Founded: 1913
Stadium: Ullevaal Stadion (national stadium), capacity 25,572
Colours: They played in green for their first year until Norwegian State Railways sold them their blue and red kit cheaply.
Honours: Norwegian Premier League – 5 (1965, 1981, 1983, 1984, 2005). Norwegian Football Cup – 4 (1980, 1997, 2002, 2008).
Europe: Champions League – 2006/2007 (knocked out by Russian side Mladá Boleslav in the 2nd qualifying round). Europa League – 2011/2012 (knocked out by Greek side P.A.O.K. FC in the 3rd qualifying round).
Supporters: Klanen (the Clan) is the biggest supporters club in Norway with around 10,000 members. They are known for being the most vocal fans in the league and the number 12 kit is reserved for them (as the 12th man). Despite having not won the league since 2005, their average attendance is the 4th highest in the league and average seven times
Manager: Martin Andresen. 35-year-old former midfielder who has played for Wimbledon, Molde and Blackburn, amongst others. Joined Valerenga in 2008 as a player manager after winning the Norwegian league with Brann the season before. In 2003 he was named Player of the Year in Norway when he was at Stabæk.
Notable former players: Henning Berg 1988-1991 (100 games for Norway. Manchester United, Blackburn, Rangers), Ronny Johnsen 2005-2008 (62 games for Norway. Manchester United, Aston Villa, Newcastle), Lars Roar Bohinen 1988-1989 and 2003-2005 (49 games for Norway. Nottingham Forest, Blackburn and Derby).
Last season: 7th, 11 points behind Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s champions, Molde.
Current season: 6th, 13 points behind leaders Strømsgodset.
Players to look out for: Marcus Pedersen – 22-year-old striker on loan from Dutch side Vitesse who has scored 8 goals in 15 games this season. Mohammed Fellah – 23-year-old attacking midfielder who was born in Oslo and joined the club when he was 15. He made 115 appearances for the club since making his début when he was 17-years-old. This season he has 6 assists and 1 goal in 14 games.
Kick-off: 4pm (local time), 3pm (BST).
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Scott do you have any new information regarding Lucas Moura ?? are the reports we are hearing true ??
Anyone know of a feed or live blog for the game ?
if were gonna spend 50 mill for van persie and moura, I’d rather we spend that money more wisely and just buy NEYMAR instead
Ffs, stay on topic!
Hey Scott, how about everything we need to know about our starting 11 for the Valerenga game?
Jones, Vidic, Rio, Brady(?)
Carrick Scholes
Valencia Kagawa Nani
Rooney
How’s that?
Shame its not Molde were playing, would have been nice to face ole!
@Utd_fc
Isn’t that probably our strongest 11.
Thought you were asking for the starting 11. Whew.
Glad to have some info on a team I have never heard of before………
Come on you REDS, have a nice work out and for fucks sake stay injury free
UNITED UNITED UNITED
De Gea
Jones Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick
Scholes
Valencia Nani
Kagawa
Ronney
Wow, both Henning Berg and Ronny Johnsen played for them….Excellent stuff…..Loved both players at United
Funny, I don’t think I need to know anything about them.
Enjoy the game Scott!
Both Berg and Johnsen were hard as nails, especially the latter, both no nonsense defenders
wiuri.
Myp2peu have a number of streams.
Costas
You tit, so I am masturbating both mentally and physically over RvP? Pissed my self when I read that
I was hoping for one of these. Nice one Scott.
Witchking
Haha pal I thought we’d give the norwegians a bit of a scare ya know
Cedars
Your knowledege of United past and present is commendable sir. A tip off my imaginary hat to you
LOL Cedars, that gave me a big laugh too.
LOL Kebab, hi tree and all who can spank with both hands, game day!
Blonds live there, Where the curtains match the drapes.
Flech be well, get better and he has a place for life with the club.
In Red Cedars nice, MUFC,MUFC,MUFC!
RvP in a MUFC kit, has my nipples lactating.
utd_fc
Cheers pal, loved the sentiment, that comes with passionately following a club for over 35 years….
Today just might be the last day BL before Lucas. He wants MUFC, Kagawa wanted MUFC, Powell wanted MUFC. I want the one who wants me. Just like in sex, when the women really wants you, not just dropping her egg, like he kankle exercises are paying off, and she preforms this milking like action!!
Have we signed Maldini yet?
utd_fc he is a wonder who’s backyard is heaven.
RVP at united cant see any fan opposing having a player of that calibre here, i think other area’s are more fragile at present, but a mouth watering prospect.
OK I should reread and reread my post, her not he.
Wow I want to milk Maldini??? hum???? in the most non-sexual way possible.
I did not know much about football when I first saw Maldini, but I new i was seeing greatness. Till this day I have never seen his like. Messi my 1st Pele, Maradonna, Best, Cruyf type of wow he da man on offence. ZeZu at his height of powers blew me away. Roy Keane in his Green kit for Ireland. Was it for me as well. Then the PL shows up on my cable company and there is Roy and SAF together. It was done MUFC fan from then on.
My Dick
Maldini is one of my all time favourite players, what a pro and what a great servant to both club and country…….
United has always get the player they want..we have a difficult few years in terms of getting the players we were chasing and hopefully we’re back again
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/591400064?-26550
had *
When I grow up I know I’m gonna be I’m gonna be the man who plays alongside scholes, Giggs, and Keane
And I would run 500 miles and I would run 500 more just be the man who might just score to be Uniteds 24
Darren Fletcher, darren Fletcher Tra la la la la la la
Oh Darren Fletcher oh Darren Fletcher Tra la la la la la la la la la la
Tree one of the dudes who cross lines for people, respect, a professional, played hard with style and flair. As well being the most effective force for winning even when a Gulite type was on the field. Or Zezu. Just brilliant, men wanna be him, women want his children.
Giggs12
I fucking love you
Ceadars
Just for you that one mate
Cedars rather the old sausage fingers are at it again
Giggs12
Cheers my friend, you’ve got me bouncing with that………Oh dear God I love Darren
maldini what a player, what a professional, his achivments are there for all to see
G12 my 2nd favorite player he is, my heart hurts. Hope is always there, a new drug and combination of treatments….. I am in football, basketball any sport a fan of the person who does the dirty work for the team. A winner that all who play with him respect and know their worth to victory. Fletch is such a man. Please for those who have not educated themselves on this insidious infliction, Denton Dave has it and shared the trials and remission is a hard place to stay with stress as a trigger in the PL and MUFC stress is always there. I have done medical under writing his stage, is a sever problem for an accountant, let alone a pro, footballer. I will bust some bubbles here, better to know the facts.
Had a daft cunt on the other thread saying that Fletch is just a hard man with no skill……..What an utterly disgusting, pathetic and stupid thing to say ………..
Some folk are seriously daft as fuck
Maybe Sir Alex has finally found Football Manager at the tender age of 70
G12 I call it chubby finger syndrome.
Yes Maldini even for an uneducated eye, makes it easy to spot true greatness. Being 1/2 Italian me likes him much
Cedars
Berg and Johnson played for local rivals Lillestrom and Lyn. Valerenga only bought them because they had some cock investor a la Abramovich. Nothing decent about Valerenga. Shit club. Hope we beat them well!
Barcelona 09 No Darren Fletcher
Barcelona 11 No Darren Flecther
United 11/12 No Darren Fletcher
Imagine what happened on all three occasions?
Busby babes
Class personified mate, up there with the world greatest. Fergie tried to sign him a few times.
The team that wouldn’t die
Cheers for the info pal, never knew that to be honest
MG
My good friend, no Darren, no win……..simple really
Cedars
I can’t handle Fletcher having no skill neither did Robson and Keane….
19 ;cool:
Tree Daff cunts who have never played the game. or any game at that. We all know his worth, he had an unbeaten run when he played like almost 50 straight, Rooney after a game slammed an ABU reporter saying he would want no other mf player to play with, nobody but fletch for him and winning!!!!
Giggs12
Do not worry about typos mate, I am the king of them! haha
G’day Cedars
I wonder how we ever came to that conclusion whilst other’s can’t…
19
Cedars
I can handle Fletcher having no skill neither did Robson and Keane….:-)
Giggs12
Yeah Robbo and Keane had no skill whatsoever either, all they did was tackle!
MG me 2, I do not do the IF game often but I have done it with Fletch and will do it again, not injury. Some stupid sickness!! 2 more PL and CL titles with him. Fucking Rooney rolling his ankle as well for I think Jose would have went down to SAF fuck the if and’s and but land is tuff on my mind. 20 Game day. SAF building his last great TEAM!!!!!!!! GO ROONEY!!!!!!!! KAGAWA!!!!!! BUNGGA!!!!!!!!
MG
Perhaps you and I know the secret formula to winning!
@ Parryheid
Thank you .
@Zibbie
In English please?
Giggs 12
speaks volumes m8 although maldini’s old man would have put payed to that lol, with regards to fletcher he’s the type of guy if you we’re going to war you’d want him by your side, gives is all. that kind of personal is a great advert for any inspiring youngster applies himself in the rite manner, with a great work ethic 2 key elements needed regardless of how good you are technically
I loved how Fletch roughed up the opponent, a hard player, like Makellaley just short of yellow card hits 3 – 5 a game. He would knee them in their thigh, catch their foot with his studs, elbows that were sharp. Like some one posted here 3 days ago, Vida and Rooney the only 2 with bite. Evans has some and Smalling a bit 2. I like bite.
Zibbie Cedars
Maybe we were born different
Till later or tomorrow United
19
Colbert says:
@Zibbie
In English please?
That’s a big ask.
Be well 19!!!!
Hi guys. Anyone of you know what time the game starts?
So good to read MG, he sounds better.
Bounce 3pm BST, exactly 72mins away
bounce 1 hour 15 min
Busby babes
Exactly mate, imagine a club like AC Milan retiring your number how honourable is that.
Some players have flair some have grit, Ronaldo had flair and Keano had grit. Was anyone of them more important than the other? Absoluty no chance players like Fletcher and Carrick don’t get the plaudits because they are not Hollywood flashy cunts. Add Fletch and Vida last year and we would have won the league.
When will the match start according to RoM time?
Ash, you have 69 minutes to wait
LUCAS MOURA…..Welcome to Manchester United
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7965319
30 million poundfs for Moura? this guy better win at least three Balon d’ors.
Just wondering how Welbeck and Hernandez will feel if we somehow sign RVP (by the way I don’t think we will sign him I think he’ll end up staying at Arsenal but this is hypothetical).
Just saw powells goal against Scunthorpe, let’s get him in the squad he is a proper talent this kid.
Giggs12, I saw a show this physiologist, broke down the Brazil teams by a ruff types, A flash CR has a place on a winning team, no more then 3 what he called red types. CR a red type. Selfish, then a yellow for a mid type, green for gung ho die for any 50/50 ball. Forget personal goals all about the team.
No Brazil side with more the 3 red or to many yellow have never won the world cup, he made the example of 82, to many stars not enough Fletcher types. Great stuff!!!
Giggs12, SAF thinks the same. I see good things from this lad.
Giggs12
He also seems to be built like a fucking brick wall for a kid so young
SoySaucey, they are up for the fight for the right to play!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk
Giggs 12
i genuinly beleive that too m8 if we could have called upon fletch and vida services we would have won that league, city struggled when kompany was’nt present just goes to show, it’s your fletcher type of players that let’s the more expansive players express themselves,
looks like we may get this brazilian after all. RVP, do we really need RVP, Kagwa is basically a striker, we have rooney welbeck hernandez, the midfield is another question. We have carrick scholes cleverly powell kagwa anderson, so really how are united supposed to fit in RVP, esp if we sign the brazilian, what happens to the likes of nani? when we add valencia and young
2012 summer of the mid fielder!!!
Powell and Kagawa, now Lucas and the Sean Goss kid with upside.
Thanx fellas
Some NewsPapper Like… Dailymail and Dailystar said that Moura is a UTD Player but the directors of Sao Paolo said No !!!!!! I Hope he’ll join us…!! What ’bout Lorente who be said to join us in January !!
One Bryan Robson there’s only one Bryan Robson
@FITB: “kagawa is basically a striker”…yes, pretty much the way “rooney is basically an attacking midfielder” ??? Thing is, with the modern game, many of those distinctions have become a bit blurred…more shades of grey if you will…
Don’t think we NEED RVP…my submission would be to play at least 50% of games with 4-2-3-1, hence three strikers are sufficient. Like you, would rather we spend the money in buying a genuine midfielder. But then I won’t complain if we get him.
FITB they compete, wtf are the rare Flowers who die outside the green house. That makes 4 wings for to spots with 60 games, injuries shit, competition at all spots 1st thing SAF does. Were good. Kids coming on as well, as G12 just said Powell looks a player. Let them fight it out, SAF will give the lads a chance. What they do with it determines what he does next.
Jeet my buddy from Mad town Wis has you set for the Moriarty trip to the west!
Giggs12
You certainly know how to keep singing my tune
Thank you for all the preseason coverage and news. It’s almost impossible to get this info in Oz. Keep up the good work.
BTW Pretty sure Mlada Boleslav are Czech not Russian
Jeet sit please.
back 4 and DDG
——Carrick—Cleves—–
Lucas—-Kagawa—-Rooney
———RVP——–
I have seen Robbo on utube and the best for me is Fox Soccer has games of the past, he is a contemeray of mine. He would have been my favorite for sure. Had bite skill, leader of men. Wow he had it all.
Drooling
Has Evra had to leave the tour due to his partners pregnancy ?
————–DDG—————
Rafa/Rio—–Vida——-Evans/Evra
TV7–Lucas–Carrick–Kagawa–Clevs/Young
———–RVP——-Rooney
3-5-3, with Smalling and Jones in the wings for the back 3.
Watching all Cantona’s goals on MUTV fuck me you forget how good our French genius was.
Kagawa plays good team defense and turns it into fast break counter football. Cleves plays a good team defense as well. a 4-1-4-1
a 4-6 or 4-5-1
Lucas looking good.
If and its a big IF we sign RvP I am going to gang rape this blog ………..Just saying
Lindegaard; Valencia, Ferdinand, Vidic, Keane; Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Young, Welbeck, Rooney unconfirmed
Kick off time please…
Anyone???
What time is it? Im getting desperate now, no news also!
@cedarsdevil
mate i think we will get him its hs birthday tomorow.hope we announce it tomorow
1500hrs BST KO
She’s given birth to a boy, to be given the name
FERGUSON
People will get made here, some will. I will be respective of the King here, in some small way, not the reviving of a great cup, or showing Giggs and Scholes and 92 lads what a true pro is. Best on the team working the hardest. And wow what goals. BUT a BIG BUT like a 500 pound womens BUT, Rooney 26 , 27 in Oct. hitting his prime with so much great youth. Welbeck calls him a love child of Yoda and Shrek a teacher/ mentor/ tutor to the lads. He a “STRIKER” helping Danny become a man, no worries what is best for MUFC is best for me. Kagawa, no kid he will slide right in at a top level , and now Lucas to this mix. TV7 and Young like Wazza hitting their prime. WOW!!!!!!!
Plenty of Reds in the ground : )
starting 11 against Valerenga
Lindegaard; Valencia, Ferdinand, Vidic, Keane; Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Young, Welbeck, Rooney.
starting 11 against Valerenga
Lindegaard; Valencia, Ferdinand, Vidic, Keane; Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Young, Welbeck, Rooney.
Thanks thetunnel…
Certainly looking forward to seeing wazza, nani and undoubtedly KAGAWA!!!
Very excited!!
Tree thanks for the warning, I will plug it, I have a chastity but belt from doing a dime in my 20′s, reduced to 4.5 for having the best weed.
Lindegaard; Valencia, Ferdinand, Vidic, Keane; Nani, Carrick, Scholes, Young, Welbeck, Rooney
Happy to see keane get some games. Its clear We are trying to play both nani and Tony V. Tony V at rb is ok but I will prefer Rafael.
By the way anyone else happy to see danny welbeck back in the squad? I hope we resolve his contract and sign him for long term.
My Dick
Ha ha ha ha
With Sir Alex staying behind to conduct club business looks like the Moura deal is getting finalized,if RVP really wants out don’t see the point in Arse keeping him,players who want out normally don’t perform to their highest level,if the fee becomes 20mill+ i’d rather Utd use the money in other areas,midfield and fullback
For those saying we have enough attackers, should know we won’t be playin 4-4-2 anymore!! This system is outdated:: I don’t know which system Fergie has in mind, but going by the signing of Kagawa and the romours of our targets, i think it’s 4-2-3-1 which is very demanding and need a large striking force than 4-4-2 where holding midfielder is the one who mostly relied on. After loosing the league on goal difference to Shitty, indication shows that, Fergie want more goals and you’ve had him assure Chicha that he will b counting on him to deliver.
Vidic starting is massive for us
Hey big John, he was born in Iowa raised to the age of 12 then his family moved to California , Lucas how nice.
How fucking great is modern TV Utd are playing preseason in Norway and i get it live on Canadian TV,for the $35 per month i spend to get every Utd game has to be the best deal ever
With a name like Marion you have to be a bad ass. Willie and I scratched a hole in our heads over the DCMer thing, love Flech he is done. Jones, Tunni, Clevs what? a 4-6? WTF then we were better, took some 20 posts of WTF’S?????????
wayne
It costs me 10 dollars a month to get over 250 channels, Premiership, CL, every football game played on the planet…….
God bless piracy
Lucas moura will be a united lad in the next few hours
Only awaiting confirmation
Unite united united the team of legends!!!!
I got a semi (in fact a full raging hard on) when I saw Keane on the team sheet. Unfortunately for the wife I realise it was Michael and not Roy, Margaret Thatcher naked couldn’t have reduced me more.
Cdars lol mate
Wayne you get it, what a time we live in, 90 out side. Inside a thermostatically controlled environment. A 60 inch 1080 hd live feed! Coffee from Hawaii with a battery operated remote control but plug in protection of being violated by a Cedar Tree.
hey lads any links to da game? kagawa ftw!
My nipples are hard in like 2 mins the boyz on a green pitch!
its about to start! its about to start!!
im like a 12 yr old on a sugar rush! :S
Zibbie Hawain coffee you must be rich mate,erm the butt plug mate blaming Cedars bit of a lame excuse..lol
full stadium, Pricy tickets about £60.
City throw £10 tickets at their “fans” for regular matches.
full stadium, Pricy tickets about £60.
City throw £10 tickets at their “fans” for regular matches.
I like that DDG came back early
Any of you fuckers got any links?
Giggs12
Ha ha ha pissing my self
Our rich options at full back never stop giving me warm fuzzies.
@Cedars
I was just speaking the truth mate.
Lindergaard wearing #13. Has taken parks shirt.
LMAO no excuse needed!!!!
Nemanja woah, nemanja woah
He comes from serbia he’s fuckin’ murder yah!!
The captain marvel is finally back
Wayne weekend coffee, friend in the business. I have like 8 different beans at home.
Cedars – http://www.ilemi.me/22361/3/Watch-Valerenga-IF-vs-Manchester-United-/
Cheerio!
Atin
Thanks!
Costas
You were indeed my friend…. Ha ha
The stadium is full of bouncing REDS…………What a sight for sore eyes seeing Vida back, and TV looks great in 7!
Almost all red!!! The worlds club, club of clubs.
Strange to see Phelan in a suite!
I have the MUTV crew Paddy is awesome.
Theteamthatwouldntdie
Even stranger to see him being serious and not taking the piss with Fergie
Peter the Viking looks great in the MUFC colors of suit.
Yes Nani is world class, thank fuck we have him
Finally Cedars appreciating Nani, its a nice moment on RoM.
That Ashley Young is wank though
I hear harps…. and soft strings….
Rt side looks strong, Rafa, TV7, Nani and Lucas. Overlapping terror.
4-3-3 TV7, Lucas and Nani
Giggs12
You know I was taking the piss you tit
It’s like playing West Bromwich/Sunderland/QPR etc…
We have to do all the ball keeping. But it’s too crowded. Is it Kagawa we need to quick things up in there?
Odd no CS game.
Tree 4-3-3
Rafa
TV7
Lucas
Good play. But you have to close the deal Danny!
Good play. But you have to close the deal Danny!
Welbeck?! ? Just blew a glorious chance.
Lost my link to the match, please let me know how many times Nani cries during today’s match
Thanks
Sums up Danny Welbeck… Fergie please sign RVP… Not another season watching Welbeck fluff his lines!!!
Rooney’s hair ? Ice Ice baby.
Cedars
I wasnt going to miss an opportunity like that mate
5 million people in Norway.
Over 40.000 are members of the United fan club.
That’s like almost 1 % of the population.
United could have a member on the parlament!
Rooney’s hair got in the way.
Giggs12
ha ha……..Guess you know me too well!
James7t7
Welbeck is positive, quick and not afraid. He will get to many chances. But at the moment he blows too many. Actually a bit like Andy Cole in that manner. But Cole scored more. But Danny is a vital part of the link up play. Players like Rooney, Welbeck, Kagawa and Cleverley can move the ball quickly and accurate.
Fuck me already getting Danny bashing,i was thinking how sharp he looks,really beginning to grow into his body,this lad will become a force
There are 5 million Norwegians? Fuck me sideways that’s just a tad more than Lebanese …….
Mind you we are better at raping shit! ha ha
Rooney’s hair lol
You heard the harps as well…
Chicarito will come good this season, we don’t need RVP. Sign Iker Muniain instead.
Scholes’ long passes…
I have no words.
The football world will never see anyone as great as the Ginger Prince again.
Please keep me posted on how me Ashley is getting on, also please provide diving stats on Nani
Thanks
LOL wayne Danny bashing hahahah he will rule the MUFC universe soon enough. See Wazza trying to get him a goal.
Our wing is our strength… I won’t mind Lucas arrival.
Cedars – that link not working anymore? Is for me.. In any case, will keep you informed.
Robbo speaking at half time on MUTV =)
The first 7 mins or so I was in a la la state of mind, Vida, Scholes, Rooney all on the same field. Rio TV with the number 7. Danny bigger thicker. Rooney’s goofy ass hair. Scholes every touch they scream shot!!!!
Roja Directa have plenty streams.
Atlin Cedars just taking the piss mate
For watching the match, use first row sports.
Zibbie
Kagawa needs to join that elite strike force!!
Brat Praty, not just 40 yards, weighted correct, on a dime and delivered in such a way they are Passes of advantage.
wayne –
waiting for kagawa to join in!
Kagawa will, he will be center of it all come the big games down the stretch. Center, center left. Second striker, behind Wazza or Wellbeck. All those places.
I would bet my left testicle that Young will have a better season than Nani……..
Anyone willing to take me on? Ball for ball
Nordic girls are tall drinks of water. Moredic for Nordics.
Any hoo, pissing off for me err walk! laters you nutters
Let me call 3 ball Charlie, he might.
TeamThatWillNeverDie:
Sorry mate… The guy in my opinion is so frustrating. Yes he may come to be the worlds best and I will eat my words. But tge raving in here is about the player he ‘may’ become. Hes a striker and I will judge him on the goals he scores which is a lot lower than he should and his conversion ratio is lower tha A Coles considering the amount he misses.
Unfortunately Fergie seems to favour him more than Chicco – which in my view is un justified regardless of what other things he brings to his game. I see Chicco as being the greater player in the long run.
James
Unjustified? Wellbeck was instrumental last year and Fergie picks on a number of factors not just goal ratio. I’m guessing you don’t go games as its hard to appreciate just quite what he gives the team that you can’t always see on TV or watch on match of the day. That’s not a dig just saying
Interesting line up now.
I bet the Fergie business involved watching Murray beat Federer
Cedars:
Nani brought down. Crying…
Cedars:
Nani brought down. Crying…
James7t7 – hernandez finishing at times is allot to be desired, and welbeck’s overall game is far superior to hernandez. At times I have not been the biggest fan of welbeck, but welbeck is still a better allround forward, so no there is no favorites, the boss feels welbeck is the better striker
This is becoming the most boring pre season ever. No tempo and no goals!
If couches looked like letters I would say
Fergie is an I
Phelan a b
When I’m 70 I want to be that fit!
Giggs12 No dig taken mate.. Its all opinions at the end of the day. If we all agreed how boring would this sport be!!! I dont feel that 14 games 1 goal is instrumental in a season that to be fair was the worst we have had in ages. Before you mention the points total.. Barring City, the competition was very sub standard. Chiccos season previously was more influential and resulted in glory too.
I do see what he gives to games.. As I mentioned before that is great if he scores too. Chicco has that in his armory too and can work on it but is much more lethal in front of goal, he obviously lacks thought as instictivly hes a genius, when he has to think he struggles a little.
Anyhow signing RVP will teach them and solve the discussion
Zibbie – also before PPL talk about RVP, berbatov is still on the united books, so it is not exactly easier said and done. This time for years ago, berbatov was at the peak of his powers, 4 years later he really has fallen from grace shame
Id laugh if Chicco scored now after coming on as a sub
Phelan out!
The team that wouldn’t die
That fanclub with 40,000 members that you mentioned is not just Norwegian, it’s Scandinavian. So there are Swedish and Danish members as well. I am one of the Swedish ones.
Capitano – I could see united building a midfield 3 of Carrick cleverly playing the deeper role in midfield, with kagwa being the link up player to support the front 3. I actually think kagwa will be a far superior no 10 than Rooney, who I feel is a more natural CF, while kagwa will offer united all sorts of options, not only attacking sense, but tactically, it has possibly changed the whole perspective of how united will set up. Scholes will possibly be still ahead of cleverly, but if cleverly can stay fit and really push on, our control of midfield games could really be a platform of how really good performances in Europe is well
Vidic has become so slim. But Looks perfect
-Michael Keane easily our MOM. Well done to the young lad.
-At the moment Bebe is more on fire than Young/Nani/Valencia
-Kagawa is pure class, one of our best players without a doubt!
this match is calling for Bebe….
I hate goal less draw. Have to improve our finishing.
There has been more positives than negatives in pre seasons and thats what we want. Kagawa is playing great. His link up play looks great. Youngsters also looking good.
Let’s hope that the season starts better than the pre season !
Kagawa looks good every time he has the ball.
Much like Keane, he never loses the ball. In his short spell at United he’s allready shown trickery and efficiancy.
A bit of a concern that we don’t score goals. Too much play in the middle of a very crowded defence today. What happened to fast wing play?
Phelan for Fergie’s successor.
Thoughts on the match:
* United should’ve been fucked in this game. That ball looked like it had crossed the line to me. Don’t know why but I thought it was a goal, still could be dead wrong though because I didn’t see it from a lot of angles. And that foul near the end, I thought was a penalty. Again could be wrong but that was how I felt.
* Kagawa is a really intelligent and dynamic player who needs a clearly defined role in the United front lineup. His movement, link-up play and movement with the ball are about as good as it gets. He really is going to be to us what Silva is to United, if not more. Amazing, amazing player. Just needs to start linking up with the front 3 of whoever (Rooney, Welbeck, Chicharito) and the wingers.
* Nani looked instantly better when working with Kagawa. The same way he looks instantly better when playing with Berbatov. And the same way he looked better with Cleverley in the team. These kind of players seem to bring the best out of him because they allow great link-up play and Nani’s is a clever mover off the ball. They find him and he finds them and their interplay is superior to watch to. Just hope we can make more of this connection.
* Powell is a first team player. No reserves bull shit. He looks like a better prospect than Anderson at this moment. He has the physique of a first team player. Most youngsters look like they’ll let themselves be bullied in the league. Not Powell, who looks absolutely rock-solid. His technique with the ball is great and he has great shooting feet on him. I am really, really excited to see him. Most importantly, an absolutely gorgeous looking United lad. How long has it been since David Beckham?
* Having Vidic back was awesome. He’s the rock in our defense. He again looked solid as always. He definitely seemed to have lost some weight (or I don’t know whether my stream was stretched a bit since even Scholesy looked tall, LOL!) Anyways, he is going to be like a new signing. Rio and Vida in the center immediately makes our defense sound superior and lets United fans rest easy.
* Rooney and Welbeck is going to be a lethal partnership once they get their understanding going and let it improve over time. They’re both great players and movers off the ball. They just need to get their link up play going and we’re going to be fine.
* Maybe Sir Alex is going to do away with a traditional mid-field and look for a more dynamic setup with Carrick being the base for attack. I don’t know. That sounds unintuitive to my untrained footballing brain but the news of Lucas Moura (which doesn’t sound that bogus with Sir Alex conspicuously missing from the game) and RVP (which also sounds bogus) tell me that only. That this is going to be a more dynamic United.
Anyways, the rustiness seems to be wearing off. Not the greatest United performance but definitely a better one than the previous matches and everybody looked fitter and stronger, which is exactly what you want out of pre-season.
Kagawa oozes class. I’m certain he’ll do well for us.
Typical Pre-season game. August 20th just can’t come quick enough at all, can it?
Typical Pre-season game. August 20th just can’t come quick enough at all, can it?
MG 13:25 … Moscow 2008, definitely no Darren Fletcher.
In a week that game could be 4-0.
Rooney’s hair was we MUFC lost the win.
Balaji was good for cedars. All but the RvP thing.
The team that wouldn’t die – yea bebe is a real wild card on this tour, and he already adds to the depth to our wide positions, he seems to have this unpredictable factor in the pre season, that made ronaldo such a fantastic player. . We will see at the start of the season, but if he keeps it up he could overtake our 3 wide boys. But back to lucas, where is he going to play?
Sao Paulo have denied that Moura is having a medical today. Or that any club have asked he has one. Bob C-ass at it again…
I’m more than happy our distant fan base can get to see the lads action, but I can’t wait for the real stuff to start. Wouldn’t take any notice of results, or lack of goals. Getting through these games with no injuries is the main thing for me.
Everton on the 20th, why they are at the game, pool fans in their homes, helping them selves to their women , meat pies cold ale and the new HD TV!!!!!!!!!!!!
Player has not been signed and we are deciding where he’ll play? looks like we’re following the motto of real-madrid’s florentino perez.
Sky the Telegraph calling it a done deal tho.
@costas
mate i think it could happen tomorow he certainly will be at OT. sky and telegraph are confirming it.
DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW RELIABLE IS MIGUEL DELANEY he says its a done deal
The worrying aspect is that, more often than not, most teams just like Valerenga will adopt the “park-the-bus” strategy against UTD and we struggled to break them down. We were not fast on the counter and we lacked ideas in the final third. Maybe I am exaggerating and our performance during the pre season maybe attributed to rustiness but with the season due to start in two weeks I do hope we look a lot more sharper than we currently are. Saying that, I thought we created a couple of good goal scoring opportunities and we should have scored a couple if not for the good goal keeping.
Coming down to the individual performances, I though Welbeck had a good game (sign the contract lad) so to did Nani, Valencia, Scholes (seeing him ping those 40 or so yard crosses to the wings is just breathtaking), Carrick, Rooney and Rio. I thought young Micheal Keane also put in a decent performance. Not spectacular but solid. Kagawa looks so smooth and non fussy in the way he plays. He will be our trump card in the box. His link up play with the attacking players will get better. I would have loved to see Powell have a clear shot on goal just to see how good a shot he has. Ando looked okayish again. Finally, how good was it to see our Captain back?? We missed ya Vidic. It is great to have him back in the team and he looked solid and steady for the 60 minutes that he was on the pitch.
Giggs12 – baffled as to why welbeck gets stick. He’s just gaining experience gradually but his all round game gives united fluidity and unpredictability going forward. being a pure goal scorer is not enough at the highest level. You have to link up play. I’ve always said welbeck needs to be more composed and with that comes better finishing. It will come hopefully.
@Zibbie
I’d take the word of his club over those 2 outlets pal. Not saying it might not happen, but obviously, the media were full of shit about him having a medical today. Lets take what they say with a grain of salt.
Perhaps Fergie was right. Maybe the business that Fergie was attending to today was actually about Baines…
Silly season , speculation, so close to masturbation. Having a piss. Wasting time. Playing with mine, and others minds. Close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. Or when the guy next to you steps on a land mined.
@ARUN
Like I said, I’d take the word of his club over anyone else. Besides, I thought he would decide on his future after the Olympics? I doubt he will undergo a medical for any club one day before his country plays the semi final.
@costas
mate i think you have got it wrong
i think brazilian football federation have said that they have not yet received a request for a medical.
intrestingly sao paulo have so far declined to comment on this issue
Somethings up Costas, even if a player deal is falling through, if not Lucas something.
so many counter claims it’s doing my box in fuck it i’l go and get him and i’l do the medical, balls to the rest of them
So if Lucas does not come, so what. 2 days of speculations, next. When SAF says I have my team GO 20!!
@costas
mate if there is no deal why would sao paulo refuse to comment.they have been quick to deny everything so far.but not this .i think he will come
From what I’ve seen of Moura at the Olympics he is clearly very talented, but also very raw. If we were to sign him I doubt he’d establish himself in the first team this season. But in a couple of years he could be a beast.
This article saying Brazil won’t release him so who knows.All we do know Sir Alex has stayed back for a reason
http://pitacodogringo.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/cbf-refuse-to-release-lucas-moura-for-manchester-united-medical/
Turn your head and cough. is what I’m waiting on. Who coughed, how was the cough.
Smoke and mirrors……we’re after Heskey!
@ARUN
Yeah, I was wrong there. It was the Brazilian federation and not his club that denied the reports. Got lost in translation. Not saying he might not join us. But obviously the Mail was full of hot air about him having a medical today. Won’t happen until he’s through with his commitments for the Olympic team.
Beat me to if and a clone of Maldini is 12 now.
Brazil Federation has denied Moura has gone for a Medical @United, besides saying if there were something the wouldn’t release himfrom training for medical.. “I think we should kidnap him on tuesday before the Brazil match @oldtrafford!”
That’s barely any proof to say moura is actually going to sign.
No say it aint so KEBAB!!!!!!! note the day and time. Kebab was wrong!!!!!!!
Sorry to piss on everybody’s parade, but Fergie on official business may not equate to ANY signing, forget RVP/Moura/Baines, whoever…United is a global enterprise with an IPO underway, and it could be just about anything, so let’s not get giddy to be disappointed later…just saying.
@Zibbie: Tell your mate that I’m at it, working out the schedule and will let you know! Viva Moriarty!
@Cedars: How the fuck are you gonna gangrape the shit out of this blog singledickedly? For a gangrape, the gang needs to be on your side, ffs!!
GGMU!
@costas
yes medical cant take place during the olympics.thats impossible.i think we can all understand that. but i do beleive this will be announced on say august 12 after olympics.i belive its his birthday on august 13 .that would be fantastic.
Moura spotted in Manchester hospital: https://mobile.twitter.com/fitzdave/status/232110024267272194/photo/1
Ready to eat humble pie, Costas? :p
My world just was turned upside down. It was rumored it happened once in 84 but never substantiated. But here in front of my eyes. Self admitted failure of correctness. I do not know how long it will take to find my balance. I’am off on a Forest Gump walk, not run….
I actually would prefer it if Fergie missed today’s friendly because he was looking to finalize a deal for a full back instead of Moura. Bare bones doesn’t even begin to describe how short our options are in that area.
@Zibbie
Like Robocop once said, we are only human.
i’m not giddy or will be disappointed just want all this shit over one way or the other,with ipo and transfer rumors everyday fucking sick of it
will not be disappointed
Like the 3 clitorasorus after Costas, he has me, and his own 3 headed trouser snake.
@Colbert
Piss off.
Nice photoshop work though!
@Costas
The best. The best, Jerry!
After opur friendly I have concluded that we should sell the following :
Rooney
Welbeck
Anderson,
Nani
Kagawa
Valencia
Young
We have to buy the following:
Messi
Ronaldo
Cavani
Aguero
RVP
So what kit you guys getting buried in. The Sharp?
@dannySOya
I’d only sell Anderson.
Perhaps Sir Alex has stayed behind because he can’t do too much flying in a short space (which he said so in an interview recently). Maybe the “business” reasons are that so fans don’t start panicking. Amazed considering how closely some of us follow every United titbit of information to the extent of making a tweet from a nobody seem like gospel that nobody had though of that.
This week Fergie would have had to fly to Oslo, then Gothenburg and if I’m not mistaken off to Germany then back to England all in a week or so.
We all read the tripe that Dave Whelan said at back end of last season about Fergie’s health and the British media contorted that into all sorts of things.
The way people on here are getting all excited on something thats just paper gossip and also leading the gullible ones on here astray by spouting out stats is plain stupid.
Would be very surprised if Brazil release Moura for a medical when they are one game away for either a gold or silver medal. If anything is to happen regarding Moura it will be next week and not a moment sooner.
Personally think we’re not getting him nor are we that interested.
The Chevron in my 57 Chevy. Then a Gold Finger , to be green
@Wayne: Wasn’t targeted at you mate, do agree that we want this to get over one way or the other…
SAF after the catwalk walk, now is in London Setting up a fall show, MUFC wear.
Confidence is sexy, ask any women. Who is more confident the the man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vziUC1IT0wo
jeet i know mate
James
Absolutely mate, if Chico gets a run of games and produces his first season form I will no arguments. I do love Danny, I was at eastlands last year in the cup and the boy was class.
Looking at the way Kagawa is being played I can’t see why we would go after RVP as good as he is.
Samuel
Danny is getting better and better and once he becomes an accomplished finisher then we will have one of the best strikers in the world.
Wayne
Two weeks tomorrow thank fuck we can just get back to the football. Moura, RvP is just painstakingly frustrating. Like Mike Kelly says until they are at OT with the scarf above their head it means nothing.
Ps have we bought Baines yet
Giggs12,amen brother,i agree Utd’s lack of depth at left back is a worry
Evening tit fuckers..
Heard fuck all rumors about Moura..
I still think we are not gonna sign any
We need a LB right now more than anything else. Oh wait, heard that Evra’s wife is expecting a baby.
Giggsy12 and Wayne,
I just hope we are not lining up with 3 defenders formation?
sandy –
I still think we’ll sign up 1 more guy. Don’t know if LB/ midfield/ striker.
On a different note, you in Bang?
Sandy
I think the boss learnt that against Fulham away in 09 not a chance he will make that mistake again.
Cedars and Balaji,
You folks check your inbox?
Just my 2 cents, but until we’ve tried 3 at the back with our recognized defenders, we don’t know if it works or not. Fergie tried it twice in 09-10, we won one and lost one, but none of line ups featured an actual established CB. Anyway, I doubt we will see United use this formation anytime soon. Unless an injury crisis forces us to.
Atin,
Yeah pal i m in Bangalore – not the heaven of IT, but the hell of traffic jams
Giggsy12,
yeah lets hope so pal..
wasup..you heading to Merseyside on Monday?
oh good – Im heading in for about 5 days starting this Friday. Let’s catch up at the United bar near Forum if thats’s convenient for you?
Sure pal we can catch up,
but the sad part i read coupla days ago that the Bar is going to be shut down completely as its not making much profit….
but hope it will be open for sometime..
Costas,
Hey mate,
Yeah i think we not gonna use that anytime soon..
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INs and OUTs..
IN
Shinji Kagawa (Dortmund, £17m), Nick Powell (Crewe, £4m).
OUT
Park Ji-sung (QPR, undisclosed), Richie De Laet (Leicester, undisclosed), Matty James (Leicester, undisclosed) Paul Pogba (Juventus, free), Tomasz Kuszczak (Brighton, free), Michael Owen (released), Fabio (QPR, loan)
Sandy
I am indeed mate, got a ticket in the ballot which was surprising to say the least.
Giggsy12,
That’s great news pal,
we need the best fans shouting out for the lads and you are one of the proud ones there!!
oh crap – the same thing happened with the one in gurgaon. I think the Vasant Vihar one in Delhi is going great. love the Mumbai one as well. Really swanky location!
Let’s hope this one isnt shut this weekend. Will send contact detail through fb. That cool?
@NotoriousRedDevil – what the hell are you on about mate? Lucas has only played a cameo role for the Brazilian team, if there was a medical scheduled, he would have surely gone as they don’t really depend on him.
That being said…i also don’t think the deal will be agreed before the end of next week, but it WILL be done.
Sandy
Cheers buddy, I much prefer away games to home if I’m honest as regardless of where we are the away crowd is immense.
Blackburn away last year was unreal I couldnt tell you what it was like when we scored from Tony V
What’s that coming over the hill?
Is it Nemanja?
Is it Neman-ja?
Who’s that bin dipping again
Is it a scouser
Is it a scouser
Atin,
Is It possible for you to meet on Thursday?
Friday night i will be travelling to attend my friend’s engagement..
will you be frequently travelling to Bangalore?
I will catch up regarding this on FB pal..
Giggsy12,
Yeah you are right pal, Blackburn away tops it in last season..
I have watched numerous videos of United fan chants of Blackburn game last season,,,
and you are right, fans went berserk after the Valencia goal..
watching on YouTube and being there for real is all together different poles i know..
but still cant help with the goosebumps..
A 0-0 score to end the game… the lads need to get the booze out of the system quickly and start focusing on the new season beckoning
Sandy
I’ll look at Blackburn on YouTube as I was on the sky footage going mental when we scored both I was dead centre behind the goal.
You can out a name to a face then.
Well this is utter and complete cunting bollocks……Went for my err walk, was a quick walk to be honest, got back and my internet was down……..Just got connected 10 minutes ago
Fucking corrupt Lebanese bastards
Right, so it was nil nil eh? How did Nani get on?
Me & MrsBee were attending Mass earlier today……
About halfway through, MrsBee leans over and whispers…..,
‘I just let out a long silent fart; what do you think I should do?’
I told her, ‘Put a new battery in your fucking hearing aid.’
walk Cedars?…..you scoundrel…you must have walked poor Linda over half of Lebanon by now…..
Giggsy12,
thrilled,
care to share the link?
here
or on sandy.manchester@gmail.com
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Che Cedara,
laughed my ass out on your ink story
If you ever do that to a Bitter fan, if you have one, then i will vote for you to be knighted
Evening mate..
Giggsy12,
Meanwhile i keep checking the video on tube..
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TonyBee,
what brilliant idea you gave to the fucker in cedars?
awesome..
he DID it!!!
Thank god, you dint suggest him spank his renty mate, you never know, he would have spanked him big time
9.87 secs to reach the finish line in wat looked like Jogging!!
He’s name is USAIN BOLT and he’s a Red Devil..
Cedars
Official analysis on the BBC
Game was boring Nani was class and Young was dog shit.
Breaking news but the sad one,
Mass shooting in USA.
Gunman enters a Sikh Temple in Milwaukee, killing atleast 6 Sikhs during their prayers.
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anyone got anything authentic? picked the news from Internet..
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Mr Bee
Left you a reply on the other thread…………Your idea was pure genius mate.
Sandy Baby
Evening pal, yeah it was funny as fuck, every time I remember his reaction I piss my self. By the way you do know one of my other best friends is a long time bitter? He will be my next victim whenever he’s here
found this link for the highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2e6UKLTAB4
Giggs12
Cheers mate, but that sounds to me like a completely blinded and bias analysis
Che Cedara,
so, you will soon be Sir Cedars, fuck me, that sounds ridiculous
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Hey Nani-Nani ohhh!
Hey Nani-Nani ohhh!
Ho Nani-Nani!
Ho Nani-Nani! Hey Nani-nani!
Hey Nani-nani!
Oh Nani!
Oh Nani!
lordrt,
thnx for the French link
any news on Evra’s baby?
Sandy
I might actually use spray paint next time, huge MUFC on his chest! ha ha
Cedars
They are cunts the BBC mate I was expecting a more in-depth analysis
is my internet not working or ROM is slow today?
Giggs12
You tit, I was referring to your comment on Nani and Young! ha ha
Sandeep1878: no news about the baby buddy, unless someone has Evra’s number to text/call him
Barcelona next in line for the preseason, let’s hope for a win in that one
Cedars,
good luck mate, fucking video tape the whole episode
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Giggsy12,
true that on BBC..
Has anyone seen me Jimmy James? Hope he’s all right, thing is he’s so small he could get lost in tiny places, I always worry about him
Cedars you clown I was joking with you haha
Giggs12
We’re all just a bunch of bouncing REDS and we love a laugh, we also love to take the piss!
BBC is always right Coz it says nani is world class and they dont who Young is
but their other analysis is shit
Lordrt,
Park has Evra’s number
Cedars,
lets bounce,
One Bryan Robson..
There is only one Bryan Robson..
One Bryaaan Rooooooooooooooooooson…
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His 14 minute interview from the 90s..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDTe6EA2dvQ
Sandy Baby
Cheers for the link, I already have it, in fact I may actually have the largest footage on Robbo that ever existed………….People may start to think he is my favourite! ha ha
Cedars,
Is he your favorite? ha ha ha
By the way there used to be a poster here that posted as ‘Its in my blood’ Not seen him for ages….We shared so much in common, even lived on the same street in Manchester…..I miss the bugger…Hope he’s ok
Sandy
Yes, you would tend to think so!
Good night reds..
time to catch some sleep..
United
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please don’t take my Solskjaer away.
Night Sandy Baby
We could do with Zibbie here right now giving us all sorts of formations
And where on earth is everyone? I need me my United loving
God I am bored, its a hot evening and sniff sniff I am all by me self
Sao Paulo have denied any deal is in place for Moura. Bob Cass got this one spot on again!
And where are the RoM ranters? Gaz, King Eric, Kings and Bobby Charlie?
Glazers out
@ peter – Read this first. http://sport.uk.msn.com/football/travel-takes-its-toll-on-fergie
Pray tell what evidence do you have apart from the unreliable newspapers and shit stirring Sky who have got more than one story wrong this summer that the Moura deal will be done. Brazil won’t release him for a medical while they are still in the Olympics end of story.
Medicals are pretty strenuous, why would they risk it? Although I’m sure he could cope with a medical and training, they won’t do that with a game on Wednesday. Nobody knows the state of the Brazil squad, who has what knocks.
Not convinced until he’s standing with the shirt with Moura on the back and even then won’t be convinced due to experiences with Mikel and Lljac.
Everyone is jumping the gun here, we’ll be seeing lads with Moura tattoes before the end of the week considering some of the stuff I’ve been reading on here last 2 weeks.
I just don’t buy it, the fees that have been suggested seem over the top. You yourself have said he’s only played a cameo but figures between £20-£35 million have been suggested which for me doesn’t represent vlaue for money. As an example contrast with Oscar who cost chelski less money (when they are loaded) and he actually gets into the Brazil team, seems this Moura deal is risky as hell.
Our success with signings directly from South America have all been disasters bar Rafael and you could argue that that signing doesn’t count because according to my knowledge he never played for Fluminese or whoever it was we signed him from. Got all his training here.
RIP to all the Sikhs who were murdered in the shooting.
There’s no need for guns in a suburban area.
If you have a problem with someone and can’t talk it out you were born with 2 weapons (in some peoples cases 4 or 5). A couple of knuckle sandwiches and away you go.
If you need to carry a gun around as a civilian for the excuse to defend yourself you’re a fucking pussy as far as I’m concerned.
NRD why don’t you just post about football and keep your euro-socialist antigun bullshit to yourself pal.
Back on topic, went to the zoo today with the kiddo (carrying my .40 like always I might add) and just watched the match on DVR. Plenty of one touch passing displays just barely missing out on goals and one wonder clearance by Wayno just before the ball got across the line. I don’t know about everyone else but Im getting pretty sick off all of these preseason matches with all of our opposition playing park the bus and attempt to counter, but I guess it’s good practice.
@Notorious
I agree as far as gun control goes mate.
Because JC I’m a Sikh and responding to what Sandeep said so fuck off and do one.
Can’t be totally wrong Costas seems to agree.
Not sure what personal carry has to do with a nutjob on a killnig spree other than if there would have been a person with a CCW been on hand then maybe there would have been a few less innocent people killed. Anyway obviously you’re blinded by your prejudice so feel free to keep hating the inanimate object and not the insane human that actually did the killing. Carry on.
If someone’s insane, then there should be regulations so that people like him never get their hands on guns. It hasn’t worked out that bad for other countries has it?
No guns no shooting spree. Pretty simple really.
Loads of times on this forum, yourself included – you’ve chatted about shit that has fuck all to do with United or football for that matter.
However when I give my view on something else, on people who are from the same cloth as me. Its bullshit.
Give me one good reason why anybody needs a weapon to defend themselves other than they can’t do it themselves?
There’s guns here in England too. Heard of Brixton, St Annes, No regular mass shootings though and certainly not in a temple.
Boils down to one simple thing my old man taught me, if you can’t defend yourself using your hands picking up a weapon doesn’t make you more of a man.
The fact you’re not even apologetic about these Sikhs being murdered (I have a feeling why but won’t say till there’s a full report on the incident) says it all really.
Look at me I’m a tough guy because I have a gun.
When everyone has access it to it its only a matter of time before a cunt goes off on one. Thats twice in a very short space of time now. So hardly a irregular occurrence is it.
Nothing to do with prejudice and just common fucking sense.
Both you posts and lack of remorse make me want to throw up.
There are plenty of regulations and we actually have very few random killings like this but crazy/angry people are always going to find a way. I could link plenty of knife crimes in England and for that matter theres plenty of crimes comitted with guns there as well even though gun ownership is almost completely banned by private citizens. It’s not the weapon that kills its the deranged person or gang of people and I sure as hell want to be able to protect myself and my family from those people. Remember when seconds count the police are minutes away.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html
http://sob.apotheon.org/?p=1323
Dont be stupid NRD no one is going to be able to protect themselves or their family from some gun/knife/bat wielding nutjob without being able to carry a weapon themselves. If someone in that theater in CO would have been carrying their CCW there definitely would have been a lot few people who lost their lives and probably the same thing in WI. There’s plenty of gun violence in every single county even those that ban guns, see Mexico where civilian gun ownership is completely banned but there are mass killings weekly by narco criminals. Also knife violence is out of control in England (and gun violence is on the rise too despite the gun bans), I could post plenty of links on that as well.
I also don’t appreciate your sly racist dig either, I couldnt care less what race, creed etc any of the victims are Id still feel the same way, pray privately for them and if I ran into or spoke with anyone related or connected to one of them of course Id offer my condolences. I fail to see how not offering inane well wishes on an internet forum to people in another country that arent in any way connected to the victims other than being of the same faith reflects poorly on me other than your prejudices again showing through.
I’ll also tell you that carrying a gun absolutely doesn’t make one a tough guy. It’s a grave responsibility that I’ve chosen in order to be able to protect both my family and myself. I’ve been shooting since I was 5 or 6 and have previously been involved in high level competitive target shooting though I’ve been out of that for awhile. I’ve also been carrying for the past 15 years or so. The liability that you subject yourself to by doing that is pretty high so I don’t look down on anyone that chooses not to protect themselves however to me the ability to keep my family safe far outweights it in my opinion. Remember when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
This is the last I’ll post on the subject, no one’s opinion is going to change and arguing politics just pisses everyone off (almost as much as a Berbatov or Nani v Young thread). I just hate it when people use a tragedy to argue for increased government regulation of a constitutional right.
What asly racist dig? if you’re on about
The fact you’re not even apologetic about these Sikhs being murdered (I have a feeling why but won’t say till there’s a full report on the incident) says it all really.
The bit in bracket is the reasoning of why the loon has shot them, and is not directed at you. Should have been worded better but you pissed me off calling my views bullshit when I’ve read stuff from you i.e your surgery which has nothing to do with footy or United.
So I’m not surprised I didn’t word it better.
When something tragic happens a lot of people on ROM send out their wishes. You just didnt so that makes you a cunt in my eyes. 9/11 didn’t effect me directly still wrote in a condolence book at my college.
Its my view and I’m sticking to it, don’t want to read it scroll down. (You can do that by using your mouse or the downward arrow key on the keyboard)
Dont know what a CWW is, you can use Mexico as an example and if this had happened there my view would be the same.
You’re taking it as a dig at the States when I used St Annes (which is Nottingham which is in England by the way) and Brixton (which is London) as examples of where gun crime is.
A farmer in this country got jailed for shooting a burglar who had a baseball on him I believe. So contort my views which ever way you want.
They are my views and I’m free to say them.
On the general argument on guns (Not sure why the fuck we are discussing it here) I am with JC on this one ………….
Guns and men go hand in hand, I have an AK47 and I go for target practice every now and then and the feeling is epic…I now live in a country that every house hold has enough ammunition that could start a war yet you never hear of anyone going on a shooting spree.
The world is full of freaks, remember the gas attack on the subway in Japan?
This is not about laws banning guns, its about the fact that we will always have people that will commit such things regardless………..Do you honestly believe that say if owing a gun in the US was banned it would have prevented that cunt from doing what he did at the movie theatre?
@Cedars
Probably not mate. He might as well have driven a truck into the theatre. However, there’s something seriously wrong when a 24 year old can get his hands on 4 guns and the amount of ammunition that that moron in Colorado did.
There are many countries that don’t have gun control and I am sure they have some freaks of their own. So how is it that those other counties can deal with crimes and actually have a smaller rate of criminality? If a society has a no gun control policy, then it leaves itself open to more homicides by firearm. Simple. I didn’t have a gun when someone tried to break into my house a few years back and thank God I didn’t. Because my initial instict would have been to shoot someone that ended up being a coward anyway and land myself in a ton of shit.
Anyway, guns shouldn’t get banned altogether, but like I said, some regulations wouldn’t harm. It’s a joke how in certain countries anyone can get their hands on one. And then you have people blame Marilyn Manson or playing violent video games for the Columbine massacre instead of the guns themselves. Ridiculous.
Costas
Just a question for you my friend……Do you seriously think if guns were banned, then if a freak wanted to get some he could not?
Anyway as I said why on earth are we discussing this on here……….Back to United, RvP and Kagawa
@Cedars
I don’t know mate. Maybe yes. But why make it easier for everyone to get one? I am sure there are responsible folks like yourself that have a gun in their possession. But personally speaking, I wouldn’t feel comfortable living in a society where anyone could get his hand on a gun. And that’s coming from someone who’s living in a country, the crime rate of which has increased ten fold recently.
But those are my 2 cents. I prefer to talk about UNited too. The gun topic rarely gets anyone anywhere sadly.
Countries listed by firearm-related death-rate per year:
1 South Africa – 75 (per 100, 000 people)
2 Colombia – 52
3 El Salvador -50
4 Jamaica – 47
5 Honduras – 47
6 Guatemala - 39
7 Swaziland - 37
8 Brazil – 14
9 Estonia – 13
10 Panama – 13
11 Mexico – 12
12 United States – 10
In my homeland (South Africa), owning a gun is asking to be robbed/attacked/killed.
Your gun is the target.
That said, no gun = no defense against home invasion, and everyone here is a victim of violent crime. It is not unusual to be threatened with death by a criminal. It is common for people to be killed or brutally maimed for a cell phone or a few shekels. I guess that 99% of taxi drivers are armed (and also dangerous!) There is no answer other than being prepared to defend yourself.
Banning guns here will have no effect, as about 85% of guns are not licensed or legal.
rumours emerging that lucas to psg has been agreed and he’ll move in january psg? really pisses me off