Sir Alex Ferguson was singing the praises of Danny Welbeck at his press conference today, although suggests the great attitude this local youngster has should be the norm at our club.
Whilst not naming Ravel Morrison, it could be interpreted as a dig at the troublesome youngster, whose poor attitude has almost put an end to his Manchester United career.
“He has a good attitude, although he should have, he’s a young player with an opportunity at Manchester United,” said Ferguson. “That’s one of the reasons you pick these players, because they show their temperament as they come through the youth programmes and the reserves. I am always confident about their temperament, their attitude to the game and their enthusiasm to play. In terms of judging young players, I don’t think we’ve ever failed in that respect.”
Or maybe the manager is intending to use to motivate Morrison?
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Ravel Morrison is our young player. Please note Scott the Red’s tone in this thread.
Let’s not hurl any abuse at our players.
I too wondered if Sir Alex was also motivating Ravel. I believe he is.
I also believe that Ravel has every intention of staying, and that the Club expects him to stay.
Who knows?
Morrison is our young player, but before you can help any player or person, they have to be able to help themselves first. In this case with Morrison, if he can’t see the opportunity given to him and understand what discipline and focus is, he’ll be out.
SAF changed the drink and reckless lifestyle/culture at United well before Morrison was even born…you think SAF will let Morrison become the next Joey Barton under his watch?
SmartAlex … g’day mate! I hope it works with Morrison — and for Morrison too. I also read it as a motivational tactic by SAF.
(SmartAlex: Hey, a while back you asked for my email addy. I left it for you in a thread, just wondering if you actually got it. Cheers mate!)
Oops, I meant: I hope it works OUT with Morrison, and for Morrison too.
(This is what happens when one tries to be clever with words before the day’s first coffee!)
It seems this kid has the talent but a very questionable attitude! If he thinks he’s already made it, he should think again. If he can’t get his head round how lucky he is to be at such a club and playing for such a manager, well he never will! i
Who gives a shit about Morrison, I’m more of a Sainsburys fan.
I don’t know if Ravel has an attitude problem, if he has, he needs to drop it. There is nothing great about having potential and turning into a Gazza. I love Gazza, but he wasted most of his talent and look at him now. You only have a short time as a footballer, so use it, don’t lose it. There are too many wasters and cling on’s, just waiting to suck the life out of a player and his money. They usually call themselves “mates”, but mates wouldn’t stop you from fulfilling your potential and wouldn’t distract you.
smashley
The problem is our noisy neighbours can offer him Big Money and I’m certain he’s been tapped up or his agent has.
Donovan now with 2 beautiful crosses from the right side leading to 2 assists, Everton 2 – Fulham 1 with 17 to go.
All this attention this young lad is getting is becoming tiresome. Never seen him in action yet I hear great reviews on him. What ever the outcome I am sure the boss will make the right call
James21 … well, if that’s true, and if Shitty offer huge money, and Morrison accepts it, then I would say that’s an attitude problem right there.
Sadly the lights are on but no one’s home as far as Morrison is concerned.
He shows enormous talent on the pitch when he plays but if he can’t be bothered to show up for training and he keeps up with the immaturity then he can piss off and waste his talent away whereever he wants. I hope that’s not the case but you can lead a horse to water and all that… if it happens United will be just fine either way, can’t say the same thing for him.
Stateside
Young lad and probably gets brainwashed by his agent. He’ll want his 20% cut.
Cedars
I’ve not seen him much. Its alright him doing it in the reserves but can he make the step up? If he stays I really hope he’s worth it.
Not dig imo. Just praising Danny. Which he deserves. The lads on great scoring form atm. Ravel has his own destiny in his hands. Up to him what he decides on. If he stays at United, he could become a legend.
StatesideAussie – Howzit boet!
Ha Ha Ha ! ! ! Best I be careful, lest my Australian friend mistakes me for a ‘dutchman’, Springbok pennant in hand, comb in sock, green safari suit bursting with pride!
Everyone wants Morrison to make the right choice, especially Sir Alex. Let’s hope!
I did save your addy, thanks! I will make a social call to your inbox, so that you have mine.
I asked for your address before I needed it! I’ll mail you when I arrive in Oz!
Just kidding, I’m a long way from my next holiday, and although I loved Australia, there are other places that I should chose when I next go anywhere. Old Trafford, for example.
I do want to discuss some longer-term ideas that I have, which inspired me to ask for it.
That letter will arrive in due course, likely to be early March.
Oooh … the anticipation … tell me please …!
Nah, it’s not that exciting, don’t get your hopes up.
Pass the beers then, and stop gabbing.
Cheers!
disagree with you smartalex,because he is young he shouldn t behave this way,he must be focused on playing football,and prove himself,yes i am with you that we should not abuse him,but clearly sir alex is not happy with him,i doubt fergie will give him another chance
there are plenty of young talent at united and around the world who are dreaming of wearing our shirt
no regrets if he leave,wish him all best
Costas … like I said, I hope it works out. But yes, one has to wonder. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink, etc. I was greatly concerned by recent reports of his absences from training and his attitude when he does show up, and the response of his trainers who have stopped talking to him. I don’t know if those reports are true; they might not be. I hope they aren’t. But if that is this stage it’s gotten to, then it’s hard to be optimistic about the outcome. His previous difficulties with the law could, I think, be excused or explained by his upbringing, his youth, and bad influences around him, fueled of course by his embryonic celebrity. It was all regrettable, but the club stood by him and, since this extraordinary club is run by a manager whose record with manging youth players is second to none, that meant there had to be some confidence things would sort themselves out.
But if there’s any foundation to those stories about him repeatedly missing training (more than once, anyway), and when he does show up, being an asshole to the extent that the coaches have essentially given up, then I am afraid it may be all over for him at United. And if he leaves this club, I fear his path will be all downhill. Any footballer will tell you that there’s no way to step up when you leave United. In Morrison’s case, it is potentially so much worse. He would deny himself the opportunity to benefit from the “cruel tutelage of SAF” (I can’t resist the temptation to draw a parallel to Tarantino’s masterful kung fu master Pai Mei). It would be bad enough, if he just left and went to a “ordinary” club run by some “ordinary” manager (pick one, there’s plenty to choose from). But I can’t avoid the suspicion that his life would then be run (or ruined) by second-rate fixers and greed-mongers, and that can only spell disaster for him personally.
Let us hope that commonsense prevails.
iced earth
What is it that you disagree with me about?
My comb in my sock? I like to keep it ready.
SmartAlex … no worries, whenever you’re ready, mate.
I have missed the last few United matches, since I am still at mum’s place and she doesn’t have the necessary cable access. However, I have fixed the internet feed, and have found a reliable source for today’s match against the Dippers, thankfully. Any team news yet?
StatesideAussie – watching on live on-line can be a nightmare. Try to get a local provider.
I suppose that the Gold Coast has decent internet, not so much where I live!
Team news is that Evra is captain.
Oh, also we will have 11 players, with hopefully only one of our keepers starting.
Other than that, your guess is as good as anyone’s.
smartalex,
it s about ravel want to staying with us,if i am not wrong he want to leave for who give him more money
James
Book our flights to lebenon. We have been thrown the gauntlet!
Flying past the ROM
One month or so away
I’d like my friends religious or not to keep me in their prayers we’ve just had some really shit news and it’s scary – don’t want to go into it it is to do with the other half – just need a little pick me up been a tough 24 hours – I wouldn’t want to never ask anyone else before coming here.
Despite everything that we at times may go through their is friendship mutual respect and genuine intensity here unrivalled
Thank you for lighting a way
Got to go
For United
19
SmartAlex … yeah, I upgraded mum’s internet service, and have a paid feed through Setanta, so it should be OK. Better than nothing anyway. It’s years since I missed a single United match, and I can’t stand it. It will be on late tonight here. I should be well drunk by then. That way, if we win, I can stay up to the wee hours and party on; whereas if we lose, I will be well placed to obliterate the memory in a gush of XXXX bitter.
Ravel’s a moron. He needs a daily punch to the head
Viva MG
Nice to see you pop in mate.
smartalex
Don’t worry I think sachu likes your comb.
M19ke
Is that a Challenge from the 6ft 4in Lebanese lightwieght.
MG
Great to see you on here, sorry to hear you’re having a tough time….remember…
Life is mostly froth and bubble,
Two things stand like stone,
Kindness in another’s trouble,
Courage in your own.
Be strong and courageous in your troubled times, but remember you have friends to help you through them too.
James
That’s the fella, the huge lightweight….lebenon-alcoholic Cider!!
I would like to know the contract situation of Paul Pogba, I thought he is now feel to talk to any club? and I think we need to give Morrison another chance to sort himself out, great talent but too much inmaturity.
Viva MG!
You and your family are in my prayers. Please keep us close, with the occasional greeting.
God bless your partner, and your life.
StatesideAussie, we haven’t lost a match in living memory!
The brain shuts down when you’re dead drunk.
Winning is a very real possibility, our players will be up for it, more than any game for years.
When was our last grudge match? They used to happen regularly with Vieira and Co.
his attitude isn’t the end of the world. Its been like a mini hurricane since his negations with the club became public, but i’d urge a step back from fans. too much abuse has been hurled around. If he see’s his path with United and SAF keeps him, it’ll be great, If not,tough shit.
I have nominated him as the heir to the vacant No.11 slot, he’s actually much closer to the first team than he thinks. Like Phil Jones,you see a British lad who’s got that something extra to take the game of football on
iced earth – Ravel might go. He has a path to follow. I think he will buckle down.
I doubt that his behavior is as bad as we are being led to believe.
James21 – he cannot resist my sweet nectar, and is drawn to my honeycomb like the proverbial moth seeking fiery enlightenment. Round 5, or is it 6? So many names I can’t keep up.
The Secret Footballer is always a great read.
“The intensity of some derby matches has to be experienced to be believed as the fans’ passion get to the players. You do get a buzz when beer bottles hit the bus”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jan/27/the-secret-footballer-derby-matches?newsfeed=true
ex goal .com
Hannover sporting director Jorg Schmadtke has announced that his side have struck an agreement with Manchester United over a loan deal for Mame Biram Diouf.
The Senegalese forward was spotted in the AWD-Arena stands in Hannover’s 1-0 victory against Nurnberg on Friday and a loan move is now subject to the 24-year-old agreeing personal terms with the Bundesliga outfit and passing a medical.
“We have an agreement with Manchester United,” Schmadtke told Sky Germany. “Now, the player must give us his okay.”
Good to hear that Fletcherinho is coaching kids in pace of scholesy..
also the Smudge joins League 1 MK Dons…wish him luck
Been a donkey number of years since i last posted, but been a regular reader. however, i think people are being mislead into believing Morrison’s attitudes is extremely bad.. the media love exaggerating shit, look at the daily fail for a simple example. i’m not saying he isn’t a bit messed in the head, cos he obviously is, but i don’t think he’s quite that bad. & i just really hope SAF can work his magic on the lad ! imagine in 5 years time.. welbeck up top, with morrison playing just behind him.. Cleverly & Tunni (& maybe Pogba/Petrucci aswel) as the midfield pairing (or trio). Amazing. then you’ve got a defence of smalling evans da silva twins & DDS in goal !!!
Oh well, we can all dream..
Hello everyone.
MG
I wasn’t going to post tonight , but, having read your words i’d like you to know you will be included in my prayers.
Whatever the challenge is, find the strength my friend.
The ultimate outcome may or may not be in your hands, how you choose to cope and handle the challenge, is .
Trust yourself to find the right way to deal with the circumstances you and your partner find yourselves in.
Bless.
@smartalex Was a wonderful read. However, i disagree wholeheartedly with the final sentence.. Evra Will Not Walk Alone. He’ll have the whole of Manchester behind him !
ex Daily Mail
“You have to recognise that Manchester City has become more than it ever was in terms of the intensity of the games,” said Sir Alex. “There may come a time when we won’t be able to separate the two. But, at the moment, Liverpool is still the one. Even the neutral would look upon this as the biggest so far. Just look at the interest. It’s quite unparallelled.”
Liverpool – and probably Suarez – face a Premier League trip to Old Trafford in a fortnight.
Sir Alex threw another scenario into the mix. “It’s interesting, there could be a replay,” he said with a smile. “You never know. That would get the FA going!”
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Over the past 36 hours, Gerrard, Dalglish, LFC board members, Alan Hansen and other pundits have been using similar phrases like:
- Rivalry exists and is good
- Players and fans have a duty
- Game must be remembered for footballing reasons
Sir Alex has also used similar phrasing
The FA addressed all parties 48 hours ago. I wonder if they handed out hymn-sheets?
Sir Alex reckons a replay would “get the FA going!” so I reckon they must be in a right tizz!
smartalex
thank s for the news about diouf
what about pig?
should let theme go
diouf loaned but doubt can fight for first team at united when he return,we have 2 great young striker already
wellbek is some player he will be one of the best in the world in 2to 3 years
RedAllTheWay – I also was jarred by that ending. I suppose that Evra will bear the brunt of it, but there will be 5½ thousand people (among the 40 odd thousand) that will marry hearts with him from the touchline.
Our captain has heart. He will prevail.
@smartalex Evra will get through ! i think he will find solace in the fact that the Scousers will show themselves up if they even whistle at him once ! what kind of supporters abuse someone, not because they cheated on their wife, or want to leave their club, or are even greedy fucks, but because they have been racially abused ? tbh, i think it’s the clubs fault, and most importantly Dogleashes. how can you come out to your supporters and protect a racist cunt like that ? & when their fans do act like assholes, the rest of the world will see what a low lieing piece of scum they really are ! from the top down !
& people used to think their supporters are the best..
ex Daily Mail – Neil Ashton
Chelsea’s players have spent the last six days in Majorca, a chance for the young Portuguese coach to drain some of the tension after a turbulent start to his career with the club.
There were still signs of the paranoia that has gripped Villas-Boas since he replaced Carlo Ancelotti, with sheets placed over holes in the fence at the training centre. There wasn’t a QPR scout in sight, but three sides of the complex at Antonio Asensio were sealed off with guards grunting at a sprinkling of Chelsea supporters.
Fortunately they ran out of security tape, with a dust track leading to a handy vantage point, perfect for spying on Chelsea’s preparations for the FA Cup fourth-round tie at Loftus Road. From there it was possible to watch Villas-Boas’s work at close hand, as he moved cones to the very millimetre to make sure they were in the correct position.
RedAllTheWay – LFC have responded disgracefully. Now they appeal for calm.
Will their supporters listen? For many it is too late.
But Evra will turn their hate on it’s head.
Smartalex
Aha… I mentioned the Hannover deal earlier in the week in the same post that I mentioned there was absolutely no problems with Welbecks contract. I wish Diouf luck.
Theres lots of rumours flying around young Morrison and Pogba. It seems these agents are getting the better of them. Its clear they are both talented lads but as we all know Fergie wont put up with there attitudes. It would be such a shame if they dont put football first and look to the future rather than money. I really hope they see the light. Its clear Fergie likes both of these as he only has praise for them and he has involved both players so far this season. Us fans have been screaming out for Sneijder but clearly Fergie has young talent in his sights. Theres room for both these players in our team and its up to them to be patient and take there chances to impress when given like Welbeck has done.
Top article in FT, here is an edited slice that refers to United:
In Soccernomics, Szymanski showed that players largely earn what they are worth, judged by their contribution to their teams’ performance. He found that the size of each English club’s wage bill (taking data from 1978 to 2010) largely explained where the club finished in the league. The club that paid the highest wages typically came top; the club that paid least came last. The correlation between players’ wages and league position was about 90 per cent, if you took each club’s average over about 15 years.
If players’ wages determine results, it follows that everything else – including the manager – is just noise. Most managers are not very relevant. In the long run, they will achieve almost exactly the league positions that their players’ wages would predict.
Still, there is an important caveat. Players’ wages don’t explain everything – merely almost everything at most clubs. That leaves room for a few good managers to make a difference. The question then is: which managers finish consistently higher with their teams than you would expect given their wage bills?
Szymanski has tried to answer that question. He analysed the financial accounts of four-fifths of English professional clubs from 1973 to 2010, and identified the managers who consistently overachieved. These men are the elite.
A manager in League Two who has the 90th smallest budget in England but manages to finish 80th nationwide is overachieving. However, a manager with the third-highest budget in England who wins the Premier League is probably overachieving even more. At football’s summit, competition is fiercer, the amount of money typically required to jump places is higher.
The Premier League has 20 clubs, so the average club spends 5 per cent of the division’s total wages. Manchester United are always above that 5-per cent line, but for years they weren’t very far above it. In 1995/1996, for instance, they spent just 5.8 per cent of the Premier League’s total wages but won the title. From 1991 to 2000, United’s average league position was 1.8 (ie somewhere between first and second spot) and yet in that decade the club spent only 6.8 per cent of the division’s wage bill. Ferguson was getting immense bang for his buck.
Ferguson continued to overachieve relative to his wage bill in the 2000s. Admittedly, his over-performance diminished. From 2001 to 2010 United’s average league position was again 1.8, but in this decade he spent nearly 9 per cent of the Premier League’s total on wages. No wonder, because life had become ever more competitive at the top, with Chelsea and Manchester City getting shots of oil money and Arsenal and Liverpool receiving ever more income from the Champions League.
The sums that Ferguson requires to dominate seem still to be rising. In 2010, the last year in Szymanski’s database, United’s share of the Premier League’s wage bill peaked at just over 10 per cent. Yet even that wasn’t outsize. Manchester City were spending about the same proportion, while Chelsea accounted for 14 per cent of the Premier League’s total outlay on wages from 2004 to 2010. That’s the largest share for any top-division club in the 37 years of Szymanski’s database. Other teams, too, had exceeded 10 per cent of the division’s total spending before. In short, Ferguson is a phenomenon.
More at:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/f340caae-47cd-11e1-b646-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1khlNCkKq
ps I know it’s long, but it’s rock solid with great thrust. Take your time.
“Dimitar Berbatov is the one who is being ignored by everyone but he will always give you something different.”
- Sir Alex Fergie
a BIG lol an funny insult & compliment rolled into one spring roll
Mg, ive posted twice in two years but read every article. Your eloquent way of describing the club i love is always a pleasure. Don’t know you from adam but my thoughts are with you. Remember the great words associated with our club, dream, passion. B.E.L.I.E.V.E.
MarkOWire @0:59: Swap Pogba and Morrison for Jack Wilshere -two guys who won’t play for one guy who can’t play.
Mikekelly12 – Diouf will make cash hannover fist in germany.
When’s the hannover ceremony?
Sir Alex says:
“The team that won the FA Youth Cup last year were almost all local boys and they’re all starting to emerge in their own different ways. In 1992, that group got into the first team at more or less the same time and managed to stay in it.”
“That’s the big test for these young players.”
this is a plea to ravel .get a grip sit down with sir alex sort it out wat ever it takes yes you have talent a blind man could see that but its not talent is the problem its your lifestyle .im not saying change your friends but have a look who is stoping you from getting reserve football to first team football its only you can change know1 else im watching you since that chelsea game when you were 15 didnt miss a game since im talking you up to any1 that asks me is there good players at united i just say yes ravel morrison a very big talent if he keeps on the straight and narrow he can become a monster in football best of look in your carer where ever that is son.
Fuck Pogba and Morrison – trade them both for Oxlade Chamberlain and bring back Tunnicliffe (give him $35Kper week – right attitude and wears the shirt)
Two traitorous twats who do not know from which side their Monsanto tainted bread is buttered
SAF will chew them up and spit em out – he’s knows!
Now lets do the fucking scouse on the morrow – eat them up and spit them out
COME ON YOU REDS #12
UNITED20/12 -2012 (and maybe the Europa Cup)
and let’s hope we see something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYiO7PoCZyY
Samrt Alex – (obviously you are misnamed or very gullible to believe “statistics”- winning has fuck all to do with anything other than what is on the park – so what was Uniteds wage bill in 1999 v the rest of the planet) also some things to consider about statistics (no doubt you are an acturial genius ans well as “smart”)
Torture numbers, and they’ll confess to anything. ~Gregg Easterbrook
98% of all statistics are made up. ~Author Unknown
Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. ~Aaron Levenstein
Say you were standing with one foot in the oven and one foot in an ice bucket. According to the percentage people, you should be perfectly comfortable. ~Bobby Bragan, 1963
Statistics can be made to prove anything – even the truth. ~Author Unknown
Statistics are human beings with the tears wiped off. ~Paul Brodeur, Outrageous Misconduct
Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable. ~Author Unknown
Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. ~Author Unknown
He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts – for support rather than for illumination. ~Andrew Lang
One more fagot of these adamantine bandages is the new science of Statistics. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
Statistics are like women; mirrors of purest virtue and truth, or like whores to use as one pleases. ~Theodor Billroth
Do not put your faith in what statistics say until you have carefully considered what they do not say. ~William W. Watt
Then there is the man who drowned crossing a stream with an average depth of six inches. ~W.I.E. Gates
There are two kinds of statistics, the kind you look up and the kind you make up. ~Rex Stout, Death of a Doxy
I always find that statistics are hard to swallow and impossible to digest. The only one I can ever remember is that if all the people who go to sleep in church were laid end to end they would be a lot more comfortable. ~Mrs. Robert A. Taft
Satan delights equally in statistics and in quoting scripture…. ~H.G. Wells, The Undying Fire
The average human has one breast and one testicle. ~Des McHale
While the individual man is an insoluble puzzle, in the aggregate he becomes a mathematical certainty. You can, for example, never foretell what any one man will be up to, but you can say with precision what an average number will be up to. Individuals vary, but percentages remain constant. So says the statistician. ~Arthur Conan Doyle
A statistical analysis, properly conducted, is a delicate dissection of uncertainties, a surgery of suppositions. ~M.J. Moroney
Statistics may be defined as “a body of methods for making wise decisions in the face of uncertainty.” ~W.A. Wallis
After all, facts are facts, and although we may quote one to another with a chuckle the words of the Wise Statesman, “Lies – damned lies – and statistics,” still there are some easy figures the simplest must understand, and the astutest cannot wriggle out of. ~Leonard Courtney, speech, August 1895, New York, “To My Fellow-Disciples at Saratoga Springs,” printed in The National Review (London, 1895) (Thanks, Mark)
Figures often beguile me, particularly when I have the arranging of them myself; in which case the remark attributed to Disraeli would often apply with justice and force: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” ~Mark Twain, autobiography, 1904 (but, as yet no actual record of this under Disraeli’s authorship)
The theory of probabilities is at bottom nothing but common sense reduced to calculus. ~Laplace, Théorie analytique des probabilités, 1820
I abhor averages. I like the individual case. A man may have six meals one day and none the next, making an average of three meals per day, but that is not a good way to live. ~Louis D. Brandeis
I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone – the chances that all the functions of an individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity. ~George Gallup
and Morrison is still a bullying cunt – let him show he wears the shirt, let him show to the club he is man and he will get a game- and fuck off to his agent as well
UNITED20/12 -2012 (and maybe the Europa Cup)
Smart Alex last one for you:
I’m all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let’s start with keyboards-
TorontoRed … nice collection of quotes but what exactly are you trying to prove? The FT story wasn’t written by SmartAlex, he merely quoted it. But even if we accept your spittle-driven hypothesis that all statistics are worthless, what the fuck does that mean? The thrust of the FT article is that by any rational measure, Sir Alex has over-achieved. So if we drink the cool-aid you appear to be dishing up, does that mean he hasn’t over-achieved? Perhaps even under-achieved.
The point of the article (and the value of it) is that it highlights that United have achieved more on the field than the salary bill suggests should have been possible, and that this is down to Sir Alex. It seems reasonable to say that in general, clubs ought to perform roughly in line with their salary bill; that is hardly a scandalous argument, nor is it an egregious use of statistics. You can blather on about that being a statistical argument (actually it’s not, it’s a financial argument/business argument, though I suspect the distinction is lost on you), but every man jack of us on here knows that Shitty, the Rent Boys and the Virus (among others) are attempting to buy their way into trophies and titles — precisely by splashing cash on large squads of (allegedly) top players. The same is true of Barcelona, who have the highest average salary per player of any club in any sport on the planet. You might say that is just another meaningless statistic, but I reckon most people on here would find it relevant.
I suppose, too, that you will be writing to UEFA to advise them that the FFP rules are a waste of time, given that they are also statistical in nature?
TorontoRed … and by the way, SmartAlex’s moniker has nothing to do with his own name, which we don’t know. He has previously stated it is a reference to Sir Alex, whom he considers the sharpest tool in the shed.
Viva MG, Your posts are always inspiring and funny. I love your description of the shirt as a symbol of defiance, I know you’re a true red. Please consider your family and your good self sincerely included in my prayers. God Bless Brother
@viva mg. like your posts. hope you have a good time. unlike smartalex who’s going to have a really horrid time.
good morning everyone
hope for a win today
hope no one get injured
hope for chelsea lose and kiko score the winner
if we win our trip to liver and chelsea and get some players from sidline no one will stop us
come on united
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9043618/Stewart-Downings-fake-Aston-Villa-skills-video-impressed-Liverpools-owners.html
wow..now i know the secret behind awesome liverpool scouts.. no wonder they signed so many quality players in summer…
…
#Champ19ns#
MG. My thoughts are with you my friend.
Over analyzing mate, Welbeck deserves the praise while Morrison is still a non entity at the moment.
Coming back to the big game, here’s a good read : http://www.thehardtackle.com/2012/liverpool-v-man-united-will-suarez-evra-cloud-overshadow-the-north-west-derby/
Holmes…………………………….
as for Morrison….. I am indifferent….he either goes or stays….but he will only stay on SAF’s terms that’s for sure
MG
My thoughts are with you and your loved ones. Unlike you I am not blesses with superior writing abilities other wise I would have said it better.
Be strong and BELIEVE
@MG
My prayers go out to you and your family buddy. I know you’ll come through.
Costas
Good morning, any news on players available for selection today? I have been looking around but nothing confirmed yet..
Really looking forward to this match and of all the games to miss I will miss this one! No TV coverage so my only source will be Sky’s live text as well as sms messages from friends watching it.
i have a weird feeling we’re gonna see ashley young in action today.
i sure hope we win though. won’t be easy
hello cedric. how’re you doing?
@Cedars
Hi mate. Nothing really. Ferguson didn’t say any names yesterday, so your guess about who’s fit is as good as mine. The only thing I’ve heard is that Rooney hasn’t trained all week, so it’s not looking good in that regard.
i think we might see berba welbeck start today with chicho coming on late
Costas
Thanks, so if Rooney is not fit would we start with Berba and Welbeck, or Berba and Hernandez?
Little Pea is due a goal and what a time to get it. I miss his celebrations!
@Cedars
My mentality on this game is rest as many as possible. So I’d start with Berba and Javier and keep Danny/Rooney fresh for Stoke and Chelsea. At the same time, rohan makes a good point about Hernandez coming on late. He has a knack for scoring at Anfield and bringing him on late could be our secret weapon.
Also, who knows if we are even going to line up with 2 strikers? My suggestion would be playing 4-5-1 in this game.
Cedarsdevil
I would actually like to see chico and welbeck start, I don’t think sir alex will start berba
Also any news on jones? Some say he will be fit in around a month and some say he will have a fast recovery…
lebomanc
Both Hernandez and Welbeck play high up the field and rarely drop off like Rooney or even Berba. I honestly cannot see them both starting together. Costas may have a point that we will only play with one striker in that case it may very well be Welbeck with support coming from a 5 man midfield.
Anyway, guessing who the boss plays is something non of us have had a good time with! He always surprises us!
On another note, I find it utterly pathetic that 2 players that were recently racially abused are now being intimidated to the point of not competing in today’s games. Don’t get me wrong.I don’t want Evra to play, but that’s not because he’ll wind up the racists at Anfield with his mere presence. I want him rested that’s all. But I am also hearing that there’s consideration about whether Anton should play or not after his club received a package with a bullet that had his name on it. I wonder if this is 2012 or 1912…
Cedarsdevil and sachu
Ya I agree but as costas said there will only be one striker
Costas
Its more like 1929 down town Chicago
@Cedars
Really fucked up. And in Anton’s case, Terry hasn’t even been charged yet. I wonder if that will happen before Euro 2012 by the way…
Also, funny how the “random” FA cup draw pitted United and QPR against Racists Synonymous in this round…
MG
My thoughts and prays are with you and your family. Be strong and find solace in RoM and United.
Costas
I often wondered about the draw and the irony involved. Would not put it beyond the FA to be honest, perhaps in their minds they thought its the best way to diffuse the situation. If that is the case than they are dumber than we think as this only serves to add fuel to the fire. Would have been better to just let the whole thing fade away.
As for CLLC, I thought he is facing police charges, no? Even so why the FA have not acted as they did on the other racist is beyond me.
Back to topic . I have to believe United , have tried everything to guide Morrison . Its now in his own hands . That said, it appears he is a car crash waiting to happen . I know SAF wont like giving up on him . But at the end of the day its where we are at .
@Cedars
The police charges seem like a convenient way to take this case out of the FA’s hands and avoid having him banned for any period of time. Like I said, I doubt his case will be settled before the Euro finals. It won’t be good for the image of the national side…
Jesus there’s some cretins aboot
Costas
I guess at the end of the day we can only control what we have. Win games, win trophies and shove it up their hateful throats. I believe in karma and CLLC will get it thrown back at him one way or the other.
xol
Missed your posts pal and I know exactly who you mean!
I think it’s too soon for Liverpool to play another game. Great opportunity to stuff the bastards! I mean like 7-0.
Viva MG.
Tough it out chum,whatever the problem is just hope for a fair kick of the ball.
Morning Cedars. You don’t get ITV over there? Lucky you.
xol
I guess I am lucky in a way, mind you for league games I always have Townsend in the studio so that makes up for the shit I miss from ITV!
Only 7 nil? Why so pessimistic?
Can’t remember being over-impressed with Berbatov and Welbeck playing together, though I’m sure it’s happened. Said it before, but Owen and Danny gelled well against Barnsley (I think). Was it Barnsley? A nice one-two on the edge of the box, Danny accelerates onto Owen’s 1st touch return through pass and smashes it in. So if that worked, Chico/Welbeck could work against similarly poor opposition.
Hello everybody.
Well here we are, a couple of hours or so away from our Evra leading the lads out at Klanfield!
C’mon!!
Torontored
And?
Hope everyone is calm today!
Hope everone is positive++++++++
Hope everyone is witty ( I know I am, even if I say so myself!)
Hope everyone is LOUD
Bring it on, regardless of what team we have available to pick from.
Cedars, I think the pessimism is a result of all the bollocks written about Evra/Suarez, the bile that suggests Evra has done something wrong and the fantasy the scousers hold, that those wrongs will be righted. Regarding Suarez, I’d like to add that many neutrals hated him with a passion before all this. Regarding the Chelsea Cunt -all neutrals hated him before he sent a bullet in the post. Just think – soon we could visit him in prison or send gifts!
It’s in my blood & Collyhurst Red
Hi fellas, all pumped up here and really looking forward to it. The dippers away has always been one of my favorite fixtures.
Come ON UNITED
any chance him and pogba will make an appearance on the bench at KlanField today? I mean with the the midfield injuries and all…
When their playing in your town get yourself to that football ground.
Take a lesson you will see football taught by matt Busby.
Manchester Manchester united a bunch of bouncing Busby babes they deserve to be knighted.
Nobody leaked the news of who was on the bus yet?
xol
The pessimism remark was made towards your score line prediction, or hope. I was expecting more like 9 or 10 nil! hahaha Also loved how you ended the previous post…
‘ Chico/Welbeck could work against similarly poor opposition.’ Cracked me up
G.Neville
“tough place to go but Liv playing on Wed night in CC will be tough physically for them 2 and a half days later United to win 2-1 for me.” – I’m thinking along the same lines gaz, just a tad more wishful thinking with wanting 7-0.
Parryheid – Heard Rio, Roon, Jones and Nani are in squad (rumour)…
Does anybody know what happened to our polish slave that earns up to 30k a week?
So it seems every so called expert and pundit is expecting a draw today…. Hmmm. wonder how much a replay would net the FA in revenues?
Giggs12
Hi pal, some belting chants…. Loved all them ones from yesterday
not a cat in hells chance of nani playing, the lads still in manchester
Fuck Morrison. If the twat wants to go let him go.
Toady I predict this line up
DeGea Rafael Smalling Evans Evra Valencia Giggs Carrick Rooney Chicharito Park
United to win 2:0!
xol.
Cheers, so no actual sightings I was hoping Jones would be travelling and Young.
Cleverley rumour floating around…
Redhound
Ya heard he was gonna play today… he’s been training for a while now
Cedars
How are you mate big game today.
Read on an official KKK site that Suarez has put in a request to wear his white mask for games after he returns from his ban…..
Anyone else heard about this news? Seems only fair to the poor fella, after all we all have a right to express our selves and show the world what we are about.
Come ON UNITED – Smash them bin dipping cunts
Giggs12
Cannot wait my friend, just over an hour to go now
Apparently there’s a banner in the united end saying “MUFC – Defending champions LFC – Defending Racists”
Theres no chance of Cleverley playing.
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Sir Alex said earlier in the week he started running and doesn’t need much fitness work to go straight back in suggesting a quick return however looking Tom’s Tweeter he sounds like all he is doing is Running and not kicking ball yet so I doubt his involvement today.
There is more chance of Rio playing, remember this guys fitness is a myth, I reckon he injured his back and now is out as a precaution so he’s not crocked for the last 3 months of the season. But I reckon Rio could start the Stoke game but if needed the Liverpoop game.
Young for me 80% a certainty to be our suprise inclusion. Think about it Nani goes out and Young straight back in. Young’s injured his toe before and how long does it take, its been a month for the new softie to get used having a bruised toe. Hope he plays because he could help down the middle despite being non-existant out wide.
Rooney could be on the bench for this one after the battering he took from Alex Song, I doubt he’s injured perhaps sore and bruised, again these things about Wayne are a tactical thing. Berbatov recently picked up an injury and went to see a specialist in germany, so he’s probably a doubt but I would love it if he could play today and get another hat trick alongside our boy Javier.
I think Carrick and Jones are probably both fully fit, Jones will not be on the bench, he;s either in the team or not, the lads prone to a knock or two and against liverpool one “Smudger” incident may end his season. I don;t think theres much wrong with Carrick more of a tactical move from Sir Alex to throw doubt into the minds of Liverpool about the midfield quality at Utd so they are more relaxed.
Nani is defo out, no doubt aboot it.
zelh
If true then its epic!
Any rumours of the line up?
Am really excited to see it everybody seems to be expecting a return from an injury…
De Gea – Rafael, Smalling, Evans, Evra – Valencia, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs, Park – Welbeck
that’s the team for today.
no rooney in the squad.
Darron Gibson (18 apps) since his last loss for both Manchester Utd and Evertown.
Looks like we sold the wrong player *cough Anderson* Cough *.
Scholes and Giggs starting in midfield. I’m an eternal pessimist so maybe i’m too negative, but that doesn’t look good on paper. Have they got the legs to cope today?
Captain Patrice Evra starts for Manchester United alongside Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs at Anfield. Andy Carroll starts up front for Liverpool.
smartalex
Worry not my friend. The said freak along with his various aliases such as the earth that is in ice etc have again been reported to STR, he will again do what is needed.
Your back is well and truly covered my friend
Game on lads huge game and I for one would love a nice fa cup run this year.
Smart Alex
Mate save your sanity pal just ignore the negative shit they will get bored.
I
United: De Gea; Rafael, Smalling, Evans, Evra; Scholes, Carrick, Giggs; Valencia, Welbeck, Park.
Subs: Lindegaard, Fabio, Ferdinand, M Keane, Pogba, Berbatov, Hernandez
Liverpool: Reina; Kelly, Agger, Skrtel, Enrique; Carragher, Maxi, Gerrard, Henderson, Downing; Carroll
Subs: Doni, Johnson, Coates, Kuyt, Adam, Shelvey, Bellamy
That post at 11.52 isn’t from the real smartalex lads. The weirdo is back.
Willie
You have a point
Cedars – Sad cunt, eh? Off to watch the game. Laters 19
Why Manchester United finally gave up on Ravel Morrison & had to let him join West Ham:
The controversial 18-year-old midfielder joined the Hammers in a £1m deal on deadline day after a series of off-field problems at Old Trafford
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/02/01/2879659/why-manchester-united-finally-gave-up-on-ravel-morrison-had
Big Sam wrote in the London Evening Standard: “The big thing, as Sir Alex Ferguson has highlighted, is that Ravel is out of Manchester. We need to look at that situation and be mindful that his background could attract a certain type of ‘friend’ down here. They may naturally try to seek him out so we have to try to protect him from that.”
“He has a long-standing girlfriend, which is a good thing because he is not going to be lonely. We need to find him the right area in which to live and put him in a position where he clearly understands what he needs to do to develop his career. All in all it’s a complete life package and one which, we hope, will help him flourish as a player.”
“People will say that signing him is a gamble and to a certain extent it is because, if Ravel or any player doesn’t want to succeed, then it doesn’t matter how good a manager you are, it’s not going to happen at the level which suits his ability. Let’s be honest, we wouldn’t have been able to sign the perfect footballer with a perfect background from Manchester United. Under no circumstances would Sir Alex have let a player go with such talent, had he not had some problems.”
“One of the biggest things for Ravel would be for him to break into our first team. Then his whole life becomes closer to what he wants it to be. First things first, though. We have to find out about his talent, we have to settle him into his home environment, his lifestyle and build him a programme for the time spent away from the pitch. Ravel only turned 19 yesterday, so he will need guidance.”