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FC United, Ticket Prices and How We Compare To Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool…

I’ve made no secret of my feelings towards FC United of Manchester. I don’t like them. I don’t like this idea of fans who used to come to Old Trafford every week deciding to turn their back on the club.

Had FC United formed in 1999, with those fans turning their backs on the most successful club in England and Europe, then I’d have more sympathy for the cause. The principles that formed Sharedholder’s United and FC United were ever apparent in 1999. The ticket prices were going up, as they had been doing for years, we were bringing out new shirts every season, our fans were being ordered to sit or face ejection from the ground, and ‘football club’ had been removed from our badge. We were a money making enterprise.

Yet FC United was formed in 2005, following United’s worst season since 1989, with us finishing 3rd and winning nothing.

Of course, 2005 coincided with the Glazer takeover, but that harrowing incident only took place because we, the fans, allowed it to. The wake up call should have come when Rupert Murdoch started sniffing around. Shareholder’s United Against Murdoch was formed and his bid to take over the club was fought off. There were seven years between that failed takeover and the successful one of the Glazers, but what did we do? I am including myself in this statement. I, like most United fans, did sweet fuck all. Drunk off our success, feeling as though our team were invincible, World-beaters, I didn’t fear that some money bags foreigner would actually be able to buy our club.

That’s not to say there weren’t United fans working away, being sensible, trying to protect our club. Shareholders United was formed on May 16th 1999 with their aim to maintain the independence of Manchester United through ownership of shares by supporters of the football club. Brilliant idea.

As a novelty, my dad had been buying me shares at United every Christmas. I wasn’t going to make my fortune with them, but we had a fair few. It wasn’t a pre-cautionary action though, or a political statement, but rather for the enjoyment of claiming a stake in our club. We’d get the annual brochures talking about income and percentages, which we wouldn’t read, and didn’t think much else about it.

When Glazer owned 75.16%, SU were flooded with requests by fans to pour their cash in to a fund to stop Glazer. Had this action taken place over the seven years, between when alarm bells should have first started ringing and the iminent Glazer takeover, we’d have been laughing. But this didn’t happen. We sat back and allowed our club to be bought by some Yank who knows fuck all about football or United, by not taking enough prior action to stop it.

Are the people who watch FC all the founding members of SU? The fans who stood up from the word go, during the peak of our success? I imagine quite a lot of them are. In 2006, over 6,000 people went to watch FC United take on Great Harwood Town. But were these 6,000 people paying the ticket prices of six years before, when the club brought in massive increases and blamed them on Roy Keane’s contract? We were Champions of England and Champions of Europe back then, so it was worth paying it, right? In 2005, we’d won fuck all and everyone was saying our glory days were over, but it was only then that the principle of this money making franchise was too much to bear. Coincidence?

Football sold it’s soul to Sky Sports long ago, and to be a fan of a Premiership side means you’re going to have to fork out a lot of cash if you’re to go regularly. As our ticket prices have increased since the Glazers, as they did before the Glazers, it is understandable that people can’t afford £600+ a year for a season ticket. I certainly am not going to have a go at a local brickie who simply can’t afford that amount of money, of course not. But it does irk me when fans say they won’t step foot in Old Trafford anymore because of the prices, that they’re not prepared to line Glazer’s pockets. Considering that all the money we’re making at the moment has gone in to purchasing of new players, the pockets of the Glazers are less full than John Magnier and JP McManus’ ever were.

You can get a ticket in the Stretford End for any league match for £26. Don’t tell me the 6,000 fans going to watch FC can’t afford £26 once in a blue moon. Under 16′s can go to any league match, sitting in any stand, for £10. Don’t tell me you can’t afford to take your kid to Old Trafford these days.

You can see United play five times for the cost of an FC United season ticket. But then, FC United are playing in the Northern Premier League, so you won’t get to see your team play the likes of Barcelona, Chelsea, Roma, Liverpool, Lyon and Arsenal.

It’s not a problem these people have with Manchester United, if it costs too much, it’s a problem they have with modern day top flight football in England.

Take a look at these prices from clubs from the north and south of the country, with the differences in prices between their tickets and ours.

Arsenal
Cheapest match day ticket: £33 (B), £38 (A)   +£12
Most expensive match day ticket: £66 (B), £94 (A)   +£50
Kids: £13.50 (B), £18.50 (A)   +£8.50
Cheapest season ticket: £925   +£464
Most expensive season ticket: £1,825   +£913
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Chelsea
Cheapest match day ticket: £45   +£19
Most expensive match day ticket: £65   +£17
Kids: £17.50-£22.50 (depending on location)   +£12.50
Cheapest season ticket: £650   +£189
Most expensive season ticket: £1,150   +£238
Kids: £330-£430 (depending on location)   +£240
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Tottenham Hotspur
Cheapest match day ticket: £28 (C), £33 (B), £43 (A)   +£17
Most expensive match day ticket: £43 (C), £53 (B), £75 (A)   +£27
Kids: £15-£25   +£15
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West Ham
Cheapest match day ticket: £35 (for a Category B match), £45 (Category A)   +£19
Most expensive match day ticket: £51 (B), £63 (A)   +£15
Kids: Up to £23 (B), up to £34.50 (A)  +£24.50
Cheapest season ticket: £615   +£121
Most expensive season ticket: £885   -£27
Kids: £215-£265
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Liverpool
Cheapest match day ticket: £32 (B), £34 (A)   +£8
Most expensive match day ticket: £34 (B), £36 (A)  -£12
Cheapest season ticket: £700   +£206
Most expensive season ticket: £750   -£162
Kids: £345   +£155
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Manchester United
Cheapest match day ticket: £26
Most expensive match day ticket: £48
Kids: £10
Cheapest season ticket: £494
Most expensive season ticket: £912
Kids: £190
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Manchester City
Cheapest match day ticket: £23 (B), £36 (A)   +£10
Most expensive match day ticket: £30 (B), £44 (A)   -£8
Kids: £10   £0
Cheapest season ticket: £461   -£33
Most expensive season ticket: £582   -£330
Kids: £95  -£95
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Middlesbrough
Cheapest match day ticket: £26   £0
Most expensive match day ticket: £37   -£11
Kids: £17   +£7
Cheapest season ticket: £361   -£133
Most expensive season ticket: £509   -£403
Kids: £88   -£102
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So, what are the conclusions? For the price of the cheapest Arsenal season ticket, you could get to 35 games at Old Trafford, which is close to two seasons worth of games. For the price of Arsenal’s most expensive season ticket, you could go to 70 games at Old Trafford, which is close to four seasons worth of games. To get your hands on a Liverpool season ticket, you have to pay more than £200 more than season ticket holding fans sitting in the Stretford End. A ticket to see Middlesbrough vs Chelsea at the Riverside could cost you £11 more than watching United vs Chelsea at Old Trafford.

I want to reinforce the point I’m not saying that some United fans haven’t been priced out of getting a season ticket, because obviously that isn’t the case. The point I’m making is that the people who go to watch FC at the complete exclusion of going to Old Trafford can’t argue it’s purely for the money. Whilst still extortionate in places, United’s rises have been far kinder than a lot of other Premiership fans have faced in recent years. Yet those fans haven’t got to see their team win back to back titles, coupled with the European Cup.

If people no longer go to Old Trafford because of the principle, then they should have stopped going in the early 90′s, when United were one of the first clubs to change their kit on a yearly basis and brought in regular ticket price rises.

Whilst FC United can still boast attendances larger than most teams in the Conference, which is very impressive, they’re still some way short of the 6,000 they were bringing in during their first season. It was easier to abondon Old Trafford ‘on principle’ when we were winning nothing, just as it was probably fairly easy to fork out an extra few quid per match ticket to return to watch us play once we’d won the league again.

The price I pay for my season ticket is less expensive than the cheapest season tickets on offer at Anfield, the Emirates, Stamford Bridge, White Hart Lane, Upton Park, and probably a few other grounds up and down the country. As a fan of a Premiership club, I accept that I’m going to have to pay a lot to watch my team play, but the difference is, my ticket is cheaper than any ticket at the other top four clubs, and I get to watch the team which has the Premiership trophy and European Cup on display!




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43 Comments

  1. Ella says:

    I agree in principle but in fairness I think you should point out that Arsenal season tickets (don’t know about others but do work with an Aresenal fan) include the cost of home cup matches. These are additional at United

  2. Rafa The Gaffer says:

    For once Scott I agree with you ;-)

    And that is the difference between AFC Liverpool and FCUM as I see it. FCUM was set up because of the Glazers, whereas AFC Liverpool was set up because of the lack of availability of tickets at Anfield. There is a strong connection between AFC Liverpool and LFC, and there are regular articles on the official LFC website about AFC Liverpool.

    Yes, the money is one thing, and as you say, didn’t just happen in 2005. It’s been happening for 20 years since Sky invented football.

    This credit crunch may have a significant effect if things are still bad come next June, because I can see quite a few clubs ST sales dropping significantly if they try and raise prices. I may even get a ST at Anfield if the 56,000 on the list in front on me decide not to buy one either!

  3. FAILSWORTHDEVIL says:

    I have had to give up my ticket… dont like the fact coz nothing better than walking about SMB Way on matchday… but with a young family just cannot afford it now…

    I still think we are reasonable with regards to the pricing, the only thing i think is wrong is how they are makin you compulsory purchase cup tickets..

    If we want the players and superstars that we buy, yes sometimes overpriced… but if we want these gracing the pitch then they gotta get as much dough in as poss… i aceept that..

    And unfortunately with the debt… this needs to be managed correctly, so they will squeeze every penny they can…

    I wouldnt mind though we would fill the stadium anyway without this clause.. it just gets peeps backs up.

  4. Sue says:

    I have to agree with Ella and think you should point out that:

    The Arsenal season ticket costing £925 does include 7 home cup games (Champions league and FA cup). Normally The Arsenal only charge £10 per ticket (lower tier) for Carling Cup 3rd & 4th round games.
    If we dont use all the 7 home cup games then the price is reflected in the following seasons ticket prices

  5. Andy says:

    Although the dearest LFC season ticket is shown as £750, it is only this amount if you choose to obtain it after a set date (To encourage the money to come in earlier). So, unless you choose that option, in reality the most expensive is actually £700.

    Regards

    Andy

  6. sa says:

    Arsenal season tickets also include ALL Champions League matches. So that’s at least four games (one qualifier+three group games). Last season the club had six Champions League home games+ one FA Cup game. Arsenal season ticket holders did not have to pay extra for any of those games.

  7. North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row says:

    Im not 100% sure on where I stand with FC United to be honest, and Id guess Im not on my own. I appreciated their principles at the time, the amount of work that went into setting FC United up, some of their idea behind the reasoning of it, and how hard it must of been for some of those die hard United fans to turn away from the club they love. I didnt really understand the ins and outs financially of what was going on at Old Trafford at the time, despite the amount of information going around in papers and websites, some of it scare mongering, some of it facts.
    I sent FC United a small few quid to help set the club up, while at the same time knowing I wouldnt ever consider walking away from United myself (sounds hypocritical I suppose), I even voted on the name the club should take.
    I do follow their results every week, and genuinely like to see them do well and climb the divisions (although this season looks like they are under pressure).
    I appreciate the points you make Scott, and would probably agree with most of it, while at the same time feeling a sense of sympathy towards FC, a small sense of attachment, and also have been impressed with what work they’ve put in.
    Im 100% United, and that wont change, but I think you’re being a small bit harsh on them, pointing out about them setting up the club during our worst recent season, and of the ticketing prices and the rest.
    Yeah, these are some of the facts, but I dont think the FC United issue is a black and white one. Id like to hear from some of the lads involved in FC United, to give their side of things…

  8. curtis says:

    The Arsenal season ticket price is for 26 games (19 premiership and seven cup games (excluding the Carling cup)).

  9. LTW93 says:

    ive had to give my season ticket up in the stretford end this season and mine was the cheapest one you could get, i feel sorry for the other people spending a lot more, i dont know how most people can afford it!

    i had a look at the official site , i was thinking of going to the QPR game, thinking it would be cheaper like they used to be for league cup games.. cheapest adult ticket for non member? £31 , absolute disgrace

  10. ChelseaR says:

    We’ve got 4 season tickets – and have had for some years before the money came to Chelsea (Myself, my wife, my father and son). 6 years ago the 4 tickets cost me slightly more than they do today! That’s because I now pay about £810 for mine and my wifes and £405 for my son and £405 for my father who is a pensioner = £2430. Six years ago all 4 were about £700 with no concessions for children or OAPs = £2,800

  11. b says:

    arsenal get some cl games as well as domestic cup games

  12. A MAN UNITED FAN says:

    94euro to see a team out played and beatin by hull

  13. ex North Stand says:

    I’m starting to be concerned that I’m seeing spaces in the ground when watching on Sky Sports( ok I know Murdochs partly to blame for the prices in grounds but so are players wages, etc) To shut my wife up moaning about me going to matches I stopped after 2007, partly because of cost but also due to the fact that majority of games were played Sat evening Sunday lunch, evening or midweek. I want to go Sat 3.00pm as it should be as I work away a lot.

  14. Devilinho says:

    hey guys can anyone give the full detail of united’s debts and the source of them, and their plan to eliminate them..

    please guys this is so important i’ve known they are because of the glazers takeover but i need a much more detailed story..

  15. no.1 goon says:

    outplayed?
    how did you work that out mate?
    do u even watch football?

  16. Primachenko says:

    what i don’t understand is what “they change their kit every season” has to do with an argument against the evil way of glazers, greed, etc. you are not forced to buy a new kit as soon as it comes out. if you want to buy one, great, more power to you. if not, who cares? it’s not like the club demands every person at old trafford to be wearing the newest kit on offer. what does a real supporter’s love of the club have to do with a shirt? if you love the club, you love the club. the lads might as well be playing out there naked. it shouldn’t matter what they are wearing.

    it’s like, oh shit, the club is releasing a new shirt every month now. because of this blatant greed of the executives my love for the club is gone. damn these greedy fuckers. if it wasn’t for these shirts, i would still be loving the club.

  17. katty says:

    scott, I sometimes wonder how you manage to stay so well informed. Great article! I agree with you that the FC United thing was unnecessary. How could our own supporters abandon our beloved club? Quite strange…

  18. Nico Garcia says:

    Great article!

  19. suhayl says:

    Failsworth Devil and North Stand tier 3…..my sentiments are echoed as always in what you say…

    Spot on with all the points you make…i agree and have the same views

  20. Fuglis says:

    What’s the difference between switching to FC United than, say, to City or Liverpool? You’re still changing allegiance, aren’t you? Granted, it’s less controversial, but isn’t it the same in principle?

  21. FAILSWORTHDEVIL says:

    “There’s only one United”.. and i dont think there is much more to say with regards to that..

  22. Stephen says:

    I do wonder how many times the Glaziers get approached by these Arabs, Russians for a buy out. They are at the club for the money, which we all understand and with the fiancial situation in America I wonder if we will get bought out? Probably not but you never know, United till I die.

  23. Its in my blood says:

    Firstly, Failsworth Devil, North Stand Tier3 and Suhayl, totally agree! I went to FC’s first game and was impressed with the passion shown by the fans. What saddened me was the realisation that these fans were amongst the most vocal previously at OT. The seats they once occupied are now given out as corporate freebies in the Stretford End to people who seem incapable of offering vocal support other than polite applause every now and then! To my knowledge, almost every FC fan still retains love for Utd and sing and cheer in the pubs etc when we play. I may be wrong but i thought that the main concern for them initially was the Glazers ownership and the belief (mistaken) that the Glazers would systematically destroy all that our club stood for. Yes it would be good to hear from some FC fans for their views.

  24. Anant says:

    i love united but want fc united to do well too . sent them a mail asking them if they wanted support from india when the club was being formed . honestly feel they are our sister club . remember , the people who formed fc united love man utd as much as you and me , they just hate glazer . i , personally have found no reason to hate him so far .

  25. NickOGS20 says:

    “Considering that all the money we’re making at the moment has gone in to purchasing of new players, the pockets of the Glazers are less full than John Magnier and JP McManus’ ever were.”

    Come on, you don’t seriously believe that do you Scott? All the money we make at the moment goes towards paying off the ludicrous debt. The purchasing of new players is done on the never-never and is funded by player sales or more debt being accrued.

    I couldn’t disagree more with the general gist of the article to be honest. FCUM wasn’t for me and I’m still a ST holder at United but I completely sympathise with those who felt enough was enough in 2005. To practically accuse those people of being glory-hunters who fled after the ‘disaster’ of a third-placed finish is laughable and frankly totally disrespectful to a number of people who were going to Old Trafford long before most of us were probably born.

    “Yet FC United was formed in 2005, following United’s worst season since 1989, with us finishing 3rd and winning nothing.” – we finished third and won nothing in 2002, so if all these people who walked away are fly-by-nights, why wasn’t FCUM formed then?

    Onto the ticket price talk – “It’s not a problem these people have with Manchester United, if it costs too much, it’s a problem they have with modern day top flight football in England.” – I expect most, if not all, FC fans would completely agree with that, so what’s your point?

    Going on to say you can pay £26 to watch United on the Stretford End every now and then ‘so don’t say you can’t afford to go to Old Trafford any more’. Come on, way to miss the point. People don’t want to go along and watch their team ‘now and then’ or ‘once in a blue moon’, they want to follow their team every week. And the only way to guarantee a £26 ticket to any game is to be one of the lucky ones with a ST in that area – if you’re a member (and anyone wanting to go to a game once in a blue moon would be) then if you’re lucky enough to get a ticket at all, it’s far far more likely to be a £40+ one up in the quadrants somewhere than in Stretty Lower. When you can pay £100 or so at FCUM to guarantee you a ticket for every game then you can see the appeal for those who were starting to feel the pinch financially and objected to the takeover.

    Then the ticket price comparisons – Arsenal’s cup ticket scheme has already been mentioned, but more pertinent is the fact that you can’t just compare Manchester prices (or prices in the North in general) with London prices – it’s absolutely pointless. Wages are different, cost of living is different, disposable income is different – it’s a completely different set of financial circumstances.

    Finally – “If people no longer go to Old Trafford because of the principle, then they should have stopped going in the early 90’s, when United were one of the first clubs to change their kit on a yearly basis and brought in regular ticket price rises.” – come on, that’s nonsense. Things have massively changed since the early 90′s for starters, and as you’ve already acknowledged Scott, people just didn’t realise the implications of stock market flotation and so on back then.

    United fans whining about FC baffle me. As pointed out numerous times in the article, as United fans we are supporting the biggest team in the world, the best team in the country and indeed Europe, we regularly see our team lifting silverware…. so remind me, why the chip on the shoulder about a club in the Unibond League? If you’ve no interest in FC (or even disdain for them) then just ignore them surely? This constant need by some United fans to belittle FCUM or question their fans’ motives seems incredibly petty, bizarrely bitter and only serves to increase the divides between Reds that have developed since 2005.

  26. Jas Rai says:

    NickOGS20…….fucking bang on!!!!!!!! Just read the article and all the comments, you’ve summed it up perfectly…especially the point about finishing 3rd and turning our backs on United. FC fans have NOT turned their backs on United, some stopped going to matches at OT but they all still love United – they just feel like they’ve been let down by all the people who argued Glazer was no good to the club, only to now embrace him. Some fans, myself included, go to both FCUM and MUFC games – and for anyone who hasn’t been to a game, look at the videos on youtube and you’ll see the best home fans in the country……

    Two United’s but the soul is one as the Busby Babes carry on!!!!!!!!!

  27. FF says:

    ***scott, I sometimes wonder how you manage to stay so well informed. Great article! I agree with you that the FC United thing was unnecessary. How could our own supporters abandon our beloved club?***
    If Scott does manage to stay well informed, Katy, it doesn’t come across in this article. And the answer to why the people at FC have abandoned MUFC is simple. They haven’t. If you spoke to them you’d understand that. The vast majority of FC fans haven’t stopped supporting MUFC, they’ve simply stopped going. Take the worldwide fanbase of MUFC and then subtract the 76000 who go to OT every week and the number you’re left with is the number of Reds who do exactly what FC fans do – support MUFC but don’t attend OT.

    ***Considering that all the money we’re making at the moment has gone in to purchasing of new players, the pockets of the Glazers are less full than John Magnier and JP McManus’ ever were.***

    Of course, the truth is that all the money United is making at the moment has NOT gone into purchasing new players. Every year, of the tons of money United hasmade, £60 million is paid out in interest on the Glazers’ debts. Anything left over after that gets spent on players. So, two points: firstly, the Glazers’ pockets are not less full because, in return for that £60 million a year, they have in their pockets Manchester United FC. Secondly, if the Glazers’ debt did not exist, Alex Ferguson would have £60 million a year more to spend on players.

    ***It’s not a problem these people have with Manchester United, if it costs too much, it’s a problem they have with modern day top flight football in England.***

    Well, that’s one thing you have got right but I suspect not for the reasons you think. People going to FC United are motivated by as many different reasons as there are people but a general disillusionment with professional football is an overarching theme. People put up with the sort of stuff that gets pulled on fans because they;d grown so used to it. It took something as disgusting as the Glazers buying MUFC not with their own money but with our money and turning a debt-free club overnight into the most indebted of all to wake some people up. The Glazers weren’t the cause of people choosing to go to FC United. They were just the straw that broke the camel’s back.

    ***For the price of the cheapest Arsenal season ticket, you could get to 35 games at Old Trafford, which is close to two seasons worth of games. For the price of Arsenal’s most expensive season ticket, you could go to 70 games at Old Trafford, which is close to four seasons worth of games.***

    If you’re unable to afford an OT season ticket, how is it made more affordable by the fact that an Arsenal season ticket is twice as expensive? If you can’t afford to buy a house in Stretford, the fact that a house in Mayfair costs twice as much doesn’t change anything. You still can’t afford the house in Stretford.

    ***The point I’m making is that the people who go to watch FC at the complete exclusion of going to Old Trafford can’t argue it’s purely for the money.***

    I’m not aware that many of them do argue that.

    ***Whilst FC United can still boast attendances larger than most teams in the Conference, which is very impressive, they’re still some way short of the 6,000 they were bringing in during their first season. It was easier to abondon Old Trafford ‘on principle’ when we were winning nothing, just as it was probably fairly easy to fork out an extra few quid per match ticket to return to watch us play once we’d won the league again.***

    Gordon Brown would be proud of your ability to fiddle statistics? FC United’s home gate in that first season was 3125. In their final home match of the season, 6023 turned up to see them receive the trophy. Slightly different from implying that their average gate was 6000 in their first season. Their average gate this season is around 2300. So that’s a drop of 26%, not the nearly 50% you imply.

    ***It’s like, oh shit, the club is releasing a new shirt every month now. because of this blatant greed of the executives my love for the club is gone. damn these greedy fuckers. if it wasn’t for these shirts, i would still be loving the club.***

    You’re just setting up straw men there, Primachenko. Who at FC United has ever said that they were driven away from OT by the frequency of kit changes? The founding ideas behind FC United have nothing to do with the frequency of kit changes and everything to do with ensuring that such things, if they do happen, are decided by the fans.

  28. ccg says:

    Written by Scott. Who says he’s a Manc. Who says he’s a season ticket holder at Old Trafford. Who says ‘I love my team’. who managed to convert his Yank missus in to a die hard red. who loves discussing, talking and arguing about NFL football. And is on the Glazer pay roll

  29. Dave says:

    FC United supporters turned their backs on MUFC because we didn’t win anything? Excuse me. From 1967 to 1981 I didn’t miss a home game. Between 1981 – 2005 I missed 10 home games. In the relegation season I went to 42 league games – out of 42. I also bought shares when United were floated in 91. Yet I walked away because we hadn’t won the league for a couple of years? Yeah, right.

    FC could also have been formed in 1999. Are you not aware that the idea was floated when Murdoch came sniffing? The point is, we won that particular battle. The further point is, as a plc, the Club became less and less responsive to fans’ issues (prices, standing, atmosphere, executive seats in the Stretford End anyone? etc) including having a chance to at least put some opinions before the Board. When Glazer took over, any idea of listening to the fans was dead in the water. Sit down, shut up and give us your cash, as much as we can get out of you. THAT is why the idea of FC appealed.

    You’re right about one thing, though, too many of YOU did absolutely sod all to protect the Club you profess to love so much. You know, the ‘Club’ that no longer exists. In case you hadn’t noticed, it is now a global sports brand. I shall always – always – be a fan of the team that wears the red and white colours of MUFC, but I shall never pledge my allegiance to a commercial brand. MY Manchester United is the United of Newton Heath, 1908, 1934, 1948, the Babes, Best, Law and Charlton, Eric. Not the brand of Gill and the Glazers.

  30. RedAlert260599 says:

    Scott, you are a t0sser. I use to like this website but it’s gone right down now. When did you join the self-righteous brothers?
    I’m a Manchester United fan, always have been, always will be. But I’m not having you or anybody else telling me how to support my team.
    I’m not a true Red because I also support FC? GTF!
    Stick to your NFL and leave the real football to someone who cares enough.

  31. Clammyhands says:

    “I, like most United fans, did sweet fuck all.”

    Good for you! Shows what a top red you must be that you think so little of your beloved club.

    Factually your piece is all over the place, in fact it’s so full of basic errors I simply can’t be mithered offering it anything other than a contemptuously sarcastic response. Put quite simply – you know nothing.

  32. Scott the Red says:

    Dave – I know very well FC could have formed before 1999. But it didn’t. It formed in 2005 when we’d had our worst season since 1989. Like I said in the article, the principles behind FC were more or less than before 2005, yet no one could be arsed to do anything about it until United were apparently “in decline”.

    RedAlert- where on earth did I tell you how to support your team? Point out the part in the article where I said you weren’t a proper red if you followed FC? Don’t get your fucking knickers in a twist over nowt. NFL? What the fuck you on about?

    Clammyhands – So only the people who joined SUAM can be considered as people who care about the club? I, like most United fans, never envisaged that we would actually be allowed to be taken over. That doesn’t mean I think so little of the club.

  33. George says:

    Ive never read such an amount of crap. Well youve acheived your aim, your getting the attention you were obviousely seeking. Why are you trying to cause a divide between reds. Some made their choice to walk away, some made there choice to stay. Manchester United FOOTBALL CLUB, could do without self styled top reds like you.

  34. Scott the Red says:

    George – I’m not trying to cause any divide. The divide is there. There are two football clubs now, we are divided. It’s not about attention seeking. I’ve got my opinion, you’ve got yours. I’m not calling you a bunch of cunts for having a different opinion to mine.

  35. Clammyhands says:

    And some of us at FC were actually supporting United back in 1989 – and we didn’t stop supporting then because we had a poor season, and we didn’t drift away in 2005 because we had a poor season either (nor in 1998 and 2002 when we also won precisely fuck all). Your frankly ludicrous premise that FC United supporters are glory seeking Johnny Come Latelies makes no sense to anyone with a modicum of itelligence.

    Try again, but this time put a bit of effort into your attempts at red one- upmanship.

  36. Scott the Red says:

    At no point did I say FC United were glory supporters (clearly if you’re after glory you’re not going to support a team from the very bottom that works it’s way up) rather if FC had been formed at the peak of United’s success, when prices were going up all the time and the money was going in to the pockets of McManus and Magnier’s pockets, then I’d have more time for it. It’s a lot easier to become disillusioned with the goings on of the club when they finish 3rd, win nothing, and are apparently in decline, than it is on the back of the Treble winning season.

  37. Clammyhands says:

    So you’re saying FC United is a good idea but the timing was all wrong? I’m surprised you’ve still got the nerve to reply as your piss-poor article has been so thoroughly debunked. Your credibility rating is zero – except in your own mind clearly.

  38. Scott the Red says:

    I find it odd that you have such a strong personal opinion of me, when you actually know fuck all about me. The fact that I have an opinion that is very different to yours doesn’t mean I believe my opinion is the only valid one. I don’t agree with thousands of fans turning their back on the club when we were at our lowest point in nearly two decades. Had they decided to do it out of principle in 2000, I imagine my feelings would be different. Not entirely different, but more sympathetic to the cause, yes.

    I’m more surprised that you keep coming back to my blog to respond to what I’ve got to say, again, odd behaviour considering you think so little of me and my opinion.

  39. Zutroy says:

    Scott, I don’t understand this “if they were formed after the treble season i’d have more respect for them” diatrabe. For once, let’s look at the facts shall we?

    By your logic, MUFC’s “worst season since 2005″ was in fact in 2002, when we also finished 3rd and won fuck all. We didn’t even have a cup final to fall back on. So why wasn’t FCUM formed back then?

    Also, if we’re so affected by the lack of success at Old Trafford, why are FCUM’s attendances this season currently at a higher average than this time last season, despite Manchester United becoming the Champions of England AND Europe in 2008? Shouldn’twe have all come crawling back by now?

    FC United is more than just about money and the cost of OT. As you said yourself in your own article, it’s more to do with the state of top-flight football across the country. The catylist for the club’s formation was obviously the Glazer takeover (which is why we formed in 2005, geddit?) but ask anyone at FC and there are a million reasons why we now prefer to watch football at non-league level, whilst still feeling art of the United family.

    Come along to an FC game one day Scott, meet some of the fans face-to-face and if you still have the same opinions as before after that, then so be it. At least this time you won’t have built them on hearsay and half-truths. Who knows, you might even enjoy yourself. Thousands of your fellow reds do every week.

  40. suhayl says:

    In life you sometimes have to make stand. The FC fans havent abandoned utd. Believe me they still adore utd…support utd….but they made a stand for they felt was right.

    I respect that. I tried my best in vain with them too to stop the takeover.

    I love my Man utd. And no matter gill glazers or whoever. That will never change. As the song goes…we’ll never die. No matter what will come…the red flag will keep flying high. i support the badge…that team because it is man utd.

    However i give my full support to FC too. I go to watch games etc. WHY? because they are still utd fans..because FC is not a seperate entity in my opinion.

    i like to see them as a little brother…a branch of the Man utd tree.

    Sometimes however futile in the end you have to make a stannd for what you believe. And i admire that.

    FCUM MUFC…..

    Many very apt and passionate comments on the topic…agree with so many guys.

  41. Ruudness says:

    Scott. Despite saying otherwise, you clearly think that FC was formed because United were “in decline”.

    Now if you were the “top red” you think you are you would not consider a mere two years without a Title “in decline”. I find your “about” page astonishing: “The blog was intended to reflect the more optimistic United fan, who didn’t feel as though we were dead and buried…despite going another year without winning the league”.

    Many of the people who watch FC United saw United go over twenty years without winning a title. These people didn’t lose interest or stop going because the team weren’t winning much. And I can guarantee none of them thought United were “dead and buried” after three years without a league title (three years which included three domestic cup finals).

    So you are wrong in a big way on two counts. Firstly, proper United fans wouldn’t consider United to be in decline in 2005. And secondly, such fans wouldn’t stop going even if United were in decline.

    The reason FC wasn’t formed in 1999 is that the hostile bid was defeated. It is not because United won the Treble. You say you would feel different if FC had been formed in 2000, but the only difference between 2000 and 2005 is that United won something in 2000.

    Surely not even you believe that a group of fans would drop nine divisions and watch Counties football just because United went a season without winning anything. So why would 2000 have been so different to 2005? Don’t you think the catalyst might have been the Glazer takeover, and not the absence of trophies?

    If you accept that is was the takeover that broke the camel’s back, then you can now understand why FC didn’t happen in 2000.

    An extremely poor article.

  42. DAVE BAKER says:

    We were born to support one team, and thats Manchester United, FC are worse than Manchester City fans, at least they support one team.

    Mr Walsh and Co, what a joke, leaving Manchester United, enough said.

  43. retrospect from new york says:

    at the time this might have seemed like a great article, but with the green and gold rebellion going on at OT FCUM seems like a brilliant idea. plus you might not like it but people are always gonna do what they want and there wont be anyone to stop them. viva FCUMUFCOSMOS

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