Darren Fletcher has again paid homage to Roy Keane.
“When I lost the ball, he used to tear me to pieces,” said Fletcher. “He’d scream, ‘Control the effing ball, watch your effing passes’. I remember one day when I was looking at messages on my mobile with him alongside. He annihilated me. He humiliated me all the way to the gym. The rules we follow at United are the ones he laid down. Like meeting half an hour before set times, being on an exercise bike 15 minutes before training, not looking at your mobile in the dressing room. Roy Keane is the guy who made me. I have known professionals who applied themselves, but Roy was something else. The first time he screams at you, you panic and lower your head. Then you understand it is for your own good. Now it is our turn to ensure the youngsters respect the rules, that they do the jobs given them.”
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carrick needs what fletcher got from the legend..
coasting and complacency
forget mourinho, the man we need as manager is keano.
he proved himself in the championship with Sunderland, hopefully he has a year or two, maybe he will get the experience he needs, before fergie finally steps down
YEAH SEND CARRICK ON LOAN TO IPSWICH AND LET KEANO BANG HIM INTO SHAPE, NOT FIT TO CARRY THE GREAT MANS OLD NUMBER
This kind of stuff is great. It is the United way. I hope that these kinds of lessons and training methods are passed down to the youth system for generations to come. These are the kind of things that make United a brilliant club. Love it.
ronaldeano……yep mate carrick wouldnt last at OT in my opinion if keano was about.
AS for sending him to ipswich…blimey mate u want him to shat his pants….keano loathed complacent players and players that took their eyes off the ball.
keano what a legend.
United had fewest goals conceaded and most clean sheets this season. Not bad considering the injuries they had to the backline.
We’ll never see another player like Keano, I left work early and cried the day left, Legend.
Can’t way bring Roy back to do just that? He could be one of Fergie’s assistants…
Don’t know whether this has already been mentioned but Evra feels as though he has let United down as we didn’t retain the title this season. There is no reason Evra should feel that way. He has consistantly been one out outstanding players this season along with Rooney and Valencia.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6145932,00.html
he said this about 14 months ago…
There’s only one Keano!
@AlphaRS
It’s typical United mentality from Pat, but he is the last player we can have any complaints from. Never got injured, never underperformed during this season. But it’s good to know that we have characters like that in the team. Makes me feel good about the post Giggs-Scholes-Nev era.
Great player but as a manager? No, thanks. Unlike Sir Alex who can be scary sometimes, Keano is just batshit insane.
“Now it is our turn to ensure the youngsters respect the rules, that they do the jobs given them.”
Can anyone picture fletcher yelling curse words at kiko?
AlphaRS @ 18:09: “There is no reason Evra should feel that way. He has consistantly been one out outstanding players this season along with Rooney and Valencia.”
I disagree with your assessment of Valencia’s season – he’s been surprisingly good BUT not great. He’s been less important than Vidic or Van Der Sar and, especially, Darren Fletcherinho (football genius). So, my ranking would have Antonio Valencia in the middle of the pack among the guys who have regularly been given starting assignments by SAF- and I’m not including Nani’s breathtaking half-season or Giggs’ and the Ginger Ninja’s sporadic starts in which they have been either fan-fucking-tastic (or dreadful).
Having said that, I don’t want to rain on Valencia’s parade – he’s been much better than anyone expected and, I think, he’s going to be much better next season as he grows in confidence with a sense of belonging on this team AND begins to use his left foot.
LOL @ Rollins…. Every time I imagine Fletcher like that, it brings a smile to my face. True, Fletcher is possibly the closest to Keano anyone can ever get on the pitch in terms of determination and fighting spirit, but I definitely cannot imagine him as a disciplinarian. He will probably the convey the same thoughts much more softly, but every bit as effective one would hope.
Plenty of United-fans are always looking for someone to blame and make a scapegoat of, aren’t they? If it’s not Nani, it’s Berbatov, Neville or Carrick? Michael Carrick has had a bit of a disappointing season, sure, but you’d think with 2-3 really good ones where we’ve done brilliantly both in Europe and domestically people would cut him some slack.
Keane was a great player like Robbo but not a graeat manager…..no chance for united job.
@Suhayl 1st comment
Utter class I’ve just laughed my cock off. Only a few words but total class.
Like Carrick but Keane would have made him better and that bit tougher. I don’t think he’s been that bad this season fair enough probably at fault against Munich but he’s done ok.
Certainly love Roy Keane but not as Manager of Utd.
I believe Keane should replace the north korean prime minister. He will make such a perfect dictator.
I don’t think Carrick could survive a Keano rant lol.
@ Willie-Especially if it was anything like the one he gave Alan ‘Can’t do no wrong’ Shearer during a game at St James’ Thought he’d have killed him if the players hadn’t held him back. Totally lost it.
Theres only 1 Keano.
Keano could work as a no2 , phelan could be team coach , but how much influence does he radiate ? Nothing …
Chaps , hate to say this but Keano isn’t a very nice guy.
As a footballer for United he was and will always be awesome.
As a person, from Forrest to United he was a prize cock.
Great players don’t always make great managers.
SAF was average at best as a player, similarly Shankly etc.
Robbo and Keane were awsome players but managing..
Had season ticket for 20 years and love Keano for what he did for Utd but have met him on many occasions in Hale and trust me you wouldn’t want to him as a mate.
There are so few so focussed to make them the best like Keane.
Doesn’t make them good people or management material.
He’d be a disaster as a manager at United. A La Souness at dippers.
Top player but helmet as a man
Keano and Carrick would have been an interesting face off. How about Keano and Anderson when he stormed off before the Hull game?
Just a word or two about Keano, truly a wonderful player for us, but, like Robson, not in the same league as a manager….yet. That’s not to belittle what he did for us, but he just doesn’t appear to have the same ability as a manager.
Truly outstanding managers usually give us early insights about their abilities. SAF’s achievements at Aberdeen for example, Roy spent a significant amount of money at Sunderland and ultimately achieved very little.
As another player/captain in the dressing room he seems to have had huge influence in shaping attitude and behaviour -as Fletch has pointed out.
However, he has time on his side and if he ever manages to somehow transfer the sheer determination and will to succeed as a player into managerial skills, then hey, it could be.
So far though, he’s fallen well short.
@denton davey – Vidic and Edwin might be more important overall to United than Valencia is but I don’t think you can say they’ve been better than the Ecuadorian this season.
Valencia – 49 appearances
Vidic – 33 appearances
Edwin – 29 appearances
Doesn’t take a genius to work out which of those three players has done more for us this season, and that’s not even mentioning his goals and assists. I’m sure Scott the Red will have full stats for every player up in due course and they will tell their own story.
@Stenis – At United, a player is only as good as his last game. So no, three great seasons from Carrick do not excuse his terrible performances dating back to the Champions League final in Rome.
Fred
wazza had an average game on sunday, so by your logic he is now an average player…………….
Yep. That’s exactly what I’m saying.
Okay, maybe that cliche doesn’t ring true but let’s face it, you’d have to go pretty far back to find a good Michael Carrick game anyway.
Fred
he just needs his confidence back, you can name more good games than bad regarding carrick in the past 3 years
i couldn’t give a toss what Keanes like off the pitch, on it he was a legend and always will be.
The last good Carrick game was probably at the Emirates last January. He is one of those players that Fergie will have to take a long hard look at this summer. I believe that he can bounce back, but someone has to light a fire under him.
Its in my blood – He did get Sunderland promoted to the premiership, with little money spent. I accept the point he didn’t push Sunderland on when they got there, but i wouldn’t dismiss the job he done at the Makems.
@ Stenis, as much as I love Carrick, it’s hard to not aim criticism at him. This is not looking for someone to blame. You wouldn’t expect such lusterless performances and costly mistakes from him, especially from someone who won 3 League titles and a CL. Shame really, we missed his quality passing. He let us down this season. Is he still struggling to get over the final last year? Since that game, he hasn’t shown anything on the pitch to warrant a back place in the first team. His confidence is shot at the moment, and this has contributed to his slump. He won’t be sold because he’s had a rubbish season because Fergie will probably have a talk with him about this. But unless he repents next season by getting back to his utlimate best, Gibson or Ando will be picked instead.
Foster on his way to Birmingham?
ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8673931.stm
@ Costas, that’s right. He was fantastic against Arsenal away. Up until Olic scored at OT, he was magnificent against Bayern too and looked to be coming back into his best. It’s a shame he failed to prevent that costly goal from going in. We probably would have held on to our lead, even after going down to 10 men, and reached the semis. And who knows, maybe Carrick would have produced better performances after that. But that’s about it really, overall his performances have been below par.
carrick has been 1 of the reasons we’ve had to play the 3 in midfield……i dont think fergie trusts him as much as he did……so i can see him lettin him go….he’s just got to complacent for some reason…he’s been far to slow in possesion this season……..i think we’ve got to freshen things up in their….& i think fergie feels that…….with a hopefully fit again Hargreaves (BIG hopefully) & we get a badly needed creative CM he will drop further down the peckin order.
fergie knows when to let a player go at the right time (apart from Jaap) & i think Carricks time has come imo
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/784837/ce/uk/?cc=5739&ver=global
Says here Carragher has been picked for the preliminary World Cup squad but Gary Neville has been snubbed. What a joke! Also claims Hargreaves might be included in the squad.
Ya that’s right, off season now. WC almost a month away. Title has been lost, search for a scapegoat is well and truly on. It used to be fletcher some seasons ago, because he didn’t quite have the United class, a great big signing was the need of the hour at that time, suddenly he’s the great player with insight and carrick takes on the mantle.
We’ve seen it all before, the fickle and the non fickle continue to be at loggerheads for centuries. I belong to the latter category. The lad is absolute class, maybe we haven’t seen it this season, so what? one bad season, he’s due one.. He’s a top class player, i support him because I’m a fan (even during bad times).
@Fze123 “He won’t be sold because he’s had a rubbish season because Fergie will probably have a talk with him about this. But unless he repents next season by getting back to his utlimate best, Gibson or Ando will be picked instead.”
I disagree. As whiteside85 said “fergie knows when to let a player go at the right time (apart from Jaap) & i think Carricks time has come imo”
When Fergie loses patience with a player he is ruthless – just ask David Beckham or Louis Saha. That’s why I think Carrick and Berbatov will be sold this summer. Anderson’s injury has probably spared him from being sold too, so he will probably have the chance to prove himself next season, hopefully he will use the remarkable turnaround in his mate Nani’s fortunes as inspiration.
Sniper – Carrick isn’t being made the scapegoat for us not winning the league, that award goes to Berbatov, who’s had far more stick than Carrick this season.
@Fze123
Yeah, I forgot about the Bayern game. He was pretty good until that error. It was tough on him too, because he wanted to cover for our absent defenders, but made matters worse. His future is uncertain at the moment. A lot will rely on what Ferguson plans to do in the transfer marker. If he doesn’t go for a CM, I doubt Carrick will be sold. But he needs a new challenge, in order to raise his game. Scholes is a Legend, but it’s unacceptable that he shows more desire to play for United than Carrick does. Scholes has been doing it for 19 years and Carrick has been doing it for 4. It should have been the other way around.
Good for you, Sniper. I’m so sorry for being so “fickle.” We can’t all be such great fans like you.
Funny though, was Fergie being fickle when he decided that the likes of Hughes, Kanchelskis, Ince, Bruce, Pallister, Yorke, Becks, Ruud and Saha were past their best? They were all great players. Surely they all deserved another chance just like you say Carrick does?
No, mate. Carrick let Fergie down in Rome but at least he had the entire 09/10 season to bounce back and prove himself. Unfortunately, he hasn’t made any progress at all. Do you expect Fergie to give him another year to find his form? No chance. I think he’d rather cash him in and use the money to buy a midfielder with some balls. I guess we’ll have to wait and see, but when Carrick is sold I expect you’ll be on here lambasting Fergie for being so fickle and using Carrick as a scapegoat.
@sniper……..i support all players that wear the shirt (including Berbatov). Carricks been a top player for us & if he can get the bit between his teeth again then great but you cant hide the fact it does need freshening up……if im pushed i wouldnt sell him cos we need the squad, im just second guessin fergies thoughts.
i just think he works well with a 3 in midfield but we seem to get overrun in a 4-4-2 when up against quality opposition with energetic midfielders. we definitely need to buy a creative midfielder of quality
All players need to take this home and internalise it. The United Rules. Plus
What Evra the Legend said recently about what it means to wear the United
Shirt. I was dissapointed like so many supporters, players and managers that
We didn’t win our 19th title and 4 in a row.
What I take from this season is that dispite everything: poor ref decisions, injuries
Etc. We finished 1 point behind chelski.
I think this team can be great in the next couple of years. We have a talented youth
Team players, other young players like Rafael, Gibson, Kiko, Cleverley, Welbeck who will
Show their strenght and wisdom .
The key thing in all of this for SAF is to manage the team in Europe. And being able
To keep the team fresh for their Prem league game. The more successful they are
In Europe and domestic competitions the more he needs to keep the team fresh.
Especially when it comes to the business end. Fletcher along with Evra will ensure
This United spirit and what means to wear the shirt will benefit the team long term
For more success..
@willi AT 22:13
Amen! Legend and only 1.
Goodnight.
fergie should make ole his no 2………..cannot see what phelan does as a no 2
fergie spends more time talking with rene!!
also believe that carrick will be on his way to spurs, he has not been the same player this season.
I am certain that fergie blames carrick for our loss to barca in the final, but has shown faith in him to show his worth to united, sadly he has not stepped up to it!!
its the midfield that needs rebulding.
off topic………………….terrys a cunt!!
Well said Fletch, its the level heads like you mate, Ryan , Paul, and Gary and the other of members of “Dads Army” that keep the club progressing.
Top bloke in my opinion Darren, and Scottish, not that I am biased lol joking.Heart of a fucking lion taken a pile of abuse on various media sites in the past, and driven through the eternal crap, to be one of the top powerhouses in midfield in the world.
You know how it goes mate, I learn, you learn, I pass it on, you pass it, and on and on.
Fuck keane he is a fool anylad that stamps on a players back when he lieing on the ground looses all my respect, to me its called cowardice.
Top bloke though Darren and now is your chance to be the next generation, and develop the up and coming talent we have. You Jock are a Star, what are you, a fucking Star*
@Canadian Red Devil – ridiculous that Capello rates Carragher over Neville. Look at the England team:
James
Johnson/Carragher, [Rio] Terry, Cole,
Walcott, Lampard, Barry, Gerrard,
[Rooney] Crouch/Heskey
FFS am I supposed to support that mob? No chance.
If he picks Hargo tomorrow I am going to tear my house down, lol.
Guys, have you seen this gem?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/10/article-1275955-0981E061000005DC-684_468x418.jpg
>:o
If he picks Gerrard, as I am little Red Riding Hood am gonna blow my hoose down too,
On form eh Corneto, get outaa here.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/419612585?-11193
The Glazers won’t break the bank on wages, no surprise there then.
a lot of paper talk about The Great One of Ginger going back… rubbish? it has to be… i fucking hope so. thoughts?
just read that myself………dont know what to think of it……in some ways we shouldnt pay over the top in wages…….fukinell 100k+ aweek is plenty……..but if we’re to compete then again we might have to up the anti…….if you wont/cant pay it Glazers go & FUCK right off…….we didnt need your debt before & we dont need it now you Yankee bastards. will some1 just go & get a hitman out on them…..seriously
Keano! Fucking legend as a player. No peers to his all round game n mentality!! N didn’t he make some lovely crunching tackles!! Mgr at united, stuff of dreams (n one I dream about) has got the mentality of to do it. Why cudnt he be our pep guadiola (if that’s spelt right)? He doesn’t have to worry about the set up n the other shit he’s had to elsewhere, as fergie has created foundations in so many of the former utd lads being involved n trusting them to deal with areas he first dealt with.
As for carrick n the others, couple of things to take into account- squad sizes next year, n wen it’s time it’s time. So many great players that we loved moved on for the good of the team.
As for wages ( not that I can justify them or is this an excuse for the cunt glazers) but they’re paying 50% tax, so £120k a week, whereas before 100k a week they’d get 60k ish.
@willierednut
The article mentions CIty and Chelsea but they really aren’t the problem. English clubs all have a problem with wages even with Spain shutting some of the loopholes as the players will usually negotiate on an after tax basis and with our tax rate already being higher than places like spain and this rising further with the 50% rate and potentially further still if the NI rise that’s been announced comes in. Also the weakness of the pound alos comes into play. All this means to match a wage being offered elsewhere in Europe costs English clubs a lot more.
Also United have generally always been pretty strict with wage structures as they have to be because if you break these massivly you risk having to increase the rest of the playing staffs wages signifcantly, especially as some players will have clauses that require them to be on equal pay or within a certain range
Meant to say 120k/wk gets u 60k/wk, whereas before100k/wk got u 60k after the taxman
Roy Keane taught Fletch
Fletch becomes one of the best midfielders in world football
That is totally understandable
But who the fuck taught JT
Big difference – correct?
Keano to brainwash Rafael, anyone ?
Sorry if someone has posted this. but apparently, the SUN says EVRA wants to quit Old Trafford for Inter or Real Madrid!!!!!!!!!!!!
Noooooooooooooo
watched Mexico play against Senegal in a friendly today. Chicharito was playing too….missed an absolute sitter though from less than 5 yards out! Anyway, he does look good and has the speed and skills, but finishing will need some work….Anyway, if anyone can make him better, it is Fergie.
Saw the same article about Evra, dont know how true it is, it states that he wants a new challenge? OK easy, how about Evra as our captain next year!
PissedOffRed
No chance mate. He loves this club more than anything else. Has he ever said anything other than how proud he was to be playing for this club? Typical london based ABU media
I might loathe the SUN, but that tabloid seems to hit the nail in the coffin most of the time.
Beckham…….. Ruud, Ronaldo.
I hope it is not true about Evra and he does love the club. He is getting 80k a week!
Should Real Madrid come pestering again, I hope we get Higuain and Van der Vaart for Pat.
We haven’t got any leftback at the moment.
O’Shea would be a step back towards the time before Pat and Fabio is unproven..
I HATE MADRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! & GLAZERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aaaah, How I miss Keano!
Keano was a great player but sorry his man management skills are pretty caveman like. Its no accident he has failed at each club he has managed. Yes Fergie gives the old hair drier treatment but he knows how to talk to players too, something if all the stories are right Keane is failing to do.
Next United manager? He needs ten years experiance first and will have to stop belittling players.
PissedOffRed- No chance in hell mate, don’t worry yourself.
There truly is only one Keano!
Fergie sign a young English striker to partner Wayne up front.
http://media.entertainment.sky.com/image/unscaled/2010/05/10/Kai-and-Wayne-Rooney-0410-4.jpg
Schmuck
I’am afraid he’s not even make it into next season’s reserve let alone 1st team..still unproven untill he gets his 1st step. LOL
okay theboogeyman & yooney.. let’s hope we sign some top talents this summer.
It’s scary. If this is done to Berbatov. He will be off in a season.
When did Carrick ever have 3 “great” seasons? I saw two and a half decent ones. No more than that.
Isn’t there something our club can do about this Hargreaves thing? How can someone who has played 90 seconds of first team football in 20 months even be included in the 30 man squad? He would have been better off if he used this free time to work on his fitness.
hahaha keano’s fuckin magicccc lol even yorke said in an interview whos more scarey?? fergie or keano??
“oh deffo keano, because if you play shit he’ll wanna fight you” hahaha
Potty Paddy Evra is going nowhere.
He knows how much we love him, he knows he is at the best club in the world, he knows we will be back next season. Even if he wanted to go (which I 100% believe he does not), he wouldn’t go until he had helped win the league back to restore his personal pride (which for me doesn’t need restoring).
legenddary
@Costas
TBH it might be in our favour. International games are alot slower than Prem matches on the whole and a full summer of training and perhaps some playing time could help him be ready to hit the ground running next season
Off topic but some fans do amuse me. “Adam from London” called the Paddy show last night and said we should sign Silva, Villa AND Benzema. Yeah thats gonna happen .
@Wakey
Yeah mate, but there’s always the danger of Hargo suffering a recurence of his problem. Remember what happened with Michael Owen in the 06 World Cup. If I was a Newcastle fan during that time, I would have been seriously pissed off.
Anyway, I hope that he doesn’t get selected. His comeback has to be on his own terms and not forced in any way.
@Costas
If he is going to break down it could happen any time and imho he is more inclined to break down due to lack of playing and conditioning than anything else as long as Capello shows a bit of sense and doesn’t expect him to play 90 miinutes every game
@Costas, no need to worry now mate
@bigphil2003
Lol, yeah just saw it in another thread. Common sense prevailed. It’s good that our players that had injury problems this season, like Nev, Brown, Hargo and Owen, will get 7-8 weeks’ rest until the next season begins.
fze123 @ 22:36: “Up until Olic scored at OT, he was magnificent against Bayern too and looked to be coming back into his best. It’s a shame he failed to prevent that costly goal from going in.”
I think that it’s unfair to blame him for that – keep in mind that he had had “his bell rung” a few minutes before and was probably not 100 %. But he was shoved back onto the pitch in the hope that he would get through until half-time. It didn’t work – SAF’s gamble failed. It happens.
Fred @ 23:13: “Carrick let Fergie down in Rome but at least he had the entire 09/10 season to bounce back and prove himself. Unfortunately, he hasn’t made any progress at all.”
I don’t think that Carrick “let Fergie down in Rome” because the midfield was littered with casualties – Fletcherinho banned, Hargreaves injured, Anderson got injured – he subsequently missed some international games with Brazil – and Carrick also seems to have been injured and missed some international games in June.
More to the point, though, is that his game has dramatically regressed this year. He’s still too diffident. He does not play with confidence or gusto – and that’s magnified when he’s been paired with Scholes to whom he always (always !) defers by passing sideways or backwards.
On the other hand, I thought he did pretty well in central defence during the awful period when he was called upon to play there. IF UTD played with some sort of “sweeper” then Carrick would have a future with this team – but that isn’t an option so I’d move him on which would be better for UTD and for Carrick, himself.
us paddys’s take no shit lads if messi played for ipswich he would be twice as good! haha
“Control the effin ball. Try running for a change. Stop pouting your face will stay that way. You’re too poor to afford a barber so you wear a hairnet?
IS this fucking McDonalds? Are you a fucking midfielder? Do you actually know where this ball fucking goes?
Can you loping around like a fuckin’ Michael Jackson video. Do you even know HOW to shoot a ball?”
Manchuchu – What?
Carrick is mainly useless for United. In the majority of games you would not know he was even playing. An odd time he will get you a goal or hit a 30 yard pass but generally useless and non-existent.