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Ferguson Has To Pick Hargreaves

If there’s any chance whatsoever of Owen Hargreaves ever being able to come back as a professional footballer for Manchester United, Sir Alex Ferguson has to select him in his 25-man squad. Even if we don’t think he’ll be back until January, when a new squad list can be submitted, I think it is imperative he is included in the first 25. The psychological blow from being omitted might be something he would never recover from.

I remember when Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was coming back from his knee injuries and at times it appeared totally hopeless. I’m not comparing the injuries, as clearly Hargreaves is in a much worse condition, but in terms of hopelessness, the situations are comparable.

“The thought of playing – that’s not to mention scoring – in that red jersey again is the best motivation in the world,” said Ole in September 2004 when he had just been ruled out for the season. “I have been there and I will be back. I will score at Old Trafford again. That’s a promise to myself and to the Manchester United fans.”

Even the manager conceded at times that Ole may never play for the first tema again, but not only did he return to the first team, he scored 11 goals for us in his last season, in all 4 competitions.

Some injuries are impossible to come back from and that may well be the case for Hargreaves. If the club decide it is impossible, then we should forget about his inclusion in the 25 man squad, but if there is any chance he’ll play again, he needs to be included. A player can be in the gym or on the treatment table all they want but it won’t get them anywhere if they don’t believe they’re going to play again. If Solskjaer had given up hope, he never would have made it back for us. If Hargreaves doesn’t make the squad, even with the promise of being included in the next one, he will give up hope and that will be the end of him.

When Wednesday comes, we should know one way or another whether Hargreaves has any chance of a United future.

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93 Comments

  1. huzi says:

    Great article. Ive gotta agree. Either it wont really make a difference if Fergie does include him in the squad, because weve only got 24 at the moment. Just seeing his own name in there will be a real confidence booster for him.

    Wish him a speedy recovery. Come back soon! Your team needs you.

  2. wayne says:

    i agree if there is any chance he’s going to play again he has to be included as costas said in another thread if he’s not included are we to assume he’s done does anyone know if he’s still in the states

  3. huzi says:

    *either way*

  4. Costas says:

    Good post and I fully agree with it. And unless we are planning on buying 2 senior players now or in January, Hargo’s inclusion shouldn’t make any difference.

    I have to admit that these last few days have reminded me of late August of 07 when we didn’t hear a lot about Ole’s injury recovery and then all of a sudden he retired. In Hargo’s case, I think we are more prepared for that, but I don’t like that we haven’t heard anything positive since he went to the US.

  5. 619 says:

    I don’t see what the deal with Hargreaves is. Why is there even a question to put him in the team? We don’t have 25 players to fill our over 21 spots. Thus, he should be automatically in the team. Because of these comments, I have wondered if another player was coming in.

    I must wholeheartedly agree that if Hargreaves is not included, especially if the rumours of De Leat going on loan to Watford are true, then it is curtains. How could we exclude a player when he is not even keeping another player out of the team? The same rings true now, how can he not be in the team? We only have 25 over 21 players. Only time will tell.

  6. parryheid says:

    nothing imperative about it whatsoever Scott .Carrington is not a mental facility my view United have more than played fair with Hargo and it’s time he played fair with us.An undoubted quality player in his time but anybody who thinks Two years on he can come back are not being realistic.truth be told I’m dubious something was’nt amiss and picked up on when he was signed but hey I’m a suspicious kinda guy.

  7. DEVILisRED says:

    didnt many fans reap into fergie for including hargo into last season champion league squad?
    for me, i have to agreed 110% with this article.

  8. Curtis says:

    Sadly I’ve given up hope
    for Me He’ll never play a full game for us again if he does it will be a pleasant miracle i would cherish
    But as mentioned him being selected is a non issue since we ar on 24 senior players so it shouldn’t even be debatable unless we are lining up for another transfer deadline saga for an unknown foreign player

  9. willierednut says:

    Got to agree with parryheid, the clubs been more than fair with him. We can’t afford to be carrying anyone this term, we need reliable players and for me, Hargo is not that anymore. Personally, I’d promote one of he young lads from the reserves, because i don’t see us buying anyone else.

  10. Giles Oakley says:

    I agree totally with the sentiments, wishing to give Hargreaves every inducement and encouragement, knowing how vital it is for his recovery that he keep his morale up. But it does need a very honest assessment of the position because I also want to see youngsters given every chance too. It seems Cleverley is going off on loan, after all, which is a big disappointment to me, and almost certainly to the player too, given what he ‘s said about fighting for a place in the first team, knowing opportunities might be few and far between. How must he feel to be shipped out while reading that United are trying to bring in Rodwell? I’m beginning to fear that United are becoming excellent at producing promising young players, none of whom then progress at the club, eg Welbeck, Diouf,Drinkwater, Possebon etc. It would have been great to see Cleverley come on against West Ham, say when we were 2-0 up.

    As for Hargreaves, I really pray he does make it. He was fabulous for us when fit, and he seems a genuinely good guy – just like Ole. .

  11. jono says:

    a great player, but we cant seem to get him on the field and if theres a space then fine put him on the list.

    although i dont think anyone is coming in before the window slams shut, i am still hoping for an addition to the centre of our midfield.

  12. Krister says:

    Agree with Glies. Hope he can keep his morale up and be ‘fabulous’ once more.

  13. Buytheclub2012 says:

    Hi mates, I may be get some information about hargo s status in next 2-3 weeks,but I’m not sure at this moment, don’t give it up,I’ll try my best,thanks

  14. willierednut says:

    Giles Oakley – No ones doubting Hargo’s a good guy, but footballs a cut throat business now, and United and Hargo have to move on sadly. Agree about Cleverley, really bemused that he’s going out on loan, maybe I’ve got it wrong and United will make one last signing.

  15. keano says:

    Scott, but if the spot is given to a promising youngster, does that not make the youngster try a bit harder than normal?
    Hargreaves had his chance, this is not drama, this is football. He can always be given assurances by fergie about his future. And that should be enough for Hargreaves to try his best.

  16. Scott the Red says:

    keano – We can have as many promising youngsters as we like. All U-21s get in the squad if we want, so which promising youngster do you think would miss out on their place to Hargreaves?

  17. Altonian says:

    What is the point in Cleverley staying though? He’s going to get very little game time this season (especially in the PL) if he stays so surely it’ll be a lot more beneficial if he goes to a club like Bolton or Wigan and has the chance to play regularly against PL opposition?

  18. whiteside85 says:

    if the medical ppl think he’s half a chance of playin then he’l be on the list. no doubt. but the fact there isnt any news whatsoever regarding him is a big worry.
    i thnk its game over tbh.

    How many yrs left on his contract??

  19. OT dreams says:

    I don’t believe we’re going to sign any new mids and for me Fergie also believes in Hargo, doesn’t really matter what he’s condition is. He’ll be included. I wonder what we are missing off of him! Hargo could’ve been the best choice in the mid if he he was fit. wishing his quick recovery.

  20. willierednut says:

    Altonian – What the point in Cleverley staying? I’d say, injuries, suspensions and loss of form of other players, but when he gets a chance, he has to take it.

  21. Costas says:

    @whiteside85

    I think the contract runs out next summer.

  22. Costas says:

    @parryheid

    How would Hargo play fair with the club? Announce his retirement while he still believes that he can come back? Or ask for his release, just because we have been paying an inactive player for 2 years now? I think he has been fair to the club this whole time. The problem was how we dealt with his medical condition during his first year at the club. If as you said, something was wrong when we signed him, we should have backed out from the deal.

  23. olaide yusuf says:

    We should continue 2 pray 4 him.I kw he can stil make it.cos i believe in hagrv.Is d best defensive mdf nd can also play any of da angel of da team.We missed is inpact in d team.Cos we gat no replacement.Baba should nt rush.He wil b bk.SURE…GUD LUCK…

  24. Ando08 says:

    keano, the whole point of allowing unlimited U21s was to give youngsters a chance.

  25. whiteside85 says:

    @ costas
    im gutted for him.
    but even in his 1st yr he played with injections so his knee’s must be shot to bits. he was hardly ever injured for Bayern……….would like to know if he was having injections playing for them & for how long.

    can only wish him luck but cant see how he can play again at the top level…..id be wincing every time someone went near him.
    i saw his return for the reserves last season & he played well, was impressed. but next thing we know he’s out again…………there’l make a film……The Curious case of Owen Hargreaves

  26. willierednut says:

    2 years since he played a full game for United, says it all really.

  27. King Eric says:

    I read somewhere that Hargreaves is back at Carrington? Anyone know.

  28. StatesideAussie says:

    It’s hard to stomach some of the comments being made here. I understand people’s concerns about whether Hargo will ever be able to come back from this terrible injury. But to talk of him “playing fair” the club? What nonsense!

    The bottom line — the only question that matters here — is whether including Hargo in the senior squad would mean leaving out another over-21 player. If it does, then Hargo has to be excluded. But according to what people are saying, even without Hargo, we only have 24 players over 21. So if, on Wednesday, we haven’t made a last-minute snap purchase of another over-21 player, then Hargreaves must be included.

    I do have my doubts about whether he will come back. I hope he does. But if he’s not denying anyone else a place, then there’s no reason to leave him out.

    As for the money and wages he’s been paid during his absence: surely insurance covers some or all of this? I would guess that at any time during this ordeal, either the club or Hargo himself could have pulled the plug. And had they done so, both would have been compensated by insurance. Yet both have persisted. That shows guts and commitment on both sides.

    To those who say football is a cut-throat business and we shoudn’t waste any more time or money on this guy as he’s washed up … I wonder if you are the same people who bemoan the lack of “loyalty” when players leave?

  29. Costas says:

    @whiteside85

    Oh yeah, the injections didn’t help matters. I’ve seen the same thing happen to other players who used injections in order to play games. I wonder if something started going wrong in his last season at Bayern. He only made 17 appearances during that season and they were quite willing to negotiate with us. One has to wonder what the results of his medical with us were.

  30. Fze123 says:

    @Altonian, FA and Carling Cup games, sub appearances in the League, possibly a few starts too (againsts weaker PL teams) if he impresses beforehand, and what willierednut said. Plus he’ll be able to train with Giggs and Scholes week in week out, learn from the best. Loan moves don’t work for everybody, I have a feeling he won’t come back if he goes on loan.

    On Hargo, if he doesn’t take anyone’s place in the squad, then I suppose there’s no reason as to why not including him. I think it’s pointless though, I can’t see him playing football ever again. No one seems to know of his current condition after his recent setback and return to America, but that’s probably because there is no good news. I still wish someone from the club would give us an update however.

  31. olaide yusuf says:

    Ando08,u ar rite.ur young star should be given a chance.I believe in dem.Rafel should b in firt 11.Young nd talente.Oshe is wastin ur chancses.his my problem.He should come 4m d bench.

  32. Costas says:

    @StatesideAussie

    Actually, I think it’s 24 players with Hargo in the squad. It was 25 before Diouf went on loan. Other than that, very good post.

  33. whiteside85 says:

    @costas

    yeah Bayern probably knew something wasnt right…..it makes you wonder how he passed his medical……he probably had an injection to get through that.

  34. willierednut says:

    StatesideAussie – I didn’t say he was washed up, but we’ve got to face facts, that we might’ve seen the last of Hargreaves in a United shirt. I hope I’m wrong, because he’s a fantastic midfielder, but I’ve got my doubts we’ll see him again.

  35. Mozza79 says:

    We need to thank Hargreaves for his good work in his first season with us, tell him we’re very sorry, cancel his contract and collect the insurance money. We cannot continue to carry a passenger in a squad place that should be being used by a player competing for a first team spot every week. It’s quite clear that his career is essentially over at the highest level so I think it would be a hell of a lot easier for everyone concerned if we moved on and brought someone else in who is available to play football.

  36. Passe_Mouraille says:

    Looking back at how things planned out, I for one don’t think Hargo was a flop or a bad signing. He was one of our best players during 07-08 and that penalty he scored against the rentboys that night in Moscow speaks for itself. How important was the free kick against Arsenal at home? Oh, how be bossed that midfield with anderson at Anfailed. His career might be over, but a bad signing? Not in a million years.

    I want curly hair too!

  37. willierednut says:

    Furthermore, football is a cut throat business, SAF has proved that down the years, when he got rid of Keane, Bruce and other players, no sentiment there and nor should there be any.

  38. MG says:

    Never give up on that shirt

    When Ole came back after three years plus it was a joy like no other – it was so special that it was beyond words

    Even if that was it – just that one season – it was worth it

    Hargreaves only has to look at that – as long as he makes it back that is the most important thing

    It doesn’t matter now if he has a prolonged career or not – it matters that he has one more chance ant what he does.

    This shirt is a symbol of defiance – those that wear it know it – those that don’t do not understand it’s magnitude.

  39. MG says:

    at not ant – sorry typo

  40. whiteside85 says:

    @Mozza,willierednut

    i think whilst he’s under contract the club are just tryin to do the best by him, give him the best medical treatment etc, to give him the best chance of playing again, i know theres no room for sentiment but in his case he needs the motivation of belonging to a club & at United he’s got that.

    if he didnt have that then i think he’d just give up because no club will take him on.
    so this is a do or die season for him. it just baffles me why theres been no updates recently.

  41. Costas says:

    I agree with whiteside85. As long as he is contracted, I’d like to think that we will do our best for him. Like we did with Blomqvist, who was injured for the last 2 years of his contract.

  42. Costas says:

    Or like we did with Ole.

  43. Devil Without A Cause says:

    Willie

    be positive mate.
    hope he would be back. i am already starting to miss that crunching, perfectly weighted, sublime header he did in the last match he played. what a header it was. one of the brightest moments of last season.

  44. rubito says:

    Hi Scott,
    Good post and a good thought.
    The only thing I wonder about is how much SAF thinks this is in the boys head and is a lost cause.
    It´s a big call.

    COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS……………………..UNITED UNITED UNITED

    LUHG

  45. willierednut says:

    Whiteside85 – I think the club have been brilliant with him and give him every chance to get fit, as for any up dates, i haven’t seen anything, but SAF did say a few weeks ago, that he’s undecided on whether Hargo will be included in the 25 man squad.

  46. parryheid says:

    Costas,

    I didnt say something was wrong when he signed.I said I am a suspicious guy Hargo problem is a slow burner does’nt spring up overnight it’s not like Ruud’s problem before he signed and we did’nt sign him until he had recovered and underwent a stiff medical and the manager had faith he could come back and was proved right .I just suspect we were taken hence my fair remark and if you and Stateside Aussie have difficulty with that then too bad but I dont think I am the only one who has suspicion’s and I wonder if in the future any signings we make will ever catch us with a similar ailment.I think not.

  47. denton davey says:

    Passe_Mouraille @ 16:16: great post. Owen Hargreaves WAS terrific for UTD; but that’s in the past. Sitting on the outside, looking-in, it seems to have been a huge gamble to get both of his knees operated on – but, then, it wasn’t so much a “gamble” as a desperation move since we’ve been told by the doctor that his knees were basically shot.

    I think that it’s arguable that the “loss” of Owen Hargreaves has been the great disappointment of the past few years even though UTD have done incredibly well in relation to the major trophies. Obviously, SAF had a plan to use Hargreaves as his Gattuso – next to his Pirlo/Carrick. It was a damned good plan but, unfortunately, the real world intervened and it never really got off the ground. In the event, it seems that if this plan had worked out as planned – as it were – then we might never have seen the emergence of Darren Fletcherinho as a football genius. So, the downside hasn’t been half-bad, has it ?

  48. willierednut says:

    DWAC – It’s not about being positive mate, it’s about living in the real world, he hasn’t played 90 minutes in 2 years. if he’s included in the squad, then i’ll accept that, as i said before, i’ll be happy if he gets fit for United and plays some games.

  49. Costas says:

    @parryheid

    Well, I’d like to believe that our medical team can detect stuff like that. Hargreaves broke his leg the season before he joined us, so he probably underwent a complete medical evaluation. So in my view, either his problem popped up after he signed or he already had it and we underestimated it.

  50. Passe_Mouraille says:

    denton davey:
    You’re right, and that’s the beauty of it all, where one falls behind another one steps up.

  51. wayne says:

    i think hargo has already stated he was playing when he shouldn’t have been in that first year so maybe he wasn’t truthful to the club about how severe his injury was or felt because he didn’t want to let the team down, getting those injections and playing injured made it worse so maybe the player and the club are both at fault,utd have stood by him and hes worked hard and had the operations to try and play again so both parties are being fair with each other its just one of those things thats still in limbo lets hope it all works out

  52. keano says:

    my mistake sorry.. for the moment i forgot about the u21 rule..

  53. MG says:

    GHTT

    I told ya buddy

    No where near in the same breath as the King

    Love the King Love Manchester United even more (no more glazer talk)

  54. TK says:

    Totally agree with you Scott .I have said on here many times before and i’ll say it again.I’d rather have a fit and ready Owen Hargreaves than any other defensive Midfielder .

  55. willierednut says:

    Costas – As far as i know, our medical staff knew his knees were not a 100% right, but they thought that they could control it with the injections, obviously they were wrong.

  56. Costas says:

    @willierednut

    Yeah, that’s what I am suspecting too. As wayne says, I think Hargo and the club didn’t handle the situation properly.

  57. willierednut says:

    http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/441902223?-11193

    Cleverley to Wigan looks like a done deal, i wonder if there’s something in the Rodwell rumours.

  58. Costas says:

    Thanks for the Cleverley article. I wonder if it’s for 6 months or a a full season. I’d prefer it if we sent him somewhere else though. Wigan’s “throw in the towel” mentality in plenty of their games will ruin him, lol.

  59. MG says:

    willierednut

    I thought Sir Alex categorically said that Tom would not be leaving that he would be staying to further his development at United since he has gone so far?

    What would I know : )

  60. United4eva says:

    Its over for Hargreaves. His contract expires at the end of this season and I very much doubt United will renew it in the vain hope that he’ll get back to his best. Its sad because he was a big part of us winning the League and Champions League in 2008 but the truth is its over. Such a shame…

  61. willierednut says:

    MG – You know as well as i, that the boss loves playing his mind games, not just with the media, but with us as well.

  62. StatesideAussie says:

    @willierednut … re Hargo being “washed up”, I was summarizing a bunch of comments that have been made, not necessarily yours mate! I agree that football is a cut-throat business. And that’s as it should be: the club must come first! I was in favor of Hargo not picked in the 25-man squad until I found out we can’t fill our allowed quota of senior players anyway. Cheers!

  63. willierednut says:

    StatesideAussie – No worries mate.

  64. MG says:

    Willierednut

    I wouldn’t expect nothing less

    Mind games United : )

  65. Zibbie says:

    24 players over 21 cool
    SAF TO GET RODWELL!?!??

  66. Zibbie says:

    Hargo what a shame he was such a key player on the CL title run, so likable as a player.
    Jack Cockgood would fit the mold for Ferrgie. Young, English with a huge upside!

  67. RedDeviled Egg says:

    Anyone see Welbeck against City?
    He looked great. AS soon as he came on the game changed. He’s got a great bag of tricks to throw at defenders too

  68. devil without a cause says:

    Willie

    tbh would love to see Rodwell in a utd shirt. he is quick, strong, young, basically a defencive player but has improved a lot while going forward. he just could be the need of the hour.
    but some rumours also state that we would be offering 10 mn + Carrick which is absolutely ridiculous. agree that MC is going through bad form but he (when on song) is the best passer of the team after Scholes. so imo getting Rodwell for around 15-20 mn would be a good business with MC also staying a red devil.

  69. obertanthenewstar says:

    i really dont think rodwell will come.. the cleverly move must be due to anderson’s good form in training maybe?? or carrick coming back to life… i cant really see us getting rodwell tbh
    would be nice tho as rodwell does look to be a talent.. strong agile quick, can pass the ball, can win it back, good height and knows where the goal is!!

  70. willierednut says:

    DWAC – I can’t see Moyes letting Rodwell go for 10 million and Carrick, if there is a deal, it’ll probably be a cash deal only.

  71. devil without a cause says:

    Willie

    or maybe replace Carrick with Hargreaves. LoL
    P.S. i put a stone on my heart while writing that. :-P

  72. Buytheclub2012 says:

    I’m sure rodwell will at united one day he’s the player who fit us and sir alex wanted,but unlikely for this moment.

  73. Zibbie says:

    Maybe in the winter window.
    SAF likes this lad he would look great in the Man Utd kit.

  74. Mickjk says:

    It would be great to see Hargreaves back. Important that he does get back soon being in the last year of his contract. Great player but such a shame. After all who wouldn’t let him shag their wife? That song was a particular favourite of mine. Classic.

  75. cantona7 says:

    Scott, i agree 100% with you on this.

  76. Devil310 says:

    Personally, I think the psychological harm has already caused damage….and it should be one of his biggest obstacles to get through once he is physically fit.

    In reality, I doubt he will be ready….not in full form. Therefore, SAF should not waste this opportunity by including someone who could actually help the team.

    We wouldn’t want to be hit by injuries like last year and not have enough cover.

  77. denton davey says:

    obertanthenewstar @ 18:21: “the cleverly move must be due to anderson’s good form in training maybe??”

    THAT would be great news. I’m a HUGE fan of Anderson. For the last two years, Anderson’s career has stalled and he needs to get his mojo working by being played alongside Darren Fletcherinho and/or Paul Scholes.

    About Cleverley – he needs to play regularly. These loan deals are only beneficial to UTD if our guys are more-or-less guaranteed regular playing time; otherwise, they’re worse than useless.

    Rodwell for Carrick and “spare change” would be a good deal for UTD but a silly one for Everton who have better players than Carrick already. The quoted re-sale price for Carrick – ten million (give-or-take) is ludicrous: he’s 28.29, going downhill fast, and gets huge wages. Everton will hold out for an all-cash sale unless they can flip Steven Pienaar and Rodwell and get Carrick to take up some of the slack and end up with a big bag of money. Anything less would be counter-productive for them – a version of subtraction by addition.

  78. Altonian says:

    Fze123 – If he is good enough he will have an impact at Wigan and certainly be coming back. If he can’t make an impression after a season at Wigan then surely he’s not going to be good enough for Utd? Wilshire was able to do pretty well at Bolton and with being a few years older I see no reason why Cleverley can’t (if he really does have as much promise as so many people seem to think).

  79. AON: Americans Out Now says:

    Fergie doesnt have choice other than including Hargo in our 25 Man Squad as their is space for him !! The last I checked..We’d have to sign 1 more Over 21 player if we have to keep Hargo out !

    Home Grown: (8+4= 12)

    Wes Brown
    Michael Carrick
    Jonny Evans
    Rio Ferdinand
    Darren Fletcher
    Darron Gibson
    Ryan Giggs
    Gary Neville
    John O’Shea
    Michael Owen
    Wayne Rooney
    Paul Scholes

    Foreign over-21s(12)

    Nemanja Vidic
    Edwin Van der Sar
    Antonio Valencia
    Nani
    Tomasz Kuszczak
    Ji-Sung Park
    Patrice Evra
    Dimitar Berbatov
    Anderson
    Owen Hargreaves
    Javier Hernandez
    Ritchie de Laet

    Under-21s

    Fabio Da Silva
    Rafael Da Silva
    Gabriel Obertan
    Chris Smalling
    Federico Macheda
    Ben Amos
    Tom Cleverley
    Corry Evans
    Bebe

    We ve got one Vacant Spot for a New Signing !! ;)

  80. AON: Americans Out Now says:

    Sorry mistake…

    * Sign 2 new over 21 players to keep Hargo Out !!

  81. devil without a cause says:

    AON.

    you are right with your calculation. but for this season only and as far as i know this aint the last. under 21 wont always remain under 21. they would demand a place in the 25 man squad list in the next coming years. so imo its better to keep a space or two spare.
    you can say that this might be the last season for Scholes, Giggs, Neville and VDS but in reality you never know. last season was also meant to be their last but here they are banging in the goals providing assist after assist and making reflex action saves. not to forget the tag-team tackles by Scholes and Giggs.

  82. badger says:

    @Mozza79. Couldn’t agree with you more mate, its unfortunate but I just dont see that Hargreaves will ever be back playing to previous standards and I dont know why we haven’t cancelled his contract yet – especially if we are as skint as people make out, that squad position and wages could be put to far better use.

  83. Costas says:

    @badger

    Because it’s not the right thing to do. Hargo got injured(or got seriously injured) while playing for United, so there’s a sense of resposibility on our part. I can see us parting ways with him mutually and under good terms. But cancelling his contract is ethically wrong. It’s a shame that a player like him has been payed for 2 years and hasn’t played more than 90 seconds, but the club has pissed away money in worse fashion in recent years.

  84. King Eric says:

    denton – Carrick going downhill fast? Oh come on man. Granted he had a poor last season but the lad is still United’s best passer aside from Scholes. He also protects the back 4. Very harsh mate.

  85. badger says:

    @Costas. I hear what you are saying but how long do we leave it until we decide enough is enough? Have we missed out on other targets because we are pinning our hopes on Hargreaves returning? Its a real shame because he is exactly the kind of player we need but to be honest the management team should have seen this coming because Hargreaves injury record before signing for United was appalling, they were aware of the tendonitis problem when we bought him so a calculated risk that has backfired in spectacular fashion.

  86. Costas says:

    @badger

    That’s the thing. You are aware that something might be wrong with this player and you sign him up for 4 years. Once you do down that road, I don’t think it’s fair to turn around and tell him “We don’t see you ever becoming the player you once was, lets terminate the contract”. Trust me, I am frustrated about the situation too. When it’s all said and done, Hargo will have probably played 1 year out of the 4 we signed him for. I just look at what we did in the past in similar situations(Blomqvist, Solskaer) and we usually give the player every possibility to come back. I think Fergie even recommended Blomqvist to Everton after his contract with us run out.

    Did Hargo’s ordeal stop us from buying other players in that area? That’s an interesting debate. I think that was probably the case in the summer of 09. At the time, we were expecting Hargo to come back in the Autumn of 09, so that might have prevented us from buying another midfielder. I don’t think this was the case this summer. Hargo went back to the US in early July I think. We had plenty of time to buy a defensive midfielder. And I feel that we should have.

  87. parryheid says:

    Now it appears Hargo’s tendonitus may have been known when signed, well I think that would put the tin hat on any insurance settlement I’m no expert but any claim I made on policies all had what they called perils.Manchester has the headquarters of one of the biggest insurance companies in the country and plenty of the supporters of this club will be experts in that field,could be that we’ve got nuthin coming.

  88. denton davey says:

    King Eric @ 10:52: “denton – Carrick going downhill fast? Oh come on man. Granted he had a poor last season but the lad is still United’s best passer aside from Scholes. He also protects the back 4. Very harsh mate.”

    This is one of those personnel issues about which we have agreed to disagree.

    I just don’t see the evidence in his play on which you could claim that Carrick is “United’s best passer aside from Scholes”. To my way of thinking – based on what I’ve seen these past few seasons – Michael Carrick is an adequate “screen” protecting the back four but he is a quiet/passive attacking player who generally slows the game and tends to pass backwards/sideways more often than forwards.

    To be sure, he plays better with a pit-bull like Owen Hargreaves/Anderson/DarrenFletcherinho and worse when he’s paired with a genius like Scholes. I don’t think that this assessment is “harsh” but, rather, the reality of his play has been insipid – even DonFabio agrees with that (although I realize that relying on Capello’s assessment is not likely to curry favour with UTD fans !)

  89. Supatrice says:

    Hargreaves is a write off unfortunate but true.

  90. willierednut says:

    Costas – I don’t think anyone’s suggesting that United should kick Hargreaves out of the club, not at all, but that Hargo and the club should come to an understanding, if he can’t get over his injury.

  91. Joe says:

    I’m sure he’ll be included, if only because Carrick looks like half the player he was in 08/09. As for coming back from the injury, I’m just not too positive about that anymore. I really feel for him, but he was really foolish not to get the injury checked out while at Bayern. I suppose it’s a testament to his character that he was so desperate to play he never really brought up the injury, but now his knees are almost completely fucked. Such a shame for such a great player to have to bow out like this, but I still have some hope that we’ll see him in the first team again, banging in another of those freekicks.

  92. keith_mac says:

    hargreaves made the squad!!!!!

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