1 down.
Yeah well they didn’t and was never going to just like Liverpool didn’t or Newcastle in fact i’d like to know in the history of football how many teams have come back from 3-0, so to make points on hypotheticals makes your analysis even more ridiculous
Bringing off Carrick was an unnecessary risk. As sad as it is, we don’t have a plan B for when he goes missing. And it was evident by the amount of possession Sunderland started enjoying and how easily they were cutting open our midfield. Bringing off Carrick was bad enough but bringing off Tom immediately after they scored was even worse. And here’s what I don’t get. Why didn’t Fletcher come on for either player? Is he or isn’t he back?
I am not one to hate on any player and unlike some, I’ve never been hypocritical about it. Like Mahesh said, it’s the manager that got the decisions wrong. And yeah they weren’t costly, but a similar mindset could very well be down the line.
I’m sure Sir Alex knew the decisions wouldn’t be costly,i find people picking apart Sir Alex’s decision making when Utd are 3-0 completely absurd.Picking the team apart when they kick into cruise control 3-0 up beyond words.Just how many games in the history of the club have Utd blown a 3-0 lead at home
Honestly half of you fuckers don’t enjoy the football not happy unless you can find fault no matter what,just don’t fucking understand it
Anybody that watched the game knows what happened and why our performance dropped.
We wont be the best again with 38 and 39 year olds ….. FFS.
Why giggs why scholes, cmon!!!! Like we don’t have other player
Dela and wayne are spot on.
Games come thick and fast now,and no one is better than Fergie at getting the most out of his available squad at christmas. Every decision is made with a thought to getting the most out of the 5 games in 16 days.
He scores goals galore,
He scores goal..
He scores goals galore,
He scores goals,
He scores goals galore,
He scores goals,
Paul Scholes.. He scores goals..
@DreadedRed –> God damn right. People forget that Fergie is the proud claimant of 12 EPL trophies…. in the seasons that he didnt win it there’s one (or is it two?) where he finished below second. He’s the fucking boss. That’s why Murinho admits without a problem that he calls Fergie “boss”. There’s nobody like him. He has seen off opponent after opponent, and i guarantee you he will snatch the trophy from Mancini’s grip this season.
Some people here got really angry.. like literally angry… that he wasn’t playing Cleverley and Anderson. Then they got their reason why.. unfortunately. Anderson played less than two games and hobbled off injured, and that’s fucking horrible, for a guy who has such talent, he can’t seem to get any kind of decent run in the team. And Cleverley, he managed to start today but he also had a few scary moments of injuries this season. Now I cross my fingers and hope he stays in the team. Nobody wants either of those guys to succeed more than Alex Ferguson. They’re in the team because he wants them in there and for no other reason. Sir Alex is the one who is told the blunt truth by the physios with regard fitness and so on and he analyzes each player every game and training session. Based on that he makes his decisions before every game and the result is.. we’re six points clear and we’re in the last 16 of the champs league after topping our group after 4 games.
Nobody here feels more annoyed when we concede goals than him. It’s his team. His responsibility at the end of the day. He is the fucking BOSS. Had he not walked into the United job in the year of my birth, who the fuck knows what the last 26 years would have been like? I can tell you one thing with a lot of confident though, we wouldn’t have won 12 league titles.
I don’t understand why folks on here get so defensive about objective critique. The vast majority here are not going to change allegiances whatever happens but they’re still entitled to comment on what they see. SAF has been a once in a lifetime manager but it doesn’t mean people can’t question his decisions. People need to accept that constructive criticism is valid – like critique of bringing on Giggs and Scholes today. What did they bring to the team? Do we have nothing better to call upon than 38/39 year olds (with no disrespect to their marvelous prior contributions)? If not, what does this say about about the youth policy that SAF has built over the last 25 years? To me this is the issue – you can get emotive about individual players but SAF has responsibility for the entire playing side of club and in this sense it doesn’t reflect well on him that there is nothing else better to call upon.
@Dela
Of course Sir Alex is told the truth by physios. And I am pretty sure that he’s been aware of how much he can really depend on Anderson, Fletcher and Cleverlery for more than a year now. Why not buy another midfielder then?
David Gill at the World Club Cup.
LOL
Chelsea lost.
IN RAFA WE TRUST !!!
@Costas –> He bought Shinji Kagawa and Robin van Persie in the summer, so I’d say he simply didn’t have the funds to make another high profile midfield acquisition. I think Kagawa will be brilliant when he gets back to full fitness and gets used to the pace and physical demand of the premier league.
Its such a shame really because after a few games at the start of last season, we really looked strong in midfield… and well… all over the pitch, but as soon as Cleverley was taken out by that prick davies, and anderson started struggling, it all went downhill very fast.
I too, long for a day when we only seem to suffer long injury layoffs at the same rate as our rivals, and when we can keep a consistent starting 11 for long runs of games. Oh the possibilities! LOL
@ForeverRed –> I don’t have a problem with constructive criticism at all, but I do get tired of nothing but negativity as opposed to pointing out anything good, like the fact that we won the game by 2 goals. But ye, I won’t go into that again, I already had a long debate with a few users about that on this thread
As for the substitutions. Carrick went off at half time which is highly irregular and would suggest Carrick might have felt a strain or something and Fergie decided “fuck this”, i’m not losing you now too and told Paul Scholes to get ready. Later on, the substitution of Rio for Vidic was just to get the Serb back onto the pitch FINALLY, give him some time. As for Cleverley for Giggs, it’s not a secret that Tom has some fitness problems, he came off a couple of times in the last few games to injury, and with Ando already out, I think it was just a calculated risk from Fergie. Games coming thick and fast over the next few weeks, we can do without injuries right now. Why he didn’t bring on Fletcher instead though I don’t know, maybe he was thinking of the next game in case Carrick might not make it and Fletch will replace him? There was no other midfielder on the bench.
Better still why not buy Two midfielders because we need them badly.
Michael Carrick – Tom Cleverley … started versus Sunderland.
OK
We need other players to replace them because they will become fatigued.
OK
We know Anderson is injured but where is Fletcher ?.
The want and need to reply on long past their best legends who simply cannot compete anymore is fucking astounding. They couldn’t compete with a Sunderland midfield that was given the run around for over an hour before they came on.
TIMES NEED TO CHANGE ! ! !.