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	<title>Comments on: Dippers Reclaim &#8220;Murderers&#8221; Tag&#8230; and We&#8217;re Immoral For Singing About It?</title>
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		<title>By: Pathetic</title>
		<link>http://therepublikofmancunia.com/dippers-reclaim-murderers-tag-and-were-immoral-for-singing-about-it/#comment-310971</link>
		<dc:creator>Pathetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is a complete pile of rubbish.
For one to start, Liverpool fans accept that they played a huge part in Hysel and its disaster aswell as many other contributing factors, inciting revenge for Rome was daft.
Secondly signing without murdering anyone reminding us of what we&#039;ve done? How about sing about your own teams achievements rather than reminding fans, who 99.99999% had fuck all to do with Hysel.
Also you seem to fail to mention the people in the away end who clapped the banner and appreciated it.

Also &#039;Red-Manc&#039; saying we sing murderers? No we don&#039;t, we have it sang at us, when the majority of us hate the fans who participated in causing so much trouble at Hysel.
Also it is nice how the Ingurlish media fails to ever mention what happened to our fans in Rome or how Italians never received punishment for it.

Every set of fans has holligans, at the last Merseyside derby an Everton fan stabbed one of his own because he was walking with his two Liverpool mates.

If you think singing any songs referring to Munich,Hysel or Hillsborough or any other disaster in any way is acceptable, you aren&#039;t a fan and a thug, and singing &#039;won it three times, without murdering anyone&#039; is just thuggish and pathetic.
Your lot sang it and about Hillsborough at the FA Youth Cup game, there are pathetic fans on both sides and the author of this article needs to get a grip, you are insulting millions of people based on what colour of a shirt they wear, might aswell be racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is a complete pile of rubbish.<br />
For one to start, Liverpool fans accept that they played a huge part in Hysel and its disaster aswell as many other contributing factors, inciting revenge for Rome was daft.<br />
Secondly signing without murdering anyone reminding us of what we&#8217;ve done? How about sing about your own teams achievements rather than reminding fans, who 99.99999% had fuck all to do with Hysel.<br />
Also you seem to fail to mention the people in the away end who clapped the banner and appreciated it.</p>
<p>Also &#8216;Red-Manc&#8217; saying we sing murderers? No we don&#8217;t, we have it sang at us, when the majority of us hate the fans who participated in causing so much trouble at Hysel.<br />
Also it is nice how the Ingurlish media fails to ever mention what happened to our fans in Rome or how Italians never received punishment for it.</p>
<p>Every set of fans has holligans, at the last Merseyside derby an Everton fan stabbed one of his own because he was walking with his two Liverpool mates.</p>
<p>If you think singing any songs referring to Munich,Hysel or Hillsborough or any other disaster in any way is acceptable, you aren&#8217;t a fan and a thug, and singing &#8216;won it three times, without murdering anyone&#8217; is just thuggish and pathetic.<br />
Your lot sang it and about Hillsborough at the FA Youth Cup game, there are pathetic fans on both sides and the author of this article needs to get a grip, you are insulting millions of people based on what colour of a shirt they wear, might aswell be racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Red-Manc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red-Manc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scousers are attention seeking rats from the self pity city, singing &#039;murderers&#039; doesnt suprise me really i wouldnt expect anything different from them, there vile scum but atleast they have realised that now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scousers are attention seeking rats from the self pity city, singing &#8216;murderers&#8217; doesnt suprise me really i wouldnt expect anything different from them, there vile scum but atleast they have realised that now.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott the Red</title>
		<link>http://therepublikofmancunia.com/dippers-reclaim-murderers-tag-and-were-immoral-for-singing-about-it/#comment-19305</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok ok, less of the stereotypes then. I&#039;ll just go for cold, hard facts instead.

- &quot;Johhhhhhhn Arrrrne Riise, oooh ahhh, I wanna knowwwwww, how did you break Smith&#039;s leg&quot;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/feb/23/newsstory.sport1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Helping Smith to the hospital&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/feb/23/newsstory.sport1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Offering our fans the height of Liverpool&#039;s culinary experience&lt;/a&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2314568/Liverpool-fans-%27stole-final-tickets%27.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sharing European Cup Final tickets&lt;/a&gt; 
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4943290.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Redecorating Old Trafford&lt;/a&gt;

Of course, Liverpool fans aren&#039;t worse than any other. I&#039;m sure you can show me similar stories from a &#039;lower class of people&#039; than Liverpool fans who are guilty of the same crimes. Feel free to show me news stories of these other fans, whether it be United&#039;s or any other team from the Premiership, in your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok ok, less of the stereotypes then. I&#8217;ll just go for cold, hard facts instead.</p>
<p>- &#8220;Johhhhhhhn Arrrrne Riise, oooh ahhh, I wanna knowwwwww, how did you break Smith&#8217;s leg&#8221;<br />
- <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/feb/23/newsstory.sport1" rel="nofollow">Helping Smith to the hospital</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/feb/23/newsstory.sport1" rel="nofollow">Offering our fans the height of Liverpool&#8217;s culinary experience</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2314568/Liverpool-fans-%27stole-final-tickets%27.html" rel="nofollow">Sharing European Cup Final tickets</a><br />
- <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4943290.stm" rel="nofollow">Redecorating Old Trafford</a></p>
<p>Of course, Liverpool fans aren&#8217;t worse than any other. I&#8217;m sure you can show me similar stories from a &#8216;lower class of people&#8217; than Liverpool fans who are guilty of the same crimes. Feel free to show me news stories of these other fans, whether it be United&#8217;s or any other team from the Premiership, in your response.</p>
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		<title>By: Lone Ibex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lone Ibex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course all of the above in itallics is absolutely true and thoroughly reasonable to the word, and not bitter sniping rubbish. And it&#039;s also very adult and noble of you to resort to it digging it out and bringing down the whole level of the discussion to anti-Liverpool posturing predicated on the tiredest and weakest of stereotypes (let&#039;s not get into the relative crime and violence rates of Liverpool and Manchester/Salford, not to mention the attitude of the people which, as a native of neither but a former resident of the latter and regular visitor to the former I have some views on, football allegiance totally aside) when I was trying to have a more reasonable debate (and to get some answers) about how you can point the finger at Liverpool fans when we&#039;re received so well wherever we go, respect and appreciate even our fiercest rivals (applauding Van Der Sar for example as I said), while you&#039;d rather sing about Steven Gerrard than your own players while playing Bolton and Blackburn to name but two I&#039;ve noted in the occasional United match I see.

I won&#039;t take your word for it by the way, I&#039;ll have a look at the link. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve got a point. Maybe that will make you feel better about the fact that you even slander Scousers in the chants that were devised for your own player and that you sing about Hillsborough in your thousands at Old Trafford each year. Did you hear that Kop singing about Munich this year? That&#039;s right, you didn&#039;t. Scousers, frankly, are a better class of people. Ask anyone who isn&#039;t a fellow Mancunian/United fan or a bitter Chelsea idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course all of the above in itallics is absolutely true and thoroughly reasonable to the word, and not bitter sniping rubbish. And it&#8217;s also very adult and noble of you to resort to it digging it out and bringing down the whole level of the discussion to anti-Liverpool posturing predicated on the tiredest and weakest of stereotypes (let&#8217;s not get into the relative crime and violence rates of Liverpool and Manchester/Salford, not to mention the attitude of the people which, as a native of neither but a former resident of the latter and regular visitor to the former I have some views on, football allegiance totally aside) when I was trying to have a more reasonable debate (and to get some answers) about how you can point the finger at Liverpool fans when we&#8217;re received so well wherever we go, respect and appreciate even our fiercest rivals (applauding Van Der Sar for example as I said), while you&#8217;d rather sing about Steven Gerrard than your own players while playing Bolton and Blackburn to name but two I&#8217;ve noted in the occasional United match I see.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t take your word for it by the way, I&#8217;ll have a look at the link. I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve got a point. Maybe that will make you feel better about the fact that you even slander Scousers in the chants that were devised for your own player and that you sing about Hillsborough in your thousands at Old Trafford each year. Did you hear that Kop singing about Munich this year? That&#8217;s right, you didn&#8217;t. Scousers, frankly, are a better class of people. Ask anyone who isn&#8217;t a fellow Mancunian/United fan or a bitter Chelsea idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott the Red</title>
		<link>http://therepublikofmancunia.com/dippers-reclaim-murderers-tag-and-were-immoral-for-singing-about-it/#comment-19300</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t take my word for it. As I state in the article, check out Red and White Kop. They detail John Smith&#039;s response, blaming Chelsea fans: http://www.redandwhitekop.com/article.php?id=480600

It wasn&#039;t any other club though was it? It was your club. And your club blamed it on someone else. You can&#039;t say every other club would have responded in the same way. Liverpool FC always like to point the finger elsewhere. It&#039;s always someone else&#039;s fault when your fans behave in a disgraceful way. 

Why do you care whether or why we hate you so much? 

I think this sums up the answer fairly well.

&lt;i&gt;Choose Liverpool. Choose the dole queue. Choose to scam disability benefit. Choose mind-numbing, grinding efficiency over flair. Choose Torben Piechnik, Istvan Kozma and Paul Stewart. Choose not to win a single league title since the backpass rule was implemented. Choose penalties. Choose car stereos, hubcaps and stanley knives. Choose to trade on your proud sense of tradition and then not lift a finger in protest when two American billionaires who don&#039;t even know the name of your club decide to buy it. Choose to win the European Cup whilst only having to play seven matches. Choose to bask in a perpetual, sickening, media love-in. Choose celebrities who fuck off out of your city as soon as they have earned the money to do so and then spend the rest of their lives harping on about how wonderful it is. Choose to sing about Munich until confronted with your own tragedy. Choose to end it all in an orgy of self pity, just another excuse to perpetuate the grief culture spawned by your selfish, insular fucked-up excuse for a city. Choose your future. Choose Scouse.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t take my word for it. As I state in the article, check out Red and White Kop. They detail John Smith&#8217;s response, blaming Chelsea fans: <a href="http://www.redandwhitekop.com/article.php?id=480600" rel="nofollow">http://www.redandwhitekop.com/article.php?id=480600</a></p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t any other club though was it? It was your club. And your club blamed it on someone else. You can&#8217;t say every other club would have responded in the same way. Liverpool FC always like to point the finger elsewhere. It&#8217;s always someone else&#8217;s fault when your fans behave in a disgraceful way. </p>
<p>Why do you care whether or why we hate you so much? </p>
<p>I think this sums up the answer fairly well.</p>
<p><i>Choose Liverpool. Choose the dole queue. Choose to scam disability benefit. Choose mind-numbing, grinding efficiency over flair. Choose Torben Piechnik, Istvan Kozma and Paul Stewart. Choose not to win a single league title since the backpass rule was implemented. Choose penalties. Choose car stereos, hubcaps and stanley knives. Choose to trade on your proud sense of tradition and then not lift a finger in protest when two American billionaires who don&#8217;t even know the name of your club decide to buy it. Choose to win the European Cup whilst only having to play seven matches. Choose to bask in a perpetual, sickening, media love-in. Choose celebrities who fuck off out of your city as soon as they have earned the money to do so and then spend the rest of their lives harping on about how wonderful it is. Choose to sing about Munich until confronted with your own tragedy. Choose to end it all in an orgy of self pity, just another excuse to perpetuate the grief culture spawned by your selfish, insular fucked-up excuse for a city. Choose your future. Choose Scouse.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Lone Ibex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lone Ibex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Smith, Peter Robinson and Joe Fagan et al didn&#039;t do anything though did they? If they did fail to acknowledge that it was Liverpool FANS/hooligans (or largely Liverpool fans at least), then that&#039;s inexcusable, but frankly I&#039;m not going to take your word for it given that your probably one of these knuckleheads who refers to Scousers as &#039;dippers&#039; or rat eaters etc.

Now, would you care to answer any of my claims about your support and your culture and attitude in contrast to that of the Liverpool supporters? You had a pop at Milan Baros with &#039;you Scouse Bastard&#039; earlier this year for fuck&#039;s sake, a Czech who left Liverpool three years prior, and that&#039;s the least of your Liverpool obsession.


You cannot argue against the fact that, with the track record of English football supporters at that time, it could have been any club whose &#039;fans&#039; ended up having a major part in something like Heysel, hardly an especially damming endightment that it should be Liverpool fans given how many games the club were involved in in Europe when British hooliganism was at its worst.

And also, people in glass houses shouldn&#039;t throw stones. Aren&#039;t Manchester United the only club whose fans/hooligans have been responsible for the deaths of other clubs&#039; supporters for three decades on the bounce or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Smith, Peter Robinson and Joe Fagan et al didn&#8217;t do anything though did they? If they did fail to acknowledge that it was Liverpool FANS/hooligans (or largely Liverpool fans at least), then that&#8217;s inexcusable, but frankly I&#8217;m not going to take your word for it given that your probably one of these knuckleheads who refers to Scousers as &#8216;dippers&#8217; or rat eaters etc.</p>
<p>Now, would you care to answer any of my claims about your support and your culture and attitude in contrast to that of the Liverpool supporters? You had a pop at Milan Baros with &#8216;you Scouse Bastard&#8217; earlier this year for fuck&#8217;s sake, a Czech who left Liverpool three years prior, and that&#8217;s the least of your Liverpool obsession.</p>
<p>You cannot argue against the fact that, with the track record of English football supporters at that time, it could have been any club whose &#8216;fans&#8217; ended up having a major part in something like Heysel, hardly an especially damming endightment that it should be Liverpool fans given how many games the club were involved in in Europe when British hooliganism was at its worst.</p>
<p>And also, people in glass houses shouldn&#8217;t throw stones. Aren&#8217;t Manchester United the only club whose fans/hooligans have been responsible for the deaths of other clubs&#8217; supporters for three decades on the bounce or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott the Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear all your talk and your excuses and your reasons... but none of it changes the fact fans from the Liverpool section charged the fence, 39 people died, and your club washed their hands of it for decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear all your talk and your excuses and your reasons&#8230; but none of it changes the fact fans from the Liverpool section charged the fence, 39 people died, and your club washed their hands of it for decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Lone Ibex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lone Ibex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Writing in haste I neglected to comment on the &#039;murderers&#039; debate, but I agree entirely with Oliver Kay. Given the vile shite Liverpool fans have had directed at them for so long about Heysel, I can understand the desire to bait those responsible by &#039;reclaiming&#039; the word, but I cannot agree with it or accept it, because it trivialises - no, virtually mocks - the deaths of 39 people.

As for &#039;2-0 to the dippers&#039;, why not. It&#039;s a shite insult anyway, and fuck knows where it comes from. I wonder how many moron United fans who sing about Scousers in council houses themselves live in council houses...

2. Heysel was the responsibility firstly of a few hundred thugs, principally those in the Liverpool end (and probably mostly Liverpool supporters, but as I say, 40% of those charged were from elsewhere), but also those who partook in - and by some accounts instigated - the missile throwing in the neutral section, which was effectively a Juventus area. It wasn&#039;t the responsibility of the club itself. In fact, the club appealed to UEFA in the weeks before the final to move it to a more suitable venue, being concerned as they were about the dilapidated state of the Heysel Stadium, and UEFA, in hosting the final in such an inappropriate and poorly maintained stadium at a time when &#039;fan&#039; violence was pretty regular in European football, and for presiding over such poor organisation, policing and segregation, were somewhat responsible for what eventually happened because of their total and utter failure to take adequate measures to attempt to prevent clashes between hooligans at a time when they were commonplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Writing in haste I neglected to comment on the &#8216;murderers&#8217; debate, but I agree entirely with Oliver Kay. Given the vile shite Liverpool fans have had directed at them for so long about Heysel, I can understand the desire to bait those responsible by &#8216;reclaiming&#8217; the word, but I cannot agree with it or accept it, because it trivialises &#8211; no, virtually mocks &#8211; the deaths of 39 people.</p>
<p>As for &#8217;2-0 to the dippers&#8217;, why not. It&#8217;s a shite insult anyway, and fuck knows where it comes from. I wonder how many moron United fans who sing about Scousers in council houses themselves live in council houses&#8230;</p>
<p>2. Heysel was the responsibility firstly of a few hundred thugs, principally those in the Liverpool end (and probably mostly Liverpool supporters, but as I say, 40% of those charged were from elsewhere), but also those who partook in &#8211; and by some accounts instigated &#8211; the missile throwing in the neutral section, which was effectively a Juventus area. It wasn&#8217;t the responsibility of the club itself. In fact, the club appealed to UEFA in the weeks before the final to move it to a more suitable venue, being concerned as they were about the dilapidated state of the Heysel Stadium, and UEFA, in hosting the final in such an inappropriate and poorly maintained stadium at a time when &#8216;fan&#8217; violence was pretty regular in European football, and for presiding over such poor organisation, policing and segregation, were somewhat responsible for what eventually happened because of their total and utter failure to take adequate measures to attempt to prevent clashes between hooligans at a time when they were commonplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott the Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott the Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lone 

1. Your own fans call themselves &quot;murderers&quot; now, so I don&#039;t see why you&#039;re so upset. Who knows, they might be singing &quot;2-0 to the dippers&quot; next time you play, watch this space.
2. Your club denied all responsibility for the disaster until decades later, blaming Chelsea and anyone else. That&#039;s not the 41,000 fans inside Anfield, that&#039;s Liverpool Football Club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lone </p>
<p>1. Your own fans call themselves &#8220;murderers&#8221; now, so I don&#8217;t see why you&#8217;re so upset. Who knows, they might be singing &#8220;2-0 to the dippers&#8221; next time you play, watch this space.<br />
2. Your club denied all responsibility for the disaster until decades later, blaming Chelsea and anyone else. That&#8217;s not the 41,000 fans inside Anfield, that&#8217;s Liverpool Football Club.</p>
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		<title>By: Lone Ibex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lone Ibex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Dippers&#039;, eh? Does wonders for the credibility of the article that... Oh, and as for reminding Liverpool fans of what murderous &#039;scum bags&#039; they are... That&#039;s of all them then is it? All 41000 in Anfield, many of whom weren&#039;t even BORN when the Heysel disaster took place, most of whom weren&#039;t there? Castigate them for being &#039;scum bags&#039; because of a few hundred pissed up hooligans who behaved in much the way English supporters of all clubs often did on the continent at that time? I must add also that 40% of those charged for what happened at Heysel weren&#039;t even from Merseyside. I&#039;d also like to add that a few of my mates were in Liege for Liverpool&#039;s Champions League 3rd Round Qualifier in August and had drinks brought for them by smiling locals - complete strangers who couldn&#039;t even speak English - simply because they were Liverpool fans. Keeping in mind that this is Belgium, where the Heysel disaster took place, and a country Liverpool have not often visited since - and thus had few opportunities to clear their name directly through their own good behaviour - I think it says a lot about how Liverpool&#039;s fans are generally regarded 23 years on. In fact Liverpool fans are very warmly received more or less wherever they go in Europe.

15 years of domestic supremacy and still United fans sing about Liverpool at more or less every game. 2-0 at home to Bolton last season, and we hear about Steven Gerrard handing in a transfer request, not to mention against Blackburn the other week, they can&#039;t even mention their inferior European record without attacking Liverpool, whether its fans or players it seems. That for me says everything about the vile, poisonous, malevolent and indeed small-time culture of United supporters. I can tell you now that you will not hear Liverpool supporters singing specifically about Manchester United when their team are not playing them. What you will hear is the Kop applauding every opposition goalkeeper warmly as he makes his way towards the goal (Van Der Sar very much included) and chanting the name of any European opposition we face at the final whistle out of hospitality and respect.

So it&#039;s United fans who are the Shithouses, no argument possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Dippers&#8217;, eh? Does wonders for the credibility of the article that&#8230; Oh, and as for reminding Liverpool fans of what murderous &#8216;scum bags&#8217; they are&#8230; That&#8217;s of all them then is it? All 41000 in Anfield, many of whom weren&#8217;t even BORN when the Heysel disaster took place, most of whom weren&#8217;t there? Castigate them for being &#8216;scum bags&#8217; because of a few hundred pissed up hooligans who behaved in much the way English supporters of all clubs often did on the continent at that time? I must add also that 40% of those charged for what happened at Heysel weren&#8217;t even from Merseyside. I&#8217;d also like to add that a few of my mates were in Liege for Liverpool&#8217;s Champions League 3rd Round Qualifier in August and had drinks brought for them by smiling locals &#8211; complete strangers who couldn&#8217;t even speak English &#8211; simply because they were Liverpool fans. Keeping in mind that this is Belgium, where the Heysel disaster took place, and a country Liverpool have not often visited since &#8211; and thus had few opportunities to clear their name directly through their own good behaviour &#8211; I think it says a lot about how Liverpool&#8217;s fans are generally regarded 23 years on. In fact Liverpool fans are very warmly received more or less wherever they go in Europe.</p>
<p>15 years of domestic supremacy and still United fans sing about Liverpool at more or less every game. 2-0 at home to Bolton last season, and we hear about Steven Gerrard handing in a transfer request, not to mention against Blackburn the other week, they can&#8217;t even mention their inferior European record without attacking Liverpool, whether its fans or players it seems. That for me says everything about the vile, poisonous, malevolent and indeed small-time culture of United supporters. I can tell you now that you will not hear Liverpool supporters singing specifically about Manchester United when their team are not playing them. What you will hear is the Kop applauding every opposition goalkeeper warmly as he makes his way towards the goal (Van Der Sar very much included) and chanting the name of any European opposition we face at the final whistle out of hospitality and respect.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s United fans who are the Shithouses, no argument possible.</p>
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