Since joining Manchester United, David de Gea has been under an incredible amount of pressure to perform, with every mistake scrutinised. Whilst other goalkeepers, like Joe Hart or Pepe Reina, have been guilty of several mistakes too, they tend to be brushed under the carpet. It’s the popular thing to do to have a go at De Gea.
This was taken to another level on Monday when Gary Neville went in to great depth looking at Spurs’ late equaliser. Whilst De Gea certainly has to take some of the blame for not doing enough to make sure he punched the ball well clear, he wasn’t the only one at fault. Rafael’s poor positioning allowed the cross to be delivered in the first place, whilst it was Nemanja Vidic who was blocking the goalie from making clean contact with the ball. Had Vidic not been in the way, De Gea could have dealt with the cross far more easily. Still, Neville opted not to mention these factors, and instead showed and slow motion replay of the “look” Vidic gave De Gea after the goal.
Both Andy Cole and Michael Owen, amongst others, took to Twitter to voice their opinion that the criticism was too harsh, which Javier Hernandez endorsed.
Whilst no one is arguing that De Gea shouldn’t be criticised when he makes a mistake, the levels it gets to now are out of control. Spurs could and should have scored two or three goals on Sunday and would have done if not for De Gea’s exceptional saves, but they are all forgotten.
With every man and his dog giving their opinion on De Gea’s situation at the moment, our Spanish keeper has spoken out on his feelings on his position in the squad.
“From the moment I signed I considered myself the first-choice keeper at the club but it’s down to the manager,” De Gea told the Daily Mirror. “He rotates us when he feels it’s good for the team. But obviously I’ve played a few on the bounce now and that’s positive. For a goalkeeper it’s always important to have consistency and to be playing regularly. It’s good for confidence and morale.”
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Supporting De Gea all the way. Wouldnt hurt though to sneak in a few steroid jabs into that Carrington complex for his benefit.
I have been impressed with the way De Gea has managed to withstand the presure of critism so far. Hope he wont let it get to his head since for the first time the critics are being led by none other than REDNEV.
DDG is only 22 years old. He will learn from any mistakes he may be making. As I have said before the whole team was to blame for the equaliser. All they had to do was play keep ball and close the game out.
And now watch Linde start against Fulham, lol.
The media are trying to destroy this poor boy’s career. He is 22 and has had to carry the best team in the world on his shoulders while the defense has been a shambles.
If it wasn’t for him last season, the title race wouldn’t have even been close if not for him and yet he cannot do anything right by those who want to see him fail.
If he is as good as he is at 22, imagine how good he will be in a couple of years. He is our #1, end of story!
for a lad of 22 he seems unfazed by the snipers im sure the lad will cement his place as our no 1 with a good back in linegard
We clearly owe it to the lad for the 5 point cushion that we are enjoying right now. I am sure he is going to add to it and not allow even a single point to be deducted from it in the coming games. GGMU…
Also, there are big rumors round the net saying that the Barca keeper Valdes is coming to united after this season. I hope that is completely false and he is going to join Bayern with Pep.
Good write up Scott. Well said.
Neville was shocking. Sorry, but his statements were way out of line for me. Fair would have been to point out that De Gea did make the clearance, and the defense failed to get out and close down the ensuing ball.
What is insane from many pundits is the double standard. Joe Hart actually lost City the game v Sunderland and has had a rather rocky season as well. But nothing is said.
DeGea did his part, the outfield had many chances to keep the ball away from our goal all together. From some perspectives we could have been 2-1 down at that point except for a couple brilliant saves that Lindegaard might not make. Piss poor from the Gazz for me.
Posted this yesterday on the other thread. Gordon Banks backs David De Gea and says Neville’s wrong! HA
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-england-world-cup-1551673
For me, De Gea is a superior keeper.
Given the inability of our midfield and defense to keep control of a game, and the number of shots on goal going up considerably in the last 2 years, I think we need a stopper of De Gea’s ability.
BayoRed says:
Supporting De Gea all the way. Wouldnt hurt though to sneak in a few steroid jabs into that Carrington complex for his benefit.”
I am just glad you are not employed by united. “sneak in steroids”, why not wrap up a Glue cake as a gift as wel.
@Samuel …. said in jest
Off topic:
ManUtd.com journalist Steve Bartram was a ballboy at Old Trafford when he was a kid. And although he was never kicked in the ribs, he did once incur the wrath of Steve Bruce (and, subsequently, the Old Trafford crowd) when he failed to return the ball quick enough. The incident still haunts him!
via Nick Chester (ManUtd.com)
Great story !
Speaking of goalkeepers, just read that Casillas will miss both games against United through a thumb injury.
Speaking of keepers. Mixed reports suggest that Iker Casillas may have fractured his thumb.
If confirmed, he could miss both CL games United.
Here is a video of the incident where he is kicked by his own defense. Game v Valencia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ydG2fJV54
Costas…. Cheers, just reading up on the incident as well. Seems original reports yesterday discounted a break. Not sure if this is just speculation by the Mirror or if there is a solid source.
Suprise, suprise. Media rehash old quote to keep a story running.
Confirmation in L’EQIPE of Casillas Injury.
Translation from french is that Casillas will miss 6 weeks. Back up keeper Antonio Adan will be in goal v United.
Adan has been credited with several howlers this season so this is potentially good news for the Reds.
lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Fracture-pour-casillas/344911
@Fletch
Thanks for the video mate. That had to hurt. I guess it all depends on whether he broke his thumb or not. If he did, I can’t see him being fit for the first leg. But the second one takes place in early March, so God know what his status will be for that.
Seeing Ben Foster’s example before us and how he would always become a bundle of nerves due to the criticism (not his fault – just the unfortunate pressure of replacing VDS as a United keeper), my respect for DDG has increased manifold! Top quality and great attitude as well. The only thing that os missing from his game right now is his physical build and how it prevents him to command the box as his own. But I’m sure Sir Alex is addressing this already.
I just hope DDG doesn’t turn out to be another Gerard Pique after gaining experience with us.
BREAKING: Welcome to the Club ZAHA:
Wilfred Zaha set for medical at United.
Palace will reportedly receive £10m up front, rising to £15m w performance
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21180202
Fucking spot on David. Just saying last night how disappointed i was in Gary.
Over tge top reactions and id hate it because i suspect so. Fergie looking to offload.
Howard was given more of a chance than David and so was barthez.
Differenxe is David is miles ahead of those two at 21 and will be when he ia 25. Cant believe United fanw are being so easily goaded into an ABU fly trap.
I dont blame DDG an iota for ua dropping two points. If the team took rhe concept od posseasion more seriously maybe we’d have let the lane with 3 points. Instead according to gaz DDD will be getting it from his team mates. Really? Valencia will open his gob and say what? Ir roonwy would chine in with what exactly. Or Rios feevle attempt on the line will grant him a go.Give me a break.
Damn staight David. You are our No 1
For how long? He’s been good, but still not imposed himself at the back to become a VDS or Schmeichel
What irritates me is that GNeville, our legend, instead of bringing other things into account, he goes and points out DeGea, who should have done better, but there were more in that situation than meets the eye. Secondly he tries to implie that our players have a grudge against DDG after that.
GNeville has been there inside that locker room, and that’s more of a reason why he should keep his mouth SHUT, because he’s making us look stupid and the ABU’s loves it.
JUST watch that Next time GNev will make an inside tour to OT by filming what is happening there, just that people would like him as a pundit. Why not talk about JoeHart ( though we know the reason)
good luck for them that are jumping on this DeGea’s critisism bandwagon, cause they have a lot of years in front of them, a good 6-10 years, depending when Barca will come and catch him.
peace,
15million is a lot of money!! Arent we being overcharged? Who else would pay that much for an unproven talent?
??? My comments????
Seems Ive been censored!
I only hope that if and when we do sign Zaha that the lad doesn’t go and play for Ivory Coastm cause then we would always lose him for the Africon.
I think if we sign him, SAF will say to him that he should play for England if he wants to become one of the best.
We are united
He’s made his ingurland debut if I’m not mistaken
he made it in a friendly match, does it count?
I think he has still the right to choose. no matter what, if he comes, I hope he chooses England for the sake of ours.
I hated when we had to leave Park and now Kagawa when it comes his time.
we’ll see.
£10m up front it seems, which I would say is a pretty good deal for us. That’s not a lot of money at all, considering the prices you normally have to pay for young British players.
The remaining £5m is add-ons….i.e if he achieves certain things (X number of appearances, goals, medals). If he achieves them, then that extra £5m is well spent is it not?
But has he signed on the dotted line, coz the BBC story doesnt quote anyone?
worth every penny he is class
Disagreed a bit with Neville. Sure, they stared at him but I would’ve liked DDG to become possessed by Schmeichel and shout at Vidic for blocking him and affecting his ability to punch it. Or have a go at Rafael for a sloppy mistake. There’s usually many errors leading up to a goal and I don’t think it’s fair DDG seems to get most of the blame.
We have the league’s best player in RVP and we didn’t get any service to him. We’ve not beaten Spurs in either league match for the first time in over 20 years. The last two games we’ve been clinging on, and we’re meant to be a side who end matches strongly.
theadamsegal says:
“The media are trying to destroy this poor boy’s career.”
Spot on. Joe Hart makes lots of mistakes but he’s, at worst, unfortunate when he cocks up. He also has weak points like shots down to his left and has poorer reflexes and is worse with his feet than DDG but the media seem to think he’s the best in the world: better than Buffon, Neuer, Casillas etc.
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Neville should remember when he played before using the players reaction to decide that DDG is at fault. I seem to recall a certain Big Danish goalkeeper blaming Neville and co for every goal that went in even when it was his own howler. Also Keane would blame everyone but himself.
So using an initial responce isn’t really a good indication and he should know that. And let’s be honest 2 of the players he said were blaming. DDG were just as responable for the dropped points, Vidic impeded DDG without making any real attempt to deal with the cross and Welbeck’s lack of composure wasted a number of excellent chances to score.
BayoRed says:
“15million is a lot of money!! Arent we being overcharged? Who else would pay that much for an unproven talent?”
Maybe if you doubled the fee to £30million Liverpool would take an interest.
And we payed similar amounts for Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani.
Let’s be honest, if we had scored another goal this discussion wouldn’t be taking place. DDG kept us in the game at 1-0. It nearly came off but there must be some players having a good look at themselves and thinking “Did I play to the best of my ability?” Most of them did, but there were a few exceptions.
The former Sky pundit, who works for radio station talkSPORT, said on air yesterday: “I think he was sent out with an agenda. I don’t think Gary would have done that had he not been told, ‘Listen, finger him’. I don’t think you can nail a goalkeeper in that way.”
Keys also believes that Neville cannot carry out his punditry work as well as be a coach for the England national team.
“I don’t think he can do both jobs,” Keys told the Daily Mail. “It will continue to compromise him. He’s also too close to Manchester United.”
Neville retired from football in 2011.
That qoute is from former Sky anchor Richard Keys
”Richard Keys questions Gary Neville “agenda” in Sky role”’
Crikey Ashley Young out for 4 weeks…..
There we go David. FIGHT BACK. You are the first choice keeper at this club. You will remain the first choice keeper at this club for the foreseeable future. They can’t just push you around. Love this lad’s spirit.
Speaking of young stars. I really think we might be going ahead with this Zaha Deal but 15 million pounds is too much. Hopefully that’s the cost of the whole deal plus his wages. Looking forward to seeing him out there next season. He’ll get better under Fergie.
Stay with him and you reap the reward. Hes a top player.
@jigpig
Source? If it’s the DM article, bear in mind that said article includes photos of Ashley at United’s training camp in Qatar this week…
The Zaha rumors continue to grow, now to a point that a medical is going to happen. Guess we will know if it is true once any paparazzi gets any photos outside the medical centre like they did for DDG
If DeGea shouted that he was going for the ball, than Vidic should have moved out of the way.
Quite often DeGea makes saves that few keepers would. In that match, Spurs would have equilised earlier if it wasn’t for him. Gary should look how many points we have won because of his saves.
Even if he really believed what he said, as an ex player and United fan he should have kept his fucking mouth shut and be more positive about our keper.
De Gea has the potential to a great goalkeeper.
When you play for United you are always under scrutiny and so every good or unbelievable save is just seen as a normal part of the job wearing the red colours but every ‘mistake’ is magnified by the press and some grumbling fans.
The lad has character and the best way to respond to the critics is on the pitch.
@Marq
Zaha’s on for sure. BBC don’t commit to something like that without it being true. There’s not even the ‘BBC understands’ qualifier on their story. It’s on.
is it just me but I remember both Schmeichel and Van Der Sar at their prime, miss timing punches that led to us conceding a goal but were they slaughtered in the press? No.
I feel there is an agenda to crush this kids’ career by sections of the press.
De Gea is an excellent keeper already and has the potential to join the ranks of great keepers like Van Der Sar, Schmeichel and Buffon.
For me DDG is first choice, and what’s more, I see him as one of the top goal keepers. He’ll only improve. People tend to forget the kid’s still 22. Give him a few more years, and we would have a real gem in our hands.
Zaha’s possible arrival could shake up our wings situation. I just hope the plan isn’t to replace Nani with him.
Separate thread here – do you think Hazard should be banned for the whole season (and some), as was King Eric?
WRT De Gea – excellent (probably the best) shot stopper since Schmeichel, and he is improving with his handling of crosses. A real winner!
FletchTHEMAN – I would like to see neville blame big pete, when the great dane made a few clangers during his time at united, oh wait I forgot, he was to busy putting neville in his place
Nah, Hazard won’t be banned for so long, he’d probably get a 1 match ban and that is about it. Only United players get bans that long
1) There is no problems with De Gea. Every keeper makes mistakes now and again.
2) Hazard banned for the season? WTF? It should be 3 games ban for violent conduct nothing more. And wth was the “kid” doing in the first place. Reading his twitter it seems as if he is mentally challenged though, so I guess it would be harsh to judge him.
3) Potentially £15m for a championship player? Bloody madness. You just have to look at the England national team to see that English talent is fucking rubbish. Something to think about: Isco’s buyout clause is around £20m.
http://football-talk.co.uk/73188/chelsea-transfer-news-blues-battle-for-17-6m-spaniard/
Fergie is the Boss <<< SPOT ON!
Diego – how do you know zaha will be rubbish? look at the money arsenal payed for walcott, and when they finally put him in the right position he is sensational. I bet everyone said we over-payed for carrick, look at nani, he done very little with sporting, yet united payed 18 million. What if Nani was English? and had the track record that he had with sporting, I bet you and many others would call him overpriced. All the club have done? is pay 10 million upfront, and 5 million extra pending on how he does. That is a very good price, and we need another winger, as our current wingers have not been great
if fergie gives up on DDG, then he is not the manager he once was, and I would seriously question his logic, on the names been banded about. DDG is easily a top 5 keeper, and far superior to hart
Fitb:
I can’t guarantee it, but it is an educated guess based on the fact that the English media overrates most of the young english players in hope that one every once in a while might actually be better than the average dross across the country. Carrick wasn’t a championship player and Nani had already played games for Sporting in the CL and won the Portugese cup. Zaha certainly isn’t a fix for this season either, as he probably will stay with Palace for the rest of the season.
Diego-I take it you have not seen him play, he is quality.
No, not live. Is he worth 10-15m though?
Sorry to say that G.Neville is talking nonsense & so call Manchester United legend.Analyze & give opinion not blaming on single person. The equalizer was at 90+3 minute so what we can see here that the attacking & midfield department have some serious issues.25 to 90 is about 65 minute. What they really do in 65min? And for GNev, there was a time that I really hate when see his name in the first 11 sheet. he should been sold long ago n not retired at Man Utd
@Diego:
10m may be a bargain these days.. heck even Allen cost 15m
But I don’t know if he’s gonna be a quality signing though, I don’t want to judge a player based on a youtube performance. He certainly looked good when playing against us, but I heard from a friend (his dad is a Crystal Palace fan) that often time he lost the ball too cheaply.. (suddenly an image of Nani came to mind).
It’s not £10-15m, the remaining £5m is add-ons. If he performs well enough for us to have to pay the extra £5m, then it means he’s worth it. If he doesn’t perform well enough for us to pay the extra £5m, then it’s all good coz we keep that money.
As I said earlier, if the up front fee is £10m, that’s a terrific deal for us. You very rarely get good young talent (particuarly British) for that cheap a price. I’m actually surprised we got such a low price….probably the fact that we agreed to loan him back for the rest of the season helped us.
Agree with f.i.t.b, totally bemusing suggestion to claim zaha is “rubbish”. the united scouts have obviously been watching him for a while and see the potential there, fergie would not approve of the deal without long term thorough check on zaha and i would agree with them, zaha is a superb talent who is hopefully ready for the step up into another level. Technically, he’s got quality and can improve. He’s known primarily as a winger but he’s flexible enough to play across the final 3rd (whether that be on the left, right or through the middle, probably he and nani are the most flexible) he has good dribbling ability, pace and is physically strong. He looks a confident player and has improved his decision making. I think fergie is recruiting the top younger players, knowing they have the ability to be main-stays in the team. Zaha, nick powell may have started their grade from the lower leagues but only a foolish human would assume that’s a negative, they have grafted and done things to aid their BayoRed says:
Supporting De Gea all the way. Wouldnt hurt though to sneak in a few steroid jabs into that Carrington complex for his benefit. technical proficiency. 10mill and the 5 depending on his development is not a bad deal, i tend to agree that english players can be over-priced but you have to analyse every individual solely, zaha has the potential and as ever, fergie has not shirked from taking risks.
I think it’s the typical mentality, when united want a player then he suddenly becomes crap, going by what the media have been saying, none of the united players are good enough.
@TheRadLegion: I heard from a friend (his dad is a Crystal Palace fan) that often time he lost the ball too cheaply.. (suddenly an image of Nani came to mind).
Tbf, I’ve only seen him play a few times so I can’t make a definitive judgement. But, if he does “lose the ball cheaply”….that’s not a concern at all. He’s not a central midfielder, whose role is to keep the ball.
He’s a winger, a flair player. His role is to be the risk taker and do something different, to create chances.
Agree with f.i.t.b, totally bemusing suggestion to claim zaha is “rubbish”. You’ve clearly have never seen him play, the united scouts have obviously been watching him for a while and see the potential there and i would agree with them, zaha is a superb talent who is hopefully ready for the step up into another level. Technically, he’s got quality and can improve. He’s known primarily as a winger but he’s flexible enough to play across the final 3rd (whether that be on the left, right or through the middle, probably he and nani are the most flexible) he has good dribbling ability, pace and is physically strong. He looks a confident player and has improved his decision making. I think fergie is recruiting the top younger players, knowing they have the ability to be main-stays in the team. Zaha, nick powell may have started their grade from the lower leagues but only a foolish human would assume that’s a negative, they have grafted and done things to aid their
technical proficiency. 10mill and the 5 depending on his development is not a bad deal, i tend to agree that english players can be over-priced but you have to analyse every individual solely.
I think it’s the typical mentality, when united want a player then he suddenly becomes crap, going by what the media have been saying, none of the united players are good enough.
Wilf is a great player! He has 2/3 players man marking him every game in the championship, imagine what hes going to do when he isnt an oppositions main priority. Not to mention he basically tore our entire starting line up a new arsehole on his own when he played us a couple of years ago. Last player that done that at a young age was CR7… Who in my opinion im still convinced is coming back in the summer
It seems as though you guys are judging him by fifa ratings, if it wasnt for uniteds mentoring skills cr7 would never have become the player he is. They told him to start using his head for goals and the following season after that advice he scored 8/9 headers.. Not to mention his lack of passing until SAF spoke to him about it. Its this mentoring that will produce zaha into one of the best wingers in the country (possibly world)
… Or he could flop
De Gea should see himself as first choice, and tbf so should Lindy! Its supposed to be a fight to the death anyway. Fergie can’t guarantee anybody a place and so he shouldn’t. May the best Goalkeeper win.
Welcome aboard Zaha.
I’ve barely seen him on the pitch, just heard the reports about him being this, that and the third. 15m for a 5 year deal isn’t that much imo, esp when you consider how many were after him. Take away the “English premium” placed on domestic lads and 7-10 odd mill for a 20 year old with blatant potential isn’t bad at all. Lets hope he’s got the temperament to keep his head down and develop. He should be fighting for first team football next season. Nani, Young, Valencia, you’ve been warned! 3 wingers was never enough for our campaigns as we saw v Spurs. Not a bad acquisition.
Dan-young, you’re convinced Cristiano Ronaldo is coming back this summer? You’re going to e disappointed. Just where are we going to find the 100 million or so to stump up for him then? I’ve not seen much of Zaha apart from YouTube videos which you can’t judge anyone on. Hopefully we can bring the best out of him if he’s as talented as some would have has believe.
Diego – foreign players are over priced now, we payed 3 million more for zaha, than javier hernandez, who played in mexico, which is probably a league that not many clubs look into for players who are 23 24. The prices for players in benfica sporting etc etc, are going at the going rate of 32 million. Zaha has got as much potential has many other young player, english of foreign. I have said we need to pump new blood into the defense and engine room, we need to find fresh new blood out wide, as its a stale area, and I am fully embracing an exciting new talent in zaha. Bale cost 12 million from southampton, now he is worth 60 million, going by tottenham’s logic. So it shows, UK talent is a gold mine, if you find that special gold nugget
Joffrey Baratheo – real madrid are not in a strong position, has ronnie is in his final 2 years of his contract, at most they will be lucky to get 60 million. And united are spending on average, 60 million a year on players or more
His contract runs to january of 2015 .. So he will have a year and a half left, which lets be honest no one will buy a player of his price range in january so its basically a year as they wont want to allow it to run til he only has 6 months. I think 70/80 mil will get him back .. Big transfer fees now days are paid over a number of years so 4 years of £20 mil isnt so bad for what were getting… Even if your valuation is correct, we will get £100 million just from prize money for winning the league, which we are on course to doing, not to mention the many millions we are going to get from our new kit sponsors and a new, upgraded kit deal with nike.
Think there’s no question DDG has a lot of upside but no one can deny his strength and crosses have been his weakness since day one.What I don’t understand is he still looks the same don’t see any increased muscle at all.No point in burying our heads in the sand playing in the prem not being able to command the 6 yard box is a major flaw and will continue to be exploited.
Looking back Utd should have signed a experienced goalie last year it would’ve taken a lot of pressure of DDG and given him a chance to develop without being under a microscope
Well said fitb .. Not to mention the fact united have a guarantee with all the people that bought shares that we will be spending at least £50 million gross on transfer fees every year. Glad to see its not only me that kept away from the band wagon on this one.
Not to mention the change in tax laws in spain and ronaldo publicly claiming to be unhappy
Wayne, the reason goalkeepers are at their best when they approach their early 30′s is due to experience, so making de gea our number 2 will just waste the opportunity of having a young world class keeper in a few years. As for muscle,your kidding right? Hes much more built up and is getting much better at defending his 6 yard box
DDG is a diamond in the rough. Once we finish smoothing out the rough edges and get him polished up he will sparkle brilliantly. Many ABU don’t want to see that! The boy was brilliant in keeping Bale and Dempsey off the scoresheet early. On Bale’s shot you can see DDG falling to his right in perfect position to deal with the shot. It deflects off our defender, DDG’s eyes continue to track the ball as it now is moving to his left, he slows his fall and gets his left boot in to deflect the shot away. His speed of thought reaction saved our bacon. As has happened many, many times.
DDG has noticeably bulked up and is getting more confident in directing the defense.To me he is the clear Number One. His future remains bright!
Regarding Neville, he is quite human and that means he will get it dead wrong from time to time at the very least. In this case I think he was harsh on DDG but I can understand why. DDG’s punching of the ball MUST improve. I think Neville’s finally lost patience with DDG’s weak punching and his ingrained defender’s DNA has caused him to rip into DeGea.
We are sensitive to Neville’s comments but that is to be expected. I think Neville was intentionally hard on DDG to make a point. Hopefully it will all blow over soon.
Dan-young sorry disagree considering he’s been with the club a season and a half see very little improvement,Spurs on Sunday was a prime example not commanding at all and flapped at several crosses.Goalie has to be strong enough to go through defenders and strikers to get the ball DDG isn’t even close to that.Completely disagree he’s still very young,goalies go on till 40 so been brought along for a few years behind a quality experienced goalie would have been the best course imo would’ve taken all the pressure off
De Gea is 22, keepers start reaching their peak ability at say 30. That is all.
DeGEa will do a Ronaldo, he was accused of everything and after the accusing reached its boiling pooint in the world-cup, he rose from it and became the best in the world.
I think it will be the same case, after all DeGEa is 22, and for a goalie that is amazing. HE has won Alot on that age. Tell me one 22 old keeper who has won what DeGEa has and cup competitions tournaments. HE als ohas played on those finals, and he’s onyl been what 19-20. So imagine him after 2-3years, when he’s 24-25!
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Fitb:
Fair enough, but surely we aren’t looking at selling the few players that actually turn out great.
I always said that bore than De Gea it was rafael to be blamed for the equaliser . Agreed that he won the ball but with 1 minute of injury time remaining to be played who would go for a counter attack when you are leading 1-0 ? In doing so he lost the ball at that deadly position and was not in a position to defend the cross.
“Tell me one 22 old keeper who has won what DeGEa has and cup competitions tournaments”
I see one major senior trophy there, the Europa League. Well, Barthez won the Champions League & French League when he was around 21 and had practically won the lot by the time he joined us and what a player he turned out to be for us
David will be world class ,,,,, and as for the neville comment he should watch the scmichle comment on the goals we have conceded this year ,,,,he was spot on the man peter.s he said that united are defending too deep this season as so inviting crosses into the box,,,,hence goals we have conceded,,vidic and ferdinand are too old and slow to push up coz they dont have the pace to get back,
If we have to stop opponents from scoring we need to put jones and evens into the back four,,
And more news on eziqiul garay plzzzz is he good enough lots of speculation of him comming here ,,so what do u say about him,,,,,welcome zaha
@ahjs are you serious`???
Atlético Madrid –
UEFA Europa League (1): 2009–10
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2010
Manchester United –
FA Community Shield (1): 2011
These aren’t senior? And when Barthez came here he wasn’t 21? Was he??
DeGEa came here at the age of 20 mate! he wasn’t established yet.
So a bad comparison.
At the age of 20 he already had 3 trophies. Community shield was against City and his first game, we came victorious and against them it’s always serious.
Then you have those with Madrid. So yes, tell me one who has come to United at the age of 20 and won that much. 2 BIG trophies, which were for Madrid very important.
Schmichel, Barthez, Carroll, Howard, Vand Der Sar, and now DeGea. Only DeGea has comed at the age of 20 here with those kinda trophies, so YES he has value. Some are just blind for that.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2013/Jan/federico-macheda-set-to-join-stuttgart.aspx
Macheda to Stuttgart
let’s hope he gets finally his break on these loan spells!!
Sparkz – i think you summed up the role of the winger well, they are tasked to take more risks and continue to evolve in order to evade defenders, hence why they are likely to concede possession more often than any outfied player. I’ve applied this to nani several times, you hear people bang on about consistency but from wide-man point of view, they fluctuate in and out of games.
@samuel
yeah I found that also very interesting.
I would gladly want to know Sparkz opinion on Nani.
I hope he doesnt’ answer, yeah but Nani is 26 now.
The thing about Zaha is he’s another player who’s coming in and won’t be getting game time. Like Powell, Buttner and Bebe.
@WeAreUnited – I’ve been one of nani’s biggest supporters on here mate. I think he’s absolutely brilliant, and I don’t understand the stick he gets. People confuse unpredictability with inconsistency.
For wingers, I judge consistency by how many goals and assists they rack up by the end of the season. THAT’S their job.
How can Nani be called inconsistent when he’s got 40 assists and 25+ goals in the last 3 years. Ridiculous.
De gea is our number 1. we need defender and midfileders so don`t talk anything about de gea he is our number 1
@WeAreUnited
“are you serious`???”
I thought my wink at the end would make it obvious that mine was a light-hearted post and a bit of a joke but it seems to have really caused a reaction with you.
If I was making a serious point at all, it was that trophies don’t necessarily mean a player will be good for you: Barthez had won the lot and was arguably at his prime and was a disaster.
And twist words all you want, the Community Shield and Super Cup are glorified exhibition matches: they are not major trophies. And you just said young goalkeepers, you didn’t say young goalkeepers who had signed for Man Utd specifically – that’s a tiny, tiny group of players, a sample size too small to prove any point.
“so YES he has value. Some are just blind for that.”
I think most people, including me, have been very supportive of De Gea.
hello I am Back and still alive.
go DDG
RVP was so over priced according to so many accountants last year SAF was stupid to over pay for him?
10 mill with add ons for the best english talent!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKING YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey guyz of topic
Just seeing the news all over from past week that united are tracking and have made a bid for eziqiul garay ,,what do u say guys is he good enough to replace RIO ,,,,,please give your thoughts on this one
Wayne saw were you were talking to your self and mentioned Zibbie. Still loving Man Utd. Love how you troll and wurm kill!!!!!!!!
RVP and Vida get healthy at the right time CL !!!!!!!!!! My just happen!
5 points up!!!!
RVP!!!!
Rafa coming of age!!
Rooney hurt and back now!
COSTAS!!!! Saw your comment about Nani and hope this is not his end, think it might be SAF tried to sell him in the summer.
Zaha Waha, Yeha and Yabadaba DDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
What a team
What a club
What a Gaffer!!!!!!!!!!
5 points clear most point in PL at 22 games.
Pep to BM!!! SAF still next YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!
@ahjs
I didn’t get the wink
and I exagerated with the three question marks.
“If I was making a serious point at all, it was that trophies don’t necessarily mean a player will be good for you”
I agree with you, but in my opinion and in the DDG case it tells that he has experience of big games and will do good here, even though he is 22 and at that time he was 19. At the time of 19 a cup-final is a cup-final. It means alot for a young rising star.
“Tell me one 22 old keeper who has won what DeGEa has and cup competitions tournaments” I understand that you didn’t get it, cause I really though you would, anyway, let’s leave it,because now we know.
Well I am not twisting words, just that I believe those trophies counts. You could see for example this season when AMadrid won Chelski at the SuperCup and how important it was for them, and the same was with the team of DDG at that time
“so YES he has value. Some are just blind for that.” by this I meant some pundits and some bandwagon supporters that jump into it immediatelly. Not specifically you haha, cause I haven’t followed your comments that much.
and thank God alot of our supporters here sees DDG as a great goalkeeper.!! peace.
Red4ever
I saw Garay when he played for RMadrid, and he didn’t impress me, but then I didn’t follow hi mthat much.
Just remember his performances in the box and now.
I can see a clear developement.
I don’t give a fuck about what hacks like the Sun, Mail or Mirror say about him.
He’ll fuck all over them in a few years.
Fuck the ABU cunts!!
Wasn’t De Gea bought knowing that he is yet to be the finished article?The main thing about a young player is his improvement and as long as he is grooming I have no problem with him staring.
He has shown signs that he can be assertive in the penalty box this season and his decision making on crosses have improved.We have played with different CB s for the last couple of weeks and it is hard for a goalkeeper to maintain the same level of communication to each of them.
Goes without saying that we need to find a constant center back pairing.The sooner the better.
@Diego
The ‘Kid’ was doing his job, the same time wasting Ball kids at all clubs do both here and abroad. So he was wasting time when Hazard gave him a push, he may have then made a meal of it to waste more time and perhaps all he wanted to do was get the ball back but neither is an excuse to kick him. Unless ofc its now perfectly fine to kick Hazard everytime Chelsea are winning and he goes down easy and stays down to waste time
And Seriously lets look at some of the bans handed out then tell me that Hazard should only get 3 games
Assaulting a Member of the public (closest we have to this incident really)
Eric Cantona – 9 months
Assaulting an Official
Dicanio – 11 Matches
Prutton – 10 Matches
Batty – 6 Matches
Assulating a Fellow player
Barton vs City – 12 Matches
Barton against Team mate when at City – 12 Matches and 4months in Prison
Ben Thather Elbowing Mendes – 8 Games
Viera spitting at Ruddock 6 Games
Other Offence
Keane for revelations in his Autobiography – 5 Games (ontop of the 3 he got for the tackle at the time)
Vinnie Jones – 6 Months for doing commentary on a Football Dirty Tricks video
He deserves a double figure ban and perhaps even a ban lasting many months seeing as he assaulted not a fellow player or even an Official or for that matter even a paid member of staff but a member of the public who volenteered their time
@wayne
Problem is if they had signed an Experianced goalkeeper then would DDG have got the games he needed. The reason Hart has gone on to become a decent keeper (although not as good as the English media claim) is he got games. There have been young English keepers who looked better than he did as a young player such as Kirkland, Wright, Carson and Foster who have been hindered by moving to a bigger club only to act as backup and not get the games needed to develop the important skills that only 1st team games at a high level can bring to compliment their talents. DDG if behind an experianced keeper who would have never been any better than a backup keeper as by the time he reached the point where he was 1st choice he would have passed the point where he could learn the skills needed to fulfil his potential
@LoneStarRed
“I think Neville’s finally lost patience with DDG’s weak punching”
What Weak punching though? Its not like you could lineup 20 examples of weak punches from him. Its the same with the way that after his mistake against Newcastle where he should have pushed the ball wider that suddenlt everyone got on his back claiming he always does it when actually he is usually very good about getting it wide when its possible as he has very good hands, its usually only in exceptional circumstances (Such as Sturridges goal) where a shot has such power and he sees it late that its a struggle to even save it let alone direct it perfectly. In fact against spurs he had one of those where he was actually able to direct it enough that it made the followup chance very difficult and he was able to save it
@akanemo
Personally I think Valencia was more to blame than Rafa. Rafa wins the ball but it bounces behind him, he knows where Valencia is and where the spurs player is and assumes Valancia should get to the ball as he should do with ease which would have allowed a break to occur and time to be wasted. Valencia is asleep but still has time to recover from his mistake but stays asleep so doesn’t close the Spurs player down and allows an easy cross. Closing the player down would have made the cross harder and probally given Rafa time to get into position. Knocking off is Criminal of a player of Valencias quality especially when only a goal up
@UnitedFaithful
There has been a trend this season that the mistakes by DDG have often come when Vidic was playing and Vidic has been a direct cause of some of those errors. There seems to be a lack of understanding and trust between them which isnt the case with Evans for example.
Vidic needs to put more trust in his abilities so as not to get in his way (after all Vidic is built like a Brick so even the strongest keepers will struggle if he gets right under them) and the two of them just need more time to build an undertanding
What’s with the judging players ability/potential by the number of trophies? They have no relationship with one another whatsoever
@ Wakey.
An understanding MUST be hammered out between Vidic and DDG and that has not happened yet. The sooner the better. I agree with you on that.
Zibbie good to see you back mate hope everything is good did you make the move
Wakey hi mate he wouldn’t have been a backup Utd paid 20 mill for him but having a old pro would’ve taken a lot of media pressure away and given him a chance to adapt.
He’s a top quality shot stopper but hasn’t taken command of the defense or the box and its still a problem,doesn’t have any confidence in those areas,that’s the reason the defense is conceding to many goals
@ Wakey
Yes I CAN line up 20 examples of DeGea’s weak punching of the ball ! He has improved but still has a way to go. And remember I still think he should start .
@ Zibbie
Welcome Back !!
@Marq
Of course it does not have to do alot, but when you talk about a 22 old keeper who was 19 or 18 when he won those tittles and by playing in goal, it tells alot.
But foremost it tells that he has experience of big games and will do good here. Nothing more.
It’s a different story, if a player not a goalkeeper has the CL medal but didn’t play even 1 match.
DeGea was in goal at the age of 18-19 when he won those, so it tells, that the lad was ready at the very young age and has the ability to become of of the greatest!
nothing more mate! peace.
@wayne
I can’t see your reasoning tbh. Who exactly are your proposing should have been signed as an old pro to act as backup? Either you are looking at a keeper who provides no real competition and I’m not sure how that really would help him or its someone who is good enough to be #1 in which case why would they sign to be second fiddle and if they did how would it bring any less pressure as anytime he made a mistake which at his age he would everyone would be saying “X should be playing” and he would constantly have that hanging over his head.Certainly that seemed like a major issue for Foster, knowing he had to be faultless when Edwin was injured it seemed to get in his head. Until that string of games he looked decent when he got a chance to play but its not good for a keeper knowing its now or never.
There is a reason United didn’t sign him sooner so he could settle in as a backup for a season and that same reason is why they didn’t start actively recruiting a new starting keeper until Edwin decided he was quitting (Seems clear Lindegard was signed with the intention of being a number 2 as he was signed before Edwin had decided)
wakey
Great post mate.
DDG will be more confident once he gets to know his defenders well.Thats all the more reason to have a constant defense in front of him.About his parrying it goes both ways I think defenders should also shoulder some of the blame.The one most worrying aspect is our defense goes to sleep far too many times.
Although rafael has come on by leaps and bounds this season and evra has found his old self but while defending they are often in the penalty box waiting for the cross rather than defending their natural positions.
Wakey think you’re missing my point Utd threw him in at the deep end last year when quite frankly he wasn’t ready and still isn’t to deal with the physical aspect of the prem.Why do you think Utd are conceding so many goals at set pieces and since Edwin retired Utd have gone from one of the best defenses to one of the worst.DDG is easily taken out just have to put someone in front of him .Goalies have to be strong enough to move upwards an forwards clearing out players in the process DDG mostly is just moving upwards not taking out anyone hence the flapping.
There’s been plently of quality experinced goalies with a few years left that could have been signed as his mentor and eased DDG into the job over a couple of seasons instead of getting crucified by the press from day one and getting stuck with a label that he’ll have to live with
DDG shouldn’t have been Utds number 1 last year and just because he’s played a lot means nothing when there’s been very little improvement in what is a flaw and gets exploited nearly every game
Didn’t Van der Sar Want to do a u turn and stay on..Thought it was madness at the time not to keep him on for that role as I dont think he had lost it..
@wayne
Make up your mind. You said the experienced keeper would be backup to DDG and now you are saying he would have been first choice with DDG as backup.
And seriously if you can’t see the difference first team games makes then I suggest you look at Rafael and Fabio. Fabio was always said to be the best of the twins by far but which player has learnt how to deal with defending in the EPL and which has learnt what is required physically. Rafeal ha bulked up in a way Fabio hasn’t and can deal with the physical nature much better and at this point is the better player by a million miles.
DDG is a better keeper now than he would have been playing second fiddle
Oh and your claim that he is at fault for all the goals conceded is ridiculous. Last season we had the most clean sheets in the league, Infact the only reason we didnt have the fewest goals conceded was the City game. The issue this season is a team issue not the keepers. Some of it is obviously the injuries but there seems to be other issues which sees us inviting more pressure than normal
Wakey haven’t changed my mind at all meant DDG wasn’t going to be backup in the literal sense because Utd paid 20 mill so eventually was going to be num 1 but a mistake was made by playing him right off the bat because he simply wasn’t ready,if you think different and he commanded the num 1 spot right out of the gate last season ok,we watched different games.Not having a experienced goalie last season probably cost Utd the title.
WTF has Rafa or Fabio got anything to do with DDG ? Rafa has been with the club for years before establishing himself as a regular going to my point young players sometimes need to be eased in
You seem to read things that are not there to make a point,please show me were i blamed DDG for all Utd goals?.made a point that there is a flaw in DDG’S game he’s not taking command of the box and if you don’t understand that also gives defenders jitters fair enough.This particular area of his game hasn’t improved very much regardless of how many games he’s played he still gets bullied that was the point i was making
You pretty well took everything i said and made up answers to things i never said,want to have a discussion maybe read what someone is saying
DDG is a top quality shot stopper i’ve already stated that but he has one flaw that teams are taking advantage of,so it doesn’t matter if he makes 10 great saves a game to be Utd’s goalie he has to start taking command of his defense and the box otherwise it’ll always be a issue
Wakey – DDG’s only weakness is not commanding of the area, his shot stopping ability has gone backwards a bit, we seen him save it, and spill into the danger area, he needs to work on that. Other than that, I think we have a top keeper, and the names linked with united are simply not good enough.
I made the same point as Wakey did on Sunday. De Gea and Vidic don’t seem to be on the same page yet. I went back to all the games they’ve started together. It’s 14 games. Most of David’s costly errors in his time at United have come in those games. 7 of them I believe.
@wayne
Fabio and Rafa are relevant because it shows the benefit of first team games. Rafa came back for the second season a completely different physical specimen compared to his first season, not quite at the level we saw change that summer he realised he needed to be stronger but not tha far off. Fabio however hadn’t and still hasn’t bulked up much.
When you are playing in the reserves against teams made up largely of youngsters who lack 1st team experience and themselves are lacking physically doesn’t allow you to develop, its why clubs send players out on loan as they need to learn what’s needed to compete physically with adults.
In training and reserve games he wouldn’t have learnt to command his area better and he has improved massively. Infact when Vidic isn’t in the team undermining him he hasn’t had issues with crosses in the same way he did last season. Vidic needs to either start trusting DDG or if he isn’t going to he has to deal with the ball as he is doing neither at the moment. After all Vidic is like a brick wall and most keepers in the world who try and go through him will come off second best including the majority of those we have been linked to
@Sparkz
sorry Imissed your comment
yeah I agree, and glad you’re the one who sees through this Nani MYTH of inconsistency
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