With talk of the Glazers’ financial worries dominating the press, Sir Alex Ferguson insists we do have money to spend but that we would struggle to get good value for it at the moment.
“We have got the money,” said Ferguson. “There is no question about that. I just don’t see that player who can make a difference for us in terms of value or ability.”
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bollocks
christ, were going to struggle to get value in the summer too, and of course therell be nothing next christmas
we might be better off buying now than wait for the God awful prices there will be afte rthe world cup
unless diouf turns out to be our answer!
i don’t like it- we do need some refreshment-the lads need help,and new quality blood, unless Sir produces some magic???!!!!
kikos agent said to the press yesterday that he will go on loan in january to italy
when sir alex was asked this he said “Macheda hasnt got an agent”
why are the press allowed to write this stuff
never with “value for players” or “no defenders been bought” has it been said united wont be buying anyone in january
Agree with Red Dave. The prices after the World Cup will be astranomical and it will be the same excuse come August 31st.
Even if we get rid of Nani the money will be taken away due to the Glazer’s debts.
We are making a big mistake relying on The White Pele, once he gets injured, we are in big trouble.
Since when did value start coming into it? Ferdinand, Rooney, Berbatov… time and again Ferguson has been prepared to break the bank. So what happens if Madrid, City and Chelsea keep spending?
What he really means is cheap. There’s nobody cheap and cheap is all United can afford right now.
Ferguson is sounding a bit like the emperor’s new clothes. “There is money, I promise, there really is money.” When really there isn’t and Fergie’s starkers with City, Chelsea and Madrid pointing and laughing him.
We’d be better off if he told the us truth.
i hope its not just me thinking this , but surly this is double standards from the boss , he can get top dollar for ronnie , a massive , crazy ammount of money , which more than inflated the market so he cant really expect stupid money when he sells but cheap prices when he buys , i cant see the market changing anytime soon , if he doesnt buy now , the world cup will bump up any price for anyone that has a decent tournament , so if business isnt done very early before the wc kicks off , i cant see much action ??? players like akinfeev and dzeko are not going so that could help , but who knows ???
…Again with the no value quote. How about Maxi Rodriguez for 1.5 million?
Chamkah on a bosman (Fair enough the transfer will go through in August)
It’s starting to appear more and ridiculous this argument….
We have paid for players in the past without looking at value…. 18.6 m for Carrick, 30.75 for Berbatov, 30 mn for Ferdinand…etc. Good players will cost money, and more so if its United. Just get the right player in even if we have to pay an extra 2-3 million or so….
But then again, I’ll just leave it to the man who probably knows best…
Sir Alex…I would love to be proved wrong!!
We haven’t been known for spending often in January and I am willing to accept that there is no value. But there’s surely a young and fit defender out there?
And I agree with Red Dave. After the World Cup things will get worse and players like VDS, Rio, Wes, Scholes and Giggs won’t get any younger.
This isn’t about United spending mobey just for the fun of it. The squad, especially the defensive unit will require rebuilding in the next 2 years.
SAF is starting to sound alot like Wenger when it comes to transfers these days! we need 2 creative players in the Midfield and Up front or the most we can hope for this season is the Carling Cup and even that would be a Miracle with the way we’re playing at the moment.
UnitedRant – I hear what you’re saying, I suppose it’s a bit of both. In the same season that Lescott cost £24 million, it is hard to imagine United even being able to sign a half decent defender for a good price.
Of course it aint true!! We dont have money and we need more creativity in the middle of the park and we need a leader to guide this team. We need to make either Hargreaves, Fletcher or Evra the long term captain of this club and invest in either sofiane feghouli, Eden Hazard or Mezsut Ozil. I would go for Ozil, his contract will be up soon and is already a Germany international who has had great success at international level in his fledging career.
Come on Fergie!!
Sign him up!!
macheda is god… That is the funniest reply i’ve ever seen. Cheered me up and even better it were first one
..Hargreaves — almost 1 mil per game..nice example of value for money..nuff said…
Getting good value should be less of an issue when you have just received £80m. Not that Ferguson has ever been too concerned with getting maximum value for money in the past so it’s odd that he comes out with this line now.
We have the possibility of a historic fourth league title in a row but we don’t look strong enough to do it. If we really do have loads of cash in the bank now would be the ideal time to spend some of it.
anybody on this blog married or has a misses or is in love
its a wonderful feeling been in love and those days that are just magical light up your heart and they are days that well be remembered forever and a day but theres always gonna be those times when it feels off and it hurts, it hurts so bad sometimes that your trust goes out the window and you dont know what to be beleiving
I love Manchester United but These are one of those doggy fights
Agree with what United Rant has said 100%.. he never mentioned about value for all these years when signing those players…
hmm ghtt… i hear wot you sayin..
Fergie has a lot to bear with all those untold secrets…
But the team really need strengthening…
David Villa please!
wouldnt the value of a player go up in the summer and as the economy gets better? this is the best time to buy Fergie.
What we need is some billionaire to buy the club from that hairy yank bastard
Two answers to the question about having money to spend: “who knows ?” and “we’ll see”.
My own opinion is that the Glazers need to get their financial house in order – to consolidate their loans and lower their interest rate. Clearly, owing a vast sum of money at 14.25% is a recipe for disaster – one wonders if David Gill has the phone number of the Spanish banks who provide TheVirus with interest-free loans.
Beyond those money matters, I really think that “it’s too soon to tell” with this current squad of players. It’s obvious that some of them haven’t yet made the envisaged contributions and that others are on their last legs but making an informed opinion about the whole – rather than the parts – has been massively complicated by the injury crisis in defence. So, I reckon that the “truth telling” will have to wait until the end of the season; in the mean time, SAF will soldier on with what he has while continuing to tinker to see if he can come up with a combination that will be solid in defence and more coherent in attack.
There are huge questions to answer:
Can Dimitar Berbatov play for UTD in the style and with the results that led SAF to splash-the-cash ?
Can Wayne Rooney play as well as his best on a consistent basis ?
Can Rio Ferdinand regain the level of physical fitness with which he can once again be the “best defender in the world” ?
Can Edwin Van Der Saar regain the mental focus to be the rock on which UTD’s defence will be built ?
Can Owen Hargreaves even play again ?
Can Nani/Anderson become consistent performers ?
Can Valencia use his left foot more than once ?
Can Michael Carrick play with greater intensity ?
Will Fletcherinho continue to get better and better ?
Will Patrice Evra continue to sparkle ?
Can Nemanja Vidic play pain-free for more than two games ?
Can Ryan Giggs continue to amaze-and-confound those who look for him to be “in decline” ?
Can Gary Neville and/or Paul Scholes ever be more than a mere shadow of their former selves ?
How much can SAF rely on the Da Silva twins, KikoTheKid, and Danny Welbeck ?
Does MameBiramDiouf have anything of real substance to offer ?
Is LittleMikey just an impact sub who doesn’t always make an impact ?
and so on.
It’s not as if the current squad has been bad but it is as if the current squad has not been good enough. The unknown answer has to be whether this squad of players can be better, good enough to compete even if it won’t be “great”.
UnitedRant and Red Devil have summed up my thoughts on the subject.
But who do you buy? I would like an attacking midfield to come in to the team but who is there?
You’ll need to buy someone who is ready to fill that role and is proven at this level, basically a world class player. Taking out players who are never going to leave their current club or players who have already been involved in the Champions League, you’re not left with a lot.
The ones who are left will be overpriced, so therfore a risk. Take Ribery, good player, but only played in the French and German leagues, yet is valued at around £60mill. Has only played 4 times this season because of many injuries. Benzema which everyone wanted, even us. Fergie pulled out because of lack of value as Madrid paid over the odds, and he is having a poor season so far.
Truth is, we’re a proper business where all high purchases come with risks. Not a Man City who can buy and pay for any player nad just simply buy another one if it doesn’t work out.
this is bollocks, what the fuck does he want? Another cantona for 1.2mil? Not gona happen, players like di maria or any who have a good world cup are gona cost more in the summer. We’re supposed to be gettin some of the best players in the world and they cost money, end of.
Answers to Denton Davey’s questions:
Can Dimitar Berbatov play for UTD in the style and with the results that led SAF to splash-the-cash? NO.
Can Wayne Rooney play as well as his best on a consistent basis? YES.
Can Rio Ferdinand regain the level of physical fitness with which he can once again be the “best defender in the world”? NO.
Can Edwin Van Der Saar regain the mental focus to be the rock on which UTD’s defence will be built? YES, BUT NOT LONG TERM.
Can Owen Hargreaves even play again? YES.
Can Nani/Anderson become consistent performers? THEY’LL HAVE TO.
Can Valencia use his left foot more than once? NO.
Can Michael Carrick play with greater intensity? NO.
Will Fletcherinho continue to get better and better? YES.
Will Patrice Evra continue to sparkle? YES.
Can Nemanja Vidic play pain-free for more than two games? NO.
Can Ryan Giggs continue to amaze-and-confound those who look for him to be “in decline”? NO.
Can Gary Neville and/or Paul Scholes ever be more than a mere shadow of their former selves? NO.
How much can SAF rely on the Da Silva twins, KikoTheKid, and Danny Welbeck? OUTLOOK POSITIVE.
Does MameBiramDiouf have anything of real substance to offer? YES.
Is LittleMikey just an impact sub who doesn’t always make an impact? YES.
I won’t say “Buy Ribery” or “Buy Benzema”, because we are talking a lot of cash on players who don’t want to come to OT. But is it that hard to invest on someone like Di Maria? There is no value for him? And there was value for Nani?
Like stretford972 says, acquiring some of the best players in the world(even young ones) means spending money. Like we did when we went for Nani and Anderson. Finally, I will say this. If we are going to spend money in the summer, we better do it before the World Cup begins.
has anyone else noticed in almost EVERY interview you’ll find “There’s no doubt, no question.”
We’ve got no money. End of
Comon cheer up… There is surely a bargain waiting to happen for us… But all we need is a creative midfielder who can put in those defense splitting passes and shoot as well… Not many there but if carrick get back to what he was towards the end of the last season, then heck we’ll be laughing at the end of the season…
i agree with Rewind Mezsut Ozil is a class player. he shon in the under 21 championships in sweden when germany destroyed england. he was a key player in that game and has been brilliant at his club Weder Bremen.
he has alll the attributes of a creative central midfield player.
i think that the budget for players now is £20 million and the CR7 money we received has been allocated to the interest on the debt – well maybe a large chunk of it anyway. unless SAF raises his own money from sales of fringe players like Tosic etc, then our annual budget is about £20 million (Valencia @ £16m, Obertan @ £3m and Owen free).
that’s the new reality as the glaziers try and sort out the debt they created.
this is how it’s going to be for a few years until the debt situation is sorted and the economic climate changes.
but he can’t go out in public and tell the fans what we already know. remember even though he created, built and established United as THE most prominant team in the World, he is still is accountable to the directors. and coming out like that at a press conference would be sackable offence. yes SAF has earnt the right to say what he feels to a certain degree but he is smart enough to know how things work and the damage of anything said to the media would have not only on the club, but the fans the players and even selling clubs. so whilst there is frustration from fans, SAF has to be careful what he says and doesn’t say because the implications are massive is he says the right thing at the wrong time.
Oh yeah, and 12 million EUROS for Douglas Costa to Shakhtar.. Better than £16m for a player who is soooooo one footed he could convice you that Ryan Giggs has the best right foot in the league…
When the media sees United are down, they don’t have much else to throw at them other than the Glazer’s finances…
It does unsettle fans, it does make people worry when times are tough.
Fergies not exactly settling things on that front
Stephen, that’s just a habit of Fergie’s. No question about that.
Stephen, Valencia has been one of our best performers this season. I’m happy with his contribution, you can keep your 5’5” Brazilian “new Robinho/Denilson/Shaun Wright-Phillips” whatever they’re calling him. We’ll see what becomes of Douglas Costa in time.
Gremio were demanding £20m for Costa because it was United who wanted him, not Shakhtar. Spurs or someone probably could have got Valencia for £11m. Everyone should be used to the “United tax” by now.
and while i’m at it.. If there’s no value, why not actually use some of the players you bought ie Tosic who was great in pre season, continually plays well for Serbia but can’t even get 20 mins even with Nani being as poor as he is.
He couldn’t be any worse… there’s no doubt, no question
There’s PLENTY of weird stuff this season…
Stephen – Alright pal. You would rather Costa over Valencia. How many time shave you seen him play like. I am more than happy with Valencia.
Oh come on. Why the fuck would Fergie lie? As I said the other day there is no way he would be dictated to.
He may as well retire now as it seems people know his job better than him.
What do you mean Fergie isn’t settling people? So should he go out and buy Ribery just to appease fans?
Sorry for the multiple posts but it isn’t just a case of “so and so is good for such and such, lets get him”. How do you know he would fit in at United? Is his attitude right? Does he want to join United? Will his club sell him?
Sorry last one but Costa has told Shaktar that he is only there for a year and two as it is a stepping stone to a bigger club”. Yeah top attitude.
Fred,
you could have a point. What will probably happen is, he’ll got to spurs for £15m then we’ll buy him for about £35m the season after (assuming the money’s still there ;o) )
The only reason i mentioned Douglas Costa specifically was a quote from the chairman of gremio who said they had become so desperate for money, the player had asked for a move so he HAD to go.. Mind you Shakhtar are realtively useful these days hey.
It’s all about potential and to be fair Fergie has got it right more times than wrong. I just feel we are really missng some spark this season. Injuries haven’t helped but i don’t believe this “we’re not weaker” mantra. Admittedly goal distribution amongst the team is higher but i can remember the times this team REALLY excited me this season on one hand.
God, i sound like a glory supporter who expects success.. I’ve been a fan since 1982 , the old 80s, when we were so bad it was funny.
We do need some spark in the midfield for sure…
I find it amazing you lot can’t understand what Fergusson is saying. He says there isnt anyone of Uniteds quality for a reasonable price. He didn’t say there arent players of Uniteds quality. Weve just heard that Costa is on his way to Donetsk, for 12 million. I remember Uniteds offer was far higher than that in the summer, they didn’t want to sell. Bayern want 60 million for Ribery, hes worth half that. Can all of you out there justify 60 million for Ribery when both Ronaldo and Kaka are years younger with greater experience and in Kakas case cheeper. Ronaldo has played in the european championship final with Portugal, won a champions league, runner up in the champions league. Kaka is a brazillian permanent international, won the champions league. Ribery has played 1and half years in the champions league, is currently on and off playing, his merits include the league and cup double in Germany (hardly the toughest league).
How abot the price touted for Villa, 40 million for a 28 year old now theres value for money, 3-4 playing years at 10-12,5 million a year (wont be much sell on value for a 32 year old) not including wages.
Some one on here thought of players like Sofiane feghouli, Eden Hazard or Mezsut Ozil. These arent major signings, they wont neccesarily better the squad, which surely is the point.
We cant sign Kaka (as hes already moved once this year (FIFA rule)), Messi wont move, Zlatan Ibrahimovich (who I dont rate anyway cant move), Xavi and Iniesta wont leave Barca. So can someone please tell me who we’re supposed to sign that would please the fans and get them off Fergies and the Glazers back. Name names.
Names that would be better than VDS, Rafael (or O’shea), Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Hargreaves (or Carrick), Fletcher, Valencia, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney, Berbatov …….. Theres 3 leagues in a row and two championsleague finals in a row. What a Shit team eh!?
If any of you out there consider 40 million for a 28 year old or 60 million for an inexperienced 27 year old then you have absolutely no right criticising the Glazers and their ability to play with money.
truly bizarre . since when has spending over odds concerned fergie?? its clear that glazers took that money as soon as we got it and if as expected vidic leaves in the summer, will that money be reinvested in the squad? the glazers are slowly but surely killing manchester united.
King Eric,
I didn’t said i wanted Costa over Valencia.
I said that at 12m euros he is value because of age and potential. I don’t believe (personally) that you can say “there is no value” after having paid £16m for Valencia, thats the total cost of Benficas forward line (including Di Maria). As Fred said you have to factor in “we are United” and we pay more, but even so.
Lots of people rate Valencia as a player, i know a lot who don’t either. I don’t but his statistics prove that in the team system he’s being quite effective. Teams aren’t after all just about the best players.. Check Madrid.
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Stephen – Sorry mate I thought thats what you meant. Like Fred said though they wanted 20 million from United. He was invited to Carrington to train with the team but I think Gremio put a stop to it. How are you anyway?
Stephen there is plenty of doubt about weither we have money or not.I’ll put you at ease We have money. There isnt a column who has knowledgably reported about the subject that hasnt stated that Uniteds interest repayments were payed with SOME of the clubs turnover money NOT with the transfer kittie for the sale of Ronaldo and the savings that will come about by not paying the wages of Ronaldo and Tevez. We also havent received last years Champions league money, We have a new sponsor coming up. It was also written in one article that United debts with interest are more than 700million, that was slightly missleading as it states the debt before repayment plus the interest was more than 700 million, yeah but you have to take off the 69 million payed. Our debts are less than 700million, the Glazers (we) are paying it back.
The only reason why people hate the Glazers is because they are Yanks, simple as. A biggoted and shitey attitude.
On another point, Valencia is a class player and anyone who thinks different is a bleeding twat, Fergusson proved right again. I too am pissed off with the poor results of late but thats a player thing, the teams we lost against were minnows, Besiktas, Fulham, Leeds, Villa (ok they are the exception) but if your trying to tell me the squad of players we had available to play those was a lesser squad in comparison to the opposition then your all arseholes. We played poorly, simple as the big players did sodd all to help the youngsters and weve had an injury crisis. Saying this, who here beleives that if we had of been stupid enough to sign Villa or Ribery, wouldn’t we have rested him against league 3 (2, 1, coka cola championship league ??) opposition anyway. So whats the fekkin difference.
Douglas costas is a player with mentality similar to CR7 in the way he is full of himself… Maybe he is the kind of player who’ll make it at our club… But then we are united and we play football different to others, We are more British than most of the others.However the problem is there are not many Scholesy type players (and i feel we really missed out on Ramsey though,sorry).
Guys, heres my 2cents. I agree with Fergie that there are some ridiculous figures being thrown around. However theres always value to be found on any market. Fergie is just not smart in the transfer market. People like Wenger and Redknapp. Really astute when it comes to the transfer market. Hugely underrated Players like Diego, Juninho, Huntelaar, Van der vaart. We really should have bitten Werders hand off 3 years ago for an excellent player like Diego. Juninho, consistently performs for Lyon. We could have got a brilliant playmaker in Juan Roman Riquelme for an absolute song when he was unhappy at Villareal. Missed opportunities.
This excuse is such BS. The value in signing players like Hamsik, Di Maria and Kjaer now compared to signing them after the world cup is huge. Chelsea, Real and City won’t stop spending, so nothing is going to change with regards to the inflation of transfer prices, and add to this the increased inflation that will inevitably follow the WC this excuse just doesn’t add up.
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He’s not a liar – surely there is a bit of money – but I don’t buy his saying there ain’t no value – there is never going to be value with those teams around, plus he’s never worried about that before – so mate it ain’t black and white as you say..
There is a weird catch 22 going on here. The glazers also own the tampa bay bucs in the NFL. They have had losing seasons each year and finished this one with a 3-13 record. They have hired a very young coach, youngest in the league and not proven. They have one of the lowest salaries in the NFL, in fact that are about 30M under the salary cap. They refuse to add more players even though salary cap wise, they can more than afford it.
Many of their fans blame their purchase of man utd on all the problems with the Bucs, you can read it on all their blogs.
I dont know that we can ignore what is going on with their other team. My fear is that they seem to be ok with having a losing record and saving on adding players when they can. I do feel like they are the ones holding Fergie back from spending…..
@GHTT
I think it’s more complicated than that mate. Sometimes you have to bend the truth(notice, i didn’t say “lie”) in order to protect someone. Fergie loves United too much in order to come out and say flat out that he has to work with a limited budget. So instead, he says that there isn’t anyone out there at the moment. Like King Eric, I have often wondered if Fergie would accept working under these conditions. He is a proud man, but if he ever collided with the Glazers and left us, what would happen of the club? So in my opinion(and it’s something I will only refer to in transfer windows) is that he accepted certain things for the greater good of the club.
A poll would be interesting. You can add me to the camp who think this “value” line is bullshit.
Lads,
There’s a lot of negativity here. Utd have splashed out big in recent years with mixed success. A number of notes have referenced the money spent on Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves and we have yet to see a good return on that. Berba still divides opinion so is it any wonder that Fergie is now reluctant to possibly repeat the same mistakes. His more recent successes have been with Vidic and Evra who were bargains by today’s standards and maybe, just maybe, he’s fed up of seeing prices inflated because we’re in the market for a player.
Please also remember that for the majority of this season we’ve been without VdS, Rio and Vidic, and i’m struggling to remember when we were able to field the same solid defence of last season. That doesn’t help assess the strength of the squad when you’re having to cope with so many injuries.
If he does buy the who exactly fits the bill? We dont actual need defenders – we just need the ones we’ve got to get and remain fit. I do think we’re pretty strong in midfield and, more importantly, don’t see anyone out there who will improve the team. Up front, well, I can only think of 2 playes who I’d want. One of them we sol din the summer (that’s Ronny not the argie twat) and the other plays down the East Lancs. Toughie….
as i said earlier, SAF cannot simply come out and say “we haven’t got any money”. what kind of message would that send out? it would also damage the clubs reputation and it would make us a laughing stock.
dispite all of this we can still win some trophies this season. and once our players return like Hargreaves we will be a lot stronger. i really hope he’s fit for the Milan game because we’ll need his intelligence and authority in the centre of midfield.
listen guys i can see ur frustration but u all should remember SAF isnt a fool. many glory hunters want to see super stars. i really dont understand why all of u slating our team. why do we need a player now? bcoz shity speding so we have to compete with them to just show off. shut up guys our present team is more than capable of wining titles and they will compete with all the other teams. look at chelski did they spend millions in last 3 years did they won any major titles last 3 years accept FA and community sheild? didnt they perform to b a titles contenders now? did they buy overpriced players recently? there was a rumour aguero ribery etc etc but still no sign that they will buy. look at shity how much they spend and what happend to them managers afeter spending. whats wrong with antonio valencia? whats wrong with anderson? whats wrong with da silva brothers? whats wrong with other players as u all constantly complaining? all i can see here most of them want to see hype and over priced players in our team. after wining 3 epl and european cup we hav a dip in our team but not the woese sitution like pools we r still 2nd and title contenders. lets try our young players and see how they gonna cope with the preasure. get behind the team it doesnt matter who plays end of the day flop or slopy they wear red devil shirt respect. SAF will decide who he want to keep who he want to sell, if u r telling the board and the manager what to to nad what not to do, y dont u manage a team?
what is it with people giving out about valencia?
so what if he doesnt use his left foot, who gives a fuck?
apart from rooney, fletch and evra he has been our best player this season. and you would expect big things from the other three i mensioned.
valencia has really impressed me this season.
Wait… I dont think he is lying… I mean he did say we have money but did not mention as to how much… So a decent investment can always be expected… Anyway look at that arsene, he stood by his guns and does manage to find bargains every now and then…
@ united.george
your right mate. i follow the NFL and see my team the 49ers most times on satellite tv. and whilst the Buccaneers won the super bowl a few years back, they have gone backwards and that’s mainly down to the glaziers.
i think that the things they got away with in Tampa Bay they could not with United. they would face an almighty backlash like they’ve never experienced before by fans and other institutions/organisations.
Okay, from a financial perspective our clubs debt are massive and growing by the minute. if the opportunity arose they would sell United as long as they made a profit. United are an attractive club to any investor and we’ve proven that from a business side we make money. Look at the sponsorship for next season? one of the biggest in football history with Aon.
having a deal like that despite the economic climate shows how strong a brand United are.
maybe is the Manchester United Supporters’ Trust (MUST) or the independent Manchester United Supporters association (IMUSA) got together along with some other organisations they could organise a buy out of the glaziers. it could be organised in a similar model to Barcelona’s model.
United are worth about £1 to £1.5 billion, and any person/company/organisation would have to find about £2 to £3 billion not on to buy the club, but also clear it’s debts and then put it on an even keel in terms of massive transfer kitty.
“shut up guys our present team is more than capable of wining titles and they will compete with all the other teams”
Sorry i thought this was a discussion board,
@stephen
agree with you that we have a capable squad for the most part to challenge for titles, but wanted to mention what is going on with the glaziers’ other sports team and their attitude about it.
@KVN
support the 49ers as well, i actually live in the san francisco bay area:)
how about we raise about 20 mil from fans around the world on RoM and give it to fergie to get Mesut Ozil. He is the best of all the young players around the world right now. Good enough to get the “11″ off Giggs’ back. For now he can have Nani’s 17 though. Fergie has given up on him sadly
I dont expect SAF to come out and ever say” I dont have money to spend”. It is right that SAF can leave if he feels the club is not being run in the right way, but does anyone think he will do that at a club where he has been a manager for 23 years?. I dont think so. He will continue to battle on as he has done in the past and prove everyone wrong.
A couple of points i wanted to make
1. SAF says there is no VFM at the moment in the market. Fair enough, he is right about that but does he think if any such player is available the likes of City, Real,Chelsea wont go for him in the summer. We wont be the only team intrested.
2. Suppose he is targeting a young player who shines at the world cup a bidding war will take place and we can saftely say that real and Chelsea will pay any ridiculous price for the player and we will miss out again
3. There have been instances in the past where SAF has been ready to pay over the top price for a player so why cant he do it now?
on the positive note
1. The inflated prices for players really prove SAF has a point and there is really no point paying ridiculous prices for Players like Ribery, Villa in their late 20s
2.There are young lads with potential who SAF wants to give a chance and thinks they can make an impression. So far nearly everyone has let him down but there are signs that a few of them can break through in the coming months.
3. Who understands these things better than Sir Alex?.
4. If we are just looking at this transfer window, there arent many cases of players signed in January really doing well and being instant hits. I can remember only Arshavin and James Beattie making an impression last season and cant remember anyone who SAF has signed at United in Jan who made a real impression apart from possibly Henrik Larsson
We’re skint and we know we are,
We’re skint and we know we are……
I dont understand why fergie doesnt just come out and say what we
all know.
And as for there not being a player out there i can think of quite a few.
As soon as I read this article on Sky Sports I immediately came here to look at some of the comments. Some have made me really think and I agree with many things I have read. Manutd4eva said “all i can see here most of them want to see hype and over priced players in our team” which I agree many of these players are over priced and over hyped. Some of the players would help but won’t make the difference Andy Gray would like to see and I don’t think it would help that much in the short run or really the long run. I agree with others who have said their are not good players out there who could give us help but since they are so expensive it is hard to pay such a large amount. Dzeko could have helped but for 50 million euros? Berba was over priced and so far how has that worked out? It might be a good idea to get a good look at these young players and look to grab someone before the WC or find a gem who plays for a country who is not in the WC and still could help.
I think the assumption the Glazers were the reason or are the reason the Bucs are struggling is a stretch. The ownership has made money available and put faith in the coaches and general managers who did not do a great job. Decision making might not be great in hiring but hopefully United don’t have to do that for awhile. While I think this is a bad assumption I do agree that they have not been good for United. The huge debt and lack of transfers does concern me and I believe the are manifestations of poor ownership. We are relying on our world appeal and I wonder if we are losing some of that with CR’s departure but that will be the case till we quench some nerves from our fans.
With all that said I think we will be fine. We have been inconsistent due to the constant changes in our squad due to rotation from injuries. Once (or if) the injury crisis elevates United will get back to the form we have seen in games when our first choice defenders have played in. I am confident we have enough in the team to win a title and even if we brought a player on he would take time to gel in the team and when would he help us? Would it not be more likely to take at least a month, maybe two? If you agree with then I have to ask will not our injury crisis be elevated by then and with our first choice line-up can we not win big games? I think we can and I think players like Berba would find his form if we had a solid foundation in the form of our defense.
Anyways I don’t think Fergie is lying when he says he doesn’t find any value in the transfer market as I have been searching and see some that would help but all would take time to gel in the team. I would rather save the money for the summer and get players then. Lets see what Diouf can do and give Obertan more time to gel. They might prove to be exactly what we need and if they aren’t then we can focus on that this summer. Sorry for the ramble but all these comments got my thinking. Nice posts everyone
the value line is complete and utter shite.
fergie is god but i do believe he will, to a degree, say the right thing to keep the glazer filth sweet.
he had ample opportunity to back us up over keeping the glazer’s away all those years ago but didn’t even when eric and ole and red nev so publicly did.
i can only imagine what having his backing on keeping the glazers out would’ve done for the cause. we got the odd soundbite from him at the time but not the ‘die for the cause’ backing we needed. his voice would’ve been heard above all others and could’ve really made the difference.
in his defence i think he’s just become too cautious, especially after the failure of nani, injuries to hargreaves and the non-emergence of anderson as a real player.
our recent signings and the financial situation at the club has left me completely confused and very worried.
there’s no doubt at all that we need some real experienced quality that will keep us at the top of our game but that means spending serious money that we just don’t have to throw away anymore but spending that money could tip us over the edge financially.
we’re now in a very bad position. do we stay cautious, spend pennies and keep our heads above water? or do we risk big money that could keep us at the top or could also ruin us?
i think the majority of people are starting to realise just how bad the glazers really are for this club.
it pains me to say it but if it meant the glazers fucked off forever then i’d take a few years in the wilderness no questions asked.
we’d get back to being united again.
moneys not everything.
belonging to something is.
@ united.george
When I play madden 10 online I’m always the niners. They only have a few good players like Gore, Vernon Davis and Smith the QB, who replaced Shaun Hill. Mike Singletary needs to sort out their defence and their offensive line. I remember seeing the game against the Seahawks when they threw that game away – we lost by a field goal with a few seconds to go. That made me mad!!!
Anyway back to proper football. I think the way forward if the Glazers don’t sort out the debt is for the fans to buy them out
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I agree that the transfer market has been heavily influenced by the antics of Citeh and Real Madrid which has inflated prices high above the actual players worth.
Does Sir Alex REALLY have money to spend though? Hmm, I’m doubtful but if he can’t find the right player at the right price then I’m not against waiting, I don’t like our football club being held to ransom a la Berbatov.
Ishaq @ 17:32: ” Hugely underrated Players like Diego, Juninho, Huntelaar, Van der vaart.”
Diego isn’t under-rated by anyone except Dunga; Juninho has left Lyons and retired; Huntelaar failed miserably at TheVirus; Van der Vaart plays sometimes for TheVirus but often sits – he’s good but he ain’t great. They’ve been trying to squeeze him out but his wife is Spanish and he wants to be in Madrid.
The only manager who has consistently worked the bottom of the market with great success is ArseneWhinger – van Persie and Diaby for 2 million ? Adebayor bought for 2 million sold for 25 million ? Ramsey looks good and Fabregas was an incredible “steal” from Barcelona. Arshavin also looks like a bargain for fifteen million. Much as I hate to acknowledge Wenger’s astuteness, it would be blind to bury one’s head in the sand and fail to comment on the obvious. BUT, on the other hand, even with all these great bargain-basement signings you have to ask “what have they done lately ?” No titles, no cups since he sold off Dirty Patrick, Ca$hley Hole, and Teary Henry – that puts he purchasing powers in perspective.
I’m going to echo what “Macheda is god” said….Bollocks.
If we’ve got it, get it spent.
Too much of our money is paying for the Glazers lifestyle. That and their debt.
have i just read someone say there is a player that could take the ’11′ of gigg’s back? I can’t bear to read it again so just making sure.
Trust! Faith!
Is it just me but is everyone else who follows and has followed this club before S,A,F came here WORRIED.
The Phrase “I wouldnt sell that lot a virus” ring any alarm bells?We all know what happend next,so maybe the vidic rumours do hold something.
But the point im really trying to get across is, if S,A,F said what he did about the sale of Ronaldo and the “VIRUS” why ,why why would we believe that the money is there?Because people in high places are playing on the undying faith and trust that united fans have in S,A,F. And people are right after the world cup the price of an average player let alone good one will be stupid, so when will S,A,F get the players of true value.
Sorry this red smells something bad and my trust in S,A,F and the higherarchy at O.T. is failing it did after the virus comment.
But dont worry Crewe get by as a feeder club and im sure we will produce many great players for REAL MADRID.
In short we are all being treated like fools and if we believe the money is still there then they are right to treat us such
Since the NFL doesn’t relegate teams it makes their owners complacent. This is what we are seeing with the Glazers. Not that we would ever get to that point.
People need to stop believing what they read. Anyone who has followed United longer a year (by the look of these naive comments there are a few guys yet to hit pubity) would know that the UK media love to sensationalize about United more than anything else.
Sensationalize:
“To present information about something in a way that provokes public interest and excitement, at the expense of accuracy.”
If you don’t understand that sentence, I suggest you get yourself on eBay and buy a brain.
Puberty > Pubity
lofty7@ 19:49: “i think the majority of people are starting to realise just how bad the glazers really are for this club.”
Let’s have some perspective here – the club was not owned by the fans before the Glazers bought it; it won’t be owned by the fans when they sell it. In the meanwhile, the Glazers’ “stewardship” has just seen three consecutive EPL titles, the third CL trophy, a CL final and a CL semi-final. If this is considered “bad” then I have to wonder about what you would say if TheLads fail to win this year and lose to ACMilan in the next round – the end of the world ?
I see things quite differently, the Glazers are going to walk away from their “investment” with a massive profit or else they are going to continue their “stewardship” with a tricky financial high-wire act. But, either way, they have to keep a winning team on the field to maintain the value of their “asset”.
But for the sake of argument, let’s assume your doomsday scenario – not winning a fourth successive EPL title and losing to ACMilan in the first knock-out round of the CL. What will the Glazers do – let the team slowly decline so that they finish out of the top-four OR re-invesst in on-field “product” ? If they choose the first option then their “investment” will lose its charisma and its value so that seems like a no-go; if they choose the second option then it becomes debatable whether or not they will stick with SAF or go with a new guy (and the front-runner in that case would have to be Jose Mourinho) ? If they do switch managers there is no guarantee that he can work miracles without a large ca$h infusion, bringing in his own players, and so on.
NOW, let’s step back a moment and take a few deep breaths.
Let’s assume that SAF finally gets his first-team healthy and fit for the end of this month so that he can go to face TheArse with his best players all available – do you seriously think that that team (with VDS in goal; a defence of Brown/Vidic/Ferdinand/Evra; a midfield of Fletcherinho, Carrick, Valencia, Hargreaves; and an attack that has finally gelled with Rooney and Berbatov) would lie down at TheEmirates ? I don’t – that team is actually stronger than the one which outplayed the RentBoyz at Stamford Bridge about seven or eight weeks ago. Do you think that that team would be out-manned, out-muscled, and bitch-slapped all over the pitch by ACMilan ?
From my vantage-point on the couch in Toronto, UTD have been mis-firing all season long YET TheLads are two points from first place in the EPL and in the knock=out phase of the CL. If the stars align and the ducks-are-in-a-row then I see no reason why this squad of players can’t do just as well as its predecessors did over the past three years. Of course, the stars might not align but this squad has the talent to be in with just as good a chance to succeed as those other ones had.
I’d sure like to see players of the quality of Georgie Best and Pele added to the first-team attackers and maybe a Beckenbauer and a Maldini lining up in the back four – but that isn’t going to happen. This is the team that SAF has assembled under the stewardship of the Glazers’ ownership.
My point is, therefore, that the doom-merchants are losing their grip on reality. No team is guaranteed success. Nobody is going to bow down to UTD and let them win; they will have to win the game on the pitch BUT this first-team is certainly strong enough to do just that.
Correction: Puberty > Pubity
aig – I see what you are saying but can you REALLY imagine Fergie being dictated to? It is not in his make up.
Furthermore perhaps he actually feels as though his current squad is good enough to win the league and do well in Europe. Aside from Ronnie it is the same squad except we now have Valencia who has done well so far. I have more than enough confidence that this team can get number 4 on the spin.
“losing some of our World appeal since the departure of CR”. Seriously? United have been popular globally along time before he came on the scene.
King Eric
No one can tell Sir Alex what he has to do. Who knows it better than him?. i feel even if he is unhappy he wont leave all of a sudden but will tell the club in advance so that they can look out for someone to replace him. However considering the Love he has for United he will rather fight through the situation than leave even if we dont have money to spend.
aig – I don’t think he would mate. It would be futile to think he can continue the success if he does not believe his players are up to scratch. We lost Ronaldo yet people all of a sudden seem to think we are proper shit. Not you by the way.
denton’s post to me makes alot of sense.
Frgie is right. The market is ‘hot’ and players are vastly over-priced especially when UTD are linked.
UTD were quoted £20m for Douglas Costa, but another club can have him for half that price. Ben Artur have been interesting Fergie, if you believe press reports, so his club have said he’s yours for £40m! Wenger was prepared to pay £5m for him 18 months ago. If Fergie isn’t careful, and he is, the CR money could be spent on rubbish – the likes of Berbatov for £32m, Keane for £20m and Aquilana for £20m would see a BIG hole in his transfer kitty.
I don’t believe that the Glazers have taken the CR to pay off interest. When the Glazers took over Fergie made it quite clear that he expects £25m EVERY summer, plus what he can recoup on outgoing transfer fees. So come July he could have £105m plus.
Fergie can recognise bargains – Vidic for £7m, Evra for £5m – and there must be others out there. Fergie will have his scouts looking for another Vidic or Evra. Clubs don’t want to lose players in mid-season, so Fergie could be looking at Russia and S America where their seasons have ended.
King Eric – yes if he is happy with the squad that is well and great. I’m sure he is more than happy with the players he’s got – why not? we are on course for the major trophies apart from that cup… but since summer he’s been going on about value which just does not make sense to many people here..
King Eric
My heart says he would never do that but then he is used to winning and if he dosent feel that current crop is not good enough and he does not have the funds to buy new players you are right. he may leave. Worrying thought that. Hope what he says is true and we find a way to reduce our debt
my fuck I wish Benzama could turn back the clock and signed for the right team for him. 35million pound spent later noone would give 2 fucks about the debt. maybe we should of just signed Tiny Tevez for 48 million just to keep people happen
Tony starks and King eric
We have a great squad and some world class players. All we need is a fully fit squad and some of the young lads to prove that they can be world class. Thats the reason he hasnt bought anyone.However there is a limit. IF nani,ando and a few others dont improve and perform on a consistent basis SAf will tell them to go and look for replacements.
Comment from Denton Davey:
“I see things quite differently, the Glazers are going to walk away from their “investment” with a massive profit or else they are going to continue their “stewardship” with a tricky financial high-wire act. But, either way, they have to keep a winning team on the field to maintain the value of their “asset””.
A lot of UTD fans fail to realise this very simple fact – the Glazers will not sit idly by and watch their biggest asset deteriorate. They will not preside over UTD’s financial downfall, however much this might upset fans of other clubs and the London football press gallery who delight in making comments on UTD’s financial ‘plight’.
The Glazers should know by now that success in football involves a never ending process of re-investment in the club and team. UTD at the moment need that and the heavy load of interest payments should not and will not deter the owners from giving the manager the needed funds.
AIG
if ando doesnt step up theres gibson
if nani doesnt then there gabby
theres cleverley and valencia
ghtt
There are options, no doubt about it but someone has to do it fast, we cant wait for ages for someone to prove they are world class.
1.Nani has pace but is inconsistent with his shooting and crossing
2.Gibson has a great shot but limited range of passing and dosent get stuck in enough
3.Anderson is good at passing and gets stuck in but cant shoot to save his life
4.valencia has been a success and will continue to improve
There arent players who are rubbish or crap but there are a few aspects of their game they need to work on to really become complete players.
aig: “There arent players who are rubbish or crap but there are a few aspects of their game they need to work on to really become complete players.”
Sensible and even-handed. I concur – those four have all the talent to make it big-time but sometimes a player needs more. Time will tell but your comment is to the point: it’s not as if these guys are stiffs
i think we’ve got alot of money to spend but i agree with SAF everyones overpriced and i cant seee to many players that would improve us loads…im happy with the squad we got
lets get the virus thing straight. Fergie wouldn’t sell madrid a virus. But he also wouldn’t turn down 80MILLION for a player. He will do what he wants to do, not what he’s told to. He never has and never will. He will always have the best interests of the club and the players at heart. He’s been here for more than 20 years and has guided us through our most successful spells, helped produce some of the best players in the world and guided us to more trophies than i could ever have imagined. What exactly does someone have to do to get some faith? As for the glazers, i know jack about finance, maybe even less than that. However i know that when they leave the club they’ll get more money for a successful club with healthy debt repayments than a run down ‘feeder club’. If some ppl think we have it hard with this club, they should try going supporting some of the lower league clubs and see how hard they have it.
My small contribution to manutd’s finances issue:
Income:
(i) 19 games per season times 100 (avg. ticket price per game) times 76,000 attendance=140 million
(ii) AIG sponsorship = 20 million per year
(iii) Nike sponsorship = 10 million per year
(iv) 5 home champions league games (assumes manutd get to the final, as always) = 38 million
(v) TV rights, etc = 66 million
Total = 274 million (excludes all transfer profits)
Expenses:
(i) Salaries: 200 million per year (assumes 100,000 per week for 20 players)
(ii) Debt Service: 70 million per year (assumes 40 million monthly payment)
Total = 270 million
Profit: 4 million per year (very conservative estimate)
Maybe Scott has access to better sources that I do. I just used some numbers I recalled from reading several articles (not the best source).
I believe the speculation of manutd’s finaces comes up often. From what I read in the article below, that explains the manutd finances better, it seems that the club is in a better financial position at the moment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/5130064/Manchester-United-debt-soars-to-700m-despite-record-season.html
Circling back to some of the comments I’ve read here, I think Fergie means this: I paid 16 million for Valencia (right winger, with two years of premier league experience). The current market values di Maria at 30 to 40 million (left winger, with NO premier league experience). Conclusion: There is no value—no reason in the world I would pay twice as much for a worse player.
Thanks Denton
The others like Cleverley, welbeck, macheda re still very young and will need more time while diouf and obertan need games before we can come to conclusions about them.Ando,nani have got quite a lot of games under their belt. So they should be the ones who we should expect something from. Sadly their consistency has been lacking even though all of them have given a few eye catching performances suggesting they could step up a few years.Valencia looks good though and is settling down well.Used his left foot too on Sunday. Hopefully he will do that more.
hmm… me not bothered one little bit about whether we sign x, y or z – besides this topic is just getting too boring.. just found it funny sir alex ferguson saying there is no value after spending his whole United career paying over the odds for players – end of..
face it, we have no idea about the finance situation and even if we do there is nothing we can do about it – come on just bring on the football, that’s the only thing that matters!
*Step up a few gears*
One more thing: the above-referenced article came out after the 2-2 home draw with Porto in April 2009. It therefore seems that the media bring up the issue every time manutd gets a bad result. I guess there is nothing better for the media to write about these days…
I would really be concerned if SAF decides to pay Viera 150,000 per week.
It’s just depressing. It feels like my(younger fan’s) heritage has been stolen by the glazers. A debt free, partially fan owned, massively profitable club bought against loans on itself. ._. **** the Glazers.
rdurango – I may be wrong but there is one small flaw with your estimation of salaries. £100,000 per week @ 20 players x 52 weeks is just over a hundred million per annum not two hundred million.
“I would really be concerned if SAF decides to pay Viera 150,000 per week.”
In practice, yes; in theory, no. By this I mean, I wouldn’t want the aged Vieira because he’s a spent force; BUT, let’s say that someone else with his age-profile and fantastic resume became available for a similar price to provide the team with an effective, lead-the-line sniper – say, SuperPippo Inzaghi or David Trezeguet or Raul or Teary Henry or maybe even Diego Forlorn or RVN or ????? – then a free-transfer/high wages/short contract punt wouldn’t be ridiculous.
These guys would all demand absurdly-high wages but if they could score a few crucial goals then that might make the difference between a triumphant season and a disappointing one. Indeed, it might just give Dimitar Berbatov and LittleMikey the shot up the jacksie that would force them to fight harder for playing time.
aig – Hi mate. I would say Cleverley is much further on in terms of development than Obertan. He will be a United player next season for certain.
Evening all
Still here then?
Nice to see after all the doom equated to loosing one single cup match the club is still alive and kicking
Funny how the doom mongers started the week saying City over United yet the week ends with City buying a freebie and SA being SA hasn’t found his diamond – can live with that.
Really surprised that the press are still persisting over the debt issue – for now – I mean they’ve killed it so much and gone through every angle beggars belief what else is there to say? Also what beggars belief – why haven’t they taken City to account on there freebie? What happened have the owners told the management they have to live within their means – and become self sufficient? What do I know…
Glazer’s with a magic wand? Yeah we wish
Anyway chin up got to get back to work tomorrow
They never will get it – this club will just never die and even if they want to kill it it will just refuse and rise higher still.
: ) Can live with that too
King Eric: You are absolutely right on. I did my calculations on a napkin to illustrate the point that manutd is actually a money making machine, not a team in dire financial distress, as the idiots in the press trying to imply. According to your correction, manutd’s profits are roughly 104 million a year (not 4, due to my error). I did not consider other expenses (e.g., SAF’s salary, executive compensation, keeping the lights on at Carrington, etc.). The point, however, remains the same. I trust that SAF’s judgement of the situation is not due to the finances.
Denton Davey: You have a valid point. I think I got carried away by my hatred toward shitty, their new manager, and their new found wealth. Giggs, Nevile, and Scholes are all older than Viera anyway.
Earlier on I wasn’t up to blogging but as I sit here and think I would like to say this to every United fan
Fuck it – even if the shit hit the fan and it all went pear shaped and the prays of the media and City fans, Scousers, Chelsea etc etc were answered and it eventually meant that the club was in trouble:
We would be there – we those that have pledged our heart and soul to this Manchester United – those that have grown up listening to the stories of the Babes – that team that never grew together, that never had a chance – those that went through the years when survival was enough – those that bit the bullet when SA could not even buy a trophy – those that have been through the good times times and the bad times – those of us all of us that have got to this point – We would be there at the door of our club and we would do whatever it would have to take to get our club back.
We already make OT what it is. If it came down to it we would gladly take it and make it our own.
That is the one thing no one else could understand – they don’t have to they never have understood us.
Very well said Briggsy @ 16.18, couldnt agree more. Sorry but all those saying that SAF never had a problem paying over the odds on a player before and that his reasons for not spending big are bollocks must realize that we are in a dire financial situation globally and even if a club is not skint, financial risks simply cannot be taken with the same almost reckless abandon of a few years ago, I say wait for a dog to die before you bury it. In SAF we trust, he’s certainly earned it!
Latest from Fergie:
“We don’t have great options, if Rooney were to get injured, in the sense that we don’t have top quality like Ronaldo, who could play anywhere.”
An open admission that Berbatov and Owen are useless, before adding:
“But, still, we’re not too bad.” That’s reassuring!
“….that his reasons for not spending big are bollocks must realize that we are in a dire financial situation globally and even if a club is not skint….”
The club isn’t in ‘dire financial situation’. The Glazers may be but not the club.
Wait till the figures for last season are published, usually in January. I’m expecting a club profit of about £70m. What other football club in the world is capable of getting figures like that?
There seems to be a lot of passion here to get United back on track and there are suggestions being fired from all angles.
Here is my argument for at least one big buy, even if it means off-loading some dead weight.
Has anyone considered the image United projects to the ‘world’. At present it consists of endless rumours of serious debt. Or Madrid constantly ‘bitch slapping’ us by spreading rumours of stealing more players. This is followed by unusually limp performances, adding to the gutter press whine of ‘United no good without Ronaldo’. Etc etc.blah!
Lets get real. United are one of the ‘dream teams’ in the game. Throughout United’s history even people who don’t follow football could name a United star (with a few blips).
The standards we have to live up to are a self imposed perfection, but also what the world expects from the greatest club on earth.
Ronaldo had the glamour that United needed (although I was not his biggest fan). Cantona had everything, a great player and a headline grabbing god. Best was a marvel whose image spread out into popular culture. And what can you say about Sir Bobby, everyone knows him, and likes him.
I can almost feel the football purist cringing, but if we are to fight off the money-bags in the game we need at least one big signing, even if it is partly for image purposes. Alternatively someone really needs to step up and be counted,
Increasingly money is getting in the way of the football but we cannot bury our heads, this is the real world where sponsorship comes from an associated image.
Now I wait for the flak!
We is more broke than Alf Inge Haaland and it is all America’s fault.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2801058/Time-for-Glazers-to-back-Fergie.html
makes sense. Finally a decent article after a few days
Fred
DId SAF really say that?. He isnt too positive, is he? .that is very unlike him .He also admitted we are relying too much on Rooney and that will continue. Never seen him say anything like that before
King Eric
Hi. Good morning
Havent seen much of cleverley so cant say much. Infact i have just seen the Valencia game.you must be watching him more regularly. I know he is doing well for Watford,but do you think he will be able to adapt that quicky at United? although unless we sign a few midfielders in the summer he wont have that much competition. Do you think he can replace Scholes? sice ando so far hasnt been able to do that
ill be fair about Obertan and i feel we should not have signed him. He wasnt living up to his talent at Bordeaux and even Blanc was surprised that we made a move for him because his development hadnt gone a splanned in the last few years. He was loaned out from Bordeaux for the last 6 months he was there.I may be wrong and i hope i am but that is just my opinion.
aig – Morning. I am not gonna pass judgement on Obertan just yet save to say he needs to put more effort in defensively. He seems to bottle every tackle. Yes I think Cleverley can make the step up next season possibly on the left side. The Championship is a very tough league and he has been a shining star to some extent.
What is all this about Viera saying he is coming for us? You couldn’t live with Keano you soft cunt.
Also this is interesting from Anderson. Wonder if he has had a rocket from Fergie?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2801018/Im-not-fit-to-wear-Utd-shirt.html
re Obertan. One of the issues at Bordeaux was the injury which United say they have sorted.
Brisbane Red @ 4.09 I meant the world in general is in a financial crisis, but the club itself surely is not in the healthiest state financially as well, and we can put it all at the doorstep of the Glazers all we want be the fact is, the majority of the debt is secured against the club, just pointing that out.
sorry, meant “but the fact is…”
King Eric
Hope Obertan does well, i dont feel he has what it takes to do well at United. Again, hope he proves me wrong
Thanks for the update on Cleverley. Maybe we can expect a bit from him next season and hopefull he will break through and be a regular quickly.Heard he hasnt been offered a new deal and his deal is due to expire in the summer,any news on that?
Red Until Dead, are you for real?
Do you have any understanding of the huge pile of steaming dog doo that we have been left standing in because of the greedy Glazer bastards?
You talk about people being fooled by sensationalism, and how we shouldn’t believe what we read…i’ve got a suggestion for you, stop burying your head in the sand, try and get your brain, if you’ve been on eBay yet and secured yourself one, around the facts and stop choosing to ignore the warning signs.
The best we can hope for is a change of ownership, someone who can wipe the debts away, other wise with these cash cow milking twats in charge we’ll be lucky to still be playing at all in a few years.
Funny how Fergie says there is no value in the market, what I would like to know is does he think that the current Utd players are giving the club,him and the fans value for money.
Because judging from the performances of most of them throughout the season only Rooney,Evra and Giggs can be happy with their form.
Its painfully obvious that this season has been all huff n puff football and LACK of spark!
Now its great that Hargreaves is nearer full fitness and that will make a difference but is he the (CREATIVE)spark that is missing?…NO!
The fact that Valencia have got Villa and Silva and Mata and are in a terrible state why dont Fergie go in with a bid?…again no value?…not at Utd!