What a fuss we had over the summer concerning the transfer of Dimitar Berbatov. Tottenham Hotspur were not very happy with us and their chairman, Daniel Levy, said all sorts of mean things about Sir Alex Ferguson.
“This is a blatant example of sheer arrogance and interference with one of our players,” Levy said. “The behaviour of both clubs has been disgraceful. We told both clubs very early on that we had no interest in selling Robbie or Dimitar and that they should refrain from pursuing the player. Both clubs arrogantly chose to ignore this request and we now have evidence that both clubs have systematically been working to prise the players away from us.”
So, when Middlesbrough told Daniel Levy on numerous occasions they had no interest in selling Stuart Downing, what did he do? Did he: a) politely refrain from pestering Boro and bidding for Downing like he’d been told, b) arrogantly pursue and interfere with Downing, or c) arrogantly pursue and interfere with Downing, as well as offering an insultingly pitiful transfer fee?
December 30th 2008
“We are not looking to sell during the January transfer window,” said Southgate. “We want to be a stable football club and we believe that the best policy, if we are to make progress, is to keep our best players. We know that there will be a lot of speculation and stories flying around over the next few weeks, most of them without any substance. It’s important that we keep calm. We are not looking to lose our better players.”
January 2nd 2009
“Spurs have expressed an interest in Stewart but we’re not interested in selling him,” Southgate said. “We need to keep hold of our best players.”
January 3rd 2009
Spurs put in £6 mill bid for Downing.
January 4th 2009
“Who on earth do Spurs think they are?” said Keith Lamb, Boro’s chief executive. “They bleated away when Dimitar Berbatov left for Manchester United in the summer – but they sold at top dollar. Then they want to snatch other players for derisory offers and try to unsettle players. That is what has happened here. Their offer is a joke. Why would we sell our best players to our nearest rivals? Stewart is going nowhere.”
January 5th 2009 AM
“I repeat: none of our senior players will be leaving the Riverside Stadium this month,” said Steve Gibson, Boro chairman. “We’ve got a talented group of players and it’s time for us to knuckle down and focus on the job in hand. As far as we’re concerned, this is now an end to the matter.”
“I can confirm that we have received an offer from Spurs for Stewart Downing and I can also confirm that we have rejected that offer,” Gibson said. “I’ve spoken to Daniel Levy and told him categorically that their interest is not welcome. I’ve also told him that we will not entertain any further offers for Stewart or, for that matter, any other senior member of our squad.”
January 5th 2009 PM
Spurs put in £11 million bid for Downing
January 6th 2009
“I am adamant that nobody will be leaving in January and that Gareth Southgate will be working with the same squad of players at the beginning of February,” said Gibson. “The January transfer window is feeding time for the sharks. But we will fight to keep this squad together because we know we have a lot of quality here.”
January 7th 2009
Spurs put in a £14.5 million bid for Downing
United were told Berbatov was not for sale, but we continued to bid after him regardless. Levy slaughtered us in the press for doing so, calling us ‘arrogant’ and ‘disgraceful’. Boro say they will not sell the player, over and over, yet Tottenham arrogantly and disgracefully continue to pursue him too. Berbatov wanted to leave Spurs and Downing wants to leave Boro. Somehow Levy thinks it’s acceptable for him to continue pursuing a player whose club have said is not for sale, but when someone does it to one of his players, he’s all over the press every day. Levy called United hypocrites for doing this because of Ronaldo and Real Madrid, then he goes on to behave in exactly the same way.
Daniel Levy, what a wanker.
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I cant wait to hear what Spurs fans think of all this??? Preferably the muppets that were on here in the summer spewing shite to us over the Berbatov deal…
I’m not a Man U fan but can totally understand your anger at the Hypocritical Spurs, some of them are still thinking they can finish in the top 4 this season,
best not to feel anger at the deluded, it will only make them think they have something to hope for
What’s matter Daniel Levy?Moral highground is getting a bit shaky?Levy’s company ENIC 10n years ago bought the club i support in Greece AEK Athens and they nearly run it to the ground.I have no sympathy whatsoever for that cunt.Hey guys have you heard the news?United’s defense for Vidic is based on the fact that AC Milan’s Kakha Kaladze was also sent off in the Club World Cup 2007 final but he still competed in Milan’s first game of the last 16 tie with Arsenal!I just checked it and it is true.He got a straight red but still played at the Emirates.That means that if UEFA don’t pull an FA on us and show they have it in for us,Nemanja will be allowed to play in the San Siro!Did you see how Mourinho conviniently forgot about Kaladze?And you can expect him to cry a lot should Vidic play at Milan.I wonder how his wife puts up with him!
Didn’t we all whine about Real pursuing Ronaldo, while in the same time repeat again and again that Spurs shouldn’t stop Berbatov following his dream?
being a spurs supporter i find the whole situation a joke…why go in a with a formal bid of 6m then up it to 14.5m ?, the answers no at any level levy, walk away he is not that good at all
obviously it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out there has been some more than gentle hints put in to the press to encourage downing to submit a transfer request and maybe there is a case for tapping up but come on when doesnt that happen ? berbatov, keane sagas were a joke also
i think most spurs fans will admit downing is best staying in middlesborough
Hang about, what exactly have Spurs done here? They have bid for a player, through the official channels. That is it. Harry Redknap has not come out saying he will sign Downing like Ferguson did.
In fact, he has publically stated that he is keeping out of the whole transfer saga.
SAF as well as the club itself never told the press that they wanted Dimitar Berbatov.Did we unsettle him inadvertidly through the whole transfer speculation?Possibly.But we never did what Calderon and Schuster did.They acted as if Ronaldo was theirs!They even pulled the slave card!I am not saying United have handled every transfer by the book but they never reached the lows that the fasists did last summer.
The main diffrence here is that in the Summer Man U put in a number of offers for Berbatov. Your manager consistently spoke in the press that he wanted him, probably tapping him, definitly picking him up from the airport without permission, announced that they had agreed terms, holding a metaphorical gun to levy’s head.
In this case, Spurs put in an offer, rejected. Put in another offer, rejected with plenty of verbal abuse sent towards us. The player put in an official transfer request (which Berbatov did not), therefore any club in the world is able to put in another offer.
Finally a “insultingly pitiful” offer?! Like the 18 mill Man U offered for Berbatov originally, and the 7 mill they offered for Carrick?!! Thats if you value Downing at 15 mill!!! Most people would not. Admittedly he’s worth the same as Bentley, who is also massively overpriced!
Oh forgot to mention the biggest hypocrite in the world, Ferguson bleating on about Ronaldo being tapped up by Real, after years of their behaviour in the transfer market!
Seems to me that Levy has realised that this is how you guys work and we should do the same. You did it with carrick aswell when we said we didn`t want to sell then with Berbatov, Liverpool with Keane and they tried it with Barry. The FA did nothing about it as the old saying goes if you can`t beat them join them.
It`s every clubs/chairmans/managers progative to be upset about losing one of there biggest assets.
Just like Man Utd fans though to forget what Fergie has said about Real Madrid trying to sign Ronaldo.
By the way if Man Utd/Fergie did nothing wrong in the Berba deal why then pay money to our charity fund to avoid us pursuing the matter further?
Verdict Guilty.
I think you’re all missing a very important fact. Tottenham made a bid and MIDDLESBOROUGH made it public. Spurs only commented that they were interested after Steve Gibson told SSN they had made an offer. The difference between this and the berbatov issue was that no bid had been received or made public by spurs before stories started to come out from utd about being interested. Berbatov made it very clear when he signed for utd that he was made aware utd wanted him a long time ago.
Can i suggest those of you who jump on the media band wagon ensure you know the facts before you make yourself look a little daft.
The truth is not just black and white, and I think United acted better than both Real and Tottenham. However, Fergie said that he’d like to sign Berbatov if the Spurs are willing to sell, and this is exactly the same thing that Calderon repeated again and again. The Spanish tabloids wrote lots of stuff but so did the English.
Anyway, there’s one difference. One year before joining United, Berbatov signed a new contract with Tottenham, and after that said in front of a Bulgarian newspaper that he wanted to help the team qualify for the CL, and was promised they’d let him go in case they don’t manage to do this. I believed him then, and that’s the reason I don’t like Levi.
We will beat em in FA Cup and in Carling cup if and when we get through. Arrogance of the highest order by the Spuds.
Invertedquestionmark, like Costas said, I dont think United are whiter than white when it comes to transfers, but Levy made it out that Spurs were (and Im not talking bout their jerseys), he was being hypocritical and was trying to make us look like a right shower of pricks in front of everyone, thats what pissed me off.
As for the Ronaldo issue, the main problem I had there was with the Ronaldo himself and the comments he was (and wasnt) making. Real were just looking after their own interests (albeit in a poor manner). That said, Real are still a shower of cunts, no doubt, and they are more of a circus than a football club at this stage. But I do get the point you were making.
Dont really understand why this surprises anyone ! Levy is pathetic im amazed he has held on to power at Spurs Half of the Berbatov fee went into paying off Ramos etc . Harry saved his bucking neck .
man u held out over the berbatov until the last minute of the transfer as the original offer was not accepted as it was too low and man u knew that and so did levy …levy held out and got 30 mill!….he is worth it…..man u were reported for tapping up berbatov well b4 . what would be appropriate to do so..whatever you call it…as it was percieved as such by martin jol…liverpool gave keane a similar type of thing which they gave money to a spurs charity to maintain good relations with thfc…….net affect has been a turmoil at the club needing a reset with harry redknapp
who sir alex gets on with as sir alex sees spurs more like a football club now.
our interest in downing coincides with the transfer window which is normal
and an offer was refused this is ok….. levy simply is keeping spurs afloat as we move on…..defoe did not want to leave…but left to keep his england career alive as cappello wants players playing regular….berb and keane kept defoe out at the time he left……..
the shame for the EPL is the partnership of berba and keane is no more …
it was awesome…….campbell was a solution for both clubs he will return to man u a more experienced player….
the problem with berba was he had an attitude on the pitch which upset
the fans as he was playing knowing man u position………
Sir alex is a legend in his acheivements and is respected at spurs ……
loose bussiness talk can cause much harm! in the high octane of the
modern game .also the media creates more bullshit ….adding fuel
we look forward to to the games ahead!!
Cmon u Spurs!!
I agree with North Stand…
Football is a dirty business, all transfers are pretty similar, club wants player, player wants to go, club doesn’t want to sell. Spurs fans can whine and whinge at the end of the day about transfer requests, and disclosure to the press (which is bollocks anyway because we all knew spurs were going in for Downing pre-transfer window), but at the end of the day it means shit all.
The reason Levy is a cunt is because he’s a hypocrite, as described in the first place. It’s not the same for United with Ronaldo vs. Berbatov, because the reason Ronaldo didn’t leave is because he didn’t want to – it took him a while to make his mind up, but in the end he didn’t want to go. That makes Real absolute dip shits because the transfer was never going to happen because the player decided, in the end, that he didn’t want to go.
Wiuru…
Stick to the facts. Whilst i can not deny Fargie is one of, if not the ,most successful manager; he is also by far more arrogant than most managers or chairman around. This is why is acts “above the law” when it comes to transfers. If someone can please indicate what it is that spurs have done that is against the rules of football and possible transfers please let me know. As far as i know they placed a bid, went back with better offers and they were rejected. The only club talking openly about this is boro. Redknapp made a comment in reply to steve gibsons about being interested. This is obvious as Steve Gibson previously made a statement to SSN about it. (who didn’t know we were interested after that). Had boro never gone public this would have been going on in the background without anyone’s knowledge. Something tells me Boro intend to sell and will force every last penny out of spurs. This is there right as downing is their player. No differend to spurs selling berbatov to utd for top dollar. A player under contract is worth what a team is willing to pay.
shepsii, I’m afraid not, Ronaldo just realized United could afford to leave him on the bench.
Spurs fans, wake up and smell the fucking shit!!! Like Shepsil said, football is a dirty business, and we’re all to blame and all the victims at some level. Yeah, United get involved in the odd suspect deal, and we use our weight to push deals through, but so do all clubs, its just we’re bigger than most (bigger than all, actually) so its more noticed.
Ye whined yer way through the summer crying about foul play, as if yer shite didnt stink. Pathetic.
The two names that always spring up here in this debate are the young lad Bostock ye stole from Palace, and the way ye took Ramos from Spain.
Pot, Kettle, Black. Deal with it and stop fucking whinging.
Gadge, the problem with the deal is that Boro said he wasnt for sale and for Spurs to fuck off. Ye made an insulting bid to unsettle the lad (after he’d been tapped up before the window), and Spurs ignored Boros request to back off, and made an improved bid. Yes, its all within the rules, but it also lacks respect. Im not saying yer wrong, its the way deals are done, but dont preach on here that ye play by the rules and no one else does, yer as bad as the next guy…
Northstand….
I’m not preaching that spurs are better than utd or another club for that fact.
I actually agree with you. I am sure clubs use underhand tactics that neither the media or fans are aware of but unfortunatley we can only go off what we know, the facts. What i am trying to say is this – I never once complained about the berbatov deal, at the end of the day he wanted to go and spurs made sure they got as much as they could.
My point is (whether moral or not) spurs played it by the book –
Bostock – Young lad, hadn’t signed pro papers and was made an offer. Levy was quoted as offerin £2mill. Jordon didn’t accept and it went to tribunal where they settled on 500K
Ramos – It is only illegal to approach an english sides manager. There is no ligislation to prevent any club talking to a foreign clubs manager. Blame the rule book. (morally wrong maybe)
Downing – Placed bids, rejected. It’s simple. This will only go so far because spurs will be priced out. Why make it public, why not just keep saying no until spurs can’t afford it.
All i am saying is this – People are quick to jump on the bandwagon of media articles without actually considering the facts. Whilst i may not agree with the whole courting of berbatov its obvious he wanted out, i just think fergie should have been a little less obvious about it. (pciking him up from the airport)
and lets not forget – Levy said berbatov wasn’t for sale……….
More importantly, Levy’s an idiot, Gill is not…Feguson and Redknapp are as bad as each other when it comes to matters like this but our club is run properly, not like Spurs with Gollum in charge.
‘How To Run a Football Club, by D Levy. Chapter 5: Transfers.
January 2008: Tottenham sell Jermain Defoe to Portsmouth for £7.5 million.
March 2008: Defoe scores eight goals in seven games for Portsmouth.
May 2008: Portsmouth finish eighth in Premier League, three places above Tottenham
August 2008: Tottenham sell Robbie Keane.
September 2008: Tottenham sell Dimitar Berbatov
January 2009: Tottenham, now five places behind Portsmouth, buy Jermain Defoe back for £15 million. ‘
from Mike Norrish in the Daily Telegraph
Spurs were turned away from the Premier League panel when Levy turned up with his ‘dossier’ about our supposed tapping up of Berbatov. They required more evidence.
So when you take the tapping up allegation away, there is nothing separating the sides.
Spurs didn’t want to sell Berbatov, but United carried on bidding for him anyway, after offering a ridiculously low figure to begin with.
Boro don’t want to sell Downing, but Spurs have carried on bidding for him anyway, after offering a ridiculous low figure to begin with.
Levy slammed United for doing EXACTLY what he is doing now, just a few months later. He said despite being told Berbatov wasn’t for sale, we ‘arrogantly’ and ‘disgracefully’ continued to pursue him. They are doing EXACTLY the same thing after they have been told Downing isn’t for sale.
Gadge, don’t all clubs say so and so are not for sale to drive the price up?
I think everyone new Berbatov was going to move on in the summer and Levy wanted to drive his price up as much as posible, and fair play to him he achieved his task, but rally did you think Berbatov was going to stay at Spurs this season?
Actually you have it wrong. Until this week no Spurs official has commented to the press about Downing. The first comment has been from ‘borough’s load mouth Chairman and their Manager. Downing has since got wind of it and become unsettled.Then Redknapp said Middlesborough don’t have to sell if they don’t want to. Whereas another load mouth Northerner, Ferguson, was constantly quoted refering to Berbatov.
Stephen….
Quite right. Thats my point – All i am saying is that the only person that made this public knowledge was Steve Gibson. I agree clubs will contiune to offer money until they are priced out. As i said earlier, a player is only worth what a club is willing to pay. A player is under contract so a club can demand what they want. Spurs did it to utd, boro are doing it spurs. I don’t mind this and am certainly not complaining. I just want to make it clear that all this “unsettling” spurs are doing was created by gibson making the offers public. Neither levy or redknapp initiated using the media but all of a sudden spurs are accused of unsettling player when i don’t see what they have done wrong in this instance.
Because of what Levy done we got £30 Mil for Berba and £20 Mil for Keane what a genius Levy is.
£18 il for Carrick aswell when he was coming to the last year of his contract managed to get Mansion as sponsors (3rd biggest shirt deal in the prem ahead of Arsenal) hes got Spurs in the top 10 rich list in the world.
Levy your a class act be as hypocritical as you want my son.
Spurs – so why did the Premier League panel turn your complaint away, citing lack of evidence as the reason? That dossier Levy claimed to have was a load of bollocks.
You read quotes in the paper, they didn’t come from Fergie.
But Levy did the same with regards to Berbatov and Keane, Ferguson never made to the media his interest in Berbatov show, until Levy started to speak to the press about his feelings, the same as Gibson.
The difference is that I believe that Spurs always new Berbatov was going to leave, but once Keane left it put them in a position with the fans and they felt they had to make a front, knowing Berbatov was still going to be sold.
Also Borough do not want to sell regardless and spurs new deep down Berbatov would be sold.
Scots The Red the panel didn`t turn it down they said we need more information and rather then have Levy go back with the info Manu Utd decided to give money to the Tottenham Hotspur foundation on the basis we drop our complaint.
Why pay for us to drop the complaint if your not in the wrong?
The bloke is a twat. Simple
Is that the same genius who sold Defoe 12 months ago for £9m and thren bought him back for £15.75?
If we held on to Defoe for another year he could have left for free so on that note we bought a striker for £6.75 mil. The fact that the then management team were not going to give him enough playing time is the reason he would have left for free so Levy the genius he is managed to sell a player into the last year of his contract for £9 Mil plus £4 Mil sell on clause which was very good business at the time.
We still only paid £15.75 Mil for a proven English goal scorer who has been on fire so far and back in the England reckoning. We got £20 mil for Robbie Keane how many goals has he scored again? What about Berba do you think he is worth £30 Mil?
Levy done what needed to be done then buy selling Defoe for as much as possible (under the circumstances) and has done what needs to be done now buy bringing him back.
Fair play to Levy.
“Because of what Levy done we got £30 Mil for Berba and £20 Mil for Keane what a genius Levy is.
£18 il for Carrick aswell when he was coming to the last year of his contract managed to get Mansion as sponsors (3rd biggest shirt deal in the prem ahead of Arsenal) hes got Spurs in the top 10 rich list in the world.
Levy your a class act be as hypocritical as you want my son.”
And lost £8 over a year on Defoe. And paid £7 for Kaboul. And paid £18 for Bent. Who would you rather have, Bent or Carrick? Not a difficult decision, ask anyone who doesn’t support Spurs or United and they’ll go with Carrick everytime. And at the end of the day, that’s judging his performance by money, why don’t we judge it as to where they are in the premiership? And how he tried to appoint a director of football and a manager, despite the fact that the most successful 6 sides in the premiership again and again (Villa, Arse, United, Scouse x 2) have one man and one man only in charge?
Not a class act in my book.
Don’t start quoting flop transfers, it won’t take long before someone chucks veron at you…. ooops i just did
Which points to address first how much did you guys pay for Veron? Kleberson? Djemba Djemba? Teams buy players that don`t work out not just Spurs how diluded and one sighted are you?
Bent when bought was the highest goalscoring englishmen in the Prem two seasons running thats right more than Rooney, Owen, Crouch, Defoe. He was 23 years of age so I can understand it.
Lets not judge his performance by money but by league position well without the money you couldnt compete in the premiership so that statement doesn`t really make any sense at all. Wouldn`t you judge the managers on league positions rather than chairman?
Apart from the so called big four every club would like to be able to generate as much funds for players have recently.
Depsite the most succesful 6 sides in the premiership again what are you basing that on by including Villa and Everton?
We came fifth twice, have been in the UEFA cup three years running and we done this while we had a DOF so over recent times have been more succesful than any other club (not including big 4) in the prem.
Football is a World game so why just look at the prem i understand why Levy had a DOF because some of the most succesful clubs in the WORLD do.
He tried gave his idea all his backing didn`t go as well as planned so is trying a different route and again given all his backing.
How does my criticism of levy infer I think united’s transfer past is perfect? Of course it doesn’t! But we’re talking about levy and spurs so don’t try and change the subject
and the chairman is of course responsible for the job done by all staff he employs including the manager so he is responsible for the failures you admitted to.
well ok cut 6 down to 5 by getting rid of everton, undeniable that villa right now are closer to top 4, hell they’re even in it at the moment. can you remind me please where spurs are? their position somewhere between fulham and west brom is so anonymous I’ve forgotten.
Come on boys come up with something original, we have never heard the Veron jibe before…
Ps we sold him for £16m to the rent boys.
Ofcourse hes responsible for his staff they were poor so he got rid of like any decent chairman would do are you suggesting that he should know how his staff are going to/be like before hiring? So we had a bad start to the season i agree and Villa are having a good season but your seriusoly blaming the chairman for that?
“How does my criticism of levy infer I think united’s transfer past is perfect? Of course it doesn’t! But we’re talking about levy and spurs so don’t try and change the subject”
How does your criticism of levy infer uou think uniteds past is perfect and im changing the subject? Look you criticised certain points including transfers how else can i retort without making comparisons to aother clubs which you seem to be doing by comparing us with Villa. The comparisons i made were to justify the stupidity of the comment you made regarding our transfer dealings.
Liverpool are runs so well that they are how many Millions in debt?
Arsenal are runs so well that they cannot spend much money because of there debts (because of there stadium)
Chelsea are run so well that there owners and chairmans don`t have any money avaiable for players yet all these clubs create extra revenue from champion league football that we don`t receive but were much more financially stable.
Hence Levy is a Genius.
Please don`t forget we are still in 3 cup competions so at this particular point in the season we may still be deemed more succesful then Villa only the end of the season will tell.
I also believe running a premiership football club without any debt could qualify someone as doing a good job. Less can be said about the owners of Utd and other “top 4″ sides. Remind me, was it 500 or 600 mill that the glaziers had to borrow to buy utd, which inturn plundged you into debt.
James Brown and all you ignorant Spurs fans: Fergie said on SKY Sports News back in July that he had bid for a PLAYER that will enhance the squad, no name was mentioned, what part of the word player do you cunts not understand. It was the cheap newspaper known as the Sun which no doubt you twats all buy which quoted Berbabtovs name, not Fergie. How many more times are you doughnuts gonna throw that shit statement in, in comparison to this situation. Gadge – we may be in debt, but we are TRIPLE Champions – shit retort. Your’e shit and we’re Champions………..
Kings if you did nothing wrong why pay money into the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation aslong as we drop our complaint?
King –
Funny old thing football, if reports coming out of uefa are to be belived (platini). Then there will soon be a clampdown on football clubs entering european competition whilst they are unable to run the club within their own means. Remind me, you turnover £200+mill a season, how much of this is profit? I’d just like to get an idea of how long it will take your club to clear that much debt.
This report was published and also had the backing of Mr Blatter. It is unlikely this will be implemented immediately as to give clubs time to sort the finance out but do you honestly believe you can clear 500mill soon.
Perhaps you can read the report from your baby chair. Your “retort” is something i would expect from a child.
Liverpool paid a ‘donation’ to the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation. I can’t seem to find any sources of information which back up your claim about United though. Feel free to post an article which refers to it though. All I can find is info about Liverpool’s donation.
As for the Premier League panel needing more information, do you think Levy left the crucial information at home? He just brought SOME of his evidence in front of the panel and left the stuff that would see us done for tapping up at home?
After having ago at us for reading quotes in a newspaper you want me to post an article?
I just want any proof to support your claim. I’ve never heard anything about us making a donation to the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation, only Liverpool.
How do you know about it? I filter through United related news on a daily basis and I’d never heard anything about it. Did you see it in a newspaper article? Statement from your club? I’ve just had a quick look around Google and can’t see anything.
So, do you have any proof or are you just making stuff up to try and prove your argument?
Pot? kettle? Black?
very short memories.
Berbatov, Hargreaves, Carrick
Well i suppose your going to prove that “That dossier Levy claimed to have was a load of bollocks.”
How do you know that?
Do you have any proof or are you just making stuff up to try and prove your argument? Do you have any newspaper articles or statements to confirm that dossier Levy claimed to have was a load of bollocks ?
So you don’t have any proof that United paid money to the Tottenham Hotspur Foundation, you just made it up? Hilarious. You can’t make a point so you just lie instead. Well done.
My proof that Levy’s dossier was a load of bollocks is that the Premier League panel sent him away and told him to come back with some proper evidence. They couldn’t charge United with tapping up based on the evidence he had collected. Unless you want me to believe Levy left the most crucial evidence at home, then it’s clear to all his ‘proof’ was a load of crap.
Jonny – you’ve touched on the WHOLE POINT of the article, well done! Spurs weren’t happy with how United conducted themselves over transfers, putting in bids and not giving up on the player despite being told he wasn’t for sale. Now you are doing exactly the same thing to Boro. Pot, kettle, black – my point exactly!
are you suggesting that he should know how his staff are going to/be like before hiring?
Yes absolutely! That’s what a decent employer is supposed to do, it’s why we have these things called “interviews”.
As for the debt as previously discussed I’m not going to let a discussion about how much of a cunt your chairman is get diverted onto irrelevant issues.
Bitter spurs ABU army always crawling around articles talking utter drivel, move on lads.
My point was football is very hypocritical. I’m surprised you are marvelling over the fact Tottenham has now broken the same rules as you.
You didn’t have to sift through 100s (and I mean 100s) of abusive comments from Spurs fans in regard to the Berbatov incident. The utter outrage that we could continue to be interested in their player despite being told he wasn’t for sale resulted in calling us all the Munich cunts under the sun.
Now your club have behaved in the same way.
I’m not surprised about this, rather I’m enjoying pointing the fact out. I think Levy is a proper cunt for how he handled the situation in the summer so obviously wasn’t going to miss out on the opportunity to show him up as a proper cunt.
Tottenham had actual already broken ‘the same rule’ as us when they tapped up Ramos and that kid from crystal palace, you then got on your high horse with keane and Berbatov (more so with Berbatov) which was already hypocritical in itself but then not only that you know go and do it again straight after all the fuss you fucking made!
its funny how you all call United hypocrites yet your just as bad, actually your even worse.
By the way if Man Utd/Fergie did nothing wrong in the Berba deal why then pay money to our charity fund to avoid us pursuing the matter further?
Verdict Guilty.
that was liverpool, look levy and redknapp have done to downing and defoe exactly what SAF did to berbatov , they clearly have double standards ,
just accept it and don;t deny the obvious truth
ps ask palace about the behaviour of spurs in their transfer dealings
Red Manc – Read the rule book!!
It was not tapping up Ramos because there is no rule against aproaching a manager from a club outside of england.
Tjay lad from palace was called bostock and he hadn’t signed professional papers for any club. We offered him a contract and he accepted. As i had previously said levy offered palace 2mill compensation as you have to do for a youngster and they refused. It went to a tribunal and they agreed 500k. The reason Jordon took offence was because of the tribunal system only settled for 500k when he believed it should be far more.
So, any other examples?
Gadge – you’re missing the point. Levy slated United to all the press because we ‘arrogantly’ decided to ignore their statement that Berbatov wasn’t for sale. You’ve done the same to Boro over Downing.
The tapping up argument is pointless. The Premier League turned that case away, saying there wasn’t enough evidence.
Jimmybob – Don’t confuse us with Liverpool. If you had bothered to read through the comments on this page, you will have seen it has already been established that United didn’t pay any such money to your Foundation.
Scott – I’m not trying to get in an argument with anyone. I’m not even defending the behavior of Levy who on occassions (the berba fiasco) has been far too outspoken for my liking and i agree made spurs look a joke.
But i have to disagree with the accusation that we tapped up Downing. We made a bid, which we are entitled do, they refused (two bids i believe). Not once has levy made any comment about downing. Redknapp has mentioned his name once following up on a statement from gibson that they refused our bid. With all due respect you can’t call that tapping up, everyone and their dog knew we were interested once he spoke to skysports.
I’m not going to comment on other transfers anymore as it’ll probably go off track again.
For people to call it “unsettling a player” they must read something i haven’t.
For the record – I think the whole berba fiasco did no favours to either clubs reputation and could have been handled far better as far as both chairman/manager are concerned
Gadge, I understand where you’re coming from, but I think you’re being a bit naive regarding Spurs attempts to get Downing. Once a bid goes into Boro, the unsettling of the player has started. Just because Spurs dont talk about him through the media (like some Spurs fans here wrongly suggested United did about Berbatov) means very little.
The lad already knows Spurs are in for him (in with a very poor bid I might add), and he sees them coming back in with a higher bid, after being told by Boro not to bother. If Spurs were the good guys here, they wouldnt of come back with a higher bid after being told not too.
Whether Redknapp and Levy sing his name from the rooftops, or lie in the long grass and say nothing, its all the one, the lad already wants out. They’re all different styles of the same buying tactics. I dont have a problem with it, its how these things are done, my problem is the Spurs fans are still under the illusion that yer doing things in a perfect manner, unlike we did. Our point is that yer the same as the rest, but yer in denial about it, which is being hypocritical.
North stand – I think on a certan level i agree with you also (becoming a habit this)
But to take a view that putting a bid in is in turn unsettling a player then every club in the proffessional game is guilty of it and we should all accept that clubs, managers, chairman alike are a bunch of pimping whores and us fans are the only respectable people out there.
On that note – i ‘think’ we may have come to a ‘kind’ of agreement so i must really start to do some work.
Been fun discussing
Gadge
Levy is a genius for what, making a few quid on transfers, is that all you guys have to crow about? You are 16th in the table joint points with Stoke who are in the bottom three, jesus if that guy is a genius what is Fergie? (I am looking forward to the original alcoholic jibes)
Gadge, you are a helmet. I clearly stated that I am aware we are in debt, something I’m not happy about, but it’s about what is achieved on the pitch that matters to me, and based on what we have achieved in the last 12 months I am more than happy thank you. Losers like you make a point of the debt and overlook the results on the pitch, trying to cover the cracks of your own joke of a football clubs failings. ‘Baby chair’. Another piss poor comeback. Fuck off and post shit on your own site about how giddy you are after beating Burnley last night.
Can the Spurs fans please point me in the direction of quotes by Ferguson saying he wanted Berbatov (besides the made up ones from the Norwegian fan club). All I see to remember is Ferguson saying he wanted to sign someone, however never mentioning a name.
The fact is we were probably in the wrong with the Berbatov transfer, and we have probably been in the wrong with others previously, and Spurs have done EXACTLY to Boro what they complained about us doing to them. Therefore they are being hypocrites. In fact, they are being hypocrites about calling us hypocrites!
However no matter which way you look at it, no club, I repeat, no club is innocent when it comes to buying players that they want. There is always dirty tactics involving agents and the media.
What Real Madrid did last summer was on a different level to everything and I don’t even want to bring them into it, it was ridiculous how they got away with doing what they did. Basically telling Ronaldo to put in a transfer request via interviews with Marca etc. Dispicable.
Personally I have no grudge against Spurs, I just think that Daniel Levy is a prick and has fucked Spurs up over the last few seasons.
King……..”gadge you are a helmet” – Pathetic.
The point about the debt was to suggest that if its not brought into line they are suggesting you would no longer be legible for european competition. In no way did i try and use it as an attack on your success, its obvious to anyone with football knowledge that utd’s success has not been bought but more earned. My point was that the Glaziers may have put you in a little bit of a situation by borrowning all that money to buy the club. If you were to be kicked out of european competition because of the glaziers not only would it impact on your club financially but it would also be a difficult task to bring that debt in line. Personally i enjoy watching Utd play in europe and long may it continue, it promotes the premier league and English football as a whole but i am sure you wouldn’t be so accepting of the debt if you were no longer in it!
bring on the insults…..
Where’s the Spurs fan claiming United donated money to a Spurs charity? Don’t tell me he just ran away after his claims were shown to be false? Sad.
As a spurs fan i can definitely conform Utd paid no money to the “spurs foundation”. liverpool were the only club to so!
Gadge, you and I both know that would be imposible to enforce.