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Evra: We’ll Always Be Superior To City

Ahead of the international friendly fixtures, Patrice Evra has been asked about the rivalry between United and City.

Evra claims that City winning the title last season doesn’t change the fact that United are superior to them.

“I don’t know if we could talk about rivalry between both Manchester clubs, because we have always been superior to Manchester City,” said Evra. “And even if they won the national title last season, that won’t change anything.”




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39 Comments

  1. ak47 says:

    er well done Pat!! Stating the obvious there a bit aint ya mate? lol.

    Citeh were summed up in one person Garry Cook, – they sacked him – so Carlos Tevez has taken the mantle piece

  2. jigpig says:

    It really is a bit obvious, the $hitty fans I have to work with have been quiet all season, deep down even they know they fluked it last season.

  3. des says:

    city will always be in shadow of the united, no amount of shallow oil money will change that

  4. FletchTHEMAN says:

    Hahaha, Pat ” What rivalry” :lol:

    I think more will be watching Evra’s match tonight then will be watching merry old England.

    France v Italy,
    Holland v Germany,

    Oi, mate, who would call those “friendlies”.
    More like WWII all over again ;)

  5. rory says:

    …and it wont happen again!!

  6. FletchTHEMAN says:

    For those who missed the updates on the Rio thread, the Manchester United plc First Quarter Results have just been published:

    The best news is that the debt has come down 73m since last June:

    http://www.businesswire.com/news/newsnow/20121114005570/en/Manchester-United-plc-2013-Quarter-Results

  7. FletchTHEMAN says:

    The best news is that the debt has come down 73m since last June:
    That said, Glazers still costing us £80M + per year in real money.

    According to Andy Green,

    IF we were a PLC structured as we were pre 2004, cost of ownership would have been £71.3m over the period 2006-2012. That works out to around £10-12m/year.

    As of now, Glazer model has cost the club: £550 (around £78-80m/year) in interest and fees over 7 years.

    Total cost of Glazers ownership will reach 1B in 4 years if they continue to buy back bonds at pre IPO value. But this may be deferred considerably IF bond buy back slows.
    Also, Andy expects that the bonds will be refinanced in 2-3 years and that could lead to a situation were club is only paying £20m/year). Still twice the cost of the PLC.
    Those who are paying attention might still feel this is about right as the club has doubled in value since 2004.

    But few will agree that the cost of 1/2 to 1 B over 10 years should have been levied on the club. How many titles did that rob us of? We will never know, but if United had bought 1 or 2 of the players that ended up going to city, last years result would have been different.

    Where is that G&G scarf? …..

  8. DohaRed says:

    Paddy, absolutely love you mate

  9. Unitedforeva says:

    Love Evra! He said it like it is as some City players and fans are thinking just because they won on goal difference, they are better. United have always been superior to them and not in a hundred years will they even come close. United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>city.

  10. parryheid says:

    Fletch The Man.

    Yeah and that could have been his Red Knights money rather than the Glazers eh.

  11. Proverb says:

    Well said lad
    Just because they beat a weak united side 6-1 and eventually went on to win the league on goal difference, talk up their arse
    Champions are consistent, we know they fluked it
    its no shame to us, that poor year for almost every team was a great opportunity for them and chavs to win something

  12. mattbw7 says:

    Not from Andy green, article from Bloomberg, authors names at end,
    So the IPO is still good for United?

    Manchester United Resisted SEC on IPO Risk for Investors
    By Linda Sandler – Nov 13, 2012 7:01 PM ET

    Manchester United Plc (MANU) team owner Malcolm Glazer is so loathed by fans that some once burned him in effigy. They might hate him even more if they learn how he tried to hide the true state of the soccer club’s finances before its August initial public offering.

    The struggle to keep secret the material risks the storied team faces is detailed in letters between club executives and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission before United’s August IPO. The SEC demanded and got more disclosure about team losses, debt and benefits for Glazer and members of his family.

    What investors and fans weren’t able to see until a month after the team raised $233 million selling shares, was the owners’ behind-the-scenes resistance to disclosing more transparent earnings data, details about Glazer’s debt and what the IPO money was to be used for. The full story of the correspondence, posted on the SEC’s website without fanfare in September, hasn’t been previously reported to investors or fans.

    Fans burn a Malcolm Glazer effigy to show their feelings towards Malcolm Glazer’s renewed bid for Manchester United at Old Trafford in this May 12, 2005 file photo in Manchester, England. Photographer: Matthew Lewis/Getty Images

    “The Glazer names are still toxic amongst hard-core United fans who are well aware of what they’ve done to Manchester United,” said Duncan Drasdo, who runs the 187,000-member Manchester United Supporters Trust fan organization. “Despite more recent purchases over their tenure they’ve created a ticking time bomb of underinvestment in players.”

    Offshore Incorporation

    The SEC-United letters show seven Glazer family members have kept almost total control of the club after the IPO, saddling the team with higher taxes to evade potential shareholder lawsuits by incorporating offshore. The club reported a loss in its first quarterly financial results after the IPO as the team failed to win a trophy either in domestic or European competition in 2012.

    Wayne Rooney of Manchester United scores to make it 1-1 during the Barclays Premier League match between Manchester United and Stoke City at Old Trafford in Manchester, England. Photographer: Michael Regan/Getty Images

    Analysts expect another 2 pence (3 cents) a share of losses when the team reports its latest results today, using the mean of two estimates compiled by Bloomberg.

    The back-and-forth negotiations between the SEC and the team, the world’s most valuable sports brand according to Forbes magazine, are typical of the regulator’s reaction to an initial IPO prospectus that is found wanting in alerting investors to the risks of buying new shares. Facebook Inc. (FB) went through a similar set of forced disclosures in its IPO earlier this year, adding new material about the risks of its growing number of mobile customers, among other things.

    Several Rounds

    “As with every SEC filer, we went through several rounds of SEC comments,” said Phil Townsend, United’s director of communications. “Our interaction with the SEC was very positive, and we look forward to many, many years as a U.S. public company.”

    Townsend disputed Drasdo’s criticism about underinvestment for players, saying the owners have been “totally supportive” of the club’s legendary coach Alex Ferguson.

    “In the last eight years, the club has never finished below second, has won the league four times and is currently top,” he said.

    On the pitch, Manchester’s United’s performance has been a winning one. Post-IPO, United is top of the English F.A. Barclays Premier League, 11 games into this season, with nine wins, two losses and no draws, after its defeat of Aston Villa on Nov. 10. In the UEFA Champions League, goals from Robin van Persie, Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez in the final 10 minutes on Nov. 7 in Portugal gave David Beckham’s former team a 3-1 win against Braga. United has four wins and no losses in its group.

    Reversing Adversity

    “They are the masters of reversing adversity toward the end of the game,” said Manchester native Michael Burawoy, a University of California, Berkeley, sociology professor who says he watches every United match no matter which country he’s in. “They were completely outplayed by Braga until they got a lucky break toward the end of the match.”

    The SEC was less impressed with the way the team laid out its finances in its initial IPO papers. After a review, the SEC made Glazer show the team hid losses with a onetime tax credit and an 80 million-pound sale of player Cristiano Ronaldo, according to correspondence posted on the SEC website Sept. 7. The agency forced Manchester United to disclose how Glazer had repaid 10 million pounds ($16 million) borrowed from the club by extracting the same amount from team coffers as a dividend paid to him.

    Glazer, now 84, is worth $3.6 billion according to Forbes, based on his ownership of United and the U.S. National Football League’s Tampa Bay Buccaneers. United fans burned him in effigy outside the team’s Old Trafford stadium when his stake reached 75 percent in May 2005. Fans complained his debt-financed takeover would hurt the team and force fans to sell United shares. Even after he trimmed debt, United’s 50 million-pound interest bill in the past year equaled capital spending for players, filings show.

    ’Toxic’

    The Glazers took $110 million of the team’s IPO money, using the rest to cut debt to 374 million pounds, according to an Oct. 25 filing. Before the IPO, Glazer family members and affiliates earned 16 million pounds in consulting fees from 2009 to 2011, while extracting the 10 million pounds in 2008 at 5.5 percent interest; one son earned 8 3/8 percent by investing in United notes, filings show.

    “Malcolm Glazer and his descendants have turned Manchester United into a heavily leveraged debt machine,” said Burawoy, who started going to Old Trafford with his father when he was seven or eight, he says. “When United’s run of success on the football field comes to an end, as it surely will, then it will become an economic disaster, but you can be sure the Glazers will bail out beforehand.”

    Nike and GM

    Success on the field and sponsorship deals with companies such as Nike Inc. (NKE) and General Motors Co. (GM) could take United to $17, from $12.98 as of yesterday, Credit Suisse Group AG analyst Michael Senno said in an Oct. 29 report. He is one of at least five analysts with positive recommendations on the stock, at firms that sold the Glazers’ shares to the public.

    “On-field performance is the biggest swing factor” for this year’s results, he said in the report.

    The possible approaching retirement of Ferguson, 70, United’s manager since 1986 who is credited with much of the team’s success, may increase attention on the Glazers’ spending for players.

    “There’s a feeling the team is nearing the end of an era,” said Drasdo, Chief Executive Officer of the fans’ organization. “Anyone who came in would want to bring in his own players.”

    That would require investment in players to rival teams in Madrid and Barcelona, he said. “And if United stops performing well enough to keep themselves in the leagues, they would lose commercial revenues. Companies like Nike and GM pay top dollar only for the top performers.”

    Revenue

    United’s revenue slipped to 320 million pounds in the year ended June 30, from 331 million pounds a year earlier. Yet the club’s visibility — 4.2 billion people watched United games on TV when it reached the European Cup finals in the 2010-2011 season — helped draw Nike as a corporate partner that contributed 33.8 million pounds to United revenue in fiscal 2012. General Motors will pay $70 million or more a season to put Chevrolet on the team’s jerseys starting in 2014, plus smaller amounts before then.

    “Glazer has been quite lucky” in building his wealth from United in recent years, said Andy Green, a U.K. financial analyst who writes a blog on the team, andersred.blogspot.co.uk. “The costs of the team have been high, but the revenue has been high too.”

    Soros Losses

    Soros Fund Management LLC, with 3.1 million shares costing around $43.4 million at the IPO price of $14, is down about 8 percent or about $3.3 million. Billionaire George Soros’s firm won’t comment on the investment, said spokesman Michael Vachon.

    United investors, like Facebook’s, must deal with a so- called overhang as the Glazers’ 147 million remaining United shares start to be eligible for sale about 180 days from the issue of the offering prospectus.

    Independent U.K. research firm PrivCo valued United at $4.97 a share, saying in a September report that even winning teams “don’t make winning investments.”

    Founded in 1878, the team has won 60 trophies and gained 659 million so-called followers worldwide, attracting an average of 49 million viewers for each of its 60 games in the 2010-2011 season, according to its prospectus. United is worth about $2.2 billion, ahead of Real Madrid’s $1.9 billion, according to Forbes.

    By comparison, the New York Yankees baseball team, tied with the Dallas Cowboys NFL team as the most valuable U.S. sports franchise, drew about 5 million viewers for Turner Broadcasting System Inc.’s Oct. 14 telecast of its playoff game against the Detroit Tigers, according to Turner.com. The Yankees’ regional audience on YES Network this year is about 355,000 people a game, the sports network said.

    Acquisition Debt

    Glazer, who expanded his father’s watch business into shopping malls, saddled United with 649 million pounds in acquisition debt in 2005, when television revenue was declining and the team faltering on the field. He later blamed two years of United losses on interest and swap bills, telling the SEC the business was “thriving.”

    About 200 million pounds of loans were paid in fiscal 2011. After scrapping plans for a $1 billion Singapore Stock Exchange offering, Glazer settled for raising $233.3 million through lead underwriter Jefferies Group Inc. (JEF), as some Manchester fans boycotted team sponsors.

    Scant Mention

    Malcolm Glazer’s name appeared just twice in a footnote of a May 3 draft IPO prospectus, although the principal shareholder was disclosed as “the Glazer family, who has a proven track record of creating and developing value in sports brands, including the NFL’s Tampa Bay Buccaneers.” The SEC made them take out the reference to the Buccaneers. The selling shareholder offering stock to the public wasn’t named until the SEC demanded it, nor the “six lineal descendants” who controlled affiliates of Red Football LLC, United’s parent company, the regulator’s website shows.

    United warned investors, “our principal shareholder will be able to exert control over us and our significant corporate decisions.”

    Among SEC questions and demands for disclosure were how many votes the Glazers’ Class B shares, with ten votes to one for A stock, would have for special board resolutions.

    Governance and ControlGlazer’s team was told in a June 15 letter to explain the family’s control of United “so that investors can clearly understand.” United must also reveal names of Glazers who borrowed from the team, how much and if they were officers or directors, it said. Investors must know how Cayman Islands law might prevent a change of control and benefit the Glazers, it said.

    In amended filings through Aug. 3, investors were told these things. The Glazers would have almost a 99 percent vote for special resolutions, and minority shareholders would have limited rights to sue them.

    Along with sons Avram and Joel, executive co-chairmen, Kevin and Bryan also were directors, along with David Gill, chief executive officer, and Edward Woodward, the executive vice chairman, revised filings said. Two more Glazer children have joined the board.

    Multiple Demands

    The SEC had to make two or three demands for some disclosures, including on Cayman law and operating losses. Glazer’s team was summed up in the May 3 draft filing as “a worldwide platform to generate significant revenue from multiple sources, including sponsorship, merchandising, product licensing, new media & mobile, broadcasting and match day,” Broadcasting and match revenue were described as growing consistently.

    United in fact “would have lost money in two of the last three years but for the extraordinary results due to the sale of a player,” the SEC said on June 15.

    When Glazer’s team said it “respectfully submits that the company is thriving,” the SEC said it would have a loss in the latest nine months too, but for an unusual tax credit. United was told to spell out the effects of all such items high up in the filing, which it did.

    Post-IPO, United reported a net loss of 15 million pounds for the June 30 quarter, or 10 pence a share.

    Executive Pay

    The SEC tried and failed to make the team disclose how much individual top executives and directors were paid, as U.S. law requires, because United is governed by Cayman law. However, the regulator did force disclosure that a lump sum of 4.3 million pounds was buried in fiscal 2011 employee costs totaling about 153 million pounds. Some directors took no salary or bonuses that year, Glazer’s team said in a revised filing.

    Revised numbers in United’s 2012 annual report put key management compensation at 7 million pounds, up from 5.3 million in fiscal 2011.

    Glazers’ team resisted saying exactly how it would spend its share of the IPO money, until the SEC told it to revise its filing again “to explain why you are conducting this offering,” without a specific need. A July 3 disclosure told investors that United would pay some debt, and how much would remain afterward as a burden on the team.

    “The Glazers are driving up revenues — their commercial deals are good,” said Drasdo, the head of the fan group. “But if the money is not going to the club, it’s no use.”

    To contact the reporter on this story: Linda Sandler in New York at lsandler@bloomberg.net;

    To contact the editor responsible for this story: John Pickering at jpickering@bloomberg.net

  13. Costas says:

    Pat ever the troll. ;)

  14. Adam says:

    If we can beat city in December and they crash out of CL I think Mancini will collapse onto himself from a nervous breakdown …the media will be relentless in those circumstances…

  15. FletchTHEMAN says:

    @parryheid Cheers mate. Don’t know about the Red Knights money as we never really saw it. Only talk and simple answer, the Glazers never wanted to talk. United = Cash Cow to them.

    Another question that we will never know the answer to.

  16. kanchelskis says:

    Hmmm … rather have the title than another little performance from old loudmouth.

    All sounds a bit like the ‘moral victors’ bit which we used to love taking the piss out of, no?

  17. ididnotzeeit says:

    I hate the bitters and chavs as much as anyone, but to say anybody can `fluke` their way to a Premier League or European title is just crazy. Deserving, maybe not, lucky, yes, flukes, no, not for me.

    Just saying, sounds like sour grapes calling either a fluke. Bent`s beachball goal was a fluke, 9 months of competitive action leading to a result can be categorized as many things, a fluke, is not one of them.

  18. NBI Red Onion says:

    There are only 3 tier I clubs in the world: United (most valuable, largest fan base), Real Madrid – these Clubs have history, prestige, glamour, make super stars and are competing today

    Tier II – Barcelona, Arsenal, Liverpool (past glories, declining towards Tier III), Chelsea, Bayern, Inter, AC Milan, Juventus

    Tier III – nouveau riche money to buy top players & decent clubs – City, PSG, Ankhi, Ajax…

  19. NBI Red Onion says:

    2 tier I

  20. Proverb says:

    Wtf is this:

    (Reproduced from an article by thekop.liverpoolfc.com:

    ”Wonder why referees who give United bad decisions never repeat the trick? It’s because they get taught a heavy lesson from Fergie, The FA & PGMOB. The conspiracy unravels within….

    The fortunes of the institutions surrounding football in the UK will be negatively hit should any proof of corruption come out. It is naturally in their interest not to investigate the matter. In fact, the managers that have come out and questioned the refereeing selection process (Rafa Benitez, Andre Villas Boas) have been turned into laughing stocks by the English press corps.

    So, investigate some more I did. And some of the stuff I found out surprised even me.

    During United’s title winning 2010/11 season, they only lost 4 league games. I looked at who refereed those games and how long they then spent without being assigned Manchester United games as well their subsequent trend of behavior towards United.

    Michael Oliver took charge of their first defeat, the February 2011 2-1 loss at Wolves. He was not given another Manchester United game to referee until December 2011. Since then, Oliver has had 2 United games.

    United have won both, with Oliver refusing to give a clear Fulham penalty in the 1-0 United win late last season at Old Trafford; a game came right at the end of the title race. A few weeks ago, Oliver gave United a penalty for a shocking dive by Danny Welbeck in the home win against Wigan.

    The second game United lost was away to Chelsea. Martin Atkinson was the referee then and some of his decisions incurred the wrath of Alex Ferguson. Atkinson was not given another United game to referee for an ENTIRE YEAR.

    Atkinson was further punished with his decisions that went against United that day. He was not given a single Premier League game to referee for a full month. Even worse, he was subsequently given 3 lower league games to referee that season- when he’d previously not officiated a single one that campaign.

    It seems that Atkinson was given a clear message that day.

    The 3rd United loss came at Anfield, where a Dirk Kuyt hat trick secured a 3-1 home win. The referee that day was Phil Dowd. He was criticized by Ferguson for not sending Jamie Carragher off. In the very next United game Dowd refereed, he gave them a penalty which secured a 1-1 draw at Blackburn and their 19th league title.

    Giving United penalties in the very next game you referee for them after having been criticized is a trend we’ll soon notice.

    The final United loss of the 2010/11 season came at the Emirates, where Chris Foy refereed a 1-0 Arsenal win. It will come to no surprise to people to know that Foy was subsequently not assigned a United league game for, again, AN ENTIRE YEAR.

    He did however referee 2 United games in the cups during that time. The first was in the Carling Cup against Crystal Palace. He awarded United a penalty. The second was at Manchester City in the FA Cup. United got a penalty and Vincent Kompany was sent off early in the game.

    To resume, we’ve just analyzed what happened to the 4 referees that officiated United’s 4 league losses in the 2010/11 season. 2 of them were not given any more United league games for a full year (Atkinson and Foy), a third for 9 months (Oliver). 2 of those referees gave United penalties in the very next game (Foy and Dowd) they took charge of and one refused to give a blatant one to the opponents (Oliver). Martin Atkinson, was not given Premier League games to officiate for an entire month and assigned to 3 lower league games.

    I also looked at Mike Jones after prompting from the comments board. Jones refereed the 1-1 home draw with Newcastle last season and falsely awarded Demba Ba a penalty.

    Subsequently, Jones was not given a single football game, at ANY level, to referee for an entire month. The next United game he was handed came a few months later, the 2-0 home win against Stoke which saw… You guessed it: 2 penalties awarded to Manchester United which, according to reports, were “very soft”.

    How about Mark Halsey? Well, when he gave WBA a debatable penalty in the 1-1 draw at Old Trafford in May 2005 it was his 5th United game that season. He then also went an ENTIRE YEAR without being given any United games to referee. From 5 games in a season to none for a year. His record since then? He’s refereed 11 Man Utd games which have seen 11 United wins: the latest coming at Anfield, where 3 controversial decisions went the away team’s way.

    In terms of trends, considering what we discovered about Alan Wiley and Mark Clattenburg (whose record with no United games to referee now stands at 36 league games since he took charge of the 6-1 home loss to City), there’s enough to make you wonder what exactly is going on in the referee selection process. It also ties in perfectly with ex referee Jeff Winter’s comments about The FA being reticent to assign United games to referees Ferguson has criticized in the past.

    The whole world revolves around incentives and punishment. From a young age, kids are brought up that way. Positive and negative reinforcement are at the very core of child psychology. You can’t blame people who are well aware of the punishment awaiting them (through the form of demotionsand suspension from future United games) if they’d rather go for the safe option of keeping Ferguson happy.

    I don’t blame the referees.

    The people I blame are the ones that are letting this happen. The media who have not uttered a peep or written a single article about this for 2 decades. The FA who run the game in this country and have allowed this situation to fester. The clubs who see no issue with having David Gill, United’s CEO, on the board of the FA. And of course, the PGMOB: the people who regulate officiating in England

    The person at the head of the PGMOB and who is in charge of selecting which referee gets handed which game is Mike Riley, an ex professional referee who is most famous for giving a penalty for a clear dive by Wayne Rooney in the 2004 Man United 2-0 win against Arsenal which ended the Gunners 49 game unbeaten streak.

    Riley was accused of pro United favoritism throughout his career. For younger readers, he’s my generation’s Howard Webb.

    According to the Guardian’s research, which goes to back to the beginning of the 1997-98 season until 2004, “Riley refereed 23 United games in all competitions and gave 12 penalties for United in that time, but only three against them. And he has sent off five of United’s opponents.

    At Old Trafford, Riley’s record is weighted even more heavily in favor of United: He gave 10 penalties in the 14 games he officiated to the home side, Manchester United.”

    Riley’s bias was so suspected than when was awarded the Everton vs Man Utd FA Cup semi final to officiate in 2009, David Moyes actually called for an investigation on whether Riley was a United supporter.

    This is the man who now decides which premier league games to assign to referees.

    Add that to everything we’ve found out: the year long waits for referees who take charge of United losses to be given another United game to officiate, the penalties that are given to United in said referees next United games, the punishment for making mistakes that cost United points (Atkinson’s month long suspension from premier league games, Jones’ 1 month suspension from ALL PROFESSIONAL games), the comments from ex referee Jeff Winter, the fact that 18% of Howard Webb’s career penalties have gone to Manchester United,the retirement of Alain Wiley after being called unfit by Alex Ferguson and, of course, the presence of David Gill inside the FA and surely there’s enough there for some investigative journalist in the UK to actually look more into this.

    If only to put the millions of football fans’ across the world’s minds at ease.

    Because we could all be wrong and all of this may just be a set of freakish coincidences. Maybe English football is squeaky clean like they make us believe and the referee selection process is completely unbiased.

    Maybe we’re just paranoid…

    Or maybe not… Chris Foy failed to give Manchester United a penalty in their 3-2 loss to Spurs last month. The PGMOB did not handed Foy a Premier League game to referee the next weekend: instead, officiated in League 2 for the first time in more than 4 years.

    Mike Jones meanwhile, who missed a blatant penalty on Luis Suarez at Norwich the same weekend, took charge of West Brom vs QPR in the Premier League. Finally, Howard Webb (who sent off Jordi Gomez on Saturday; a red card today rescinded by the FA) took charge of Newcastle’s home game against Manchester United.

    Why did Foy’s errors on last month lead to his demotion to the lowest professional league in England while Webb’s and Jones’ mistakes didn’t cost them?

    I guess we all know the answer to that question

  21. MEXICO is RED says:

    Here is why City is just another football club…

    http://mixturesport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/A7bTdkNCAAANlwc-510×340.jpg

  22. Warwick says:

    It’s amazing the increase in number of people I see out and about wearing city shirts all of a sudden-shame they don’t actually go to watch their team and fill the council house up

  23. MEXICO is RED says:

    @Warwick,
    Those people are glory hunters, tomorrow they will wear the champion’s jersey.
    I have friends that now are Barcelona fans, year ago United, later Juventus… but they do not know who are in the starting XI.

  24. mansuy united says:

    Please don’t post so much garbage from LFC supporters, gross. Just link it.

    Love what I’m hearing, but make sure you back it up with your performances, Paddy!

  25. DreadedRed says:

    No glory hunter worth his salt should affiliate himself with city.

    Only shame seekers wanting an obscenely obscure obituary should apply.

  26. WeAreUnited says:

    we really have a bright future, just look at Danny Welbeck against sweden and also Tom cleverley.
    They both played well and Danny is making those swedes look stupid.

    The guy just need to srot out his final ball and he will be great. He’s what only 21?

    peace.

  27. WeAreUnited says:

    PS.

    That man, Zlatan Ibrahimovic is a player, that I would have bought years ago. No matetr what and who we had. But I am not and haven’t been the manager or the GM so.

    Me writing and he scores a hattrick..

    WHAT A PLAYER. I once compared hi mto Cantona, and I was slated for that. I will do it again. He is great. WOuld be our Cantona.

    peace. and don’t start crying, I know our history, I know the influence of Cantona etc. Just saying.

  28. WeAreUnited says:

    WHAT DI I SAY.

    his fourth goal. WOW. And say to me cantona didn’t score those goals?

    WOW.

  29. Frankie says:

    Wellbeck was oustanding tonight but Ibra was out of this word.
    Do you imagine what the press would have said ifnJoe Hart was David De Gea!

  30. United Till I Die says:

    Paddy keep putting in those performances!

    England were taught another lesson tonight. The funniest thing is SWEDEN are miles below England in the ranking (they’re outside the top 20 ffs) but they always show more class and composure than England on every occasion they play. Hilarious.

    SACK THE MANAGER I say, bring in Arry or Pardew. Thats about as good as it gets in England imo, not that I give a toss mind you haha. Well done Danny.

  31. Diego says:

    Ibra leaves Hart with a life threatening amount of egg on his face. He is a special player.

  32. edhardy says:

    And why is everyone going on and on about Ibrahimovich’s last goal? I do that quite often……….in my dreams!!
    PS: yeah Heidi Klum is my wife and Angelina Jolie is my mistress!!

  33. WeAreUnited says:

    this guy who is commentating along with our legend roy keane in ITV, the first man, I don’t remember his name, I know he was a player :D

    Anyway he put it well, he said that people in England claim that Zlatan is not good enough and doesn’t play well agains t english team, that’s why he’s not good, but yet he performs like this which tells you that he is a top drawer.

    Then the other man said, that if a player scores in every second game in every league, IS a world-class player. So why people complain? This guy scores goals for fun and his every second goal is a crazy goal :D

  34. samuel - united WE stand says:

    What a goal from zlatan.. Technical masterclass. Positive is welbeck. His all round game was classy and took his goal well.

    Young was mix bag but one thing he did which he hasn’t done for united regularly is actually beat a man on the outside rather than cutting into his right foot with a skill and crossing. Hope he can do that for united. Cleverley played ok. Was good in possession and made some good runs forward but if he wants to be a top midfielder, he needs to improve his goal scoring and needs to impact games with more decisive passes.

  35. samuel - united WE stand says:

    United till i die – and how’s the tactically inept wheeler dealer going to help england?. England have introduced younger players which is refreshing and they may not havw wiped the floor with sweden (a good team that recently made a come back against germany) but you got to hand credit where credit is due, an inexperienced england met a formidable world class player at his absolute peak, don’t see what else they could’ve done to stop him, although the arrogant joe hart, self proclaimed world best keeper was shown up again.

  36. zigoo says:

    all the positives from the england match and from welbeck and young and clevz went out of the window with that ibra goal!

    WHAT A STRIKE!!WHAT A GOAL,WHAT A PLAYER!!!

    MARTIN O NEILL SHOULD REAALLY GO AND KILL HIMSELF NOW

  37. United Till I Die says:

    @Samuel

    alright mate? both Redknapp and Pardew made improvements at clubs with expectations but Woy failed to do that at LFC, the biggest club in England he’s ever managed. Imo Hodgson is completely unproven in England compared to somebody like Moyles, and if anything he’s on the level of Tony Pullis as far as results are concerned.

    The reason I mentioned Pardew is because his record over 2 years at turbulent, expectant NUFC is a lot more impressive than Woy’s cozy year at grateful WBA.

    As for Arry, hate him or not hes got the best EPL win record of any English manager still in a position to manage, and he’s done it over a longer amount of time.

    Just his record at West Ham over 8 years is comparable to anything Woy has achieved in England, and Woy is yet to get results at a decent EPL club like Spurs.

    Arry was there for four years and left with a win rate of 50%. but like I said mate im not overly bothered. I’d love to see a heathly England set up but like a few things in the game I can’t see it happening any time soon.

    I agree with you that this lot coming through are all talented but so were the last lot mate. The problem with the so-called Golden generation wasn’t a lack of young talent, or not playing them, it was the FA employing an ineffective manager for so many years.

    Ido hope our lads playing for England repeat the Club success of the Scholes, Rio and co, but would anybody really be surprised if Cleverley and Welbeck end up in an England set up that achieves fuck all at the International level in the next 10 years?

    Imo playing young players means nothing without the right manager at the helm. Fergie, Mourinho or Wenger would’ve all achieved a lot more if they had the same talent at their disposal as Sven did. At least one major final ffs.

    England deserves better than Woy haha.

  38. Rednemz says:

    Thanks for the Obvious, let’s see where citeh will be in the coming years

  39. Lord Nikhil says:

    @ Proverb says:

    Hahaha in face of all these conspiracy theorists. Last week got into argument with some Chelsea supporters about the favor we get from refs and FA. For all their insinuations, I had one reply..

    Apparently, Besides Love their is another thing that nowadays money can’t buy. Yes – English Referees. For all your oil money & Russian Rubles, you have not been able to buy a single ref like SAF has.

    And if its not money then accept that we have history, charisma & style that makes FA and ref give us this support.. Which, obviously, you don’t have and will never have.

    Like to make them feel miserable with feeling tht we have luck & Refs supporting us. Coz there is nothing you can do about it..

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