This time last season Arsenal were top of the table, two points ahead of Manchester United. They had lead from the top all season, brushing off the criticis with every passing month. When they five points clear half way through February, people were wondering if they were going to end up with egg on their face. Every one believed that sooner or later Arsenal’s inexperience would get the better of them, but with just a couple of months remaining, they had a great advantage.
Liverpool are in the same position this season, their fans really believing this will be their year, after close to two decades of disappointment.
Just as we trailed Arsenal by 5 points last season, it is 7 points we need to catch up on Liverpool, although we do have two games in hand. We have been to the grounds of all the teams who finished in the top ten last season, including all of the other teams in the current top six, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Aston Villa and Everton, meaning all our most difficult games are behind us. The first half of the season was Liverpool’s chance to really put us under pressure, but if we were to win our games in hand, they have just 1 point on us… and our fixtures are easier.
“There’s no doubt that in the second half of the season they will get nervous,” said Ferguson. “With the experience we’ve got, having won a couple of titles in the past couple of years especially, it helps you. There’s no doubt about that. They’re going into the unknown, and if you make mistakes, then you get punished.”
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Good luck, we’ve also been to Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Newcastle, Villa etc. In fact it’s only Old Trafford that poses a real away threat.
Our remaining away games are Stoke, Wigan, Pompey, Boro, Mancs, Fulham, Hull, West Ham and West Brom.
I’m shaking with fear!
Should be a good close finish to the season. We might not win, but I doubt we’ll fold like Arsenal did.
I think you should be more worried about your home games mate…draws against fulham, hull, stoke…the fourth escapes me….billy bottlers, two-man teams don’t win Premierships. better luck next time
the 4th team is west ham
I’m impressed. We were a one man team last season
Jake,
the team without the “two men” still beat your lot.
Apparently so were we and he’s clearly not been turning up yet we’re still in for every trophy having already secured WCC and Community Shield.
As I said in an earlier post the dippers may well struggle in January. Stoke away followed by 2 derbies against Everton with Saint Stevies court case sandwiched in between. Look shit without Alonso.
And one of our only two men has only played 7 games this season.
Guess we’re having very similar seasons then.
Like I said, it’ll be close come May.
From what I see in many seasons before historically Man Utd and Liverpool do seem to perform better in the 2nd half of the season. I think this all bogs down to injuries and tiredness of the team come March.
So the irony is who gets knocked out of Champions League or FA Cup or League cup first will stand a better chance as they can focus more on the EPL.
Man U is still in the Carling Cup which is a distraction, Chelsea has to replay the FA Cup and Liverpool has 2 derbies to play in the span of 1 week.
Anyway, Man U has the technical know-how to run the campaign. However all of this depends on how fit Rooney and Ronaldo is. If Gerrard does go to jail, then Liverpool campaign will be almost over.
The Dippers will run us closer than last season certainly, we will only be ahead of them by 10 points in May!!
ah its nice to see us getting along so nicely.
“I think you should be more worried about your home games mate…draws against fulham, hull, stoke…the fourth escapes me….billy bottlers, two-man teams don’t win Premierships. better luck next time”
The two-man team that beat you guys without them back in September..well done memories are short. As for the draws although disappointing we still have garners 22 out of 30 points at home but our away form has dramatically improved 23 out of 30 so far.
This weekend is a big one…which way the results will go who knows. One sure thing rather be in position than playing catch-up with the amount of games you guys have to pay in the mean time to make of the 2 games in hand should be more of concern instead of you’re manager focusing on his own rivals instead of trying to play mind-games.
Now none of you’re supporters can accuse of Benitez for not going for more than just the Champions League.
Eujen, the rivallry will always be there, but I can also have a good conversation between ones that don’t just spout crap and insults. And both our teams have too many of them on the internet!
Loserpool may scumb to pressure but lets not forget they may ride on luck all season. I will keep my fingers crossed until when they come to OldTraford. May be then i can now pen down my obituary.
Noone’s performed well enough so far to claim to have one hand on the trophy. You might say Liverpool weren’t good enough to win at home against West Ham, Stoke, Fulham and Hull, well United weren’t good enough to even avoid defeat at Anfield or the emirates and could only take a point from Stamford Bridge and Goodison.
The idea United’s remaining fixture list is much easier than Liverpool’s is a myth too. We’re just over halfway through the season, we’ve both played every team once pretty much and Liverpool have been to Ewood, St. James’, the emirates, Stamford Bridge, Reebok, Goodison, City, White Hart Lane and Villa – traditionally our hardest away days, with only United away to really worry us.
United have the most expensive and therefore the most talented squad and are favourites for the title but with Torres returning and Gerrard and Alonso having good seasons and with much more to come from the likes of Keane and Babel, together with the perennial defensive qualities, I think Liverpool are in a very good position to have a fantastic second half of the season. Whether it’s good enough to win the title, we shall see.
Good to see Ferguson playing the mind games, stick that on the wall of the dressing room, team talk done. He’s gone from saying he wanted us to win at Stamford Bridge to being worried enough about us to say we’ll going to bottle the title. He couldn’t have paid us a bigger compliment.
5forkeeps- you quote me and then you contradict the quote- beating us on a one-off when Fergie clearly got the tactics wrong isn’t the same as winning the Premiership when you can’t beat the four already mentioned at home, it’s a sign of things to come in the next 5 months…two-man teams don’t win premierships, better luck next time.
Lets give Loserpool credit where its due, personally i am impressed with their team work and the ability to cook out results out of nothing. Its better to respect your enemy’s achievements against you and pray they crumble somehow along the way. Lets still a long road a head. But like the Chinese say, ” may the vanquisehed die well”
“Now none of you’re supporters can accuse of Benitez for not going for more than just the Champions League.”
Mate is doesn’t bother us what you go for, Benitez is your manager not ours.
2 Man Team..???
Just How Many World Beaters Has Man U Got..???
Ronaldo Rooney Scholes&Giggs Together at Their Age Make One More!
That’s 3!!!
Liverpool have Gerrard Torres Alonso & Mascherano!!!
THE ABOVE ARE THE ONLY WORLD BEATERS FROM BOTH CLUBS!!!
As for Ferdinand we have Carra – as for Vidic we have Skrtel/Agger/Hyypia
Anderson & Nani are prospects but so are Babel & Riera
Berbatov & Tevez have not exactly set your world alight..!
Carrick is about the most overated midfielder in the country and
Reina is equal with Cech as the best keeper in the country both of which are about 2 Leagues above Van der Saar.
Good Luck you have to still have to win your games in hand including getting past Chelsea and us to take the lead!
Jake, in reference to our home form, forgive me if I’m wrong but a win at home gets 3 points and a win away gets 3 points. At the end of the season it is the home form and the away form that are combined to see who has the most points.
I couldn’t care if we draw against Stoke, if at the season we amass more points than the other 19 teams.
It’s always nice to talk about home records etc (we have the longest unbeaten home record in the Premiership in fact), but at the end of the day, it’s who finishes top that wins, not who beats Stoke at home.
Personaly as Liverpool fan myself i have never expected to win the league so i find the whole “beleive this is their year” comment innacurate as a sweeping statement, in fact there are a lot whom are pretty dubious about our chances, myself included.
I stand by my statement early in the season that whilst i think this year is our best chance in years, we will not be able to take it. I dont think we are far off the real deal at all but lack of money and strength on the DL, DR and AMR will let us down big time. What i am hoping is that we can certainly close that gap down and make the top 2 more a top 3 going for the title.
The longer we can stay up there the better the chance that gap is closed and i beleive it will be, that was our original aim/hope at the start of the season after all.
Here’s a theory for you… it’s actually your boys who are showing the nerves not ours. They talked up getting that 18th title so much I honestly think it’s got to them and you.
You scoff at games we have drawn at home but to be honest home or away you end up with a point when you should have taken three BUT we aren’t alone there are we?
I say it’s like this you have to keep winning and so do we but like it or not it’s advantage us.
Tevez didn’t set the world alight last season, just massive goals in league games and a penalty in the European cup final.
Mascherano a world beater?, good holding midfield player but a world beater, mmm.
To say Vida is in the same league a Skrtel,Agger(do) and the youth and pace of Hypia is, well intersting.
Reina who seems to m ake more mistakes in big games a la James is two leagues higher than a goal keeper who has 130 caps, and what is Reina 3rd choice Spannish keeper, great views enjoyed them.
The point is Davo’s right, you don’t have enough quality throughout the team to maintain Premiership winnning form for the next 5 months. The idea that players like Skrtel, Carragher, Riera, Agger, Maschaerano are better than United’s equivelants, not to mention Rafael and Evra, then up front Berba, Tevez and Rooney to well…just Torres is pretty laughable.
Rafa…- The point about drawing those four games at home is that it’s an indicator as to the lack of quality which will show up in the next 5 months, a Premiership season is 38 games, not 20 odd. United to Liverpool in 3rd by 10 points. two man teams don’t win Premierships, better luck next time.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see then. I thought a “quality” came from getting more points in 38 games, not just the 19 home ones.
I think Liverpool will actually improve in the second half of the season. Liverpool have had problems breaking down teams at home that park the bus. (to some extent so have Man Utd with a lot of 1-0′s lately)
Playing the better teams at home should mean that they are likely to play a more attacking game than say Stoke or West Ham when they play away. We’ve done well this season against teams that try and play football.
You say we are a 2 man team, yet one of them has been out for the majority of the season, and we’re still top. We beat Chelsea without Torres, and you lot without Torres and Gerrard.
I very much doubt it will be a 10 point gap either way, and I predict it will go down to the last game.
Jake said… two man teams don’t win the premiership again!
If you win your two games in hand your still behind us. Correct me if I’m wrong but at some point over the course of the 20 games you mention you have either lost or drawn more games than us?
What actually matters is what games have yet to be played. There’s no reason to suspect that our lack of quality and depth that has so far seen us do better than you wont see us through again.
What your quoting is your hopes and dreams not facts fella.
£30million is what you have to cough up for the 14 goals Tevez scored last season… and ooooh a penalty in a European Cup Final, just how many of those could I attribute to Liverpool players, – would that class them as world beaters..???
Hyypia has never been blessed with pace and is getting past it now (a bit like scholes & giggs) but you cannot knock their class.
But Skrtel & Agger are both EASILY as good as Vidic!
Mascherano is the f@*xing Argentinian Captain (selected by Maradonna)!!!
I won’t even comment on your rating of Reina.
If you read my comments again you will see I was talkng about who I rated as world beaters in both teams – not the ones you have knocked!
Concluding that Liver is on a level playing field at the very least and NOT a 2 MAN TEAM!!!
I dont think that tevez is being fair to us. He expects us to shell out 24 million to buy him. I’m guessing that he’ll be on 5 million a year. And he wants to leave for argentina after the 5 year contract, most likely for nothing. That works out at just under 10 million a year or 49million over 5 years, for out third striker. Thats doesn’t add up. They should play him on the wing instead of park anyway, he often plays there for argentina.
Liverpool have a better starting XI than United, that there is no doubt.
How anyone, especially Mancs, can dismiss Mascherano as not having quality strikes me as envy after he single handedly ran United’s midfield ragged at Anfield.
You Mancs don’t know your football.
Is it United who are going to bottle it, now that Liverpool are seriously competing for title? Yes.
“we have the longest unbeaten home record in the Premiership in fact”
Longer than Chelski’s 86?
Also, you say you’d rather have the points on the board rather than games in hand, which is logical enough, but ask fans of Newcastle (12 points), Arsenal (8 points and 5 points) if that proved any consoloation at the end of the season when United were lifting the trophy. Again.
I look on you’s as slightly different in the respect that both our teams fare better in the second half of the season, generally, but I still don’t have many reasons to doubt SAF’s comments that having the Champions’ nous going into the business end of the season will prove decisive. The only team that has been able to stave off a United comeback in recent years is Chelski, and surprise surprise, they’d won the league the year before.
Liverpool have a better starting 11 than United??? that is the most crazy thing i have heard all season…Oh ya i am forgetting Ronaldo,Rooney,Berba are all lesser players compared to players like Babel and Keane!!!Even with Gerrard outside prison for the time being you can claim to have a better midfielder(even that is pretty debatable…i fell the ginger prince is a class apart) but that wont last long….
Sorry EastStandManc, I should have put “current” in there. My mistake.
You quote Arsenal and Newcastle falling apart and say we’re likely to do the same, then say we play better in the second half of the season?
Guess we’ll have to wait and see, but we also have quite a few players that have won the Champions League and also played in another final, which is one of the most intense games on the planet. Arsenal and Newcastle didn’t. We might not have had a good run in the league until now, but I think we can handle the big games.
He scored 19 all in last season and the debate wasn’t his price, it was if did or didn’t he set the world alight and he did.
Skrtel and Agger in the same league as Vidic? Why are you selling Agger to Milan then, and Skrtel, is not in the same sport as Vida never mind league.
Maradonna has what record as a manager does he have, it is like England appointing Gazza!! even the Argie public think it is an odd choice, fuck me.
And Reina is 3rd choice Spannish keeper behind Cassillas and Valdes.
All I was doing was responding to your comments, in you comparing our players.
‘Liverpool have a better starting XI than United, that there is no doubt.’
That’s absolutely hilarious, your whole back 5 doesn’t have one player that would displace a United player… Right winger? Kuyt or Ronaldo? forget that one should we…Left-winger? Riera or Park…Ok for your sake I’ll give you that, Gerrard? or Scholes? You can have that. Mascheraeno? (the tackling but visionless rat) or Carrick? well, I’ll take that one because the last two Premierships would suggest our lynchpin has clearly been more influential. Up front? well, it’s 1-1 each isn’t which leaves me to say you have 2, possibly 3 better players to our 8…then we could move to the bench couldn’t we because the Premiership champions must have a big squad to compete across 2/3 competitions…Matthew, Matthew, never has someone said something with such assuredness and yet has it meant so little.
Why is it that ManU and Chelsea fans always compare achievements of their teams in ‘The Premiership’ they quote these records and these achievements that they hold, but only in a certain time-slice of FA History.
At the end of the day it doesn’t really matter what you do to Competitions or Leagues – add a game or 2 here change the name slightly there or even polish up a new trophy for it.
The Premiership is the top flight league in the country just like the Old First Division was and the Champions League is still looked upon as the European Cup!
Any Man Utd fan will stand in front of you a say they have been kings of Europe 3 times why does it have to differ for the Kings of England..???
Answer it doesn’t and it isn’t – Liverpool have achieved both of these things more than anyone else…!!!
What ever your comeback you give to this – this is fact..!!!
It sticks in ya throat dunnit..!!!
(Convert the old first division ’2 points for a win’ into Premiership ’3 points for a win’ and Liverpool boast most of the records)
And we ain’t living in the past we have won bundles of trophies this decade and we are currently the best team in the country – look at the table.
Reina over Van Der Saar
Skrtel or Agger over Vidic
Mascherano over Carrick
Gerrard over Scholes
Riera over Giggs or Park
Torres over Rooney
sorry I forgot to add, Brynites- (hopes and dreams, no, it’s definitely facts, just look at all the Premiership winners…And, it’s actually in our hands in 2nd half of season because we play you at home so unlucky mate), two-man teams don’t win premierships, better luck next time.
Mascherano is not a great footballer, not in the true sense of the word. He is great at protecting the back four, and at holding the midfield, but he is absolutely no threat to the opposition when he has the ball.
Granted, he can then roll it to Alonso or Gerrard, but that doesnt make him a great footballer. He offers nothing in the home games where the away team ‘parks the bus’, because his role then becomes null and void.
He works well when ye are under the cosh away from home, making ye a counter attacking team, even at home, hence the run of bad home results. Ye dont have the guile and craft that United or Arsenal, and to a lesser extent Chelsea have.
Thats why I honestly dont think ye can grind out the results needed to see the league out, ye have little variation. Ye need Mascherano, Gerrard and Alonso all playing in a central role together to be effective, any two out of that three in a proper 4-4-2 doesnt work, so while on a good day that trio is your strongest area, its also your undoing.
Matthew, are you on drugs?
Hahahaha some of you liverpool supporters are jus SOOO funny
Man united have the best squad in the league by a mile !!
Ronaldo, Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez, Anderson, Scholes, Giggs, Nani,Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown,Rafael,Neville Park, Carrick, Hargreaves
, Van der sar.
Compared to your only 2 decent players
Stevie G And Torres
and who ever mentioned Javier Mascherano as a class player is a fucking retard !!! Since when was Javier Mascherano even half decent puh-lease even Xavi alonso is a better player !
You will get fucked
United ftw
Not wishing to get into the argument but I’m rather pleased Sketch is not batting for my team.
@ Jake
“two-man teams don’t win Premierships. better luck next time”
Was it Liverpool who beat you with out their “two-man team”! Remember!
why, you looking for a date?
If I wanted to have a date with a die-hard United fan with the mental capacity of a chicken nugget I’d give Phil Neville a ring.
SKETCH & STEPHEN
YOU BOTH NEED TO READ MY COMMENTS AND REALLY NEED TO THINK FROM A NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW BEFORE ANSWERING
ESPECIALLY REGARDING WHICH PLAYERS ARE WORLD BEATERS
AND TROPHY SUCCESS IN THE LAST 5O YEARS…
TRY BEING FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS – NOT FANS (FANATICS).!!!
I’ve got his number if you want it Tom?
Yes Gaulo, well done, you won one match against United without them. We’re talking about winning the Premiership though, not just one game (although granted, I know you probably felt you deserved a medal for beating us at Anfield, considering it had been so long!)
Yes please. I’ll woo him with a little song I know.
“If your dad’s called Neville Neville you’re a…”
Jake…
sorry I forgot to add, Brynites- (hopes and dreams, no, it’s definitely facts, just look at all the Premiership winners…
Oh I see, it hasn’t happened yet there for it is… well that makes a lot of sense.
And, it’s actually in our hands in 2nd half of season because we play you at home so unlucky mate)
If your playing us aren’t we playing you. According to your friends we play better away from home so errrr unlucky mate)
two-man teams don’t win premierships, better luck next time.
Is that another one of your facts that hasn’t happened yet?
the one man team accusations are silly and out of date. Everyone said we’d struggle without Torres and we’ve done alright in both europe and the league without him. We’ve won without Gerrard too. Could we win the league if both were ruled out for the rest of the season? Extremely unlikely but if Rooney and Ronaldo were out for the season I wouldn’t put much on United winning the league either.
Of course it’s in your hands too, but it’s advantage to us because we play you at our home ground, understand the concept? Well, the only way to even attempt to predict the future Brynites is to take examples from the past otherwise we would all be in the shit wouldn’t we, how else would you consider trying to predict the future brainbox, tarot cards?
I find some of the posts here, very amusing to say the least! As a liverpool fan, I do feel we have a chance this season, but then again so does utd and Chelsea. No one can put their hand on their heart and say this is our year. We have a good team with many stengths and one or two weaknesses,as does utd and Chelsea. If I had the choice of the utd team and could pick some players that I believe would improve the Liverpool starting eleven, then it would have to be Evre, Ronaldo and Raphael. These three would most definitely improve our team!
I’d give us more of a chance of winning the title without Rooney and Ronaldo than if you had Gerrard and Torres out at the same time, wouldn’t you say?
Jake…
I wouldn’t and if that’s your theory neither should you mate.
Oh what the hell, I’ll entertain you… when are the Germans going to invade brain box. You know, just so I can ready myself.
By the way Jake… Predictions? Stone cold facts earlier.
You no more know you are going to win it than we do. The only fact that matters is this: You have to keep winning and so do we as I said before. Only problem for you is if you do that and so do we you are still a point behind. Advantage Liverpool.
you’re a bit slow mate… think of any situation you are about to go into in your daily life and explain to me at what point you don’t engage with previous experiences to understand how it’s going to go or what you’re supposed to do? Not to say that it’s fool-proof and surprises can’t happen but just think of an example where you won’t use a past experience……ergo, Premierships have never been won by two-man teams and in the last 10 years by teams of just a good starting eleven, so I predict (based on the evidence) that you won’t win it either and 9/10 I’ll be right.
REF: JAKE
IF YOU HADN’T HAD RONALDO OR ROONEY LAST YEAR YOU MOST CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE WON ANYTHING – COUNT THE GOALS..!!!
REF: JOHNNY THE FOX,
I NEVER SAID THAT, I SAID I’D GIVE US MORE OF A CHANCE THAN IF YOU HAD TORRES AND GERRARD OUT….take caps lock off mate
“And we ain’t living in the past we have won bundles of trophies this decade”
Bundles? are you sure about that?
“Michael Carrick is the most over rated midfielder” I think you meant UNDER rated.
To even compare Agger or Shitel to Vidic is a fuckin joke.
Lets see where you are when they are handing out the trophies in May.
“Sorry EastStandManc, I should have put “current” in there. My mistake.”
No worries, it had occurred to me once I’d posted.
“You quote Arsenal and Newcastle falling apart and say we’re likely to do the same, then say we play better in the second half of the season?”
Yes, which is why I said I view you’s slightly differently. FWIW, I didn’t say you played better, only that our teams fare better. Your good run in recent seasons has been from January through to early March if I’m not mistaken, where we have been consistently strong finishers. If we can see ourselves through the busy January-March period, I’d fancy our chances of picking up the title with another strong finish.
“Guess we’ll have to wait and see, but we also have quite a few players that have won the Champions League and also played in another final, which is one of the most intense games on the planet.”
Good point, but that’s a one-off match and we are talking about a run-in of 8 or 9 games. Not saying it can’t be done, but the precedent for strong finishes has been set by us and you’re without the valuable experience we have.
“We might not have had a good run in the league until now, but I think we can handle the big games.”
It’s not the big games you’s should be worried about. It’s against the so-called minnows whose cup final has arrived early and are intent on denying you victory at whatever cost. Good examples of that last season was us playing Derby and Blackburn away where other teams would’ve only taken 1 point from 6, yet we took 4 (crucial) points.
@Johnny The Fox: Hold on to the records for the little time you have left with them. We’re coming to take them away from you. It’s just a matter of time.
Well said eastendmanc!
Oh Jake, you twist and turn like a twisty turny thing.
Yes I’m really slow or is it I don’t have the time to base the decisions I make moment to moment on the past ten years?
I possibly use my instinct and in doing so wouldn’t and don’t make predictions about the result of an out come that is yet to be.
Words like ergo do nothing more than reinforce my firm belief that you are a little delusional as we are being personal.
You can’t predict the future. 9/10 on that.
As I said… What you were expressing was/is your own believes not a fact and not the future whatever you base it on.
May all be down to one game as you say, when we go to you but as I said you win that and every other game and we do the same we are still a point ahead.
Advantage Liverpool… that’s a fact.
If Torres, Gerrard, Rooney and Ronaldo were all out, all my money would be going on Chelsea to win the league.
I’ve already said I think you have a stronger squad, if you want me to repeat that I will. I think United have a stronger squad than Liverpool.
I’d be interested to see how you’d cope without Rooney for an extended period of time though. I think he’d be a much much bigger miss than Ronaldo.
All teams are reliant on their best players and miss them when they’re absent. With any luck for both sets of supporters, those four will remain fit for the rest of the season. I still think United are favourites but (leaving aside largely pointless inter club comparisons) with Reina, Carragher, Mashcerano, Alonso, Gerrard and Torres as the spine of our team I feel confident we can match any side on our day. Last season, particularly during the winter, it was “our day” on far far too few occasions. This season the signs are more promising. If Keane can find some form, Babel start to fulfill potential, Kuyt continue to play the best football of his career, Agger return to last seasons form…who knows?
no it’s not, if we win that game and games in hand we are ahead of you by 2 points div kid…so now you’re just wrong, advantage United. argument over.
YSB’s…
Jake in reference to you’re earlier comment that I was contradicting myself, you keep coming back with “two-man teams don’t win premierships, better luck next time.” on every comment. Sign of worry is it, considering you’re one man show won the league for yourselves last season I can think that as you call it a “2 man team” can then win it.
Getting away from Jake, a few comments about Mascherano are interesting. Mascherano is world class at what he does. He is a born and bred Defensive Midfielder like players in past generation of for example: Makelele, who perfected that role was he not world class…..??? Which he was, Mascherano at his age (24) will be only grow more into the role but he will get better.
The spine of Liverpool’s side is good as any side in not England but European and World football. Compared to the side Benitez inherited, he has built a squad with not only the capability but the mentality of making a new Liverpool dynasty for future years to come. Reina, Agger,Skrtel, Mascherano,Alonso and Torres all under the age of 26 then add the experience of Sami Hyypia, Carra, Steven Gerrard and even Robbie Keane added to the young talent of Babel (21) Lucas (21), El Zhar (20), Insua (19) plus the quality of Albert Riera. The underrated Arbeloa and Kuyt.
We will push all the way this year, all if not most Liverpool supporters wanted us to challenge this season for the title, so far so good.
RE: JAKE
I BUILD WEBSITES AND HAVE DESIGNED A PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALL PROGRAMME WEEK IN WEEK OUT FOR 5 YEARS AND WORKED ON APPLE MACS FOR 18 YEARS – I KNOW WHAT CAPS LOCK IS…. I’M MAKING IT EASIER FOR YOU TO READ!!!
IT IS ALL IFS AND BUTS – IF WE WIN THIS GAME AND WE ARE GONNA DO THAT B*@LLX ….WE ALL LOVE OUR TEAMS, WE ALL WANT OUR TEAMS TO WIN BUT IT IS SIMPLY IN BLACK AND WHITE YOU HAVE TO CATCH LIVERPOOL.
NOT ONE OF US CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE OTHERWISE I’M SURE WE
WOULDN’T BE F-ING AROUND ON A SITE LIKE THIS – I KNOW I’D BE A BLOODY MILLIONAIRE!!! YNWA.
Johnny The Fox, why did it take you 5 years working ‘week in week out’ to finish designing your Premiership Football Programme? Are you a bit slow or what? YSB.
Brynites: “May all be down to one game as you say, when we go to you but as I said you win that and every other game and we do the same we are still a point ahead. Advantage Liverpool… that’s a fact.”
In case you missed it, if we win all our games including the one against you, we’re 2 points ahead. Fact.
Tom Earnest:”I’d be interested to see how you’d cope without Rooney for an extended period of time though. I think he’d be a much much bigger miss than Ronaldo.”
I’ve always said Rooney is the thread that holds the fabric together. Thankfully, we have a little Argie that can come in and replace him if need be.
Johnny the Fox:”I BUILD WEBSITES AND HAVE DESIGNED A PREMIERSHIP FOOTBALL PROGRAMME WEEK IN WEEK OUT FOR 5 YEARS AND WORKED ON APPLE MACS FOR 18 YEARS – I KNOW WHAT CAPS LOCK IS”
Then surely you’ve come across netiquette? Which means you’re shouting …
“YNWA”
IRWA, thank you very much.
Correction excepted… and your welcome but my point remains, you can’t predict the future.
A div would say something like… I know we will win the league FACT because we have won it before.
I’ll take my error over your obviouse issues. Sorry mystical powers.
….or what I actually said which is you won’t because you’ve only got two quality players and no team with just two quality players has won a premiership……and no, I never said I could but I can give it a good go using past experiences and evidence….some of the more reasonable Liverpool fans on here who have conceded that United are justifiable favourites at the moment for the Premiership will be rightly upset that div kids like yourself who aren’t even familiar with the Premiership table are championing Liverpool’s cause.
EastStandManc Said,January 6th, 2009 @18:15 Brynites: “May all be down to one game as you say, when we go to you but as I said you win that and every other game and we do the same we are still a point ahead. Advantage Liverpool… that’s a fact.”
Yes, yes, we have covered that… your most welcome also. My point was more to do with predicting the future and the fact that it’s in the hands of either club. We keep winning that means you can’t win the league, simple as.
Back to my original point… You have to keep winning and so do we. As I don’t have mystical powers I’m unable to predict as an actual fact of who will or wont win the league. All I can do is look at the facts, which are… you have two games in hand win them and your still a point behind. That has to be advantage us?
Obviously later in the season if you beat us the tables turn but how many games between now and then?
A little early for any facts wouldn’t you say?
Why can’t Liverpool’s “two man” team win title when they apparently beat the Mancs with a “no man’s team” – incidently didn’t “one man” United win it last year… and no I’m not talking about Steve Bennett.
I CAN’T RESIST IT ANY LONGER BUT…. A LIVERPOOL FAN DESIGNS YOUR BELOVED MAN UTD PROGRAMME..!!! P.S THERE’S MORE THAN ONE OF US AS WELL!
Steve Bennett did win us the double Matthew absolutely.
Until the Red army are at the door of the lairs den to kick it down and hoist a record 19th title I don’t think you Mancs will believe. But who can blame you when you are spoon fed so much propaganda.
Why does Alex Ferguson feel he has to talk about other teams?
The Mancs are so pathetic that when Liverpool do win the title they will come up with excuses about certain injuries, suspensions, offsides, foul play, ill informed media pundits, fixture conspiracy etc etc.
Shame on United and shame on the Manc hordes.
Johnny The Fox, well you told us.
ESM,
Tevez is a good player but he’s hardly a replacement for Rooney…noone is. That’s my point. You take top players out of any side and that side is weaker as a result. I think taking Gerrard or Rooney out of our sides would adversely affect the team much more than taking Ronaldo out would or taking Torres out has though.
The accusations of Liverpool being a two man team are daft. I don’t think we’re much more reliant on our two special players than other top sides are on theirs. United haven’t had to be without Rooney or Ronaldo for too long over the last couple of seasons, and have rarely been without both at any one time. You can bark the names Nani, Giggs, Park, Tevez, etc at me, all good players but not one of them replaces Ronaldo or Rooney. I’m not saying that makes you a one/two man team, I just think talking in those terms is silly. Reina, Arbeloa, Skrtel, Agger, Hyppia, Riera, Kuyt, Babel, Keane, Mascherano, Alonso, Benayoun, etc are all internationals. Most of those players have contributed to the successful start we’ve had with Kuyt, Riera, Alonso and Reina being especially influential.
Our best player this season has been Xabi Alonso, alongside him is the captain of Argentina. Very odd to call us a one/two man team. We’ve got lots of good players.
I take it you don’t write the programme Johnny The Fox?
RE: JAKE
I WILL SEE IF THE EDITOR WILL WRITE AN ARTICLE ESPECIALLY FOR YOU IN BIG LETTERS
Look guys lets see who is champions at the end of the season, and then we will see who will end up gloating.
Liverpool have done better than I first thought I admit, but we will come though as simply we have better strength in depth, better manager and have done it before.
Good is a bit different to quality though Tom? I think Chelsea and United have the best squads in the Premiership and that will prove to be the case in may. Alonso was off to anyone who would buy him in summer, has he improved that much? There are plenty of good teams who have been flying high halfway through the season to find themselves off the pace in may, I can’t see Liverpool being any different.
@Jake
I’m familiar with the table. As for other Liverpool fans taking to me or not based on a mistake… I’ll take my chances.
You have as much chance as Chelsea or us for that matter. Out of arrogance however you dismiss the opposition and thier chances. You then went on to justify this as fact by saying you know it to be because you have won it in the past.
You don’t like that pointed out to you sorry I don’t like arrogant people.
I’m big enough to say you have a good squad kind of hard to argue with that but what I and most other none Manu fans object to is the way you belittle other clubs and the players at them.
They under perform but I would say Chelsea probably has the best squad in the league player for player and pound for pound. That doesn’t mean I think ours is crap or yours for that matter.
Our difference of opinion relates to you being able to foresee the future, which even you seem to have retracted now.
So I’ll sleep tonight knowing I said something wrong and have let my club down but I’ll have a chuckle at the mystic manc while I’m at it.
Alonso was excellent in his first season with Liverpool. He then had a couple of injury hit and inconsistent seasons and eventually fell out with Benitez. I disagreed with the decision to sell him but I could understand it. Benitez wasn’t desperate to get rid of him though. He was a prize asset and a good way of raising funds. As it turns out he ended up staying, which by all accounts was his desire anyway and perhaps got the kick up the backside he needed.
He’s been outstanding this season. To answer your question directly, yes, he has improved that much since last season. The rumours we’ll sell him this month are frankly ludicrous. I’ll take any bet at any odds we don’t.
chuckle? sounds like you’re about to cry mate…a lot of people make a lot of money on being able to predict the future, think they’re called businessmen, maybe they’re mystic too….I won’t belittle your team anymore mate, I’m really sorry about that….
Yes mate I am all cut up inside.
Businessmen eh? I’m a businessman and know a thousand others… I don’t predict the future Jake and neither do they.
I don’t know why or from where but you have a fixation with businessmen and the ability to predict the future? It doesn’t work like that mate.
I don’t have time to go in to it just now.
Apology accepted.
@Brynites: You were the one to start waving that word around, not us …
@Tom: You’re right, he’s not Rooney, but he doesn’t need to be. What he provides is just as important. The last time I checked, it was his name on the scoresheet against Chelsea (H), Lyon (A), Tottenham (A) and Blackburn (A), last season, not Rooney’s.
That’s *my* point. If you take one of our “top” players out of the equation when the going gets tough, another fills his shoes and the result is inevitably the same (albeit by different means). Ronaldo is the notable exception, but even then, we’ve proved we can do the business w/o him. Not just recently (he may’ve been on the pitch but he’s been non-existent), either. Look back to Chelski away when we started with Owen and Park and led til 80-odd minutes gone.
“I CAN’T RESIST IT ANY LONGER BUT…. A LIVERPOOL FAN DESIGNS YOUR BELOVED MAN UTD PROGRAMME..!!! P.S THERE’S MORE THAN ONE OF US AS WELL!”
‘Beloved’? You think a little highly of it, don’t you?
Also, we pay your wages, is that right? Must be hard tellin’ the kids that Xmas came courtesy of Rooney and Ronaldo, eh?
park park. . .
I have to admit that Alonso is a very good player, so much so that without him your balance is all wrong.
EastStandManc Said,January 6th, 2009 @18:15 Brynites: “May all be down to one game as you say, when we go to you but as I said you win that and every other game and we do the same we are still a point ahead. Advantage Liverpool… that’s a fact.”
I think you will find Brynites it was you that said the above quote and EastStand was just quoting you in his blog. You scousers eh!!
I didn’t get to a computer early enough today to get in on all the banter, but having just read the majority of posts, please allow me one quick observation…
The scouser who said Agger/Skertl are easily as good as Vidic and the same for Rio and Carragher is fucking hilarious. Seriously, how did he manage to pull himself away from his bong long enough to type that out? That honestly did make me Laugh Out Loud. Is there any point in discussing football with someone that fucking blind/retarded?
“two-man teams don’t win Premierships. better luck next time”
I never understand why people say this about United. We have by far the strongest squad in the league. Players like Carrick, Anderson, Vidic, Ferdinand, Berbatov, and Nani would be the best player on most other premiership teams.
I assume you’re saying Rooney and Ronaldo are our “two-man team” but that is just incorrect. The quote would be especially funny if you’re a dippers fan. Can you imagine if they lost Gerrard and Torres? Lol yeah start Benayoun!
Ryan, jake(Man Utd supporter) was referring to Liverpool not Man United with statement in every post. I referred to United as a one man show that won you the league last season.
As for Drew Vader, some friends of mine who are Man United supporters find Rio more of a liability than a help. As for the Carra is better than Rio, no question Carra is the better of the 2. Unlike Rio, who is the darling of the media in the South, Carra would and should have being first choice ahead of him on the form Carra has produced over the last 5 to 6 years since he returned from his leg break.
Carra done the right thing by getting out of the joke that is the English National Side, even under Capello with his ridiculous statement about telling a player to be like Gerrard. Capello risks like Mclaren did is losing a World Class player from his side and I hope he does. Liverpool FC is more important.
Sad Sad scousers on a Manchester United forum, the republik of MANCUNIA you lot must be so desperate to be Mancs.
Theirs no such thing as a ‘one man show’ did ronaldo contribute to the world class defending that conceded the least goals all season? did he fuck we won the league because we were the best TEAM, Rio Vidic Scholes Carrick Ronaldo Rooney and Tevez dominated the league, where as liverpool players did fuck all, talking about Rio being the darling of the media what about fucking gerrard! He’s arrested for GBH, he dives and hasn’t achieved anything since 2005 yet the media are up his arse.
Sigh…..again, if you honestly think Carra is a better footballer/defender than Rio, then there really is no point in speaking with you.
Although I must admit, Carra might be a better finisher in the box. I mean, who could argue with that class left foot finish into the upper corner against Hull?? Or that powerful header against Spurs? So my mistake, Carra is superior in one respect…
It amazes me the amount of time and effort Liverfool fans will spend to justify their teams chances of “winning the league” (more like being in the top 3 at best) on a United blog.
I say we concentrate on our own games, and don’t waste our time thinking about Liverfool.
As far as player comparisons, the only Liverpool player I feel will make it in a united side will be Torres. I give them that. Other than that, thanks but no thanks. Nearly forgot maybe I will stick Gerarse on the bench in case we need a last minute penalty out of thin air.
And to compare your starting wingers Boobbells and Rieeasra to our second string wingers Nani and Park is quite laughable. Not to mention Skirtz, and Agger to Vidic. THE Vidic?? Or is there another loon running around anfield pretending to be the Serbian grim reaper. I wouldn’t embarrass myself with such comments.
The red cocks are the top of the league atm, above us and the rent boys. That really doesn’t make you the best team in the Country, because if I understand correctly, that’s decided at the end of the league. Not in the middle of winter. And also, last time I checked, the EPL Trophy is sitting nice and shinny in United’s cabinet, next to the Champions League trophy, and also the Club World Cup trophy.
You can be the best for now, but we will take the trophies. Thank you!
Good post Laos.
why are liverpool fans cumin on this site? lol dont they hve any sites of their own? oh wait yup scousers dont hve access to internet stop slaggin off united on a site for united fans idiotssss
Lets not be unpleasant hosts. It truly is pleasant to see so many optimistic visitors while in the back of our minds, we know they will end up disappointed cry babies. This site is the closest thing to a trophy they will get this year. Unless of course Rafa decides to face the cold harsh truth and give up the race to the EPL, and focus on the Champions League. Even than I still favour the scum toe sucking Real over the Liverfool side. And lets be clear, Real do not look close to having a sniff at the CL trophy this season. Barza is the only side that worries me at the moment. As far as the EPL, with the rent boys having wobbly legs and what not, and the red cocks luck running on E, I’m fairly confident that our destiny is in our own hands. As long as we keep concentrating on our matches, and start burn down the busses that have been parked in Old Trafford. The trophies will return to its rightful owner, and the EPL record will have a more deserving Co-Holder……..
Drew, your 100% correct on carra. Top class finisher. Lethal in the air as well as on the ground. I couldn’t think of a better finisher in the EPL. If only he played for Chelsea than we wouldn’t have to wait untill may to get our EPL trophy…..
What a laugh, really needed it… Thanks for helping me through half my shift. Now I’ve got enough energy to actually ‘work’
I’m sure Johnny the fox will be able to tell us the name of our BELOVED PROGRAMME
Where are the chiks now… they must have gone into hiding to lay their eggs. Or are preparing a protest in front of the court house to free their innocent lil Critter. (no unjustice wished on the poor critter)
I am a United supporter, but I have to admit that Mascherano is class. He cancelled out our midfield at Anfield. In fact, IMHO we could really use him in United, with Hargreaves out and all.
Whoever said Skrtel and Agger are better that Vidic however, is really out of touch of reality, or hasnt been watching Vidic play.
About that one man / two man thing, be honest Liverpool fans, if Stevie G is in prison for the rest of the season would you confidently say you will win the league? Really really?
If Ronaldo (in his current playing form) pisses of to Madrid, I would confidently say United would still win it again. And I am not delusional.
UNITED FANS CANNOT READ!!!
UNITED FANS CANNOT READ!!!
UNITED FANS CANNOT READ!!!
If you back track I pointed out WORLD CLASS PLAYERS from Both sides!!!
Then I went on to COMPARE other players as EQUALS!!!
NOT ONCE have I said that anyone is BETTER than anyone else!!!
(Apart from Reina & Van Der Saar)
As for my wages I look at it as Not Man Utd paying my wages
but our company TAKING money from Man Utd!!!
Roll on the cheap digs & blinkered comments…..
I apologise to the one or two Intelligent United Supporters who have made constructive comments!
Whether or not Vidic and Ferdinand are individually better than Skrtel or Carragher or Agger is not really of concern to me. Collectively as a unit they’ve been superb this season as they are every season. Defence has never been an issue. Fortunately, it’s going pretty well up the other end of the pitch too, 35 netted so far.
By the way, I was linked to this site from a Liverpool news feed. I don’t make a great habit of visiting United websites funnily enough.
We’ve given ourselves a fantastic chance. With Torres back, those 0-0 home draws can be turned into victories. It will be tough but we’re involved, I bet Alex Ferguson is taking our threat a lot more seriously than some of the numpties on here, that’s for certain.
Can’t wait to see you in March. I think we might surprise a few people. You’ll drop two points at the weekend too so, I can see us having a very healthy lead come the close of the weekend
Tom Earnest, ye scousers have surprised us here already, by the fact ye seem to be able to read and write… YSB.
“ye” is an archaic form of the word “the”, therefore, not only are you using an obsolete word, you’re using it incorrectly. Perhaps, you should have paid more attention at school yourself old bean.
Tom, you’re just a little bit too….ermmm….what’s the word I’m looking for…
camp?
….earnest
Well don’t I feel like the fool…
Dippers giving us Mancs English lessons, fuck me I have seen it all now..
If you have a look up the page Stephen, I don’t think English grammar is something either set of supporters could claim to be particularly competent at.
Looking forward to the weekend’s fixtures, Liverpool have a tough away game, United a tough home game.
Is Stoke away tough?
United certainly seemed to find so.
We won, and Stoke havn’t won for 8 games, loosing to Hartlepool, Blackburn and West Ham, think you will play a lot harder games.
Our game is tough so really the pressure is on you.
You also drew at home with them, so we found them a tad easier then you.
I said Stoke away is a tough game. If you think United didn’t find it tough, that’s fine, all the statistics and match reports I saw suggest an alternative view. They boast one of the best home records in the league and have already beaten Arsenal, Tottenham and Villa there. I think most people would agree it’s a tricky fixture.
The pressure certainly is on us, the pressure’s always on at the top the table. If we do manage to get the win though, I wouldn’t fancy having to go into a game against Chelsea meaning a defeat would see you 10 points adrift. A couple of day’s rest then Wigan are up who are in the best form of any team in the premiership at the moment, then a couple more day’s rest before a trip to the Reebok.
Should be an interesting week.
Now Stephen, you’ve got yourself in a pickle haven’t you with that last comment, let’s see if you can work out why.
Ok, I’ll tell you. That statement actually supports my view rather than your own. Silly sausage.
It will, but we have been here before, if you drop points in you “tough fixture” then it will give us extra insentive for the Rent Boys, if we needed it, who do not seem to be getting on to well with each other at the moment.
Also I never said it wasn’t tough, I relayed the fact that we won.
Don’t forget you have Everton next week and we have Bolton.
You asked is Stoke away tough?, I took that to be a rhetorical question unless you were seriously asking my opinion. You also said Stoke haven’t won in 8 and that we will play a lot harder games, well away from home actually we won’t. We’ll play one harder game, at Old Trafford.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we dropped points against Stoke AND Everton. But then I’ve seen quite a lot of United this season, and I wouldn’t be that surprised if you dropped points against Chelsea AND Bolton.
I actually think Chelsea is the easier game. I must confess I go and watch Southend United quite a bit and I was at Stamford Bridge last sunday. Something’s not right about Chelsea, they’ve lost their mojo, at home at least. They were dominate against Southend, but the Southend goalkeeper, Mildenhall, wasn’t overworked. Southend hit the crossbar just prior to equalising, this is a team who’d scored one goal in their last 5 league one games. Scolari has come in with a new, Brazilian-esque style of football with flying fullbacks and I’m not sure the players believe in it. Which is why I think they’ve struggled to recover from setbacks.
Statistics from Stoke games
United vs Stoke
Shots on Target
12 – 0
Shots off Target
6 – 2
Possession
67.9% – 32.1%
Score
5-0
Stoke vs United
Shots on Target
2 – 5
Shots off Target
4 – 9
Possession
25.5% – 74.5%
Score
0-1
They played the last 15 minutes with only 10 men so the possession stats are hardly a surprise in the second game. 2 vs 5 on target efforts with probably the best chance falling to Stoke (Fuller I think) is hardly dominant from united. Anyway, you could have won 10-0 there and I’d still say I think Stoke away is a tough game. They boast one of the best home records in the league and have already beaten Tottenham, Arsenal and Villa. Three teams I think we can all agree are difficult opponents as neither of us has managed to get a win against any of those 3 this season.
Have to agree, I consider Stoke away a tough game.
Stoke away is an average away game in the premier league, most if not all are tough enough. The reason it was so tight for us was that we were just back from Japan with the World Club Championship in the bag. The lads were wrecked after the travelling and the time changes. If it was an average saturday afternoon, we’d of done them by 2 or 3. They offered nothing going forward apart from huff and puff, they were just very physical (thats why Arsenal buckled). We deserved the win, if only because they tried to get over physical, and the lad getting sent off deserved it for playing on the edge.
Now Tom Earnest, any chance of a spell and grammar check please???
Fucking hell Stoke are in the bottom three for fuck sake, you dippers are always making a mountain out of a mole hill, if you don’t win you should treat it as a poor result, we would, unless it’s Gerrard up to no good then you want to sweep that under the carpet.
Chelsea is an easier game than a team in the relagation zone, do me a favour, get real.
I keep wondering. I have been hearing this song for several months and I keep dancing- I dont know when its coming to an end. Its sang by, especially, the Mancs and the Chavs supporters. The song goes like:
1. In August:
“Liverpool will falter away by- just ask me in September”
2. In October:
“Liverpool wont last the distance- by December they will be back where they belong”
3. Then in December:
” By the turn of the year( Jan.) the team that tops will be the likely PL winner- Liverpool will have withered by then”
4. January (present):
” Come March, it will be a two-horse race btwn Chelsea & Man U”
I know win March, when the two horses (or the 2-horse race) that is Man U & Chelski are still behind, we will still be told to see May.
I dont what the song will be like when we get to May with the mightiest football club on Earth lifting the 19th PL.
I meant Chelsea at home is easier than Bolton away chimp. Stoke away is a tough game. Of course we’ll be disappointed if we don’t win. We go into the game in good form. There’s probably only 3 or 4 games a season which I’m disappointed if we don’t win. It doesn’t mean we don’t face tough games in the other fixtures. I didn’t think saying Stoke away was a tough game was especially controversial but as usual United fans get their little panties in a pickle about, let’s face it, a pretty reasonable statement. I wasn’t saying our game is harder than yours, merely saying we’ve both got tough games this weekend, it’ll be interesting where we are come close of play on Sunday evening. And where have I mentioned anything about Gerrard? Who’s sweeping it under the carpet? He’s been arrested, charged and the club released a statement shortly afterwards. If you want my personal view I think he’ll be found not guilty. I’ve read various eye-witness accounts and all of them seem to absolve him of any blame at all. If he’s guilty then I’ll hold my hands up and stand corrected. But even if he is, if you think it’s going to change my opinion of him you’re sorely mistaken. At worst he’s twatted a manc. Legend for me. Speak to you Monday.
Tom Earnest, why the fuck will you be back here Monday? Tip on to a scouse website like a good scouse twat, your novelty factor has worn off. You made your points, now go…
Don’t be silly North Stand, I want Tom back….because if we can keep him around for another couple of months we’ll be able to give him some stick when they’re trailing us by 4-6 points, (10 by May) along with all the rest of the half-witted Scousers who are creaming their little pants because they’ve won the newly created Christmas Premiership….
Jake: “along with all the rest of the half-witted Scousers who are creaming their little pants because they’ve won the newly created Christmas Premiership….”
Spot on esp. the bit about the “newly created Christmas Prem…”
Chimp? Very bright, lets see who is the real chimp in May, Dipper.
Fergie is always been on Liverpool. He’ll stop only when liverpool will win on Oltrafford.
Man City to become THE MAINE CLUB in Manchester!!! …(Dennis Law)
Only they have more money than sense and will cough up the £30million.
Yawn.
Johnny The Fox, is that another one of your constructive comments aimed at ‘the one or two intelligent United fans’?
Muppet…
Jonny the Fox: why do they give the inmates at the aslyums access to the internet, its not healthy, you know
North Stand:
Just like I said at the Top of my comment you refer to;
“UNITED FANS CAN’T READ!!!”
“UNITED FANS CAN’T READ!!!”
“UNITED FANS CAN’T READ!!!”
I stated – “constructive comments from Intelligent United Fans”
I’m nothing but a “Scouse Dipping Football Programme Designer”
and yes – I SAID IT!!!
…but what you failed to say is ‘I’m illiterate and unhinged’
Honest question?
Wanted to ask about the singing of Argentina that I’ve heard before but took it as a one off bit of madness. Unfortunately not however it actually seems to be the norm.
I’ll happily be told I’m wrong to think so but I can’t believe I’m the only one that thinks that’s f***ing odd at the very least?
Its one thing to make a song up about a player and where he’s from but to start singing Argentina in exactly the same manner as the Argies do is something else all together. I bet they are pissing in thier pants. I was out in Germany at the last World Cup. I speak German very well and didn’t go out there to sing ten Nazi bombers or goose step around because it isn’t funny. It’s disrespectful and f***ing childish to tell the truth. On par with Monkey noises. But I didn’t wear leather hossen and start slapping my legs either. I’m still an English man… I sing our songs not theirs. Can’t imagine you guys signing a good German player then singing Deutschland, Deutschland uber allas at Old Trafford so why the f*** do you/they sing Argentina?
You guys are Manu… do you sing it?
Good friend of mine is a Manu fan told me you also have a song in which you take the piss out of Rooney because of what Ronaldo did to him in the World Cup. Is that true?
NOW THINK, JUST HOW BORING WOULD THIS SITE BE
IF IT WAS JUST UNITED FANS TALKING AMONGST THEMSELVES!!!
YOU ALL LOVE IT REALLY!!!
COME BE MEN AND ADMIT IT!!!
Brynites, are you on fucking drugs? How can you compare us chanting ‘Argentina’ the same as singing Nazi songs in Germany???
Thats such a farcical argument its not worth a more in depth response.
As for Johnny the computer programming Fox, what part of your comment did I misunderstand? You mentioned ‘the one or two intelligent United supporters who made constructive comments’, I only asked did you consider your comment a constructive one, and was it aimed back at the two intelligent United fans. I think you’re the clown that cant read.
And why do you keep mentioning your (alledged) job as a computer programmer, who gives a flying fuck???
Or more to the point, why the fuck are ye scousers still hanging round this website?
there’s a couple of points you seem to be struglling with Brynites so I’ll give it a go:
1) We are definitely not ‘ManU’ fans, it’s United or Manchester United
2) North stand’s covered the idiotic comparison you make to Nazi chants
3) Monkey noises? are you having a laugh? Tevez is documented as saying he loves the chant which is the country of his birth in a word….a monkey chant is a racial slur you moron
4) England comes a very distant second for most United supporters because unfortunately we have to share our nationality with muppets like you…
OK Pleb… because no one uses the name Manu fans to descibe Manu fans. What a load of toss. May be you don’t like being called manu fans and now I know that I’ll just do it all the more…. thanks.
North stand didn’t cover f*** all. All he said was how can I compare singing Nazi songs to singing Argentina. I was refering to the Nazi songs as a negative. So he didn’t cover a thing and I didn’t compare the two so thanks to him and you for explainig sod all.
I’m aware a Monkey chant is a racial slur you moron. I said on par with a monkey noise and again was refering to the negative Nazi thing. May be you should f***ing read the post before coming out with a load of plap.
You explain perfectly well why your lot would sing it when you say England is a distant second. You sad f****. The problem with this country isn’t people like me it’s nobs like you.
YET AGAIN NORTH STAND…
Where the F have I said I’m a “Computer Programmer???”
And just as I thought ….none of you had the balls to admit that this
would be a dull site without the banter!!!
The Argentina chants started when Beckham was sent off on the World Cup, and has continued since then.
Johnny The Fox, it would be but you are boring.
Can I please ask someone whith a brain…. Your saying MANU FANS (for jake) started doing it after the Beckham thing that bit I understand but why?
To take the piss out of Beckham or what?
Oh God mate, because United fans don’t like England simple, we have has our players booed before at Wembley and the abuse Beckham got when he was sent off.
United>England.
oh sorry, you’re even more of an idiot than I previously thought because you intersperse your argument with some random half-baked story about you going to Germany and not singing anti-Germany chants…what’s that got to do with us singing a chant about Argentina which is a positive chant and sung by them also? you sound like Sarah Palin or something mate, ‘don’t sing their songs because you’re English and not one of them’…forget about the country mate, it’s the world that wants to worry with nationalist half-wits like you running around telling everyone they can’t sing another country’s chant because ‘they will be pissing their pants’…no, they won’t, why would they be laughing? surely, it would be a matter of pride for them that their chant was being sung in England, crawl back into your little hole mate.
oh and the manu thing doesn’t bother us, it’s more of an indictment against the person saying it and their lack of footballing knowledge because no football pan says ManU so I was actually helping you out but fill your boots mate
football fan
SERIOUS QUESTION THAT I’D WOULD LIKE ANSWERED:
WHAT IS IT THAT MAKES MAN UTD “THE BIGGEST CLUB IN THE WORLD”..???
Fanbase.
Johnny The Fox, when you said you design programmes, I assumed you were the computer type program writer, not some twat who colours in pictures and edits an interview for a match day programme. Still, my bad, I misread what you said. Its just you talk such tripe, its hard to keep concentrating and decipher what you’re trying to say.
But what do ye scousers think this site is? A questions and answers session?
‘what makes Man Utd the biggest club in the world?’, ‘why do United fans chant Argentina?’, have ye no where better to be?
Do us all a favour and go rob a purse or something… YSB
Jake you talk utter shit mate. You honestly need to read what I said you tool.
I know the Argentina thing is positive. To me country comes first that doesn’t make me an anything. If I was a nationalist anything I would
be singing the Nazi song not slagging people off who do it you tit. I didn’t say you could or couldn’t anything I simply asked why you did. The answer given was you don’t like England… I repeat a lot of people would find that at the very least f***ing strange. A football fan likes football, England have a national side stands to reason you would follow them we are English after all. Same for whoever you are and wherever your from.
We have a difference of opinion, yours is different to mine but that doesn’t make you my intellectual superior you arrogant twat (bit of a pattern forming there).
Tell me Mr self proclaimed football know it all when was the last time you heard a foreign clubs supporters sing England or anything remotely like it despite the English footballing greats that have played within thier leagues or any other nation for that matter? Let me answer that for you… you haven’t. You never have because no one else does it. They don’t because it’s f***ing weird.
There’s an intense footballing rivalry between the two nations, which you touched on yourself not to mention geopolitical undertones.
Your a cod piece chap with a blinkered, bullshit point of view of everything and anything that doesn’t start with the word Manchester.
Rangers fans?
Also mate this is a United site, not an England one.
I’m the twat with 2 degrees, had my own company in Manchester 1990 and used to do the publicity & marketing photo-shoots for GIO GOI.
You are on here a lot, should you be working or are you on the dole.??
My excuse is I’m ahead of schedule and I’m trying to amuse myself by
antagonising you lot!!!
….you keep wittering on mate but having the mental capacity of a chicken nugget is inhibiting you from working anything out so I reckon you should give it a break…United are intl., we don’t give a toss about England because national boundaries don’t mean anything to the World champions haha….other clubs abroad don’t do it? no, because they’re nearly all inherently racist, top Italian teams, Spanish teams, German teams…Maybe we should have a new slogan ‘Manchester United, breaking down political boundaries in the name of world peace’….England this, England that, couldn’t care less mate
Any Serious Memorabilia Collectors On Here..?
I have
x2 Genuine – MAN UTD v BENFICA 1968 European Cup Final Tickets Un-Used
&
x2 Forgeries – from the match that were used by Old Bill on the day to compare tickets to.
All 4 are in absolute MINT condition & mounted.
Any Takers….?
Didn’t ask for your life story you boring fart. Anyone who starts spouting qualifications is usually rattled but I’ll give you the benefit and assume you just have a complex. On the dole… f*** me that’s original. I love the way you plebs talk down to us like Manchester was some glittering, majestic marvel. It is in fact a shit hole like most built up areas of the UK. Just as much crime, just as much misery, just as f***ing miserable. Luckily for me I live outside. Manage a small but successful IT business and
I’m not ahead of schedule, no need, I’m actually being paid and handsomely whilst sitting here doing this. Aint life great?
Your still an arrogant prick but your not alone on here.
There are racists every where unfortunately and only a mug wouldn’t know that. Oh! sorry or an arrogant, blinkered prick who can’t see past the snout in the middle of his face. You Muppets sing Argentina because your Muppets. No one else does it because they aren’t f***ing inherently stupid. ”Join hands every one and sing along our Argentinean brothers and sisters will love us for it”. You sad gits.
World champions ha! ha! whoopty f***ing doo!!! your right, who does really give a f*** about that? Your behind in terms of the Champions League and behind in terms of League titles. By the looks of it come the end of this season you still will be.
Don’t give a f*** about the country of your birth… You sad plebs will always walk alone.
hahahaha, you’ve read the wrong post……
Oh sorry I read twat and assumed that was you.
Bynites, you absolute moron, you just went on a rant at the other scouser twat thats posting here!!!! Thats fucking priceless!!!
You’re like the rest of the low life scousers that come on here, you make a few points and try talk sense, and end up throwing a tirade of abuse. You, like your City, and your club, are pathetic…
Ahh man, Im still laughing at you ranting away at that other muppet, thats fucking brilliant…
Like I said I read twat and assumed it was Jake.
Nothing else in the post that relates to you lot then? ….. no ….. nothing at all? Very strange.
racists everywhere mate? you’re clueless…of course there are but France, Spain, Italy and Germany have much bigger social problems with racism as is reflected in their culture, politics, towns, football fans etc… South America is just as bad with the natives consistently marginalised in all forms of society into slums etc…you don’t know anything, it’s testament to the generally good workings of a multi-cultural, well-educated country like England that some football fans can sing Argentina without harbouring blind political hatred for them….and then there’s clueless little scouse muppets like yourself who believe England comes first (that’s the definition of a nationalist by the way) and we shouldn’t like other country’s or sing their chants because they’re bad people who will come back to get us one day… and congratulations on your ‘small but successful I.T. business’ mate, I couldn’t be happier for you getting paid handsomely for doing this…what a div kid.
and I was being sarcastic about world peace but it must be hard for you to detect being a little scouse chicken nugget.
Brynites, we will always walk alone, fuck off dipper did you have your scarf in the air when you typed that?
and we aren’t behind in Champs leagues, you are…
Seriously lads, is there no scouser sites ye could go to and talk your shite???
Heres your PFO request…
Why do we hate the England national team?
Because its supporters (the sort of supporters who see that overrated, despicable racist media darling John Terry as the embodiment of the England) are mostly Little England-ers whose teams at league level do fuck all, explaining the need to sing anti-United songs and scapegoat United players when their national team inevitably fucks up. The only player in recent memory to have been scapegoated and not to have had United ties was Seaman in the 2002 World Cup and even then, some saw fit to try and blame Brasil’s “resurgence” on Beckham being a “pussy” and not going 100% into the tackle that led to Brasil’s equaliser.
Anything but admit that they and their players have believed the media-created hype around the notion that they are God’s gift to international football and had a divine right to win the tournament they just entered.
You talk about chants (and how you refrained from them – good on you); why does it always have to be the case that England fans have to resort to xenophobic/racist chants when the opposing team is winning?
Also, you talk of people pissing their pants, the Germans must have been rolling around in puddles in that case, after seeing the England fans blindly screaming at the top of their lungs “God Save The Queen”. Save a German – couldn’t get any better after hearing those pig-shit-thick racist cunts singing “Rather be a Paki than a Kraut”.
You say you think it’s fucking weird that English people don’t want to support the England national team, but fail to mention that it’s fucking weird that England fans go to Germany to take pictures at Nazi sites Sig Heil-ing after Hitler wanted to make Britain a graveyard.
Everything about the national team these days makes me sick to the stomach. The notion that a team comprising of the best talent in country might take on that of another country to see how they fare has been lost among media hype, (extreme at worst, overbearing at best) nationalist pride and a loss of footballing culture that would have fostered a genuinely cool idea like that.
You ask why we sing YCSYFEUYA, That boy Ronaldo, Steve McLaren’s still a Red, Ar-gen-tina etc.? It’s because we’ve had enough of what the national team represents. United has always been bigger than England, certainly now moreso than ever, and we make our feelings clear singing such chants.
Questioning our chanting of the song by simmering your disbelief down to national political differences between the two countries displays exactly the sort of single-mindedness we’re mocking by singing it. We know it grates the England fans and we love it.
Also, before we’re accused of trying to be some kind of hypocritical elitist movement romanticising an anti-national sentiment, you’d do well to remember that Liverpudlians, Geordies, Brummies etc. are part of the YCSYFEUYA movement, not just those in the Republik of Mancunia. We’re synonymous with it because we’re the ones who’ve stuck with it from the 70′s through ’til now, while others have, in the meantime, been swayed by the hype and bought into it, but the movement is now growing again and people whose dads/grandads once sung it on the terraces at various clubs around the country are seeing the light and are coming back onside.
Jake wtf are you talking about? Racists everywhere? your clueless… of course there are. I’m baffled, what the hell is that supposed to be? You make the same statement as me, then question it, then go on to agree with it.
France and Germany have a big problem with immigration more than anything. That isn’t racism.
Spain and Italy have a problem with racist fans that much I’ll give you but as I have already said racism is everywhere.
Who is it in South America that is marginalising these natives you speak of? That’s not racism that’s a social, political, geographical and above all a financial thing. It’s a reflection of much of the World in that there’s a massive divide between those who have and those that don’t and that doesn’t have anything to do with the colour of your skin.
Singing songs in Old Trafford doesn’t change the fact there’s racism there. Same for Manchester, The North and the remainder of the UK. Sorry but you haven’t built a utopia yet.
Blind, political, hatred, not liking other countries? I didn’t say I hated anybody…. I asked why you sing Argentina. The answer was you don’t follow your country. According to you only nationalists do that. So we will just have to lock up all those racist kids who attend the next under 21′s match at Wembley.
I lived most of my life in another country and guess what, it’s possible to support your own country and not be regarded a racist or a nationalist for doing so.
You want to sing Argentina for Tevez fine. Does beg the question why don’t you sing Portugal and so on.
There’s a rivalry between the two sides (England – Argentina) that’s been there for years. It doesn’t have to be dark and sinister it’s just a rivalry.
How open minded, peaceful, caring, loving and ultimately understanding would you be if a Liverpool fan stood in your stands with your fans and started to sing YNWA? You wouldn’t be. You would probably kick the living crap out of him and to be honest you would be perfectly within your rights to do so. The guy would be mad for doing it but that isn’t the point is it? The point is why would you kick his tits in. You would do it because it’s disrespectful to you and your club. There is a way of doing things and doing that isn’t the way.
That’s it… nothing to do with racism, nothing to do with nationalism. Simple inter personal, club rivalry, international rivalry. That’s why I think singing Argentina is weird and I’m sorry if you like it or not so do a lot of other people.
I’m not clueless or small or a Muppet for that matter. Oh or a chicken nugget Jake that’s a pretty crap put down by anyone’s standard. And you know what I mean about the Champions League, used to be called the European, same thing 5 and 2.
Stephen yes I was waving my flag if that’s how you would like to picture me. And no you f*** off you tit we have as much right to post on here as anyone.
Eaststand I don’t agree with everything you say but I accept and appreciate what is a rational, intelligent and well put post.
I don’t agree because I can’t. Thousands of young kids watch international football at both junior and full level. Thousands of adult football fans also follow the national side. Not all I will grant you but many aren’t nationalists they aren’t racist either. They simply wish to follow thier national side.
What your saying does make perfect sense but your still in the minority and I have to say this you probably always will be.
I questioned your statement….with a question mark…does it make sense now…i think you’ll find immigration problems and racism are directly proportional (that’s pretty consistent in history)…you keep saying that because we have racists in our country or at United we are exactly the same as everyone, it’s about political and popular culture, not individual or minority cases and there is clearly a difference between us and most foreign countries, esp. continental Europe…natives I speak of? …it’s called the indigenous population of South America which was displaced by the Hispanic settlers…there are massive slums all around South America which are full of the natives and it is a socio-economic problem like you say but clearly if the slums are full of just natives, it’s also racial, and I can assure you the hispanics are quite racist ….and no, I think I said nationalists put their country first…like you do….and said you did….i don’t because I don’t care, I sing Argentina because I don’t care if it offends some England fans…and we’ll never build a utopia with people like you around who jump on the first signs of a ‘foreign chant’ in our grounds and cry foul…and we sing viva Ronalo/John Terry which is a Portugal chant…so need to beg for the question…how can it be weird in a club game singing international chants? Are you so baffled that we can put national rivalries to one side so easily?…England’s not that important mate
and you keep blurring nationalist/racist…you are the nationalist who would put his country first…not a racist….a nationalist, two different things, never even called you a racist. I sarcastically wrote that singing other nations chants might help break down political boundaries and you came up with the ‘not so bright’ argument that because other countries don’t do it we must be wrong and my point was probably because they are all inherently racist…my gripe is with you scouser and your purile arguments against singing Argentina etc…. so stop trying to turn your pointless row around and shifting the debate onto kids watching a U21 England game….you’re an idiot who had a go at United fans singing Argentina in the name of national pride….now go away, take your new-found conciliation and tend to your successful I.T. company…
I have to agree with that last part; sadly, yes we probably will be in the minority, at least for as long as there is an English media willing to glorify (to almost demi-god levels) the talents of a national team whose parts are greater than its sum; at least for as long as there is a media that sees fit to capitalise on the Little England mentality that sweeps the nation in hysteria-like fashion, with titles like ‘Winker’, rather than address the actual reasons for failure (in that instance, taking an unproven 16 year-old might have been a good place to start).
You mention kids watching the side simply wanting their national team to win. True, but kids have a sense of innocence that their adult counterparts do not. Most are barely aware of national stereotypes of the opposing team, let alone the political and historical contexts involved.
You mention adults watching the side (it’s important to clarify at this point that supporting the national side isn’t an automatic precursor to racism), however, I’m sure you’ve noticed how even the normally sane and rational people get swept away with it all. This can be something as small as the St.George’s Flag meme that got completely out of hand, to blind hatred of non-English players for perceived misdemeanours. I have no problem with people who genuinely watch the England side with the desire to see how the best of England fare against the best of other countries, but then, they’re not the people the YCSYFEUYA chant is aimed at, as I explained in the post above. Sadly they’re the minority within the hardcore of English support.
We may be in the minority, but as I said, the movement is growing up and down the country. Funnily enough, even Jamie Carragher has joined us after that frankly ridiculous phone-in. He’s realised, along with the rest of us, that lending your talents to your country, only to be open to foolish criticism from such a bunch of ignorant thickos simply isn’t worth it and that club truly does rule over country.
Let me be clear, if I were a professional athlete, I would be proud to represent my country in any other sport. Yes, there are bandwagoners that bring the footballing over-the-top fervour to the party when we actually win something (see: Ashes 2005, RWC 2003), but it is at least an exception to the rule, thankfully.
This is a movement that only has legs within the realms of football, it would appear.
EastStand and Jake: absolutely bang on. Excellent posts!
For F@*K’s SAKE..!!!
This is Football we are talking about, our National Game,
not the Houses of Fking Parliament.
Now you can all put your encyclopedias and thesaurus’ away!!!
Whoo Hoo for multi Fking Cultural Society there is Racism and Nationalism throughout England but compared to other countries… sshhh we don’t like to speak out about it or admit it because we don’t like to offend!!!
That is why this country is going to the dogs and being sucked dry!!!
Without an England or the National Pride that I know my Grandparents fought for, there would be no Man Utd FC it probably would be
MANCHEST-ARIAN FC.
So as for RESPECT I would rather respect my Grandparents Generation FIRST over any Germans… and my Own Generation (WHO MAY HAVE HAD THEIR LEGS BLOWN OF IN THE FALKLANDS) over any Argentinians!!!
I’m NOT saying you have to hate these countries I would just rather NOT RISK OFFENDING MY FELLOW COUNTRYMEN WHO FOUGHT AND DIED over making the odd Argentinian or German etc. feel good on the pitch!!!
IF YOU DON’T AGREE WITH THIS IN YOUR HEARTS THEN YOU AIN’T F’KING ENGLISH …GO AND ASK YOUR GRANDPARENTS WHAT THEY THINK.!!!
LONG LIVE “ST. GEORGE & SCOUSER TOMMY!!!”
Eastbank another intelligent post.
Jake your just an idiot who argues for the sake of arguing. You make no sense at all and constantly contradict yourself.
The fact is your trying to label me as something, don’t know how to go about it, can’t justify your reasons for doing so and as normal go round and round in circles missing the blaringly obviouse. It’s you that has the issue with other people not me. People who live in another city about an hour down the Motorway let alone the other side of the World.
You hate Liverpudlians… you don’t have any other reason for doing so other than football, probably don’t even know any, which makes your argument floored and you a thick, pig ignorant, f***ing moron mate not me.
WELL SAID BRYNITES..!!!!
YOU HAVE JUST ABOUT SUMMED UP JAKE THERE.
YNWA.
never said I hate Liverpudlians….maybe you should go back and read….I dislike your argument because it’s pointless and without any decent analysis or intelligent thought…contradict myself? how have I done that? you don’t seem to be able to pinpoint an example….I’m a bit more rational than you mate who seems to take issue with another country’s chant being sung…you started all this having a go at us claiming other countries would ‘be pissing their pants’? so how am I going round in circles? I’m not on a Liverpool site having a go at Liverpool fans, one of my best mates is a Liverpool fan as well so disproves that speculation doesn’t it…give it a break mate, nearly every time you’ve made some new crazy argument, it’s been cut down because your not in full control of any of the facts…Johnny the Fox sums it all up aptly doesn’t he….
Brynites and Johnny the fox, ye made yer points, and are still hanging around here. Can you honestly answer me as to why the two are ye are still on this United website? Ye’ve thrown yer fair share of abuse (granted, ye got some, but what do scousers expect on a United site?), and you’ve more then worn out your ‘welcome’. Ye said yer piece, now its time to go I would of thought?
can I just say Jake’s argument makes perfect sense and well said Eaststand as well…why are you Liverpool fans on here arguin with us about our chants? seems a bit narrow-minded
Seems more hypocritical to me, with their Munich chants.
Johnny: “but compared to other countries”, what? Britain is in just as bad a situation as other countries regarding its far-right threat and there are plenty of people still willing to talk about it. FFS, there are still films being released dealing with the issue (funnily enough I watched ‘This is England’ in Liverpool while I was waiting for my passport in ’07). Judging by that comment and the ones that follow it wouldn’t surprise me if you were part of the Daily Mail “it’s-PC-gone-mad” brigade.
As I’ve said before, I’m proud to be Mancunian and would happily represent England in any other sport. How dare you sit there and question my loyalty. My great-grandparents fought in both major wars, so you can stop with the little guilt-trip right there. What they were fighting for was the preservation of democratic values, not so idiots could go around decades later banging on about “Two World Wars” as if they’re the only major achievement in British cultural history. England and national pride is not limited to a WW-centric view, despite what Little Englanders like you would have us believe.
As for your Argentina chant comments: you just don’t get it, do you? After having written two massive posts explaining why, you still persist with the view that the chant is somehow a direct insult to those who fought in the Falklands. Read the post again, you’re exactly the sort of person the chant is aimed at, someone who lives in the past (although, should I really be surprised given your a Liverpool fan?) In any case, we’re nearly 30 years on and the two countries are at peace.
Why don’t you stop all your chants aimed at making your Spanish contingent feel welcome, given that Franco was part of Hitler’s axis of evil?
*puts down “thesaurus”*
Now fuck off you ‘dipper twat.
There, have I found your level you daft cunt?
“This Is England” is a fantastic film but unfortunately is set 30 years ago and a lot of that kind of “in yer face”, street level attitude has been repressed to behind closed doors.
And yes, PC HAS GONE MAD and it desperately needs to be addressed!!!
As for WWII…Yes they were fighting for Democratic Values (English Ones) but first and fore-mostly they were fighting to keep England English!!!
Ask your Grandparents and they will tell you they would rather IDIOTS LIKE ME decades later went around banging on about Two World Wars than the massive, ignorant, multi-cultural population not giving a f@ck about how they have the fortune of living here!
Your Argentina Chants ARE offensive to some ex soldiers… (regardless of who you pathetically think you are aiming them at) do you know anyone who served in the falklands? Have you asked them? (I have).
I said earlier I don’t suggest that we hate these countries but to just have RESPECT for our fellow countrymen of older generations!
Yes, we chant to make our Spanish contingent welcome but we sing our own songs about individuals on the field NOT copy a chant that is used as a national celebration by Argentinian and was used on News Reels whenever they sunk a British Ship!
Plus General Franco himself was part of the “Axis of Evil” yes… but I think you will find that Spain and Spanish people were Officially Neutral!!!
and DID NOT fight or kill any of our Grandparents!!!
By the way… nice Intelligent language to sign off with, I have obviously wound you up!
regards,
A Fully Paid-Up Member Of The British Legion For The Last 20 Years and Proud Little Englander..!!! JTF.
ps regardless of who finishes the season as Champions RAFA was still Right!
why is it still them and us for you Johnny? why haven’t you moved on? If people like you were in control we’d never get anywhere mate because we’d still be having a go at the fuckin French for the hundred years war…we are all humans mate, the average Argentinian doesn’t hate the English. ever been to Argentina? You talk about PC gone mad you daft hypocrite, by saying we can’t sing an Argentinian chant for fear of upsetting Falklands war veterans from 30 yrs ago you adhere to the exact PC brigade drivel you’ve just railed against…If it’s freedom of speech you want (and I agree) then you have to open it all up, not decide what you do and don’t want to hear you moron.. What is this England you think of anyway? Is it the Germanic Anglo-Saxons? the Norman Fench? The Irish, the Scots, Welsh? Arsene Wenger recently said he now feels English, he’s a British citizen…but is he not Brtitish in your eyes? we pretty much were all foreigners at some point in our family history mate so give it a fuckin break, as long as we still have the majority speaking English and the Queen is the head of state, the rest of the bollocks doesn’t matter.
oh and two man teams don’t win premierships…better luck next time
Re JAKE:
Never get anywhere?…. Where exactly do you want us to get Jake?
I don’t hate Argentinians or French or Germans or even United Fans!!!
I have STATED ALREADY 3 TIMES that I don’t suggest we hate any of these countries but just RESPECT THE FEELINGS OF EX SERVICE MEN AND OUR FELLOW COUNTRYMEN OF SUFFERED AND LOST LOVED ONES!
This is achieved by not acting like FANATICAL ARGENTINIANS acted
when British ships were sunk!!!
I seem to be a Daft Hypocrite in your eyes but there is a massive difference between “Political Correctness Gone Mad” and SIMPLE DECENCY TOWARDS ENGLISHMEN, unfortunately I will always put the latter first!
If you are oh, so, “we are all the same anglo saxon germanic celtic etc.” where do you draw the line, just go all the way back to we are all apes …eh?
Well, if you take that stance why don’t you break out of your tribe, your little “We are Mancunians and we stand together philosophy bubble”
cos’ its the same thing!
IT’S F@CKING TRIBAL MATE!!!
Now where exactly in this Glorious Country do you live..?
Central Manchester – Piccadilly / Deansgate
Salford..???
or perhaps Bury, Oldham or even further a field, maybe London..???
Do you live in an area where you are the
MAJORITY AND EVERYONE STILL SPEAKS THE QUEENS ENGLISH?
I’d lay money that you DO and that you AREN’T in the MINORITY!
To quote you Jake:
“as long as we still have the majority speaking English and the Queen is the head of state, the rest of the bollocks doesn’t matter”
seems to point to the fact that there is a part of you inside that agrees with me, because you are ok with everything as long as ENGLAND STILL FEELS ENGLISH.
Well I have some news for you mate we are infested, the seeds have been sown, so being over-run just probably hasn’t quite;
“REACHED A CINEMA NEAR YOU”! YET.
You are probably more of a “Little Englander” than myself you are just very naive in your safe little bubble!!!
Johnny The Fox – English Tribe!
yeah mate, Blackpool is a proper safe little bubble…the point is that I understand that people need national/tribal identity. But I don’t hate anybody because of what they are, Argentinian, German, Liverpool fan etc because that is an irrational standpoint…we all have the same thoughts etc so why not all try and get along…bit of banter yes but put all the history to one side because it’s irrelevant as regards human interaction in the present…I said English, not Queen’s English and my point about Queen being head of state was a bit sarcastic but I was meaning that it’s a symbol of ‘we know where we are’…Decency? You can sing Argentina at a football ground and still respect the actions of those that have gone before..There’s plenty of veterans who don’t harbour any ill-will towards modern Germans etc Like I said, I think everyone should be able to take a joke, whether that be about their race, football team, history or whatever safe in the knowledge it’s not malicious or discriminatory..History and time is fluid mate, migration has been a feature for thouands of years and it’s nature to fear the slightly unknown immigrants but In 50 years time it won’t be a problem as they are assimilated into culture in second and third generations making up the patchwork of Britain as has happened before and will happen again. The quicker you understand that it’s beneficial and that in time these people (a lot already are) will be as much a loyal part of British society as for instance 19th century Irish immigrants like my family have become, the quicker you’ll realise that it’s nothing new and it isn’t a problem.