“We have made Tottenham an offer on Berbatov and we have good expectations that this deal will go through,” Sir Alex Ferguson said yesterday. “Berbatov has been impressive during a long time and would be a great addition to our attack. I think time will work for us more than against us. We will not stress this situation. We are hoping to have a constructive conversation with Tottenham in the near future.”
After losing out on the player two years ago, it seemed as though Fergie was finally going to get his man. However, a press statement from Tottenham Hotspur later in the day threw a spanner in the works. Apparently Ferguson is a hypocrite…
“Today’s public comments by Manchester United’s manager, announcing that he has made an offer for Dimitar and is confident that the deal will go through with time working in their favour, is a blatant example of sheer arrogance and interference with one of our players,” said Tottenham Hotspur chairman, Daniel Levy, in a statement on the club’s official website. “It is also probably one of the worst offences by any manager in the Premier League to date and is unbelievably hypocritical given his recent comments in respect of Cristiano Ronaldo and Real Madrid. As a result, we have today made an official complaint to the PL about the conduct of Manchester United.”
Spurs have also thrown their dummy out where the dippers’ pursuit of Robbie Keane is concerned, reporting Liverpool to the Premier League as well.
“The behaviour of both clubs has been disgraceful,” Levy continued. “We told both clubs very early on that we had no interest in selling Robbie or Dimitar, respectively, and that they should refrain from pursuing the player. Both clubs arrogantly chose to ignore this request and we now have evidence that both clubs have systematically been working to prise the players away from us, outside of PL rules of conduct.”
Now, whilst I imagine Spurs aren’t overjoyed at the prospect of losing two of their strikers, I cannot abide by this cry-baby approach they are resorting to, as to compare this with the situation we have with Ronaldo is quite simply moronic.
Firstly, let’s take a look at what the respective clubs have been saying all summer about these transfer targets.
Juande Ramos
“We know the situation of Berbatov and we are calm about it,” he said in April. “If a team comes along and pays the asking price the chairman wants then possibly yes.”
“Berbatov is with us at the moment and we are going to enjoy having him with us,” he said at the beginning of May. “If he goes, we will have to look for a replacement for him but if not he will be here.”
“We will see what happens there, but we are talking about two very important players,” he said this week, in reference to Dimitar Berbatov and Robbie Keane. “For the moment they are with us, but whatever happens the idea is to have a great squad, with the potential to allow us to aim to improve on what we managed last season. At Tottenham, we have had a clear philosophy regarding buying and selling for years. The idea is signing young players, promising and talented ones, and if important offers for older players are made, studying it to see what is the best for the club.”
Sir Alex Ferguson
“I can say he’ll be a Manchester United player next season,” Ferguson said this week. “That’s our stance, he won’t be sold.”
Ronaldo is not for the sale has been the message from the United camp since the start of this saga. There has been no conflict of opinion coming out of Old Trafford. Ronaldo won’t be sold, rather will, without any doubt, start next season as a United player.
How then can Real Madrid’s following of Cristiano Ronaldo, where his club have on all occasions denied there being any chance the player will leave, be compared to United’s following of Berbatov, where his club have been open to his transfer? Quite simply, it can’t.
Secondly, to call Ferguson a hypocrite suggests that he is guilty of what Real Madrid have been doing all summer. Whilst Ferguson has spoken to the press this week about Berbatov, to liken that to the stalking Ronaldo has received over the past few months is absolutely ridiculous.
Now, had Fergie been speaking to the press about his intentions over Berbatov regularly, I’d understand this claim he is a hypocrite. However, considering Fergie has spoken to the club and given the impression that the transfer was going to go through, why then should he be prevented from voicing this to the media? The Spurs manager has said if the price is right, the player can go. Should then Fergie presume that this isn’t the case at all?
Of course, we don’t know what was said in the private meetings between United and Spurs, we can only speculate. Spurs could have said categorically that there is no chance the player will be sold – but if that was the case, why would they be meeting with United in the first place? United haven’t held any meetings with Real Madrid to tell them they’ve got no chance, afterall. Or more likely, in my opinion, Spurs have told United they need to stump up more cash, or the deal won’t happen. Fergie will be waiting for clearance from the Glazers over the asking price and then further meetings can take place, with the hopeful conclusion, as Fergie mentioned, that Berbatov joins United.
Spurs are clearly trying to save face, fully aware that there is every chance they are going to lose out on both Keane and Berbatov, who are fed up of being promised glory, yet seeing little evidence to back it up. The strikers scored 23 goals each last season, so there isn’t much chance of the fans being happy to see them both leave. “Well it’s alright, at least we’ve got Darren Bent,” are not going to be the words crossing many Spurs’ fans lips at the moment. Of course Spurs can’t be seen to be selling these players without a fight, so this is where the pathetic report to the Premier League comes in.
Berbatov is a quality player and I think he’d add a lot to our side, however the behaviour of Spurs in this situation has pushed me over the edge, and they need to be careful it doesn’t work up Fergie’s temper in the same way. Their manager has told the press on numerous occasions that the player will be sold for the right price. This week, Fergie has said he believes they have met this price so expects the player to come to United. If Spurs have a problem, then they need to have a word with their touting manager, not the bloody Premier League!
United are reported to be offering close to three times what Spurs paid for Berbatov just two summers ago. We bought Michael Carrick off them for six times what they’d paid for him two summers before. They’ve made an absolute killing in the transfer market where United are concerned and now they’re going to pull a stunt like this?
Well screw them, as far as I’m concerned. United and Liverpool should both pull out of the deals, leaving Spurs with two strikers who desperately want to play for another team and who will resent Tottenham for denying them moves to their desired clubs, playing Champions League football.
Sorry Berb!
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Do pipe down you northern monkey.
I think you need to read what Levy said.. they asked about Berbatov and were told he was not for sale end of
Why are you keeping Ronaldo then? He desperatel;y wants to join Real
At the end of the day bridges have been burnt and Berbs wont go to Utd
Bye bye
Ol red Nose’s public comments about Berbatov come days after he was told ‘NOT FOR SALE’
Which part of tapping up do you not understand?
Personally, if I was Daniel Levy, I wouldn’t allow either Keane or Berbatov to join Liverpool and Manchester United.
I would block these potential transfers in the way that Ferguson pulled out all the stops to prevent Gabriel Heinze from moving from Manchester United to Liverpool not that long ago.
Why should we sell our best players to the likes of United and Liverpool?
If Berbatov and now Keane, both want to leave for Champions League football, then that is understandable. However, at the same time, we should play ‘hardball’ and under no circumstances let them move to one of the “big four”.
To hell with Manchester United and Liverpool, and Levy should tell them both to get stuffed and look elsewhere for players.
Its exactly the same, Man Utd have been pursuing Berbatov for a year now, leaks to press have been constantly coming out of Old Trafford since before the start of last season plus there’s Ferguson’s open ‘admiration’ of the player.
Liverpool’s modus Operandi is even worse, stick a bid in for a player that they haven’t got the money to sign, announce it to the press at the same time in the hope of creating unrest and getting him at a knock down price just like they did with Barry.
Fergie has never been guilty of mond games has he…this is exactly what has happend and both clubs have turned players heads and that is out of order. To say we got good money for Carrick…does this make it alright does it??? you lot are above everyone and can just come in, play your dodgy media games and get the result you wanted. We are trying to build things here at WHL and fergie is knocking it down. Typical, you should pull out of the berba deal to let him sulk but the same dont apply to ROnaldo who would jump at the chance to leave united…..Blinded
I think you are missing the point here me old fruit! Levy is a very shrewd business man indeed and by reporting you guys to the pl it will add just a few more million to msrs berbatov and keane. If not in the actual transfer fee then to placate the pl and spurs respectively. Far from spurs fans being upset, I would have thought an 18-20 million pound profit for berbatov and a 10-15 million pound profit on keane, who are both the wrong side of 25, will soon cheer them up. With around 45-50 million to spend on one, maybe 2 strikers, I’m sure msrs ramos and levy are laughing all the way to barclays. Levy has once again played you guys like a fiddle. Sickening really I know but at the end of the day ramos did state that it is not up to him who goes and so the “for the right price” doesn’t enter in to the equation. fergie is and has been tapping up and benitez has also. So in this case I would say reap what you sow and next time maybe fergie and benitez will keep their mouths shut until the glazers and levy’s of this world tie up the business end of things.
Me Thinks he doth protest too much!
The article would be ok if Fergie hadn’t been saying how much he wanted to sign Berbatov since the beginning of last season’s transfer window, using his mates in the press to add to the pressure.
It’s the same for anyone who has been at the top for a very long time, eventually they think thay can do anything, say anything and be above the rules. And he is probably right. After effectively accusing a referee of cheating last season the Premier League did nothing, so why should Ferguson care.
Thw hole PL concept and the Champions’ League (which is a joke…how many Champions finish 2nd, 3rd and 4th?) has made a few clubs so powerful that there is no effective competition, and allowing Ferguson to get away with this asset stripping will just compound the problem, unless of course you have red-tinted glasses. In any other profession it would be a case of encouraging people to break their contracts which I think is still illegal.
Anyway, good riddance to the Bulgarian sulk and the leprachaun…we are better-off without them.
As above. Utd were told not to bid any more as Berba wasn’t for sale. Therefore statements by Ferguson ( and the undoubted contact with the agent ) are against PL rules. Are you saying you are above the rules ?
Have you even read the statement from levy ?
“The behaviour of both clubs has been disgraceful. We told both clubs very early on that we had no interest in selling Robbie or Dimitar, respectively, and that they should refrain from pursuing the player. Both clubs arrogantly chose to ignore this request and we now have evidence that both clubs have systematically been working to prise the players away from us, outside of PL rules of conduct.
Well im sorry this doesnt sit well with you but seriously mate, get over yourself! You ‘cant abide’ by this action… well get you missus!! Fergie has been after Berbatov for some time and every summer since we’ve had him its been the same over and over, shout to the press, fuel them on and then plead ignorance over arrogance! Then scream blue bloody murder when someone does it to you.. regardless of the stances of either club at one time or another, ManU are doing the same to Spurs as Real are doing to them and im fairly certain you dont ‘abide’ by that either… Well aint life a bitch… we’ve had to accept whats going to happen with our strikers so im fairly certain that considering your possibly going to get one of them (unless Barca get to woo Mr Berbatov) you should be able to handle a complaint against you!!
Firstly let me say that it doesn’t matter how many times Fergie tried to influence Berbatov; he shouldn’t be doing it. Period! That is what makes him a hypocrite, because he condemns Real for the VERY SAME thing; their unwanted, public, advances towards a player they have been informed is not for sale!
Levy–who when all said and done, is the final authority on who Spurs will or will not sell–should be respected when he states: “We told both clubs VERY EARLY ON that we had no interest in selling Robbie or Dimitar, respectively, and that they should refrain from pursuing the player.” Fergie publicly claimed in the media yesterday stated that he expected the deal to be done; this is damning evidence of the fact that MAN U did not desist their pursuit of our player, the exact opposite of what they had been told by Levy.
Further, do you think Levy would come out and say publicly that he has evidence of this if, in fact, he had none? He states he has evidence that this has been going on for some time. So of course he has evidence, which is why Man U deserve everything they get.
In my view, the only way to discourage clubs from tapping up players is to make the penalties a disincentive; a points penalty is the only penalty that will do this, regardless of who the club is!
Londoner – go enjoy your league cup!
Spurs will see – they can do with the money. Ramos wants new blood. Difference is Utd don’t need to sell.
Your club is a joke.
It’s about time “Fergie” was made to pay for his complete disregard for anyone not wearing his colours. His behaviour has been disgraceful on many many occasions. It’s time he stopped throwing his rattle out of the pram, and tried to learn some manners more suited to a so called “Knight of The Realm”.
Please take him. Fergie will really enjoy his smoking and pouting. He is 28M worth of useless headaches with fewer credentials than you think. Yes, Sir Red Nose is a hypocrite, but so are most people in football management. He had no right to publicly state that he will be signing a player under contract to another team. How can you make that type of comment and out of the other side of your mouth complain about Real Madrid doing the exact same thing? Liars; all of them.
Pure propaganda by Spurs to sell the imminent departure of their two main strikers to their own fans.
Berbatov was always to go this summer and by the look of it, Spurs have already spent the income.
And anyways, what do they think they will achieve with this. The FA can’t take action over this. No tapping up has taken place. And unsettling is a very blurry offense. This will lead to nothing.
Especially as Spurs are playing to the same tune. Bostock, Downing, Ramos. Are they gonna tell themselves to the FA now?
I think this is just the last act of a transfer already agreed on, with Levy playing some play to save his face.
Spurs don’t need your money, we have plenty of our own thanks, were not mortgaged upto the hilt by a load of yanks. Berbatov will go to Barca now, hopefully for 2mil under what you offered
oh and if you bother to read the statement, which i have copied a bit for you.
“Our subsequent position has been severely compromised by both clubs making their intentions widely known and indeed making contact with the players and their agents, without the Club’s permission.
you will see that your club has made contact with the player and his agent which..correct me if i am wrong… is tapping up.
This is all about “viirgins in the whorehouse”. And, of course, now that we’ve established what they all are, it’s only a matter of cost.
DO U THINK U R THE ONLY TEAM THAT WANTS BERBA.AGAIN U MAN UTD BOYS THINK UR THE ONLY TEAM IN THE WORLD.ITS A SHAME RONALDO DOSENT
arrogance again from united! ‘the behaviour of Spurs in this situation has pushed me over the edge, and they need to be careful it doesn’t work up Fergie’s temper in the same way.’ Exactly why should we be trying to please you?! he is our player, you want him?…he goes on our terms! if u dont like it, in the nicest possible way, do one!
Learn how to read you fuck wits. How can you keep repeating the same stupid shit about “management has said he’s not for sale, end of” HA!! Read the fucking quotes from your manager, and the whole point of this article, Ramos said if the price is right they would sell. How the fuck is that saying, end of, that he isn’t for sale. Good god some people are just fucking retarded.
And speaking of fucking hypocrites, go ask Crystal Palace how they feel about losing some of their young talent to the likes of you.
I understand the frustration, but thats football. United are a bigger club than you, and can offer Champions League football, you cant. Just as you are a bigger club than Palace and can offer Prem football. Look at how you signed Hudd or Bale or Bostock….it fucking happens. Now get fucked.
Fantastically amusing the line “the behaviour of Spurs in this situation has pushed me over the edge, and they need to be careful it doesn’t work up Fergie’s temper in the same way” Unbelievably funny I bet Daniel Levy is quaking in his boots. Please tell me what is Ferguson going to do ha ha ha, beat Levy up? ha ha ha what a laugh, it’s hysterical.
I fail to see why comparing the cases of berbatov and ronaldo is ‘moronic’. Real’s pursuit of Ronnie was primarily done in public, whereas Fergie went behind Spurs’ back and kept it mostly private until the other day, but both tactics are different sides of the same coin, intended to turn the player’s head and force him to request a move, thus driving the price down by putting pressure on the selling club. If anything Fergie’s crime is worse as it involved (if Levy is to believed) illegal negotiations with the player’s agent without Spurs’ permission. Benitez is the worst of the lot though, just for being so blatant in an attempt to unsettle Robbie ‘i want to stay at spurs for life’ Keane.
Obviously Spurs are no angels and have played similar games in the past with Ramos in particular (not Bostock, he was technically out of contract), and Levy’s comments are most certainly a damage limitation exercise. That said he does have a point; the big clubs are constantly allowed to, in Fergie’s own words ‘ride roughshod over everybody else’, and tap up other players at will with scant regard for the (thoroughly under-enforced) rulebook. I think that is the hypocrisy Levy speaks of – squealing to the press one minute about those naughty big clubs then dangling a big Champions League carrot in front of berbatov’s nose when Spurs aren’t looking the next. Bottom line – there’s no loyalty or morality in modern football, and I doubt there’s a club in the land that hasn’t bent the rules at some point. But that doesn’t make it right.
WIth us or with Barca…never mind…You will be without Berbatov.
And don’t use words United and Totenham in the same sentence
The new crop of Spurs fans is really a nasty bunch of people I have to say.
Let them scream their souls out while they are stuck in mediocrity hell forever.
When I read:
“However, when a player’s head is turned and their commitment is absent, particularly when they occupy key positions such as that of striker, they become a negative influence in a team dressing room in which they were once a positive addition and influence.”
this is nothing but a statement, that those players are about to leave. A overblown excuse for not being able to hold onto them.
An overblown excuse for being very very mediocre!
you thik headed and eared spurs fans, here are the facts:
1. Suprs manager has all along said that dimi is for sale for the right price.
2. Fergie gave this statement after making an official bid, which is regular practice.
3. How can words like tapping up be thrown around and compared to real madrid, when madrid have not even made an official bid and hpoing that ronaldo will himself agitate for a move. In contrast, there have never been direct quotes from anyone from united about their interest in dimi till the official bid. calderon and all the other minions of real madrid have been making statemnts to the press every day , without even making a bid, and after united have said they won’t sell.
4. how can you guys even start about us being hypocrates. have you thickheads already forgotten about levy’s pursuit of ramos and the disgraceful tapping up that went on?
the only intention of levy in this is to drive the price up. otherwise why would the club suddenly change hier stance from ready to sell for the right price to compalinat to the fa. also its to make you thickheads believe that they do not want to sell, just to keep you guys happy. and going by the comments here, they have done that. and no surprise at that, really that you guys were convinced. there is only one fan base in north london which has some intelligence, and its not you guys.
John Smith – what is Fergie going to do? Erm, how about drop all interest in the player which will mean Spurs have lost out on £20 mill and are stuck with a player who desperately wants to leave the club?
We don’t need Berbatov, maybe Spurs don’t need to money (but making £20 mill on a player in 2 years would be FANTASTIC business)… but we can agree neither of us want a player in the team who doesn’t want to be there, and Levy may have just managed to achieve that for your club.
Heh Prasac,
Calm yourself….I am sure that we are all far too intimidated by your good self to use the words Tottenham and United in the same sentence.
I imagine you form part of a large group of boisterous Man U types not at all scared to intimidate even larger groups of opposing supporters and thats why I won’t be going up to Old Trafford again.
‘you thik headed and eared spurs fans, here are the facts:
1. Suprs manager has all along said that dimi is for sale for the right price.
2. Fergie gave this statement after making an official bid, which is regular practice…..’
Think your missing the point here. The majority of spurs fans are fuming with uniteds arrogance (fans and management). Making all these announcements as if you are control of the deal, well levy’s statement was news for you, your not. all the 20m take it or leave it sh*t, our price should be 30m, if you want him you pay the price, if your not willing to do so, he stays where he is. united do not have some divine right to come in and take players in deals that suit them.
scott the red, im sure united arent the only club interested, you are the ones who want/need the player, to me it doesnt look like the club are too fussed, im sure we will replace him…therefore it us that hold the cards and not the red nosed one. plus wouldnt it be great to see berba go to barca and ronaldo go to real!…just a thought
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The point is, Fergie was out of line for taking names when, clearly, we are under the scanner for taking up the case of morals and ethics regarding Ronaldo. Fergie should have kept his mouth shut on this occasion.
Yes Levy reporting to the PL is a bit funny, but even then SAF shouldn’t have named names. I can’t see it any way even in my red tinted glasses.
Sometimes we have to call out the way we see it.
In response to Drew (no need for that level of abuse btw), Ramo’s comments earlier in the season to the press make no difference to anything in the slightest. If a club comes in with an offer and it is rejected, the fact that the manager hinted that he might be for sale does not legitimate then going through the player’s agent and trying to force him to put in a transfer request. The point of the whole article that Ronaldo’s case is different coz Utd never encouraged any bids is similarly irrelevant – both Utd and Real are guilty of using tactics designed primarily to unsettle the player and lower his value after FORMALLY being told that he’s not for sale. Ramos’ musings to the press doesn’t constitute open poaching season on berbatov. And even if it somehow did, those comments were made ages ago and aren’t particularly relevant now anyway, let alone as a flimsy excuse to break the rules.
Dear Shreyas-
You say it is normal practice for clubs to make bids then discuss it with the press?? So Fergie makes a bid for Berbatov (gets turned down) and then has the cheek to say it should be done and dusted within a week! Yeh right, and yes I am aware all of you united fans who go on about our pursuit of Ramos but Seville knew about it and it was above bored, the only thing we did wrong was to go behind Martin Jols back (god love him!) it was kept quiet because we like to do our business behind closed doors, unlike Fergie who likes to bash out deals via the press.
This is purely Levy trying to save some face and make it look to their fans like they are victims of some wrong doing, forcing them to sell, when actually they are just a small-time club who can’t hold on to their best players.
How, in any way, is Ramos saying “for the right price he will be sold” discouraging bids?
Nearly every transfer in football these days happens this way now, and Levy has been clever (but massively hypocritical himsefl) in making his fans believe that they are victims of illegal doings rather than being victims of the fact that their own star players don’t believe they will achieve Champions League football with them.
Also, how can you compare this to what Madrid have been doing? Calderon has basically spoken directly to Ronaldo via comments made to the press by himself, telling Ronaldo they they are interested, and asking him to put in transfer requests and such, without even making a bid! They haven’t got the money they say they have, and they hoped that he would kick up so much of a fuss that we would have no choice but to change our stance and sell (hence the “we’ll only bid if United say they want to sell and Ronaldo says that he wants to come” statements from Calderon) just to make the fee less than it would be. They’ve done all this without even making a bid, and have been told not to make one, yet they still persist!
Fergie, however, has made one comment regarding Berbatov, telling the press he’s made a bid, and suggesting that he’s had a strong indication from Spurs that it will go through. What he must be thinking now I don’t know!
Shreyas, well put…..typical yids, money, money, money.
alexofmancunia, you may have made a bid, but you were told that he was not for sale, however united still went ahead and announced their intentions to the press so as to unsettle the player, sound fair to u?
How can we compare it with Ronaldo and Madrid eh? Well the statement by Levy has indicated that the players and their respective agents have been approached by Man U without Tottenhams consent-Levy quotes-
“Our subsequent position has been severely compromised by both clubs making their intentions widely known and indeed making contact with the players and their agents, without the Club’s permission.
,IF this is true (and none of us no for sure) then this is a whole lot worse than Madrid spouting off to the press about Winking man. I have no problem with Man united fans (aside from the fact most of them are south of the Thames!!!) real man u fans are fine, I suspect alot of you on here may be nearer white hart lane than Old Trafford. anyway thats besides the point. If man u have approached players or agents without spurs permission then I expect them either to be docked points (fines never work as clubs have too much money) or for them to be thrown out of the transfer market until next summer. Much love spursman. x
Frankly I don’t care if he goes or not just as long as I don’t get beaten up by Prassac and his large group of boisterous Man U types
@funwithmanutypes-I’ve read your post but I still don’t understand what you don’t understand?
Or you are retard or something?If so I’m apologise
“What can I say? Spurs stood by me the whole time and sometimes that’s more important,” Berbatov said. “As a matter of fact I spoke with one of the management of Manchester United. They had a problem with Van Nistelrooy. I could not wait so long, so I decided to come here. When I only had six goals in the Bundesliga last season they said we like you and we want to be buy you. But Leverkusen said, ‘No, we don’t want you to go’. Over a period of six months Tottenham kept saying, ‘We like you, we want you to come here’. They were always in contact with the club. Then I scored 21 goals and they settled on a price. It was a long-standing interest. They could have bought anyone but they decided on me. I appreciated that.”
Berbatov in 2006. Don’t the situations look rather familiar? If Spurs were being knocked back by Leverkuson, how did Berbatov know that they were still interested if they hadn’t had permission to talk to him?
You see what I mean? This stuff happens ALL THE TIME regarding transfers. It’s become standard practice, so why is Levy suddenly crying foul? He’s hiding the fact that they actually want/need to sell from his own fans by making them look like victims. The only thing you’re victims of is being a smaller club.
Question: Why do most Manure fans not live in Manchester.
Answer: It is a shithole.
I love the way you front runners stand up for “your” team when you have no affiliation with the club at all. Spurs fans live in or around Tottenham or have moved away and kept their loyalty to the team.
Manure fans pick them because they have been successful for a long time. Anyone can do that. Ooh look, I’m a Chelsea fan. Oops the mafia boss has taken his money away. Now I’m a Manure fan. Absolutely pathetic. Most people from Manchester are City fans. You red lot are nothing but bandwagon jumpers.
Look no one is saying this kind of thing doesnt happen in world football because it does, weather its agents trying to up the price of their player or the clubs directly it does happen. HOWEVER the route of these topics is Fergie threw his rattle out the pram about Ronaldo being persued (all beit through the press) by Real Madrid (here you are the victims of being a smaller club) but Fergie somehow has the right to discuss with the press a deal going through for Berbatov in the next week even though the offer had been rejected. And now you man u fans are getting upset becasue spurs have a valid complaint and Fergie is being a hypocryte due to the events of the past few weeks…Capish? If you want to keep going back in time we can, we are talking about the here and now.
Everyone who is talking about this whole Berbatov thing seems to be missing a vital point.
Sir Alex is using FIFA’s very own rulings to his advantage following the way Platini, Blatter and FIFA rejected United’s complaint regarding the courting of Ronaldo.
Secondly, this is hardly the same situation, is it?
Fergie has just confirmed for the first time in public that United have made a bid for Berbatov and expects things to go well for all partys. Real madrid and Ronaldo on the other hand have been like a comic strip in The Sun. On an almost daily basis Real Madrid, on some level would publicly talk about Ronaldo.
If there’s an argument to be made, then surely you anti-United bunch of cocks could compare it to the Hargreaves case. Yes, that’s more like it.
I think it’s been pretty clear to everyone at Spurs that there is big change going on and even Ramos seems resigned to the idea of losing key players. Not just to United and those Scouse bastards either.
Fergie has not lasted at the top of football management for over 20 years for nothing. He has traditional values and loyalty is his guide in life, on top of this his ability to roll with the times has kept him at the helm.
How could United possibly be charged after having footballs top brass effectively laughing in our faces over our complaint earlier this summer?
It’s a blatent name drop and I am confident, that unlike Real, Fergie won’t do it again, once was enough for him and Alex Ferguson is doing this to prove a point, he knows where football is right now, he may not like the way it is going but he has been backed into a corner and he is using his knowledge, wisdom and most of all the rules of modern football to fight back.
We all will fight, fight, fight for United!
‘They were always in contact with the club’, you said it there yourself alexofmancunia, always in contact with the CLUB, not PLAYER and AGENT as your hypocrite of a manager has been.
Scorpion-you are obviously about 12.
Using Manure as an insult is a great introduction to how your brain cells work.
Have you ever been to Manchester? If you believe the City thing then obviously not, Manchester United has priority in Manchester.
In London, a city where people from all over come to work and live, there are plenty of United, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal supporters.
The only time I can remember seeing a Spurs shirt was after the Carling Cup Final… haha.
Get some intellience and then try to find some facts before trying to base an argument that is completely unfounded.
Tom F
Did you not read Levys complaint again I will quote for you
“Our subsequent position has been severely compromised by both clubs making their intentions widely known and indeed making contact with the players and their agents, without the Club’s permission”
I think it is more the fact the players have been approached….yes approached…by the clubs without Tottenhams consent. I did piss me of what Fergie said because he cant go around saying “the deal will be done” if we rejected a bid. It has been made worse because Fergie and Beneitez have sent their cronies out to stir up trouble (not confirmed just very likely) if we have proof of that then the book should be thrown at you. Fergie made no mention that Real had directly approached Ronaldo or his agent? And do you really care (or does anyone for that matter?) what The Sun has to say?? Its barely worthy of the title a newspaper, but then thats clearly all you read.
tom f, i think you are missing the vital point. fergie isnt simply announcing that they have mad a bid, what he is done is very clever and sly. They asked of berba’s availability and were told where to go by tottenham, however in a bid to unsettle the player and to give the deal momentum he spoke to the press and the players agent without the clubs permission which is breaking the rules. Benitez is always at it, and i comend o’neil and villa on the way they have handled the situation, so called ‘smaller clubs’ will not be bullied anymore.
Well said Drew Vader. These fucking stupid Spurs fans have selective memories. They seem to forget their own misdemeanours – the tapping up of Ramos and Bostok, especially the latter, when they clearly made an illegal approach and made a derisory offer, knowing it would be rejected and would be settled by tribunal at a cheaper price. He’s just trying to save face, knowing that he has two players who want out of the club, and end up being stuck with one shit forward. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
kings, how did we tap up bostock?…was he under contract?…no he wasnt, he was free to talk to whoever he wanted. but granted the ramos situation wasnt handled very well.
Yide-good to see Spurs fans still use derogatory terms.
Anyway, I am not arguing the point of whether it was right or wrong, morally what has been said. My point is, legally it isn’t wrong. We as a club have found that out and Fergie is playing along to the rules of the modern game.
Doesn’t mean Sir Alex likes the rules and doesn’t mean I do, but that’s the way football is going. If FIFA, Blatter and Platini can laugh in the face of United, United can laugh a lot harder.
tom f, well if thats you pointmi think you’ll find that if you read levy’s statement that united approached the player and agent without the clubs permission, which is infact illegal.
well fergie’s latest comments have just left this debate redundent. would be very surprised if there is a deal between the two clubs now, the spurs-united relationship does not look gd!
RED RANTER….In response to your statement “John Smith – what is Fergie going to do? Erm, how about drop all interest in the player which will mean Spurs have lost out on £20 mill and are stuck with a player who desperately wants to leave the club?” Again laughable arrogance, so if he doesn’t go to Man u spurs are stuck with him because there are no other clubs other the the great Man u. You live in a daze my friend. I would rather sell him to any other club for half the money than let him go to your lot and trust me if we put Berbs on the market at £20m there would be no end of suitors and going on Levy’s comments I’m sure he is probably feeling the same way. lets face facts I can’t see a deal be done between the two clubs now anyway, It’s not like we are hard up and need your american mortgaged money. Your comments are a joke you need to get a grip and realise there are more teams than Man u on the planet. ha ha ha
That above comment was directed at SCOTT THE RED not RED RANTER
Let’s get things straight:
*Spurs has been talking about how Berba is for sale given the right price. Hell, pretty much ANY player at spurs is for sale given the right price the last few years. However it’s always been an insane price (see Carrick).
*Rafa the Red is just as bad as Ramon Calderon in regards to the way he has been trying to sign Barry and then suddenly switched his sights to Keane for seemingly no reason. That’s between the Pool and Spurs.
*Sir Alex came out early this week and said that “he had made a bid for a player”. No names, nothing. Then later on he mentions about it being Berba.
So:
Spurs are trying to jack up the price whenever they sell their players (Liverpool style). They have come out and said that their main striker is for sale but at their price, United spoke about putting in a bid for someone. There are only two logical outcomes:
1 – United make a bid for Berba and are told that he isn’t for sale at any price. They decide to “do a Liverpool” and dirty up the waters.
or
2 – United makes a bid for a player whose manager is quoted as saying is for sale. They report that a bid for someone has been submitted. A counter-offer comes in and United are considering it. They believe that a deal is close and so decide to make a statement revealing that the player mentioned earlier in the week was in fact Berba. Spurs, wanted to keep everything on the downlow are now crappy themselves over the fans reactions and try to put everything at Fergie’s footsteps.
I know which one sounds more likely to me given everything we know.
“It is going to be very embarrassing for them,” he stated after United’s 1-1 draw with Kaizer Chiefs.
“They based their story on The Sun, and I don’t know where they got those quotes from. Certainly not from me.
“So it will be embarrassing for them.
“But you know what Daniel Levy is like. He is different.”
the main difference in the two situations for me is that berbatov hasn’t come out and said that tottenham treat him like a slave. actually he hasn’t said that it’s his dream to play for man u or made jokes about playing well in a red kit while he was flirting with man u either. personally, i’m not fussed about berbatov going, just hope we get as mush as we can for him. but it would make me choke if i was a man u fan and had to cheer on ronaldo next year.
Fegie hits back at Levy:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_3839332,00.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1036531/Sir-Alex-threat-sue-Spurs-chief-Levy.html
Ha ha ha. Looks like levy, spuds management and the spuds fans have shot themselves in the foot again. this’s gonna be fun.
It’s funny that big clubs are playing the same game here… Each are attempting to unsettle as many key players of rival teams as possible: Ronaldo, Kaka, Berbatov, Barry… The list is endless.
It’s an absolute joke!
haha shreyas, we’ve shot ourselves in the foot!? you think levy wants to deal with u lot after those comments?! i think not, wave bye bye to berba, and who knows, maybe we’ll all get lucky and real willl get their man!
@ yido
can’t help feeling sorry for you mate. believe with all your heart in the goodness of your knight in shining armour levy. good luck to you.
if its indeed berbatov that ferige is after, he will be united player come the end of the transfer window, and levy will himself be waving goodbye to him.
all this drivel has been just to jack up his price and to show to the spurs fans that the board doesnt want to sell. can you imagine if levy said they are ready to sell dimi whjat would happen? spurs fans already fuming with carrick’s transfer would go for his throat.
shreyas, in that comment u completely sum up the arrogance of your club. and please dont feel sorry for me, i do think levy is one of the best chairmen in the league, and of course i dont expect berba to stay, but lets just think, i dont think your club would be the only ones interested in berbatov, therefore you and your clubs arrogance could come back to haunt you, what makes you think that just because you want him you can have him?! whos to say barca’s reported interest may become more than just a rumour and he ends up in the nou camp? i think thats the result that all spurs fans are hoping for now. and thats a shame because i actually thought the carrick deal was carried out well and both clubs got what they wanted, however united have acted with sheer arrogance in this deal and just expect berba to be theirs. but if u want him, like i said before, its on our terms, not yours!
yido-
Told you mate, Fergie isn’t stupid.
I also have to say, that we want Ronaldo to go as much as you do, so no being smart there.
There are plenty of Berbatovs out there, he’s a quality player but if it doesn’t go through, I won’t be crying my eyes out.
Levy is a legend, haha.
and also if levy said we were ready to sell berba i think we, most, would except it, as we have seen it coming since last summer. Its just the way united have gone about it. on the other hand keane was the real shocker, no one expected to see him leave, however i believe the only club that he wouldve left for have come in for him, and thats his boyhood club liverpool
lol you want the player for scored over 40 goals to leave, yeh right! and i agree berba is very replacable i want be losing any sleep if he goes to your lot for around 30 mil. and im not saying that fergie is stupid, just an arrogant old tw*t, and levys statement says the player was approached without the clubs permission, doesnt sound within he rules to me. levy may not be perfect, but i wouldnt swap him for any other chairman, certainly not your bunch of useless yanks!
Yido-why can’t you and the rest of you anti-united twats realise that United supporters are supporters of the Club not individuals.
Like Eric Cantona said United will always win whoever plays for us.
Ronaldo is a great talent, if he stays of course I would not mind, but as a personality in an otherwise harmonious squad, he could be more trouble than he is worth.
United didn’t get rid of 2 of their best players in Keane and Nistelrooy for no reason mate.
I don’t think Spurs could replace Keane and Berbatov that easily, didn’t they get around an average of 18 goals or so each last season? The thing about that is, we have Rooney and Tevez, who are a class apart from most forwards in world football. Missing out on a forward wouldnt upset me in that respect.
I am not a supporter of the Glazers but as you’d agree, they have hardly interfered with our football over the last few years?
2 League titles and the Champions league, as well as the Carling Cup…hmm.
arrogance again lol, ‘united can win whoever plays!?’ was that the case when djemba djemba and kleberson were playing for u?! and ok tevez and rooney are world class, but do they score enough goals!? and i dont think spurs fans have ever been anti united, very much the opposite, but this show of arrogance has changed things.
i dissagree, i do think keane and berba are replacable. keane is 28 and ok can produce moments of class and magic, but does often go missing or over run the ball, whilst also missing simple chances. berba is class, whilst this will be hard to replace, a player with a better work rate than his, which shouldnt be hard to find, may prove to be more effective. it wont be the end of our season if they leave, we will have 50 mil to find 2 decent strikers, and i think we will manage to do just that.
i dont dissagree that you have been successful on the pitch with the glazers, however how stable are you off it? from the rumours ive heard finances arent great (although listed as riches club in the world, that is based on income), although i dont know how true this is? i think they have put you in a worst position off the pitch than previously, whilst levy has improved us greatly both on and off the pitch.
To Yido:
I’m sure you’re feeling very foolish now after all the nonsense you chairman said, Fergie never made those quotes. Your dumb chairman berated Fergie based on quotes from The Sun, i hope he sues both Levy and The Sun…idiots.
not feeling foolish at all, just happy at the prospect of taking 28 mil off u lot! all fergie said was that spurs were making the allegation based on a paper story, he never denied or admitted making the statement, he should be a politician! therefore he appeases the united fans as the dont think they are in the wrong, (much like u were saying that levy only made his statement to appease spurs fans). your missing part of the point tho mate, if u read levys statement, he complains about an illegal approach to player and agent without the clubs permission, im sure thats not based on a paper story!
If Fergie didn’t actually comment on berbatov, why is it on Man utd’s official website?:
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BB4CEE8FA%2D9A47%2D47BC%2DB069%2D3F7A2F35DB70%7D&newsid=6614071
Im pretty sure both players will be going and doesnt matter to where but they are gone.
I think Levy has been fooling their own finds covering that the deals are almoust done with that statement about reporting Utd and Liverpool to the fa.
Let’s see what happens.
Yido, are you thick mate?. Fergie plainly said, Levy is making his judgements based on newspaper article quotes in the Sun. Where did the Sun get those quotes, I NEVER made them?. So Fergie did deny ever saying those things. Anyway, lets wait and see what evidence Levy really has, before anything can be proven. Levy may be making a big rod for Spurs own backs, because of Manager and players you tapped up, their clubs could be in on you if Levy’s complaints come to anything.
Did I miss something, or didn’t Spurs say in their official comments, that Berbatov and Keane have had their heads turned, and will be leaving for United and L’Pool respectively????.
Ronaldo has yet to come out and say he is unhappy at United. Or to insist that he wants to move to Real Madrid. In fact, that’s what United fans are most upset about, that Ronaldo says very little, but every other Tom, Dick and Harry seem to speak for him. Nobody knows what to believe in football anymore. There is so much corruption going on and evil wheeler dealing in every club. Fans just eat up every little thing they read in the media – because people love to make feckin great issues and arguements about things. Football is full of crooks, and players are just pawns in these big power games between clubs, but believe me, all it’s about at the end of the day is MONEY. Lets face it, fans just love to get these media inspired attacks on their clubs, because we all love FURIOUS debate, and argueing the toss at the end of the day. This is just exactly what Levy and Fergie are doing at the moment. It’s just long drawn out gameplay.
Fergie has said he didnt say those things, you fools of course he is not going to come out saying “yes I’ve been talking about other clubs players trying to stir up trouble against all rules” Idiots. Levy is running one of the most profitable clubs in world football, we have no debt (unlike your (£700m) or whatever it is. He is not a fool, he may be fuming but you guys (and some spurs fans) arem forgetting this isnt just about Fergie, this complaint is also about Benitez, and I’m sure we have all seen what he said on t.v, anyway the main jist of this complaint is that our players and agents have been approached by man u and liverpool, Fergie didnt say that isnt true did he? I feel this is the main point in his argument and the comments made by Red nose and Benitez (weather Fergie did or did not say it) was the icing on the cake.
Can I say one more thing, I have absolutely nothing against (most) man u fans, Man u are a huge club who have undoubtadly won shit loads more stuff than Spurs, I cannot deny these facts. And this argument is between 2 clubs (not the supporters) yes we are going to defend our clubs as, only natural. I am 100% sure there is truth in what Levy has said about our players and their agents being approached by whomever from Liverpool and Man U, it doesnt mean it was Ferige and Benitez in person met up with them. All we can do know is wait and see what the FA do, and what the outcome of this is. In the meantime may I suggest this doesnt get out of control and turn nasty, I apologise if any of my previous comments offended any other fans. We do all have one thing in common, that we hate F*****g Chavski! Lets just hope they mess up big time this year eh??
At the end of the day every single premiership club are as bad as eachother. They all approach players under contracts and then cry murder when somebody does it to them. Spurs are just as bad as United for doing and the same goes for every single club. I just want the season to start now because im sick of hearing about this fransfer business! It gets worse every summer! It makes you fall out of love with football hearing about this shit constantly!
Michael – what does the title of that page say?
“WHAT THE PAPERS SAY”
Lol christ, engage brain eh?
craig mc, ive been restrained up until now, but u and your fans are a thick bunch of c*nts. ronaldo, ‘i dream of playing for real’…nah course he hasnt announced he wants to leave…thick tw*t. levys only allegations arent those of the quotes, its the illegal approach that will be his main argument. ive had it with this, tried to have a reasoned argument, but lot just show ur arrogance yet again. u know what, f*ck u, and hope thats what levy says, id rather take 20 mil off barca than 30 of u bunch of cheating arrogant mancs! (well i say mancs, but most of u are from down here anyway!) YID ARMY!
Scot the Red. I’m sorry that you lack the intelligence to understand that putting up newspaper articles on your website which quote your manager is a transparent attempt to cover your back and to claim, as you have, that it was the press that made it up and that it has nothing to do with Utd.
The fact of the matter is – Man Utd leaked that quote to the press and then they put it up on their website. They have been doing this since last summer and this is what Levy is talking about in his complaint – not just one comment but 12 months of illegally tapping up berbatov.
The old wino is a man with very little integrity or honour. In times of adversity, he demonstrates his pathetic character time and time again. I don’t blame him for wanting Berbatov – after all, Rooney, completely overshadowed by Tevez, has turned into a £30mil flop averaging the same amount of goals per season as Marcus Bent.
I don’t care how drunk the old wino is, he should conduct his transfer business with some respect for other clubs rather than no respect. Same goes for Rafa Houillier and his nonsense over at Liverbroke FC.
Here Here!
Yido, how old are you, because your grammar and text speak are those of a 12 year old. When anyone starts to lose their composure, they immediately lose the arguement, because when steam is coming out of anyone’s ears, they start to say things out of wild emotionalism, rather than quiet reason. But hey, whatever eh?.
Spursman, I hear you, and see where you are coming from. I agree a lot with the 2nd half of your post. Like you say, we need to wait and see what the proof of all of this is, and then we won’t have egg all over our faces!. Whatever the outcome, if Berbatov does come to us, you at Spurs will make sure we pay through the nose, because he is your player, and if somebody wants what we have, then we name the price of what we will accept. Even if like Carrick, the price is extortionate. So you’ll get no quibling from me about the price, but poor old Yido, out of pure hatred sentiment, would rather give him away for millions less. What he doesn’t realise, is that you won’t have the extra millions to bring in the great players, that Levy says will want to come and play for you in the Spurs white shirt. Ronaldo loves to play in white, maybe we could do a swap – LOL. Just joking Spursman. Anyway, Spurs will do what they want with Berba, like Fergie is doing with Ronaldo.
Gary, good post mate, I couldn’t bloody well agree more. Nastiness and argueing between fans comes to nothing, and only serves to cause people to become more and more disenchanted with the game. I will be glad when the big kick off starts. We will see who will be where then. And all the summer debating will have been fruitless probably.
Viva, Viva, Man Utd.
Michael, you have the gall to question Scott the Reds intelligence, while you believe that tabloids, especially the Sun, are feeding us the truth. How many times have the Sun had to pay out millions for wrongly accusing people of making statements they never made. So many defamation lawsuits we can’t count. So if you are so intelligent, how come you are so gullible as to believe THE SUN article, when Fergie has come out and denied he ever spoke to the press. How many times have the press taken peoples words and TWISTED them out of all proportion from the original statement?. If you don’t know the answer to that, the mind boggles!.
Craig MC, I will question the intelligence of anyone who makes idiotic comments. As such, I have to question your intelligence too.
utting up newspaper articles on your website which quote your manager is a transparent attempt to cover your back and to claim, as you have, that it was the press that made it up and that it has nothing to do with Utd.
The fact of the matter is – Man Utd leaked that quote to the press and then they put it up on their website. They have been doing this since last summer and this is what Levy is talking about in his complaint – not just one comment but 12 months of illegally tapping up berbatov.
This is Spurs’ response to the Old Wino’s non-denial denial about the article Man Utd posted on their official website:
“We have a huge amount of evidence. It’s got to the point where two clubs feel they are untouchable in terms of ignoring competition rules.
“These two managers have gone on the record publicly without the club giving permission and we now have two disenfranchised players who have had their heads turned. If Ferguson comes out fighting, it’s because he has something to be worried about. We told Liverpool to go away and they went after Robbie Keane anyway.”
Fergie called Levy’s bluff and Levy called Fergie’s bluff right back. At the end of the day, all of this dishonourable behaviour is only making it more likely that Berbatov goes to Barcelona.
Michael, where is your huge amount of truth that you have collected, show it to us?. Where is the proof that Fergie leaked things to the press?. Give us the evidence you say you have. Are you part of the Spurs managment/staff, or law team that you quote WE have proof?. Or are you just reiterating that Levy says he has proof. Like I have said in most of my posts, I will wait until I see that proof, before I will pass judgement. Now that is being wise, or intelligent, whatever you want to call it. Spurs say Fergie has commited breakage of rules, Fergie says he hasn’t spoken to the press. So I wait and see what evidence, if any, will come out of all this. If you are able to categorically prove your statements, because of being ‘in the know’ at Spurs, then pray tell us. Put up etc!!!!!!!!!!!! I won’t be getting into any more debate about this, because I think the moderators on this blog will fell its run its course.
Craig Mc – where is your proof Fergie didn’t say anything? You are basing your opinion on Fergie’s denial and his protestation of innocence. So u in fact do not prefer to wait for proof. Or rather you do so, when it is convenient – which is when it favours Man Utd.
I’m not here to cry about big bad ol fergie tapping up our players – i’m here to point out his hypocrisy and the pathetic hypocrisy of yourself and most other man utd fans concerning your whinging about ronaldo being tapped up by Real Madrid, a far bigger club, vs. your bragging about tapping up Berbatov and Hargreaves.
Michael: Umm, you probably know nothing about the United website, but the “what the papers say section” usually posts anything. Even during the Ronaldo saga, stuff were posted from The Sun…the section is all paper speculation, its never usually correct, so that section of the site posting it means nothing. If it had been posted on the tabs above, then it can be said to be true, so i really don’t get your point about it been true because it was on the United site…
You accuse Craig Mc of not waiting for proof, but you were all soo quick to slate Fergie too from quotes in The Sun weren’t you? You think Levy is right based on what he’s said, and Craig Mc thinks Fergie is right based on what he’s said too, so why are you up in arms about it? I hope this gets resolved and Berbatov goes to Barca cus i’m one of the people who’d loathe to see that whinny, sulky player in a United shirt, we already have one whinny, sulky player and thats enough.
Did anyone see this part in Levy’s quotes: “today’s public statements”, so it means he WAS basing his statements on the quotes from The Sun which Fergie denied saying the quotes NEVER came from him. If Levy does indeed win in whatever case he’s trying to prove, Fergie could as well sue him back for Libel, for that part of his statement “public” that he made above. I just hope this ends quickly, so if he indeed goes to Barca, United can access their options and get someone else before the start of the season.
PS: Michael: Fergie’s denial were based on the fact that Levy was basing his accusations on quotes from The Sun, and i see no need why he’d lie, in fact i see no sense why he’d tell the Sun we’re after Berbatov and then NOT name the player to Sky Sports….i hope someone can give me a reason why he’d do that.
lol granted a lost my cool there due to your arrogance, which i admited to in that post. this led to me completely disregarding the structure of my post, yet i didnt think i was posting in a professional domain! and before you go questioning my intelligence i have just recently graduated from university with 1st class honours, but i dont feel the need to go around flouncing my intelligence where i feel it will be lost on the likes of u. i have made my point over and over again, yet you choose to ignore this and focus on only what you choose to; the so called fergie quotes. However levy is not ‘stupid’ enough to form allegations against a fellow professional based on one story from a paper whos integrity and reliabilty is quite regularly brought into question. But, like your club choosing to ignore my chairmens wishes that OUR player who is under CONTRACT be left well alone, you choose to ignore quite possibly the most crucial part of levy’s statement where it is stated that player and agent have been approached illegally and that it has been ongoing for 12 months. the quotes arent important it in this, they were simply the final straw for levy.
i quite agree that this so called debate has run its course and is going round in circles, as you and your fellow fans are quite unwiilling to take on board any comments and show great arrogance, much like the club you follow. However i must say i have experienced great contrast in the behaviour of the liverpool fans, with whom long constructive debates have taken place and criticisms of both clubs and their behaviour have been taken on board…how a debate should work!
sorry, that post was in reply to craig mc
To Yido: the post wasn’t to me, but any examples in the past where Levy had categorically said Berbatov was not for sale?
On your points about your debate with Liverpool fans: You do know that Liverpool’s case is more assured that United, it seems they know they’re guilty of what Levy is saying, but with United, we’re having this argument because of Levy’s statement which came a day after the article in The Sun(so most people are assuming he’s basing his statements that), until we see Levy’s so call proof, we can’t say for sure whether he was basing his comments on The Sun or not, but reading his quotes above, it seemed his infuriation came from the article.
Also if you notice, the debate was going well, no insults were thrown around like kids until your post and thereafter Michael followed with his own insults… Can any of you Spurs fans shed light on the case with Ramos?
Michael – you’re sorry I lack intelligence? I’m sorry you lack manners. Don’t come on a United blog and insult me and the regulars that post here.
You asked a question, I gave you an answer. Simple. It’s funny how Spurs fans have come on here calling United fans arrogant.
Jog on.
vds1, in the public domain we have neither admited berba is available or unavailable, however from levys statement it seems quite clear that united themselves were told he was not for sale. how true this is, i dont know.
You are right, there is no need for abuse, but i lost my rag at what i saw as continued arrogance, however what i said was not called for, but we all feel strongly about our clubs and will defend them to the end. but i dont think it was the first form of abuse in this debate as u stated, ‘Shreyas, well put…..typical yids, money, money, money.’. seems like a slight racial stereotype there. and yes before i get called a hypocrit i have ‘yido’ as my name, but at spurs we use it as a badge of honour, not in the form of an insult.
Again regarding the quotes, think this may be the tip of the ice berg, and purely what sent levy over the edge, not the reasoning for a complaint to the f.a, however that is the view of a spurs fan and is likely to be biased in favour of my club, but have a sneaky feeling that it may be the case. i feel that the f.a (i may be wrong here, is it the f.a, or PL dealing with this?) are too weak, as has been proven in the past, to take action anyway, so i believe this is all likely to come to nothing.
Yido, congratulations on your 1st class honours Uni degree, THAT MAKES TWO OF US THEN. I got 1st class honours as well – touche!. Nevertheless you keep harping on about our club’s illegal approaches over 12 month period. I will say again, IT IS ALL HEARSAY, nobody, including Levy has shown any proof so far. So we will comment again when we do. We cannot agree, as you are demanding we do, to something that has yet to be proven fact. For someone who has a 1st class honours degree, you will surely have learned that to lose your composure, is to lose any arguements. If you feel you are having better interaction with the Scousers, then feel free to frequent their blogs, and give us a miss if you feel so offended by our arrogance!.
OT Red – Very good reasoning mate. I would like answers to those questions you put to Michael too, though I suspect he does not have the answers yet.
Michael, you should really learn to read and digest peoples posts before you come back so quickly with inaccurate comments. I have said consistently, in much of my posts, that Levy says one thing, and Fergie says another. So that I WAIT to know by real tangible truth the fact of the matter, BEFORE I judge. I am not saying anywhere that anyone is right, because none of us know, and in this country, our law system is still as far as I know, that people are innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Ummm – latest news from MEN on the allegations in the Spurs/Fergie Berbatov situation.
Spurs spokesman, “We have confirmed the comments (reported in the Sun article), came from Sir Alex talking at a supporters meeting.
United’s take on things. “Sir Alex had an interview with United’s Scandinavian supporters club last week. We have checked the tape of the meeting, and there is nothing untoward in the transcript.”
So the plot thickens lol!.
it is all certainly very interestting. The plot thickens further when you discover that the article in question (from the scandinavian supporters site) was removed shortly after the allegations were made…something to hide maybe?!
Yido. or they were forced to take it down in Scandinavia, because of misrepresentation of what Fergie actuallly said, seeing that none of it is in the original tape transcript. But we will see. Truth will always out in the end – well except when the media hacks are involved that is lol!.
your probable right, with regards to being forced to take it down. However i have it that it is very rare that quotes are just ‘made up’ in norwegian journalism, thats not to say that this is an exception to the rule. Yet it is also unlikely that a fan site would want to attribute quotes to their manager that would obviously land him in hot water, therefore perhaps the utd legal team wanted the evidence removed!? either that or the site is run by on dumb supporter!
* sorry should read, thats not to say that this is not an exception to the rule
Craig Mc
You are still focusing on semantics in a transparent attempt to avoid the real issue. One month ago, Fergie and all you Man U supporters were absolutely outraged with the behaviour of Real Madrid towards Ronaldo. Now, the shoe is on the other foot, and you berate Spurs as a small club who should just shut up and know their place. This is bitch-like behaviour and you know it.
So you will keep going on about one alleged comment that Fergie made, and ignore the “Dossier” of illegal behaviour by Man Utd handed to the F.A. by Spurs today.
1. Real Madrid are the biggest, most successful club in the world.
2. Man Utd are worse than Real Madrid when it comes to achievments, honours and tapping up other teams’ players.
3. Here’s an incomplete list of the tapping up committed by the Old Wino.
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8750_3847716,00.html
Michael: No one’s berating Spurs as a small club who don’t know their place(at least i’m not), but you’ve gotta admit that the difference between Spurs and United isn’t as big as the difference between United and Madrid. i’m not here to debate on who’s worse at what, but if you seriously think United are worse at tapping up, then this whole saga has seriously blinded you.
You posted some past instances of so- called tapping up which i really don’t know what that has to do with this, or is this the so- called dossier that Levy has? We’ll never know what truly happened with those player will we? Since everyone digests everything the press say. The illegal behaviour dossier handed in by Levy is meant to be only on Berbatov. Now please answer me this, what exactly happened with Ramos?
This article and pretty much every comment by a Man Utd supporter is soaked in arrogance at the sheer nerve of Spurs not bending over so Fergie can fuck us.
If you seriously think that Man Utd are not the worst club in the world at tapping up, then you are as delusionally conceited as your manager.
The difference between Real Madrid and Man Utd is a lot bigger than difference between Spurs and Man Utd.
The past instances of tapping up i posted are merely meant to back up allegation that Man Utd are the worst when it comes to tapping up. Would you prefer i make such an allegation without backing it up? Of course, everyone is free to evaluate the credibility of this.
What happened with Ramos? We didn’t tap him up and that’s really all that is relevant here.
You can have Berbatov, just hand over 30mil. Then we can all be friends and get back to hating the Gooner Scum.