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Evertonians on Moyes

135821111_moyes_447585cAs for most privileged Reds of Generation X and Z, Fergie is all I’ve ever really known. Whilst in the deepest recesses of my subconscious rests Big Ron, Fergie is the only footballing face of authority I’ve ever really recognized. This has rendered a significant number of younger United fans extremely anxious, constantly questioning and treating this new person at the helm with caution, suspicion even. He’s wholly unfamiliar, and a lot of Reds evidently aren’t comfortable with the novelty.

So I decided to further familiarize ourselves with the man known as David Moyes, or Moyesey if you’re feeling playful.

They say the best predictor of the future is the past. So I deemed it appropriate to procure some informed insights from a triumvirate of lifelong, matchgoing Evertonians, who weighed in on all things David Moyes, including his tenure at Goodison Park and his first half-season at Old Trafford. Furthermore, it’s always refreshing to acquire the thoughts of those emotionally-detached from MUFC to establish an alternative perspective.

Whilst presenting a broad spectrum of vastly-diverging opinions on Mr Moyes (some unequivocally anti-Moyes, some more well-balanced, and some decidedly pro-Moyes,) which may not necessarily serve to quash some Reds’ reservations, I personally was able to take away several things away from the following responses.

Trio of interviewees;

1. Dan (@dan0956): Born Sept ’78, first visit to Goodison ‘87

2. Alex (@thebrand29): Born March ’85, first visit to Goodison ’91, when Neville Southall didn’t go in the dressing room at half time when we were loosing 2-0 to Leeds and sat by the goalpost!

3. Ol (@OLeyland): Born Nov ’82, first visit to Goodison ‘91

Jonathan: In a couple of sentences, try and sum up your general impression of David Moyes’ tenure at Everton? 

Dan: I believe Moyes was very clever at Everton, in that he had the majority fooled that he was doing a good job. But Everton have always been a big club; we had a 10-year bad spell and it just so happened that we got a new chairman and £30million for Rooney, and Moyes was the manager that was lucky enough to inherit that. Moyes did a good job for the first 5 years at Everton, but his last 6 were filled with disappointment.

Alex: There was a big buzz when DM took control of the club, he spoke well and transformed the club and we needed it because he kept us from being relegated that year! He always handled himself well and gave a good image of the club. He bought well in transfer markets on a budget. He was always a cautious man and sometimes it felt he was setting out his team not to lose as opposed to win. He did an excellent job, but failed to take Everton that step further by not getting a trophy or finish in the top 4 on more than 1 occasion.

Ol: DM made Everton credible again. He rebuilt us into a team that supporters were proud to follow, after a period of mismanagement (Peter Johnston chairmanship, managers including Mike Walker, Howard Kendall’s 3rd spell, the ‘Dogs of War’, Walter Smith). He slowly got us playing decent football again (Osman, Pienaar, Arteta), and importantly had a British core to the side (Rooney, Lescott, Jagielka, Osman). Arguably nothing to show for it, but then the same is true for Arsenal for the past 8 years.

Jonathan: There are vastly-differing opinions on whether Moyes overachieved, underachieved, or performed steadily during his reign at Everton? Please explain reason(s) for your opinion.

Dan: He under-achieved; we won no trophies, and had 4/5 games that were massive in which we lost due to bad tactics. An FA Cup Final, semi-final and champions league qualifier, and a Europa Cup tie spring to mind.

Alex: A mixture of all 3! We overachieved in 2005 by qualifying for the Champions League, but then never got into the Group stages and also were knocked out of the Europa cup. He underachieved by not delivering a trophy in 11 years, but made us steady and consistent in that we have been an ever present in the top 10 of the Premier League for the last 7 years. If I had to choose one; he overachieved looking at the 11-year history and where we started.

Ol: Steady overachievement, without ever the tangible success. Stability in the top 6/7 is per se an achievement I think.

Jonathan: From Moyes’ time at EFC, how would you assess his capability in the following categories;

A. Style of play

Dan: Style of play was poor, would play a high tempo which worked sometimes against good times at home but failed away. We never won one away game against the “big 4″ in 11 seasons or 40+ games

Alex: The style of passing play improved at Everton over the years thanks to the quality of player improving; Pienaar, Arteta. The style was always to have a strong defensive unit; which he built at Everton and will at United given time. We were always fit and worked hard as a team.

Ol: Evolved from nondescript to passing, though I always felt frustrated at the use of only one striker. Fellaini and Cahill are limited players technically and harked back to the Duncan Ferguson long ball style. His choice of attackers generally was not great – name one great striker he bought? Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu were all record signings but none really did the biz.

B. Mentality

Dan: See above

Alex: He is a cautious manager.

Ol: ‘doing the best we can given the constraints’. But very much a club man – never criticized his own. Honest and fair.

C. Adaptability during matches

Dan: His biggest flaw – he is unable to change a game, he’s lacking tactical ability, he has no plan B. He will often watch a game and wait for it to go wrong before trying to do something about it.

Example; we would be 0-0 at home and getting battered. He would wait till we go 0-1 behind before changing things. A good manager would foresee the problem and act beforehand.

Alex: Terrible. With substitutes we were too predictable and too reactive; we would have to wait until we had gone behind to go more attacking.

D. Man-management

Dan: He does not handle players well, he has bad methods, players don’t agree and he bumps them off very, very quickly. He’s stubborn, aggressive and not a popular man.

Alex: Mixed; he clearly had his favourites that he felt he could rely on (Hibbert, Jagielka, Osman, Cahill etc), but seemed unwilling to give youth a chance. The emergence of Ross Barkley this year has been astonishing, but begs the question; why did Moyes not start him in his final year and was instead loaned out twice? One of the biggest disappointments from an Everton perspective was his treatment of Wayne Rooney. Moyes being Everton manager would have played a big part in Rooney deciding to leave Goodison. I was not surprised by his actions at the end of last season/pre-season when he heard Moyes would be taking over at Old Trafford.

The man management of strikers over the years has been awful. The strategy was to run them into the ground; working hard so they were never in the right position when we had the ball. He also has this strange desire to play strikers on the right wing (Andy Johnson, Victor Anichebe).

Ol: Very good, with the exception of Rooney, perhaps.

E. Scouting/Signing Players

Dan: Very 50/50. He would often take players on loan to see if they fit before signing them permanently. Case in point being Arteta – he won’t be able to do this at United. He did uncover some gems for our level (e.g. Cahill,) but he is unable to bring in top, top players, which is what is needed at United.

Alex: Excellent overall – the list is endless on the amount of players that were brought in with next to no money to spend. Tim Cahill (£1.5m), Seamus Coleman (£600k), Leighton Baines (£5m), Phil Jagielka (£4m), Mikel Arteta (£2m). However, he made some poor decisions (as all managers do); Andy Van der Meyde and Per Krøldrup were utter disasters. I don’t feel that we ever had a true goal scorer despite spending big money on; James Beattie, Andy Johnson, Yakubu etc. I think this proves that he has done well on a budget, but has struggled when it comes to spending big money (big money for Everton!)

Ol: great at finding bargains – PNev, Howard, Cahill, Lescott, Jags, Coleman, Donovan. Not as good when given a bit o cash – see above strikers.

F. Selection of Backroom staff

Alex: Mixed; it did seem that he surrounded himself with “yes” men, I wasn’t surprised when most of the staff decided to leave to go to Old Trafford because they are very loyal to him. Chris Woods did an excellent job with Tim Howard and made him a good steady performer. Alan Irvine was a great assistant manager – I was always very impressed with him. Steve Round didn’t really warm to the Everton fans during his time. The scouting system was excellent.

Ol: Good.

G. Cultivating a rapport with the fans/media/chairman

Dan: He plays to that. He tries to get the fans on the side to cover up his inadequacies, but people can see through it. Take last night for example, Sunderland beat united 2-1 and all Moyes could talk about was how the fans sang his name and are on his side. But what about all the fans phoning up and on twitter?! Propaganda, me thinks.

Alex: Impressive overall. The relationship with the fans was always strong, and he was clearly best mates with Bill Kenwright. Overall he came across well with the media, and he was always very honest.

Ol: Outstanding.

Jonathan: Scottish connection aside, were you surprised to discover that he’d been selected to succeed Fergie? From a United perspective, would you have preferred another manager? Do you think he was the right man for the role, and does he have what it takes?

Dan: I laughed, as you know, when Moyes went to United, because I’ve been slagging him off for 6 years. At Everton, the vocal fans are quite young and were brought up during this 10-year bad spell (in which we still won an FA Cup in ‘95) so they just associated Everton with that. But the older fan knows how big the club is and how important it is. It was 50/50 split on Moyes but the vocal fans were on his side. Personally I knew as soon as Moyes went to United it was a disaster for United. Didn’t I text you the day of the appointment and concede the title on your behalf?! I wasn’t joking – I know the man.

Alex: Yes, because he never won anything at Goodison. Length of service and stability is an important factor when picking a manager – this is what made United so successful under Ferguson and the main reason Moyes was selected. This is an impossible job to replicate, United’s success over the last 20 years has been astonishing, and it is going to be hard to maintain this level of success and I feel any manager that you picked you would never feel could live up to Sir Alex. It’s Mourinho who would win things but would turn the club upside down in the process. Perhaps Pep Guardiola would have been a clever/bold move.

Ol: Not that surprised, but a little given lack of trophies and top-level experience with top players. I was glad to see United stay British and totally understand the choice, though that may mean less short-term success than Mourinho might have got.

Jonathan: Do you believe he did the right thing by bringing most of his back room staff with him from Everton?

Dan: Loyalty to his staff, but not to his players? Seems strange – that doesn’t surprise me but he should have kept some United people around who knew the club. I don’t think you can blame the backroom staff for the current situation. They just follow Moyes’ orders. But they are hardly qualified.

Alex: I think he should have blended the two to make it an easier transition. I felt you had some excellent coaches at United that have gone. On a separate matter, he should have selected either Giggs or Neville as a coach, but not both. Both are trying to learn their craft and it’s too much pressure on them too early in their coaching career.

Ol: Not really.

Jonathan: Do you read much into the rumours that United players have found his training methods to be outdated?

Dan: I 100% know this and I 100% believe it to be true. Moyes has always focused on fitness rather than ball work. A lot of people at Everton had issues with his training – hence poor start to season every year.

Alex: This is very hard to tell from an outsider looking in. I know Moyes makes the players work hard, and to be as fit as possible.

Ol: A bit surprised.

Jonathan: How do you evaluate his first half-season in charge at Old Trafford, both on- and off-the-field?

Dan: As expected.

Alex: Off the field – Poor. Keeping hold of Rooney was a plus, but only getting Fellaini in the summer would have been a big disappointment. On the field – Poor. The results, especially, at Old Trafford haven’t been good enough.

Ol: Clearly disappointing. Yes, the squad needs improving and SAF got a lot out of limited players like Cleverley, Welbeck, Valencia, Evans, but Moyes had a whole summer. Stylistically the play is really poor and the Fellaini signing was awful – great biz for us. Not worth 10m. Adds nothing, and Everton are better off without him by a mile. That said, there are glimmers of hope like the Leverkusen results.

Jonathan: Is Moyes doing it his way at OT? Or is he trying to adhere to MUFC philosophy and failing?

Dan: He’s trying to do it his way, which is clearly not good enough. He’s stubborn

Ol: Neither.

Jonathan: His signing of Fellaini. Rushed? Stopgap? Surprising to you? Will Marouanne eventually prove a valuable asset to MUFC?

Dan: Overrated slogger – not good enough for united. Barely good enough for Everton. Panic buy.

Alex: I think the key for me is the fact that he had a cheaper buyout clause in his contract that expired weeks before you bought him. Therefore, it looks rushed and like it was a plan B. Fellaini was a good player in big games for Everton but was too inconsistent against the teams lower down the league. Overall he was playing poor for EFC for over a year up to the point when we sold him and his form has continued for United. Initially when Fellaini joined EFC he looked lost, laboured and average – similar to his performance at present. His best performances came when he was playing behind the striker (interestingly a position he doesn’t like!) – it’s unlikely that you will play him in this position – so I fear he may be a disappointment, unless he successfully adapts his game.

Ol: See above. Horrible signing first up for DM. no, he’s awful.

Jonathan: Moving forward, how do you feel Moyes can improve the current lack of form/consistency?

Dan: A leopard doesn’t change its spots, he is tactically inept, that can’t change.

Alex: Initially some good fortune! Something small can change the whole team’s outlook, perhaps a mistake by another team or a miss hit shot going in the back of the net. A settled side would help, that has 8/9 players playing most weeks – at present I don’t think he knows his best side. Confidence – he needs to inspire both the fans and players, as this builds he will let this run and the results will come (Everton always used to have a strong end to the season).

Ol: Needs RVP, Wazza back

Jonathan: Do you attribute any blame to Moyes for shambolic summer transfer window when he arrived? Do you believe he wants to sign in the January transfer window? Do you believe he’ll be given the funds to do so? 

Dan: He can’t blame the board. He was known as “Dithering Davey” at Everton – often wanting 50 reports on a player before he buys them.

Alex: He has to take some blame because they were his targets but it’s clear that two new faces at the top of the football club in the same year was probably not a wise move. He needs the funds to rebuild the squad (and make it his squad) – from what I have read/heard he will get the backing to go spend.

Ol: It was poor of the club to change CEO at the same time. I think DM needs to change mentality – he’s no longer at a club with limited resources and a need to sign loans. He’s a big boy now – but not sure he gets that yet.

Jonathan: We’ve been repeatedly linked to Baines; a worthwhile acquisition for United?

Dan: He won’t improve the side – good player but when a team is so badly managed a new left back won’t fix things.

Alex: I don’t think this is going to happen. The price you are willing to pay (£12m) and the price we will let him go (£20m) seem too far apart. I also think Kenwright/Martinez would lose too much credibility letting Baines go. He is an excellent left back and we have had his best years – he’s 29 now. If I were DM I’d be looking for the next Leighton Baines, Luke Shaw has been heavily linked recently.

Ol: Top player – love him. Getting on a bit, but yes, especially given Evra is past it. Great guy too – the sort you want at your club.

Jonathan: Do you think he deserves time to prove himself either way at MUFC? Do you believe he’ll be awarded that time?

Alex: Yes – it would have been a long, thought-out decision to appoint Moyes. You need to give him the funds and time to let him prove himself, chopping and changing manager is never a recipe for success – look at Chelsea! I fear he won’t be given the time because of the owners at United and the business model. United need to have success on this pitch to fund debt/shareholders! If money dries up because of poor performance I think the owners will pull the trigger. I can see him being there for 2 years.

Ol: Yes and yes

Jonathan: From what you’ve seen/read/heard, how do you perceive and assess MUFC fans’ reactions to Moyes?

Dan: Fans at game sing his name, but Twitter, radio phone ins etc.. have a lot of anger towards him.

Alex: Completely mixed – some are willing to do the right thing and give him time. Others are calling for his head before he has had a long enough time to prove himself.

Ol: Not really sure. Some are clueless and too used to success –football is cyclical and MUFC are competing with big spenders. SAF knew his team were limited last year. This will be a test of MUFC fans’ loyalty and whether they really get it.

Jonathan: Ultimately, do you think Moyes will be a success story at MUFC?

Alex: If he is given time – yes. But how do you quantify success? It is going to be close to impossible to have the amount of dominance you have had for the last 20 years. I do think he will win trophies for United, but instead of doing the treble, you may win one trophy every other year. This might not be enough to keep United fans happy, I don’t think he’ll get long enough to build his squad, so I don’t think it will be a success.

Ol: Sadly not from evidence thus far. He’s a bit too cautious.

Jonathan: Finally, is there anything you’ve ever read/seen on Moyes (could literally be anything; video, picture, article, forum post) which you believe provides a good insight into the man and his ability?

Alex: At the moment he looks scared and hugely under pressure – hence why he is spending a significant period of time concentrating on refereeing decisions. He needs to concentrate on what is in his control – putting in a performance on the pitch.

I’ve listened to him talk a few times, and there is no doubting that he is hard working and thorough in his work. Some of the stories I have heard from the training ground is it’s very much his way or the highway.

Many thanks to Dan, Alex and Ol for their time. Tweet them @dan0956 @thebrand29 and @OLeyland if you wish to probe them further on Moyes’ tenure at Goodison Park, and how it may inform his future at United.

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35 Comments

  1. kevk24 says:

    The respondents balanced each other out. All I can say is that he needs to be aggressive and not have favourite players. You perform you remain on the team if you dont you give others a chance. Making good use of the whole squad.

  2. Blacksocks says:

    Would be interested to know what you took away from the above responses Jonathan. Can’t say it added much to what we already know.

    Everton fans have always imagined their club to be a ‘big’ club; it isn’t.

    Moyes made some great signings (at Everton) and some not so great, so did Sir Alex in his time at United.

    Is he the right man for United? The jury is still out, but give him time and support and a chance to prove he is – that’s my opinion.

    I don’t want United to become a merry-go-round club with a new manager every season, it simply can’t afford to do that. We might not ever have a period of imense success that we have had over the last 25 years ever again. We now have to compete against clubs far richer than us. But that is precisely why I love United so much, far from being a team of mercernaries, we will need to build teams around a core group of players who love playing for the club which makes supporting them through the bad time as well as the good all the more important and enjoyable.

  3. TopRed123 says:

    Well that wasn’t reassuring at all. Even the pro-Moyes guy thought Fellaini was a waste of money, and all were of the opinion that he has been shit for the last year or so, and never been good playing in the middle. Yet we have some people on here going on about how good he has been playing as a CM and that all he need is time. He clearly isn’t good enough, and that was clear long before “Dithering Davey” decided to waste almost £30m on the guy.

  4. United says:

    It doesn’t excite, inspire, urge motivation or even hope much WHEN THIS MAN IS OUR MANAGER. Isn’t it? Should be fired if he doesn’t get us into Top 4. He is lucky he is British. The way AVB was battered by media was disgusting and shameful because he was a foreigner! And his team was above us even then when he was sacked!!

  5. Leo Neo says:

    When everton tumble down to 7-8th by the end of the year then we will see how evertonians think of moyes…even better lets see next year when martinez has to play without lukaku and barkley!

  6. United says:

    The debate about Dear davey will continue after the match against Chelsea, I am almost sure! The debate will continue till David Moyes gets a beautiful sack! Mark my words!! A win against swansea, only victory against top side in Arsenal so far, a hopeful undefeated run etc blah blah only works in Everton. So come May, the truth shall reveal !!

  7. Eric Nesh says:

    Sorry but the Dan guy seems very bitter man. surely u cannot have one good word for someone who has been ur manager for 10 years!

  8. Peter Roberts says:

    Interesting that the more “ACCURATE” comments came from the oldest fan. I started watching Everton in 1984 at the age of 8. Any football fans that don’t recognise Everton as a big club deserve a lesson in humility – Everton are a massive club. Achievements aside (4th most successful English club same number of titles than Spurs, Chelsea, Man city combined) – Everton pioneered most of the things you take for granted in football right now….

    Founder members of the football league
    First club to go on an overseas tour
    First club to issue match day programme
    First club to have dugouts
    First club to have undersoil heating
    First club to play 100 season in top flight
    First club to wear shirts numbered 1-11
    First club to construct a purpose built football stadium

    Dismissing us as not being a big club is like erasing history for the sake of recent memory – something that the sky 4 era has tried to do so well and if it continues will soon see the football fans in the country continue to take their knowledge from ill informed football pundits rather than a rothmans football year book.

    Onto Moyes… Basically he is a decent manager who has been completely overrated. His strengths are the organisational discipline of a club that needs a healthy dose of professioinalism installing – clubs like West Ham, Sunderland, previously Newcastle would benefit from his style for a few years.

    The key words being “a few years”… He is a fixer, he can take a broken club, instill the right attitude, get some hard working pros (Cahill, Neville, Bent, Howard) to set the example and get the players who are technically more proficient (Arteta, Saha, Osman) playing to their maximum effort levels.

    Once he has fixed the club, he should move on to the next broken club – not a better club… He can not work with technically superior players – he had tremendous forwards strikers in Louis Saha and Yakubu and tried to change them into a Danny Wellbeck (hard work, less goals)… I believe he has a chip on his shoulder when it comes to these talented players… a hard working lower league journey man centre half isn’t likely to be so favourable to the ultra talented, egotistical players like RVP and Berbatov.

    His management of Ross Barkley says all you need to know about him with that regard… he values safety and percentage play over talent and expressive football. He played Phil Neville and Heitinga over Barkley – the lad was ready two years ago.

    He won’t turn united into a bad club, he will just under utilise the talent he has available – even at which rate top 6 will be a guarantee as opposed to top 2 under SAF.

    Everton fans aren’t bitter towards Moyes, we are just very angry that a man who has stolen a good living for the past 6 years has conned people into believing that he was a miracle worker when in actual fact he was just doing alright – he dined out on his first few years for too long. The anger was compounded in his arrogance towards his former employers in the summer.

    Moyes tries to convince people that he is a footballing man of the people – someone that the fans can relate to. The reality is he is self serving, arrogant, stubborn and very manipulative with a healthy dose of hypocrisy. If you were left by SAF in 14th place with mercenaries galore I would have said yes get moyes in for 3 years and have him hand the club over to a mourinho once you were top 6, ultimately you have a manager out of his depth at the level you want to operate.

  9. dan0956 says:

    Eric

    When I pay my good money to watch us lose to Bolton and Fulham at home in successive weeks and sit in the cold January weather as we get outplayed by both these teams and Moyes does nothing about the situation in game – it can make me bitter.

    I do think Moyes did some good things at everton, but the bad things to me overpower the good. Im not bitter at all ! just disappointed as I believe he could and should have done more

    kev

    the arguments did balance out, but one thing it seemed we all agreed on is moyes lack of tactics especially mid game

  10. dan0956 says:

    What I will say is that people comparing the records of Moyes and SAF in there first 20+ games etc.. point out that Moyes has a better record. Yet they seem to dismiss that Moyes took over the champions and SAF took over a team without a title in how many years?

    And as Jonathan will tell you, ive not been a fan of Moyes for 5-6 years now and my comments and responses are in no way “bitter” because he is no longer our manager

  11. Tommy says:

    Oh my how bitter is Dan, Newsflash if Moyes had not taken over Everton, I am almost certain they would have spent at least 1 year(Possibly more if not still their now) in the championship! Yep he did a really bad job Dan

  12. ashtheking says:

    Moyes has to take some blame for our poor show so far but again we would be taking an easy route if we put the blame solely on Moyes.
    Let us look realistically , Our squad is Good but not great. We need to accept it. I am sick of fans saying this squad is great because we won the league by 11 points. I am not saying we were bad last season, we were good and we deserved to win but many factors helped us major one was City playing very bad.

    Now if fans here tell me if we remove Moyes we will start to be world beaters, then sorry to say folks its not true. Fans crying for Ole, let me tell you we wouldnt have been any better if he was on board. Its not because he is bad ( I see potential in Ole) its because we dont have that great a squad to challenge for every competition. We have many players who have past their peak. Its a fact. Even though we have same set of squad that won the league but Everyone should see many players (Especially senior Pros) are not performing to their potential. But we fans refuse to blame them as they are our senior players, they should not be bashed.
    I dont believe in this philosophy that if we had Mourinho or Pep or Ole we would have won Champions league in their first tenure with this squad. The fact is we wouldnt have. At max if Jose was appointed we would have been 3rd( That to a Big IF).

    We need change. We need new players who are motivated enough to win games and win trophies. Sorry to say I cant see that r in any of Rio, Vidic or Evra. The way evra Jogs back after losing the ball is Sad to watch. Now dont ignore these things.

    I still have trust in Moyes but he needs to act. He needs to buy new players and sell the deadwoods.

  13. dan0956 says:

    Everton escaped the “drop” because a certain wayne rooney came on the scene, which changed our team and then when he was sold the 30m income was something everton had not had for years. It was “wayne rooney” who turned everton around both when he was there and the money we made from him !

    Moyes just happened the be in the right place and the right time to take advantage of this situation

  14. The One says:

    That Dan guy is as bitter as all the whiners on this blog.

  15. WeAreUnitedd says:

    FUCK the evertonians, does not appreciate what Moyes did to them.

    I see Moyes in this way, if this guy can give the likes of Januzaj a chance to shine at 18-years old, I HAVE 90% trust in Moyes, it tells you he sees talent. NO Barkley did not get the chance to shine, but maybe he was not as ready as Januzaj at Everton?

    read this on the most reliable source of them all goal.com

    Pogba set for Manchester United return

    Manchester United are keen to bring Paul Pogba back to Old Trafford. The Juventus midfielder is unsettled in Turin and would consider a return to the Premier League.

    COULD this be true?

  16. Tommy says:

    People need to get a grip about Ross Barkley, Sure hes playing well at Everton at the moment but his performances in the championship were distinctly avarage so to try and beat Moyes over the head with that is laughable to say the least

  17. UnitedFaithful says:

    Tactics and approach to a game can be learnt but Character,Mental Strength and Wisdom are inherent,and Moyes have those in abundance,like Gary Neville said United will change David Moyes

  18. wayne barker says:

    i’m i the only one bored with this Moyes obsession just leave him alone and let him get on with the job.Who gives a fuck what a couple of Everton fans think just getting ridiculous,rubbish like this is not even worth putting on the site.

  19. United says:

    Have to agree with Wayne barker, its getting boring really this moyes threads. Same shit always. We all know its just a matter of time he will get a sack! Possibly end of this season or next!

  20. Fletch™ says:

    So long Anderson?

    According to MEN:
    Anderson sale to Fiorentina is being finalized but not yet confirmed by clubs 8O

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-anderson-join-6503347

  21. Tommy says:

    @Peter and Dan

    Your just both bitter that Moyes came after your players, Funny that he got a guard of honour by Everton and was universal appladed by the goodison faithful, Why would you do that for someone tactically poor? The way Moyes was booed by Everton fans at OT was quite frankly pathetic and as someone told me “Its took 6 months for United fans to turn into chelsea (On social media) and 6 months for Everton to forget a decades worth of work.” Your very fortunate that Martinez inherited a great defence and your better players are loan signings (In which I disagree with clubs loaning players from within the same division) I must say tho Peter I know how big a club Everton is you dont have to convince me, Their a proper club, 4th or 5th biggest in England, only the obvious United, Liverpool, Arsenal are bigger and probably on a par with Spurs

  22. Gary Mitrovic says:

    @Wayne, topics about Moyes are very relevant to the club and the fans so this is exactly the kind of topic fans should be discussing. I wouldn’t worry as Moyes has more important things to do than read ROM. He can’t stop people talking about him so he won’t lose sleep over that. Well while they’re only the opinions of a select amount of fans they all kind of confirmed my doubts. I really hope my doubts are proven wrong.

  23. wayne barker says:

    Gary depends on the topic asking a few Everton fans what they think of Moyes has no relevance whatsoever

  24. Gary Mitrovic says:

    Wayne, we’ll agree to disagree on this one. I do like to see things from other fans perspectives. Granted that one of the fans came across as though he had a complete vendetta against him so I didn’t take his comments seriously. Moyes has the fans backing where it counts and of course the backing of the people who employed him and put his name forward. Now it’s bloody time we backed him in the transfer window after that shambolic summer.

  25. ND7910 says:

    I do think most of the points Dan made apply to our season so far. Moyes has now half a season to prove that he’s the right man for Manchester United. Man. Utd. has the resources to create a great squad, but at the end of the season the question will be, if Moyes is able to make us one of the best teams in the world.

  26. iamMatty says:

    Funny how this idiotic tommy carries he’s stupidity to the level of trying to dictate to mature everton fans on what to think of a job done for their club. Here he accuses us of being young and spoil, but now we got 2gents supporting their club for almost 30years tops giving an accurate description of a manager and this retarded troll wants to turn it into another fiasco.
    Tommy you are not the brightest, that is pretty evidence. . .and when you famouusly declared that tactics had nothing to do with winning games, that only players mattered, I lost all hope of having any form of an intelligent debate with you.
    Yes we will give moyes 20years cos he’s a brit, but please show more respect to our guests you pathetic cunt.

  27. Orez says:

    Everyone should read the comment from Peter Roberts. That is the opinon that I also have. Moyes is more of stop gap disciplianrian. Now I wish he can prove me wrong and go all out and become this amazing manager, bit that’s nt happening. I am very happy about Swansea victory, but we are about to get hurt badly soon. It can be rent boyz or someone else. I just feel very bad for my fellow supporters who are full of hope after the last game and are about to have their hopes crashed. Is there anyone here who believes that we have a single chance to win in London? Now imagine how our players feel and how their low confidance affects their game. How many of them are thinking that as long as they don’t get humiliated by rent boys we are good.

  28. iamMatty says:

    JANUARY 13, 2014 AT 13:55
    Peter Roberts says:
    Interesting that the more “ACCURATE” comments
    came from the oldest fan. I started watching
    Everton in 1984 at the age of 8. Any football fans
    that don’t recognise Everton as a big club deserve a
    lesson in humility – Everton are a massive club.
    Achievements aside (4th most successful English
    club same number of titles than Spurs, Chelsea,
    Man city combined) – Everton pioneered most of the
    things you take for granted in football right now….
    Founder members of the football league
    First club to go on an overseas tour
    First club to issue match day programme
    First club to have dugouts
    First club to have undersoil heating
    First club to play 100 season in top flight
    First club to wear shirts numbered 1-11
    First club to construct a purpose built football
    stadium
    Dismissing us as not being a big club is like erasing
    history for the sake of recent memory – something
    that the sky 4 era has tried to do so well and if it
    continues will soon see the football fans in the
    country continue to take their knowledge from ill
    informed football pundits rather than a rothmans
    football year book.
    Onto Moyes… Basically he is a decent manager who
    has been completely overrated. His strengths are
    the organisational discipline of a club that needs a
    healthy dose of professioinalism installing – clubs
    like West Ham, Sunderland, previously Newcastle
    would benefit from his style for a few years.
    The key words being “a few years”… He is a fixer,
    he can take a broken club, instill the right attitude,
    get some hard working pros (Cahill, Neville, Bent,
    Howard) to set the example and get the players
    who are technically more proficient (Arteta, Saha,
    Osman) playing to their maximum effort levels.
    Once he has fixed the club, he should move on to
    the next broken club – not a better club… He can
    not work with technically superior players – he had
    tremendous forwards strikers in Louis Saha and
    Yakubu and tried to change them into a Danny
    Wellbeck (hard work, less goals)… I believe he has
    a chip on his shoulder when it comes to these
    talented players… a hard working lower league
    journey man centre half isn’t likely to be so
    favourable to the ultra talented, egotistical players
    like RVP and Berbatov.
    His management of Ross Barkley says all you need
    to know about him with that regard… he values
    safety and percentage play over talent and
    expressive football. He played Phil Neville and
    Heitinga over Barkley – the lad was ready two years
    ago.
    He won’t turn united into a bad club, he will just
    under utilise the talent he has available – even at
    which rate top 6 will be a guarantee as opposed to
    top 2 under SAF.
    Everton fans aren’t bitter towards Moyes, we are
    just very angry that a man who has stolen a good
    living for the past 6 years has conned people into
    believing that he was a miracle worker when in
    actual fact he was just doing alright – he dined out
    on his first few years for too long. The anger was
    compounded in his arrogance towards his former
    employers in the summer.
    Moyes tries to convince people that he is a
    footballing man of the people – someone that the
    fans can relate to. The reality is he is self serving,
    arrogant, stubborn and very manipulative with a
    healthy dose of hypocrisy. If you were left by SAF in
    14th place with mercenaries galore I would have
    said yes get moyes in for 3 years and have him
    hand the club over to a mourinho once you were top
    6, ultimately you have a manager out of his depth
    at the level you want to operate.

    .
    .
    .
    GOD BLESS YOUR SOUL
    Sadly moyes deserves his fair crack at it too cos he’s british so he would get atleast 4years to make us in his own image.
    GGMU

  29. Tommy says:

    @Matty

    This is the last time I am going to address you, Your a troll and a racist and a wanabe bully. Your posts are all copy and pasted onto RoM because your not bright enough to come up with your own opinions, Now do one prick!!!!

  30. iamMatty says:

    Idiot tries to play reverse psychology. You insult people from norway and malta and I am the racist? Aha brilliant, tell me more.
    You use your leprous hands to do your best in discrediting 2 obviously intelligent gents for giving their honest opinions and I am the troll? Wonderful!
    You have confessed to sticking with the manager cos he’s british and not cos you really believe he would move our club forward.
    You say players brute powers win games and that tactics and game plans do not factor in the outcome of matches.
    You sir is the troll and as idiotic as anyone I’ve ever seen.

  31. Tommy says:

    @Matty

    Defending my country sunshine, Your not a fan your just a troll who comes on here to criticise week in week out and us “Proper” fans are getting fed up with you, you have no quality input whats so ever and copy and paste practically everything beause you struggle to string a sentence together, so please dont bother trying to act like you love United and please leave you only make yourself look silly time and time again!

  32. iamMatty says:

    You are a retarded moron, that copy and paste excuse is as idiotic as your claim of been a real fan. I can’t string together a sentence? Well my last three posts must have been a real smack to your face.
    You are the troll, and a pathetic one at that, you claim to love united but I’ve proven you only stick around cos you’re desperate to brag to your mates that united have a british manager. You contribute no intelligent points to this forum, you are bereft of any form of technical or tactical knowledge, you and your wayne barker mate have spent months hounding, bullying and dictating to other posters how to behave on the forum even when you retards don’t know the current formation,philosophy or style of play of our team. You bloody racists insult foreign fans and mouth off their geopolitical zones, YOU AND WAYNE BAKASS ARE THE REAL TROLLS, who only come up here to rile up other poster and spew arrant nonesense.
    Now do one, cos am begining to believe that rumour that you cunts secretely have a mancity badge tattooed to ur left chests.

  33. Eric Nesh says:

    @ Tommy and iamMatty you guys need to peace out!

    But I think Tommy is entitled to his views in regard to another clubs management. He doesn’t have to be a supporter of that club to have an opinion

    @dan0956
    Its good to be disappointed but you need to be fair in your overall general overview. And you saying that its Wayne Rooney who saved Everton the drop! Wayne must have been playing upfront, midfield, defence goalkeeper and as a sub oh and Manager as well!! comeon mate you too can see how deluded you are.

  34. CalimochoClub says:

    Blimey. That Dan is a bit bitter isn’t he?
    I don’t particularly rate Moyes as a top drawer manager, but to dismiss all the work he did for EFC with the absolute shoestring he had to work with is a bit rich.

  35. Karl Lynch says:

    Utter rubbish Dan, IMO Moyes did an incredible job at Everton under circumstances i.e(budget). You talk about him not being able to change a game while he was manager at Everton. Maybe in terms of tactics but at the end of the day, ye didn’t nor still do ye have the players to come of the bench and change a game.
    You talk about Everton being a big club,maybe so in terms of history of the club, but Martinez won’t win trophies while at Everton either,but when it comes down to it United,City,Liverpool,Chelsea,Spurs and Arsenal are all far superior clubs. I think Martinez is a great manager and doing a wonderful job at Everton, but if you think you will finish higher than 6th, you’re sadly mistaken. I just find it hard to believe that you give Moyes very little credit for what he did at Everton. I’m not saying hes a world class manager but he needs to be given time, this squad of players that he inherited from Fergie is the worst I’ve seen for a long long time and just shows what an incredible job Fergie did. But lets not forget RVP single handledly won us so many games last year and won us the title. Without him and Rooney we’re an average team and by god has it shown. I’d really like to see Moyes given at least 2 years. If we get top 4 this season I think we ll have done very well, considering squad and injuries. Moyes deserves to be given the right amount of money in the summer to go away and buy 4/5 players he believes will make the squad better. I personally won’t be judging Moyes upon this season. Fingers crossed I’ll be judging him May 2015.

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