“Dear Supporter,
“The great support you gave the team here [at Anfield] last season has seen our allocation back up to near-full levels. I want you to continue that progress today.
“But today [Sunday] is about much more than not blocking gangways. Today is about thinking hard about what makes United the best club in the world.
“Our rivalry with Liverpool is based on a determination to come out on top – a wish to see us crowned the best against a team that held that honour for so long.
“It cannot and should never be based on personal hatred. Just ten days ago, we heard the terrible, damning truth about the deaths of 96 fans who went to watch their team try and reach the FA Cup final and never came back. What happened to them should wake the conscience of everyone connected with the game.
“Our great club stands with our great neighbours Liverpool today to remember that loss and pay tribute to their campaign for justice. I know I can count on you to stand with us in the best traditions of the best fans in the game.
“Yours sincerely, Sir Alex Ferguson.”
Writing a letter to the fans ahead of another trip to Anfield makes sense, particularly in light of the fuss over our “it’s never your fault” chant, but you’ve got to wonder why he would even suggest we stopped hating Liverpool. We can be a part of the human race and not disrespect the deaths of 96 innocent people, but expecting us to stop hating Liverpool fans? Yeh. Ok.
Man Utd News 24/7
There should be a difference between “hate” and a sporting rivalry, no matter how heartfelt. Even if we can’t get there, at least lets behave like decent and proud United fans.
My hate for that lot will subside at bit when they stop singing about Munich, the hypocrites.
Yeah strange request from the boss about not hating Liverpool. I for one am anti Liverpool which is not to be confused with being anti hillsbourgh. Come to think of it I’m anti Man City anti Swansea and anti any other club who arnt Man Utd.
I think the majority of United and Liverpool fans want a strong rivalry based on banter. Hatred should be taken out of the equation. I do not think Sir Matt would be proud of chants such as always the victim. Unfortunately, not all men can be great and some people will just never choose to behave in a mature fashion or see the bigger picture.
You know, if you invest your time in hating liverpool then you’ve as much got an issue as the people you despise. Get a life.
They h8 everything about us. Why all of a sudden should we have 2 show them respect?? I do believe the minutes silence should pass off and r.i.p to the 96 that died that fateful day. But asoon as the match kicks off. Its back to normal asfar as im concerned. Hope we put 5 past the cunts!
Both sets of fans have idiots who will sing these disgusting songs, no matter what the clubs say. Do I hate Man Utd? Damn right I do. Would I sing Munich songs? Never. Can I have banter with a whole load of my mates who are Utd fans, damn right. Great letter by the club, but I doubt it will have any effect if the rest of Utd fans don’t stand up to the idiots, just like we need to with ours.
when they stop chanting about munich i will stop calling them fucking racist cunts(or will i???)…ive never brought up Hillsborough…but i like how the “victims” always forget Heysel….fucking racist cunts
dont know why we are always obsessed with other teams and their fans be it liverpool,city or leeds.If you want to support your team then sing a song about our team and sing it loud enough to drown out their songs.Thats how a proper fan should support their team.anything else is moronic and eventually reflects badly on the club.Could all the haters please stay at home and let true supporters,support their team
@ Belfast red
as one Belfast red to another I couldn’t agree more. The minutes silenceshould and will be respected but if those cunts start to abuse evra every time he touches the ball then all
bets are off as far as I’m concerned. No fucking way should we NOT back evra in
song just because those cunts might get upset about the “victims” chant.
It doesn’t say much for football fans when the manager has to write a public letter to them to observe just 1 single minutes silence and not to chant songs about a disaster, embarrassing to be honest. I’ve never understood grown men who can’t stand still for one single minute. I’m sure it will be fine come Sunday anyway and we can get down to important business which is the actual 3 points which are up for grabs. We owe them one at Anfield after the last 4 years.
This blog, and Scott’s posts recently, which insist at every opportunity on defending that stupid chant against Wigan, and then take pleasure from that equally idiotic “we sing what we want” chant, have become a little to rabid for me…you’re sounding like someone needs to sing the “always the victim…” to you…people like you start wars, for heaven’s sake! Anyways, to each his own, I’m out of this blog…none of this fits in with my idea of what it is to support United, and I haven’t been prouder of SAF than in these past few days..so I’m out of here…lots of reasonable people here, and it was great chatting with you over the years!
This tit for that scorin points over the “enemy” by singin about the dead is pathetic,grow up you pricks.
@united till i die. My thoughts exactly. Its asif all the abuse they give us is ok but wen we retaliate we are the 1s out of order? FUCK that. Evra is our player and needs every 1 at that match behind him. I believe they will get the 1 minutes silence, but after that fuck them! Nothings changed. They still hate everything united are. 19 times and thats a fact!
If it wasn’t for their Liverpool/City obsession some of our fans would not know what to do with themselves. It’s embarrassing.
Belfast red, “they did it first” boo hoo ya big fairy,it makes you as bad as them,you can support utd without being a cunt cant you??
Brett1985
I’ll tell what would be embarrassing those cunts abusing evra and our fans just doing nothing. We don’t need to sing those songs about “killing your own fans” but for us not to back our own player would be shameful in my opinion. Of course this could be avoided if they don’t abuse evra then there would be no need for us to go the “victim” route but that’s never going to happen.
Whos sayin dont stick up for evra? there are other chants than the “always the victim” one
Had Hillsborough not happened these cnuts would still be singing about Munich at every game.
United til I die
Article is about hatred. Don’t need to hate anyone to stick up for Evra.
Keanoisdaman. I think you are missing the point. I for one dont sing songs about the dead! But i will sing a song about a rival team when they for years have taunted us! In there eyes they are innocent for everything they have ever done. Squarez is a fucking hero on Merseyside. So its guaranteed evra will get booed.. for what?? For not excepting blatant racism. Naw fuck that.
Alpha, so fuckin what? thats cos theyre cunts, utd fans dont have to be,grow up
Well you can hardly expect him to say “Yes i hate them too, they’re scouse cunts”. He’s being diplomatic. His reactions over the years have shown pretty much nothing but disdain for the Scouse.
Belfastred, fuck suarez hes a goofy racist twat,and he deserves all the shit he gets,but it wouldnt hurt not to sing certain songs on sunday would it?? especially when the rest of the world are being fed bulshit that the songs are about hilsborough
Hello Cultured Manchester
I am from Liverpool and I have spent a great portion of my life visiting Manchester for music events and nights out, and also to buy cloths for the best part of the last 20 years. I have also worked in Manchester and thoroughly enjoyed it but, football rivalry between Liverpool and Manchester has created some disturbing feelings which are in-humane. But I would stress, that this is only between a minority.
Football is an emotional game, it can take you up and bring you so down its un-real. In some respects it is a false form of happiness, is it really that important? You beat us, we beat you, until when?
I am a Liverpool fan and have always been disgusted with people who sing Munich, because I have standards and know when saying something is at the bottom of the ladder. What makes someone a classy person are not their material possessions or wealth, it is the way they conduct themselves and their attitudes toward other people.
And the majority of football fans are pretty decent folk, it’s just football, stirs up that negative emotion that humans can develop called jealousy. But the feeling of being a loser and seeing someone else do well should not provoke someone to hatred! This is mindless, and a question of class and character…
I hope we have a good game, very competitive, and even an emotional roller coaster, but if anyone does act in a negative way then they are letting the rest of the fans and their club down!
This blog seems content to take a jab at Fergie at every opportunity. Sick of that.
Good letter — hope it’s read and respected.
The mutual dislike of each other epitimises every thing about this fixture I like the intensity let the blood and snot flow.
Kenoisdaman yeah if i was at that match i wouldnt be singing the victims song. But every thing else should be ok. Like i said b4 show respect for the 96 and then its back to normal asfar as im concerned.
Brett1985
You weren’t even born when there hatred of us was at its height , so u don’t know what it was like . So I’ll respect the minute silence as all reds will , but there still murderrin twats
The biggest insult would be indifference to their incitement – if any-. Focus on united , lift the lads with only focussing on what matters ….. United. That, I’m sure is what the team want.
Wait a second, Utd fans are being vilified here, correct me if i’m wrong here, but isn’t it Liverpool fans who’ve had severe behavioural problems in the games between the two teams?
Wasn’t it a Liverpool fans who was arrested and charged for making monkey gestures at Evra and then played the “always the victim never his fault” card by protesting with some cock and bull story?
Wasn’t it the Liverpool fans (clearly more than a minority) who trashed Old Trafford toilets after the FA cup 3rd round tie – something that conveniently never was publicised for the disgusting vandalising and criminal damage – for which an apology from the club was never received – always the victim never their fault.
Vandalism which contain the words “Munich 58″ scribbled in several places.
Wasn’t it Liverpool fans who were caught making aeroplane gestures on tv during a recent game with us?
YET IT’S UTD FANS WHO HAVE THE BEHAVIOURAL PROBLEMS.
Just goes to prove Scott’s point – always the victim never your fault truly isn’t about Hillsborough.
It’s nice to see the media behave like the cunts that they are in reporting this.
When i first heard the story break about Hillsborough chanting it made me sick in my stomach our fans could sing something so vile – the way it was reported was as if we were rubbing it in to the scousers. Then i learned of the chant, and as Scott said, they never bothered to actually look into the truth, just lazy journalism. Having said that the club releasing a statement did kinda add fuel to the fire.
belfastred,agreed mate,the scousers have showed over the years they are the lowest of the low,lets not join them down there
Reddevil61: I think you are full of shit.
Here are some quotes from both sides that might help explain far better than I could.
manutdzone
For Manchester United fans there is no more hated team than Liverpool Football Club AKA “The Scousers”, “Mickey Mousers” or as some might say “The Bin-dippers” or alternatively, “The Grannystabbers”. The team that dominated the late 70′s and 80′s before the success disappeared up their arses in the 90′s has a long history of rivalry with Manchester United however the cities of Manchester and Liverpool were rivals many lifetimes before a ball was even kicked.
While Scousers are often renowned for having a fabulously funny native wit and charm, Mancunians would strongly disagree (as would 39 Juventus fans for that matter). Despite being just 30 miles apart they have always had totally different cultures and attitudes. Liverpool was once a proud and wealthy port city built on shipping, the slave trade and seamen.
Manchester was by contrast an industrial mecca of magnificent mills and factories producing the goods that fuelled the British Empire. The rivalry became tense with the building of the Manchester Ship Canal in 1894 – a cunning attempt to outdo the Liverpool docklands by bypassing them altogether!!!
As Liverpool’s shipping industry collapsed in the mid 20th Century, the city became a slum-ridden, crime-infested, dole-skiving, festering boil on the arse of Britain. Meanwhile hard-working Manchester continued to thrive. It became the hub of the Northwest and today challenges Birmingham for the title of being Britain’s second city, after London obviously.
Bitter jealousy grew from the devastated Scouse hoardes but in their darkest hour a Scotsman called Shankly planted the seed than would spurt forth a most foul bush. The rest was history and soon it was the turn of Mancunians to cast jealous eyes Westwards as United floundered for decades. Until another Scot called Ferguson knocked them off their perch….and so the cycle of hatred never ends!!!
In the 1990′s United really rubbed the Scousers noses in it by winning relentlessly while “Pool” (as nobody calls them), sunk into mediocrity. United became the biggest club in the world, Liverpool could barely claim to be in the top 10. Scousers resorted to endlessly whining about past glories and denied any United’s achievements because they “did not match what Liverpool done in the 80′s”.
Their own laughable “Treble” in 2001 was hyped up to the point of claiming the additional Charity shield and Euro Super Cup amounted to an unprecedented five trophy haul!!!! They did of course stun the planet with that baffling Champions League win in 2005 to the utter disbelief of world football and themselves. But even with that success they still come nowhere near challenging Manchester United to be the biggest club in Britain.
The bitterness is based upon denial and jealousy, of course for while Liverpool had all that success in the past who was still the biggest club in England? Despite languishing in the old 2nd division for a season and only winning 3 trophies between 1968 and 1990, who was the most supported, most famous the world over? Manchester United!!! And why is this? Why did Liverpool not take over from United as English football’s top club despite cleaning up home and abroad for nearly two decades?
The answer is, that when you get right down to it, football is all about entertainment. Winning isn’t everything and quality counts more than quantity. Liverpool were/still are, a dull and often cynical team to watch, whereas United have always tried to play exciting, attacking football. It doesn’t always work or bring trophies but when it works………well we all know what its like to see Manchester United in full flow don’t we?
Liverpool have never had the flying wingers of United like Best, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Coppell, Hill and Ronaldo. They have never had one player that could ever be described as a genius like Best or Cantona, or a Wayne Rooney. Players that capture the imagination of supporters the world over. The name “Manchester United” conjures up images of exciting, stylish, magical football, outrageous comebacks, drama and controversy.
The name “Liverpool” makes you think of crushingly dull success in the 70/80′s and their passing game but there’s not a lot of really inspiring stuff. Look at the disgracefully negative attitude they had throughout the UEFA Cup in 2001 and Champions League in 2005. They won it, but without style or flair that will be remembered in 20 years time. In short they bored the crap out of everybody and played to the lowest common denominator, they dragged better teams down to their level.
In 1990 Liverpool were League champions and the 90′s looked like another great decade for them, yet within 3 years United were champions and the rest is history. Success must never be taken for granted and Fergie won’t be around much longer to ensure the pre-eminence of the Old Trafford empire. Football can be a cruel, vicious monkey, it can throw its best friend out of the tree while handing free banana’s to its deadly rival. However, United’s wealth and world power is such that while Liverpool might win a trophy every so often, the dark days of total Liverpool domination are gone for good…..aren’t they?
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?wsc=eb&u=http://www.unitedsredarmy.com/therivalry.htm&ei=bMdcUP51xrfVBqO5gJAK&ct=pg1&whp=30
For it to stop now, its no use for me
I hate them scousers and I enjoy it
Them bin dippers are sinking
Keaneoisdaman like ak47 has just said its asif we are being Fucking vilified as if we have done something wrong by the abu media! That boils my fucking blood.
I am 60 , I’ve been a United fan since my dad took me to OT when I was 7. My dad and his brothers and sisters worked in the cotton mills all their lives, and were United fanatics. But in those days there was none of this hate. My dad instilled respect in me for others.
I grew up as a United fanatic. I have lived overseas for 35 years, but hardly ever missed a United game. United are one of the most important cornerstones of my whole being. But during all that time I have appreciated other football teams and players. Who could not watch Liverpool in the 70′s and 80′s and not enjoy their football, and appreciate the likes of Steve Heighway, Toshack and Keegan?
I love to watch United. Every season I have the same hope. Every day I read everything I can about United, come on ROM every day, and read what you guys post, rarely post myself, just love to be part of United and read what you guys think.
Maybe I am too old, and you youngsters think differently, but it really saddens me when I see posts like this:
from DonLeoNeo- “when they stop chanting about munich i will stop calling them fucking racist cunts”,
and from Belfast Red – . ” I believe they will get the 1 minutes silence, but after that fuck them!”
Don’t you have any humanity? 96 people died, and you put up posts like this? I put myself in the shoes of the Liverpool families who lost loved ones,and I think how I would feel. Why are some of you not able to do that? Things like Hillsborough transcend football. Football means nothing in comparison.
On Sunday show some respect, who cares which team anyone supports, it doesn’t matter.
Bret1985
I can hate Liverpool fc (or any other club)and everything about them and I can be anti Liverpool like the press likes to call it without singing about Hillsbourough or killing your
own fans.
All if a sudden if you hate Liverpool your some horrible person, FUCK THAT!!!
Proverb @ 21:12. Quality! Hats off to you. That put such a smile on my face.
Brett1985
Your full off shit ,u know fuck all . When u go the next game (if) try a different sandwich than prawn
@ak47 totally agree.
As many people have said it is up to Liverpool fans to also respect us and cut out there twisted chants also!! Looking ahead to the game I hope it isnt completely overshadowed by the hillsborough issue and we get a great game of football!! At the end of the day that is what the majority of fans will be looking for not what goes on in the stands!! dont usually comment but the media are driving me nuts with all there shit talk!! Has rodgers sent out a letter to the scouse fans??
United Til I Die:
It’s not healthy to hate. I’m not saying the fact of me respecting you is neither here nor there to you. I doubt you care. However, I think that we’ve got plenty of chants that poke fun at the scousers without having to resort to any references to tragedies in any way.
Where I disagree in particular with a lot of people on here is their belief that it is permissible to use tragedies such as Heysel to points score. It is a manifestation of hatred for Liverpool and is not based on a genuine concern for the dead.
I also have a view about this club based on the greatness of people like Sir Matt Busby, Bobby Charlton and Sir Alex Ferguson that we should draw the line between intense rivalry and hatred. How many people here think Sir Bobby Charton shouts Murderers from the stand. Model your behaviour and attitudes on these men and our club will be great.
Well said DohaRed, Mohesh and others. To those who think you can justify sick chants because they did it first or because we’re in the right and they’re wrong, please see you’re missing the point.
You should show your support and love for United by not responding to any provocation, rise above it, support your team and ignore the rest.
Reddevil61 says:
Brett1985
Your full off shit ,u know fuck all . When u go the next game (if) try a different sandwich than prawn
If only I was a scouser you might have some better insults for me. I’m still scratching my head about what the scousers did to you back in the day to make you hate them so much.
Ass rape?
brett your wastin your time,some of these fuckers are too thick to be any different.
Dohared
first of all respect to you for being a life long fan.
In fairness to everyone here nobody is saying not to respect the 93 dead or the minutes silence it’s just what’s going to happen once the match kicks off. I have absoutley no doubt every single utd fan at anfield will pay proper respect to the dead. I just don’t think we should let Liverpool fans or the press dictate which songs we should or shouldn’t sing.
Dohared. I too am a life long united fan. But you are missing the point. Of course i respect the dead and by saying other wise you are insulting any1 on here that says they dont respect l.f.c. Its not about what happend at hillsborough its about the fact we are being vilified by the media to the point we cant say anything about a team that has no respect for us.i for one would never mock the dead. But i still have the right to say i dont like l.f.c. dont i? Our fans and team will do us proud. They always do.
I’m not sure if anyone heard about what the cunt Rodney Marsh said on twitter the other day? He was taking the moral high ground….yes you heard me right… Rodney Marsh was attempting to take the moral high ground about the united fans “chanting about hillsborough”. Yes, this is the very same Rodney who made a joke about the tsunami and Toon Army….
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/rodney-marsh-disgracefully-winds-up-manchester-united-fans-and-th
Brett1995
Insults look back I think you’ll find it was u . As for ass rape c your m8 kenoisdaman
All said…
Fergie issued å letter to united fan to behave respectively, AGREED!
Can someone tell me rogers or liverpool fc do such thing to warn their fan?
i may be 100% sure! But, i know if something ridiculous happen, liverpool and their fans will probably be the one who will start it which am sure united fans will respond.
And at the End of the scenerior, the journos will blame united fans.
Hopefully, it won’t come to that! But if it does~it has always been..,
We are in å world there people will tell you to go hell in such å way that you look forward to the Trip.
We’re UNITED
off topic.
For those saying and asking why chicharito took the penalty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sz35MTDyTI <— take a look at this panenka and cthen cry me a river
Keaneoisdaman your words are abit harsh to be used against fellow united supporters. No need pal every one is entitled to there opinion.
Liverpool are using this opportunity to run a campaign criticizing us for hating them. last time i checked, Liverpool fans STILL hate us despite the fact that munich happened. bottomline is. I hate liverpool but I respect those who died at Hillsborough and their families and loved ones. BUT my hate for liverpool and their fans will not change. Simple.
Worth a read
http://www.google.com/gwt/x?hl=en&u=http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/andy-dunn-column-why-we-must-silence-1325756&q=best+hatred+quotes+about+liverpool+fc+from+man+utd+fans&sa=X&ei=G8dcUNOZFo-U0QXy5oDoCw&ved=0CCcQFjAE
@keanoisdaman
Wow…! Where does it say anywhere in my post that United fans should be cnuts? And from that you get grow up..?! Er righto.
You’re a proper chap aren’t you.
@keanoisdaman
Some of these fuckers you are referring to are fellow United fans. This is a blog where believe it or not their are differing opinions.
Some posters are that obsessed with a media ‘agenda’ to ‘vilify’ Utd fans that they haven’t even acknowledged this originates from Sir Alex Ferguson’s letter. Always the victim never your fault? One day they will screenprint this page and and frame it under the word ‘Irony’ to explain the concept to children.
To those listening to their manager and showing good intentions, I salute you.
To the 3000 or so United fans lucky enough to have a ticket for Sunday’s game – respect the minute’s silence because we’re a bigger club than them. Then sing your hearts out for the lads.
Just before the end, give a rousing rendition of “You’ll Never WANK Alone”.
Breakfastpercy .Im sure the scousers Will show us the upmost respect like they always have!!. I know our fans wont let us down. Still doesn’t stop me from disliking l.f.c.
Football brings out the raw emotions,it’s all about pride,passion and territory,just can’t turn that off.This is just getting stupid,everything that makes Football so great is slowly getting sucked out of the game,i love Utd hate just about everyone else.
That’s what makes me a fan, may as well just turn it into a TV sport and may the richest club win.Stadium full of nameless faces with free tickets from some company who gives them away as perks.Politely clapping while texting on their iphones.Not caring who wins or loses or really understanding what’s going on,The game being played by rent boys who have no association to the shirt apart from a paycheck
If that’s were football is headed keep it
Can’t speak on personal hatred since I don’t leave in that area, but in football terms, United and Liverpool fans hate each other. Doesn’t mean they wish harm on each other. But take the banter out of football and you are turning it more dickless than it has already become. I don’t hate the scousers, but after pulling crap like shaking Alan Smith’s ambulance or holding up “Neville or Chelsea” banners, I won’t warm up to them either. Fuck them.
That being said, mocking events like Hillsborough and Munich is retarded. I’ll be extremely disappointed if any United fan stoops that low on Sunday.
@United till I die
Spot on with your comments.
For the time being, dont think of “we” as Man United, think of “we” as humanity. We are all people, we all suffer the same emotion. I hope we can draw the line between tribalistic football rivallry and human hatred, because it is fine at that.
OK, for what it’s worth:
* I haven’t forgotten Heysel, and looked at some UTube footage earlier just to remind myself – still shocking;
* I hate LFC, and always will;
* BUT I agree with SAF, Nemandja and the rest that we need to understand Hillsborough. It was different from Heysel – LFC fans were indirectly responsible for 39 deaths. As an earlier poster said, if we can’t even observe a minute’s silence, what are we like?
* TBH I just want this fucking fixture out of the way, don’t even care that much about the result. Weird how United are often in the middle of a highly charged atmosphere, even when we’re not involved directly.
*
Well said Dohard. There’s no place for hatred in sport (or in life), it just diminishes us all. Rivalry, passion, intensity and competitiveness are what make football the great game it is but it’s just wrong when it tips over into the dehumanising of opponents. I too go way back, having supported United since Munich, when I was 11, and I watch with despaire at some of the things people post here. Please everybody, think what the families of those who died at Hillsborough must be thinking and feeling right now after struggling for 23 years for the truth to come out about how and why their loved ones died, including the 41 who had a lingering death which might have been avoided. Now is simply not the time to dwell on all the perceived grievances of recent years, let everyone take the lead from Fergie and act with humanity and dignity on Sunday. Remember, Matt Busby played for several years for Liverpool, for whom he retained respect and affection for the rest of his life. Let us get back toi supporting United with passion, but not with rancour and obnoxiousness. I want to be proud of United, not ashamed of my fellow fans.
I am not going to get drawn in to this mawkish and ghoulish obsession that Scousers have with Hillsborough and unsurprisingly they do not have such a determination for Justice for those Victims of Heysel.
As far as I am concerned many good people die day in day out in accidents and tradgedies around the world – To be honest I feel no more empathy for those that died at Hillsborough than those that died in Rwanda or those that died in the Japanese Tsunami for that matter – I am not heartless, I just did not know any of them personally and therefore cannot cling on to a notion of collective grief. For me it as peculiar an obsession as those who still blub about Lady Di being dead.
I am a United fan who recognises the club`s sentiment towards the Munich tradgedy but if I am perfectly honest it seems a bit “overdone” as well – One of many air tragedies over the years but I feel no more need to regularly grieve over it or more personally associated to the Munich Disaster than I do to the Manchester Airport disaster in 1985 where 54 pour souls perished and many more were horrifically burned.
I personally think Sir Alex should focus on what goes on on the field of play and give less thought to telling the fans how to behave. Football is escapism and chanting on the terraces is mostly tongue-in-cheek and cathartic bonding. Sir Alex`s views on this smacks of a delusion of omnipotence.
Perhaps he will call a massive swathe of supporters “not real fans” again if they dont Kow Tow to “his” version of truth.
Maybe he would like to opine on other chants from the Stretford End ? “Oh Malcolm Glazers gonna die ” for example. What does he think of that ? What about “In my Liverpool slum” ? or “You scouse Bastard” is my own personal demand for Justice for Heysel OK to sing when the self-pitying scouse grief junkies come to OT ?
To be clear, this is another instance of SAF being completely out of touch with the REAL fans. We dont need him to tell us what we can or cannot say. We dont need censoring or being handed an approved songs sheet as we go through the turnstiles either.
Personally, I have yet to meet a Liverpool fan I didnt find insufferable and like Gary Neville said to his Father ” But Dad I do, I really do hate scousers”
If I wanted a humanitarian bondinf reconciliation on a Saturday afternoon I would go to the United Nations not Manchester United.
Fergie – get the midfield sorted and make it clear before a Champions League opener who is the penalty taker and I will focus on what I chose to sing.
There’s always fans who can stand above the Frey and look down on things from a detached level a intellectual level,it’s unlikely these fans where brought up in a working class family or had working class jobs,i’m not condoning chanting songs about tragedy but also don’t understand how anyone can be passionate and emotional detached at the same time.Like i said different backgrounds
RIP to the Hillsborough victims.Thrash them 5 nil.
Sir alex has a point. He knows all the eyes will be on our fan. Even if any one stupid united fan decides to mock the hillsborough incident we all united fans will be termed murderers. I hope our travelling fansd behave properly. We cann boo suarez or any other liverpool player thats ok but don’t chant or sing something silly. We are better than them and we need to act accordingly.
I think our team’s focus should be on the game than this. I hope our player concentrate on winning the game than getting involved in something silly like this. At the end of the day it is the result which will matter. They have not won a game yet so I hope we don’t let them win.
For any of u armchair fan who blame the matchgoers United fan, i tell u this:
JUST REMEMBER THOSE SCOUSE CUNTS BEHAVIOUR DURING A MINUTE SILENCE OF GEORGE BEST’S FUNERAL IN 2005.
@Brett:
i read your post many times, are u a closet vermin??
I don’t understand why some are insisting on singing chants that can be misunderstood (specially in current circumstances) to about a tragedy. I am not asking to give up hating Liverpool but please don’t make it personal.
Make the banter as fun as possible without referring to a tragedy (any tragedy for that matter). Surely we can ditch a few chants just to show respect to the real victims of this and other tragedies.
If they sing something vile, let them do that. Others will know what they really are. But for us it’s the best chance to show the world that we are the great supporters of this great club. its time we show our true colors.
TheCANTONA
So your argument is, they did first, why cant we?
Very mature.
Sorry SAF i cant stop hating them!
Liver-who?
Are they that team that used to be alright but aren’t any more?
@bharath
That’s the spirit!
Lads behave themselves , maybe full allocation next season . Good reason not to act. In an inappropriate manner. Come on united
Keanoisdaman says:
brett your wastin your time,some of these fuckers are too thick to be any different.
too thick…you fucking prick ….at least we have thoughts of our own you lily livered chicken shit ….
wankers like you make me puke to my stomach…. I fucking despise Liverpool and everything they stand for……They DID cause all the tragedies …no matter what …and i felt at the time that they should have been dropped down to the Conference for their transgressions…. but the bastard FA didn’t have the bollocks to do it at the time…they do it now of course if your club goes into administration ….but for causing trouble at two separate incidents and being the cause of numerous deaths from their own thuggishness and getting all other English clubs banned from Europe…… the get fuck all done to them….bastards need reminding on a weekly basis what a shower of cunts they are.
dela …grow up son…..
Tony bee – I guess your not a beatles fan
Morning ROM
Out of interest
Tom Cleverley On Twitter
“i have converted. in comes the iPhone out goes the bb”
I can’t stand the pool and I know the feeling goes both ways but there are more important things in life and things should be put into perspectives. Not saying we should be “long time” friends with the pool but respect should be given, wisdom should come to the fore, unacceptable chants regarding such a situation is completely pointless, you don’t get any advantage doing it. Hopefully, we’ll be talking about positives things regarding the match from a united point of view on the pitch.
I worry about this match, I really do. Pool will play like it’s their do all or nothing match, united just can’t afford not to match their intensity. In the past few seasons, united have struggled to do so. Really difficult game awaits, form will be rendered useless In this one, need to keep our heads and not get influenced by ocassions. most things have to go united way, we need a titanic performance but i’ll take a scrappy 3points.
Looking forward to super sunday
I’ve a feeling this time around the guys will put in a masterclass performance and win it for us
[Let's fuck hem bin dippers]
unitedtilIdie
All I’m saying in this discussion is that I’m not bothered enough about what the scousers say or do to hate them. You choose to hate and get roped based on experiences you have had ‘back in the day’ and based on your ‘working class background’. Fine. But, I’d say my approach lends them less credibility whereby I largely ignore them.
53 years old today. Proud and privileged to be a lifelong Red. TBH more interested in tomorrow’s game! Ran the gaunlet many times to l’pool in my younger days. Here’s hoping United thrash them on the pitch and the Red Army do us all proud! GGMU
Happy Birthday
I took my 10 year old daughter to her first United game last weekend, against Wigan. I have held 2 season tickets in the Stretford End for the best part of 20 years. Her sense of excitement at seeing her heroes was tempered within 10 minutes when around 5 drunken inbreds on the row behind us kept trying to start chants about Heysel, “96 not being enough” and random, almost tourettes like cries of “murderers” from start to finish, causing my daughter to visibly flinch every time. Pretty f******d up stuff, any reasonable person would agree. The same guys were chanting YSB to Rooney, as he was being stretchered off a couple of weeks earlier, so clearly they have ‘issues’.
The hatred in these supporters[?] eyes was intense and the noise was loud enough for the steward who was just a few yards away to take some action – but I think he was too scared to act.
Later in the match, 2 of greater Manchester’s finest came to take a look and only then did the cowards pipe down.
That experience left a bad taste and was not the intro to Old Trafford that I wanted for my little girl. So Monday morning, I’m on the phone to the ticket office and I have moved the seats to the South Stand, just a few yards from the home dug out. I’m £500 lighter for this, but at least we can look forward to enjoying the games again.
To be fair, the majority of lads and lasses in the Stretford End are brilliant and they generate the most noise and best humour in the stadium (I only really appreciated this when sat in South on Wednesday night), but sadly it is also home to some truly nasty bastards who can ruin a match for everyone around them.
I hope that the occasion tomorrow doesn’t stop a great game from following (3-2 United, I reckon, with an RvP winner) and I hope our away support doesn’t let the club down and bring further embarrassment.
Paul H that is a great read
The worst experience your kid endured on her first day its something to lament
Some fans are utterly thick to not even see the bigger picture
The notion of they started it, so its ok for people to do it for them is childish. I am sure we have plenty of other chants we can sing, about our own players, instead of giving them the reaction & attention they want, which is why they provoke us in the first place
Will never like the bastards never have never will but I hope respect is shown and 3 point is added. MUFC OK
I’ve never sung a hillsborough done in my life, I’ve seen disturbing pictures of that day, & seen the affected families on tv, which to any person of normal mentality would obviously feel for them.
However, you would feel for them in the same way you would families of 9/11, of people killed in a multiple car pile up on the motorway, of any person who has suffered an untimely, unnecessary death.
However, i also ENJOY singing always the victim, & that gas absolutely fuck all to with Hillsborough, & everything to do with the typical scouse psyche, “it wasn’t me lah…”, & to be frank, i don’t see any reason to accept anybody telling me that i am aiming it at Hillsborough.
All the talk of ending the hate, well this is probably from people who certainly didnt attend football in the 80 & found the real reason that Stanley Park got its name.
Be the bigger person, just because they do this, doesn’t mean that we Shud……
No we shouldn’t respondcwith hillsborough songs no, but why should we end the clear hate that they deserve.
Let thousands, & the videos are out there for all to see in public arenas such as YouTube, sing their Munich songs, & very recently as well, never mind the scouse myth it stopped after Hillsborough, & tell me there’s no reason why i should feel hate for them.
Why are the scousers trying to claim Murderers is as bad as Munich songs?!
Its not laughing at the dead, its normally pointing out with anger, rather humour, what they were accountable for, yet seem to have a problem accepting.
Ask the Italians families if they would think you were mocking their dead. As i say, how the fuck is that the some as a Munich song(s).
Back to my opening line though, this doesn’t class me as somebody who sings about Hillsborough.
I am sure Liverpool fans are having similar discussions between them about cutting out the Munich chants. Like fuck they are.
Proverb, absolutely. You want passion, pride and great inter-club rivalry in the stadium, or you might as well just watch it on the telly.
But there is a line not to be crossed. Its a great big thick line that anyone with a brain can understand. With all the media coverage and the gaffer’s open letter, there can be no ambiguity. United has a CCTV system that records all crowd sections, throughout the game. Time for some lifetime bans to be dished out if this sickness doesnt stop.
Let’s start with the next home game with the mindless (comparatively) few that will sadly inevitably hiss at the Spurs away supporters. Because in case you didnt already know, the holocaust is apparently hilarious.
Let’s see how funny it is when they get banged up and banned for life.
@Costas
Yea, I was thinking about that as well. All the talk is about how our supporters must not sing anything stupid, and even Sir Alex is doing is part.
Has Liverpool even done anything remotely close to telling their fans to stop singing about Munich? I doubt so. Playing the victim card, as always.
But that said, we do our part, don’t respond stupidly, and it will show that we are a class above them
@Marq
That’s what pisses me off. That for all our efforts, if one idiot starts singing about Hillsborough, they will blow the incident out of proportion. Meanwhile, the scousers (or the bitters for that matter) get away with murder in that regard. But that’s a general pattern in how United are dealt with from the press. One dodgy referee decision in our favor gets more coverage than 5 that go against us do..
Anyway, not expecting anything from the club that still defend Suarez to this day. Like you, I hope our fans and our players conduct themselves well and more importantly, I hope we finally win at the shit hole.
Tony bee,your the kind of thick prick im on about,you havnt got the brains to rise above the vile scousers,I cant stand them either,ive been at anfield before hilsborough when the whole of the anfield road was singing the munich song,which made them look the cunts that they are.For any utd fan to sing about hilsborough just to get their own back shows that they are cunts too. Or do you think your a top red cos of your hatred for the scousers?? Grow up.
It is easy to hate Liverpool with managers like Benitez, Dalglish thrown into the mix, plus the smug look of the Liverpool fans at Anus-field singing that silly song that reminds me of group sex. There’s also that rabbit-teeth Suarez who will not apologize. And of course those fans who claim he’s innocent of being racist. Yes, it’s easy.
Tonybee, haha,tellin someone else to grow up….
SEPTEMBER 22, 2012 AT 02:20
utd will never die says:
There’s always fans who can stand above the Frey and look down on things from a detached level a intellectual level,it’s unlikely these fans where brought up in a working class family or had working class jobs,i’m not condoning chanting songs about tragedy but also don’t understand how anyone can be passionate and emotional detached at the same time.Like i said different backgrounds
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You’d be surprised how many bankers and well-to-do types scream abuse from the terraces, side by side with people who can barely afford to be in the ground. You’ve seen ticket prices and the cost of petrol. I wouldn’t even say all working class supporters can afford to watch at home on sky ffs.
What I don’t get is you saying its “unlikely” fans can be rational AND working class? What a load of stereotypical bollocks. Im as working class as it gets in this country, and I know the difference between shit throwing scousers and regular everyday Liverpudlians.
That doesn’t make me rational, or “intellectual” or even “detached” – that makes me fucking human!
@United till I die (nice name btw)
This isn’t a case of LFC or the Press dictating which songs we sing. its a case of being asked to act in the interests of the Club by the greatest manager the Club has ever seen.
All this talk about working class this and that and rivalry and blah blah. I’ll tell you whats working class – HONOUR AND RESPECT – and there would be nothing more honourable than letting this match respectfully pass without incident.
Call me daft or a bleeding heart (ha) or whatever, but after spontaneous Truces during Christmas 1914 you lot want me to believe in some never-ending Scouse / Manc battle?
Im all for fierce rivalry, but apart from teenagers sent into the middle east this generation knows very little about war or death or anything. Thats why today most blokes in this country are soft and narcissistic.
I love my Club with a passion but certain events should show us whats really important in life. If the world was ending on Monday only a sad bastard would still want to chant abuse in an empty stadium on Sunday put it that way.
Our manager didn’t write that letter just to be PC for fuck sake – 96 people being crushed to death and the cover up that followed are two events that transcend any football rivalry, anywhere.
If Suarez is called a racist bastard for 90mins I’d happily support that, this is a football game after all. But besides 3 points the main thing we should see on Sunday is solidarity with the 96 (not 93 as you said).
I think our supporters will do us proud. One day of mutual respect out of 365 can’t be that fucking bad.
New thread up folks!!!
@Costas & Marq on their points.
Its something i keep on gaping on about, but its because its pisses me off so much.
The scousers in their typical snide ways have tried to pretend that the variety of Munich hints ended after Hillsborough.
The truth, their favourite topic ironically, is simply they’ll tried to keep it away from the cameras.
As i have said many times before, the videos available on YouTube, LIVERPOOL WANKERS, clearly shows their near entire away support, increased numbers as well as its a cup game, chanting Munich several times before launching into usual reactions of the runway song.
Then you get scousers ranting on the comments to it that a solitary utd fan calls them hillsborough bastards, while totally ignoring the actions of their own THOUSANDS.
Same day, inside the ground, the liverpool support actually film themselves under the title WHO’S THAT DYING? again, vast majority, doing aeroplanes etc, but again, pre-kick off, before the broadcasting cameras come on.
Plenty of other videos on their as well showingtthem at it.
And as Scott has pointed out on here before, they were all at it at a Sons Of Shankly night, again, filmed by themselves.
So please, this is the exact reason i will ALWAYS hate them, bit as i put in the last post, doesn’t class me ad somebody approving of singing Hillsborough songs.
@Costas & Marq on their points.
Its something i keep on gaping on about, but its because its pisses me off so much.
The scousers in their typical snide ways have tried to pretend that the variety of Munich hints ended after Hillsborough.
The truth, their favourite topic ironically, is simply they’ll tried to keep it away from the cameras.
As i have said many times before, the videos available on YouTube, LIVERPOOL WANKERS, clearly shows their near entire away support, increased numbers as well as its a cup game, chanting Munich several times before launching into usual reactions of the runway song.
Then you get scousers ranting on the comments to it that a solitary utd fan calls them hillsborough bastards, while totally ignoring the actions of their own THOUSANDS.
Same day, inside the ground, the liverpool support actually film themselves under the title WHO’S THAT DYING? again, vast majority, doing aeroplanes etc, but again, pre-kick off, before the broadcasting cameras come on.
Plenty of other videos on their as well showingtthem at it.
And as Scott has pointed out on here before, they were all at it at a Sons Of Shankly night, again, filmed by themselves.
So please, this is the exact reason i will ALWAYS hate them, but as i put in the last post, doesn’t class me as somebody approving of singing Hillsborough songs.
Sir Alex did NOT say “Stop hating Liverpool.”
He said: “Our rivalry with Liverpool … should never be based on personal hatred.”
Hate them passionately if you wish, but know this: “Our rivalry with Liverpool FC is based on a determination to come out on top – a wish to see us crowned the best against a team that held that honour for so long.”
Football. The match is about football. Yes, it’s also about the City of Manchester vs the City of Liverpool, but first and foremost it’s a football match between football rivals. A football rivalry that has thrilled the world for generations. A football rivalry that saw LFC move so far out in front that most people thought we would never knock them off their perch.
Then, along came Alex Ferguson. He knocked them off their fucking perch alright.
Our league games with LFC used to be our ‘Cup Final’ These days, they’re LFC’s ‘Cup Final’
Three points are available, and local bragging rights. Come Monday morning, let’s be crowing.
Come on United!
Just take alook at there forums as I did last night , just a bunch of bindippin twats . It’s all our faults
Keanoisdaman … YOU ARE AN ARSEHOLE….. I read from your post(s) you are attempting to maintain you are older than your post makes you out to be ….
stating such bullshit that you have been to Analfield before Hillsbourough….you lying little cunt….
Well said United TllI I die, especially nailing that old cobblers about working class people.
I have respect for the 96 as i’m sure 99% of the Manchester United fans have but the have respect for Liverpool FC are you joking? I was brought up to believe respect should be earn’t, not given. It’d be nice in an ideal world it all they shite between the clubs went away but be realistic, that isn’t going to happen so some people need to get down off their high horse and stop telling people how they should think.
Unlikely working class can think rationally . Mmmmmmm. thin ice that one
Tonybee,wow you seem dead ard!! probably been goin utd since before you were born,run along and sing your pathetic chants little boy.
When you av had the dirty fucking lot swinging stanly blades about,then try stick up for em……..(al ways the victim never there fault)
Utd till I die.if you think people who were born lucky and were given everything all their lives have the same mentality as someone who’s had to work and fight for everything,that’s your opinin,I disagree.Didn’t even use the word rational,what I said don’t understand how someone can stay emotionally unattached and passionate at the same time,imo working class people have more passion about Football its a sport with working class roots that most play starting as kids
So we’ll disagree but don’t make up an arguement on something I never said
There is a difference between being emotionally vacant and in control of your emotions. Also, I thought elitists gave up on trying to claim they were the working class, salt of the earth, hardcore fans whenever the last folks to claim as much fucked off to support another team.
Tony bee, Tony bee, Tony Tony Tony bee…….new song every time a stap on some bins skull hahaha
@Mahesh – it was a pleasure.
We as supporters of this club should show magnanimity in the wake of this important moment and keep these personal differences aside and stop these chants. Nobody can feel proud of being a die hard supporter by making these chants because deep down we all know that life is bigger than any game or any rivalry. That Fergie had to give this request in writing shows that we’ve let him down and I for one feel that we shouldn’t let the great man down and come what may behave in a way deserving of this great club and its legacy.
Keanoisdaman…that is the point you fucking retard…. I DON’T sing the chants and never have
…. BUT I will defend the right to be able to sing them…..And no scouse sympathizing moron like you will ever stop the chants
In answer to you illiterate post at 13:01….. I have been a RED for over 50 years not 50 minutes like you….
as for being hard ….what on earth is hard about calling you a fuck-wit, a retard.or a fucking moron
Fuck the rat eating cunts ….(Or is it Wayne)…… never used Stanley blades or had them used against me …thank fuck…them things tend to sting …unlike blog posts by idiots
maybe he’s just saying, they’re just the new noisy neighbours now. don’t hate them, pity them.
Tony bee,dont cry fella……