Comments on: Derby Day and Dad – Why Wes Has To Stay http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay a Manchester United blog Thu, 24 May 2012 23:54:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: spiritof1983 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-3016 spiritof1983 Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:56:22 +0000 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-3016 In pre-season Brown was one of four I thought would leave, in his case for more games. The other three left for various reasons which I didn't necessarily guess right but Brown stayed. That has been the same through the years including when he renegotiated contract last. I think SAF will let him decide and when the time comes, a compromise would be struck. Ultimately it will be up to games in the future rather than money which will determine Brown staying or leaving. I do get the feeling throughout that he wants to stay, though there was a patch in December when it looked like the speculation was affecting his game. PS: Thought I read the parties have agreed a contract and would sign in the next weeks? That was the story out when the window closed or are the media recoiling only to come back again for the next round of speculation? In pre-season Brown was one of four I thought would leave, in his case for more games. The other three left for various reasons which I didn’t necessarily guess right but Brown stayed. That has been the same through the years including when he renegotiated contract last. I think SAF will let him decide and when the time comes, a compromise would be struck. Ultimately it will be up to games in the future rather than money which will determine Brown staying or leaving. I do get the feeling throughout that he wants to stay, though there was a patch in December when it looked like the speculation was affecting his game.

PS: Thought I read the parties have agreed a contract and would sign in the next weeks? That was the story out when the window closed or are the media recoiling only to come back again for the next round of speculation?

]]> By: denton davey http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-3013 denton davey Sat, 16 Feb 2008 01:22:09 +0000 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-3013 Wesley is a solid squad player - a good (not great) central defender and an adequate replacement for a proper right back such as RedNev. That said, it's a fantastic "insurance policy" to have a guy like Wesley (or JohnnyO) ready to step in and provide cover when one of the first-choice defenders goes down with an injury. Another thing to consider is the price of a "replacement" . This will be considerable when you factor in the transfer fee AND the wages such a player commands since it is highly unlikely that a "replacmeent" can be secured for less than ten million quid and a weekly wage of about fifty thousand a week. Homegrown players, like Wesley, are always a "bargain" and while I don't believe in paying professional athletes for "loyalty" there is an argument to be made that they provide a kind of double-value to the club. Bearing all that in mind - and also taking into account the club's spiralling income and the need to secure results to maintain that cash flow - I am worried that the "line in the sand" supposedly drawn by management is a classic case of "penny wise, pound foolish". I would be more than happy for both sides to negotiate to find a compromise that makes everyone satisfied - and for Wesley to continue crunching opponents who venture into the Reds' defensive zone. Wesley is a solid squad player – a good (not great) central defender and an adequate replacement for a proper right back such as RedNev. That said, it’s a fantastic “insurance policy” to have a guy like Wesley (or JohnnyO) ready to step in and provide cover when one of the first-choice defenders goes down with an injury.

Another thing to consider is the price of a “replacement” . This will be considerable when you factor in the transfer fee AND the wages such a player commands since it is highly unlikely that a “replacmeent” can be secured for less than ten million quid and a weekly wage of about fifty thousand a week.

Homegrown players, like Wesley, are always a “bargain” and while I don’t believe in paying professional athletes for “loyalty” there is an argument to be made that they provide a kind of double-value to the club.

Bearing all that in mind – and also taking into account the club’s spiralling income and the need to secure results to maintain that cash flow – I am worried that the “line in the sand” supposedly drawn by management is a classic case of “penny wise, pound foolish”.

I would be more than happy for both sides to negotiate to find a compromise that makes everyone satisfied – and for Wesley to continue crunching opponents who venture into the Reds’ defensive zone.

]]> By: franky http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-3011 franky Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:13:04 +0000 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-3011 We have to admit that Wes has a cracking season, even if we still call him the weakest spot in our backline. That said, our chances of him staying have improved with Micah signing a new deal at the Council. At leas we won't hunt him now and with Gary still being out, Wes's chances on a regular spot on the pitch only increase. I'm sure SAF and Queroz will raise his level even more. Look at what they did with Evra. I'm positive he will stay some more. :) We have to admit that Wes has a cracking season, even if we still call him the weakest spot in our backline. That said, our chances of him staying have improved with Micah signing a new deal at the Council.

At leas we won’t hunt him now and with Gary still being out, Wes’s chances on a regular spot on the pitch only increase. I’m sure SAF and Queroz will raise his level even more. Look at what they did with Evra.

I’m positive he will stay some more. :)

]]> By: Scott the Red http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2999 Scott the Red Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:43:25 +0000 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2999 He spent 18 months renegotiating Red Ranter. If I was manager, he would have fallen out of my good books for that reason alone! Don't buy in to the Beckham bullshit. His relationship with Fergie wasn't on the rocks for the last year and a half he was with the club - but thats how long it took him NOT to settle on the money we were offering him. Beckham loved the money more than he loved United. I don't doubt he's seen the error of his ways now though. He spent 18 months renegotiating Red Ranter. If I was manager, he would have fallen out of my good books for that reason alone!

Don’t buy in to the Beckham bullshit. His relationship with Fergie wasn’t on the rocks for the last year and a half he was with the club – but thats how long it took him NOT to settle on the money we were offering him.

Beckham loved the money more than he loved United. I don’t doubt he’s seen the error of his ways now though.

]]> By: Red Ranter http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2998 Red Ranter Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:27:41 +0000 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2998 About Brown, if he still feels, come the end of the season, that he deserves more he should be moved on <b>provided</b> we have a deal in place to get a decent replacement during the close of the season. Unless, of course, we can be 100% sure that Neville is fit as a fiddle and Simmo does a lot of growing up in the summer. About Brown, if he still feels, come the end of the season, that he deserves more he should be moved on provided we have a deal in place to get a decent replacement during the close of the season. Unless, of course, we can be 100% sure that Neville is fit as a fiddle and Simmo does a lot of growing up in the summer.

]]> By: Red Ranter http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2997 Red Ranter Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:25:24 +0000 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2997 I have to disagree Re: Becks. Yes he did quibble over image rights and whatever deal we had to offer at that time. But had he not fallen on SAF's bad books he'd have still kept his mouth shut and continued with us -- at least for a couple more years (who knows?!). He is a thorough professional, who loves the club and has made that pretty much clear numerous times. I have to disagree Re: Becks. Yes he did quibble over image rights and whatever deal we had to offer at that time. But had he not fallen on SAF’s bad books he’d have still kept his mouth shut and continued with us — at least for a couple more years (who knows?!). He is a thorough professional, who loves the club and has made that pretty much clear numerous times.

]]> By: David Quinn http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2996 David Quinn Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:13:55 +0000 http://therepublikofmancunia.com/derby-day-and-dad-why-wes-has-to-stay/#comment-2996 I agree 100%, you can see when Wes is playing he has so much enthusiasm and will bust a gut for the team, when Tevez scored against Spurs you know to look at his reaction he is United through and through. If it means offering him 50/60k a year so be it because the lad deserves it and I don't believe for one second he wants to leave us. I agree 100%, you can see when Wes is playing he has so much enthusiasm and will bust a gut for the team, when Tevez scored against Spurs you know to look at his reaction he is United through and through. If it means offering him 50/60k a year so be it because the lad deserves it and I don’t believe for one second he wants to leave us.

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