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Dutch coach with egg on his face after Moyes criticism

Robin van Persie was subbed off during our defeat against Yokohama on Monday and David Moyes confirmed afterwards that he had a slight injury.

“Robin just felt his thigh in the first half and we didn’t want to take any chances,” he said.

Ahead of the game, Moyes claimed that he had been overtraining Van Persie to get him up to speed.

“I have been impressed by his professionalism as well,” he said. “We have overtrained him this week to try and make sure we build up his fitness but he has never complained about a thing. What we are trying to do is get him in a condition that would allow him to do exactly what he did last year: score goals for Manchester United and be a really big influence on the team and its performances. I am hoping he will be as big an influence again this season.”

Dutch coach Raymond Verheijen, who has who has worked with Barcelona, Chelsea and City, laid in to Moyes after he talked about Van Persie’s later injury, claiming our new manager was a “dinosaur” and was to blame for injury.

“It really makes you wonder how these pre-historic training methods can still take place at the highest level,” he said. “The only way to solve this problem in Jurassic Park is to improve education of these dinosaur coaches, fitness clowns and scientific cowboys. But as long as most dinosaurs are still in denial and ignore how things develop in other countries, nothing will ever change in Jurassic Park. Obviously, players like Van Persie should learn to protect themselves better against ‘overtraining’ and ‘punishing training’. Hopefully, next generation coaches who do want to make a change in Jurassic Park will get a bigger podium so we get rid of old boys network. All over the world in pre-season you see the pattern ‘overtraining-fatigue-injuries’. Always avoid accumulation of fatigue in pre-season.”

Van Persie has today been confirmed as fit and will play in tomorrow’s match.

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  1. MUFCJord says:

    Why on earth should he care about Moyes’ training regimes? Clueless.

  2. andymanc says:

    MUFCJord,he used to work with the bitters enough said.

  3. JohnnyAVi says:

    Guy sounds like a prick. if i was moyes id headbutt his teeth down his bastard throat

  4. Rukky says:

    Has he got a job presently?

  5. Costas says:

    God forbid a player is overtrained in his first few days back after a vacation. The madness!

  6. Ichie says:

    Even losers have opinions. That is the side effect of 24 – hour news and twitter. Every dick, Tom and harry want to be heard even when they are spewing drivel.

    Can’t wait for Moyes’ first trophy and all so called experts will run for cover. Moyes will throw egg and whatever on your faces

  7. Wakey says:

    Didn’t he pipe up a few times last season as well? He seems to have a chip on his shoulder. Did we hire someone else over him or something.

    Its highly unlikely that our whole fitness coach and physio setup is as out of touch as he seems to think

  8. Blotto says:

    That original article also stated that he is known more for his spasmodic outbursts than his coaching ability! The fact that he has worked at City & Chelsea but not for any length says more about his perceived lack of ability than anything else!
    There is only one Dinosaur in the room and it’s called “Verheijenborus”

  9. kanchelskis says:

    This guy’s an absolute loon. Only really known for these occasional, indiscriminate outbursts. Best ignored.

  10. Gerriered says:

    that creep must be feedin from either mansours or abramoviches pocket

  11. Bobby Charlton's Combover says:

    As Kanchelskis says best ignored…shouldn’t have been reported to be honest.

  12. markdegea says:

    I heard that after 3 training sessions, Anderson started crying. Hahaha. Jokes apart. The man is an attention seeking clown. Everybody wants to be recognize, hence they tend to talk about man utd

  13. Horlanz says:

    Enemies have started criticising moyes Era even when he has not stated his first season with United. That was how they criticise SAF throughout those glorious years he spent with United but SAF was so wise very dedicated to his job and was so focus to achieve so greatly for United and he ended up as the best manager in the history of football. So moyes should be less concerned about what those maggots may be saying. All their opinions are irrelievant, so disregard.

  14. Zino says:

    Totally uncalled for. What’s this guy’s problem? “An absolute loon”? Best description!

  15. Marq says:

    This, from a person that no top club chose to keep.

    Enough said

  16. Elbonf says:

    Can this Verheijen guy tell my boss not to overwork me until the season starts too ?

  17. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    Dutch have very different training methods and focus.

    However, I don’t know how he could now what Moyes training regime is.

    Re. over-training – I don’t know enough about the subject to know if this is a good or bad thing. Sports science is a big game.

    In terms of Adnan not having physicality for EPL. I don’t think physicality is the be all end all. There are players like Modric, Da Silva, Oscar, Hazard and Mata who are not that big but still start regularly. Ronnie was not the physical monster he is when he was playing regularly for United. Raheem Sterlng etc…Giggs is not exactly huge, never has been. De Gea was not huge when he started playing regularly, needs to be bigger as a goalie and filled out a bit more and he’s fine. This idea you need to be all muscle and headless chicken for EPL is….”JURASSIC PARK”.

    Ofcourse Adnan has to grow into his frame, but training with the first team will bring him on as he will be training and learning from the best players rather than someone at Stoke and you can tell he wants to learn and Giggsy has taken him under his wing. I can’t see why he can’t play in the EPL. He is tough and strong, may not be at his physical peak now but if he’s good enough, he’s big enough.

  18. jose m says:

    When at Arsenal, was in not every time RVP went on international duty that he got injured?
    But by the sound of this guy it wasn’t the national set up. Jus someone trying to get noticed,

  19. Red Mist says:

    Dinosaur, lol.
    Bang on.
    Moyes football style is all about fitness.
    Run around for ever but with no ability or skill.
    This is our future.

  20. wayne says:

    Red Mist erm being fit doesn’t suck the ability out of a player you thick cunt

  21. xyz says:

    Although the guy’s comments are fairly ignorant given he knows none of the details, Moyes new fitness drive is an interesting one to watch. We’ve had more than our fair share of injuries over the last few years and a big step up in fitness training could be a watershed moment – is there a danger of overtraining players who some claim already play too many games a season already, or will the new regime give them better core fitness and hopefully cut out some of the injuries we’ve suffered in recent years?

    My thoughts when you see the fitness, distances covered and matches played of say the Barcelona midfield it can’t do our lads any harm. That said, I don’t know enough about it to say on whether it is more likely to cause or prevent injuries. Anyone any idea of what Everton’s stats for injuries looked like last few years?

  22. rexmania says:

    And what is his fucking business on moye’s pattern of training. He is just a fool looking 4 attention.moreover he’s a idle man.just shout verheijen

  23. Red Mist says:

    Wayne, if that’s all they do, it does.
    You thick cunt.

  24. kanchelskis says:

    @Red Mist

    Yeh, that’s right. Moyes’ training regime is pure physical conditioning, with no ball work or tactics whatsoever. Sounds about right. Well done.

    You thick cunt.

  25. wayne says:

    Oh ok so what your saying is in Moyes’s training sessions all the players do is exercise no football lol what a fucking stupid statement
    I’d like to point out players like Ronnie are head and shoulders above most other players because he does have ability and a very disciplined training regime.Players like Rooney and Ando have never realized their potential because of their lack of commitment to fitness
    Read any fitness book you want,fit body,sharp mind that’s just a fact.Reading Evans full interview he gets up two hours earlier than he used to and attributes nutrition and a fitness regime to why he’s still at the club.
    Want to take cheap shots at Moyes at least try and make sense instead of looking like a idiot

  26. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    @ xyz – Everton had a few player like Miralles injured but I don’t think they had any huge crisis. The squad was generally fit and small.

    Moyes like he said himself may have befitted from having Rene around to share ideas with at a high level. He seems like he is open to listening an Rene and him could have thrashed out details. But managing Anzhi is obviously a bigger job and an opportunity for him to make his mark at managerial level.

    Anyway, Rene is not there but I am sure the medical staff and physios who prepared Rio’s incredible routine are. So there should be input from that angle. Moyes actually has spent a lot of time sitting in on top coaches training sessions, he even used to ask worldcup coaches if he could watch them. There is no lack of willingness to learn and he has studied training methods world over. He is a huge student of the game. The task is now putting all of that together at this level and showing what he can do. Also I am sure he is aware some players need to train differently to others due to their physiology, people respond to high impact training differently. But the players have to be fit.

    RVP with flights, games, training, different conditions has had a tough intro, if he gets injured now its game changing – he owns his shirt!

    For me, I am looking forward to Ando’s new Ronnie like physique. He was said by players to be the laziest trainer, I’d like to see Moyes get him up to form. Yoga, stretch, fitness, tactics, games.

  27. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    @ Red Mist – what you meant I believe is that the focus may be too heavy on high impact physical fitness training and this could affect the ability of players to keep fit when more technical lower impact work could achieve the same aim? Steve Round is the main fitness guy now. Neville spoke well of him but I have no idea what the routine is, looking forward to seeing some of the training vids.

  28. aaronDS says:

    seriously cant be no time training with the ball !
    Its probably like rugby training sessions . one whole day probably just fitness . Usually clubs break the sessions into technical and fitness types . Maybe he allots whole days to them . Day 1 fitness , Day 2 tactics and ball control etc

    A fitter manutd squad can press better like Dortmund and Bayern . I think we are no where as good in terms of fitness being a top Euopean side.

  29. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    United have always been a very fit team. This is why we score so many goals in the last few minutes because players are trained to keep going until the end when opponents are wilting.

    The times we look tired are when our MF can’t keep possession and it’s constant defending. This is nothing to do with fitness, its more tactical, any team chasing a team like Barca will wilt.

    SAF produced very fit teams that played to the end and were always a threat and wore opponents down.

  30. wayne says:

    No Red Mist wanted to take a shot at Moyes that is obvious,there was no constructive criticism.Unless Red Mist attends everyone of Utd’s training sessions like the Dutch idiot who made the comment in the first place nether are in any position to comment

  31. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    Let us also admit all this travelling and sponsor commitments is hardly ideal preparation for what will be a brutally sharp start of season. United often start slow. We need to come out of the blocks firing with everyone fit and ready.

    Maureen is a cow, but can be a clever cow. Chelsea will be hard to beat, they were already on the up. It is amusing how Maureen keeps on banging on about youth and bringing them through like he was ever interested in that. He is clearly bitter he did not get the United job and positioning so he may be considered if Moyes fails.

  32. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    Article on Moyes training –

    Bear in mind SAF would have known Moyes methods and likely sent people to watch Moyes training carefully before appointing him. If he thought his methods were rubbish or not right for United he would not have recommended him. No way SAF made a recommendation without thinking that through and doing his homework.

  33. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    “Ferguson has insisted that his eventual successor must leave his own mark and not ape him, though he acknowledged that Moyes will certainly give the players a rude awakening by putting them into tough training practices.”

    - If this quote is correct SAF knew Moyes training would be different to Rene’s and his.

  34. wayne says:

    I just don’t see a negative with having fitter players and is certainly no reason to take a shot at Moyes unless the person has an agenda against him or the club

  35. Canada says:

    This guys an idiot.

    Really, given the man games we’ve lost to injury past several seasons, I’m all for a different type of training regime. The old one seemed to have too many players on the treatment table consistently.

  36. xyz says:

    I must admit I don’t get some of the negativity re Moyes I see on the forum.

    If you genuinely think he’s a bad manager, then shut it and get behind the team. The only reason to slate him now is so you can “tell everyone so” if things go wrong……surely supporting the team is more important than that.

    If you’re not 100% sure about him, get behind him and the team and trust in SAF’s judgement – he’s rarely led us wrong.

    I personally think we’re getting a highly motivated man, not afraid to do his own thing but respectful of the club and its history (he’s even admitted he needs to brush up on it a bit more!). He has a proven and consistent track record with limited resources. Under his guidance Everton produced and blooded some excellent young players. He’ll bring in some new ideas which maybe we need, and some new players we mightn’t be 100% sure of but he deserves our backing now and for as long as he’s at the club. And he has eyes of steel which command respect.

    For the record, I think he’ll go on to do great things at United.

  37. King Eric says:

    Fucking arsehole. Every cunt and his dog having a pop at Moyes. I forget under genius Wenger Van Persie was never injured. Oh hang on. Mind your own business you tosser.

  38. King Eric says:

    Red Mist. Fuck off you cunt. All you’ve done is have snide digs since day one. Do one you boring prick.

    Xyz. I would discount Barca mate as those lot are on fucking drugs. Gotta be. Never injured. Play about 3000 games on spin. Fucking lab that place! Everton seemingly fielded same lot week after week so not many injuries it would seem.

  39. King Eric says:

    No far as I’m aware not Steve Round but Tony Strudwick still main fitness and conditioning coach. Best about. Top bloke. United have always been a very fit side like NBI said.

  40. Wakey says:


    All those players you mentioned spent atleast their first season struggling for consistency. Their skill let them show moments of magic but their lack of physicality prevented them really shining. It took them (well those who have had more than 1 season) to have to get stronger so they could hold their own and really show their quality beyond a few clips for their youtube highlight reels.

    And no-one is talking about having them challenge Arnie or Sly but there’s a certain level you need in the PL that you don’t need in many of the less physical leagues around the world

  41. NBI Red Moyesy says:

    @ Wakey

    I think the physicality gets stressed over talent. There are lots of big strong physical players in the EPL who are short of top level. I think these guys may look more lightweight than they are, they are actually super fit. Also what better way to learn how to handle the physical side than get stuck in. It worked for De Gea and others. Zaha I think is already there as the most experienced. Adnan & Lingrad, Carling cup and bench then maybe a short loan.

  42. FletchTHEMAN says:

    Now we have ITK fitness guru’s?! It was only a matter of time. :roll:

  43. Red Mist says:

    Kin Eric,
    Hmm, you make a compelling argument.

    Blind loyalty is obviously your strong point.
    Hope that works out well for you when reality slaps you in the face come the start of the new season.

  44. LonestarRed says:

    We did a lot of “overtraining” as Marines. We were dinosaurs as well. But funny thing, it was our adversaries we always ended up becoming extinct.

  45. LonestarRed says:

    “who” not “we”


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