Wes Brown was repeatedly given a hard time by Sir Alex Ferguson when it came time for contract negotiations. In October 2004 the club had offered Brown what they believed to be a reasonable deal and weren’t prepared to budge.
“We’ve made the boy an offer and he’s turned it down,” said Ferguson. “It’s his decision. He can please himself – there are no more talks planned that I’m aware of. If he wants to stay we would love that. But if he wants to look elsewhere that’s up to him – there’s nothing you can do with modern-day footballers. He has changed his agent – I don’t know why. He’s got an agent that has given him advice that I do not understand. I think the problem is with the agent, not the player.”
The following month a deal was agreed and the manager was delighted, claiming he “couldn’t bare to lose him.” Maybe both sides were prepared to give a little and the situation was resolved. However, when the next extension came to be discussed, history repeated itself. Midway through the 2007-2008 season, the club were offering him just £45,000 a week on a new deal. He wanted £55,000 a week.
To give some context, in 2003, John O’Shea was offered a contract of around £35,000. “The one thing I don’t want is for people to say I can play anywhere,” said a 22-year-old O’Shea. “It’s fine for this season because it’s done me the world of good but over time I want to stay in one position.”
Four years later and O’Shea had failed to nail down a place in the starting XI but certainly was a very useful utility player. He was rewarded with a contract worth around £50,000 a week.
Back to 07-08, Gary Neville was out for the season meaning Wes was our first choice right back and with 52 appearances, played more games for us than any other player. When you consider this was the season we won the Double (with Wes missing just two league games all season and supplying the assist for our only goal in the European Cup final) it added further weight to his argument that he should be rewarded for his importance to the team. Yet the club still tried to take the piss out of him. Why? Because they thought they could.
“Players of today live in their agents’ pockets,” Ferguson said two months before Wes eventually signed. “It’s a situation which depresses me at times, it really depresses me. Wes has been with us since he was 13, but I don’t think that matters these days. Players’ agents live their lives for them and if you are happy to go along with that, you get the situation you have got just now. But Wes knows this and the other players have told him. We wouldn’t have made the offer if we hadn’t had faith in him. It’s in his hands. It’s amazing really given that he has had such a good season and has had such a good run of games while Gary has been injured.”
So, because Wes had been with the club since he was 13, he should settle for any old salary whilst lesser players earned more. O’Shea was megging Figo when he signed his first big deal in 2003, skipping out on the lesser contracts most players his age who have come through the ranks sign, the kind of contract Wes will have signed at that age. This meant by 2007 they had to bump it up even further, despite the fact O’Shea hadn’t fulfilled that early promise and was used as a utility player.
Then think about how much money Rio Ferdinand was earning every week when he was banned for eight months through his own stupidity, only to then take months agreeing a new and improved contract when he returned. There was no criticism of him by the manager though.
The fans booed Rio during the 2005 pre-season friendlies and rather than agreeing with us, claiming that he was in his agent’s pocket, Sir Alex defended him. “I’m not entirely happy with the reaction of the fans,” he said. “Players who go on the field and hear their own fans booing them is not encouraging at all.” David Gill and Carlos Queiroz offered similar statements of support, “You have to think about your worth,” Gill said. “I respect him for that.”
The foreign players or the bigger names we bring in are afforded time and support whilst ridiculous sums of money are put in front of them and rejected. But the local lads, who are offered lower salaries, are expected to sign. The club means so much more to them yet the club seems to punish them for that.
“I’m a Manchester lad and would love to play for United for the rest of my career,” said Brown in 2001.
“I’ve been here since I was 13 and don’t want to be anywhere else,” he said in 2004.
“I’m a Manchester lad and Old Trafford is still the only place for me,” he said in 2007. “I would love to see out my career at United. I’ve no intention of going elsewhere.”
“I would do anything for the club,” he said later that year. “It is certainly hard to imagine ever playing for anyone else. Hopefully that won’t happen. I am happy here and hopefully I can stay here.”
“To be part of a team I have supported all my life is a great honour,” he said in 2008.
He didn’t start talking to clubs behind our back, he didn’t show a lack of commitment on the pitch, he just asked to be paid what he felt he deserved and was demonised by the club for it.
Some players have a “loyalty” bonus in their contract, whereby if they don’t hand in a transfer request and don’t try and leave, they will be rewarded. What about the players who want to stay regardless? What about those who have always dreamed of playing for that club, give 100% every time they’re on the pitch and would do anything to stay forever? What is their reward? Just being offered a new contract at all, it would seem, regardless of whether it’s on a parity with those of a similar status who happen not to be local.
Danny Welbeck may be the latest player to receive the Wes Brown treatment after the club and player have failed to come to an agreement on salary. Whilst the manager insisted there were no problems last week, it is clear there is some disagreement behind the scenes. This isn’t an unusual situation where new contracts are concerned, with both sides keen to get the best deal, but I would like to see a resolution with allows Welbeck to feel valued.
It’s interesting to note that as a 5-year-old, Danny was playing football on the streets of Longsight with a 16-year-old United trainee. Who else? Wes Brown. On Markfield Avenue at No 42, with a red front door, lived the Browns. On the opposite side of the street were the Welbecks.
“We didn’t encourage it at first – we thought Danny could get hurt,” said Brown. “But the concern didn’t last long, to be honest. Once Danny got started, you could see he was decent. He had the skills and he could look after himself.”
Here are two Manchester lads, who will have worn their United shirts as they played on the fields, lifting their collar like Eric Cantona or trying to take players on like they were Ryan Giggs, who had achieved their dream.
“There is no better feeling for a Manc kid than scoring for United,” Welbeck said in August 2011.
“I’ve been in Manchester all my life and I’m a Manc through and through,” he said in April 2011.
“I suppose I’m just like any other normal Manc boy, really,” he said in September 2009. “To be given the chance to play for United is a dream.”
“Scoring in front of the Stretford End is what every young boy from Manchester dreams of,” he said in November 2008 after scoring on his debut. “I loved it. I’ve thought about it every day of my life ever since I started playing football.”
So, when you get a player who talks like this about the club, instead of rewarding them for that loyalty, it seems as though United are keener to take advantage of it.
Welbeck has reportedly been offered £45,000 a week but is holding out for £60,000. Danny’s agent is his cousin and will have probably taken note of the fact Chicharito has just signed a deal reportedly worth £80,000 a week. Of course, Hernandez had a blinding first season with the club, scoring 20 goals, but the new deal was as much about keeping Real Madrid at bay as it was rewarding the player. His agent had spoken to the Spanish club and there was no way United were willing to lose this gem of a player.
However, Welbeck is ahead of Chicharito in pecking order this season, scoring 9 goals in 21 games, a strike rate of 0.43 goals per game, which rivals the 0.44 goals per game from the Mexican last season. Why should Welbeck put pen to paper on a four or five year deal which sees him earn pretty much half as much as a player he is keeping out of the team?
This is not a matter of money, rather principle. Whether it was £45 a week or £45,000 a week, Welbeck should be offered a deal which is in keeping with his position in the squad and comparable with those around him. If the club want him to prove himself over the course of a season, as Chicharito did, then fair enough, they can open negotiations again in the summer. But Welbeck would then have just 12 months remaining on his current deal and nobody wants us to be in that situation.
I’m not one to pander to the precious culture we see from footballers today but then I also do not agree with the club taking advantage of our local players either. They shouldn’t be expected to be paid considerably less just because they’re desperate to play for United, that is backward. Instead, let’s celebrate the fact we have local lads in the team and see to it that they are duly rewarded. Fingers crossed it will all be sorted out soon and that Welbeck’s Manchester United career goes as well as we all want it to.
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Agree with STR. Welbz should be at par with Chicha at the moment.
Pay him better, Sir Alex, he’s just won the Arsenal game for us.
If he’s dong the business, pay him the money.
I agree. Danny should be offered the salary he deserves. Fergie has come out and said welbeck’s situation isn’t a problem and hopefully that’s the case because he’s so talented. Welbeck clearly loves united and for that, he should be rewarded.
I’m sure everything will be sorted, well i hope so anyway. I feel he’s a better all round striker than hernandez and will be keeping both the mexican and berbatov out for a while and for that, i am delighted.
Hopefully the contract situation which has been exaggerated a little by the media will be sorted sooner rather than later.
Maybe, just maybe, the issue with Wes Brown was that he was injury prone, so they were reluctant to give him a bigger contract with the fear that they would need to pay him while he was out injured.
Also with Hernandez, he was rewarded the contract after the season ended, which was reward for his performance. Welbeck has been doing it for only half a season, so he would do good to continue his performance, and wait until the end of the season to ask for a similiar contract to Hernandez. That would justify things alittle more I feel.
Steve Claridge made a similar point on 5live the other night. A guy came on for Wrexham who had been at the club since he was nine yrs old, to which Claridge said “I can tell you one thing, if he’s been there since nine, that he’s earning next to nothing.”
Pay him what he deserves, before someone else does.
I agree, it’s a matter of principle … Pay him better, he’s brilliant and a true Red
Even though Chicarito had an awesome first season… I was well surprised he got a new contract worth £80,000 when I first read it..
but yeah I agree man.. Welbeck is fast becoming one of my fav players at United.. it will be SO sad to see him not get the contract he deserves
I totally agree. The youth is our most precious resource.
Really? The club are blinking at a 15,000 difference? Bebe was how much….?
60K is a bargain, and the damned right thing to do, and if Danny won’t take less and moves on then more power to him. Why should he make substantially less than Chica and less than his market value just so the Glazer’s can pocket more.
by the way guys..
anyone know the latest on Jones, Nani, Carrick injuries??
Interesting discussion point but little has been mentioned that Wes Brown had major injuries and was considered injury prone.
Wellbeck may or may not deserve the salary he is asking for but in the end the club drives a hard bargain which is a good starting point. Eventually they will come to an agreement.
great points and i agree with you scott but to play devil’s advocate, welbeck has not proved himself over the course of a season quite so much as chicharito. if you think about it chicharito’s accomplishments last season were a) more surprising and b) probably more difficult as he was adjusting to a new league. danny has plenty of time to earn the new contract – and we do usually reward good form and hard work, but more over the course of a season than a few months.
i do agree that loyalty tends to be a weakness in contract negotiations as players like welbeck and brown can’t exactly threaten to move elsewhere or leak stories about negotiating with other clubs. they’re manc through and through, which actually gives the club the upper hand.
Having Welbeck on £45k a week and Hernandez on £80k a week would be ridiculous… Welbeck is ahead of him in the squad now.
yep give the lad the coin and dont take advantage of his genuine loyalty to the club its not right, what will the other kids coming up think?
Bloody good article! This stuff is making me so cranky lately. Danny is the clearest ‘good case’ but the whiff of stinginess isn’t far from the Pogba and Morrison contracts either.
Lesser clubs can see the business case for taking these kids while we appear out of touch with the market. Shit, over the lifetime of the three contracts we’re looking at what, three-quarters of a Babe?
Anyone other than SAF would be suspected of being on a profit share, stashing the money and having a couple of years perspective only. But SAF is United, so what gives?
Maybe no one has the nerve to remind him how times have changed. The market is the market, you buy or you don’t buy; but if you resist then you face losing your young talent, losing your squad depth (damn, we’ve needed Big John and Wes this year).
Cough up. This stinginess is embarrassing.
Can anyone put me straight on why there was a fall out between Wes Brown & SAF….Heard all sorts of shit ….mainly with regard to Wes calling SAF a cunt….
Costas ….you got any info to what actually caused the rift
Do we know for certain that Hernandez is on 80k? Look at the paper talk about Rooney which seems to range anywhere from 150k to 250k. Perhaps Welbecks agent is asking for 60k before addons where as Hernandez 80k wage is the maximum he could earn.
Also the last thing the club wants to do is agree to the first demands, just as the players agent shouldn’t agree to the first offer. It’s contract negotiations after all. If players agree to the first offer they will get less than they deserve and if the club agrees to the first demand then they will overpay and will make a rod for their own back when other contracts come up or new players are signed.
At the end of the day it’s paper talk just trying to make a story out of nothing more than normal negotiations. Both sides will make comprismises and he will sign a new contract
60 thousand doesn’t sound too much imo. He’s only gonna get better. We should find a compromise with the lad and sort it out asap. Danny’s star is rising. The club know that anyway. No doubt if other started sniffing around Welbeck, United would act, without hesitation. Give the lad his dough, Glazer!
*clubs*
Its called negotiations guys, Welbeck deserves more but the fact is the club will want to pay as little as possible. Over the next few weeks and months the club and the player will eventually come to an agreement. Neither wants Danny elsewhere.
I wrote about this a few days ago if anyone wants to read it:
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/contract-negotiations-aren-t-just-fun-and-games
Afternoon Reds
Bloody hell Scott, you’re on fire at the minute. These are the articles I came here for in the first place. You’re back, you’re totally back. Nice one.
Anyways, sorry if you guys have already seen this but I figured it worth a share…
On the 12th day of Arsenal my boardroom gave to me
12 Bottles of kicked water,
11 Shit players,
10 Points behind spurs,
9 Players diving,
8 Goals from united,
7 Years of nothing,
6 Red cards,
5 Trophies in 15 years,
4 English players,
3 Touch line bans,
2 Quiet grounds,
And a cunt called Thierry Henry…
The comparison between DannyTheLad and Wesley Brown is wide-of-the-mark because Wesley just couldn’t stay healthy.
The comparison with Chicharito is also a bit odd since Chicharito had his initial contract re-negotiated AFTER proving himself for a whole year whereas DannyTheLad is only just beginning to round into form. By-and-large, UTD have stepped-up-the-plate to keep their core players happy although there have been exceptions like TheWayneBoy and, before him, Keane-o. It’s true, though, that the Mancs lads -Giggs, Scholes, and the RedNevilles have given UTD a “home town discount” – but that’s hardly hurt them or their pocket-books as these guys have accumulated gigantic bank balances. I feel that it’s impossible to sympathize with a kid who’s not even 21 and earning FIFTY THOUSAND QUID each-and-every-week of the year, guaranteed for five years. That’s Ten Million (or thereabouts) before he’s turned 26, leaving aside any “re-negotiated” raises in the time between now and 2017/8. Enough already !
If Fergie feels it’s the right time to ship out wes and o’shea then i agree with him. Yes the squad has been depleted with injuries but if o’shea or brown were at the club then the young defenders wouldn’t have the chance/confidence to step up and be real united players.
Brown/O’shea have been great servants for the club but no time for nostalgic sentimentality. They both wanted to play more games and have chosen the right club. I’m sure Fergie will try strengthen the back four with one or two centre halfs next season and either bring players through the youth or buy to strengthen other positions in the squad.
I agree pay him his worth, Wellbeck is gonna be awesome, and a home grown striker too, hope he stays till his career comes to a close….
@Mes
Quality stuff!! specially Liked the Henry party hate that Kanoute wannabe cunt!
Wakey – you nailed that comment pretty well. I don’t get all the aggo surrounding welbeck, he has the right attitude and mentality for united, he’ll sign the new deal. All you gotta do is watch him play with passion for the club.
we need to fucking keep him case closed
Very interesting article, maybe there is a hint of us “taking advantage” of the loyalty that the Academy boys have. A couple of points though:
1) Is it SIR ALEX who gave Wes a hard time? I’m sure its the likes of David Gill who do these negotations?
2) Are we sure Chicha is on 60-80k a week? If that’s actually the case….then fair enough, Danny should be on the same rate (after the season’s over though, he needs to carry this form on through the season like Hernandez did). I’m not sure Chicha’s wages are that high though.
Not commented on here in a long time but happy to see the fans are finally starting to appreciate just how great a player Welbeck will become for us.
Hernandez is an amazing player though he is not doing pretty well lately i mean only six goals this season =(
I think it’s a problem that too many average players get ridiculous salaries. I mean, ofc there must be some kind of salary structure at the club that rewards loyalty. Still, I find it hard to pity anyone who is a footballer and earns that kind of money. £50,000 a week is a mental amount of money…
Don’t see the point of the thread as another lad pointed out it’s called negotiations,STR making a mountain out of a molehill based on speculation.Wonder if STR wants to make a wager about Danny signing a new contract,didn’t think so
TOP POST!
Obviously the Club will pursue the best deal for the owners, so it IS annoying to see supporters calling their own players cunts just because they hold out to be paid their true worth.
End of the day Danny Welbeck should be on the same money as Hernandez, simple as that. He’s earned it imo, and I doubt theres any real disagreement with the Club but I’d be fucking shocked if Danny left us. He’s the best striker we’ve developed for a very long time and his mate Cleverley is on the verge of making the same impact. This is the future of the Club…
SIGN EM UP FERGIE!
We haven’t had a striker come through our ranks and become a first teamer since Mark Hughes, 30 odd years ago.
So for Danny to even get this far shows he’s got some ability. Would be madness to let him go, and I don’t think we will.
He’ll sign a new contract, probably in the summer.
pay him.
It will all be sorted out. Fergie is NOT gonna risk losing Danny.He loves him.
Welbz19 – Hey up pal. Good to see you on here. Yes you have always rated Danny haven’t you. Nice one mate.
I don’t believe for one minute Hernandez is on 80 large a week. I really don’t.
Where have all these “negotiation problem ” stories come from? The fucking Daily Mail?
I don’t believe Rooney’s on 250k a week either. The press love speculating though!
@ Gaz, HA! Kanoute wannabe! Quality!
Fuckin’ David Bellamy wannabe right now with that stupid beard…
Danny deserve it,arrest my case.
lebomanc
welbeck was marvelous but missed too many goals this game .
If Welbeck signed for another club (god forbid) he’d be on 60k+
The best way to increase your wages as a footballer is to get a transfer. I remember reading
Peter Swans biography a year or two ago and every time he needed a few quid he got his agent to find him a new club. He’d wangle better wages and a signing on fee or get a new car thrown in.
There is no doubt that United take advantage of players who are die-hard fans because they know they don’t want to move on.
Spot on. If Chicharito is anywhere around 60-80k, then so should Welbeck. Getting sick and tired of hearing about the “evil mastermind” agents to be honest. It is what it is nowdays. Are we going to adapt or pretend we are still in 1992?
In other news, Martin Atkinson will officiate the game at Anfield. SUPER!
Paris St Germain are hopeful to land Carlos Tevez by offering him a lucrative deal and the chance to play a lot closer to his home……… Notre Dame Cathedral.
King Eric
whats up mate. Hernandez is on something close to that if not the 80k. When he signed a contract last season his agent came out with a statement along the lines “now Javier is on similar level to so so and so” can’t remember the blokes he mentioned but i think he did mention nani,berba
Irrelevant post,in fergie and united I trust.sir alex fucking take care of players,money or health wise.welbz will sign,he loves the club,we want him to stay and stay he will.you read daily mail too much scott and wes brown was injury prone,had one fully fit season so comparison was wide of the mark.stop questioning the club in public,get your facts right scott.you said hernandez “reportedly” earns 80k,that can’t be true.for me no problem with welbeck,u just staring one up.not giving enough example render this unnecesary.how many home growns have we produced and how many have bin treated bad,just brown? You doing a good job thou,just be more spot on.
Martin atkinson welcome back a.l.a the great costa
no disrespect to anyone…
although Wellbeck is a rising talent…u dont want to spoil the kid with more money….and the comparison with Chicharito….80k a week seems reasonable for me….he had a blistering first season…an international who couldnt stop scoring….and a great world cup debut….you dont want this kind of player to feel undervalued while other top club sniffing around…
@king Eric how are you mate? Still been coming on just not commenting.
Have always rated him seen a lot of him from 15 onwards, always looked like he was gonna be something special sooner or later.
I agree Sir Alex won’t risk losing him and Welbz won’t wanna go anywhere else, seems like standard contract negotiations to me!?
None of us know what any player earns. None of us know what is being offered or asked for. To start an argument based on figures pulled out of the arse end of a daily rag seems a little futile. I’m pretty sure Sir Alex is as aware as we are of Welbecks progress and potential, we aren’t some super scout that has spotted something special that the boss hasn’t. As such I’m sure Sir Alex will reward Danny appropriately. If Sir Alex wants to keep a player who incidentally also wants to be kept, then he’ll pay what’s needed. I think Danny will sign and will be payed appropriately.
Denton
I agree mate, I find it hard to shed a tear for a lad being paid to play football, whatever price that may be!
in the end the boy’ll sign. doesn’t look to be affecting him on the pitch, players look okay with him too. media have a serious hard on for anything that discredits United and paints us in a bad light
I was just saying this yesterday. We have to give the boy a new deal. He is becoming our Best striker. He too should be realistic with his wage demands. He is getting first team football at a football superpower something VERY RARE that he will not get anywhere else be it Barcelona or real madrid the only other superpowers in world football. But we MUST give him the contract. He is a super player and has a very bright future ahead of him.
Speaking of young players, has any seen the lad in the reserves , his names sounds like Janasay I dont think that’s spelt right but what a classy player.
@mes
thanksfor that xmas song, i got me late pressies yesterday and am drinking them now and enjoying the festive lyrics, i thank you sir
I’m sure he will sign the contract at the end if the season. SAF knows what a talented and loyal player he is so I’m sure the club will offer Danny a good deal.
Don’t worry about big bent Marty Atkinson refereeing at Analfail – he was the man in the middle when THIS happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJqs4OFsiKA
Off topic.. Scott Wooton has been recalled from Petersborough.
@slim
Nah, it hasn’t affected him. Actually contract deadlocks usually bring out the best out of players. I remember something similar happening to Giggs back in 2005. The problem with that, is that each week Welbeck is justifying his demands more and more. If this issue drags on until the summer and if Welbeck has a good Euro 2012, then it will be extremely difficult to convince him to sign on for 45k.
Fred
Quality! What a finish by Sheasy and what a celebration from the boys. How much do you think Sir Alex’s celebration pissed the dippers off. Funny!!
Hello everyone.
Costas
Lend me a few quid mate, i know it’s you!
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2995/betting/2012/01/23/2862372/greek-punter-correctly-predicts-16-matches-including?
Good evening Red Devils around the world,
Yup i m confident that Danny the lad will get the contract he deserves so much..
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STAT:
160 – The number of times the woodwork has been struck in the Prem League. Most by Liverpool (19), fewest by Arsenal (3).
It’s in my blood
Or could it be more betting scandal. Someone had got to Wenger which is why he threw Arshavin on!!
MikeKelly12
Ha ha!
You had to feel for Arshavin in some ways, his face with the reaction of the “fans” said it all, the lad was in shock!
No response from our Greek friend, perhaps he’s panicking, knowing we’re on to him and the thought of all those begging letters arriving!
It’s good to give Costas!!
Fred and Mike,
Thanks for the trip down memory lane..
Sir Alex jumping like a school boy
That Big Edwin and RedNev celebration will be talked, talked and taked in our folklore…
@It’s in my blood
Sorry I didn’t respond sooner mate. I was out to buy my new Ferrari.
The secret is out then.
It’s in my blood
Joking aside I felt for the lad! The gooner “faithful” (oh the irony) were a fucking disgrace! These are the same fans who were singing his name as he was banging the goals in against the dippers a few years back!! He doesn’t go on there to play shit on purpose! There’s no love lost when it comes to arsenal but that was just wrong, and laying the blame for our winner soley on his shoulders is pathetic! Tony V was on fire and where was the fucking left back?!
It’s in my blood,
Our Greek stat genius is busy betting on the coming games
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and i have to feel sorry for Arshavin..we fans are so better, we dont boo our players..
Evening Sandeep. Hope all is well?
This is what Arry had to say on Baloteli kicking parker in the head..
‘If he deems that not to be a sending-off then he shouldn’t be refereeing football matches, never mind World Cup finals. Maybe he doesn’t see it.’
Hope my fellow bloggers from Manchester will kick this Balotelli asshole on the 1st chance you guys get..
He is a fucking disgrace..
Since Scott Wootton is back, anyone fancy him getting a run out pretty soon in the first team? Especially if our problems don’t go away?
Another player that’s gone missing this season is Oliver Gill. And it’s a shame because he was very likely to feature this season. But academics come first…
Mike,
all is well mate, thanks..hope everything is fine with you as well?
any news on Kings? Hope he returns!!
MikeKelly12
What little confidence Arshavin had left must have well and truly gone now after that reaction.
Sandeep1878
No word from the FA then re Bollocktelli?
As we know, if it was Rooney, the charges would have been filed by 9 am this morning.
(with the verdict decided upon the previous evening!)
The next 3 games are damn crucial to our season, hope we have kicked on,
if we win the next 3 – its gonna make a hell lot of difference..
Liverpool v Manchester United (Saturday January 28, kick-off 12.45pm) FA Cup fourth round
Manchester United v Stoke (Tuesday January 31, kick-off 8pm) Premier League
Chelsea v Manchester United (Sunday February 5, kick-off 4pm) Premier League
Hernandez has good world cup, followed by a FULL outstanding first season. While Welbeck is undoubtedly talented, and I love seeing local lads come through he’s only had decent season SO FAR for us. Other considerations (which i’m not saying is right but considerations nonetheless) are that a) i’d imagine globally hernandez sells more shirts and money counts to clubs these days. I personally think some other signings (manucho/dong fangzhou/diouf) would in part be to reach more parts of the market globally. Obviously, Hernandez is quality but bet he’s selling more shirts than Welbeck
b) International superstars have to allow for our 50% tax rate for top earners. To entice foriegn players, we have to pay them a little more. If a player ‘earns’ more here, could be in france or italy he’d be taking home more of what his weekly wage is. Again not saying it right, but clubs do factor this in. Spain’s tax rules are currently changing to something like ours, so there may be slight disadvantage there now.
But overall, think if Wels can prove himself this year, carry it into next yr, work his way into england squad (he deserves to be in) then i hope United will recognise his improvement. But don’t think its right to argue just coz he’s in team now he should be on more money. Bit of ridiculous argument really
Its in my blood,
Yeah mate unfortunately FA wouldnt be finding the right angle of cameras to punish the bullocktelli..
and of course all their cameras are directed on UNITED and our players..
@ Costas,
Hello pal,
Yeah even i was wondering about the Gill..
he went with the academics but what surprised it me is the timing of it..
He won the best academy defender and next thing he quits
Breaking News!
The FA have banned Wayne Rooney for 4 games, after Balotelli’s kick on Scott Parker.
Lodi3000
whatz wrong mate?
what makes you feel that Danny the lad might not be a global star 2-4 years down the line?
even if we went by your shirt selling story..
Nope, i wont agree…
We wouldnt send our scouts from one continent to other just to make sure that we find a player who can increase our shirts sales..
nope..
Willie my friend,
always humorous and out of the box..
u have come up with a clever, fancy yet practical ban theory
@Sandeep
Hi mate. Like you I was also surprised at the timing of the whole thing. Gill was coming along really well and I was looking forward to seeing him get some games for the first team this season. Given our options in defence this season, it’s another blow we’ve had to deal with. Not that I blame him though. I would have done the same in his shoes.
On the contrary i m confident that even Chicharito will get good number of games because of the versatility of Danny compared to Chciha..
times will come where we will take out a winger, play with 3 strikers, with danny the lad shifting to wings..
at the moment, i wouldnt start with chicha, Danny has been immense, be it scoring or pressing the defenders when he is off the ball and he is very energetic and strong comparatively..
Costas,
Yeah pal, he was coming along well..
to make the things bad, Richies has returned with an injury from Norwich
..
Feels like ages since we had a settled, constant and identifiable back 4…
and i still wonder how Evra keeps up the fitness always..
I would rather pay Danny market rate for his services and sell Berbatov in the transfer window if there is not money to do that. Berbatov earns 100k a week warming a bench and the Club expects to pay Danny half that. In my view pay packets should be reversed.
Diouf claims French interest
Striker says he has ‘many contacts’ regarding a possible move
Sandeep
Nowts wrong mate, and not sure where in my post I said I didn’t think Welbeck would be a future star. Think if you read my post, it says i like seeing local lads come through but i’m talking about now. My post says if he improves i’d want United to offer him better contract. Think if you read my post properly, you’d realise i weren’t saying anything negative bout Welbeck. I even said i think heshould be in England squad if you read my post properly.
And it might not be that those players were signed to boost sales, but look at how short term some of them were at our club, and how bad they looked at times. Dn’t think our scouts did great job if they thought they were united quality. Wouldn’t put anything past the Glazers to make money out of our name.
Good evening TonyBee!
ex Goal .com
Mame Biram Diouf says he isn’t all that keen on a move to Brest, despite being told the Ligue 1 outfit are interested in him. “I have many contacts, but nothing is done yet,” he told Sky Sports. “Brest can be interested, but I have a contract with Manchester United until 2013.”
Diouf not keen on Brest? Now there’s a headline…
Welbeck is likely to get what he wants. England caps will see his value rise. New rules on having home grown so Fergie will wanna keephim. Add to that the fact Fergie can dictate when he’s “unfit“ for Ingerland but ok to play for United unlike his sway with foreign Managers.
Perhaps he should feel Brest out. Touch base, with a view to a deeper relationship.
Ballotelli Charged just now, Lescott escapes punishment. Seems like Bernstein has had his cock in Mancini once more.
ex BBC
The FA has charged Manchester City striker Mario Balotelli with violent conduct after he appeared to stamp on Scott Parker, during their home game against Tottenham Hotspur. He now has until 6pm on Wednesday 25 January 2012 to respond to the charge.
Sandeep – Hello pal. I wouldn’t put it past the FA!
ex BBC
City’s Joleon Lescott will face no further action following his incident with Tottenham’s Younes Kaboul in the same game.
Stamp out thuggery. Stamp out the Bitters.
Ban the whole squad, including Mancini, banish them to the blue moon graveyard.
willie – Top comment on Rooney’s ban!
dazbomber – Hello mate. Yeah top little player. Bit thin at present and odd looking but a class player. He is the kid who was on youtube juggling the ball and doing tricks at 5 years old.
Scott wooton is a great centre half. Has he been recalled because he is injured or because we need him back?
Sandeep – Hello my friend. Heard from Kings yesterday. Went to the game.
King Eric – Hello mate!
manutd .com say:
Scott Wootton’s loan spell at Peterborough United ended today (Monday) after a discussion between the young Manchester United defender and his temporary boss Darren Ferguson.
Ferguson told the Championship club’s website, theposh.com, “It is a joint decision to be honest. I had a chat with Scott and he felt he wasn’t really playing enough games, so I was happy to let him go back to Old Trafford.”
Wootton started Saturday’s home match against Brighton but was substituted at half-time with Peterborough trailing 1-0. His Reds colleague Ryan Tunnicliffe later set up an equaliser for David Ball with a fine cross, only for Will Buckley’s second goal of the afternoon to win the match for the visitors, 2-1.
While there’s only one Red remaining at Peterborough, there are now two on loan to Hull City. Robbie Brady scored the only goal as Hull secured a vital 1-0 away win over promotion rivals Reading. The Irishman made the decisive move in the 66th minute at the Madejski Stadium, springing the offside trap to round goalkeeper Adam Federici and coolly finish. Joshua King made his debut four minutes from time, coming on as sub for injured right-back Liam Rosenior but playing up front in a reshuffle. Hull are now three points clear of the sides just outside the play-off spots, including Blackpool, Reading and Leeds.
Meanwhile, Federico Macheda was an unused sub as United legend Mark Hughes won his first home league match as QPR boss. A change of strikers meant Macheda and Jay Bothroyd, both starters in the FA Cup win over MK Dons, made way for DJ Campbell and Heidar Helguson. The latter scored one penalty and missed another as QPR beat Wigan 3-1. Macheda is the only Red on loan in the top flight after Ritchie De Laet returned from Norwich due to injury.
Finally, John Cofie played 90 minutes for Belgian side Royal Antwerp in their 2-1 away defeat to Sportkring Sint-Niklaas.
King Eric- hello, I’ve watched him a few times now , a lot of nice touches very nice to watch like you say a bit thin at the moment
Stewart Gardner says:
“At one point during the game my co-commentator Paddy Crerand confused Patrice Evra with Patrick Vieira (don’t ask me why, I really have no idea) but hearing Vieira’s name just seemed to emphasise to me how far Arsenal have fallen – surely the Gunners side featuring Vieira and co. would never have produced such a limp performance. Incidentally I really don’t like to criticise Arsenal – the Emirates is a great place to go and they provide individual pots of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream to the press – surely the hallmark of a top club!”
So let me get this straight. Rio sticks an elbow out against Hull and is banned for 3 games. Lescott does the same and is cleared of any charge? Fucking Bernstein.
Mario Balotelli charged with violent conduct, has until 6pm Wednesday to respond. Will serve four-game ban if he accepts the charge. Liverpool game with City at 7:45pm.
I guess we should count our blessings that Balotelli was even charged.
SuperMario gets four games BUT Lescott gets a free pass. Just the consistency that we’ve come to expect from FA.
Lescott would have been a greater loss than Balotelli hence Bernstein let him off the hook with a forearm smash!!
Lodi3000..
No issues pal, i dint take them negatively, but what i arrive at is Danny has as good a chance as Chicha when it comes to global popularity, but agreed that Chicha has got a head start.
cheers pal.
Willie— I bet that with FA mate – “the last honest footballing body in the world” can do anything when its US.
Costas,
yeah cunt Bernstein – obviously the FA dint find any camera evidence about the Lescott elbow..fuck them all cunts of the highest order – especially that Bullocktelli..fucking cheap disgraceful cunt..
King Eric,
Hello my friend..
Good to hear that you and Kings were are the game shouting out loud for our lads..
Convey my regards the next time you see him and also convince him to return soon!!
and i hope you and your family is in good health..take care pal..
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If Mario Balotelli wont get a 4 game ban then we all know that the last honest footballing body in the world is for real
@Sandeep
If that was there problem, there’s a gif clearly showing Lescott elbowing the Spurs player and then running away. I guess no one sent it to them…
Truth be told, City couldn’t lose him right now and Bernstei made sure they didn’t. Balotelli is different. Mancini won’t mind not having to deal with him for 4 games!
(If he gets banned of course)
Welbeck should be paid on par with Chicharito whatever that may be. He is far more complete player just needing to a little more deadly finishing at times.
Plus it will show the academy what can be achieved with hard work and performances.
I’m sure fergie will get him his contract anyway, nothing to worry about here!
What’s the difference between Rio’s elbow and Lescotts?
FA is pure lottery and they didn’t have the guts to ban both.
Mike,
forearm crash
Smarty,
howdy mate?
thanks for the loan update…
btw, wat happened to Zeki..with Jonesy out and rafael not sure, i think its time for him…
and i hope we dont play Valencia at right back when Ashley returns..
Valencia has been a beast..esp in the last 2 months..may be we are in for consistent top form from the Ecuadorian?
Sandeep – Rafael not sure? He’s not even injured. Was taken off because of his yellow card.
They’re fucking thugs!! Surprised they’ll have any fuckers left at the end of the season! A city mate of mine said he’d rather have Balotelli out for 4 games and 3 points than having had him sent off, only 1 point and a lesser ban. And therein lies the rub, whichever way you look at it city got away with murder and ourselves and the spuds miss out on closing the gap!
King Eric – Cheers mate. This Lescott thing has bugged the fuck out of me? No case to answer? Ridiculous. Collymore speaking well for once on TS.
City fans saying the lescott smash was just a melee in the box…. Hmmm
Zehl…
I read someone mentioning that he kinda had a niggle? my mistake then…
Lets hope he is fit and raring to go..
Good night pal..
Good night ROM, first thing tomorrow morning… and we shall see more blunders from the last honest footballing body in the world by that time..
UNITED…
Rooney 250,000 Wellbeck would be on 1/5 of that……hmmm I wonder what we should do.
Great read Scott: Danny asking for 60, offered 45. Split the diff and offer 52/week. Sorted.
Off topic: Different rules for United. Julian Lescott clocked Kaboul with venom. It was seen by several cameras. No charge. In 2010 Rio Ferdinand innocently pushed Craig Fagan away when the lad was draping himself all over our defender trying to get a response. It was seen from one camera 100m away. Rio got a 4 game ban. Right, then…….makes complete sense……..right. Different Rules for United.
WRN
18.38 ha ha, excellent!
Giggs12 – Rooney is definitly not on 250k a week. max. 180k with all bonuses
Fletch the man
You should be the clubs negotiater, I have my 1-2-1 in work how you fixed to be my agent for when I ask for my payrise.
Some points to note:
1) Manutd are stingy,always been before Glazers and after. Self imposed financial rules.
The result , one of the best managed and financially successful clubs.
2) The numbers they like to keep to ,like never more than 50 % of revenue for salaries.
They like to keep it around 45 %.
This means ,the number of players in the academy U-18s, reserves and first team hover around
certain figures . Balanced with salary and other money being payed out.
3) We spend what we earn not by taking debts. No sugar daddys, everything has to accounted for.
4) There has always been a pay hierachy at United. For example few player earned 100k a week.
Keane,Beckham,Rio as example. Gary,Scholes Phil, probably 50 to 80 k.
5)Wes was injury prone and not one of the top players in the team.
6) The performance related pay structure at United , they paid him around 50k a week.
7) Wellbeck is being groomed to be our new hero,face of the club, he will be paid based on the pay structure the club have , with future contracts in mind, that wud certainly see his pay rise .
8)U need to have a good agent, to push yr case, simple as that.
9) Dont make a mountain out of a molehill, Welbeck will get his dues. When he grows stronger and becomes one of the top players at the club he will be one of our best earners.
And that means ur not just competing for place on the team but yr succes translate to earnings.
Thats another case to show how difficult it is to manage a football team at the highest levels.
How do u keep yr players happy,united and prepared to fight for each other and not focus on the pay hierachy.
shitty ,chelski are fucking themselves cos they have no balance in all the parts that make the total sum.
Wayne Rooney gets exactly 604,800 a week; just like the rest of us.
Remember this?
http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s237/st50658.htm
Scholes got a 3 match ban for PUSHING someone. Should have used his forearm…
Zelh
I think he is mate but to be honest I’m not arsed either way. We could lock Danny boy down for 5 years and I would rather see a local lad on 60k than a mercenary on a hell of a lot more. Danny kisses the badge becaus he means it
Giggs12,
Cheers mate. I doubt its more than 180 tbf and several have quoted 160/week for Rooney. Where are you getting 250?
Even so, Rooney is a different deal entirely. Sorted senior member of the squad. Designated pen taker, potential captain. Key for England. Potential england captain. Only england player on FIFA team of the year. Only england player in for FIFA goal of the year. 2011 POTY nominee and past winner. 2011 FACup goal of the year. perennial goal of the year candidate. Danny is potential, Rooney deserves his money. Hope his attitude bounces back which is probably more what you were complaining about.
Want Danny sorted though. Lad has been great and deserves a great contract.
Giggs12 @20:07 Cheers lad. I’ll work for cheap as well
Sorry zelh and fletch the football genius I mean more the ratio Danny is not holding the club to ransom at 60. I don’t know the full facts on rooneys deal but I just thought it os well documented he earns 250,000. Red issue report he is on that.
Fletch the football genius
Mate Rooney would have been worth every penny if we thought he played for us because its Manchester United not because we would match cities offer to stay.
Giggs12. 20:37, Too true son, to true. Still weeping about Wes and John O’Shea. Wes probably wasn’t going to get another game though, but I did love him in the shirt.
I CAN NOT wait for us to win the league ahead of those mercenary scum bastards!!
Just to add this is not a Rooney rant he is a world class player like it or not he held us to ransom.
Danny will sign a deal whether it is 46, 50, or gets his 60 I just hope its the latter. STR was bang on with this thread.
hello everyone,someone posted 2 comments with similer non as me,i don t know how?!!united should tie wellbek to a long term contrat,whatever he demands,he will be the striker in europe in 2 years,he and smaling&jones&cleverly are the core of our future great team who will dominate both in england &europe,right now we should bring new faces before window close,many talk about subotic,but hummels is better than him great cb who can also play in the midele would cost us around 15million
Talking of money, ol ‘Arry was on 10% of profits from transfers, but it appears it slipped his mind and neglected to inform the relevant authorities.
Easily done, innit?
Imagine if SAF was on the same sort of deal, he’d have netted about £7mil from Ronnies sale alone!
MG, come back , we need a piece on ‘Arry’s deals!
It’s in my blood
I think iced earth is on the sane deal, the amount of new faces he keeps going on about wanting us to buy in the window.
MikeKelly12
That explains it!
Triffic!
Well I can’t talk about others people’s players but he is triffic. We would love him down here but it ain’t going to happen, triffic player though
ITV 4 – MEEETING THE ERIC THE KING QUALITY, ON NOW!
Seen Ref’s statement about Balotelli.Can anybody enlighten me on what his statement if any regarding Lescot’s assault.
All a bit of a yoke really
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2090557/Mario-Balotellis-120-000-Bentley-pelted-eggs-stamping-controversy.html
Forget my question,seen his response that if he had seen the incident he wouldn’t have sent him off as elbows in the face are run of the mill incidents in football.So that’s that cleared up then it is a punishment reserved for Manchester United players on a par with swearing at cameras.
I disagree with the viewpoint that Welbeck should be on a par financially with Hernández (one is a proven international class forward and the other is not) and I also disagree with the idea that Welbeck is or has the potential to be the more complete player (not really sure what that means) of the two. Just my opinion mind.
I imagine both players will develop their game significantly over the next 5 or so years. For me both are quite similar is many respects and similar improvements could be made to each players game. Except for one area. In my opinion Hernández looks to be the better finisher and once he’s properly rested and positional adjustments corrected, I expect him to come back into the team and once again make himself indispensable.
That said, I hope Danny goes on to be the player we all hope he will be. Hopefully both will contribute great things to our team in the future.
@FletchTHEMAN & @Giggs12
I suspect the papers haven’t completely pulled the figure out of thin air but I doubt the £250k is actually his wage. It’s no doubt his wage + an estimate of his performance bonuses he is likely to earn each week + signing/loyalty payments divided by length of contract in weeks + estimated income from image rights each week
His actual wage I would guess is in the range of £150-160k that many reports use.
Just realized, we haven’t had a left sided player in ages. Since Giggs retirement,no one’s taken the mantle, Nani’s been admirable but you can tell his best moments will come from the right (or center).
Ravel is left sided, right?
slim – Ravel is more the Rooney type. Roaming through midfield. shifting from the centre to the left or the right. no difference if the ball’s on his left or right foot.
I like the way everybody says give Danny the £60000 a WEEK….I don’t earn that in 3 years. Jeepers what a life it must be….
I’m going to come out and say it – SAF should have nothing to do with contracts, what the hell is he doing messing about in these issues anyways. SAF can give his straightforward appraisal of the player to David Gill and the latter can sort out the contract, treating it as a purely business decision. True there is truth the what SAF might have to say about agents and players being money-grabbers, but he is better off leaving it to the business people at the club sort out contract negotiations. SAF can run the football part, which he is there for, he is not there to manage the clubs finances and he’s certainly not qualified to do that either. Let the businessmen handle the business.
So today is address a problem day? When I do it, I get hung from a tree by the Elite supporters.
watching highlights of african cup. Some bad football being played here. Keepers are mad, tackles even madder
Wakey, That’s the number I have as well and supported by a recent number given by Andy Green. Cheers.
@Mahesh – I don’t think Fergie does get involved tbh, which is why I was miffed at Scott saying Wes was given a hard time by Sir Alex. That’s unfair IMO, I think he does leave these things to the men in suits.
RE Rooneys wages, w/o incentives: This just in from Andy Green via twitter.
andersred Andy Green
@FletchTMs_Gran @R_o_M nobody knows obviously, but I would trust @DTGuardian’s estimate of £180k pw
1 hour ago
My view on the wages is that the measure of the man is what he does with fame a fortune. There is a saying in heartland culture that is appropriate:
“To those who much is given, much is expected”.
One can only hope that Rooney and Collene will continue to support charities and lend their names to good causes. After that, let’s hope Rooney continues to favor us with his talents for many years.
Hernandez might be a great finisher but at the highest level, that simply isn’t enough.
You can’t always score but you can create and that is where welbeck beats hernandez. Danny isn’t the finished article just yet but his all round game is very and can be developed further into top class. Technically, he is better than hernandez and that is why hernandez will find it difficult to get back in. Welbeck will continue to improve his finishing and looks to be doing so.
Hernandez is a ruthless finisher but lately due to injuries and lack of appearances, he hasn’t found the net. The confidence he had in his first season has gone down a little but he himself can look to develop some aspects of his game. His holding of the ball, passing, linking up, assisting e.t.c. He simply can’t solely rely on being a “Fox in the box”. Hernandez can improve too but so will welbeck, the jostling amongst them with rooney to start will be fascinating.
Nani with broken metatarsal (foot) and out for 2 weeks. Crickey!
GetWellSoon son!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2090790/Nani-set-miss-Manchester-United-FA-Cup-tie-Liverpool.html
Costas is going to freak about that one
Could be broken. Not confirmed. Jones isn’t as bad as first feared.
We are gonna be down to bare bones for the trip to the dippers. I’m not looking fwd to that game at all. We’re gonna have to be clinical with our chances if we’re to get anything out if it, that’s for sure.
Samuel – one thing I’ve noticed with Hernandez this season is his first touch is really poor. That is probably down to sharpness, but also a lack of confidence will do this too. He’s had it rough this season, but let’s hope he can come good for the run in and give us a much needed boost up front.
Phil Jones’ Birdshit Streaks
not looking forward to the game? aww. where’d your balls go? lol.don’t be scared it United vs liverpool. i’ll play those dippers anyday with any player with United on his chest
The arsenal have kicked us off the park and that has resulted into some injuries to one of our key players.
No matter what the media or some fans would like us to believe, nani’s injury is a massive blow. He’s a match winner and that’s another arrow taken from our bow. If it’s 2weeks as nani said then i’d be absolutely delighted but i’m bracing myself for the worse. The injuries are piling up and i just really hope it eases up at some stage.
Phil jones bird – i agree. I think it’s that second season syndrome coming into effect again. I think the whole league are now more aware about his threat and that is when he’ll have to elevate his game to combat this. Everyone knows how The top strikers play but yet they still come on top against most defenders. For hernandez to be regarded a great player, he’ll have to step up his game even further.
As you say, he needs to sort his first touch out and the confidence is obviously on the low but it’s no Suprise after his head/ankle injuries. For a player with such impressive movements and pace, he gets caught off side far too much, needs to sort that.
I do hope he recovers his form as His goals will be crucial to our season. I just want United’s injury to really ease up.
Slim – haha. Yeah usually I’d fancy our chances against them any day or the week. I just think we’re gonna get kicked off the park, as Dogleash is gonna have them all fired up with talk of ‘revenge for Suarez’. I expect Evra to get a ton of stick from their fans, which we all knew would happen anyway, but I also expect some of their players to target him with bad challenges. I hope the ref is on top of it, that’s all.
Need to keep the lad, no doubt about it as he’s a true red devil. However I would insist that the coaches work harder on him to get his finishing more deadlier. Another win should be on the way at anfield on saturday hopefully
If Nani has cracked a metatarsal, it will be a lot longer than 2 weeks out I am afraid. Looking at 4-6 weeks out there.
Samuel said that they kicked us off the park. Wenger’s football philosophy evident again. And it will only be worse against the dippers. Just play a 2nd string team I say.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9034077/Martin-Atkinson-set-to-end-11-month-absence-from-Manchester-United-games-for-Liverpool-FA-Cup-clash.html?
I forgot that it was this long since we saw this cunt. Don’t know about anyone else, but I find the timing of this very suspicious. Why not the Stoke game 3 days later?
Most of us have views on how much Welbeck should be paid.
There are difficulties we face when having this discussion, not least of which is the unavailability of an accurate yardstick, as we don’t know (or cannot agree) what the other players earn.
From the comments one might say that his wage should be:
(Javier Wage) > (Danny Wage) > (0.5 * Javier Wage)
Other unknowns include contract structure, which is broadly varied and financially critical.
While interesting, this is a random discussion.
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Welbeck, Morrison, Pogba, Berbatov, Rooney, Hernandez.
All these players can and do (or will) earn much more from non-playing activities as a United registered player than they would playing for Newcastle or Leverkusen, and probably more than if they were with perennial losers Real Madrid.
Welbeck will be financially richer after 5 or 10 years at United, than if he left now for a 50% increase. This additional earning potential means that a ‘par wage’ at United relies less on his stipend (a fixed regular sum paid as a salary) than at other clubs.
45,000 United pounds = 60,000 Chelsea pounds = 450,000 Newcastle pounds
(figures accurate at time of going to press, for later rates, suck your thumb.)
Sir Alex Ferguson says in a letter to the 5,319 Manchester United supporters travelling to Saturday’s FA Cup clash with Liverpool:
“I wrote to fans attending the away match in October urging them to co-operate with stewards and officials at Liverpool so we can make a strong case for restoring our allocation for future United games at Anfield. The fans did almost everything asked of them that day and as a result, we have a much improved allocation for this important FA Cup tie.”
“Please do everything you can to continue that good work and protecting next season’s allocation by going to the seat that you’ve bought, not blocking aisles and gangways, respecting the stewards and following the ground regulations. FA Cup ties are tense affairs at the best of times. Add in the fact that Manchester United against Liverpool is the biggest game around and it becomes even more so.”
“Your support is vital to the team and down the years that has been especially true at Anfield. But please put the emphasis on getting us into the next round and giving the sort of support you are famous for – positive, witty and loud.”
The Sun says:
Danny Welbeck is expected to sign a £42,000-a-week five-year deal within the next fortnight.
The Reds board is confident rookie Welbeck will put pen to paper now as both camps have found some middle ground. It is believed United’s original offer, which was more heavily linked to bonuses, has been tweaked over the last seven days to get closer to a basic-salary deal.
Welbeck is now in line to pick up around £37,000 a week — with further add-ons for appearances and goalscoring — having originally been offered £27,000 a week before bonuses.
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Somewhere between £27,000 and £80,000 sounds about right then.
welbeck should be given a fair deal unlike wes who should have just accepted what’s in front of him…i know he’s a local guy and all but he was never united quality…
Good morning Red Devils around the world,
Smarty,
Good read on Sir Alex letter to us..
Costas,
I think it will be more than 2 weeks for nani
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and regarding that cunt atkinson..FA wont get a better opportunity than this..
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as our injuries stand tall, this is my pick for Anfield,
_____________Anders_____________
Rafael______Evans______Smalling______Evra
Valencia_______scholesy_______Park/Carrick_______Giggsy…
______________________Rooney____________
______________________Danny_____________
I read that Even carrick will be unavailable for anfield..dont knw if its true..
Martin Atkinson has officiated three previous Liverpool matches this term, and all have all involved a red card for the opposition!
- Arsenal’s Emmanuel Frimpong in the Reds’ win at the Emirates back in August.
- Everton’s Jack Rodwell in the derby at Goodison in October (subsequently rescinded)
- Mario Balotelli in the home game against Manchester City in November.
Brown not United quality?
Well he stayed here for close to 15 years,so he probably had pictures of Sir Alex in his Daffy Duck underwear and used them as blackmail…
@Sandeep
Lets just wait on Nani then. Fergie didn’t say anything after the game and that relaxed me a bit, but he obviously was in a lot of pain. If he can’t put any weight on that foot, then it could very well be broken somewhere. And if that’s the case, he’ll miss all our upcoming big games. As for Carrick, he has a tight hamstring, so he might be rested. If it gets worse, he could also miss weeks of action. Anderson should be back though. Like I said earlier, I know that it’s a Liverpool game and all, but I just want to see it through. Don’t care if we play the reserves. The Liverpool game I want to win is the one on February 12th.
Costas,
yeah the one on Feb 12th will be more crucial without any doubt..
Lets hope Carrick and nani will be fine…
and i really hope Anderson is available…
Cleverley via Twitter: Morning people! Very good mood today. Hard days training and the back to bradford for some family time tonigh
On This Day : 24 Jan 1999, United beat Liverpool 2 – 1 in F.A Cup 4th Round. Goals scored by Yorke 88′ and Solskjaer 90′.
Here is the 3 minutes highlights of that game..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv4254r0lQs
What will be most important to Dalgliesh,he has one foot in the final so does he go for it big time, so when he hands in hi resignation letter he is still king kenny..Or does he consider the game against United his priority?Personally I hope its the former and Liverpool do what comes naturally and they take out City’s danger men Silva etc and kick the shit out of them like was done with Nani,I’ll watch with interest.
CROoney says:
welbeck should be given a fair deal unlike wes who should have just accepted what’s in front of him…i know he’s a local guy and all but he was never united quality…
haha you cant be serious.. he was with the squad for 15 years. he won a CL final with united and was on the bench when we won in 99.. won numerous PL titles.. gave his all for the team, local lad, loves the club. what else constitutes united quality?
dickhead
mattos – moron..johnsen and may also won the CL , does that mean anything ?! richardson played for us for a long time yet he wasn’t united quality..just because we dragged wes because he was a local boy who loved the club doesn’t mean he was quality you fucking retard…costed us way too many points…the only good season he had was when he played on the rb position..clueless idiot
what else constitutes united quality ? well certainly not slipping,making blunders directly responsible for goals, failing to mark goalscorers, giving away penalties etc
Hernandez has 6 goals so far and has been injured, Welbeck also has 6 goals so far after he has completed a full season and has done as well as Hernandez did for us in his first season then I might say he deserves the same money Hernandez is on. Hernandez not only scores goal, but he also shifts merchandise for Manchester United as well, didn’t 50,000 Mexicans join our site because of him. Plus we won the League and got into the Champion league.
ha. Wes Brown never United quality. Your statements get funnier CROoney. He was key to our double in the 07/08 season for starters.
Costas – Ha. You beat me to it mate. As I say his statements get funnier everytime he posts!!
parry – They did a poll on LFC tv last night. “Which game is more important to win. Man City or Man United?” NINETY percent voted the United game. It seems they are more bothered about beating United than actually getting to Wembley after 90 minutes. Smalltime as they come.
CROoney – Do you EVER have anything decent to say or are you just full of nasty snide remarks? Wes Brown was fucking top class pal.
@mattos. King Eric
If a United can’t comprehend why Wes Brown was United quality, then he’s a lost cause. I’m sure an empty seat at the Bernabeu among all the other plastic fans that don’t rate Ronaldo is waiting for him.
King Eric.
Surprising that.Wonder if king Kenny will fall into line with that and sacrifice the chance to leave as a prize winner.I’ve got him down as a me me me guy.
Wes Brown not United quality?! Sorry, but I am not having that, absolute rubbish. The guy was class, one of the most natural defenders we’ve had, and if it wasn’t for injuries him and Rio would have been at the heart of defence for both club and country for a decade. You don’t play for Utd for that many years if you’re not Utd quality.
parry – Hhmm. I wonder. I think Kenny may think differently like you say.
Costas – Ha. Spot on. It disgusts me those pricks at the Bernabeu that dislike Ronaldo. Do they not realise what a talent he is? Spoilt bastards. Even at halftime in the Copa del Rey Scott Minto the nomark was having a pop at him. What did you achieve Scott you rentboy nomark? Ronaldo is a goal machine and without him Madrid wouldnt be sitting 5 points clear. White Hanky waving cunts.
lol wes brown was key to our double…yeah…not ronaldo, rooney and tevez, but wes fucking class brown..oh, and i just love “the natural defender” remark…saf once said it and regreted it and people still use that shit without actually knowing what it means…nemanja vidic is the best natural defender in fergie’s era , not wes fucking brown…ask rival supporters about wes brown and you’ll see if anyone thinks he was top class…and that will tell you how blind you are…one good season in 15 years
Oh bore off and go support Ramos.
Man Utd is doing exactly the same with Paul Pogba and Ravel Morrison. Let them go and soon they will start to terrorise other teams … then sir Alex will try to break banks to bring them home! Why on earth can’t they give the kids closer to what they want and give them a chance to prove what they can do .. if they dont cut it, we can still sell them!
johny – well wes certainly ain’t terrorising any teams apart from his own…as for pogba and morrison – they’re yet to show they can cut it with the fellow pros…so far when they were given the chance in the cc they were nothing short of mediocre…they did absolutely nothing so i dunno what’s all the hype about them..danny , on the other hand has proved that he is united quality