Liverpool keeper Pepe Reina is already making excuses for his team losing out on the title this season, claiming that financially they just cannot compete with Manchester United.
He thinks that because we’ve spent more than £100million over the past few seasons, we obviously have the advantage.
Reina probably should have had a look at this Liverpool website before embarrassing himself. Turns out Benitez has spent £171.4 million in four years. Ouch.
“If they beat us or we draw it will be very difficult,” said Reina. “They have spent a lot of money in the last three or four years. It makes a big difference when you spend more than £100million. It makes you even stronger than you already are. Carlos Tevez is a big price, Wayne Rooney is big money, Cristiano Ronaldo, Dimitar Berbatov etc. To compete with that is almost impossible. To face this kind of team with the power in attack and the players of this quality, it is always difficult to defend. They have a really strong squad and they can use different players. It is tough.”
Liverpool fans tend to focus on the money Benitez has made through sales as a way to back him. Still, it doesn’t matter how much money you make on transfers if you spend that money on shite. Good for him that he’s recouped a lot of money but that still doesn’t explain why he buys crap players on the cheap instead of spending more money on fewer better players.
Maybe if Benitez spent £20 million on signing one brilliant player, instead of £20 million one five shite players, Liverpool wouldn’t have surrendered their title challenge. Sadly for Liverpool, Mad Rafa just ain’t that kind of manager.
United have a few players that cost us £20-30 million because Sir Alex Ferguson has identified quality and paid top price for it. Liverpool haven’t done the same, they’ve wasted millions on dross. Imagine what a quality side they’d be if instead of spending £25 million on Morientes, Bellamy, Pennant and Lucas, they’d bought a top class player. If they’d spent the £20 million it cost Benitez for Crouch, Diego Cavalieri and Dossena on someone special. Even some Liverpool fans can see that! Thankfully, the majority of their fans and players still buy in to the ‘Rafalution’ nonsense. Long may it continue! Long live Mad Rafa!
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cue the scousers.
LOL! Cristiano Ronaldo big money? he cost us 12 million! hardly expensive signing of the year was he! same as they paid for riera whatever his name is.
deluded twat reina
Great idea.. spend 20 million on one player instead of 5.. if only Rafa had thought of that! Oh hang on.. don’t you need 11 players to comply with FIFA / UEFA and FA regulations? You’d make a great f**king manager you would mate.. Why are Mancs so arrogant that they can’t understand teams have to be built? How many years did Ferguson take to build a title winning squad when he couldn’t just buy the best immediately? Oh yeah.. 7 or 8 years.. and if you believe Ferguson to be the best.. why do you mock those that can not catch him, despite the head start they have? Arrogance is not a nice trait to have.
That’s a poor article.
Would you be happy with a team full of Biscan’s, Traore’s and Diao’s but with 4 world class players? It makes no sense. If it was the case that Rafa bought only one £20m player per season, then it’d take him 11 years to just build a quality starting 11 and those will have aged before the squad is complete!!
You have to make the overall quality of each position better than the year before, and he has certainly done that with little money (£120m spent). Now that the squad is there, he can focus on bringing in just one £20m player per season rather than five £4m players to fill the squad.
It simply logic, something some fans don’t understand.
Rafa can’t afford to blow big money like Alex can on £20m gambles (Veron, Nani, Hargreaves and co). So he’s done remarkably making the team in red the top team in Europe!
Should Liverpool take all three points, Benitez will become the third fastest manager in Liverpool’s history to clock up 100 league wins.
The clash is his 181st in charge and only legendary duo Bob Paisley and Kenny Dalglish can boast a better record.
Dalglish’s 100th victory came in his 167th game, while Paisley’s arrived in his 179th.
Bill Shankly is currently third on the list with 100 wins coming in 184 games.
United manager Alex Ferguson took 231 matches to arrive at his ton.
Not bad for a team that has poor owners.
Facts eh??
They never look at net spend. Like buying a house, you don’t just afford a mansion.. you buy a sissoko, sell for a profit and re-invest in Mascharano. The subject always annoys me too and whilst I know Liverpool should be challenging, realistically looking at squad costs… should they???
The most expensive squads (excluding players out on long-term loan) are as follows:
Chelsea £207m
Manchester United £206m*
Spurs £188m
Manchester City £140m
Liverpool £127m
(*£226m if Carlos Tevez’s deal made permanent, given that it is initially a unique two-year £10m agreement, and very different from 99.9 of transfer deals. Effectively United are winning games with a £30m player.)
So what does this tell us?
Let’s start with the leaders. United’s squad contains the most home-grown players, such as Giggs, Scholes, Neville, O’Shea, Brown and Fletcher, who all arrived for free.
So that shows that it is a long-established core supplemented by a lot of expensive signings added one by one to a unified collection. In other words, classic, spot-on building of a squad when already established at the very top.
But it shows that even if you work with the unfair use of Rafa’s gross spend, it still doesn’t match what Ferguson has spent on his current squad, let alone those who have been bought and sold for record fees in the past.
And this is utterly, utterly critical, and beyond the grasp of some people who cannot analyse things with common sense.
After all, what does it matter how much Rafa has spent since 2004 if Ferguson is currently fielding players like Ferdinand (£30m) and Ronaldo (£12.8m) who were bought before then?
Isn’t Rafa – in the real world – competing with a team whose construction started well before he arrived?
The fact remains, that Rafa had to build a title winning squad in 4 seasons. By the time Rafa arrived at Anfield, Man Utd already had a title winning squad. For Rafa to have paid £21million on Torres, and have him playing alongside greats such as Djimi Traore and Igor Biscan would have been a stupid move, so he has had to bide his time and build the squad from scratch, hence having to buy players who were not at the top of everybody elses shopping list.Bearing in mind the squad Man Utd have, they can go and spend £30mill on one player, because if he turns out to be Shite (Veron for example), you have other players there already to carry the team. Liverpool do not have that luxury, and Rafa does not have the time that Fergie had. So your argument is flawed mate…..Fair play to you guys…..U have some great players, but to be honest, wouldnt want those cocky twats playing for Liverpool anyway. You can keep your Ronaldo, Rooney and Berbatov…..they are all up their own backsides anyway….when we beat you tomorrow, I await Fergie’s excuse of us having 24hours extra time to rest before Saturday’s game
Well said Browny Tomkins
haha! this was funny reading, sadly, not true, but you just hang in there!
btw; don`t you think it is a bit funny that when the really big money came to football, United started to win a lot, but when it comes to creating your own talent Liverpool won big time…
no offense but it would have been much harder for Rednose to do what Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley did for Liverpool, with so little money.
when they were managers, almost every good player in the club actually came from the city Liverpool, not Portugal, Serbia and god knows what, like Uniteds team are full of…
Well, anyways…
if you beat us this weekend, and get the premiership, we can still sing that we won it (champions league) 5 times, maybe six if you count the last trophy.
honestly, I think Liverpool will win 2-0 at old toilet, the reason: Liverpool players trained when Rooney went out to the press to talk about something completely obvious (his hatred to Liverpool Football Club), after all, we (Liverpool fans) are the most beautiful supporters in the world (and that`s documented). And Rooney doesn`t fit well in there…
Thick manc twats.
Rafa has had to build the squad, with limitied money. he can’t afford to buy 20 million players if he needs 5 or 6 players in the squad. if you need 5 players and only have 20-30mil to spend, you can’t buy a 20mil player, because then you would have limited money to buy the other 4 you need.hes bought and sold alot of players, but he has slowly built up the quality of the squad. not to the same level as man utd or chelski yet, because again he can’t buy 20 million squad players like nani, anderson, hargreaves, even tevez sits on the bench. and then there’s also the money Fergie has spent over the years like the 30mil on Rio. 30 mil on berba and rooney. you have to look at the cost of players he has bought, and take into account those that have been sold aswel, not just overall transefer spending. it’s the cost of the current squads that are important:
Chelsea £207m
Manchester United £206m*(226m if tevez signs)
Spurs £188m
Manchester City £140m
Liverpool £127m
By this i would say liverpool are punching well above their weight in terms of transfer spending. the differenc between man u and chelsea is that at least man utd earn there money, it’s not just handed to them.
im sick of all this buying sucess shite that gets spouted out….when united pay top dollar for a player they take into account their talent and the amount of time they’ll get out of him….example is wayne rooney cost over 20million. he’ll be at united at least 10 years and even now that looks a bargin….hell it dosnt look it it is one. 30million for Rio is the same they’ll get over 10years outta him.with the exception of berbatov, united tend to buy players with a long term plan in mind(eg. anderson,nani and now tosic and the other serbian that i cant spell)put it this way, united wont have to replace alot of there team for a few years yet. were as the dippers and chelski buy sub-par player or over the hill player for big money(shevcencho, crespo, pennent, morientes, robbie keane anyone!!!)
Hey keith_mac.
Veron anyone
Its you being deluded man. to be fair to the scousers they needed massive investment after houlier era unlike us with fergie already having team full of superstars now we can buy players who cost 20,30m each every year they don’t have that luxury mainly because there revenue much lower then us.
LOL… Rafa spend 174M !!! If you use to live in a house that cost 200K and moved to a 300K home, what you have spend in moving up is 100K
I suppose in your world, your new home is now 500K. If you look at the linked provided, players bought is 174M, players sold is 105M, a lot of time, if you can think, (which i doubt every much) you ll realise the net value here is 174M – 105M. = 69M that is how much was spent, the rest are trades…
I know it is a bit difficult to comprehend this. but try, it wouldn’t hurt your brain… afterall the brain is there to think,
Maybe this is what rafa is wanting, more say on transfers, like who he spends the budget on, get your facts right
if the money been said about ronaldo is right united will make about 90million on him
thats not big money
but if liverpool spent £171.4 million in four years and he doesnt know that
but he knows what goes on at another club then thats the funniest part of all
who gives a flying fuck about money. seriously. football has always been dominated by the biggest spenders. When the filth dominated in the 70′s and 80′s, who do you think spent the most? When we dominated the 90′s ,who spent the most? When Blackburn won, who spent the most? When Chelsea won, who spent the most? Are ya spotting a pattern, are ya?
Get a hold of yourself Browny, you get your Rafa abacus out and you think you’re a wall street whizz!
Check out the article written a few weeks back that compares Utd and Pool spend over the past 10 years (http://therepublikofmancunia.com/united-and-liverpools-spending-the-samebut-success-so-different/), difference is 30 odd mill, if I was an investor I’d pay that for a full trophy cabinet.
Rafa’s spending is muck and the more you Pool fans defend him the more ridiculous you look to all other fans, not just mancs.
oh, and ATOM79…..thanks for the contribution. retard.
fuck off you rat eating, bin dipping cunts
well said mancaroon
Cheers Keith………whats the point of dippers like that (or dippers full stop)! All they do is perpetuate the belief that thy are all mindless,thuggish imbeciles! Go write shite on your own websites, don’t show yourself up for the dick you are on here. Liverpool, a football community my arse.
When Jose was outspending Fergie? where was fergie then? as soon as Fergie start to outspend Jose, the EPL went back to old trashford, lets be real, the only reason you have done well in the EPL is simply bcos of money. You havent been able to do the same in Europe as there are other big spenders in the continent, hence your record under fergie in CL is 2 finals in 23yrs..
Oh Rafa also got to 2 finals in 4 yrs.. Fergie is a legend indeed…
exactly sayin stuff like Atom79 is all for a cheap reaction to hide the fact he has no wortwhile opinion and no class. it’s kinda sad
Jon: What a Dim person you are! £171.4 million is what has been paid for the rafalution players in your squad, take out the lady boy and the ones that were there when he arrived and you would be lucky to get 50 mill for the entire squad! Not very good rafa…..must try harder!
On second thoughts sign the contract and don’t bother
yes jon……and he won one, whereas Fergie won both (and the Cup Winners cup with both Aberdeen and us). The money helps but it is self perpetuating……we win things, therefore we can spend more. If you want more money…get better at winning things dickhead.
You might be surprised to know Lyon, Porto, Celtic, have also been able to win countless domestic trophies…
I do believe Fergie is a fantastic coach, sure he is, but dont fool urself thinking he did it without money, Rio, Nani, Veron, Anderson, RVN, Rooney, Tevez, Heagraves, Carrick, Barbertov, these are all players above 15M. give or take..
Liverpool (torres, Keane, Masch ) and Arsenal have (Arshavin) these is why you are TOPS NOTHING ELSE. we all saw Fergie couldn’t outsmart Jose in his first 2 season with all his experience in the EPL. he had to SPEND MORE to compete !!
One word. VERON
“When Jose was outspending Fergie? where was fergie then?”
That’s ridiculous and ignorant.When Mourinho was buying Ballack and Sheva we were selling Van Nistelrooy and bought only Carrick.Do you remember who won the league 12 months later?Liverpool have spent more money than us in Rafa’s tenure.It’s not our fault that Rafa can’t put a championship winning side together.So your complaints should be adressed to your manager.
costas….no you went and bought Nani £18m, Carrick£18m and Hargreaves £18m.
“we all saw Fergie couldn’t outsmart Jose in his first 2 season with all his experience in the EPL. he had to SPEND MORE to compete !!”
Actually he had to fo back to 4-4-2 to do it.Check our 05-06 and 06-07 squads.The only new player is Carrick.
Costas ,read this before going crazy:
They never look at net spend. Like buying a house, you don’t just afford a mansion.. you buy a sissoko, sell for a profit and re-invest in Mascharano. The subject always annoys me too and whilst I know Liverpool should be challenging, realistically looking at squad costs… should they???
The most expensive squads (excluding players out on long-term loan) are as follows:
Chelsea £207m
Manchester United £206m*
Spurs £188m
Manchester City £140m
Liverpool £127m
(*£226m if Carlos Tevez’s deal made permanent, given that it is initially a unique two-year £10m agreement, and very different from 99.9 of transfer deals. Effectively United are winning games with a £30m player.)
So what does this tell us?
Let’s start with the leaders. United’s squad contains the most home-grown players, such as Giggs, Scholes, Neville, O’Shea, Brown and Fletcher, who all arrived for free.
So that shows that it is a long-established core supplemented by a lot of expensive signings added one by one to a unified collection. In other words, classic, spot-on building of a squad when already established at the very top.
But it shows that even if you work with the unfair use of Rafa’s gross spend, it still doesn’t match what Ferguson has spent on his current squad, let alone those who have been bought and sold for record fees in the past.
And this is utterly, utterly critical, and beyond the grasp of some people who cannot analyse things with common sense.
After all, what does it matter how much Rafa has spent since 2004 if Ferguson is currently fielding players like Ferdinand (£30m) and Ronaldo (£12.8m) who were bought before then?
Isn’t Rafa – in the real world – competing with a team whose construction started well before he arrived?
“costas….no you went and bought Nani £18m, Carrick£18m and Hargreaves £18m.”
Men get your facts straight before you come here.Carrick was our only signing the first season we picked up the title.Nani,Hargreaves,Ando and Tevez came a year later.Scott could you put up that post again about who has spent more in the last 5 years?
Reddevil$ker………those players didn’t arrive in the same season….stop embarrassing yourself.
Paul Tomkins:
Okay, it must end NOW! I’ve reached breaking point. The shocking transfer myth must be put to rest, once and for all.
paul tomkins
I’ve tried in the past, but the media misinformation continues to gather pace like some ill-founded rumour. It’s dangerous, because it causes unjust criticism.
Let’s make one thing clear: Liverpool have nowhere near the most expensive squad in the Premiership.
No. Where. Near.
Indeed, there are three clubs who have spent at least 50 per cent more on their current squad than Liverpool.
Shocked? Well, you should be if you believe what’s spouted out on TV. But it’s true. And one of the clubs is not a name you’d necessarily expect.
It doesn’t help that some people – such as Jamie Redknapp last night – focus on Rafa’s gross spend, rather than the net amount. Effectively, this means counting all the right-backs he’s bought as one big outlay, rather than looking at how he’s replaced one with another for roughly the same £2m fee.
Working with just the gross spend, you add the £2m of Josemi to the £2m value of Kromkamp (even though it was a swap), to the £2.6m paid for Arbeloa. But none of these players were at the club at the same time, and each was traded to get to the point where an outright success was secured, as happened with the final purchase.
So even though the total cost of getting Arbeloa was just the £2.6m paid, people will use a figure almost three times as high. That is illogical.
(Another note, Jamie: Liverpool have three right-backs on the books, not just one; but the promising Darby, like Arbeloa, was injured and Degen has had a first season ruined by various ailments. So it’s wrong to criticise the manager for an unbalanced squad and playing a midfielder out of position when three right-backs are unavailable.)
It’s like the housing market: you don’t just go in and buy a mansion straight from school. (Okay, so maybe some footballers do, but not the normal people of this world. As someone stuck with renting, I’m speaking generally here!)
You start with an affordable house; you then use the money from selling that to buy your next property. Most people can only get to own a big house having traded their way up over a number of years.
Yet when someone asks how much you spent on your house, you don’t add all the houses you’ve ever bought together, do you?
If you own a £220,000 house, you don’t say £470,000 because you add the £90,000 starter home and the £160,000 step up. That would be moronic.
According to the excellent and reliable http://www.LFCHistory.net, Rafa’s gross spend is approximately £188m, but his net spend is only £108m, given that around £80m has been recouped.
(I’d hazard a guess that a large proportion of the £108m net spend has also been recouped through Champions League progress rewards, particularly with the Reds being the top-ranked team based on his five-year tenure.)
So it’s easy to pluck a figure of ‘£195m’ from the air, live on air, and make it seem like that should make a team champions, or ultra-close challengers.
But it’s only the cost of the current squad that counts. Because that’s all a manager can choose from; he can’t go back in time and select a player he sold in order to trade up, just as you can’t just turn up to one of your old houses and let yourself in.
You simply cannot add Rafa having spent £5.8m on Sissoko to the £18m on Mascherano, because the two were never part of the same set-up; one was bought and sold for a profit, and as with a house, the money reinvested in a step-up. If Sissoko isn’t bought and then sold, Mascherano probably doesn’t arrive.
Is that really too tough to grasp?
From my own experience in writing ‘Dynasty’, I can attest that researching transfer fees is never easy, given the amount of undisclosed fees and various add-ons (for various things, like appearances, trophies won, national caps and the cultivation of unexpectedly daring hairstyles).
But taking each fee as the most a club has expect to pay when add-ons are activated, I’ve calculated the cost of the most expensive squads in the league, and listed them below.
(Note: while it’s impossible to be 100 per cent accurate with the figures in the public domain, I’d say that overall it’s at least 95 per cent of the true amount, and with rival teams I’ve actually been generous and excluded a couple of players whose cost just isn’t listed anywhere I could find.)
The most expensive squads (excluding players out on long-term loan) are as follows:
Chelsea £207m
Manchester United £206m*
Spurs £188m
Manchester City £140m
Liverpool £127m
(*£226m if Carlos Tevez’s deal made permanent, given that it is initially a unique two-year £10m agreement, and very different from 99.9 of transfer deals. Effectively United are winning games with a £30m player.)
So what does this tell us?
Let’s start with the leaders. United’s squad contains the most home-grown players, such as Giggs, Scholes, Neville, O’Shea, Brown and Fletcher, who all arrived for free.
So that shows that it is a long-established core supplemented by a lot of expensive signings added one by one to a unified collection. In other words, classic, spot-on building of a squad when already established at the very top.
But it shows that even if you work with the unfair use of Rafa’s gross spend, it still doesn’t match what Ferguson has spent on his current squad, let alone those who have been bought and sold for record fees in the past.
And this is utterly, utterly critical, and beyond the grasp of some people who cannot analyse things with common sense.
After all, what does it matter how much Rafa has spent since 2004 if Ferguson is currently fielding players like Ferdinand (£30m) and Ronaldo (£12.8m) who were bought before then?
Isn’t Rafa – in the real world – competing with a team whose construction started well before he arrived?
Unless Ferguson is banned from fielding players like Ferdinand and Ronaldo (which would be illogical), or forced to start from scratch in 2004 (again illogical), it is not a fair comparison, is it? – I mean, come on, use your brain for a second here.
After all, how much as Harry Redknapp spent since he took over at Spurs? I make it almost £50m. How much has Rafa spent since Harry Redknapp took over at Spurs? Nothing. But only a nutter would compare the two in this deeply skewed way.
Rafa has been in his job about five times as long as Harry, so you obviously wouldn’t dare compare their teams. And yet Ferguson has been in his job about five times as long as Rafa, and yet the Spaniard is expected to have Liverpool as champions by now.
Chelsea and Spurs are actually the more interesting examples in many ways. I knew Spurs had spent a lot, but to have a current squad that cost almost £200m shocked me. Add together the cost of Bentley, Pavyluchenko, Palacios, Bale, Defoe, Bent, Keane and Modric and you more-or-less end up with the cost of Liverpool’s entire squad.
I could be sarcastic – or media-style sensationalistic – and say that with that much spent, any manager should be able to win almost all of his matches, but it wouldn’t be fair or logical. It’s far more complex than that, and even a good manager like Redknapp has his work cut out.
Chelsea and Spurs have had seven managers between them since 2007. This means different men making expensive signings and ending up with a mixed squad. Based on expenditure, both of these clubs are massively underachieving this season. Almost certainly to blame for that is the hierarchy having itchy fingers when it comes to firing managers.
Of course, this analysis doesn’t include wages, either. You don’t get the very top players in the world without also having to pay them a king’s ransom. Michael Ballack must be most expensive free transfer ever, with wages reported to be around £130,000 a week, or about £30m over five years. Again, Liverpool are no way near the highest payers, either.
So there you have it. By all means print it out and pass it around; ‘pass it on’, as the saying goes, including to those in the media who could do with reading it. By all means quibble over some of the finer details, as there is a tolerance of a few percent on the accuracy of the figures, but the overall gist is very much sound and robust.
ha !! i am not going to call you name, i ll argue my point intellectually, Rafa spent 174M,
The fact of the matter is he spent 174M while he sold over 100M, you can’t not argue that 174M was spend on building a team.
Have you been to a university before? do you know what a financial statement looks like?
What he has been able to do is improve on his squad, by selling weak one and using the proceed to buy stronger players…
There is the revenue side and there is the expense side, you have to subtract one from the other to get a net value.
This is why Man U is 700M in debt without building a new stadium, you guys are the Madoff model… it caught up with Milan, soon catch up with Man U
“Isn’t Rafa – in the real world – competing with a team whose construction started well before he arrived?”
He is.But he was given the budget to buy a Ferdinand,a Carrick and a Rooney but he prefered to buy mediocre players.5 years should have been enough for him to build a pwoerful squad.
I’m not saying that EVERY player Benitez bought had to be a MASSIVE transfer. Just more than one of them.
He’s spent an average of £42.85 million a season. So, in the time he’s been manager, theoretically, he could have bought 4 superstars worth £20 mill each, and 16 players worth £5 mill, with money left over. That’s 20+ players bought in four years on top of the squad he was given… who finished FOURTH in the Premiership, five points off THIRD, the season before he took over.
Why people try to compare this to Ferguson, who took charge of a team in the RELEGATION ZONE when he came to United, is beyond me.
Thankfully, you’re all mug enough to believe he’s a brilliant manager. As I say, long may that continue, because I certainly do enjoy us winning the league.
REDDEVIL$KER …….someone shut this clown up…..net spend and gross spend my arse. Ok then smartarse, with all your fancy facts and workings out tell me how much fergie has recouped on his sold players……..we bought Gary Pallister for 2.5 mill and sold him for 2.5 mill 10 years later, we recouped most if not all of the Veron fee, we sold Beckham for £18 mill (?) and bought him for……thats right, fuck all. What about the money from Neville, Butt etc. What about the fee for Ruud. get it worked out and come back to me…until then, fuck off.
The conclusion of this argument is that SAF buys winners/The Fat waiter buys looser albeit Looserpool and that the FACKTS.
“What he has been able to do is improve on his squad, by selling weak one and using the proceed to buy stronger players… ”
Obviously you have been to university right?It shows by the fact that you don’t know why United have a 700mil ppund debt.It had nothing to do with bad management.It had to do with the fact that we got them from Glazer’s bank loans.Know your facts right.Obviousloy you can buy an new stadium right?That’s why you were talking with Everton about building one together.It’s all a matter of opinion.If yoy think that Rafa sold Cisse and got a better one in Voronin,that’s you problem.By the way,in 96 when we did the double,was it because of money too?Because i seem to remember us selling Kanchelskis,Ince and Hughes and not buying anyone while you bought Collymore.But as Scott says,support Rafa all the more.You are doing us a favor.
Why is it when fucking dippers come to RoM there’s a right nasty atmosphere!.. Just fuck off and spread your diseases on your own forums..
mancaroon, you lost a net £14m on Veron alone!
REDDEVIL$KER, don’t blame me if you are incapable of comprehending simple things…
If you have 2 houses and sold one, you do not have 2 houses anymore so it doesnt count, correct, so if Rafa bought player A and sold player A to buy player B,
It is mononic to say he has spent the amount on player A + amount on player B. It is the SAME money, just on different players..
for example, what he spend on Garcia, when Garcia was sold went on Benayoun… so u can’t count that a buying Garcia for 6M and buying Benayoun for 6M. It is a TRADE. not a purchase…
Maybe you need to enrol yourself in a class, better yet, send my your address i might be able to get you a book called “common sence for dummy” from amazon LMFAO
Yes i have been to university, i also have a masters in mathematics so dont F with me.. LOL… ha and I am BLACK too.. so what??
REDDEVIL$KER…….not sure thats right mate…..we didn’t sell him to chelsea for 10mill…….
mancaroon, no you sold him for £14m, bought for £28m. I thought you knew that?
REDDEVIL$KER, and what about all the others…..don’t just pick the points that suit you, address the full question, how much has Fergie recouped in transfers?
I don’t F with you.I will let Rooney do that tomorrow for me.
We lost £14 mill on Veron and made £24.5 mill on David Beckham. What’s your point? Sorry, what was that? You don’t have one?
mancaroon, you tell me, you’re the man u fan.
Listen mates.. it is a FACT the only manager in the EPL that won without braking the bank is Arsene Wenger. Take the money away from Fergie and he is just another manager, I ll have had more respect for him if he had done what he did in the EPL in europe when you have to compete with Milan, Barca, Madrid year in year out, these are teams with money bags.. remember the years of Zidade and Figo? where was Man U then?? molesting the small boys in the EPL.. ha !!!
What is special about Rafa is this, this season alone, Chelsea, Man U, Madrid, have gotten their asses whopped, and since he joined, juve, Inter, Barca, AC, Arsenal.. all got their asses whooped. We have had to manage the money we have from sales and CL football. as we do not have a 700M limit on on american express card…
So Rafa is great at creating a profit.Get him to AIG,they could use someone right now.The question is another one:can he buy good players and built a championship winning side?No.
costas, maybe not this season, or next season, but you have to admit, since 2004 (Since Rafa started) we’ve got stronger and stronger.
you seem to forget that Rafa asked for Alves, Vidic, Simao, Barry and Parry didnt sign them, hence the reason parry is on his way out, do you really believe Rafa don’t like good players and ll rather sign Voronin instead of David Villa, Pennant instead of Silva or Simao? if that is your thought, then again it is self serving, what has happen in the past is Rafa has been given a budget and he must maximise the budget best to his ability,
Conclusion, we knew we have limited fund, so our goal is to play CL football as earn money, you are not simply going to achieve that if you blew ur budget on 1 superstar would you?
“Take the money away from Fergie and he is just another manager, I ll have had more respect for him if he had done what he did in the EPL in europe when you have to compete with Milan, Barca, Madrid year in year out, these are teams with money bags.. remember the years of Zidade and Figo? where was Man U then?? molesting the small boys in the EPL.. ha !!!”
Once again sorry,but you are ignorant and embarassing yourself.I will ask for the 10th time:Did Fergie do the double in 96 by splashing out money?No.You mention Europe.In 99 we won the Ch.League mostly with home grown players with Yorke,Stam and Blomqvist as our only major signings.We knocked out Barca who had Figo and Rivaldo,INter who had Ronaldo and Baggio and Juventus who had Zidane and Del Piero.Once again,know your facts straight.
Jon- that’s right because Fergie had shedloads of cash at Aberdeen when he broke the dominance of Celtic and Rangers.
You utter utter spastic. Fuck off you thick cunt.
“costas, maybe not this season, or next season, but you have to admit, since 2004 (Since Rafa started) we’ve got stronger and stronger.”
True.I think the point tally has icreased every season so that’s an indication.I have also said that in Europe he has got it right even more than Fergie.I just don’t think he can build a team that plays good football and can go the distance in England.
Deluded, LFC obssesed mancs embarrassing themselves.
You kept saying “you are embarassing yourself” is that the phrase of the day? mate.. supply me with data, buzz words does nothing for me. I need facts.
Let me break it down for you:
£15m+ signings since Rafa has arrived that are still in the squad presently
Man U:
£18m Nani
£18m Hargreaves
£18m Anderson
£31m Berbatov
£18m Carrick
£30m Rooney
£30m Tevez* but it’s a £10m loan at the moment.
Liverpool:
£20.7m Torres
£18m Mascherano
Before Rafa arrived
Man U:
£30m Ferdnind
Don’t forget, Fergie already had a head start over Rafa in terms of his squad as he’d already had Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Van Der Sar, Ronaldo etc before he even arrived! Fergie has spent 20 years building his side, Rafa just under 5. Not bad going so far.
3 seasons before Rafa – 2nd
Season before Rafa – 4th
1st season with Rafa – 5th + 1 European Cup + 1 European Super Cup
2nd season with Rafa – 3rd + FA Cup
3rd season with Rafa – 3rd + nothing
4th season with Rafa – 4th + nothing
5th season with Rafa – currently 3rd
Wow, Liverpool are SO much better under Benitez. I stand corrected. He is a brilliant manager.
REDDEVIL$KER – that’s the whole point of the article you thick bastard. Instead of spending almost 200 mill on shit players, he should have spent more on single players like United have done. Christ almighty, you make it easy for us to take the piss out of the dippers on here.
“supply me with data, buzz words does nothing for me. I need facts.”
I gave them to you in the my last post.Learn how to read.
argue all you like liverfoolians..
u just admited who has the better team and who is the better team
MAN UNITED
YOU SHIT K U N T S
Wow, certainly a lot of genii on the forum today. Let’s continue with your housing analogy; If I buy a council flat in kensington, sell it on to someone else and buy the flat next door, have I improved on my housing situation? No. Would you consider me a shrewd investor? No. Would I be in-line for making a profit on my investment in the long-term? maybe a little.
However, if I spent the cash on an affordable ‘fixer-upper’ with lots of potential in an up-market area I’d be quite a shrewd spender and would be respected for my savvy. I would invest time on the new property and in the long-term I stand to make a sizable profit on re-sale. All the while I would enjoy the fruits of my purchase due to the improved surroundings. Not a bad trade-off.
Conclusion: The point being made about Rafa is that his spending is poor, it’s irrelevant that he has sold well, selling players won’t win you trophies, buying players will.
Scott the Red, the point of the article is stupid.
We had one quality player when Benitez arrived and he had to remove all dead wood and start from scratch. In order to do that, do you
a) sign cheap players who upgrade what you have
b) sign one world class player and keep the dross?
Scott the red.
most folks are not intellectually sound, you have just exposed yourself,
Wouldn’t think amount of points earned in each of Rafa’s season is what is important here rather than trophy count,
Everton, Villa, have won no trophies but you can see they are progressing. liverpool are much better why?
In Euro, we have consistently compete under Rafa and we are now in the last 8 for the 4 time.
We have beaten Chelsea 2ice this season, Man U once, Madrid twice,
We have gotten close to the leader in points term season after season for the exception of maybe one season,
Also look at the amount of goals conceded and scored.
We haven’t lost at home all season in the league.
You need to be more detail in your analysis than that
Spurs won a cup last season or 2, Pompey also did, is that to say those teams are better than Arsenal and Liverpool?
YES or NO?
REDDEVIL$KER who has the better team mate??
whose †op of the ladder??
whose current champion of england, europe and the world??
not liverpool is it..
fuck wat you think..
u surrendered and now has to make up excuses to why you cant keep up with man united…
grow some balls and except it your team is shite..
Jon i have a friend who would like to meet you.He specializes in spastics.Until then piss off to your intellectual Liverpool blogs.
ahmadd, can you read?
REDDEVIL$KER i think that’s a problem with both sets of fans here.I think it’s pretty much pointless.At times i want to be modest like you but some people are incorragible.I think the main thing here if is Reina has looked himself(and his manager in the mirror).I don’t think he has.Ferguson was never a manager who succeeded because of the money.Has it helped?Of course but he has been smart with who he buys as well.
Colbert…
I am sure the Scottish is very difficult to break if you had a decent manager. I am focusing on Man U and not Aberdeen.
What I know for a fact is that Fergie spent money to win, Jose did, it lacks logic to think Rafa ll break that monopoly considering the resources available to him at present.
That is all I am saying, if you want to talk about Aberdeen, I am not your guy, I am more experienced with the EPL Sir.
Let’s stick with the house analogy………….If you have a council house, pinch everything in it and look in the dustbin for something to eat. Then you are a scouser
Ha, who has the better team, No doubt Man U. at a cost of 700M tho.. that is the debt level at present, We want to be like Man U but not the debt leves tho…
My point is your sucess is not the work of a genius, it is simply the work of $$$.
This are FACTHS as Rafa ll say…
costas, I agree money helps, but if you have two world class managers who are tactically identical and one has money and one doesn’ t, then obviously the one with money will succeed. Fergie is rated by most as a better manager than Rafa, soallied with more money is it a suprise Liverpool are joint 2nd and Man U are top?
Jig, this is not a fact, more of an hypothetical assumption, lets stick to facts,
Rafa has earned more points in the EPL with his trades? YES or NO? this fact we have.
what you are throwing at me is likened to a monopoly board player that thinks he is a property guru just cos he won a few board game…
Trust me, we can all do better than Rafa on the internet, in reality, maybe it not that easy,
Wonder why the likes of Andy gray, Redknap ll rather say on Skysports than manage?
Yea that is the good thing about hindsight, it is 20/20
people who count Tevez as ~30m now are desperate to show that SAF spent a lot more than Rafa. Well, that’s lame.. since that is not the figure yet. Maybe you should mention other players with other figures than you’ll look LESS deluded.
and it seems that now Liverpool fans has stopped bragging with their record 18 league titles because they know they’ll lose that very soon, maybe this weekend.
some even question SAF as a great manager when he’s is the manager with the most league title to his name. even comparing SAF to somebody who has not even win a single league title.
Bob the red !!! when you come to the forum, pls do not forget your brain the next time. You sound like a 2 yr old, I can take constructive disccusion all day and infact i have a lot of respect for those who can hold theirs, but you are beyond weak Sir.
It is the old excuse “You only win because you spend the most money”
We only spend big simply because we are forced to by other clubs, would Carrick, Nani and Anderson cost the same if Arsenal tried to purchase them, the awnser is simply no.
Also would United buy Pennant, Bellamy and Crouch no, simply because they are not good enough, regardless of the money they cost.
Also would Keane have been given more time at OT, of course he would and would not have been sold off in a “cut his nose off” attitude to spite Parry, as Fergie puts his team 1st.
It is not an old excuse Sir,
If you take a snapshot of EPL winners since 92, the club that spend the most wins, blackburn and Chelsea did, Man U did several times, the ONLY team that was able to win without spending is Arsenal.
So if you have a trend that is 85/90% correct, you can’t simply dismiss that argument.
can you?
Good God, these Scousers are unbearable, just spouting the same dung over and over. Glaziers’ debt, Rafa’s budget, Fergies’ record – you really are a deluded lot. Lets stop the rhetoric and leave it to the lads on the field tomorrow eh? Then we’ll sit back and take in your latest raft of excuses.
Lad’s! Stop arguing with Jon, he is correct on evey point he makes. As such we should leave him to go on liverpool sites praising TFSW to the skies and encourage him to sign a new contract. When he has succeeded with that he can go to anfield at the end of the season and look in the trophy cabinet marked 2008/9 season and look at the nice glass and wood.
Liverpool bought the likes of Pennant, Bellamy and Crouch not bcos we LOVED or think we think they are the best, but we had a budget we had to work with,
If you earn 30K a yr, it is ll be moronic to be looking for a flat in Chelsea or Kessington, It is a fact of life. you spend what you have unless you have an Amex like Man U or a Sugardaddy like Chelsea. We are not bitter about it, atleast I am not, just stating facts here.
“costas, I agree money helps, but if you have two world class managers who are tactically identical and one has money and one doesn’ t, then obviously the one with money will succeed. Fergie is rated by most as a better manager than Rafa, soallied with more money is it a suprise Liverpool are joint 2nd and Man U are top?”
Money and a better manager does provide these results you are right.But don’t forget that in 2007 Fergie tooke the title from Mourinho at a time when Chelsea were spending more and Jose was considered by many as a better manager.
Well I can, we are blackmailed into spending over the odds for players that other clubs would get for far much less, I can’t deny we have bought more established players like Berbatov and Ferdinand but we have also bought youth, Rooney, Ronaldo which we have taken the long term view.
If Liverpool had tried to buy Carrick, Hargreaves, Anderson, Nani ect would they of had to pay the levels we had to for simply being United, I think not.
@ Jig, it is the truth, If fergie was so fantastic, wouldn’t you think 2 champions league final in 22 yrs is not something to write about? Listen, Lyon is also winning in france, Porto in portugal, Celtic in Scotland, there are the biggest spender in their leagues..
Jon, what the hell are you on about? your manager has spent poorly, that’s all, nothing too deep and meaningful going on here. It was one of your Scouse buddies that started comparing football to the property market, for some bizarre reason, I just helped his analogy along.
Yawn, take it easy lads, I’m off for a pint. Enjoy the game tomorrow regardless of your persuasion.
jon, that is not the point Pennant and Bellamy simpky arn’t top 4 quality and everyone knew that at the time, so why buy them?
@ stephen, again assumptions…. lets stick to what we know and not what we think we know… Is that ok? buttom line is Carrick, Hargraves, Anderson and co are not Liverpool players so we do not know what ll have happen if they were…
Stephen Said,
March 13th, 2009 @16:31
jon, that is not the point Pennant and Bellamy simpky arn’t top 4 quality and everyone knew that at the time, so why buy them?
When you can’t afford your first choice targets due to lack of cash, then you have to buy what you can. Alves, Simao, Vidic and Ronaldo were all wanted by Liverpool, but their price tags were out of reach.
We bought Pennant and Crouch cos we couldn’t afford Torres and Alves then.
that is the budget, I agree with you, if i had my way, Lucas, Crouch, Benayoun, Bellamy, and co ll never play for liverpool but you must be realistic tho, can you afford your dream players, well Parry said not. so what do you do? not play the game? Nah.. just have to play with what you got, that is what makes you a good manager.
Jose was exposed as soon as sugar daddy stopped the cheque. he just couldn’t compete anymore…
They would have been the next Lucas or Pennant if they were at Liverpool.When you don’t know how to get the maximum out of each player it’s easy to blame the others right?
Well jon that is my belief mate, we have to over pay for players consatantly that other sides would get for a lot less.
REDDEVIL$KER, why buy them they were not free there are other players out there.
Who else was there?
All this arguing is barmy, Liverpool are not even the biggest threat this season, they are as ever since the start of the premiership fighting for the lower Champions League qualifying spot. If we have a threat it is the rent boys.
The main difference is that United shop at Harrods, Liverpool shop at Argos!
Are you telling me it was them or nothing?
As the say in my country,when the penis is small it’s because the hair around it is too long.That sums up Reina’s comments best.
Stephen,
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. All manager make mistakes, some bigger than others in terms of transfers. Crouch was a booming success, but agree about Pennant and Lucas (though Lucas is improving game by game).
Thing is, Fergie isn’t whiter than white when it coms to buying duff players either, I mean what was Kleberson and Djemba Djemba about? Not forgetting Dong Fangzhoui and Nani. All managers make mistakes, the point is, some can make bigger gambles than others.
Nani can hardly be called a failure and Dong was bought for peanuts, the other two were shite, but I am not saying Fergie hasn’t bought some crap because he has, he has also bought many more gems, you were defending Rafa’a transfers not vice versa.
YNWA Stephen.
I wish Rafa Da Silva was playing tomorrow.He is a prime example that it doesn’t take just money to get the job done.Ole Solskjaer is also in the same category.
Ofcourse we shop at argos and Man U shop at harrods.. and you say this is not a function of money??
You have just exposed yourself. Case closed.
So you agree that you need money to shop at harrods?
I don;t give a shit how much we spend. Whose champions?
LOL you are the champion. Let yr Lehman brothers didnt give a shyt how much toxic debt they took on either, where are they now? BUSTED.
knightsmith, so you didn’t care when Chelsea bought the league and you won’t care when Man City do so too?
ha, I just came on this website to email you to write an article about what he said cause it’s ludicrous what he said
Well you are right on one thing REDDEVIL$KER, Man City will probably win the league before Liverpool do. You also left out Blackburn.
And the simple fact is, we’re champions, and you’re not
knightsmith, being champions as underdogs with less money is always a more gratifiying acheivement than one won with huge wads of cash. Hence our European Cup win in 2005 was sesational due to who we had in our starting line-up, yet your win was more predictable. Give me drama anyday over monotony.
Agree with REDDEVIL$KER
Same reason when we spanked Madrid, the whole world for the exception of Man U and Everton fans were happy, but when Man U beats Inter, it was just another cup game, It is more gratifying to win as an underdog than buy the top players from every small team u can molest and winning.
Do you think Man U ll be winning when Ronaldo goes and play for his “DREAM” club?
How many goalie did Man U went thro after the blond Danish, before landing VDS from Fulham?
Listen you fuckin dipping twats……ITS A FUCKIN MYTH THAT YOU ARE PAUPERS BEGGING AND TRYING TO SCRAPE IN BINS…WHILST WE SO SHOWERED WITH MONIES THAT WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE LIKE.
These are facts
SAF ( the greatest manager the world has ever seen)..took over Manchester United…a team that had become a shadow of its former self..a team that was so huge and great…but was just going through the motions. so SAF started to build…build from the ruins it has become…we were in the relegation zone NOT IN 3RD PLACE LIKE YOU WHEN THE FAT SPANISH TWAT TOOK OVER. So he built..slowly but surely he built….out went deadwood…in came some decent journeyman…then for 3 years WHILST WE WON NOWT. He built the youth team and academy ala what SIR MATT HAD DONE WITH THE BABES. He built the foundation. then he slowly started makin UTD a SUCCESS again. The team started doing well…and should have won the lge title in 91/92..but leeds somehow snatched it….however SAF ‘s efforts of the previous 5 years were now paying fruition. The seeds that had been planted in the youth teams paid dividends..in came the kids…becks, butty, scholsey, giggsy, nevos etc etc…success started…with that success SAF Wisely invested in manchester utd..in came the club shop, the stadium development, in came carrington, cliff replaced. He built the team….and the kids kept winning…he was wise and shrewd. every now and then the ice cream he built would be topped up by a top foreign player.
He kept building….success came…more success came.
The FACTS are he had to build UTD from a ruin that it had become. Fat fuckin SPANISH WAITER DIDNT NEED TO.
And in his years…SAF has played the market better than anyone….foundation of local lads + brit/irish lads + a dabble of foreigeners. Aswell as spotting unknown young talent eg rafael and fabio.
UNLIKE YOUR FAT SPANISH WAITER WHO SPENT HIS MONEY NOT RE BUILDING BUT ON CRAP…I MEAN I READ THROUGH THOSE NAMES….AND I THOUGHT WHAT THE FUCK….SERIOUSLY NO WONDER YOU AINT WON A TITLE…BISCAN???? PENNANT???? CROUCH???. Me grandmad could do a better job in the transfer market. YES SAF has bought a few clangers….but FSW 43 deadwood????? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
OH yeh and a fuckin big difference…
CHELSKI = MONEY = MORE MONEY = MORE MORE MORE MONEY = SUCCESS = WE HAVE A SUGAR DADDY
MAN SHITTY = MONEY = MORE MONEY = STUPID MONEY = WE WANT SUCCESS TOO.
MANCHESTER UNITED = SUCCESS = MORE SUCCESS = MORE SUCCESS = MONEY.
We worked hard…..built…we worked even harder…we worked tirelessly…then spent at wise moments the rewards we fuckin deserved and earnt. EG….a guy did his qualifications….worked his way up…gota good job…made it a better job…got promoted….isnt he then entitled to spend once in a while and put a nice car in the garage.
Whilst the fat fuck spanish waiter…got very very decent amount of money….parry and moores and the gillette and hicks said here you go rafa spend and build. Problem was he just went down to bobs car lot and scrappy down road and bought 5 write offs for repair…..thinking he could mould the 5 ( stanza, lada, skoda, fiesta and datsun 120y ) into a ferrari.
Last person you should give money too is him……no wonder the board arent putting transfer power and say so into his contract…fuck sake he’d probably turn anfield into walford eastenders market.
bye bye dippers….happy looting
Jon – Thats original, have you not heard his statement earlier today? Can’t see him joining that mob can you? Thought you were “the number one team in Europe”. If that is the case why would you be the “underdog” against the Fascists? You are a muppet pal, fuck off.
Other than this I really can’t be arsed getting into pointless arguments with you deluded dippers. It was only a few weeks ago your lot were on here bragging etc, all of a sudden you all go very quiet. The same will be happening after tomorrows game. All this “In Rafa we Trust” and “Rafalution” and “YNWA” is all just nonsense.
KING ERIC YOU’RE SPOT ON….only a month a two ago…they were the best team in england..ready to win the title..title faves blah blah blah…..now suddenly they ve become the poor starving children of africa.
And just on this blog in half an hour…they gone from 5 time cup winners..the ‘OFFICIAL’ top listed team in europe in the last few years to ” its so gratifying to win as an underdog”.
lol..lol…lol
dippers…you’re guaranteed a laugh a minute…
always brighten up my day these dips
Boy KIng Eric they are a load today.Hopefully tomorrow we shut them up for good.
suhayl you make a great point.Obviously the money gap between us and them didn’t stop them being top of the league for the first 4 months of the league did it?It would be too painful if they had to admit that they blew it when their manager lost the plot 2 months ago.Look at how well informed they are:they think that our 700mil debt is because we always buy players and never sell.We were the best functioning club in the world until Glazer took over.These kind of dippers could make me laugh if they weren’t so sad.
Reina never said your advantage was solely due to money, only that you have a number of players such as Berbatov and Rooney who cost £20 million plus, whereas Liverpool have bought more players for less. He also praised you, but you were already on your angry diatribe about delusions and excuses at that point clearly.
“Reina never said your advantage was solely due to money, only that you have a number of players such as Berbatov and Rooney who cost £20 million plus, whereas Liverpool have bought more players for less. He also praised you, but you were already on your angry diatribe about delusions and excuses at that point clearly.”
He never said that,he just let it out like that to create an impression.Personally i have stopped taking notice of someone associated with Liverpool praising us ever since Rafa showed his true colours 2 months ago.
costas forget it mate…..i know from 30 years experience and nearly 5 years reading this blog and many other utd blogs before….. that they can have egg on their face…you can outdo them with logic..with REAL facts..catch them out with stats. BUT they’ll still never stop with their moronic dipper comments.
Thats why they’re dippers. And every stereotype, mick take perpetuated around the world about scousers and scouseland is so true.
Sometimes you wish they just stuck to the day job
And a scouse day job is = stealing dvd players etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Happy looting dippers
Jon– yes I do.
funny how reina never bothered to mention £20mill Keane or £27mill Torres…that should have been at least a good strike force for that money…instead, they’ve got half of one
Really getting sick with these scouse cunts,who are presenting Mad rafa Facts and intellectual bullshit.Go fuck off to your shit holes.You are not worthy of comparing your club to United.Let your shit club do the talking by winning something or atleast play some good football.Until then….Tata
REDDEVIL$KER:
“Alves, Simao, Vidic and Ronaldo were all wanted by Liverpool, but their price tags were out of reach.” -Really? Was vidic’s price out of reach?7m? Or those players didnt want to join ur shit club?
REDDEVIL$KER:
“Should Liverpool take all three points, Benitez will become the third fastest manager in Liverpool’s history to clock up 100 league wins.”- who gives a shit
Fucking hell Scot…. you know how to wind up them scouse cunts dont you…. Dopy cunts think they are our equals…. yeah right…. they might have been a force once but they made the mistake of geting former players to take control as managers and that is what fucked them up… they will now never be the force of ManUtd and they know it.
We now have the worlds fanbase to bring money into our club which will give us the financial muscle to outdo the dippers….And that is what irks them the most.
Even the Russkie at Rentboyland is stuggling to raise funds for new players….
And over at Shitty no decent player is going to play in that shithole of a stadium.
The premier league might as well get used to the idea of us going on from strength to strength
gotta love how these dippers are making out like they are paupers who haven’t got two pennies to rub together
‘oh we couldn’t afford vidic and ronaldo their price tags were out of reach’
but you could happily splash double on what we spent on ronaldo on torres and 20 million on robbie keane and then sell him on (at a loss) just six months later and you could happily spend 7 million on the worst right back in the league (dossena). not to mention money on riera, babel, benayoun and co
and of course, you wasted no time in stumping up the cash for mascherano did you?
I will tell you how it is dippers. the message of scott’s blog is so clue, only an idiot couldn’t understand it. its that basically, although we have spent money, so have you. your fair share of money since the fat spanish waiter took over. moreover, you are clearly getting your excuses in early, to hide the hard, cold fahct, which is, that your club is not good enough to win the premier league
As soon as Suhayl arrived on the scene, those Scouse cunts soon fucked off LOL.
Someone should remind the dippers that their team is still not good enough to win against powerhouses like Fulham, Stock (twice), Hall, West ham, Wigan, man Shity, Everton. They talk about progress, but their whole progress is the lucky win that they got against us, just that one game and us missing couple of games made them think they got better. Deluded twats, nothing more.
Typical, you look at the gross amount. Gross amount is 171 million. Net amount is more like 80 million. To get Torres for instance, who was in the 20-25 million region, we had to sell Bellamy for 11. We still haven’t spend 30 million on a player, which Man Utd have done on several occasions. And by the way, you mention if Rafa had bought 1 brilliant 20 million player rather than 5 shite 5 million players. One of those so called shite 5 million players, being Albert Riera, tore you guys up at Anfield earlier in the season. On a lower budget than Man Utd or Chelsea, Liverpool are closer to them than you want to admit.
AussieRed – Evra, Vidic, da Silvas, Van der Sar and Park Ji-Sung all cost less than Riera. What’s your point?
Whether the money spent was gross or net makes no fucking difference. He’s still spent the money and it’s largely been wasted. If he’d spent that money on decent players, spending more on one, then you wouldn’t be heading for your 19th year.
Since the Premiership was formed, United (£391m) have SPENT £11m more than Liverpool (£380).
Since the Premiership was formed, United (£190m) have EARNED £13m more than Liverpool (£177m).
On average, Liverpool (£11.9) have spent £100k more per season than United (£11.8). This totals to Liverpool spending a net total of £202m compared to United spending £200m.
Since Rafa Benitez joined Liverpool in 2004, United (£169m) have SPENT £43m less than Liverpool (£212m).
Since Rafa Benitez joined Liverpool in 2004, United have EARNED (£76m) have EARNED £26m less than Liverpool (£102m).
On average, Liverpool (£22m) have spent £4m more per season than United (£18m). This totals to Liverpool spending a net total of £110m compared to United spending £93m since 2004.
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
There goes that myth. Bye bye myth, I’ll see you next time Liverpool fans try to prove us United fans wrong, but I will break out these same pure hard FACTS .
@ Colbert and Suhyal..
Had to go to a meeting and from go home, No one is scared of foul mouth Suhyal, He does not posses the mental ability to have a constructive debate.
@ SteRDLK
This are not facts, send a list of EACH player bought.
AussieRed – Evra, Vidic, da Silvas, Van der Sar and Park Ji-Sung all cost less than Riera. What’s your point?
Again you are not truthful, then again you are Man U fan, I expect lies.
Reina was 6M, Vidic was 7M.
Jose Reina Villareal £6,000,000 04.07.2005
Well Rio ferd cost more than : Reina, Albeola, Carra, Skrtel, Aureillo put together.
Heres a fact for all you liverFools talking shit on this site…
you will remain second rate as long as your club keeps hiding behind excuses to substantiate your second rate performances.
PLease dont change….. while we take everything that made liverpool special…once you havent won the most leagues and european cups you will be dusty black and white clippings. That club that used to be big, used to win things.
Heres a fact 18 seasons without a league.
Why doestn mean ANYTHING.
Suck it up ya bunch of big cry babies. Man up fer fuck sakes, You make me sick.
The Vermin – players, manager and fans – are all getting their excuses in nice and early before we go out and give them a good hiding today PMSL.
To all the Livershite fans, remember one thing:
Self pity city, you’re just a self-pity city
Self pity city………..
just remember the dippers have no concept of buying and selling players, they don’t understand why rafa can’t just rob them. Maybe if they had a decent youth policiy and produced good talent that could be mixed in with the 20 million plus players then they would be in a better situation. the fools.
‘I’D RATHER WALK ALONE’
Buttom line is CASH wins the EPL, Jose and Fergie have proved that. Only Arsene Wenger has won the EPL without spending. LMAO…
You are as good as Lyon, Porto and Celtic on the home turf. Show me what you can do in Europe and I ll respect your team.
When liverpool was winning, we did it in STYLE, none of our players missed a drug test, we didn’t have diver, we didn’t a woman beater,(Rio) we didn’t have a player that ll get his club teammate sent off in an international game, we didn’t never have a player that cried he wants to play for his dream team (Madrid).There was no Kung fu king in our team beating on fans, Our manager is not a REDNOSE neither… You might win all the trophies in the world, but you ll always be a CLASSLESS club.
Or I forgot, when we were winning, we didn’t have 700M pound debt. neither did we steal players other teams spent time and money making world class… LMFAO
Ahem, utd cast aside TWICE in the league!!!
Oh the joys!!!
Sad fact is is that it’ll probably not change the outcome of the title race…
But by god, it feels GOOD!!!!!!
Hammered in your own back yard – PRICELESS!!!
type market value of premiership squads into google. the figures vary but it is undeniable united’s squad is assembled for a price far in excess of liverpool’s. you’ve earnt the right to spend and spent is pretty well but don’t mug yourselves off by suggesting liverpool’s spending is anywhere near it becauce you look a trifle foolish
COLBERT:
I bet you, like your red-nosed anus of a manager, thinks that United were the better team today, don’t you?
How do you feel, you knob!
Reina – Fat tosser, talkin shit as usual, shud learn how to catch a ball first
Manclin, maybe you should be offering goalkeeping advice to EVS after his embarrassing display on Saturday!!!