Sir Alex Ferguson has shouldered the blame for our draw against Porto last night, claiming his decision to play our Premiership game on Sunday instead of Saturday is what cost us.
We certainly looked like a tired team last night, that is without question. Our passing was sloppy and our movement was slow. There’s no point singling out individuals but too many of our players didn’t look up to it.
Whilst I agree with the boss that we looked tired, I would still argue that the gamble did pay off.
“We showed tiredness because of the gamble I took playing Sunday which was not the best preparation,” said Ferguson. “But we faced a situation and we took the best option hoping a European occasion would bring the adrenalin up. I was tempted to get Villa moved to the Saturday. However, we had so many players on international duty in places like Bolivia, Rio de Janeiro and Korea, involving some very long and tiring journeys, I thought it best to go with Sunday.”
Had United drawn or lost to Aston Villa after taking the extra days rest and giving us less time to prepare for Porto, then the gamble certainly wouldn’t have paid off. We’d allowed our travelling players another day to rest, which had to be done, considering Tevez didn’t return until Friday evening and would have had to play the following day, given Berbatov and Rooney’s absence. But had we not got the three points, then there would have been no point. We might as well have played with those players, had that game written off, then given us an extra day for Porto, hoping to get the win there.
To think that we should have beaten Villa then go on to beat Porto should be the least of our expectations is silly. Whilst that would have been the desired results, we can’t forget that 14 of our players travelled all over the place to represent their countries in the week leading up to the Villa game. To win that, particularly when it looked like a draw was the best we could hope for at times, was a bloody brilliant result for us.
To draw at home to Porto is a bad result for us, particularly with the two away goals conceded, but given a choice between the two games, I’d have taken the win over Villa every time. To reach the semi-finals against Villarreal or Arsenal we have to draw and score at least a couple of goals, or we have to win. If we can’t beat Porto away then can we complain about not progressing? Obviously it’s something we really want but if our lads can’t go to Portugal and get a win, then it’s time to draw a line under our European dreams for this season and focus on the league. Stick on your Moscow DVD if you need cheering up.
Even with hindsight, knowing how the matches ended up, I would still prefer us take the extra day for the Premiership game, knowing it would disadvantage us in the Champions League. Yes, it was a gamble, but on Saturday we were second in the league and on Sunday we were top. This certainly would not have been the case had we not taken our extra day to rest.
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we only need to win 1 0 in Portugal to qualify dont we?
Surely thats what we would have aimed for anyway even if we had won last night.
agreed,if we truely are the best team in europe (which i think we are) we have a good chance of winnin in portugal.i think fergie and the lads will be happy for the press to go on about how we’re already out,makes a change from every1 sayin we’ll walk it and takes that bit of pressure off.
i agree the gamble to play on sunday and then tues was one that had to be taken, we got the 3 pts agst villa, and yes we drew agst Porto which would make for one hell of a return leg. but at least the players will have 3 days rest for the sunderland game, and than a further 4 for the porto one…and than they really have no excuse. they’ve got to start pulling their weight esp in defence. once thing i noticed about the porto players yesterday the min of the boys got the ball a min of 2 porto players were swarming all over him like flies, they didnt give them a chance to play their game.
the first half yesterday i think was one of the worst i’ve ever seen the team play, and i hope to god i never see again.
BUT, in fergie we trust!!
i would settle for the league only , but i am not sure how long can we keep conceding goals and winning , if we get to the semi and thats a big if , and we face arsenal with this kinda of defense it would be a disaster , but when i think about it really our defense wasnt really tested before the liverpool game no one came at us they just parked the bus. i wonder if we were that strong in the defense.
to unitedgirl15
if we stop conceding ; ; !
3 POINTS IN THE LEAGUE DUE TO AN EXTRA DAYS REST
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A DRAW DUE TO ONLY ONE DAYS REST
united wont get another chance to get 3 points out of villa but have another chance to beat porto
i’d of loved 1 2 3 nil yesterday
but after only 1 day to regroup a draws not too bad
2 away goals is
but if someone had of said yesterday before the match”you only need to beat porto 1nil away”
i would have taken it
to unitedgirl15
if we stop conceding ; ; !
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Haha i’m sure we will!
Yes i definatley prefer the 3 points from the Villa match, but i’m biased cos i was there
What a game
Kiiikoo Ma che daaa!
I suppose you are all right… i lost my rag a bit last night after the display… its just the passion of wanting and expecting your team to be at the peak of there game… every single time..
Your right.. the victory against Villa was crucial… and if you look at it 1-0 against Porto aint a massive ask..
Lets just hope the players have a good recoup this week, chill out a bit.. after all it has been manic since the WCC..
Cmon, I would take the 3 points from Villa any day. I want the league and the FA cup so badly. MMy gut feelings are we would beat Porto one nil away and set up a meetin with Villareal where we would finally break the deadlock and knock them out to book our place in ROME
BELIEVE
i hate saying this but honestly ppl im fed up with o’shea….
The gamble did pay off.If we played on Saturday noon,we would have lost.No doubt in my mind.Now we are still in both competitions.The real question is why did we let Sky once again fuck us up with the fixtures.First of all,they are criminals for arranging fixtures 60 hours after the internationals.Second,why didn’t they give us the alternative of Saturday at 5:30?Fergie made a gamble that he was forced to make by them.I wonder how long this will go on.The Liverpool-Arsenal game is scheduled on Tuesday(3 days after the Chelsea-Arsenal semi) for no reason!Put it on Wednesday for Christ’s sake.
We are still in a really good position, we are knackered simple but lets be real we have one trophy in the cabinet top of the league with a game in hand and are in the semi finals of the FA Cup, not bad.
We have to go to Porto and win, quite simple and to be honest it could work for us, we are hopeless at holding a lead and if we have to win then thats suits us better.
Technically, the gamble paid off. Can’t expect to win both games, with it being played within 48hrs, and if there was a game we had to win, I’d go for the Villa game anytime.
We had to beat Inter to be where we are now, and now its the same, albeit an away game, but if we can’t beat Porto, we do not deserve to still be in the CL. We are clear minded unlike our friends at Anfield
Although we can not expect to win every game i feel there are certain factors that have contributed to this downturn!
Liverpool Game – Liverpool Wanted it more! It Showed!
Injuries – Missing a Fit Rio! People Rave about Vidic! But i feel its Ferdinand that makes Vidic look good! he keeps him Organised and makes the defence tic!
Missing Right Back – nev cant stay fit long enough, is lacking match fitness, The Disapearance of Raf and Brown.
Oshea – Lovely Lad and Tries, but a very poor player in my books! never looks comfortable on the ball. Passing awful! Id rather have our reserve right back! The only positives i have about Oshea is that sometimes when we are short he does the job!
Ronaldo – Ronaldo has been ok this season! What can you say about someone who has missed many games but is top of the scoring charts! I do wish he would undertake some defencive duties! I dont expect him to track back all the time but he could at least show some pride when he gives the ball away would he not have the drive to try and win it back?
Midfield – Is changing too often, I dont think Scholes is Match Fit as he is playing every now and then! Giggs on the other hand is shining and Carrick is playing like a reserve player! Carrick and Scholes are supposed to be supreme Passers and have great ability keeping posession! It hasnt showed the last fre games!
Silly Sending offs! – Vidic – Rooney – Shcoles! Although Rooney i think is the worst culprit! Already a man down and he acts like a twat!!
Berbatov! – Some may disagree but this fella drives me mad! Im not convinced about him at all! I dont see what anyone sees in him! it has been said he is the closest thing to eric cantona! Erm. From what i have seen he wouldnt be fit to shine his boots!
Tevez! – Not playing enough! Low in Confidence! Maybe we need to clarify if we are keeping him or not! Might do both parties justice! Although 30 mil is a bit much for him!
Nani – Can only say where has the real nani gone! Please stand up !!! Please Stand up!
I Agree. The return leg will show what we’re made of…If we are the best team in Europe, we should be able to beat Porto away in a one off game.
@ scoopster
really good point
maybe a bit harsh on berba in my opition but still know what your on about
rooney never needs to calm down his attitude thou sometimes its expressed wrong but i always love to see it expressed
and one more point i think you where too nice to nani
This is my take on it all.
I said yesterday pre game…..lads dont get carried away. Ofcourse there were some usual lot on here….’ bring on the dippers in rome’ ‘ porto mauling’ ‘ sunday win will shoot us into 5 trophy land’ blah blah blah.
Porto are a top team…yes the draw was easier than getting barca bayern or the english teams. But they are the champs of their country and have fit fresh healthy young players. On the other we are shaky, look fatigued, drained, mentally physically all over the shop and are LETS FACE IT….there for the taking by anyone. I was pretty nervy before the game…why???? Cos kiko ‘s goal on sunday only papered over some big fuckin cracks. Like putting a selotape over a burst mains pipe. That why a 1-0 nil would have done me. As it is…we’re hanging off the cliff with 1 nail intact.
ANALYSIS OF THE GAME.
1. First half worst showing ever
2. Scholesys worst performance ever…i hate saying it as he has always been my fave player. But failsworth is right….he’s past it man.
3. Carrick got virus too.
4. Could and should have been down 3-0 first half.
5. Gifted back into the game.
6. Defence pathetic
7. Centre mid??? what centre mid..soft centre
8. Park…hard worker? what else. Failsworth is right again..im sorry guys we dont have a world class midfielder in the centre.
9. We come back into the game
10. 2-1 up…..dont deserve it. But we’ll take it
11. Oh yeh Cariltos on hulk was a pen
12. Yes our players looked jaded…and as that porto player ran..you feared the worst…fletcher and carrick were running like they were climbing a mountain. He kept going….i shouted just fuckin drop him, foul him, get a fuckin yellow..free kick time to regroup…..you could see the nightmare happening before it happened. Vida had to come out due to midfiled doing f all. Which meant JOS had to take vidas man….which meant Nevo had to take JOS man. Nevs left with quandry. Stuck between a rock and a hard place…but he took the right option in my eyes…go to the first man….which he did. He was exposed…but what could he do. Infact the cross was coming right to him to head away……but guess what. JOS glanced it on….which took it off the head of nevo…straight to the lad..VDS could have saved it, but the lad took it well. Unfortunate or fuckin sloppy in last mins. You make your own mind up.
13. Now we are are fucked
suhayl, keep the faith mate I know it’s hard at the moment but we should win in Portuagal, if we don’t then we do not deserve to be in the competion. We miss Hargo in the centre in my view no doubt but asked to play two big game sin 48 hours is a fucking joke.
to think winning 1-0 in porto would be too risky.Fergie has to start with a 4-4-2 which surely is going to be an open game again & we will love it if we win 3-2 or 4-3. BELIEVE
Its ok saying a 1-0 in Portugal will do but can anyone see our defence not conceding. Having said that I still think we will do it. League is definately my priority though. As we all know the lads play best when their backs are to the wall. Come on United!
I ask the question…is this a team REALLY CAPABALE OF WINNING 5. OR ARE THE CRACKS THAT WERE HIDDEN, NOW ON SHOW FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE????
This is how i see the things that have or are possibly wrong:-
1. On performances alone…we dont deserve to be where we are..infact we d be in midtable
2. Season started poorly…picked up in the middle and now falling apart at the seams.
3. Injuries suspensions tiredness havent helped 1 bit yes. And when we ve lost players its always been in a cluster in one flamin area.
4. Seriously how do we miss hargo…or anderson not stepping up to the plate. We miss a senna, makelele, essien, mascherano ball winner in the centre. Cos hate to say it lads….ive said this all year…we dont have a WORLD CLASS MIDFIELDER IN THE CENTRE. A tackler a keano type grafter and leader. Fletcher a steady eddie..honest lad….park hardworker nowt else..carrick nice and easy BUT NOT WORLD CLASS. And thats why when you match our first 11 v the others…they are just a good a match if not better in that area.
5. The top 4 prem mini league prooves it this season. 4 points from the head to heads v dippers, arse and chelski. Dippers = 13
6. We re being labelled the playground bully who picks on little kids. Is this true?????? Cos at the moment any decent team that attacks us or has a go….we seem to crumble like a deck of cards. Thats what porto said pre game…..utd are fragile…there for the taking.
7. Kikos goal was great and it gave us a great sunday. But surely the true fans knew…it was just papering over cracks villa opened time and time again. Selotape on a mains burst pipe. Form is one thing you cannot switch on and off. Blip isnt over….we havent come through the dark woods. champagne football isnt to be seen.
8. C’mon guys the writings been on the wall for some time. Blackburn game, Newc game, inter game. It then blew up v dippers, fulham, porto. Got lucky v villa. All teams that went for us and we capitulated.
9. Im sorry to say guys the writings been on the wall for some time. Its just now the shit is hitting the fan. I mean c’mon last season..we were scoring for fun. Id like to know but im sure we must be down 25 goals from last season at this stage??
10. Every season our goal difference is +10 +15 better than the next team. This season??
11. Last year year before…we were free attacking spirits….holy trinity etc. This year we are turgid and predictable.
12. Ronaldo has lost form. But surely our fave player Scholsey is just getting found out time and time again along with a few.
13. Last season we topped the clge group stage..5 wins 1 draw…which was amazing. We were ruthless..beating the best in france italy and spain.this year we couldnt beat villareal over 2 games….and drew with mighty aalborg at home!!!!…struggled past inter and got pasted yesterday.
14. Time to open the eyes guys…seriously the cracks have been there…many many a game has prooved that this season….bar the west broms etc.
15. MIckey P!!!!!!!!!!!!! what the fuck. The fat fuck doesnt know jack. He makes us look a laughing fuckin stock. Fuckin do we miss CQ THIS MUCH???????????
16. Whilst the other teams get form and fitness..players back and riding on the crest of a wave…eg arsenal…chelski and ofcourse those buzzed up dippers. We on the other hand are going backwards quicker than you can say fuckin backwards.
17. Our players look mentally physically fucked
18. Im not confident in any game we go into now. Can any utd fan seriously sit here and say sunderlands a win???? Cos i cant…..kenwyne jones and cisse could have a great time too ala hulk and l’ssandro. Can anyone really say utd are faves in those games??? Cos nothing is certain now at all!!!!! sunderland look faves to me.
19. Sell nani…sell JOS…fuck sake i dont care if brown or rafeal are injured..fuckin play them.
20. There we were saying we’ll do this and do that. Well…seriously at this present moment we could win fuck all. I say put eggs in 1 basket and try to retain prem. Cos this fave tag in clge is a myth and we could be left with shit come the end. Just go for it in 1 competition. Im bloody worried….i saw a look in SAFS eyes last night after the game…which i havent seen for years. A worried look….a deep pensive look…saying what the fuck do i do.
WORRYING WORRYING TIMES!!!
Ive noticed alot of people slating Scholes and yes last night he was terrible but he’s had some good games this season, Scholesy hasnt ‘lost it’ like some people have suggested he is just older now and more inconsistant his experience will come in handy now and then throughout the season but it wouldnt suprise me if he retired soon.
The man is still a living legend.
Regardless of what we wanted, we have to appreciate that Porto we’re far and away the better team last night. Part of being successful is the fixture pile up that always happens, so we cant complain. We’re good enough to win in Porto, however notoriously difficult it is over there, so lets hope we get the desired result. If we fail over there, then it will probably show to be the wrong choice.
Credit where it’s due though, Porto we’re excellent. And Lisandro Lopez looked like he was playing to show people how good he is. I for one would love to see him in a United shirt, he could be the goal poacher we’ve required since Ruud left.
POSITIVES:-
1. No matter my previous post….i’ll keep believing in OUR BELOVED TEAM.
2. WE’LL KEEP TRUSTING SAF
3. Berba could be back
4. Wazza was our shining light yesterday
5. Evra looked better 2nd half
6. We re not mathematically out yet
7. 2-1 win would have left us stuck in quandry. We would have said pre 2nd leg yes we re going out to win…but like the brain works…you always try to defend what youve got. Hence knowing a draw of any kind was good enough. We probs would have sat back and conceded anyway. Hence then would have had to change the game plan mid game. Atleast NOW we know what to do from the off. GO OUT AND FUCKIN WIN AT ALL COSTS. Hence no 2nd options or dilly dallying..which may help.
8. Get knocked out…help our tired players in the prem run???
9. Anderson could return…another player back. hopefully we dont lose womone else in the meantime.
10. Rio back HOPEFULLY
11. People / Media writing us off..which is good i always feel.
12. My incessant prayers could be answered and we suddenly get back on track.
ANY OTHER POSITIVES LADS??? LOL
Don’t want to appear to be singling any one player out but the first five or six times park got the ball he gave it away three times and put the rest into touch.
For me that just about summed up the first half performance and ronnie giving the ball away and standing with his eyes raised to the skys whilst the opposition then went onto to score. again.
Very worrying dip (plummet) in form from the boys at the moment, althought the second half was much better, couldn’t have got any worse tho.
Something is going to have to give, remember rangers when they had all those games to play towards the end of (was it last season) when they had masses of games and their season fell apart.
The boys need to focus more, the closing down, passing and general effort haven’t been there for a while, maybe I noticed it in the home leg against inter first.
Come on boys, seven weeks of hard graft and it could be all ours.
COME ON UNITED
On the Scholes subject, anyone with eyes could see he was awful last night. But he is a legend, and just because he may not be up to the levels he was a few years back, he’s still a fantastic footballer on his day. I’d love to see Scholes, Giggs and Neville around for as long as possible, even if it’s just for the odd appearance here and there.
I have to say, if Charlton, Law, and Best deserve a statue, they deserve one too. 3 of the greatest servants this club has ever seen, easily. Dont write them off just because they are not what they once was.
Let me put this in a different perspective.Since we came back from Japan,it has been 24 games in 102 days.That’s one game every 4 days.That’s crazy.I remember MArtin Edwards justifying our withdrawal from the FA Cup by saying that you can’t ask the players to play 80 games a season cause you will kill them.He was obviously exaggerating but counting Internationals and friendlies,some players are getting pretty close to that number.
Out of topic:what is this world coming to?O’Neil being charged by the FA!O’Neil who is like my softspoken favourite uncle.Yet Beneathus wasn’t even asked for explanations about his rant.Funny world guys.
REDMANC…ofcourse he is a living legend…he’s my fave player of all time….watched him since day dot. But yesterday first 25 minutes…..when pass after pass after pass went astray…1 man i expected to be on the buzzer was our scholsey…yet he misplaced 6 routine passes..his head dropped…he became more anonymous and the SAF took him off. Mate i had a tear in my eye. I dont wana see this legend be remembered for most of those kinds performances. And with age theyre happening more times than not. Im sure he wouldnt want to play like that too. He’s said it often enough. That when the days comes when im losing my ability to do things on the pitch….i’ll hang my boots up. His goals have gone….god forbid his pssing to go….cos if it does. There is nothing left.
I want to be so emotional and sentimental about OUR ginger prince…ginger magician. But we HAVE to face reality and the present predicament and the future ofcourse.
I hope im wrong and he prooves me wrong big time. But i hate to say it…it would kill me if it came to the stage where he got hurled off each time he played…or the crowd turned on him due to lacklustre performances. iD RATHER PLAYERS LEAVE ON A HIGH…RATHER THAN PLAY AN EXTRA COUPLE YEARS AND BE REMEMBERED FOR age does.
Prime example of that is ALI. Went on longer than he should have done. Im not saying scholsey is done and dusted…..nut each game i see him play the writing on the wall gets clearer. Sad..and it hurts me so much….but its true mate
The problem with Scholes is that he hasn’t adapted to the change of times like Giggsy has.I know that there is a role in the United team for Scholes.We just haven’t figured it out yet.He certainly can’t start games like Porto anymore.Maybe he could be used as a sub when others are tiring.
“winning 1-0 in porto would be too risky”
That would invite 2004 nightmares; deja-vue all over again. Remember, IF Howard had turned away that cross – rather than turning into Costinha’s path – UTD would have won the second leg, even allowing for the appalling decision against Scholes’ legitimate goal.
On Wednesday, SAF must play Carrick/Fletcherinho as holding midfielders, Giggs in front of those two and an attacking trident (Carlitos, CR7, and TheWhitePele) given license to roam.
Porto proved to be dangerous on the counter-attack so anything less than a two-goal cushion is going to provoke squeaky bums. Fun, eh ?
spot on costas.
oh yeh i found another positive.
13. Porto cannot surely play like that and attack like that again!!! surely not????? Cos they know a draws plenty for them. So they may back off..be nervous..be cagey be hands off. As for us….WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE.
Then again no team beats them at the dragao….no british team EVER has!!!
Damn there goes that positive
you are not fair to Scholesy. the team as a unit was awful. stop searching for loosers.
of course i believe in the team. after emotional evening i am again positive.
but i would prefer 3-2 to 1-0. too risky.
but as Vida’s said we will be very cautious.
Sorry to write again, but my fucking god some people are fairweather fans. We’re top of the sodding league WITH a game in hand, 3 trophies already won (Charity Shield, WCC, Rumbelows Cup), still in the FA Cup, and still in the Champions League. So we’re having a blip, so what? Everyone has them, we’re having ours now. We’ll get over it, hopefully in time for next week.
The problem all season is that we havent had a settled team, due to injuries and suspension, the guy who carried us an awful lot last season has been nowhere near as good this season, and our new £30m striker has taken a lot of time to bed in fully which has completely disrupted the team. Considering that, i’m pretty fucking happy.
And to think that next season you gotta hope Berbatov will be well and truly up and running and of found his place in the team, Brown and Hargreaves will hopefully be fully fit, Anderson and Nani will of gotten over SSS, Tosic will be pushing for a first team place, Rooney and Ronaldo will be another year older and wiser, Rio will of had a full summer to get over this back problem he keeps having, the whole Tevez saga will be sorted one way or the other, the Da Silva twins will be better, Ljalic will join, and i personally think we’ll have a lovely gleaming new striker to purr over, and we’ll hopefully of equaled the dippers number of league titles, everything looks pretty sodding rosy to me. And a bad run of form wont change that.
davetian
it’s very simple.
2006-2007 was a wonderful season.
2007-2008 they’ve got wiser. we’ve got bunch of 20 mln players. We should’ve built on this. yes! in terms of the trophies YES. But the game?
2008-2009 what happened ? yes, i am too harsh on us. but did you see the first half ? oh my gosh! i haven’t seen this for years.
maybe too straight and simple but it is annoying.
corea and davetian…im not trying to be deliberately negative nor become a doom and gloomer. And being a 25 year season ticket holder…does not and will never make me a fair weather fan. Our team is open to criticism at the moment…we expect better and thats what im trying to point out.
i didnt single out scholsey…i listed things QUESTIONS I POSED TO THE LADS for DEBATE…ABOUT WHAT POTENTIALLY IS WRONG OR COULD HAVE WRONG OR THINGS THAT ARE APT OR RELEVANT. Open to discussion…open to accepted or dismissed. Thats all. A list of 20 negative things which could answer a few questions…open to debate.
And a list of positives that followed…again open to debate or discussion….points to be added or excluded. I just put the points up there to see what lads thought…hence i started with so many ?????????????????? as the heading. Some points i do believe some points i want to gleen what our faithful think. Thats all.
Debate and discussion…so dont get SODDING worked up. Blimey
I think that the REAL reason we havent been upto it this season is because of a lack of a world class central midfielder..Sorry but Carrick isnt upto the mark..say watever you want but he is nowwhere near the level of the Gerrards or the Xavis or even Lampard…He cant seem to lift his game when we arent doing well plus he is not combative enough…All along we have been led to believe that he is a more artistic type of a defensive midfielder who doesnt necessarily need to indulge in crunching tackles to make himself felt but the fact is that if you are in the engine room you need to stamp your authority…We seemed to be outrun in the middle of the park and carrick has to take the blame…when the going gets tough he is just not there…As for Ronaldo..agreed he is the league’s top scorer but giving awayt the ball and not making any effort to track back not only puts the fans on his back but it also doesnt inspire any confidence in your team mates…say whatever you want about teams marking him more but he seems to have lost the ability to run at defenders and actually beat them…He seems to be becoming a centre forward but since Park is almost useless in the attacking sense on the other wing what this does is deprive us of any width especially since Rafael is not there which makes it easier for the other teams to push on against us knowing that we will ahve to operate through the middle and since our midfield is average thats a massive problem…..And for all his brilliant man management skills Sir Alex got it woefully wrong by playing Rooney alone upfront because he is half the player when he plays there..I mean comeon …we were at home and not against the likes of Barca or something…If Tevez was that tired we could have played Wayne off someone like a Welbeck or a Macheda….We needed to attack but all we did was waste possesion and that unsettled our defence…the problem why we’ve been shipping in so many goals is due to our shambolic midfield and when they are playin as atrociously as yesterday it certainly permeates to the defence…. 7 games still left in the league but the team doesnt look up for…I am feeling shite and useless..I hope the lads feel the same way and get back on their feet…COME ON UNITED!!
suhayl
it’s ok. your posts are always very interesting and original
maybe it is more simple ? after two succesful seasons this season was kinda transition one ? in terms of our goals no. but remember what we were talking about at the beginning of the season ? yes. we were hoping that our players we remain hungry for success and won’t rest on laurels. since the start of the season we weren’t convincing. then was this series of games without conceding. but to be fair we didn’t look brilliant.
what can we say. tevez – good solid season last year but nowadays too many questions.
look who we brought in the team after the 2006-2007 season.
Ando – last season better than this. Nani – awful, didn’t get much of the chances but didn’t impress on any of the occasions. hargo –
what i want to say. nothing has changed that much in terms of the material. but the most important thing (Madrid – the bad example) is how you manage your players. something happened. i do not know what exactly.
if we win 5 titles at the end of May my speech won’t have much sence.
but i just do not like the manner of out play and this first halfs . i miss the 06-07 team.
Lets face it united have been really average all season, I’m literally surprised where we are and how we got to it while being poor all season.
Chaos – I think it says a lot about Chelsea and Liverpool. We’ve been off the boil ALL season yet are still in best position in the league. You could count on one hand the amount of great performances we’ve had this season. We might get away with it this year, but I don’t think our title rivals will stand still over the summer, and we certainly need to do something to improve.
I honestly think he would be a back up to ronaldo when we got him.We cant play both at the same time. And i think Nani will play when ronaldo moves on. There is no way a player can be playig once every 4 games and be o the top of his game, i think you should lay off. Nani is not good at defending Ronaldo dont defend, how can we possibly play them both? I think he would be good in the attacking midfield role, sort of like Hleb done for arsenal.
Wrong post Thread grrrrrrr
Scott, we have the players. We just have to find the next right number 2 and do something with our football.
lets face it. what are the chances for us to change our game dramatically NOW ? the injuries don’t make the task much easier.
Common guys. It aint over till is over.
We all should think positive and believe that we can win, otherwise no point going over there at.
Not too long ago, we were two nil down against Juventus, yet we emerged victorious. It can surely happen in Porto.
Believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hehe ) The main point of our discussion was the lack of the real leader )
lets hope we will find it in Portugal. This game is beginning to become mouthwatering an nail-biting. can’t wait. please, guys, show us the real ManU.
Well in Turin there was Roy Keane.At Leverkusen,it was also Roy Keane(too bad the others let him down).At Porto who might lift the team?In my mind,only Wayne can do it.
Good post Scott. Too much negativity and wild emotion from too many others. I’m sure people like to show their tactical acumen and analytical skills regarding United, especially after a deeply disappointing result like last night’s. But which of these players will improve if they read all this stuff? How will the team as a whole improve? What inspiration will Fergie take from any of it? Do you think he’s scanning the net for tactical advice on what to do with 2 of his best right backs injured and 2 of his best centre halves out too, with others in his back 4 struggling to adapt? I have said it before, but perhaps I can try to put it another way. Is your priority competing with each other in ability to knock United players? Are you more concerned to vilify O’Shea/ Nani/ Park/ Carrick/ Scholes/ Evra/ Berba etc or do you want to think of ways to help United? Those of you wanting United to sell half the team, could you bear to wait till the cllose season , or should they all be put on the transfer list now, just to get them in the mood for Sunderland? How all those Scousers who dip into this site must love all this. Sadly it’s not Rafa cracking up, or even Fergie, it’s United fans.
i wouldnt swap our hard earned 3pts from sunday for a win last night.
Giles Oakley
ok. what should we do here ? laud our players no matter what ?
yes. we are not the tactics geniuses but every human beeing wants to think and to analize something. it’s in our nature.
i love every single of our players but even the most patient fans during the live game criticise some of them. we are fans not robots.
I have just read every single comment… and Suhayl who speaks a hell of a lot of sense has nailed it again for me…
There has been cracks papered over all season… i aint jumping on the band waggon… neither is Suhayl…
The fact is.. we have been poor all season… we have not come close to our performances last season… we havent come close to scoring the amount of goals either…
Do we put this down to Fatigue? Poor Form? Players not good enough? Tactics?…. well in all fairness, i think it is a combination of the whole lot..
With regards to Fatigue.. there is a handful, and i mean a handful of the squad that i can say can use the excuse of fatigue..
With regards to Poor Form… CR7 has spent more time moaning, and hissy fitting, than just getting on with his game, and proving why so many voted him Player of the year on every single level last season… and yes he has a 1 goal in 2 ratio… but he only has 5 assists this season… that aint right surely… and it must infuriate the likes of Wazza who tracks back from a front line position to support the team, when u see the likes of CR7 hands on hips looking up to the sky coz he hasnt had a decision go his way… coz i know it winds me the fuck right up…
Scholesy… Yes a legend… one of my personal favourites over the years.. but is it coincidence, tell me if im wrong but he hasnt been offered a 1 year extension yet has he? yet Nev & Giggsy has… i just wonder if the eye condition he suffers has got worse… Scholesy was always a scorer, and clinical passer… well i think correct me if im wrong.. he has scored 1 goal this season.. and from the games i have seen he has been far from clinical with his passing, in fact very very poor.. and you dont just lose that with age… in fact you get better… so that tells me there is something wrong.. and if there is then he shouldnt be playing..
I think the fact that no 1 year extension has been offered, the fact that Joe Royle is at Oldham til the end of the season, and Scholesy is a life long Latics fan, then i can see if you put 2 + 2 together then u could see the ginger price going there as player manager etc..
Michael Carrick… he doesnt score enough for me… dont get me wrong when he is on his game… he is awesome… but how often are we treated to this??? Not very often… he can be a sublime passer, great finisher, with fantastic accuracy… but…. we are not being graced with this so far this season, prob half a dozen really good games, the rest average…
Ji Sung Park… will work his socks off for us.. and i love his work ethic… but there is simply no end product.. none whatsoever, and i still stand by my opinion even though the effort is there, that he is simply a marketing tool for the Asian market..
John O’Shea… had a cracking first season, and has gone backwards in my estimation… silly schoolboy judgments… loses his position, doesnt view the game correctly.. i aint knocking his effort… he simply is not good enough… sounds harsh and critical, but its the truth… and i know you shouldnt blame only one player… but since Rafael and Nev have been injured and O’Shea has been playing since, i would love to know our win ratio and goals conceded… coz i tell ya he is a liabillity and totally unbalances the side… sorry but its true…
We are missing Hargo big time.. we are missing a player who can grab the game by the scruff of the neck… if we had a midfield enforcer last nite with a few minutes to go, that player would have got dropped before he got chance to get the cross in… but last nite there was 3 players around him that didnt make a challenge, and when poor Nev was in the box marking 2, u could see near the centre circle CR7 walking back without a care in the world… and i dont like that…
All of us lot would give blood, sweat and tears if we were ever that fortunate to wear that shirt at OT…..never mind get £100k a week for the priveledge… but i just havent seen that from certain players…
If only we could bottle up Wazza’s enthusiam and feed it to some of the other players… we would have a different team..
Players not good enough… well… i have covered a few.. O’Shea, Park, Nani is another… and i could go deeper into this… and people have been having a pop at Fletcher, but i actually genuinely believe that he is improving every season, and is always committed to the cause..
Tactics… they have been wrong all season… if we hadnt had such a good clean sheet run, and got away with the 1-0s… i actually dread to think where we would be in the league…
And a lot of things said over the last couple of days are right… attack and us and the legs buckle… coz we simply aint use to it..
Mike Phelan… sorry he is not a no2 at our club.. i think i would rather have Ralph Milne doin the job…
Can anyone honestly tell me that they have seen him this season, barking orders at the players from the touchline… he looks naive, almost embarrassed to be doin the job..
I know that CQ has the personality of a shredded wheat.. but the guy is astute and tactically aware…
I would never want CQ as manager… not saying that… its why the mix of SAF and his man management skills and CQ’s tactical abilities provided the perfect mix..
C’mon lets have a look at the tactics… Berbatov up front on his own against Fulham… HELLO… what the fuck is all that about… since when have we seen Berbatov, hold the line this season, prepared to chase and harrass across the 18 yard line for 90 minutes?? never have and never will see it… so why play him up on his own i will never know… especially after the defeat by the bin dippers.. we should have gone out there with attacking intent and give them an hammering..
The tactics last nite… what the fuck was that all about.. HOME tie, 1st Leg of the CL QFs and he plays one striker up front… yes, Wazza can hold the front line… but that isnt United at OT on a European night.. give me a break… we should have started with Wazza and Carlito… the only 2 attacking players we had last nite on the pitch at the start was CR7 & Wazza… and that give Porto the boost and bravado for them to have a right go at us.. and coz of that we was off the pace and rattled… and it could cost us dearly.. dont get me wrong yes.. we are more than capable of getting a 1-0 in Porto… but we really shouldnt have to be in that predicament… if we got the tactics right we could be 3-0 up and taking it easy in Porto…
Should have been Giggs, CR7, Wazza, and Carlito starting.. and if anything needing changing then you could have brought Macheda on and give him 20 mins more experiance, while his adrenaline was buzzing..
The tactics are wrong, the players dont like it.. the fans dont like it.. and its making us look nervous, and in honesty not providing attractive football at the mo.
I do not want lazy players in the shirt.. dont care how good they are or think they are… if you aint committed, aint good enough, and cant rise to the challenge, then the need to find another club is a real requirement..
Might sound harsh, over critical but the simple truth and facts is that we have not been good enough this season… and we really need to get our fingers out and start playing the united way… as SAF keeps goin on about.
Giles…i respect your opinion more than any on ROM.
Buts fans pay and support the team…they live and die for the team….they’ll support the team from day 1 till death. Players staff come and go. Fans live on forever. I feel every fan is right and is fully entitled to debate discuss or criticize if they feel they want to do so.
And at this present moment..fans feel the need to discuss and share their thoughts and opinons and emotions with their fellow fans. I find great comfort in sharing my opinions and thoughts. Fellow fans off different ilk can help you through hard times. Time to share…and have the arm round the shoulder from fellow fans. Its gets you through…it does with me. Im a pretty emotional nervy weak fan…always have been.
I feel ROM is a great help when you feel down and depressed.
Im sure the players dont care us much as us. And i very much doubt they read this or give a monkeys as to what we think. This is and our thoughts and opinions is for us..the fans
Park a work horse – not good enough
Berbatov – the best amount of assists and some goals – lazy, not enough
Ronaldo – 20 goals so far – not good enough
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1. We can not have the team which consists of 22 ideal players
2. SAF has bought Berbatov for 30 mln. I think it says if not it all but something.
I come here to celebrate wins and mourn losses with other United fans. It’s as daft to suggest we shouldn’t critique the bad performances as it would be to suggest we don’t celebrate the good ones.
Also Giles..there is no priority knocking competition…we re not competing and dont come on here trying to out do each other. We dont think it is a competition…..we come on here to express and share our love for the team.
No one is trying to knock or transfer all the players…and no one here is trying to come top of some vilifying contest. Those are just silly comments.
Our comments are neither going to help nor hinder the players….the players live in their 5 million pound mansions and im sure they get upto other things with their big pay packets than to read what we write.
We fans cannot have our say to the players…nor can can we express our views to the manager.
OUR only way to express our emotions whether it be anger, love, care, affection, moods etc etc etc etc etc etc etc whatever. Is to share it with OUR ROM fans from allround the world…expressing all the differing opinions…all opinions to read, to learn from, to give insight, to inform, to enlighten, to agree, to disagree, to get heated up, to get frustrated over. TO DISCUSS AND DEBATE.
PLEASE DONT BE HOLY THAN THOU AND DEPRIVE US OF THAT.
I’ll say 10 Hail Mary’s to that Suhayl me ole mucker lol..
I’m not saying don’t criticise and nor am I expecting you to be robots, but with post after post telling me O’Shea / Park/ Carrick etc aren’t good enough I look for some genuine insight, not the same old, same old. I would suggest that United’s problem is that the style of 2006-7, which was more stylish and attacking wasn’t the right way for Europe. That’s why the changes happened last season. The trouble this season has been that too many teams had learned a certain technique of defending en masse and hoping to nick a late goal or come away with a point. Slowly United have found a way of dealing with this without going gung-ho, hence the efficient but less exciting 1-0s. The problem now is that teams have moved ahead onto a new system against United, just when United got into this slower possession play groove. Opponents have learned to push up against our defence and have a go, as Blackburn tried to do, as the dippers did with spectacular success, and then Fulham (helped by self-destruction), then Villa did the same, followed by Porto. United’s tactics have been rumbled and all these opponents have turned us over. I suspect some people looked at the Hull game when we amazingly conceded 3 at home, showing everyone a way to get at United. That showed a lot of folks the key, press high up the pitch and hard on our midfield and defenders, don’t allow them time or space tp play the possession game. It’s terribly easy to blame the individuals playing for United when one of these tactical turning points come, but it’s not just about individual weaknesses. The irony is, Porto took a leaf out of United’s book, playing 3 up front,constantly moving and buzzing about just like United last year with Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo. We can’t simply go back to that because Giggs & Scholes no longer have the legs and the front 3 aren’t getting the service. Berba was bought to ‘unlock’ massed defences, 4 at the back plus 5 or 6 across the middle, just when teams have wised up to the new merits of pressing and tempo up front. It’s a tricky time for United because we don’t have an all-action line-leading centre forward, except maybe Macheda. Notice how everything changed with him on the pitch. Suddenly there was pressure on the VIlla central defence and movement to create openings. But it’s a big ask to expect a 17-yerar old to do it now, with the stakes so high. Fergie has some thinking to do, over tactics but also about juggling his tired and injury-riddled squad. But I’m sure of one thing, the constant sniping at players really does not help. I don’t remember United winning major silverware against a barrage of criticism like this, so I agree, don’t be robots, but do think about what you’re saying. Does it help or hinder the cause?
well said Scott, league is the priority and it’s quite amazing how quickly people are writing us off. Even if we had won yesterday we would still play for the win next week. At least now we know that we must go for goals and i fully expect us to go through.
I aint being critical of you here Giles mate, as i respect your comments totally pal… but are you really happy for us to adapt that type of footballing policy?
The likes of Park. O’Shea ok… maybe not Carrick (but he has had a poor season)… but Park, O’Shea and Nani and simply not good enough… now that aint being personal to them, its being honest to the fact..
We are missing sommat… and i do stand my ground when i say that we have an issue with tactics as the 2 examples i listed above… are no way united tactics, and its frustrating to watch them type of tactics… and im sure it is frustrating for the players as well..
I aint saying the season is in ruins… what we are trying to say is… the season could go arse up if things arent rectified soon, with players needing to roll the sleeves up and getting stuck in for one another… as there is players in the squad that are happy to be carried by others when out on that pitch..
With regards to Macheda… 17 years old.. Rooney was 16 in the EPL… Giggsy was 17 when he made his debut…
I aint too sure.. i would throw him into the mix and see… what 17 year olds have his no fear… and total hunger and adrenaline, and its kinda infectious to the other players… and i think it can do no harm by giving him more time on the pitch as a 1st team player..
Really hope your right James… just think if we had got the team selection correct last night, and got the win, then it could be a hell of a lot more comfortable next week, but now it aint, and i aint gonna have any nails left again.. but “Thats the United way”.. lol
Great post. Did i insult some of our players ?
Did i say smth thoughtlessly ?
My main point is that we have the players but don’t know how to use them in the best possible way.
Tevez situation, Berba etc just shows that.
And another thing. We are not Nostradamuses. But i think if we were a little bit more lucky with the injuries we would of won CL that season (06-07). And FA Cup as well. Remember the Portsmouth game ?
I don’t accept that players are not affected by the things fans say just because they’re in mansions. They may not read these blogs (though I’m certain some do, as we know several are constantly on their computers) but the atmosphere among supporters at matches is created by what people are saying in places like this, all of which reaches the press, which the players certainly DO read. You can also see the nervous twitchy atmosphere at games. It was measured at Wembley when Spurs fans out-shouted United’s. We have sneered at Anfield booing their team off after a 0-0, but when it comes to the atmosphere there now compared to Old Trafford I’m sorry to say the dippers are winning. Almost the only thing supporters can do is affect the mood. Right now is not the time for negativity. Debate how players are performing , of course, I’m not saying don’t do that, but there are ways of doing that which are undermining and ways which are constructive and supportive.We all know the weaknesses of certain individuals, but when there are no alternatives, does it help to slag them of over and over and over again?
Barca – Bayern 3-0
Scousers – Dippers 1-1
Barca clearly are the favorites for the CL. I’m already thinking how would we play them in the final
DDDDD If seriously don’t know what would we do with Barca in this kind of form.
sorry ) scousers – rent boys )
Lets all agree to disagree here… we are all on the same side.. we all want the team to succeed and get us trophies..
But… we must all accept that we have different views on different players… and if we all thought the same, then there would be no point of this fantastic site RoM, as there would be no need to debate…
If players did read or get wind of anything we write, which personally i hope they do, coz if it was me, then i would take it as a kick up the arse, and would wanna prove everyone wrong who was doubting me…
At the end of the day… its the fans that put these players on the pedestal… and its upto the players to keep themselves on the pedestal..
lol Corea
I want to add something.
In order to critisize players you should support the team at the stadiums.
Nowadays it is not that ideal
FailsworthDevil
hehe ) idiot ))
its a shame that our home support isn’t sometimes that good because our away support is simply incredible. I do believe that there isnt much more our players need to be told, they just need a confidence boost and a good win. Will it come against Sunderland? who knows. I can see us turning it around at Porto though, with Ferdinand and Anderson back and with Rooney and Tevez up front. We just need to believe in the players who have got us to this position.
FSW talk too much ? )))
scousers – rent boys 1-2
LOL
3-1 to rent boys ))))
hahahahahhahhaha
James im with ya on the above mate… totally… just a shame i cant even afford it anymore pal…
Young family, mortgate up to the eyeballs.. the travelling goes on a back burner mate..
Corea… the rent boys are cruising this… which i hope… means that next week, the dirty bin dippers and rent boys will end up kick shite out of each other.. which in turn will help us with the league..;
As long as we get the 18 this year to match the dirty dippers i will be happy… but i would love us to get the dirty dippers in the CL final, even though that doesnt look likely now… but would love to win the 18, then do them in the final… would shut merseyside up for a long long time..
I’m sorry if I’ve offended anyone as I actually agree with lots that has been said. And I take your point Suhayl about fans sharing thoughts, as I wouldn’t be here now if I didn’t want that too. I think many of the comments about players are correct, unfortunately, but I just think now is not really the time to dwell on what’s gone wrong. My main aim is to get the fans at Old Trafford to do their bit, which they don’t seem to be doing. (I take it back about Anfield, that was hilarious tonight!) I don’t want to pull age rank but in my experience, the teams that win things have supporters who don’t panic. Yes they criticise when needed, and players do sometimes need a kick up the arse, but overall there is a kind of relentless quality to the support that doesn’t wait to be inspired by the players (as with Old Trafford going crazy only after Macheda’s goal) but takes on the task of inspiring the players when things are going wrong. I keep asking myself, how can we as fans affect things, even when we can’t get to games. Costas for example, I know he’s in Greece (lucky man, wish I was right now) so what can he do to help win things? My answer, and I may be wrong , is to attack the enemy (that’s why I love Scott’s targeting of the FSW), downplay weaknesses, and generally set the tone for how the media cover things. Right now the press knows we as supporters are spooked, they know how nervous we are, and how much scapegoating is going on. That all has the effect of amplfying the anxiety levels every time United play, increasing the pressure on players who have been struggling with form and fitness. That’s why I keep asking people to consider what effect the constant criticisms have on someone like John O’Shea. There is no better right back available (although I would try Evra there, with Fabio at left back against Sunderland) so we have to help him get through his crisis of confidence. By all means disagree with my schemeing to help United, but let’s have other ideas how to do. Simply pointing out what’s gone wrong doesn’t get very far.
Giles Oakley, couldn’t agree with you more. Thats not to say Suhayl and Failsworth devil are wrong or not entitled to their opinions, they’re obviously die-hard Reds.
Discontent on the terraces is the quickest and surest way to affect confidence on the pitch.The one thing we as fans have in our control is the choice to express our support of our players positively or in a negative manner. As Giles said, what do you think will help the team most? I agree to some extent with the “papering over the cracks comment ” but feel that this is simply a rocky period prolonged somewhat by the sheer number of games we’ve had. Every team has this period. Barcelona had one recently and Bayern looked excellent just a few weeks ago yet woeful now. I’m grateful that ours has come whilst we have a small cushion, a cushion we earned by right.
As Scott has said, if we can not go to Porto and win, we probably dont deserve that success this year. I’m certain we can and will.
Going to Porto and winning is usually well within our capabilities,just not on current form. If we’d had two weeks before the second leg I would have fancied us that little bit more,but I don’t know if we’ll get out of this slump by next wednesday
If we do go out,at least it won’t be the dippers winning it anyway!!!
Giles mate, you aint offended me… far from it… i respect anyones opinion on here… and yours blood… i agree… we gotta give positive noise from the terraces thats sommat is required and the players will always get..
Its like Suhayl said earlier… sometimes you need somewhere to sound off, and put your thoughts over and see what everyone else thinks.. to see whether we are off the mark with what we think or whether everyone else is in agreement…
Thats the good thing about debate… thats the good think about RoM… there is no barriers… we all say what we think and feel.. thats our right as loyal fans… and if the players do read these comments, then they gotta stick there chest out and take the good comments with the bad… and go prove us fans wrong in our not so often hour of critiscms..
I hope we do Porto next week…
Would have loved to have got the bin dippers in the Champs Lge Final though lol..
Suhayl, Failsworth and Giles some excellent posts. I know exactly what you are saying Giles about not giving the dippers the satisfaction of seeing us all argue amongst ourselves and slag the team etc. The only problem with mocking them though is everytime we have done it recently it has come back to bite us on the arse! Anyway after tonights performance and score everything seems alot rosier.
scott – i completely agree with the entire content of this post… i think that it should be the premier leagues responsibility to sort out the fixtures as is the case in italy (where teams playing in the CL have re-scheduled games) or even more logically a mid season break (a notion that would be widely backed by the leagues managers, not least fergie). unfortunately as it is, this is the downside of being successful in so many competitions. on the other hand i feel that we shoot ourselves in the foot somewhat with our pre-season preparations in recent seasons. we always seem to end up with a slew of injuries at this stage of the season (think back to the tailend of the season before last when the entire back four was missing for the san siro game) and i personally believe that a (less lucrative) preseason closer to home would be more conducive to players’ fitness
We are still in with a chance in all competition, so lets beat Sunderland this Sat & then go and set a British club record at the Dragao & be the 1st British team to beat Porto at home – 1-0 should do it & I don’t care who scores, even an own goal by Bruno Alves will be ok for me!
i just can’t believe how people are now saying that United are as good as out. Porto are a decent side but if you can’t see us beating them then how does anyone think we will beat Everton in a weeks time or Arsenal or City etc. We may not get through now but i still think we are favourites. If we score two goals over there then the away goals will no longer be to their advantage and i know United can beat Porto in a one off match
Fergi gamble on his old weak players Gary N, Scholes and the most weakest player John Oshea did not go well for MU. Scholes gave away a penalty against Liv, Gary and Oshea gave away two goals against Villa and also
against Porto. They both guilty of ball watching instead of manmarking.
He should bring on the youngsters instead of warming them on the bench and follow the example of Wenger and put high hope on them to perform.
These youngsters are more hungry to show their talent and win games.
Its about time to downgrade Scholes,Gary and Oshea to the reserved team
and compete in the Carling Cup.
ManU – Please change your user name. “He should bring on the youngsters instead of warming them on the bench and follow the example of Wenger” I think it may have been SAF who set the blueprint for playing the young ones.
“you will never win anything with kids” , this years carling cup victory and Macheda’s goal on Sunday come to mind.
Of course it paid off, who here would have preferred us to play at noon on Saturday and probably lose or draw(probably lose because even with the extras day rest we still didn’t play well) and then maybe win against Porto. Not me, could you imagine the press if we’d lost 3 games in a row? It was a tough gamble, but a sensible one, imo
ManU !!! PLEASE change your user name.
This has already been explained to your by myself and others. It is a derogatory expression used by other clubs in various anti-United slurs since 1958.
If you insist on using it then you do not know or CARE ABOUT the history of the club you claim to support.
Respect to all….but like me auld mucker failsworth said…..i cant bottle it up….we cant bottle it up…i have to let rip…let my emotions out. Or else i will go mad!!!
Its the fans that make any club around the world. People can talk about tv rights and money from those sources. But for me its the fans that pay the players wages. Its us who will always be there…when players staff management have long gone. We dont live a in perfect world…a utopian society. If everything was rosy…Scott would colour this blog pink….have some flowers andsmiley faces dotted everywhere.
The truth is our club isnt beyong rebuke or criticism. It makes mistakes…SAF even makes mistakes. And if we fans see things we feel aint right..then we are fully entitled to let rip. If JOS is crap…if the formation wasnt right…or whatever..Then the truth has to be spoken….no matter if its mundane.or the same old….or gets boring.
And when you let rip…..then those fans that do show how much MAN UTD our club means to them. Thats personally why i get worked up so much….the team the club is MY LIFE…it pains me deeply if summat bad happens and i speak from the heart…ala failsworth and a few others.
Thats all Giles. I know you’re right…we should get behind the team….believe me i always do….every time i go to OT….i sing my heart out and never stay quiet or remain disgruntled.
but on ROM…….there is that opportunity the tinternet has given us…all man utd brothers in arms…sharing their views..passion and live for the team.
and whether some come here…saying c’mon lads..all is good…..some say im not happy with this or that. The END game is…WE ALL LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR CLUB DEEPLY….WHOEVER OR WHATEVER WE SAY.
commenting late on this one cos I´ve been away snowboarding for a week. Got to watch the united -porto game in a apres ski pub surrounded by ABUs and I think what united were lacking was Supporters, were the fuck where they? How could it be that a handful of portugese chancers could whistle louder than the Stretford End could chant – pull your fuckin socks up!
I would give anything to be back at OT singing my fuckin lungs out for our lads – I used to be a season ticket holder before i left my hometown for mainland Europe and I want to remind you all what a privilege it is to be able to witness the reds at home- the least you could do is make sure you drown out a bunch of half witted portugese wankers.