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Scott is the editor of Red Matters - 50 Years of Supporting Manchester United and an author of Play Like Fergie's Boys and Not Nineteen Forever. He writes for ESPN, The Metro and Bleacher Report. Follow @R_o_M on Twitter.

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131 Comments

  1. In David We Trust says:

    AntiScouser and slayer – yea, lets go down the chelsea road, sack managers who cannot win the CL, and we end up with 7 or 8 managers, and then we are stuck with benitez. Look at Real Madrid, how much did they spend since 2009? took CR7, kaka, benzema, alonzo, ozil and allot more, and since 2009, their project has been nothing short of disaster, they still cannot win the european cup. Is mourinho past it? that he cannot win a CL with some of the most talented group of players, ever essembled. This is why, fans ownership would be a complete joke, because it shows here, even a small minority think the best way forward is for ferguson to get the sack, or retire. Anyone who thinks sir alex ferguson should retire does not know football. The boss delivers trophy’s year in year out, hey here is a great stat for this so called manager past his best, 2011/12 season was the first time since 2005 did he fail to win a trophy, if Ferguson went down the arsene wenger road, and failed to win anything in nearly 10 years, then you have a case

  2. AntiScouser says:

    @Sparkz

    “5 titles and 3 CL finals in the last 7 seasons….and people think Fergie should retire lol, utter rubbish.”

    Interesting how you’ve opted to count only the last 7 seasons. Why not the last 10 seasons? In fact, why not the last 25? In that period we’ve won the CL only twice. Mourinho has won it twice in the last 9 years, Bayern have played 2 (soon to be 3) finals in 4 years, Barca has played in every SF since 2008, even Liverpool have reached the final twice, winning it once.

  3. Sparkz says:

    @Wayne – Disagree on Jones tbh. Great energy and tackling, and I’d definitely use him there for special occasions (i.e. Madrid). But he’s not good enough on the ball. For a side like Utd who generally have a lot of the ball….having one CM who’s as limited on the ball as him is no use.

    I think he could be a world class defender, but in CM he’s only slightly better than Alan Smith was.

  4. In David We Trust says:

    AlphaRS – ah right, sorry about that, just I sometimes like to highlight some fans on here do not give enough credit. Dortmund is just another feeder club, bayern will have their turn, or they could be just another juventus, bottle it in finals. I do not really read leacherreports, as some of their articles borderline insanity. When I see decline, when united have won another title, I laugh. Ferguson’s only fault, is not buying enough quality in the midfield, as guys like nani anderson fletcher have declined, valencia has gone downhill, young is no better than park with a bit of more pace. while scholes and giggs are past it over a whole season, they are only good coming in now and then. The side is still in need of rebuilding, but there are pieces in place for yet another dominating spell for united, it just needs more meat

  5. Sparkz says:

    @Anti Scouser – I mentioned the last 7 years because it was around 05/06 that people like you said Fergie couldn’t evolve with the times. Fact is, he’s been at the top of the game for over 25 years so clearly he knows how to move with the times.

    As for our record in Europe :

    1) Despite the stick we get…do you realise that AC Milan are the ONLY side to get to more European Cup finals than us in 1992? I don’t think people realise how difficult it is to consistently do well in that tournament.

    2) Mourinho has spent a shedload of money at every club he’s been at. Ask him to BUILD a successful European team like Fergie and I don’t think his record would be as good. He’s brilliant at quick, short term success but you’re comparing apples with oranges here.

    3) You can mention “25 years” but we only started playing in the European Cup in 1993. (4 finals in 20 years isn’t too shabby is it?). And then bear in mind the 3 foreigner rule that was in place for those first few years. If that rule was still in place then the likes of Mourinho’s Inter (not a single Italian player in their final team) wouldn’t even be let in the tournament.

  6. In David We Trust says:

    Sparkz – let us not forget how we were robbed in 2004 against porto, if we had beaten porto, no question would we have won the european cup. And we were screwed with the ferdinand suspension.

  7. wayne says:

    Sparkz my point was mate when asked to play there he isn’t a liability,some fans make out that he weakens the team which i disagree with.Yesterday he was Utd’s liveliest player,he breaks up plays drives forward and links up well.I want to see Utd sign a couple of quality midfielders it’ll put this team over the top and make us the dominant force in Europe

  8. AntiScouser says:

    @Sparkz

    “it was around 05/06 that people like you”

    Ridiculous. You have no idea what I was thinking in 2005., and apart from it being incorrect, your characterization of my criticism is a pathetic attempt to slander someone who you disagree with.

    I do understand how hard it is, but unlike you, I wouldn’t mind us actually winning a couple more. If you look at teams which have won the CL, can you honestly say that our current crop could legitimately match any of them?

    Mourinho has won 2 in 9 years, has played in 5 SF in that period. SAF has won 2 in 25 years and played in 5 SF in that period. Which one is a better record?

    I never said 4 finals in 20 years was shabby. Winning it three times in our history is.

  9. In David We Trust says:

    AntiScouser – if nani did not got sent off, I could have seen united beating madrid 2 or 3 0. Was last season’s chelsea team that won the european cup any good? no. I think the current team is still under construction, with the added addition of zaha, which will give united that something different out wide, and I expect 2 more big signings, united are going to be terrifying next season. compare the barcelona squad to united’s, I think united’s is far stronger. I think united can match the Germans, who Dortmund are going to lose more players. United showed they can compete with the likes of Madrid. The CL is crap shoot, anyone can win it, even barcelona could not win back to back European cups. And they look like a total mess

  10. AntiScouser says:

    @In David We Trust

    Ah, here we go again with the “if Nani didn’t get sent off” routine. When Nani was sent off, we we 1:0 up. Instead of thinking what could have been had Nani stayed on, why not ask oneself was there anything that could’ve been done to preserve our lead once Nani was sent off?

  11. kanchelskis says:

    @IDWT

    The red card was exceptionally harsh, but you can pretty much point to a refereeing decision for any cup tournament exit. What separates good teams from truly great teams is the ability to overcome even those significant obstacles on a consistent enough basis to win big trophies.

    Look at 99. We played the FINAL without either of our first-choice central midfielders. Such was the quality across the rest of the pitch, and the strength of belief among the squad, that they were able to triumph in spite of that.

    If we had a truly great team, we would’ve seen out the half hour at home against Madrid with 10 men. A great team is one where you don’t need to look back and say ‘if only Nani hadn’t been sent off’, ‘if only Porto hadn’t scored an offside goal’.

    A great team ensures the margins between them and their opponent are so great that even the unfair decisions can’t lose you the tie.

  12. AntiScouser says:

    @kanchelskis

    Exactly.

  13. kanchelskis says:

    @AntiScouser

    We agree on something! Let’s enjoy the moment, shall we?

    ;-)

  14. In David We Trust says:

    AntiScouser – there is not a side on the planet that could have kept Madrid out, when you have that many goal scoring threats on the field as Madrid had, to expect united to keep it up for 40 plus mins with 10 men, you are asking miracles. I do not care who they are, chelsea when they were down to 10 men against united, they could not keep united out. Madrid were playing well at the time, they beat barca twice in a week, and to expect united to keep t madrid out with 10 men, with 40 mins to go, never going to happen. Madrid have a bigger goal-scoring threat than barcelona, ronaldo, ozil, benzema, higuan, di maria. No way could united stop on current form, the worlds best player in ronaldo.

  15. Sparkz says:

    AntiScouser says:

    “Ridiculous. You have no idea what I was thinking in 2005., and apart from it being incorrect, your characterization of my criticism is a pathetic attempt to slander someone who you disagree with.”

    I wasn’t specifically referring to YOU – I was more pointing to the general attitude of Fergie’s critics at the time, which was along the lines of “Fergie’s past it, can’t keep up with modern football, unable to adapt to it” etc. And the fact is, he proved those criticisms totally wrong

    “Mourinho has won 2 in 9 years, has played in 5 SF in that period. SAF has won 2 in 25 years and played in 5 SF in that period. Which one is a better record?”

    Different circumstances. As I said in my previous post – if Mourinho was asked to BUILD a team like Fergie, if he had to deal with the 3 foreigner rule like Fergie did, if he took over a club that hadn’t qualified for Europe in over 20 years and was currently serving a 5 year suspension from all European competition like Fergie did………then I’m pretty sure his record would not be “won 2 and 5 SF in 9 years”

    I think he’s a very good manager but being given £100m a summer to quickly put together a European Cup challenging team is VERY different to building one with youth.

    I will agree with you on one thing though……3 European Cups in our entire history is not good enough. But the criticism of Fergie’s record doesn’t take into account his circumstances, and calling for him to retire is utter rubbish IMO

  16. AntiScouser says:

    @kanchelskis

    I would qualify our disagreements as mostly artifical, we converge at various conslusions almost perfectly.

  17. In David We Trust says:

    kanchelskis – That 1999 side had luck in that final, it was not greatness, but pure luck, did united have a man sent off in a final? no. And yes I know about the red card against arsenal. And to say, oh this side is not truly great, is really short sighted. This current united side has the potential to be one of Ferguson’s all time greatest. They blew the competition away in the PL, set some sensational records. If united were down to 10 men against Bayern in the final of 99, we would not be winning the treble. If we are going on truly great united teams, then the 2008 side I would rate far higher than the 99 side, which thew 99 side was has tactically poor has some of Ferguson poor sides. But the current side is on the verge of becoming great again

  18. Sparkz says:

    With regards to our current crop…………as many have pointed out, it’s still in transition. The mere fact that we’re comparing this transitional side with the great sides of the past is a credit to them.

    @AntiScouser – “If you look at teams which have won the CL, can you honestly say that our current crop could legitimately match any of them?”

    Definitely not – YET. But in a couple of years I have no doubt they will be. To run away with the League and come close to beating Madrid like we did, with a developing team, is a very positive sign. Another year’s worth of experience and nurturing and this team could be very special.

    @Kanchelskis – “What separates good teams from truly great teams is the ability to overcome even those significant obstacles on a consistent enough basis to win big trophies.”

    As I said above, we’re definitely not a great team yet. But people act like the Ronaldo inspired team of 2008 just turned up one season and swotted everybody aside. it took a good few years to get there.

    And correct me if I’m wrong – but when that last great team was in transition (2003-2006), they were nowhere near as good as this side currently is.

  19. AntiScouser says:

    @In David We Trust

    “there is not a side on the planet that could have kept Madrid out”

    I have nothing against you holding this opinion, but please understand that some of us are quite sceptical about the “not a side on the planet” part. For good reasons, too.

  20. TheCANTONA says:

    Too many idiots here. Auntie spouting bollocks again & another cunt think hart is better than de gea.

  21. TheCANTONA says:

    The only people who wants SAF out are scousers & their beloved associattes.

  22. Dan-young says:

    Antiscouser .. Uniteds version of piers morgan.

    WE HAVE FOUND OUR NEW CUNT OF THE MONTH.

  23. King Eric says:

    AntiScouser is a fucking idiot. Always posting controversial shit. Yeah lets get Fergie gone you daft cunt. Fergie moves with the fucking times, how else can we explain his record? Europe is just one of those things. Very hard to win. Cup football.

  24. King Eric says:

    Sparkz – Spot on pal. Fergie has been evolving for 27 years at United. I am actually lost for words that some utter ungrateful cunts want Fergie gone. You don’t know you’re fucking born. I actually think Anti Scouser is a dipper as he always brings up European Cups. Spoilt fucking cunts who have probably never even been to a game.

  25. King Eric says:

    Dan Young – He is an idiot pal. NEVER seen him post one positive comment. EVER. Always having snide digs.

  26. Diego says:

    Wayne:
    Jones is a liability at CM because he can’t play the ball like Carrick., simple as. You need to be able to pin the ball between opposition players, often with only one touch. Take a bad first touch and the opposition will get the ball. Jones hasn’t got the ability to play that role, not even close. There were many instances against Arsenal where he tried a simple pass and the ball went out of play. Having said that, he looks better in CM (when he has played there) nowadays. That’s where he will play and the sooner this CM experiment ends, the better. When Jones plays CM we lose so much of our fluidity in that area it’s unreal.

  27. Marq says:

    @kanchelski

    “A great team ensures the margins between them and their opponent are so great that even the unfair decisions can’t lose you the tie”

    Like how Bayern are 4 goals better than the current Barca? Are you sure no matter how poor the referee it doesn’t change the result of good teams? How do you explain that result? Because Bayern are so much better than Barca?

  28. Greenhoff the Great says:

    @ In David We Trust …Re: :luck and and the 1999 Cl Final ….Sure we didn’t have a man sent off in that game but we played it without our midfield –Scholes and Keane …. And the luck ( plus Sir Matt whose 90th birthday was on same date) we had in that final made up for the other times when we were unlucky …

  29. King Eric says:

    I am with Wayne. I think Jones does a good job in midfield and at least gets in box. Fluffed his lines a bit but at least got in the positions to score. As Fergie said he could play anywhere.

    Slayer. And who do you replace Scholes and Giggs with? Serious question. As for Rio we will be sound with Jonny, Jones and Smalling.

  30. King Eric says:

    I am with Wayne. I think Jones does a good job in midfield and at least gets in box. Fluffed his lines a bit but at least got in the positions to score. As Fergie said he could play anywhere.

    Slayer. And who do you replace Scholes and Giggs with? Serious question. As for Rio we will be sound with Jonny, Jones and Smalling.

  31. slayer says:

    King Eric: And who do you replace Scholes and Giggs with? Serious question. As for Rio we will be sound with Jonny, Jones and Smalling.

    Well, frankly speaking Giggs and Scholes’ quality are rare. You won’t find that kind of quality in many players. I can’t say I know exactly who can replace him since there not many close to what he brings. For Giggs, Zaha can try to take his place but I think Angel D’Maria or Gareth Bale would be my likely choice. However, they are pretty costly. Scholes… Rooney might be someone to replace him but he is still far from being a Scholes replacement. Nick Powell is young and showed some promises but I think he is not ready yet. I think I’ll go with Christian Eriksen who has good play style and trickery. United might need some trick master and a dribbler to give themselves more advantages and style of play.

    If I did really made any wrong statements, I stand corrected for anything I say. However, opinion differs from a person to another. As there is no 100% certainty things will stay as it is nor there is certainty better and sometimes thing might turn out better. So, for me changes is can be a double edge sword. Whether it might be better or not, it will depends. I believe that the new manager which might replace SAF can deliver the same result and maybe better. Young blood usually bring new changes more than the old one. SAF is always welcomed to give advice as 2 head is better than one.

    But I do want to point out that I don’t mind losing when the team play badly, nor do I like to brag even when United winning. secondly, I prefer winning without any controversies and a sound victory is always great to enjoy while sleeping. Winning and losing are just part and parcel of life. I just prefer at times that United entertain us with some exciting football which sometimes I found it not that much. The match against totenham was a great one. That is what a comeback for me although we did lost. It showed a spirit of not giving up when odds are stacking. In many cases, we don’t see eye to eye but everyone has a feeling for United. Just like a succesful king, some might use a ruthless method to build a strong country, some might use kindness to build it. The methods might differ but the thought is the same. To me criticise is a small part in life. If better, educate them to enlighten them about what they do not see.

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