‘Welcome to Hell’ read the memorable banner as United arrived in Istanbul to be greeted by Galtasaray fanatics in 1993. The second leg of a European Cup tie saw Aslanlarsupporters arrive four hours before kick-off within the confines of the infamous Ali Sami Yen stadium, as the intensity soon resembled a war zone. ‘No way out’ they chanted, while another banner unfurled read ‘Manchester United RIP’. A cauldron was a holiday in contrast.
Such an atmosphere is unlikely at Anfield, regardless of the FA Cup’stendency to prompt a mini-revival of hooligans’ heady days. There’ll be no tear gas to greet United as they disembark and head to their dressing rooms, and the Anfield stewards will be under scrutiny to ensure that cups of excrement and urine aren’t tossed on to the visiting supporters in the Anfield Road’s first tier.But like the ardent 2006 atmosphere, it has the potential to be poisonous again.
Chants about Munich, Hillsborough, Heysel and Harold Shipman will possibly be exchanged as both supporters stress that irrespective of the on-pitch gulf, Liverpool-United is still English football’s number one rivalry. City can be as raucous as they like, but the East Lancs animosity is rooted as far back as the 19th century. That number again; 19…
It is also eerily similar to six years ago whereby a United player is at the centre of attention. Whereas Gary Neville celebrated a last-minute winner by clutching his badge in front of Liverpool supporters, Patrice Evra was racially abused by Luis Suárez. He will undoubtedly be booed, jeered and heckled by Scousers, ostensibly because he spoke about the Uruguayan’s sister’s genitals.
Evra’s display against Arsenal on Sunday was a throwback to his swashbuckling bravado between 2006 and 2010 for United. Although Wayne Rooney was banging in the goals and taking the plaudits two seasons ago, less impressionable observers identified Evra as United’s best and most consistent performer.
Cantona-lite is an endearing quality in M16 and Evra is many supporters’ favourite player, augmented by him commendingthem for protesting against the loathsome Glazer family. Quotable and eccentric, Potty Paddy’s forlorn form the past 18 months has arguably been distorted by followers’ fondness for him.
No one should doubt whether he has the mettle to withstand the Anfield crowd either. Football grounds can still be nefarious places, but many hardcore supporters have been priced out and/or become disenchanted with the game’s soul-selling exploits. Instead they are populated by so many tourists and bandwagon-jumping Johnny-come-latelys that nowadays, said nefarious environment is as rare as Kenny Dalglish blaming himself.
On his debut at Eastlands six years ago, Evra was substituted at half-time after a torrid 45 minutes, with City 2-0 ahead. That summer, after an inauspicious start, United We Stand’s website responded to rumours that Valencia – nicknamed ‘The Bats’ – would offer a bid for him with the headline ‘Are the Bats blind?’ His resilience, in spite of some ludicrous knee-jerking, was still admirable.
Comments about Arsenal being babies or his brush with a Chelsea groundsman haven’t been forgotten in either north or west London, yet he hasn’t gotten flustered on either patch. Not once has he been sent off since he arrived at Old Trafford, while at Anfield in October, he didn’t react despite proven provocation from Suárez. Instead he kissed the badge in front of the Kop.
Perhaps it is that spiky streak that has affected his performance level. It appears to be no coincidence that since he purportedly engineered the French mutiny at the 2010 World Cup that he suddenly switched from reliable to unreliable. If anything Evra relishes conflict too much, hence his recent regression.
The man of the match showing at the Emirates was a timely fillip in a week when speculation will continue to mount over whether he starts at L4 or not. Of course, he should. Ferguson didn’t withhold Paul Ince from the baying hordes at Upton Park, Cantona at Leeds or – until recently – Rooney at Goodison Park.
Gerard Houllier never started Nick Barmby at Goodison after his transfer across Stanley Park to the red side, and any similar strategy from Ferguson highlights a chink in the armour. Not only in his man-management, but the Reds’ occasionally porous defence which is, ultimately, vastly superior with Evra at left-back rather than Fabio da Silva. Welcome to Hell? It could feasibly be more like Hull.
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Nice read Samuel, many thanks.
I remember the welcome to hell chants and banners back in 93, it was some atmosphere truth be told. I have no worries on Evra handling the obvious abuse he will get, in fact it will only inspire him.
Suarez on the other hand should be a lot more worried, I am sure the reception he will receive at OT for the league match will me one to savor
COME ON REDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KLU KLUX KLANFIELD will be loud.
It’s not the fans I am worried about. If you think back to that cup game in 06, it was the Liverpool players themselves that singled out Gary Neville. And we can’t afford to lose Evra at this point.
If they abuse him, we don’t need to abuse the fans back we should just sing his name as loud as we can to shut the idiots up.
haha just got to know that Martin Atcuntson withdraws from officiating the match cuz he has a virus.
@Arjunited
Guranteed they will ship in another corrupted cunt to replace the leeds whore
it has been reported that liverpool fans have been buying white hooded cloaks in mass for the visit of man utd – daly mirror
@Gaz
its Mark Halsey who will be the referee now.
Good riddance to bad rubbish as far as Atkinson goes.
His replacement is Mark Halsey by the way.
gaz
Have to admit, your constant foul mouthed posts crack the fuck out of me. Brilliant stuff pal and keep it up……
Another leeds whore, Ian Payne, stupid broadcaster hates us with a passion, the minute I see him on TV I either mute or switch off the bugger
Park, Park, wherever you may be,
You eat dogs in your home country!
It could be worse, you could be Scouse,
Eating rats in your council house!
I wonder if Atkinson withdrawing himself from this game makes his eligible for the Chelsea game in 10 days. Maybe that was the plan all along…
Hernandez, Hernandez where ever you may be,
You drink Tequila in your home country,
Could be worse, you could be Scouse,
Drinking Piss in yer Council House.
Its quite a sad state of affairs that one of our players is going to get hounded for 90 minutes because he was racially abused. Fair enough if he had come out in the press saying he hated scousers or that Dalglish, god forbid, is an average manager who has underachieved having spent £130million.
Liverpool fans have gone down massively in my estimation along with the club. The way they handled the whole sorry affair was to once again blame somebody else. The t-shirts riled me more than anything. Thats the kind of gesture you make when a player has lost a family member or suffered a tragedy. Not promoting the notion that racism is acceptable because the player happens to be an employee of the football club.
Could have seen LFC standing by the likes of Alberto Nunez or Peggy Arphexad if the same was levelled at them during their spell with the club? Of course not. Suarez is their “saviour”, Torres replacement, Golden Boy and as such can do no wrong in their eyes. The clubs stance has given their right wing element of the fan base to come out of the doldrums and think its acceptable to now openly racially abuse players from the stands, players/fans on twitter and has created a monster. Kenny of course will take no blame for this. He is Mr Teflon and nothing sticks on the King….
Name, Name wherever you may be,
You wank off in your home country,
Could be worse, you could be Scouse,
Fingering yer Gran in yer Council House.
dalgliesh has been spotted dressed as ghost and burning wood in glen johnsons garden, dalglhesh responded by saying late halloween fun.
“it has been reported that liverpool fans have been buying white hooded cloaks in mass for the visit of man utd – daly mirror”
We could fight fire with fire on the 11th feb and “black up” in support of Patrice. This will show our support for him and hopefully lead that goofy racist cunt to have a mental breakdown on the pitch!
@CedarsDevil
Its a pleasure sir! i have a lot of abuse to give and a lot of ABUs to give it to!
@Brigadier19
@ricky
Love it always cracks me up those ones!!
So False Teeth Halsey is the ref then?
Brigadier19 & ricky
Terrific scouse jokes…… Brilliant
ricky the Park song is racist i can’t believe people sing that
Don’t get why Utd players have to be slagged off to get to a dipper punchline,don’t understand why fans would slag off our own players in the first place
at wayne
sorry if its offensive but it was a popular park song, one of my fave player behind the beast valencia
wayne
I beg to differ pal, they actually do eat dog meat in Korea, in fact its a famous dish. Nothing racist about the comment. We eat raw lamp here and if anyone made reference to it I would take no offense because its a fact!
Red army are behind you Paddy! Spot on about this being the one for both sets of fans. Tribal warfare! Just hope our lads hold their nerve. There will be a flashpoint in the game. Keep our heads, and play our football. We’ll win the game. 19
Cedars it’s not a popular dish mate,your facts are wrong,the quote comes from online.
Although a fair number of South Koreans (anywhere from 5 to 30%) have eaten dog meat at least once in their lifetime, only a small percentage of the population eats it regularly. There is a large and vocal group of Korean people that are against the practice of eating dog meat.[
To the ave South Korean it would be insult
I really can’t wait for the Liverpool game and that article just made me more excited… I heard that cleverley will be back for the game too, I mean finally!
wayne
Trust me my friend it is a popular dish, I know that from many friends who have been. But what is the point here? If they enjoy dog meat than so be it. Each to their own…. After all scousers enjoy rats eh?
With Cleverly, got to be careful,ankle problems are tricky .
Just hope he fully recovered, like Carrick who finally is over his ankle problems.
So lets hope liverpool are still celebrating ,will walk on the field of battle with pot bellys and beers in hand.
That penalty making headlines maybe will deter the ref in this game,unless he is sure.
The ref has me worried. We dont have a good record with him do we?
Hopefully no violence.
@Costas @Arjununited : Confirmed atkinson is out? Whats our record with Hasley?
Cedars the song is aimed at Park suggesting he eats dog meat if he doesn’t it’s racist and insulting assuming all South Koreans eat dogmeat..Cedars i just pulled that off the internet eating dogmeat is not a popular dish,i also know alot of South Koreans don’t know one that eats dogmeat
Nothing to argue about just not into sterotyping by race.Like accusing all Muslims of being terrorists,you don’t find it offensive mate fair enough
Wud anyone unfurl a banner , welcome to klanfeild, KKK.
OMG i just saw now that Nani could be out for up to two months. Are you serious TWO FUCKING MONTHS? Are we cursed? We need to exorcise the injury demons. This is getting VERY worrying. I hope he gets well QUICKLY along with all the other injuries we have.
@Dave
19 wins, 5 draws and 2 losses (a loss at Southampton in 03 and the Coventry defeat in 07).
It’s his second Liverpool-United game. The first one was the last time we won there in 2007.,
@Costas: Tq, sounds goot.
@dannysoya: Fridays press conference has me on the edge. Rooney,Nani,Jones,Rio,Carrick,Smalling,Cleverly.
Hopefully all back healthy in the first team,
@danny
That’s what’s been reported in Portugal this week. Hopefully Sir Alex will have better news tomorrow. I hate to be pessimistic, but if it’s true, then this injury blow could be too much to come back from. He’ll miss some huge games in all 3 competitions.
Hell it might be but we are Utd and we expect Pat to handle it pretty well. Love UTD..
Pfft, Hell? Big deal. people seem to forget the logo on the Manchester United crest. No biggie, the devils feel right at home i hell
*in*
Welcome to HULL!!!!
Scouser ain’t a chance, Tony V will drive it home for us on saturday…
lebomanc
will chicharito be able to play against liverpool?
Jasmine_mufc
I don’t know, but I do think he’s fit cause he’s been on the bench for the past few games. I think cleverley will be fit too
hopefully he will….. though i think cleverly needs more time to practice after his long medical vacation …… and our defense is too weak…
I like it Samuel – didn’t wanna bang on at the time but I can’t see Alex Big Bollocks Ferguson keeping a fit Evra out of the team just to visit Anfield. No chance. For starters it weakens our whole team. I love Fabio as much as anyone but he is currently no-where near Evra’s consistency or reliability. Both twins are still learning the ropes, but when Paddy is fit you play him, its as simple as that.
As for the stick he’ll get, Paddy’s a grafter from the HLM’s of the French Capital, so I honestly doubt he could give a flying fuck about some dirty Scousers making noise for 90 minutes. Yeah Paddy is polite and well spoken and all that but don’t get it fucked up he is a hard bastard at the end of the day. In my book he has to start, he’s the Captain ffs how pathetic would United look NOT playing their perfectly fit and in-form Captain? By our managers own admission Rooney can’t handle playing Everton, but that doesn’t mean Paddy can’t handle Liverpool. Like Samuel suggests I think we’re giving LFC and their “amazing atmosphere” too much bloody credit. Like every player in the dressing room im backing Evra to have a top game this Saturday. We’ve all heard him dream about winning an FA Cup, its the only one he doesn’t have, and he’ll never ever have a better moment than this to claim it. What a story to tell the Grandkids aye?
Didnt mean to stirr another controversy on here. But some Asian people did eat dog meats, not only Korean but also Vietnamese, Chinese and some part of Indonesians.
Jasmine_mufc
if rooney can’t play the liverpool game, I think we will see welbeck and chico team up( would like to see that) and he HAS to score its been a while. Btw cleverley has been training for a while now
TheCANTONA yes mate some do but alot don’t and i’m guessing in some of those countries it’s done out of necessity alot of starving people.To sing a song about Park eating dogmeat is fucking racist simple as that.
acctually im just wondering how r we supposed to win without Nani ,Valencia and Welbeck… =c
Jasmine_mufc
What is wrong with valencia? I thought he was ok
Job for Scott
An in depth analysis of Uniteds players and injuries. Player by player and how many games, hopefully by %, they have been out and unavailable, the last couple of years…..
I just read that Nani is out for at least a month along with, god knows, a bunch of players. I mean if United are cash strapped – imagine the amount on money sitting idle in the training room……
I also read somewhere that Ashley Young played more than 90% of the games for Aston Villa, but upon his move to United, that number has dropped down to about 50%. This has nothing to do with selection, but availability. Something has to be wrong.
Would also be interesting to see numbers for Phil Jones, Smalling, Nani and even De Gea. There must be numbers from the clubs they were at, before they came to United.
Well i hope Evra doesn’t get abuse but to be frank he’ll probably get bucket loads. I think Liverpool fans should put tribal allegiances aside and face up to the fact that Suarez did make an offensive comment and deal with it in the proper way. I’ve accepted he was in the wrong and all I’m concerned about is getting the right result.
@Wayne – not to jump in or anything mate but a lot of people DO eat dogs in Park’s home country of Korea, North and South, and its actually a delicacy so imo the song isn’t racist. Would it be racist if Turkish supporters sang that Scott Carson eats “Pig Blood” in his home country? Loads of people in Britain DO eat Black Pudding after all, don’t they? Imo if Carson’s Turkish fans sang about Pigs Blood it wouldn’t be racist, and likewise when the United faithful sing about Dogs I don’t think thats racist either, tbh.
Also mate, don’t assume people eat Dogs out of “necessity or starvation”. In fact there are some Asians who would call your views backwards and racist! Many middle class Asian families see Dog as a delicacy and proudly eat it, so its really not a question of starvation mate LOL. Park himself said he used to drink FROG JUICE when he was younger and it wasn’t because he was poor, its packed with protein apparently, so if the faithful changed the lyric to “Frogs in your home country” would you also call that racist? More to the point, from what I’ve read Park has never been offended by the song and why would he? They DO eat dogs in his home country! Just like they eat Pig Blood, Sheep Brain and fuck knows what else in Britain. Its all fucking disgusting if you ask me! But hey each to his own.
I’ll pretend I didn’t just read on here Nani is out for 2 months…..
Atkinson out = we’re going through!
The old switcheroo. Any punters who had backed Liverpool on the basis of Atkinson being ref will be out of pocket now.
No way should Fergie even consider leaving Evra out, won’t happen. Even with Rooney….it was only last season that he left him out, coz all the allegations about his private life came out (and his form was poor anyway). As far as I remember, before that he’s started every game at Goodison, and did the same again this season. Likewise at Anfield, he normally starts, it was just this season when all the stuff came out about his Father.
No doubt Evra will be getting dogs abuse but he can handle it. I just hope Fergie doesn’t opt for too much experience and decide to play Scholesy and Giggsy. We need calm heads in a game like this, but at the same time we need legs too.
Could be a double switcheroo of course, but Halsey is one of the least dodgy refs, as far as I know.
Evra dropped = the racists have won. Won’t happen.
(I’m not using “the racists” as a synonym for Liverpool FC there.)
Paul Parker between 5 to 30% of South Koreans have tried dogmeat once a large % of people are against it so don’t know were you’re getting facts from mate.
Also the song is aimed at Park because he’s Korean assuming someone does something because of his race,isn’t racist? are you having a laugh here or what.
Unless someone knows for a fact Park eats dogs it’s fucking racist he might be appalled at the thought of eating dogs yet because he’s Korean it’s ok to sing about it fuck off
Like Cedars mentioned at 11:29, Suarez more than Evra should be worried about the reception he gets at OT. The OT faithful are gonna have a field day when L’pool come into town. I’m sure Evra can handle whatever abuse the Anfield crowd throws at him. But make no mistake the atmosphere is going to be extremely volatile and intense. It wouldn’t surprise me if a couple of players got sent off. The lads need to keep a calm head and focus on their game.
park if your reading this,
당신은 개를 먹어요
Nani will probably be out for a bit but Ashley young is on the verge of returning could possibly be back this week end so that’s the left side sorted.
wayne wayne whoeva you maybe,
you eat pig in your home country,
could be worse you could be scouse,
sniffin shit in yer council house.
just cheer up wayne its only a joke
ricky don’t find racist jokes or chants very funny mate
Be interesting to see how Fergie plays it with Rio. If he’s fit, then I think he’ll start….coz Fergie will want his experience in a hostile atmosphere like this.
BUT….I’ve gotta say, I’m not too sure about Rio vs Bellamy, think his lack of pace could get exposed.
So if Dalglish thinks Rio’s starting, he’ll play Bellamy to try and expose him. If he thinks Smalling and Evans are playing….he’ll probably go with Andy Carroll and try and bully them.
So don’t be surprised if Fergie plays smoke and mirrors with Rio’s fitness….i.e. if he says Rio isn’t fit….expect him to play! And if he says he should be fit….expect him to miss out.
Spot on Scott concerning the rivarly. City like to think they are our biggest rivals but don’t compare to the dippers. Two clubs with proper history and shit loads of trophies between them. City are nowt more than a nuisance trying to be heard . “Please look at us, oh please”. Oh fucking bore off you oil money cunts with your shit fans and shit chants. Can they even make up their own chants? “Mancini Whooaah, he came from Italy , to manage Man City”. How fucking cringeworthy ? And dont get me started on “We are not really here”. Too fucking right you aint looking at the Anfield Road last night. Poznan’s, inflatable fucking bananas, blue curly wigs. Embarrassing. Truly embarrassing.
Sorry . Samuel not Scott.
@King Eric
Not to mention “we’ll score when we want”. What a load of shite.
@Wayne – we clearly disagree so deal with it aye? And steady on telling me to fuck off you got turrets or something? Im only responding because its WRONG to suggest this United song is racist, it bloody well isn’t. Just because you got a “facht” from Wiki doesn’t make it true fella. Dog meat is a popular and widespread dish in North and South Korea – end of story – regardless of what Eurocentric bollocks is written about it.
So having said that, if Dog Meat is a popular in Park’s home country how is it racist to suggest he eats it in a light hearted song? Is it a crass generalisation? Maybe, but is it RACISM? Come off it.
Lets say a song is made up about Hernandez drinking Tequila. We all know the young Mexican is TEE TOTAL right?… so I guess you and people like you would call such a horrible song “racist” as well? What a load of PC bollocks.
People call anything and anybody racist these days, even Diane Abbott ffs! The average cunt in my country (don’t know where your from wayne) wouldn’t know racism if it lynched them from a telephone pole and took a photograph. Ask me Racism is what happened to Anthony Walker in Liverpool or even Jacob MIchael in Cheshire. I’ve never understood people getting arsey over the Park song, its no different from Turks singing Scott Carson likes battered snicker bars in his home country.
But hey, if you feel that strongly about man’s best friend you should read this before ranting. The Koreans love a bit of Doggy Style.
http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2009/08/dog-its-whats-for-dinner.html
“Welcome to Hell? It could feasibly be more like Hull.” Quality.
Paul Parker no mate you’re wrong and stop lumping South Korea in with other countries,if you think singing about Park eating dog because he’s Korean isn’t racist then you’re fucked up.I’ve just read the song back to 4 people and none of them can believe people don’t think it’s racist,
kanchelskis – Oh god yes mate. mentioned that one in my post last night. They clearly dont as the goals havent been as forthcoming of late.
Sparz – Can’t see Bellamy starting pal. Three games in six days. His knees aren’t up for that.
wayne – Hello mate. Heard Park been interviewed and he loves the chant.
Paul Parker – Hey up fella. Spot on.
Paul Parker – Where ARE you from mate? Just out of curiosity.
Looking forward to Geordies away tonight for the stiffs.
What other chants do u find offensive Wayne, maybe the one with giggs tearing people apart which he doesn’t literally do, but because he doesn’t tear them apart literally do u find it offensive
wikipedia says Paul Parker is from West Ham, London.
@King Eric
No chance Bellamy will start IMO. They’ll change their game plan, and maybe have Gerrard wide to put quality balls in to Carroll, who will be trying to bully our CBs. I fancy Smalling to keep him quiet.
Think a bit of a fuss is being made over the Park chant. I think it mocks people’s attitudes towards places like Korea, rather than actually mocking the country or the culture. If we were singing about Evra eating frog’s legs, nobody would mind. It’s more about sending up the ignorant stereotypical image than the player or their culture. If Parky loves it, that’s good enough for me.
LOL Costas.
King Eric i’d like to read that interview could you send me the link,thanks
just Googled Park liking the chant about him eating dogs,nothing comes up anyone know were i can read that i’d love the link
Songs are a proper legacy of the fans. Agree there are distasteful songs and some you just cringe at when kids are listening. Most current United songs are harmless enough but I won’t sing the wenger ones and think they should go.
But the effort should be on positive songs. It has been noted that Phil Jones needs better. Some of the lads have been talking about the song Dr. Jones from Aqua. Tidy song, decent chorus.
Modified for our Lad:
Mr Jones: (tune by Aqua)
MrJones MrJones Calling MrJones
MrJones MrJones GetIn Now (repeat)
Ah-yippie-yi-yu
Ah-yippie-yi-yeah
Ah-yippie-yi-yu-ah (repeat)
the chorus starts about 1:05 on this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmTaXHB6yyk
@wayne – guess im fucked up then as I don’t see anything racist in the Park song, and as KE pointed out he’s been asked about it before and he finds it funny. No skin off my nose either way.
@KE – hows it going mate? Im from Ingerlund alright, born and raised. Been up and down the land more than once for various reasons but beyond that its a very long story Pal!
@King Eric – Yeah I was thinking that myself last night, he played virtually the full 90. Wouldn’t be too sure though, this is a massive game, and I can see Dalglish telling Bellamy to have a go at us for an hour. Hope you’re right though, and they play Carroll instead.
if it offended park, he, the players, the manager and korea wouldve said something.
eating dogs is seen as an insult in asia, you feed them to the person you hate, for bad luck.
also wayne are you park or from korea?
SAF for an honourary Doctor of Science (DSc) degree for his services to football (and may I add for his services to humanity as well because he has brought so much joy to many lives, homes and nations!) by the University of Ulster, Northern Ireland . Sorry if this has been posted earlier.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16740195
Doctor Jones by Aqua is a terrible song fletch!
As for Bellamy? He’ll start against United. He and Gerrard are the only threats they have. No way Carroll will start up top on his own.
There’s a need to distinguish race from religion and from culture.
Wayne wayne where ever you maybe
you it beef in your own country
it could be worse
you could be accused of being a racist for singing a factual silly little song aimed at the scousers.
wayne
Whilst you and I hardly disagree, however on this matter we may have to and fair enough. Like Paul Parker mentioned, dog meat is indeed a delicacy in some Asian countries, both Korea’s included. Prior to the world cup finals in 2002 the South Korean govt shut down all dog meat serving restaurants that were on the main streets as a sign of sensitivity towards fans travelling in from western countries.
What people eat is a matter of taste and calling them on it is by no means a racist remark and you know how I personally feel on the issue. As I said, where I come from we eat raw lamb, not just the meat but the whole frigging thing, i.e. liver, kidneys, heart etc. If anyone make reference to this fact I in no way will be offended.
In other parts of the world people eat crickets, rats and snakes and not only out of necessity.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16740195
Doctor Sir Alex Ferguson! Well done boss.
Evening all… Wayne, the Internet isn’t the final word on everything mate. Just because something doesn’t pop up on google doesn’t mean it isn’t so?? Get out and meet people and find some knowledge from the horses mouth so to speak. There is a world outside of google. Have you been to Old Trafford on match day? A lot of our players get sent up. I’m pretty sure you’re disgusted by Vidic’s song?? It’s a send up of a stereotype that some people have used in an endearing manner, it doesn’t mean people think it’s true? I’m pretty sure (well I don’t anyway) that we don’t REALLY think Nemanya will fucking murder yer just because he’s from Serbia? It just rhymes! There is also an interview with Vidic saying he doesn’t mind the song, google it.
Can’t wait for the game! If we’ve got our head on we’re gonna fucking destroy the cunts!!
Willie
That is some honor, what will we refer to him once he becomes a lord?
Mike
Evening pal, as I mentioned before, sadly I do not get live cup games here, only league and European games but like you I am really looking forward to it. My only source will be live score updates from the net as well as texts from ahem ahem friends!
Cedars
Ahhh lamb?! I thought you said you raw lamp?? Like Brick in Anchorman…. I love lamp! How ya doing Marro?
In South Korea a very small percentage of people eat dog which just adds to the racism and ignorance of the chant
I’m prepared to bet Park has never eaten dog in his life and imo its a disgusting chant
Cedars
Ahem ahem, u can rely on us! I was praying to god I didn’t have to send u a final txt saying 3-3!!!!
Doing great Monkey
We even have raw lamb for breakfast along with a few shots of Arak, if you cannot handle both then you are labelled a pussy here! ha ha
Cedars – Lord Fergie? Another thing to piss the dippers off!
Ive eat a hot dog.
More Parks songs?
http://terracechants.me.uk/chant/2672
why are you guys all still talking about whether koreans eat dog meat or not? seriously who cares?
what time will the press conference be tmr?
wayne
My ex brother in law traveled several times to South Korea on business and he told me that some of the finest restaurants there serve dog meat. Whether or not Park has had it is another matter but I cannot see where the race issue is.
In France they eat horse meat as well as frog legs (I love frog legs by the way), in the Gulf they eat camel meat.
I really do not see what the issue here is to be honest.
There are long threads on Korean forums discussing references to dogs in football stadiums.
On these forums, what it is considered particularly racist and aggravating are the loud barks of “Woof” that follow Korean stars in Europe, and especially Britain. Also angrily mentioned frequently are the chants, such as Park’s. The forum members consider it racist.
I find that racism is worse when it is intended to be racist, but even accidental racism hurts.
That said, we have recently seen how the term ‘negrito’ can be friendly, or it can be racist.
It depends on intent, context, and other factors.
I doubt that Park is offended. He knows it’s good-natured, and typical of fans.
He might be offended. He might find it racist. I cannot find proof one way or the other.
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wayne and Paul Parker
You two have had this conversation on RoM before, a couple of years ago.
I guess that as you didn’t changed each others mind then, the status quo will remain.
Dependable, steadfast, resolute; not stubborn but almost!
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ricky and Keanosdaman
Are you aware that wayne openly told us that he found the chant offensive? Of course you are.
Why then deliberately chant it at him?
You want to offend him. I don’t like it. Why can’t you be a man, speak your truth and live with it?
Don’t aim to offend wayne, aim to express YOUR view, without immediately rehashing the very
chant that he is unhappy about.
I to will be watching the stiffs ,it should be a good game. I am like a dog with a bone .Come on you red shirted hero’s.
Wayne
How about we change it to…. “Park Park wherever you may be, a small percentage of people eat dog in your own country, whilst we don’t assume that you partake scousers eat rats on their council estates!” That could work?
Mike
I was dreading that ‘next’ text telling me it was 3-3!
Willie
Lord Doctor Sir Alex or Sir Alex, Doctor & Lord or simply King Alex?
Nemanya woooooaaa…. Nemanya woooooaaa.. He comes from Serbia, he’ll fuckin give you one hell of a hard game..Nemanya woooooaaa!
Ivory Coast have just kicked off. Hope they don’t pick up too many injuries!!
ex Wiki
South Korean Food Sanitary Law (식품위생법) does not include dog meat as a legal food ingredient. Also, dog meat has been categorized as ‘repugnant food’ (혐오식품) based on a regulation issued by Seoul Metropolitan Government, of which using as food ingredient is not permitted.
However, the laws are not strictly enforced. Opponents of dog meat consumption in South Korea are critical of practices that are claimed to improve the flavour of dog meat in Korean tradition, such as beating and hanging.
The restaurants that sell dog meat do so, often exclusively, at the risk losing their restaurant licenses. A case of a dog meat wholesaler who was convicted of selling dog meat arose in 1997. However, an appeals court acquitted the dog meat wholesaler, ruling that dogs were socially accepted as food.
In North Korea, in early 2010 the government included dog meat in its new list of one hundred fixed prices, setting a fixed price of 500 won per kilogram.
Mike
Keep us posted on scores, I am a closet Burkina Faso fan! ha ha
samuel – Just went on the football fix site and found a rather shitty article about Scholesy pal. All this no money for a new midfielder line as well and stunting Pogba thats why we have brought Scholes back. Who is available Samuel? Surprised by it to be honest.
wayne – Err no I couldnt send it because I have absolutely no idea where to look for it pal! It was an interview or discussion about which songs the players like. It seems you think I have made it up. I can assure you I haven’t.
Disclaimer
As far as I am aware, Nemanya Vidic has NEVER murdered anyone!
Read somewhere that wee Thomas is back in training, anyone heard anything on this?
cedarsdevil
ya tom is back training and he is actually expected to play in the liverpool game!
1-0 ivory coast. Kalou.
King Eric
Eving pal, listened to any Sacha today. Haha!
The klowns at Klanfied will be right full of themselves and a bit complacent after beating Citeh. I think we catch them at a good time. It’s on Bitches.
So Doctor Ferguson is it. Has a nice ring to it if you ask me.
Perhaps now he his a Doctor come Saturday, we’ll have everyone as fit as a butchers dog.
Well he is supremely great however not sure if he his a miracle worker.
However he has pulled of some amazing feats in his time and he will be right up for putting one over on the Quitter and his Title Contending Team come matchday.
He really is the man with so many names I think his title should be, Sir Alex – The Godfather – The Boss – King of the Realm – Conquerer of All – Warlord – Destroyer – Ferguson.
The line up will be made and he will throw a few curveballs as to who is fit and who isn’t. Some will be happy with this others won’t naturally but in Sir Alex we trust to lead us into the infernal cesspit towards further glory and like henchmen we will burst our passion throughout the event showing why we are always amongst the Pantheon of Greats.
No chance he’ll play at Liverpool. Light training, doesn’t mean he’s ready to play.
lebomanc
So its true then, excellent news thanks. You think he will start or even be in the squad? I tried to look for news on the issue but found nothing
MikeKelly – Ha. Sachu or Sasha? Yeah got my old club tapes out, necked some e’s and went raving!!!!
Cedars – Hey up mate. Hope you saw the post yesterday explaining why I didnt text you back. Got my work bill and it was 118 quid so a text to the Lebanon wouldnt go down well. As I say hope you saw my post. Don’t want you thinking I was being rude mate.
Will keane is going to be some player. Coming along nicely.
In your Liverpool slums,
You look in the dustbin for something to eat,
You find a dead rat and you think it’s a treat,
In your Liverpool slums
@ Mike 18.51
Nice!
slim – Now then mate. I love Keane. Not the quickest player but great ability, great touch and vision and one lethal striker. A good lad too. Going home to watch it now . laters lads.
King Eric
I did see it pal and no worries my friend, I know you too well….Will never think ill of you
King Eric
I forgot about Digweed yeasterday, Sasha and Digweed went together like Tom and Jerry!! Haha, cedars ramping up our bills. Mine was double this month, I’ll have to start charging you Cedars for subscription to my instant score service haha!
King Eric err no didn’t say you made it up normally someone says something In a interview it can be found I can’t find it
Smartalex thanks mate that’s my whole fucking point South Koreans or very few of them eat dog so the chant is ignorant and racist seems like some lads want to throw 4 or 5 countries in the mix and assume dog is a delicacy in every country
Work with loads of scousers and one of the was telling me he still can’t see why Suarez is banned. Blames Evra.
Shows how they think, should be a tasty occasion but really looking forward to going to OT for the league game. Expecting best atmosphere at OT for a while!
wayne it was only a joke mate. didnt mean to offend you … still thinking are you park and why you so negative for?
Got to be very careful with Tom. We don’t want to repeat the same mistakes. If he’s back in training, he still has some way to go. He might still be training on his own for all we know. Maybe a Reserves game will be his first game back. Hopefully at some point in February.
Of 2012 I mean…
Eh up Willie, how goes it pal?
Monkey
Not getting cheap on my ass now are you? haha Send me the frigging bill!
wayne – You may be interested in this forum on “Woof” being chanted in Scotland, which coincidentally is the land of (half of) my forefathers. There are good links to sites in Korean, that must be put through google translate or similar. Some references are made to Evra’s chant.
http://koreansentry.19.forumer.com/a/two-korean-football-players-victims-of-scottish-fan-racism_post3435.html
Mike – It goes slightly to the left mate on windy days!
You should try singing that version at OT? See what the natives think of it lol.
This is a fucking great article gives me goosebumps thinking about the game on Saturday. Fucking love playing them self loathing, self pitty, thieving bastards.
Justice for Evra
He is 12 inch all over is our Willie! ha ha
In your Liverpool slums,
You shit on the carpet, you piss in the bath,
You finger your grandma, and think its a laugh,
In your Liverpool slums.
Guys , seeing some great news posted on United Youth about our game now against newcastle .
Fletcher was putting them thru thier paces earlier before the game.
Tunnicliff offered a 3 year deal at United.
And get this being tweeted by micah shitty:
let’s count how much man u have spend over the last 10 years
Why does everybody all of a sudden hate man city! What have we done so bad???
@Wayne
Mate vidic comes from Serbia and I presume he has never murdered anyone its just football terrace banter mate.
I love the other park song;
There are 10 alsations walking down the
street and if ji sung park should fancy one to eat there will be 9 alsations walking down the street…..(carries on to no alsations).
No way is that racist and if it was deemed as such we would get a letter from saf advising of so.
I cringe more for Giggs when we sing he shags who he wants. He must be mortified.
I bloody wish Cedars!
Giggs12
Hi pal, justice for Evra? Send over here, I know certain places in the South where they will take ‘proper’ care of the racist cunt
Manchester United Res vs. Newcastle United Res
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=143789&part=sports
I think it’s half time, not sure yet!
Giggs12 – Hello mate? He didn’t say nowt about Vidic’s song. Just the Park one. Mike came up with a different version, that could yet find it’s way into the stands lol.
‘Send Suarez over here’ Fucking typos
Ricky not been negative mate read smartalex post 19.09 in South Korea dog meat is considered repugnant so why do our own fans have a chant that involves Park eating dog meat its offensive and disgusting mate
Willie
Are we talking gale force winds?! My strike that chorus up for his comeback game!
Cedars
Haha.. Nothing cheap about me fella, apart from my women ?!! It’s alwYs a pleasure keeping in touch Marro, worth every penny!
KE
yeah, not a quick player but i reckon he won’t need it. wonderful control and an eye for goal. Like Hernandez but more to his game. Still a bit slight but nothing a bucket loads of pasta and beans won’t sort out. Come to think of it any one looking to add a bit of flesh to the bones should pick up Yakubu’s diet. Fuck me, he’s a tubby one that fella.
Giggs12
You sit at the East Stand, so the term ‘sing’ seems bizarre pal.
United Res 1:0 Newcastle Res
Half Time – Great goal by Will Keane
Willie
I know mate I was using the Vida song as an example of it just bring terrace banter.
It’s a great song we sing in humour for our love of park no way should it be taken out of context.
No chance Mou’s our next manager. Too many youth team players looking to make the step up in the very near future. He could still end up here but i reckon the manager wants to see these lads in the first team. Maybe these guys’ll get a run out while the boss is still around. No doubt the gaffer’s got some vitality spring he bathes in somewhere in the Himalayan mountains. Fingers crossed the right conditions come to pass and we see these guys come through
smartalex – Your post at 19.45 has me fuming! No more please. Liverpool is not a slum city. they’re a carefree and terrific sense of humour people. Furthermore, they don’t eat rats! That is hurtful slander on your part. Yous faithfully, Luis Suarez.
hmm.. @ Wayne, no offence but give it a rest already. enough said on that topic and you’ve made your point ffs!
Monkey – hahaha, only your women eh? Right back at you my friend in terms of what its worth
Giggs12 – Enough with that myth about ‘songs’ coming out from the East Stand pal, you’re fooling no one here
@ Luis Suarez – perhaps this is more to your liking:
In your Liverpool slums,
You speak in an accent exceedingly rare,
You wear a pink tracksuit and have curly hair,
In your Liverpool slums.
Cedars
Haha nice mate I’m not rising to it today as all my focus is them bin dipping twats.
Who can rob your houses, who can rob your houses
Violate your nan, violate your nan
Sell cocaine from their ice cream van
The scouse cunts can
Pogba off at half time , it looks like he will be in the squad for Saturday , still 1-0 Keene
United 2:0 newcastle
There’s a racist in the town, in the town
And were gonna track him down, track him down
Were gonna hang Suarez from upon the highest tree
So all the scouse bastards can see.
2-0 Norwood/ goal keeper blunder
Loving all these scouse chants…. Triffic!
Giggs12 – I can only try, seems like my ‘come here fishy fishy’ did not work tonight! haha
The boy Keane looks a prospect? Hope he’s got his head screwed on….
By the way Pogba showed some loverly touches in the first half , you sometimes forget how old he is .
There’s only two Keanos!
Giggs12
Alright pal. I made the same comment regarding Vida earlier. You good pal? Where u watching it Saturday?
smartalex
Is Will Keane Irish or English? Sadly I have no access to the reserves or youth set up anymore….
Hope you are well my good friend
What a goal 3-0 David Patuci
Incredible goal from Petrucci! 3:0 to United!
CedarsDevil
Irish origins, but representing England. Well, hoping to anyway
slim – Thanks
Damn, I feel envious of you lot watching this match. I need MUTV back!
CedarsDevil – Will and Michael Keane were born in Stockport, so English (near enough!)
I’m fine, thanks! How are you doing?
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Some enchanted evening …
In your Liverpool slums,
Your mum’s on the game and your dad’s in the nick,
You can’t get a job ‘cos you’re too fuckin’ thick,
In your Liverpool slums.
four nil to United!
smartalex
Michael Keane? His brother I assume and is he also a footballer? I am so out of touch its depressing.
I am doing great my friend, thanks
Off topic but Harry Redknapp eh? He writes like a 2 year old! Sounds like he’s over qualified for a Sun journalist!
Mike
How’s it going mate, just going to watch at home pal as out in manc from 5 for a mates 30th so not boozing for the game. Plus still working on a ticket.
Cedars
It almost worked mate I was replying on how wank van pervical was but changed my mind
Evening All.
Interesting points coming out between wayne and Paul Parker.
Interesting because both have demonstrated their views on racism previously, both are clearly not racist and abhor those who are.
Yet, somehow, two people who essentially share the same opinions regarding racism are at odds over the Park chant.
Perhaps the only way to truly judge the right or wrong aspects is to ask Koreans themselves if they find it insulting and/or racist.
As individuals, they way we choose to hear things is all important.
Interpretation of words can bring up many many differing views.
Religious scriptures whether from the Bible or Quran are clear for all to see, yet the way man chooses to interpret them leads to huge differences and conflict.
Personally, i laugh at the chant but have always been a little uncomfortable with it.
If Park or Koreans in general found it hurtful, i’d be horrified and wouldn’t do it.
Fuck me Harry’s never written a letter before. haha 2 year old indeed
Hopefully United can retain the FA Youth Cup with the form they’re in.
5-0
From Chorlton to Clarendon Road we may have crossed paths, we certainly have a common passion and love. He writes with wisdom and when needed with wit…..
He will know himself when he reads this
The Park song will continue to be sung at United games. Especially when he’s playing. If you don’t like close your ears!
We’ve got the keano brothers, and now the “goodfellas” from italy combining. Future is bright, bright fucking Red it is
CedarsDevil -They are twins mate
Evans I was responding to a question so maybe you should mind your own fucking business ffs
David petrucci always impresses. I wonder how close he must be to the first team, he can also be that creative midfielder we’ve needed.
CedarsDevil – ex manutd .com
Michael Keane, twin brother of young United striker Will, is a defender who has made great strides at the club.
Michael, a full-back, did not appear for United’s Under-18s in 2009/10, but he did make his debut for the Reserves against Wigan in April 2010. Quite small in stature for his age, the progress made after he caught up in terms of physical development has been very impressive as he became a key figure in the successful FA Youth Cup-winning team of 2011.
Graduation into Warren Joyce’s Reserves followed and he slotted in effortlessly either at the heart of the defence or full-back, earning praise from his coach for his consistent endeavour on the training field. As a result, Keane, who has represented Republic of Ireland at youth levels, was rewarded with a first-team debut during the Carling Cup win at Aldershot.
Park song is factually correct. They do eat meat in south korea whether its legally repugnant or nor. What percentage of ppl eat it, love it, hate it or fry it is irrelevant. The fact is in south korea, ppl there eat dog meat. Not exactly racist is it
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] – noun 1. hatred of or prejudice against another race – Related Forms an·ti·ra·cism – noun an·ti·ra·cist – noun, adjective
It’s 6
Six Nil, and that will be that.
dazbomber
Thanks for that, just goes to show how out of touch I have become!
no morrison in the reserves squad again. He’s a gonner.
Lodi3000
racism: noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
Samuel – United WE Stand
David petrucci is very impressive , he is such a classy player lots of nice touches and he scores a fare few to.
Will Keanes shit!! Blocked Berbas hat trick bound equaliser on the line against Blackburn!!!
Morrison’s a gooner? Thought he was United….
smartalex
Better definition that the Park song isn’t racist
I was actually joking about young Will by the way before I get lynched! The lad is top draw!
Is South Korea a race?
petrucci is absolutely class.
only problem where to play him in first team? always off the striker like rooney.
can’t see him in a 442
People taking part in the London Marathon where shnide vests… And they’re nowhere near as important as people running the 100m at the olympics. Does this comment make me a racist??
btw. it’s said that Tunnicliffe got offered a 3 year deal.
So proud of the lad. Imo exactly what we need in midfield.
Dazbomber – i noticed that mate. Petrucci has had a couple of injuries but looks like he’s recovered. As you say, classy and creative and also scores, all characteristics we require from a midfielder. Maybe he’ll get called into the first team sooner rather than later if he carries on consistently…
The Goats here in spirit anyway.
Great result for the Reserves in northern league play.
MUFCReserves (6) vs NCFC (0) at MossLane. Game just finished.
Only tuned in at the half when the lads were already 1 up.
But 5 second half goals sent us on our way.
Second half included a farcical OG from Newcastles Soderberg, but then some quality ball movement and excellent goals from Petrucci Keane Massacci and Petrucci again.
Reserves have 7 clean sheets on the trot. They stand 2nd in table and 3 points back of Sunderland. Looking good to overhaul Sunderland since the lads have 3 games in hand.
Well done to the Reserves. Another clean sheet!
mikekelly
South koreans are a race defined as a group of people related by a common descent or language.
Zelh – it shows a remarkable difference in attitudes between some of United’s youth players. Ryan tunnicliffe signs his new deal without any aggro, has got his head locked down and is working hard on loan to gain first team experience. This what fans like to see, not spoilt brats that turn up for training.
Mike
You have changed you racist animal
hello every one,w kean is great prospect,surley fergie will loan him next term,he will be back stronger and fight for first team place,i was furious when hargreves joined shity and the declaration he made about our medical staff,but maybe we have a problem,maybe in our physiqual prepartion or medical staff,the amount of injured player we have every season is incredible,saha&hargo don t suffer from many injuries since they left us! cleverly played 2 season at watford&wigan and stayed injury free,played more than 30 match a season,
carrick carrick wherever you may be,
You eat beef in your home country
Could be worse, you could be scouse
Eating rats in your council house
Reports are – apparently – Ravel not turned up for training either.
If true, he’s probably history.
Sick tbh, what a waste.
Cedars, hello mate.
James21 not around tonight?
Cracking performance from the reserves, with some of the loanees back it gives us a bit of cover for the first team.
Roll on Saturday, Evra leading them out!
C’mon!!
Tunni signs a three year deal is absolutely class and your right Samuel it does show a remarkable difference in attitudes.
dunno about ravel.
heard different story. according to paddy crerand he’s with the 1st team going to liverpool.
The Lebanese are a race, we race for everything here and if we do not like you we kill you.
Up the Cedars
surely the racist is the person who believes that by stating that south koreans eat dog meat is offensive but someone singing bout an englishman eating beef isn’t offensive? So by that measure anyone who found my carrick song inoffensive but finds the park song offensive is a racist??
Giggs Giggs where ever you may be
Your sleep with who ever you can in your own country.
It could be worse you could be scouse
And violate your nan in your council house
It’s in my blood
Hiya pal, the mere sight of Evra leading out the lads should be worth while… Although I will only see it the next day via highlights.
Have not seen James around today
zelh
Hope you’re right!
When did PC say that?
Cedars
Haha stop it mate I’m pissing myself
Giggs12 – exactly Mate. morrison is flushing his career down the drain, i honestly don’t know what’s going on with him, maybe he has a good excuse for not turning up for training but if he’s just not coming in for the sake of not coming in then maybe he’ll be off to the geordie’s faster than we can imagine. Hopefully not, he came through United’s youth system and we all sincerely want the guy to be a star at united.
Not seeing the Tunni story anywhere lads, is it confirmed yet?
Cedars – You’re right! Up the RedNuts!
Mike
Where you watching the game Saturday mate
If he’s flushing, he probably has the shits Samuel!
Anyone here hoping for evra banging in a hat-trick on saturday at anfield? oh well i’m just dreaming.
Samuel
Mate its soul destroying isn’t it, you have to question his family and friends. United have really looked after him and in all honesty it could have been very different. I just don’t understand it mate i really don’t.
I am glad Fergie went public as you know its serious then as that is always the last resort.
Can I have a song please?
In my life time so far I have had fish, chicken, kangaroo, deer, buffalo, beef, ostrich, springbok, lamb and goat meat.
Thanks
Willie – morrison probably doesn’t know the difference between his career and having a Shit mate.
Lodi3000
Would you agree that vegans abhor the eating of meat?
Do meat-eaters view eating cow as equivalent in any way to eating dog?
Your substitution of ‘beef’ for ‘dogs’ implies that they do.
neither is the tunnicliffe story confirmed nor the morrison one. But both from reliable people. specially the one about tunni
Giggs12 – i just don’t get how difficult it is for a player from our youth to sign a new deal, it’s really baffling. Maybe he thinks Barca will pick him up or something. Yeah hopefully Fergie coming out with it might knock some sense into him in terms of making the best choice.
MOrrison in the squad for Anfield? Don’t know. Maybe if Jim Morrison rises from his grave…
Morrison could yet sign on for United. We should hold off making any judgment on the lad till all this bs is sorted. Good news on Tunni if true. Hope Danny inks his new deal next week too.
Samuel
Mate never have we heard of unproven youth at united making all this noise making demands. Like Fergie says get it right on the pitch and the money will come to you.
Cedars cedars wherever you may be
you’ve eaten more types of meat than a menagerie,
It could be worse, it could be goat,
Ramming racist remarks down your fucking throat!!
Come on over to the other side Costas!
Willie
Mate I think Samuel and I both of thr same opinion that we would love to see Morrison sign.
The statement was more concerning Tunni who is unassuming in trying to forge a career for himself. He let’s his football do his talking and works hard. Ravel loves to talk on Twitter and believing his own hype. Let’s hope he learns. He has the right pros around him.
@willie
I am still too young for that mate, but our medical team will send me there sooner rather than later.
Giggs12
Gotta help my mate shift some furniture in the AM so will probably dive in a boozer in Sale before cracking on with the grafting.
Mike
hahaha, that was triffic!
smartalex
I would not agree that vegans abhor the eating of meat, as i know both vegetarians and vegans who while they make the choice to live that lifestyle, don’t make judgement on ppl that do. In that sense, although they choose to not eat meat, fish, wear leather products etc, the actual act of eaing meat is not abhorrent to them.
And hopefully you will understand you have further making my point regarding beef and dog. The fact that ppl would choose to believe that eating beef is acceptable, but eating dog isn’t could be considered a racist view. The only problem with this would be that the view that eating dog isn’t right isn’t to do with the fact that another race is eating the meat, its to do with the domestication of dogs as pets. Dog meat is as acceptable a meat form as beef, however due to the fact that dogs are not a prime meat source, and dogs have now been accepted as household pets, the thought of chomping down on one isn’t so appealing.
Hwever, in the same way i wouldn’t like to generalise what vegans feel like regards eating meat, i wouldn’t like to say how all meat eaters feel about eating beef/dog
Viv Anderson said:
“Patrice should definitely play, 100 per cent. There will be a backlash, but he did nothing wrong, so why should he not play? He is experienced enough and old enough to deal with it. It won’t be the first time he’s been verbally attacked.”
“If you cannot deal with it then you are never going to make a career for yourself. Patrice is at Manchester United playing in the Premier League and is a French international. He has proved he is able to stand up to all the outside pressures that have been heaped on him as he’s built his career.”
“It is not right you have to put up with racial abuse, but I am sure it has happened to him in the past. I don’t think playing at Anfield after what has gone on will bother him. There will always be something else around the corner. If you keep worrying about something then you will fold and disappear.”
Racists? Here are the real ones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bV6QXGKl8o
Is this fucking site for real? Really, the Park song Racist? I’m absolutely gobsmacked to hear that Wayne has even mentioned it as a racist song. Is it also racist to assume Pakistani, Indians and Bangladeshi’s eat Curry or food that you get in all the resteraunts over here. Shit maybe I’ll order Egg and chips next time in fear of offending the waiters and owners of the local curry house.
Thank god we don’t have a Cambodian or Vietnamese player and sing about eating crickets and locusts in their own country. ffs its not saying that they only eat Dog or cat or bloody Chicken for that matter. Does Park not speak English? Would he not have said something if he was offended?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2038633/Park-Ji-sung-Manchester-Unioteds-Korean-cash-machine.html
We’ll change Dogs to Frogs just to keep Wayne happy, I knew I’d read this somewhere.
Lodi3000
The term “vegan” was coined in England in 1944 by Donald Watson, co-founder of the British Vegan Society, to mean “non-dairy vegetarian”; the society also opposed the use of eggs as food. In 1951 the society clarified the definition of “veganism” to mean “the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals”
I have LIVED with vegans for most of my life. They all abhor the eating of meat.
It is “exploiting animals”, and goes against all they stand for.
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As for the views of meat eaters, they are quite different.
A small number of them view eating dog as equivalent to eating cow, the vast majority do not.
Further,
- South Korean Food Sanitary Law does not include dog meat as a legal food ingredient.
- South Korea has categorized dog meat as ‘repugnant food’
- Using as dog as a food ingredient is not permitted.
They don’t see eating dog as the same as eating cow.
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It is disingenuous to say:
“Dog meat is as acceptable a meat form as beef, however due to the fact that dogs are not a prime meat source, and dogs have now been accepted as household pets”
Human consumption of dog meat has been recorded in China, ancient Mexico, and ancient Rome. Dog meat is consumed in Switzerland, China, Vietnam, the Philippines, and Korea.
Human consumption of cow meat has been recorded in every civilization worthy of the name.
Not just a few hot-spots borne of necessity or dementia.
It is not true to say “Dog meat is as acceptable a meat form as beef”
I eat my finger nails when I am bored (sadly cannot reach my toe nails) however if anyone calls me on it I will consider it a racist remark
Lodi3000
You say:
“The fact that ppl would choose to believe that eating beef is acceptable, but eating dog isn’t could be considered a racist view”
No, it is a dietary consideration, and we all eat.
It is not racist to enjoy a tasty dog, neither is it racist to not enjoy it.
Cedars wherever you may be you eat Lamb and thats a fact.
Could be worse you could be from Leeds
where they’d rather use one for a sexual act.
The Ji Sung Park song is not racist.
Evening James, ROM went a little rasist ridiculous earlier, think it’s settling down now! Must have been all the dipper talk!
James
LUFCwhite and Moses may take offense at that song and consider it racist. Leeds fans only shag sheep for pleasure
Demba Ba is coming home! Fantasy points ahoy!
Arsenal sign another vacuous old cunt http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/26/article-2092265-11794E9B000005DC-724_636x437.jpg
Smartalex
When you say ‘they’ don’t see eaing dog the same as eating beef, can i assume that by ‘they’ you are generalising that all south koreans don’t see it can way? Or would you concede that just because the legal system views meat in that way, that not all south koreans see it that way? And please, if you will quote me parts of wikipedia, please be fair enogh to quote the parts that support the facts some south koreans do eat do eat dog meat, regardless of the government classification of the met as repugnant.
Could you please alao clarify for me that the swiss, chinese, vietnames, phiillipinese(?), koreans, ancient romans and ancient mexicans only eat/ate meat out of necessity/dementia?
I would say again you have proved my point, by stating the countries mentioned that it is as acceptable to eat dog meat as it is beef in some civilizations.
I would also suggest i was not being disingenuous, as that is my sincere belief.
And although i bow to your vegan knowledge, I can only state because the society associated to vegans in 1951 held those views, i would doubt all vegans feel the same
Cedars
They stop their Munich chants I’ll not call them Sheepshaggers.
M19ke
I’ll be singing the Park song and know full well it aint racist.
‘He shoots he scores he’ll eat your Labradors Ji Sung Park, Ji Sung Park.’
Cedars
I’ve seen a Leeds fan eat a sheep out!
I’ve also seen a Leeds fan take a sheep out to eat…..think it was Baaahhbarito!!
Or pizza express… Can’t remember?!
Mike
You mean sexually?
Mikekelly12@ 21.34
Ha ha, excellent.
Cedars, don’t choke on the goat.
James
Them fucks may stop their hateful chants (unlikely) but the truth remains they are sheep shaggers….
All to their own I suppose
Smartalex
Your comment at 2213
Please read the next part of my comment this pertains to, where i further go to clarify why i don’t believe this is a racist view.
Thank you
Lots of cunning linguists on tonight!
As opposed to cunnilingus, which is a bit of a tongue twister.
It’s in my blood
Evening mate, hope you’re looking forward to some scouse bashing on Saturday.
Cedars
Yeh you’re right about Leeds scum fans.
Cedars
Yeah, went down for gravy and came back up with a scarf and mittens!!
Mike
Hahahaha,,,,,,,,,, Scarf and mittens? Cracked me up ….. Pissing my self
M19ke
You Minger. 
It’s in my blood
Evening pal. Funny cunny cunt chops on here tonight but they ain’t arf racist!
hopa for line up like this against ………
de gea
smaling rio evans evra
scholes
jones anderson
valencia wellbek
berba
amos
rafa
carick
giggs
chicharito
park
young
James
It wasn’t me, The only lamb I like is on me plate with some mint sauce!!
Have had rice in my life time, many times actually. Call me a rice eater and I will report you
I eat pussy, does that make me a cunt?
James21
Hi mate, yes, can’t wait!
Seriously up for this one!
Also pretty serious concerns about who’s fit, yet have a sneaky feeling SAF will surprise us all.
If the real United turn up, it’s on.
God, what i’d do for a ticket.
Cedars
Can’t believe you have to wait for the highlights the next day!
No stream available?
I’d be devastated missing this one.
Willie
A twat of the highest order!!
It’s in my blood
Its a fact my friend, streams are out of the question…. The internet speed was faster in the 19th century!
Good quotes from the Telgraph:
Patty Crerand and Viv Anderson have given thier views on the trip to Anfield
Patty “Patrice will have heard it all before, unfortunately, from other morons.”
But hoping that the fans don’t embarrass the club.
Viv: ”It is not right you have to put up with racial abuse, but I am sure it has happened to him in the past. I don’t think playing at Anfield after what has gone on will bother him. There will always be something else around the corner, and if you keep worrying about something then you will fold and disappear.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9041621/Liverpool-v-Manchester-United-Patrice-Evra-will-be-fine-at-Anfield-says-team-mate-Anderson.html
It’s in my blood
Yes I applied but never got one and so did Giggs12 who was also unsuccessful. Its the Pub or my Mums for me.
Cedars
Me and M19ke will keep you informed.
Trimmed bristle baby! Here pussy pussy!
Cedars
If you’re on Skype i could position the laptop in front of the tv ?!?
Sorry, not Torres, the television.
James/cedars
Indeed we will. Right, off to kip now. Will no doubt be dreaming af dogs, sheep, Korea, Park and scarf and mittens twin sets!! Catch you all later fellas.
Sweet dreams Monkey…..
It’s in my blood
I am on Skype and what a thought!
Laters M19ke you Mutton Muff Diver, or is that Mitten Muff Diver?
It’s in my blood – Position it between Megan Foxes legs!
WRN
Trimmed? Not shaven?
Well I’m in row 18 so should avoid the piss and shit, should any be thrown, thanking fuck I’m busy at work tomorrow, on the piss at night so Saturday arrives as quickly as possible, a result prediction? I haven’t a fucking clue, fun isn’t it
Lodi3000
No.
You may NOT assume “that by ‘they’ I am generalising that all south koreans don’t see it can way”
You may not!
By ‘they’ I am clearly referring to the South Korean Food Sanitary Laws and South Korea.
I will thank you in future to not try to alter my clear statement.
Deal with my words, do not twist them.
Rhetorically I ask:
Do you even know what my view of the chant is?
How do I feel about dogs being eaten?
You can guess, but it seems you don’t know.
Perhaps you need to concentrate a little harder.
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Do not tell me what to quote. I brought the exact information required. The part you suggest I should have added would have been misleading as the isolated figures are not backed with other needed stats for comparison. Also, the figures are “According to the National Assembly of South Korea … and the BBC …” Isolated stats from nowhere. They add nothing to the conversation.
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You stated – “Dog meat is as acceptable a meat form as beef, however due to the fact that dogs are not a prime meat source, and dogs have now been accepted as household pets”
This implies that:
- the cows and the dogs were all for eating
- cows were prime so we accepted the dog into the house, (felt sorry for it)
- so we stopped eating it.
This is far from the truth.
Cows were domesticated for food.
Dogs were domesticated for protection, hunting and companionship.
There is record of man eating cow in nearly every village with a retrievable history.
In a very small percentage of cases, dogs were also eaten.
Why were they eaten?
Surely you can fetch that info for us? Thanks.
Let’s have a look at your research quality.
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I have not stated “the countries mentioned that it is as acceptable to eat dog meat as it is beef in some civilizations”
That’s you with the word-twisting again. It’s not necessary. Let’s just discuss the issue.
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Ask all vegans you meet if their life doctrine is that man should live without exploiting animals.
Get back to me on that.
Like Monkey I am also pissing off to bed, been a great laugh fellas….
Keep it fun and United
Laters
Cedars
Welcome to try it mate!
Let me know, got to be worth a go.
As would between Megan Fox’s legs!
damn you guys are getting anal with this racism topic.
Bed calls.
Night Reds and Keep Utd.
Wow, what have I stumbled in too?
Fuck the vegans! Come on ye Reds!
Mattbw7
Lucky b******!!
What do you mean IF any gets thrown?
I’d like to see odds from Ladbrokes on that!
slim – Yeah, the arsehole of nowhere.
mattbw7 – hello mate!
There’s been some discussion of the Evra chant. Some find it racist, most feel very differently.
I’m not really sure. It seems mildly offensive, and thus quite funny to many folk.
I know that many South Koreans find it racist, but I guess that Park finds it funny.
What Evra chant?
Oh hi smartalex
If anyone has highlights of that 6-0 trouncing of NUReserves, please share! Should’ve checked before I went to sleep, darn.
Wake up Matthew! Are you sleeping? Lol. Park song….
mattbw7 – Sorry!
The Park chant! It was offered with relish, to the dismay of some and the glee of most.
I find it mildly amusing and a little unfortunate, in that it seems to hurt some Koreans.
My view is not really relevant.
Oh cheers Willie, I read Evra not Park, anyhoo, I’m pretty sure that Park by now has a good understanding of what the song says & means and I’m also pretty sure if he was offended by it because of so called racist overtones then word would have filtered through to the fans and it would have died a death. Too many people are getting a little bit precious.
smartalex
Hi mate, didn’t get a chance to say hello earlier, you were unusually preoccupied researching various South Korean laws etc.
Without wishing to prolong this particular subject, i made my POV known earlier and was about to say that despite your excellent research, you hadn’t really voiced an opinion when i spotted your post to matt.
On the scale of things, far more worrying things going on worldwide like which barmpot are the Republicans going to nominate as President!?
But hey, this is about United and our forthcoming visit to the UK headquarters of the KKK.
No doubt thats something that can unite us all!
Bring it on!
Btw, WRN has tried to further ignite the ongoing debate by unashamedly declaring he eats pussy.
No one seems to have worked out if that makes him racist or not!
Smartalex
Before we converse further, I access this site via mobile, so if I don’t address all your queries/responses im order, please accept this is because my ability to refer back to yours and my exchanges is slightly arduous.
I clearly asked you to clarify who you meant by they, based on what you had wrote. You have so thanks. I never did, and never would twist your words, they are clear for everyone to see so this would be futile. However if by asking for this clarification you would think i am twising your words, our shared level of understanding hasn’t yet been established.
I don’t care what your view on the chant is.
Almost as much as i don’t care what your view is on eating dog meat is. It’s irrelevant. You first asked me clarification on a comment i’d made, i answered now and we’ve discussed since. At no point have i said what your views are, asked what your views are, or twisted your words to express wha i believe you views are.
The implication that you retrieve from my comment is your view. However, that is not the only implication that can be drawn from the statement, just your interpretation. The fact that in certain cultures dogs were accepted as pets is not linked to sourcing cows as prime meat. Don’t forget, we are using just two examples of meat source here. I have no need to prove my research quality to you. The fact is dogs have been eaten worldwide for a variety of reasons during different periods of history. A stat i will produce for you though to humour you, from the same article states that 500 tons of dog meat were eaten annually. Thats from the same BBC you quoted.
I know that you never stated that in those civilizations it was acceptable to eat both dog/beef. Those were y words. You gave a list of countries where dog meat was eaten. Proving my point that in some countries it is acceptable. Hardly twisting words. You could of also included canada, new zealand and India in that list, for future reference.
I must say adieu now, i have an appointment with my pillow. But I look forward to your musings with delight
Lordi3000 seems to be thrashing around for a target.
It’s in my blood – The brains are thinking that one over! Lol.
It’s in my blood – Hello buddy! You’re right, I was elsewhere occupied!
Thanks for actually reading my comments, and noticing that i wasn’t judging the chant.
It’s actually a complex issue, and despite the clear feelings on show, I feel that this thread hasn’t even touched on the complexities. Let’s hope it never does. I think that perhaps both sides can see each other’s view, and no progress is likely to be made.
I’m busy, so never meant to get involved in the thread, that’s why I’ve limited my input to a few posts and a little research on a side topic. Keeps me interested without ensnaring me. Well that’s the idea anyway!
Big game at Anfield. Sir Alex is planning our win, and his press-gang-shenanigans for tomorrow’s pre-match conference. Big sleeves he has, there must be a trick or two up there.
WRN
Mate, i confess, i too eat shaven raven.
You seem to prefer trimmed bristle.
Maybe it’s a bit like kosher/halal and not kosher.
Do those that eat dog, prefer shaven or just trimmed?
I suppose we better not ask what colour pussy is preferable, if any.
Nah, lets not go there.
Iced Earth
Rooney and Jones both out injured. Rio stil in doubt. No word on Carrick, so that is a bonus. Nani obviously out as well.
Good news, Clevs and Young both should be OK for Che$ki.
Lodi3000
You seem to be circling your prey, looking for an opening.
There is no soft underbelly here.
Let’s leave it alone, for there’s not much general interest anymore. I don’t think that either of us have much of a valid view yet, so either we address this elsewhere, and adopt a more formal, co-operative research approach; or we move on regardless. Another day perhaps?
Maybe
Lindy
Raph Smalling Evans Evra
Valencia Scholes Ando Park
Berba
Wellbeck
or maybe not!
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/rooney-doubtful-for-massive-anfield-cup-tie-6295317.html?
Rooney doubtful. Nani out too, but the club don’t think he’s broken his toe.
@It’s in my blood.
This convo is seedier than a big juicy water melon! Too right we save it……and keep it for later lol.
WRN
Seedier than a big juicy water melon, haha!
You’re right, another time.
Zebedee has spoken, goodnight all.
rooney is doubtfull,nani out for a month,rio no date return,even a shit team like pool can surprise us with the amount of injuries we have,i never heard before that a team have 11 to 12 of there senior player injured,for sure sir alex will not bring new faces,how we can solve problem like that,hope for victory this week,i think the fa cup is ours this year,maybe the double,if the curse of injuries is over,it will be amazing to win the double
robbo
agree with you the most probable team,exept lindy,i think sir alex,will play de gea in the cup,last time david did well at anfiled
I think that some of you on here really need to educate your self on what the true defenition of being racist really is.
Well done reserves. Beating teams for fun. Some serious talent in that side. No coincidence most of them were in youth cup side. Keane brothers are quality but its so good seeing Petrucci back to his best after his torrid injuries. A fucking class act. That lad is a player.
Hey King Eric! Petrucci played very well. His interview was well handled as well.
He seems very mature.
Here is his goal from last night – 30 second video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a8SqZZYn7U
Fuck me. I think we have exhausted the Park debate. Yawn.
Mike. John Digweed. Saw him and a lad called Ian Ossia many a time. Top drawer.
Ravel in squad for anfield. Ha. Course he is. Sick of hearing about him. I loved Ravel but imo looks like his days are numbered. Aint played a fucking game since about October. Would do well to take a leaf out of Davide Petrucci s book who has worked his arse off to recover from awful injuries. Fucking wake up Ravel.
Richards tweeting. “Why do people dislike city“ erm good question Micah. Shit fans. Shit club. Council house ground. Cringeworthy chants. Arrogant. Nasri. Inflatable bananas. Blue curly wigs. Div paul calf lookalike fans. Think they are a big club. Obsessed with United. Poznan. Suave cunt Manager. Fucking oil money. Half empty ground. One trophy in thirty five year yet think they are Barca. That enough reasons Micah lad? Oh and exceedingly BITTER.
Thanks smartalex, that’s one cracker of a goal!
Smartalex. Hello my friend. Yes great interview. A good lad. Goodnight lads.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Lm55UMHa_dE
Is that Darren Fletcher I see at 0:10? Looks like he keeps himself involved with the Reserves…
Does anybody know anything about Sunderland’s 20yo striker Ryan Noble?? Is he any good?
Morning ROM, here’s an Update on the dribbling striker Youtube sensation United signed as a Nine-Year Old back in 2007.
http://www.englandfootballblog.com/2011/08/22/rhain-davis-of-manchester-united-an-update/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG47FDenyXw << This was the video that caused all the ruckus.
This was the initial report in 2007.
#Manchester United have signed a gifted nine-year-old after his grandfather sent the Premier League champions a DVD showcasing the boy's talents which has become a YouTube sensation.
Rhain Davis, who was born in England but has lived in Australia since the age of four, was hailed by the press on Thursday as the next Wayne Rooney after the United striker.
The boy's dribbling and goalscoring prowess for an Under-10 side in Brisbane, Australia, feature in a four-minute YouTube clip, already viewed more than 800,000 times.
United confirmed the signing but played down the hype around Davis, who has moved back to Cheshire with his father, near the club's training ground.
"He's a member of our academy and we don't comment on individual members," a United spokesman told Reuters.
He added that the club sign about 40 players of Davis's age every year and, as is standard, will decide annually whether to renew his contract or release him.
What was so unusual in Davis's case was that his skills were brought to the attention of United's youth scouts by the DVD submission, which could inspire other hopefuls, the spokesman said.
"We're bracing ourselves for a whole series of DVDs," he added.
Love RoM, funniest thread convo I’ve read in awhile. Getting up early to watch the match on Sat, it’s on at freakin 6:30am here but I’ll be up with my shirt on to watch us whip the rat munchers.
Also, do morons really throw urine and feces at opposition fans in the EPL still?? I don’t even get that as a Vikings fan at Lambeau Field… which is quite similar to being a United fan at Cesspool.
Jc
I was at anfield 2006 and a lad got a cup p shit thrown on him it was vile.
Just read willie’s article on Rooney possibly missing tomorrow’s game. Not the end of the world imo. It’s a good opportunity to rest him. It’s not like he’s been highly influential in Anfield games…
Smartalex
I never for a moment doubted the density of your underbelly. It was never my intention to prove myself right, in the same moment as proving you wrong. You asked of me a query, and the engagement followed and i would hope you took the same satisfaction out of sharing your view as I did.
I would caution people to never jump to a conclusion on the tone in which something is wrote. Unfortunately my partner has this tendency through text and it has gotten us into many arguments. However, just because a question is posed, or a statement made in what could be considered confrontational, remember that both sarcasm and good natured humour are sometimes there hidden in plain view.
Hi ho off to work i go
mattbw7- please don’t ever let my wife know you thought i was tnrashing! There’d be hell to pay for me ha
Can i add to King Erics reasons to dislike Shitty their fucking embarrasing fucking owners with those Queer fucking Scarfs pathetic attempt to look like “fans” Guranteed if you asked them 5 years ago who Manchester City were theyd have looked at you in bemusement! And Eggy head Platt hes also a cunt.
Main problem with this article, it claims evra was racially abused, this simply did not happen, angelic luis is the victim, read this article on another site, now while I do think if paddy wants to play then he should, its the scouse comments section to be toggled at the bottom that make the best reading….
http://thefaithfulmufc.com/2012/01/26/the-evra-bomb-why-pat-should-be-nowhere-near-anfield-this-saturday/
Another reason for disliking City is their delusion plain and simple. Where it’s their fans getting tattoos of players that will never join them or their moronic chairman adding 3 stars on their shirt just because “other European clubs do it”. Someone forgot to tell him that stars actually symbolize trophies.
@Costas
LOL! Googled why do Man Shitty have 3 stars on their shirts the result its “Purely Decorative” LOL! Fucking embarrasing shit it really is hahahha!! Never seen anything more pathetic!!
Lodi3000 – hello mate.
Again I ask you:
“Let’s leave it alone, for there’s not much general interest anymore. I don’t think that either of us have much of a valid view yet, so either we address this elsewhere, and adopt a more formal, co-operative research approach; or we move on regardless. Another day perhaps?”
If you must continue, we can meet on another thread. Your desire to prove yourself right is bordering on the ridiculous. Cow meat is not equal to dog meat. If it’s that important to carry on this ludicrous discussion, reply to me on:
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/rom-reads-169/
Thanks! Meanwhile, let’s rather talk about United.
@gaz
Yeah mate and it gives the shirts a “continental feel”. As far as embarassing stuff in football goes, this tops the list for me. It’s what I’ve always hated about them. They are pretenders. About success they have never achieved and about a fanbase in Manchester that they don’t actually have.
Someone mentioned that United could put 19 stars on our shirts, this we have not earned.
We have only enough League titles to wear 1 star. Should we win our 20th this year, we may put 2 stars on our shirts. Perhaps we will.
@smartalex
That’s true and I believe that’s what Juventus or Milan are doing. There are other instances (in basketball for example) where teams add one star for each European cup they’ve won). If we did that, we could actually match City’s success…I mean amount of stars…
Costas – we mustn’t get above our station. To even imply that our record matches City’s stupendous achievements is silly. They are a European Superpower!
Seriously though, we could wear 3 stars on our CL shirts. Can we wear 1 on our Europa shirt?
smartalex / Costas
Hello good friends…..
Its common knowledge that national teams wear a star on their shirts to resemble the number of times they had won the world cup. I always laugh when England line up v Brazil!
@costas
Maybe dumbass Micah decided to put them there for each moral Premier League title hes won?
i don’t understand why there’s a need for the stars? Common knowledge amongst football fans is that United are more successful than citeh. Surely if a ‘new’ fan saw the star, wondered what it was for and researched it that’d be proper embarassing for citeh? Oh it means nothing! Ridiculous
Costas and gaz – Ha. Nice one lads. The 3 stars is one of the biggest reasons. I forgot that one.
Heed smartalex’s advice and leave that discussion for another blog. Big tomorrow, in case it escaped peoples minds….
FUCK SAKE YOU LOT STILL GOING ON ABOUT DOG MEAT???
ARF!!!
Eggplatt? Get it?
nope dog meat was last referenced 3 hours ago. And the well offered advice has been heeded gladly
It was just a a joke…..
Why did the Akita chase his own tail? He was trying to make ends meat.
Patrice Evra has come a long way from Marsala to Manchester via Monaco
by Louise Taylor:
Patrice Evra retains vivid memories of his first day as a professional footballer. He had just joined Marsala, a Sicilian club in Italy’s third division, and was thrilled beyond all measure to dress in a brand new tracksuit and flip-flops before leaving the hotel for training. He recalls his 17-year-old self gazing at the reflection in the bedroom mirror with a sense of unprecedented pride and unconfined joy. “It was like paradise,” he has said. “To this day, it is the best feeling I’ve had in football.”
The son of a Senegalese diplomat and a Cape Verdean mother, Evra was born in Dakar but moved to Brussels at the age of one when his father was posted to Belgium. Two years later the rapidly expanding family – Evra was one of 25 children – moved to Paris where he would grow up. It should have been a privileged upbringing but two divorces, three marriages and the arrival of a new baby virtually every year ensured Evra Sr struggled to provide for his offspring.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/27/patrice-evra-manchester-united-liverpool
It clear that the people going on about the chant AINT United fans are just looking to stirr trouble. The fact is as any HUMAN knows it ain’t offensive or in any way racist. This is a very popular chant. And if there was any problems with it. It would have been stamped out. Park loves United and the fans. All players know the songs the fans sing and I’m sure Park knows this one.
Now lets get on about the dipper game and how the United Fans going to shitfield are going to get under the noses of the dippers. As we are all aware that the dippers will be loud and ready to give evra a hard time. I really how Our travelling fans have something up there sleeves.
MarkoWire
wayne is a United fan, and is not just looking to stir trouble.
Your rude claim is rejected. Continue in that vein and you will be too.
You’re probably right with your suggestion that if Park had expressed any problems with the chant it would have been stamped out in the UNITED terraces. Of course, it also seems likely that every other terrace in the country would then belt it out whenever we played them.
Not really a win-win.
One could therefore, abstractly claim that by Park grinning, he bears it far less.
Moving on to the more interesting part of your post:
I expect our witty and zealous traveling army will again be powerful.
They are the feather in our cap.
I have a feeling that Pat will be a fan favorite after this game lol
Marko Wire
Wayne is a red mate and a good poster.
Totally agree with your post and I made a simler comment last night that was totally ignored. I also posted a link that Park unknowingly ate Frog.
I’ll carry on singing it anyway and it shows by the comments in favour that the vast majority know it isn’t racist.
It is definitely true that the majority of people don’t find it racist. Some do.
It seems that a lot of South Koreans do.
I believe that my opinion as to whether or not it’s racist, is hardly relevant.
Perhaps their opinion is.
I think the humour derives from the risque nature of the chant, as most chants do.
Whether the humiliation that a distant minority feels is enough to be heard, seems unlikely.
Perhaps it too is irrelevant.
I guess that Park is happy with his chant. I do not know.
If he was unhappy with it, it is unlikely that he would say anything, for fear of alerting rival fans.
It’s a bit late to stop it now.