There was a bit of afters between Robin van Persie and Darren Fletcher during International week, as Scotland took on Holland in World Cup qualifying.
Van Persie was probably still feeling the hurt of Arsenal’s 2-1 defeat to United, particularly given that he scored a goal deep in to injury time which was rightly ruled out for offside.
Sir Alex Ferguson has been asked about Arsene Wenger’s comments about Darren Fletcher, with him claiming that our Scotsman made 20 fouls without getting booked (it was actually 6), to which of course our manager has responded in defence of his player.
“Darren Fletcher is one of the most honest and fairest players in the game,” said Ferguson. “Because he wins the ball and he does it fairly, that’s what has probably annoyed them. But that’s his job – that’s what he’s good at. He’s marvellous at pressing the ball, his energy is incredible. The other thing about Darren Fletcher he always seems to be man of the match against Arsenal. They seem to be the club that Darren seems to star against all the time.”
Arsenal would know all about dishonest midfielders though, given that there are no players who have received more red cards in the Premiership than their very own Patrick Vieira!
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theboogeyman,
Completely agree with you……He and Rooney are going to be the cornerstones of our success……
he’s getting compaired to keane for been a player who gets stuck in peoples faces and takes the game to the other team
but fletchers passing is the best part of his game
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maybe Fletcher was feeling hurt because van Persie’s team obliterated his World Cup dreams
There you go again. Wenger’s point was NOT about Fletcher at all. Are you people dense or what? Wenger’s point was that the referee didn’t handle the game well, evidenced by a player fouling again and again and not getting booked.
Which is a very fair point.
First, love the picture Scott. Whiney Gooner/Dutch boy going up against Darren. No contest obviously if they were behind the barn having a go!
D Fletch has come a very, very long way and I still think that he is not the finished product. Given his tenacity on the pitch and never say die attitude, I could easily see him being the captain of the squad….. some day. He is for his country. (I know, who cares about internationals!)
Trouble being that the rotation in the midfield would make that difficult unless he was always chosen and the rotating part was the other centre mid position. Don’t see why this can’t happen as it did with Keano always being chosen for that role.
It is apparent that with him out of the squad, we do not always have that “kick ‘em in the teeth” attitude that was sorely lacking at the CL Final. Already excited for the match tomorrow and to see what he is going to do to their mid now that Modric is missing. Should rip them up.
scott where do you get your pics
What on earth is the world coming to when the likes of a Fletcher is seen as a great player.
Well I guess he is good for annoying (fouling) players.
Is this what Man U has come to? get real.
Fergie actually said that this guy was a big loss in the CL Final! are you serious? lose Fletcher and you cant compete even though you have Rooney, Ronaldo and Giggs (now he is class)?
“Darren Fletcher is one of the most honest and fairest players in the game,”
This statement alone discredits Fergie! and they say Arsene is blind.
My gut is busting from laughing so hard! hee hee!!
Ole Gunner — Who was Arsene talking about then when he made his “anti-football” comments?
Paul — Kinda like how we were all laughing when Fletch owned both legs of the semi finals last year? Or when he destroyed you, scoring twice, in the FA cup a few years ago? Yes, those were both hilarious.
If the dazzla wasn’t a footballer, he would definitely be one of those hard ass Scottish bastards who is bent out of it on scag half the time a la trainspotting.
I <3 Fletcherinho!
Paul N – I can sense that you have made a judgement about our player based on one game, because a football supporter cannot come to the conclusion you have arrived at if he/she watches Fletcher play every week…
Paul N. Don’t be such a hater. Fletcherinho is pure class. He takes over the midfield with great defensive displays and opens up our offensive midfield by providing great passes. The only thing he might be lacking is a finishing touch, but that is not the reason he is on the field.
I think wenger was talking about the 20 fouls the ref didn’t give, like the arshavin pen decision
I think wenger was talking about the 20 fouls the ref didn’t give, like the arshavin pen decision.
That was a fair tackle, yeah right!
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Pure class? come on guys be serious, he is not great player, maybe a good squad player.
Rooney as much as he has no manners at all, is a nasty player and a diver is a wonderful talent. I call it as I see it.
Anyway a baby is always cute to their mother so I understand.
As far as the CL yes we were dusted by Man U but I would give that more to Ronaldo’s couple of goals and not Fletcher.
@Paul
For such a poor player he always seems to have a good game against your mob. My gut was busting wen diaby scored that cracker og.
What the fuck are you Arsenal cunts
1) Doing in a Man Utd forum?
2) even blabbering about??
WHO amongst your group of ‘talented youngsters’ are even close to what Daz is achieving right now? He’s a straight pick into the starting XI and unlike your ‘defensive midfielders’ (which include sissy cunts like Denilson,Song, Players who couldnt even win the ball from their gran-mummies) , Fletch busts his guts our for us and makes your midfielders look mediocre. He’s owned Arsenal’s midfield everytime he’s set out. Show some class and appreciate talent you big headed douche bags.
I never said he was poor I said he was not what you all and Fergie are making him out to be.
Will I agree with you that Diaby along with the good ole ref was Man U’s best players against Arsenal.
I give credit where it is due, that was an unstoppable header along with your Golden boy Fletchers obvious foul on Arshavin and hand ball, that and the inept refs decisions were the plays of the match.
Hey, how is that for being unbiased and honest?
Hey its all in fun, take it easy before you bust a blood vessel!
Its not like Man U fans dont it.
Spot on Fergie. This is how it feels to get back in the times when english teams played some british type of football. Don’t forget where you are, mister Wenger.
Oh, ok…So Fletcher’s foul and the referees performance were the ONLY reasons why Arsenal lost?? Your team had more than enough time to score and kill the game off, but did not have enough firepower and hunger to do so. Why do Arsenal fans always have to sound like victims of some conspiracy?? All this moaning and complaining is just a manifestation of the frustration Arsenal fans face as their team hasnt won shite in 5 years. Your team lost, because they couldn’t kill the game off. Period. If only you could be insightful enough to ponder on that rather than come up with reasons. Tch Tch.
Drew Vader,
Wenger’s point wasn’t personal. He wasn’t moaning about Fletcher, and he didn’t even mention Fletcher’s name. His point was that the referee allowed perpetual fouling.
That’s all.
My feelings towards Fletch have gone full cirlce from being the easy scapegoat in our “shit” period this decade to being one of my favourite players!
Well done Fletch getting into those gooners the other week and let’s hope there is much more to come!
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No idea what the fk that is at the end of my last post….copy and paste strikes again!
Paul N- we really understand what u gettin at. refs, pitch, floodlights, announcer, stewards, ball boys, fletch etc all gets the blame weneva u lost!!
Face it Paul, your team is packed with a load of lame dick players who got swallowed n eaten alive by e champions. Every teams gonna come n hit u so hard arse’s gonna complain all season long. Just a bunch of babies who lacks character, no warriors, no fearless character n pls dont embarass yourself anymore in this forum. fuck off n start thinkin bout dealin with ADE!!!!
Redhot, I see you have been takin english lessons from Rooney.
No bottle, its was the bias ref and Diaby’s brilliant header.
Ole, whats up!
paul N- if your going to comment on this site plse refrain from sayin man u!
What should I say, staffred? easiest way of saying it.
Redhot: You can’t honestly say that Assenal was “eaten alive by champions” last week? It’s was a poor game and we’re lucky we won it. Sure Assenal didn’t come through and killed it off when they had the chance but it was pure luck that they scored an (unbelivable) own goal.
That said I can only applaude Fletch ’cause he was truely m.o.m. against the Londoneeeers. Can’t say that he kept on fouling ’cause the ref didn’t see a problem with it… hence it’s not a foul. I think that we need him in the team as a starter and rotate carrick/anderson/giggs/scholes in front. (and with that said I think Anderson should be played UP the field!!!)
@Paul
Yes of course arsenal never get any decisions, every1′s against ya’s. How’s diaby not in the french team wiv headers like that.
Paul N…. you must be a Manchester United fan yes? as you seem to spend a lot of time on a United site… or you must be very sick from all them sour grapes your still eating….. young fletcher would walk onto your gooner team….
You got it Mop!
willernut, I question that about Diaby myself.
walk onto the Arsenal team? now that is plain stupid, no disrespect.
paul N say man utd,utd,anything but man u,its a disrespectfull term used by other fans to mock us about the munich!
staffred – Well said.
Paul N – Watch your mouth or get off the forum.
Ole Gunner — fair enough.
Paul — Ronaldo didn’t score in the first leg at OT. He didn’t even really play that well. But I think its safe to say, absent any bias, the United midfield dominated the match that day. And Fletch was everywhere.
Paul — Of course we have our biases for our own team, but I would take Fletch over Denilson any day of the week. And Denilson is a starter for you lot isn’t he? So, I think it would be worth a discussion as to whether Fletch could play for the gunners. But, I agree that “walking” into the side would be a bit of an exageration.
And I agree with the “no bottle” from the gunners this last week. They had plenty of time, I think around 20 mins at least, to get things level again after agent Diaby put us ahead. But Foster didn’t have a save to make. Yes Diaby burst through almost immediately after the restart, but he put it wide. After that??? Foster was a spectator and the gunners created nothing. (except of course when you put the ball in the net on 94 mins. Speaking of which, where the f did 5 mins of injury time come from??)
Rax?
Staffred, I never meant it to be disresptful that is why I asked you. That is not my style bro. I am here in good spirits, very sorry about that.
I dont rate Fletcher as highly as you guys do but I guess you all do not rate Arsenal players that I do/ I mean you even have Arsenal fans saying Denilson is not good enough irregardless of how massive he plays. Thats life.
Fuck Pansy Van Persie……the knobhead should stick to bumming Wenger…. give the prat summat to moan at……’Not like that Robbing, I want it like dis…..
The more Arsene speaks abt Fletcher, the better he will be. Bring on the match on Jan 30th at the Emirates! We’ll do the double over them yet.
Thanks DV, very rational comments about Denilson/Fletcher.
However please dont act as if it was a walk in the park for you guys after Diaby’s header. I remember sed Diaby dragging a shot slighly wide and Gallas being offside when RVP scored, did you forget?
If you are honest you will admit that 2 Arsenal mistakes gave you guys the game, well along with the ref as usual as Old Trafford. Not being Facetious at all.
@ Mikael – It may have been ‘luck’ with the own goal but a few things keep getting forgotten:
1) We had already equalised before it. These idiots keep talking like they deserved to win… Not a chance. 1 point at best.
2) It’s not United’s fault, nor is it the referee’s fault, nor is it anyone else’s fault; that Almunia lost the plot, Van Persie couldn’t finish from 4 yards out, and that Diaby can’t head over.
3) They fell apart after our second, which is probably the most important point. Berba and Nani should’ve buried one each after Diaby’s ‘brilliant’ header.
They showed that they are completely devoid of any PL winning material. We came from behind and won. They went behind and caved.
Yeah his hunger against arsenal is like Kevin Pietersen’s against south africa! Still love that awesome position he got himself in to score against the gunners at OT..
Paul — ummm no i obviously didn’t forget since I mentioned BOTH of those incidents in my 3rd post up there!! But that really is it though man. You threw on multiple strikers in search of the win but never really caused much danger.
And give me a break with the “as usual at OT” bullshit. As usual, like last year when Ade slapped the ball into the net. Or the year before when Eboue saved with his hands on the line. Or the FA cup match where the ref didn’t send off Gallas for intentionally kicking Nani. Or hell, even this game where the officials gave you lot 5 mins of injury time that materialized out of fucking no where.
I see guys playing United goals down, oh IF Diaby haven’t headed that ball, or IF Rooney didn’t dive (yes, some still think this way). But what about Arshavin’s goal, we could say that IF Foster were more confident in the ball there would be a draw.
Always IF, always what’s could’ve been. Enough of this already. If your mama had a mustache, than you would have two dads.
Arsenal lost. Fletcher was one of United best players, and Arsenal fans shouldn’t forget how he kicks their butts every game. Simple as that. Class player, that had a monumental evolution in the past years.
Rax, that statement is pure “ifs”. Yes it was Arsenal mistakes and its not your fault but as far what Berba and Nanny shouldve done is a one way street. You have forgotten that Fletcher shouldnt even be on the feild before any of this took place along with RVP cross bar and I would say brilliant save from your Golie to Deny him. Also as I have said Diaby came close to scoring after his own goal, he shouldve buried that also.
You guys won the game, congrats and Arsenal have themselves to blame above all else as we were clearly the better team.
What I would like to say is that the many biased ref decisions that go your way may not take the wins away but that doesnt make them fair of right.
You may not admit to it but I have been watching it for years. You just have to look at your penalty ratio last year and you will see that something is definately out of wack.
Be good all!
can someone explain to me why all Arsenal fans console themselves with all this “we were the better team” what does that even mean? you lost!
How can you be the better team when your players forget what team they are even on and blast the ball into your own net! Or maybe Diaby wants to join United
the elitist attitude of Arsenal fans make me weary
DV, Fletcher didnt control jack! It was song who controlled the game. You were given a win and now you are biting the hand that fed you. how ungrateful.
paul n chats some shite
better team? how? who had the most possesion? us.
who had more shots? equal.
corners??
flecther > your whole midfielder
darren flecther – football genious.
Paul N – Van Persie hit the bar with a cross. Are you seriously trying to convince anyone it was a shot?
At what point in my statement did I use an “if”? I said Berba and Nani should have scored. But before you take this down an unnecessarily semantic road remember we were leading regardless.
PS: You annoy United fans by ‘unknowingly’ insult us. And you attempt to score petty points by insulting RedHot’s use of language. Try reading what we’ve written, and adding some grammar to your own posts before you spout your unctuous bullshit.
The Truth is no matter how many good displays Fletcher has against Arsenal, he will never be a world class player! Nani and Anderson have a chance of being one but not Fletcher…
How Paul’s wishin Fletch is on his side…look how crocked his midfielders are!! song-wtf, denilson-who?,ashavin-just fuckd e gaffer’s wish, rosicky-it’s in e name, eboue-class act, abou-lost..come on!! he got no fuckin class act in e middle!! cesc? fletch swallowed him too.
ps. i rather have wazza’s english den havin characters like dudu n eboue who cheats for a living!!
Paul N – Fuck off you ignorant cockney cunt. How is Fletch just a “good squad player”. Maybe 3 seasons ago but Dazza is now the best “box to box” midfielder in Britain. How your bunch of softys in the middle of the park would love him!
Paul N – “Ole whats up”. Please don’t come onto a United site to socialise with your cockney friends. By the same token stop calling us “Man U”. Thanks.
like most of the people here i used to think fletcher was shite a few years back. now i think he’s the lynchpin that holds our midfield togther. yes, everybody’s entitled to their own opinion, but honestly watch fletcher play a few games and you’ll be able to see the influence he has. he exudes confidence, and while he’s strong in the tackle he doesn’t quite commit as many fouls as everyone thinks. and more than being just a ball winner he does bring a genuine attacking threat and is often heavily involved in the build up before a goal. yes, his finishing leaves much to be desired and i can think of a couple of times this season where he missed sitters but it doesn’t take away from the fact that he’s an excellent player. while he wouldn’t quite walk into the arsenal team, i think he’d bring a bite to your midfield thats been missing since viera left and his presence in the arsenal team would bring a lot of stability and energy thats been missing.
also, before anyone spouts anymore old trafford penalty bullshit, this is the number of penalties the traditional “big four” have conceded at home in the last 5 seasons (taken from a martin tyler column on skysports.com)
Team Conceded (Home)
Arsenal 4
Chelsea 3
Liverpool 3
Man Utd 5
i don’t see a bias anywhere.
Paul N – My apologies regarding “Man U”. I didn’t have time to read ALL the posts, in which you cleared that up.
Finally (I should have put this in ONE post) how do Arsenal fans feel , knowing that Arshavin chose to play for his country even though he was carrying a groin injury and will now be out for 3 weeks?
King Eric,I said the same thing in the first comment on this topic.The problem is that many people haven’t seen his improvement and only remember the shit Fletcher.
Nice one,King Eric,a quadruple post!
Paul you have the best football side in the world. Beautiful football too.
For everyone else football is about winning trophies. That takes a different skill altogether. The best example on that is how many trophies sit on Fabregas mantle versus on Fletcher’s.
5 years and fuck all. Continue being such a know it all you gooners it really works out well for us. You are not even among our 2 closest contenders any more. Refs fault?
@King Eric is on a roll.
Denilson better than Fletcherinho, LMFAO
I don’t know why fans of other clubs come here. Is it so dull where they come from. Really? Anyway I don’t bother with such. On the topic. Fletcher indeed has come in leaps and bounds. That’s the true definition of hard work and determination mixed together with ability. What bravery, focus and inner strength. Right before our eyes. I pride myself with supporting players thru tough times but I can’t lie and say I was his advocate. Used to hate it when he was selected. Usually at the expense of the talented but highly inconsistent Ronaldo. I would scream everytime I saw his name in the first eleven. What a serving of humble pie. Don’t forget that he was part of the crew openly ridiculed by Roy Keane. He rose above it and continued to have faith
As an Arsenal fan I wish we had a player with his determination and strength. He plays well against us because he is the player who gets at the midfield the most, chases us down and breaks up our play. Especially since he was such a lightweight a few seasons ago, his improvement is great.
HEY ARSENAL FANS WHO THINK FLETCH IS SHIT
LISTEN TO JONNY
Anyone who thinks he’s shit is clueless. He’s not the most technically gifted but what he contributes to the team is vitally important. I think the Champions League final last season would’ve been a very different story if Fletcher had been there, Iniesta and Xavi would’ve been shut down.
Well said Jonny!
The 1st reasonable Arsenal fan i’ve seen in a very long time
Wazza and theboogeyman – cheers lads. the boogeyman I hope you don’t think I was copying your “best box to box midfielder” line. I have been saying a similar thing for a while.
bryan and Sunny – great posts.
Jaywire – He was one of those ridiculed by Keano but since then Keane has praised Fletch and rightly so.
Lets not forget Fletcherino has learned from the best in Scholesy and Keano.
Jonny – cheers. An honest view.
Guys, the match has passed. We won. End of!
King Eric-No way would I say you were copying me.I know you’ve been saying for a long time.If anything,I would be copying you.I have been saying that a lot to many of my Arsenal supporting friends,one of whom thinks Fletcher’s shit,thinks Berba is shit,thinks Nani,Valencia,Park,Anderson and Brown and a lot more of our players are all shit and that Chelsea will win the league this year and we will finish 4th.What a freaking idiot.
Anyway,I don’t think you copied me and hope you don’t think I nicked that line off you in the first place.
theboogeyman – Morning. No not at all mate. We BOTH agree Fletch is the best box to box midfielder in Britain.
Exactly.Fletcherinho is the best box to box midfielder in Britain.In the world,too,in my opinion.
Afternoon.
This is really a masterpiece of a picture! I can now say that our young Fletch is in the same mould of the Great Keano!
PAUL N
Too pissed to digest some of your comments on Fletcher but I’ll call you an arsehole and we’ll leave it at that.