So the Manchester United players jet off to the Middle East whilst Manchester is frozen over, with snow storm after snow storm, and we’re expected to believe that it’s not just a holiday?
The lads returned from Qatar today after spending a few days at the ASPIRE academy and the manager has been full of praise about the trip.
“It’s been a memorable experience and ASPIRE’s complex is without question the best I have ever seen,” said Ferguson. “Not only that, the operation is so well managed that it has made our stay very easy and relaxed. We hope that this journey is not our last here and that it will initiate a true bond between Manchester United and our friends at ASPIRE and in Qatar.”
It’s good to know that whilst the fans are left reading about our massive debt day after the day, the club are putting what money we do have to good use. Hmmm.
However, I’m sure this trip was good for a few things. ASPIRE claim they are “a leading elite sports institute in the world” and are “recognised for state-of-the-art sport science”. So it’s got to be good for something, right? Plus a bit of team bonding amongst the squad could be handy. It doesn’t hurt for them to escape all the slatings the club is currently receiving in the press and a bit of sun at this time of year could certainly lift their spirits.
Still not entirely convinced.
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Hopefully they picked up a rich sheikh while they were over there. Someone with about a billion burning a hole in their pockets, looking for a football club to spend it on.
I hope so. I hope the players won’t show any signs of relaxation against Burnley.
Next few games will definitely show if this was worthwhile or not.
Despite all injuries and injustices that we have been experiencing this season, they have let us badly. Most of the performances this season, even in most matches that we won, left a bitter taste in us. Let’s hope they all had time to reflect, individually and collectively and will come back raring to go.
They owe us few big big performances and victories. That will be the best way to distract us from the crazy nonsense off the pitch.
probably best that the players have been away from the shit about the finances. Also one way of increasin the club’s profile in the middle east.
Great idea: good for bonding, healthy sunlight, warmth for tired muscles, a break from the doomy mood among United supporters (like me), good for international PR, may attract new fans, useful reminder that United are still an elite club – not some bankrupt outfit about to go into receivership – a chance for Fergie and coaching staff to get concentrated on getting into the heads of the players for the tasks ahead, a chance for Rio to go through his routine of absolutely hilarious ‘japes’ without too many people having to see it. All sounds sound to me.
@ Giles
And hopefully trying to get some fucking rich arabs to buy the fucking Glazers out.
I think it is a good idea tho, get the players away from all the shit in the media and hopefully gel the lads together abit more for the big push into the rest of the season.
They were discussing the fact that across all sports training was being disrupted by the weather. People couldn’t get into training and when they could what training was viable was restrictive. So spending a few days abroad where training could be guaranteed as well as being able to relax a bit can’t be bad
Surely a bit of sun on their backs was exactly what the team needed after the past few games and past month of depressing weather.
I think that it’s exactly what they needed. There’s a lot going on and they need to be able to focus on their football. Plus they’re not acountants, nor billionairs, so there’s nothing they can do to save us from the debt. It’s been a stressful season, and to actualy have the time to stop the ball and get ready for your next move is a precious opportunity.
Only time will tell.
stretford972 is right about the players getting away. It’s not like our financial status would have been better if the squad trained at Carrington this week.
I am no specialist in fitness matters, but hopefully this trip gave players like Rio, Vidic, VDS and Hargo a chance to work on their fitness a bit more. I think a warmer climate might have been beneficial to them.
Definitely a good idea. I’m afraid that the players will get involved too much with matters off the pitch. This helped them get their minds off of things.
Watch out Burnley.
I hope we hit the ground running when we come back. Maybe at the end of the season we might see this as the start of our gallop to the finish.
Costas – Come On! It’s only Burnley, mate
For Birmingham game press conference boss had mentioned they had done no outside work and were hoping to get on the pitch on Friday to do something.
Not necessarily the reason for our display that day but, after Leeds game, you’d think we’d want to get out and get some serious work done to get everyone on the same page.
Doing it out on the pitch versus just talking about it am sure will make a big difference. Also, just having some sunshine should help the team psychology. That is if you subscribe to how damp, grey cold weather leads to depression … on top of playing poorly last few games.
Other good thing – we got to see VDS, Rio and Hargo all in training – that lifts the spirits for us supporters. Below link of a guy that was in Doha on holiday and got to see the squad train.
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=190006&id=720080960&l=3ffa0b5050
I am all for it. Lets face it they haven’t been able to do fuck all training over here. Lets hope they are back refereshed and raring to go. Wonder if Edwin will start on Saturday?
Hopefully, the sortie has shaken the players up for a good performance on saturday
Whilst they were over there they could have at least found a rich Arab with
Money to spare!!!
Whilst not optimistic I’m expecting two good performances and 6 points.
@Corea
Lol. What can I say? After the Leeds game I can’t take any opponent lightly. Plus, Burnley have a new manager and they will be a bit unpredictable.
Costas – We are Manchester United. (c)
I don’t care about their new manager, mate.
Maik – “Plus they’re not acountants, nor billionairs, so there’s nothing they can do to save us from the debt” Mate, they could help by dropping the monstrous wages they don’t really need. I’m sure they could make do with hust the one Ferrari and 12 Rolexes is a little bit of over kill!! But Hey ho! Costas – New manager….they didn’t do to badly against us with their old manager as I recall!! Like 20Legend says, lets hope some Rich Arabs have had a good luck at the bond option brochures!
Scott, what do you feel about our debt? Being a fan of Newsnow I shit myself reading alot of the crap but more stuff came up about how easy it is for us to sell the bonds because we’re massive and that the bond issue means that Glazers may be moving! I hope so, i’ve been worried sick about the debt and such!
@Corea
We can’t overlook anyone at this stage. We were Manchester United with Leeds too.
The problem with new managers in their first game, is that you don’t know what to expect from them.
@mikekelly12
Don’t remind me! I am still fuming by the goal we conceded. Burnley are a tough nut at their home, but not quite as tough away from home. And as fate has it, we will have deal with Owen Coyle again when we go to Bolton
@Costas – we have to expect from our team, mate. they are responsible. Burnley are dependant on United.
Burnley away games
Stoke 0-2
Chelsea 0-3
Liverpool 0-4
Tottenham 0-5
Blackburn 2-3
Shity 3-3
West ham 3-5 (0-5 at some stage)
Portsmouth 0-2
Wolves 0-2
Everton 0-2
Yes, i am so afraid.
Posted this already on another thread but it’s much more on topic here:
For anyone interested (probably all of you)
My brother Gavin is currently in Doha (Qatar), on a work placement at the Aspire academy – where the United squad are training. He watched the team train yesterday (lucky lucky sod – less than 100 people allowed in apparently!) so I sent him on a mini scouting mission to find a few things out.
He said Owen Hargreaves (who’s name is on my shirt which is starting to make me look a bit silly) was doing full training – sprinting, kicking, even tackling, but stepped out for the middle 3rd or so for treatment – apparently the scars on his knees look horrific. He said he didn’t look in pain though and it looked more like something they’re doing with him every session. Then as he was signing my brother’s shirt, Gav asked him when he would be back and he said “soon” – but I guess we can’t take much from that, probably what he’s told to say.
VDS also trained and also said he’d be back “soon”. Althought the way Kusczak’s filled in (can’t believe I’m saying this) he might have to fight for his place!
He says Berbatov (who is on my brother’s shirt and we both are fans of) looked even less inspiring in training than he does currently on the pitch, with occasional mesmerising touches but overall looking lazy, moody and unimpressive – and what’s more was apparently dismissive of the fans there and was one of the few to not sign my brother’s shirt! Was very disappointed to hear that.
He said Sir Alex looked in good spirits, apparently spending a lot of time talking to Rooney. He then came and signed autographs and also spoke to my brother – who, after telling him what a hero he is to everyone, asked how Vidic was. Answer was “He’s OK” then he walked away – take from that what you will.
Most impressive: Rio (also in full training), Rooney, Scholes
Least impressive: Berba by far apparently
Jokers: Rio and Anderson, apparently doing kick-ups with each other inbetween each session and generally having a laugh
Ask me again at 5 o’clock on Saturday
@Corea
What an awful record that is! If it weren’t for our fuck up neighbours, Burnley would have had a 100% losing record. So our players(with their minds away from the warmth of Qatar) should settle this by half time.
@TeeJ
Thanks for your work pal. And thanks to Gavin! Glad to hear that Rio, Vida, VDS and of corse Hargo are nearing full fitness.
All experiences are good ideas.
If you remember, 2000 and the ill-fated trip to Brazil for the World Club Championship was around this time of year (near enough anyway). I know that was a slightly longer trip, but the players came back totally revitalised, and I’m thinking (hoping) this warm weather training will have the same sort of effect.
at least they could train. but they could have gone back to the cliffe?
Holiday, training camp, team bonding, PR stunt to look for investors…call it what you want but it will be justified if we get back on track and play well on Saturday.
I no this is off the point but i cant believe whats happening to the club never in my life supporting manchester utd (18years, i was 10 at the time!) have i felt uncertain about the future as i do now.
This debt is not good well thats a understatement its disaster! Despite being at the front of english football clubs for 20 years, now when it matters in terms of increased competition (Spurs, Villa, Arsenal) and rich clubs (Chelski, citeh) and although not in any better position than us but have less than half our debt Liverpool, it seems like we are losing our grip on and off the pitch all thanks to the f@*kin yanks!!!
I work for a bank and I met up with a Bond manager today to discuss the utd bond and his response was not good!! I will not go into much detail as believe it or not much of the media articles are spot on as they have had access to utd bond proposal literature. The only thing i will share is wha i think to be the only good to come out of this bond issue and i found this in a telegraph article today.
The bond issue gives them (Glazers) the perfect opportunity to meet possible candidates to buy the club without having to put up the ‘For Sale’ sign! Even tho utd are only offering a bond at the moment it gives the glazers a chance to establish a short-list of serious potential buyers who will effectively already have a stake in the club having taken a slice of the bond.
So hopefully if all goes well someone might say sod the bond how much for the club?? LOL i no its seems unlikely but lets at least hope!!
LOVE UNITED HATE GLAZERS!!
Away from the papers…. in this moment is a good idea !!!!
A bit of sun can’t do no harm. I am sure they have enjoyed the trip and benefited from 4 days of training. I just hope we see the performance we are all craving to see against Burnley. If the purpose of this trip was to look for a buyer, then I am all for it. I hate reading about our current debt. Very depressing. I try as hard as I can to make sense of it and understand the issue, as most of it is gibberish to me, but it doesn’t fail to make all of us fans furious and worried about the state of the club. What is really going on behind closed doors? I can’t wait until this matter is put to rest somehow.
@TeeJ , thanks for the info mate. Great to know that Rio was training well and hopefully this means that he is very close to being fully fit and back in the team.
Personally, for me, its a bad idea. I think there are a few players on the squad that are living on their reputation and are getting away with reularly failing to stand up to the plate. They have lost their character, their identity, and I dont think a holiday in the sun will help them find it. Maybe sloggin it out in the cold and snow would toughen them up a bit (a la rocky when he fights the russian) and help them get their mojo back.
@mufcmyreligion
The problem is you were talking to your Bond manager not as someone looking to buy Bonds BUT a work colleague looking to basically speak about football.
If you were a client I suspect his view would be more along the lines of one Banker who was at the First Leg of the “Bond Roadshow”
“This is a well-run company whose owners have demonstrated it can get bigger and more successful,” said one banker with knowledge of the sports market. “People will be attracted by the emotional link to United as well, but this is not a flaky investment. There is more risk in football than many other industries, but United are better protected than any other club.”
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/manutd/6984817/Manchester-United-go-on-the-road-to-pitch-500m-bond-issue-to-potential-investors.html
Its not the highest yielding bond out there for investors, and there are some factors which will count some Investors out but with the added ‘Emotional Link’ that comes with a Football club and one of Uniteds stature it makes a solid ‘punt’. Infact the early indications are that the bond will actually be over subscribed.
And personally I doubt its a way to look for buyers and certainly I hope it isn’t. Anyone who has the ability to pay the kind of money to buy the club that they would have to pay I feel is likely to use the club as a play thing, much like we see at City, Chelsea and Real. Its better to have people who interested in the club being successful as a business than one who just wants to show off as success on the field and success off it do go hand in hand
I think the tabloids are suffering from an identity crisis. One minute they are full of reports about our financial status and the next they are talking about potential United targets:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1243319/Manchester-United-weighing-Portos-18m-Rolando-concerns-Nemanja-Vidic-Rio-Ferdinand.html?ITO=1490
http://www.manchestercity.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=184588
interesting one, and i am starting to get depressed.
@sprite
Look at the Source. A City website and its a user submitted story. As such its complete bullshit.
They wouldn’t move to another city, not only as that would require investing in brand new infrastructure BUT would alienate the existing fans and would be unlikely to bring in any new fans as the clubs generally hated by other Football fans in England.
And they wouldn’t go to the MLS, the EPL is the most profitable league in the world for clubs and the MLS is barely even a league. Players would have to be let go as they wouldn’t want to play over there and wouldn’t even be allowed to due to their player rules and the income would be tiny.
If they considered moving then the only country that would make any kind of sense would be Spain where they have a strong league and they can sell individual TV rights but building up a new fan base would be hard.
It would be more believable if the story was that we were looking to ‘Francise’ the club in a way that there were effectively Man Utd Francises playing in other leagues which could be used the way that Real and Barca use their Reserve Teams in Spain as it would potentially offer a higher level of football for the reserve and academy players while growing teh brand as well as allowing youth in other countries to be tapped into easier. But Ownership laws would probably make that impossible
That story truly is bullshit. Just City fans taking the piss.
‘Day all
or Night all
Well SA and the team can equate the sunshine onto the pitch from now to May
I think we’ll all be happy
So they better get a move on because on here we’ve been drowning our sorrows over what the Glazer’s have done to us.
Fucking Americans
Costas who are city?
Never heard of them : )
@wakey
the club needs new owners, sticking with glazers is bull if you cant ee that now you’ll never see it mate! the fans at the time of the takeover who rejected the idea were right all along!
LOE UNITEG HATE GLAZERS
@MG
Lol, sorry forgot to elaborate. Just a weird group of people that wear blue, only fill their stadium once a year and seem obsessed by emulating their famous neighbours.
@Costas
I get that : )
Sprite – Oh come on man. It is the fucking comedy club’s website. This is getting silly. I don’t know what is more worrying, the debt or the fact that a number of people actually believe EVERYTHING that is reported in the media and tabloids?
Costas – we got the story of the sun that united will not pay the wages rooney and his advisers demand and he could be gone this summer worrying how they have not even got rooney signed up, remember ronaldos advisers saying united agreed to extend ronaldos contract in 2008 but pulled out.
- add the fact fergie like it or not bought the wrong forward when tevez would have been 5 million cheaper than berbatov which we could do with tevez in the team which I hate to say.
- the training ground may be sold and it is true all the long the cristiano ronaldo cash has been wiped out by the glazers.
my worry is it is almost a fire sale and it is happening at liverpool is well. I wonder how the FA and premier league are feeling that the let england and britains 2 greatest football clubs being slowly dismantled and asset striped by pocketless leeches trying to make a fortune but putting very little into the clubs.
@MG
I know you did. I was just in the mood for some City bashing though.
@King Eric
I think they are both worrying at this stage because the media are definitely not helping matters. I am fine with a couple of articles highlighting our problem, but this is becoming ridiculous. It’s hard to separate fact from fiction. And we are almost forgetting that we still have 3 trophies to play for this season. From now on, we have a lot of games coming up and hopefully we will shift our focus on them for the time being.
@RNTK
I haven’t heard the one about Rooney. We can’t know for sure unfortunately. At the moment, every media outlet is having a go. I am against the Glazers, but at the moment, and as its usually the case, the media are starting to overreact.
it suprisin really,everyone would like a bit of sun right about now but to go from training in the sun to running round in the cold, thats got to hurt
RTNK the yanks at liverpool have putover 100 million of personal money intoliverpool,they also tried to replace bintez because they thought he wasted a lot of money. liverpool just fucked themself with their secret hope if they started work on a stadium then pleaded poverty the council would take the costs on also with one eye on the world cup bid, dunno about the glazers but liverpool just suck ass ,it happened to leeds and it wasnt the premier leagues problem
Am damn sick and mad @ the Glazers,.u guys u cant just imagine that in kenya,every media,both printed and electronic is just talking about the massive debt and they are predicting the collapse of man united!..aarrgh!..am bored and want 2 shoot those cunts off!..can someone help me feel a bit good about these thing?..fuck the glazers!
Costas – check it out the rooney story, I am sorry but you do not let rooney who has 2 years left on his contract drag and drag especially with world cup year coming up, the difference in 2005 to now is the debts are now bitting hard than before, our profits are literly getting 100% wiped out, along with the ronaldo cash
- Lets be frank 6 or 7 years ago fergie would never let any position go very light, remember fergies quotes when spending big you have to spend the going rate even spending over the value for a player. He has never said there is no value for money, why say it now on the back of the clubs worst financial results they have ever had.
arsene wenger – what is 100 million in football, hicks and gillets are not half has bad as the glazers, the horrific reality is what they have done at liverpool is not in the same league as what the glazers have done at united. We all knew united would be in this position, I am posting on this topic because for me it has to be said. And most united fans like myself have got to put our voices out there even if me and many others are repeating ourselves because their handling over united is a complete disaster.
reasons why I have gone even more angry and repeating myself
- when our best player is sold and the money has gone missing.
- we make record profits on the back of our most succesful season under those freaks yet we would still make a loss
- they continue to wipe out all our profits
- ticket prices continue to rise
- it takes ronaldos record sale to make a profit
- and they are willing to sell rooney vidic and carrington
- glazer kids taking money out of the club for themselves
I think we should Sir Alex knows best & we should leave it to him.
A warmer climate will be good for the soul of the players. All in, a
good training trip and may we beat Burnley by 4-0 on Saturday with
Rooney increasing his goals scored to 15 or 16!
@ Serious advise to everybody — burn all the newspapers for a few days, or weeks even. They are just taking the piss for God’s sakes, havin a field day at United’s expense! They know, once we are back winning on the field this gloomy mood will dissipate and are hence making hay while the sun shines
We are not in a desperate situation as the papers are making it out to be….Carrington is not gonna be sold today or tommorrow or the day after that… let us at least wait for the results of the Bond issue…meanwhile Relax and block out the news websites.. (I know easier said than done for us Reds but better for us if we do)
i know why most of you guys are worried….the reason is you spend too much time on shit tabloids sites..so you are infected with their shit stories.unlike me who is either RoM or just united blogs and sites.
LOVE UNITED HATE THE GLAZERS !!
thre are times when am bored and something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyIrXH-ITw4 always puts a smile on my face
@ Giles Oakley and Scott
Why dont the Glazers sell and lease back the stadium of Tampa Bay Buccaneers to raise the cash. It’s about time they started mortgaging their own assets FFS rather than just gambling on the club’s assets??
I got a mail from MUST which said there is a meeting of MUST and IMUSA on Saturday regarding the debt issue. Now I cant be there for the meeting physically but I would be thankful to both of you if you could put up this idea on my and the club’s behalf at the meeting.
I was just pondering on ways to raise funds to help the club and it occurred to me that if they were prepared to gamble Carrington or Old Trafford, then why not gamble on the stadium of their other sports investment asset, the Tampa Bay buccaneers in America?
Hey guys, a bit off topic here, but does anyone know if Berba has had or is going to have that knee op? If he does I hope SAF will use the same system he did against B’ham, only with Ando playing off Rooney rather than Carrick. I really feel we could see the best of him if he finally was given a chance in his natural position between midfield and attack. I seem the remember him having one of his best games for s in that role at OT vs. the dippers in the 3-0 win in the 07/08 season. What do you guys think?
Hey Scott why my comment is waiting for moderation…. What’s wrong….
Onkar – it’s okay, mate. I’ve also had my morning post under the moderation.
Red Devil – the idea came to my mind a long ago. i’ve heard that Tampa is not sufficiently financed these days and has become a mediocre club.
I think the issue is real.
On the one hand I’m glad it is brought up now (as they said better late then never).
But on the other hand, why now? Why not last year when our debt was roughly the same and no 80m cash in hand. I truly believe the issue is real but I smell a conspiracy from the mainstream media.
there is a meeting on saturday to act against the glaziers the Meeting at 1pm upstairs at O�Briens in Stretford Andale – directions here:
http://bit.ly/5cbfI0
The meeting is in the function room upstairs, the door to the stairs is
past the pool table and will be clearly marked.
Additional notes – the reason the meeting was called with such short notice
this Saturday is due to demand from members for action ASAP but additional
meetings are planned depending on outcome of Saturday meeting.
For those attending:
Please be patient – due to short notice only downstairs bar will be open.
Please treat venue with respect – they have been great supporters over year
and always provided venue free of charge.
For those not attending:
Info will be distributed via all usual channels. If you haven’t already
done so sign up as a free member of MUST here www .joinmust .org /free
Corea
yes, i too have been reading that they have fallen from grace due to lack of sufficient investment in the squad and all (I hope thats not gonna happen with us!). But their stadium is still a huge draw as well as their training facilities….why dont they sell and lease back that facility to raise funds rather than Old Trafford?
Or carrington for that matter!
Red Devil – Gill said that Old Trafford won’t be sold but they will compensate it with higher profit from the ticket sales. They are trying to make a compromise ? It looks like Carrington will be sold. Disgusting.
Nice one ghtt time to kick the whores out of our team :p
http://www.tribalfootball.com/man-utd-glazer-owners-2005-selling-old-trafford-absolutely-ridiculous-575591
Asked if they would sell and lease back Old Trafford, Glazer said: “That’s absolutely ridiculous. That’s been one of the frustrating things we have read about and we just want to communicate directly that it’s not going to happen.
“There are absolutely no plans to do that. This is the heritage and the foundation of this club.”
Corea
Yeah it does look a bit scary with regard to Carrington, but I havent really seen a quote directly from David Gill on the official United Website. Its all in the realms of speculation at the moment as the offer document says ‘it is a possibility” I dont think thats gonna happen..at least thats what my understanding of the accounts says….I dont think we are that desperate yet
However if the bond issue doesnt go as planned then we could be in for strange things…which is why the suggestion…..sell your own ground rather than Carrington..at least thats what fairness demands from the Glazers!
Red Devil – fairness ? they are americans, why sell Tampa’s facilities ? Where is their national pride ?
They can sell Tampa but they won’t do it.
Do you check your email from time to time ?
yes I do….did you happen to send me a mail?
Red Devil – yeah, yesterday.
@Red devil Corea,
Precisely.. Its just that offer documents have mentioned something and Abu media will latch on to it… Its ridiculous to think from even Glaziers perspective that they will even think of selling the CLUB ASSETS such as OT, Carrignton and even Rooney. I mean since they have taken over as owners the club’s valuation have almost gone double. The club is one of the most marketable commodity right now in the word. I mean if any entity that is entertainment driven can pull the financial result and growth that they have in such turmoil financial period then it clearly shows the ability of that entity to earn. So, I am sure there will be plenty of takers for the club if its available in the market… If not for full people will be happy to even take the part of its equity as well. To add to that the naming rights, possibility of private placement or PE funding, going public again with an IPO, are few other measures that club can go for.
Provided they will have so many option in there hands I doubt that they will go any drastic measures like Assets sales so early. From there own point of view as well it will be shooting in there own foot … As if they strip club from its assets. It will mean that NO debts but NO assets as well then who is gonna pay for it if it up for sale…
So for me it makes no sense financially to go for assets sales…
I check it everyday….in fact it is open on my office desktop all the time…I dont seem to have got any!
what address did you send it to? maybe there’s a typo or something coz I got a mail from AIG all right.
@Red devil,
And what about my mail???? Did you get that…
@Corea,Red devil
Hi. Good morning
WTF is this about selling Carrington and OT. can someone please explain how much truth is there in this and do we need to do this?.Would be a disaster if it comes to that
Onkar
I hadn’t seen it, but now that you point it out….I think its there…
“test mail” is the subject line isn’t it.. Its gone to spam unfortunately!! maybe the g-mail auto-filter thought it was spam or something…
any ways I have changed the settings for your e-mail address, it wont do that anymore
@ AIG
hey….Good morning mate
it looks scary I must admit, but I dont think its gonna come to that. The situation is bad but not THAT bad as i tried to reason in the article. But if the bond issue isn’t successful enough, then …..I wouldn’t want to even think about those possibilities!
Seriously speaking, i dont believe its gonna come to that!
Red Devil –
“Its gone to spam unfortunately”
maybe mine as well ?
@aig alex is god
Don’t worry.. It will not happen… I mean we have many avenues of accumulating money so I don’t think as an owner they will even think of stripping the club of its assets… Its just that as a part of statutory requirement they had to mention it as a possibility but nothing else.. It is so typical that the Abu Media have jumped on it so quickly… If you want know what all possible ways that they can look into before even thinking of sale of an asset then just check my last response to Red devil and Corea combined… It may answer few of your questions…..
@Red devil,
Google is too smart isn’t it?:-)
@Onkar
i read your post after my comment. it does explain things very well. Thanks for that
@Red Devil
I did send you another mail after that too. did you get it?
@Red devils,
Looks like your mail box will be full very soon…..
@onkar
why ??
@ aig hi
how is the weather there? our brothers in uk are freezing
maybe i should organize for their holidays here in kenya
@Red SAM,
Oohhh, what was that for????
Red Sam
Hi mate
The weather here is fine. Not that hot and not cold either perfect weather.Temperatue is in the mid 20s .It is really bad in the UK.They have just had their holidays in Qatar so i don t think that will happen anytime soon but next time probably they may try coming to Africa
@ onkar
it was your suggestion google is too smart just wanted to know why…..dont be curious
Red Devil – i sent you another one.
AIG – hi, mate. do you have an account in the RoM forum ? send me please your email address there using PM.
aig
sorry you didn’t get me i meant the fellow reds in the uk. all the same nice to hear from you how is your arrangement are you going to attend the final game ??
this carrington sale is getting me nervous how can “they” possibly even consider doing it ?? i’ve got a very bad feeling about this
@Red SAM,
Nothing, I was just having fun with Red Devil when he said that my mail sent to him with subject test mail directly went to spam entry… Which was surprising for me that’s all….
Corea
ya. I do have an account in the ROM forum. same name.I cant access that before evening(the IT team in my office has blocked it, dunno why). If possible you can send me a mail otherwise i will send you one in the evening
Red Sam
Sorry. I thought the players.didnt read the comment carefully.Yes that would be great. The weather just worsens there. sub zero temperatures.i have never experienced temperatures below 10. Must be damn chilly
aig alex is god – almost done and dusted.
I think i’d better register yahoo email because the russian one isn’t always compatible with google and other ones.
@Corea
Not got it yet. It would be betetr if you create a yahoomail ID.wont have any problems
aig alex is god – if i knew your email address i would have sent you an email, mate. ) i only sent you my email address in a orivate message in the RoM forum.
aig alex is god – if i knew your email address i would have sent you an email, mate. ) i only sent you my email address using private message in the RoM forum.
Corea
i know that.did access from my mobile but cant see your message on the forum in my message list . Ill try again and tell you
aig alex is god – have just sent you my yahoo id.
Corea
I have sent you my ID just now. i have got your message but from my mobile i cant access it.
I remember back in ’99 Schmeichel was having a really dodgy time and Fergie sent him off to lay on the beach for a few days. When he came back he played better than ever and the rest is history! Hope history repeats itself again!
@ Corea, AIG, Onkar
I have got all your mails guys
)
Always nice to know fellow Reds! (not the Scouse type
Will soon be responding to them as and when my work allows it.
Onkar, no need to worry about the inbox mate, google’s got plenty of space!
Costas – Morning mate. If it was as bad as the tabloids make out it would be headline news on the News at Ten. It doesn’t even make Sport headlines.
@mufcmyreligion
You are letting the ‘debt’ figures and the idiotic media reports cloud your judgement. Sure the figures don’t seem great but it isn’t anywhere near the problem the Football press keeps making out. Those in the know will tell you the running of the club is very well done, financially its fairly secure and that the Glazers aren’t taking an unusual amount out of the club (Once again they have taken out of the club about the same amount since owning the club as the shareholders were taking EVERY YEAR)
I mean seriously do you want to be like City or Chelsea and support a club where its just a play thing for them. Where they throw money at players that the manager doesn’t want, where they interfere with team selection, sack the manager for little reason, try and be the ‘star’ players best friend by allowing them to undermine the manager and where they use the money to get away with doing whatever they like. The Glazers are actually not that bad as to them its a business and they realise that success on the pitch is important and that they have to listen to the football people at the club and then at any minute they could get bored of it and leave a club who doesn’t have a sustainable business modal so it has to be asset stripped (Unlike us if Chelsea or City were to have their owners get sick of it they would struggle to continue at their level as the business’s aren’t viable. They would require another Sugar Daddy. We wouldn’t need a sugar daddy owner to keep operating at a top level)
@rooney the new king
Will United just agree with any demands that Rooney makes. Ofc not as contracts are about negotiating so both parties get what they want. The bond document makes clear making sure we are able to keep our top players and add additional top players is a priority. Ronaldo wanted to go so it was a case of having to cash in now BUT Rooney doesn’t so a deal will be signed.
Wheres the proof that Ronaldos money has gone to the Glazers? There is none. Fergie says the moneys there to spend if he can find a player he wants and who he feels is in a price range he thinks is acceptable
As for the Training Ground, its not being sold. Its listed as something that could be done as part of the Risk Section of the Bond document but isn’t something thats happening its just a worst case. Its the same for every club with a training ground risks in the worst case
@rooney the new king
Our Profits aren’t being 100% wiped out. The figures weren’t for the club but the holding company who has made a loss every year apart from this year. The holding company is almost certainly expected to make a loss. The club accounts which come out in the summer had us making 80-90mill profit
Fergie said there wasn’t any value because the prices went through the roof. Real and City made average players worth significantly more. We got 80mill for Ronaldo and would it have really made sense to have to blow almost all of it on a single player who isn’t half as good as him.
As for us being worse off than Liverpool. Seriously you are deluded.Liverpool are no where near as profitable as us, they were bought in an almost identical manner to us but at intrest rates much worse than ours (And the waited so long to refinace them that they didn’t improve the situation anywhere near what the Glazers did on theres), we have had the money to buy good players to improve the team which they haven’t (they are a two man team and 99% of their purchases have been Cheaper but MASSIVE flops) and they have had to sell off other assets to cover themselves (Which the Glazers haven’t had to do) and they are still in trouble because of the lost money due to this seasons poor showing and it could be even worse if they don’t make top4
And Once again “They aren’t selling players or the training ground”. Please stop listening to the press and actually UNDERSTAND what you are talking about.
And the money the Glazer ‘kids’ too were LOANS. They haven’t hence taken a penny. And the Management fees that the Glazers have taken are normal and LOWER than the Shareholders took EVERY YEAR. These loans and the management fees will be accountancy/tax deductions
@Red Devil
Because atm theres no need for them to touch there other assets. Remember the PIK loans are in the Glazers name and its the whole Glazer group who are responable for these. Theres no point selling off assets that play a part in servicing these PIK debts as its just a short term fix thats short sighted.
You can guarentee that if things got really bad they would start selling off other assets just as Hicks and Gillette had to
However the bond issue that mentions the sell and lease back of assets is connected to Man Utd not the group so in the ‘risk assesment’ section they can only really talk about United assets
@Wakey I like how you want to gloss everything over. I’ll admit nothing drastic will happen in the near future but you seem to be missing the point about everyones anger. We were a club who never had to contemplate selling their training ground now these last 7 days alone, Old Trafford, Carrington, Rooney and Vidic are all being linked to being sold. You can tell me as much as you like “How many Businesses run in debt?” or how selling assets is “a worst case scenario.” and the funniest one “the glazers aren’t that bad!” Fact is, these things weren’t spoked about pre-glazer and are now. Also many of our supporters are pining for a rich billionaire to come in for us a situation nobody really wanted either but now are hands are tied. The glazers have come in and created a whole host of problems that weren’t there before. In the process it appears we have less money to spend than Birmingham!
Well, the Pakistan national football team also had a few days at ASPIRE back in late November for the 2009 SAFF Cup that was held in December … unfortunately the team still failed to win it -_-
Great idea to lift spirits and come back refreshed… we needed that break and hopefully we can go on a winning run from here! Rio and Hargo are back in full training as is VDS.. time to deliver!!
It isn’t a bad idea considering Liverpool’s status, with all their important players down…
@Suprah
Not sounding daft but:
There is a big difference between Manchester United FC and Pakistan both training at Aspire in Qatar
Seriously there is: And United are not Pakistan FC if you get the drift
United could rip most national sides apart with all due respect
@NotoriousRedDevil
Its not glossing over anything. Its called being realistic and not being used by the media as puppets to try and unsettle things at the club and to sell papers.
Everything thats been levied at the Glaziers by some sections of the Fans and the media has yet to actually be proved, its all based on a few snippets taken out of context and taken as fact. People are simply upset about the Glaziers because
a) The debt to a laymen looks really bad
b) The media is spinning all kinds of lies
c) Groups like MUST have an axe to grind because they are idealists
And you say the problems didn’t exist before the Glaziers. Sure the problems are sometimes slightly different but they did exist. If anyone has a Share issue booklet from when the shares were initially issues the Selling of the Training Ground and Stadium will have no doubt been mentioned in that as part of the risks. Even if it wasn’t its something that exists in all clubs. Any club could get into problems and assets like facilities are fall back options for them. Its only had to be mentioned for disclosure reasons as they are trying to increase profits further which is good for the club
And alot of people complain about the money the Glazers have taken which was around £20million over 3.5 years, 10mill of which was loans and the rest management fees. Those loans have to be repaid so in reality their drawings are £10mill. As a PLC there would have been “Management Fees” or something similar on the books, so its unlikely they are drawing any more than was paid out anyway. THEN you have the dividend payments to shareholders when it was a PLC, these came to over £20million a year so over the same period they would have taken in excess of £65mill. And with the improved profits the clubs showing this dividends if we were still a PLC would be even higher.
And atleast now we don’t have to bother as much about profits as we did as a PLC. We need to make enough to pay everything off but that it. Before we had to put the Shareholders interests first which caused us to have to haggle on prices even more (Ronaldiniho anyone) and also our transfer targets are more secretive so we don’t get beaten to the punch or get forced into paying more as much.
Now yes without the interest payments things would be even better but at the same time now being a private company it has actually helped improve the way the club is run and has also helped us on the field too.
Oh and the bond issue will actually reduce the interest payments significantly. Every percent lower the interest rate on the bond is is £7million more profit on the accounts, so if its 8.5% like the initial talk was (And on early orders they are saying it may even be over subscribed so may even be lower) we would be saving something like £18million a year in interest payments
As for having less money to spend than Birmingham, its debatable. Carson Yeung certainly has more money he wants to invest than the previous owners but back in the summer he was talking about a £5mill budget so its unlikely to have risen too far. If anything he seems more ‘Glazer’ like than the City/Chelsea lot and seems to want to listen to and support the football people at the club rather than throw money and force their hands in player acquisition. United have money to spend on players as the Bond Booklet makes completely clear
Wakey – are you dumb or just in denial the cash is gone it is that simple some experts have said this. You have the nerve to give MUST stick. when United were a PLC we were never going into losses, 325 million has gone missing, all uniteds profits and the ronaldo cash has been wiped out by this horrible debt. To say just because united had to be more open has a PLC in transfers and now the club is private owned united can be more private, that makes united a far better run club is a complete joke, the last thing united are these days is well run we are one of the worse run clubs in the game today maybe te worse run club in terms of finances.
- ronaldinho always had eyes for barca and who did we get instead cristiano ronaldo so you point has no grounds to stand on.
- has a PLC was old trafford key players and carrington ever up for discussions to be sold not a chance.
- has a PLC did anyone wipe out our entire profits the club made on hideos debts, what ever points you come up with I will counter it with positions the club are in currently which have made the club worse than 7 years ago.
- has a PLC in 2001 and 2002 the club spent in total 80 million on transfers with ferguson saying you pay what you get and basically you pay the going rate, now fergie says there is no value for money.
rtnk – Haven’t read your full post as leaving work but saw your last point. The world is a very different place to 2001-2002. The word recession comes to mind. Plus Fergie probably feels he has had his fingers burned paying way over the odds. Don’t get me wrong, I ain’t siding with the Yanks but just think it is pointless getting enraged at this stage. As I said earlier if it was as big a mess as the tabloids would have us believe it would be the main headlines on News at Ten etc. It doesn’t even make the sports news.
King Eric – I know you are not with the yanks anyone with a brain cant be, but king eric if you do still check this page mate what I am trying to get across is united are making insane losses at the back of our most succesful period under ferguson since our last hatrick of titles between 99 – 2001.
At the back end of the 07/08 season united made 47 million pound loss for winning the prem and european cup our most historic season since 1999, call me crazy but that is complete insanity, what club makes that kind of loss.
The money united have made between 2006 – 2009
in terms of gate revenue
tv money
shirt sponsership money
players sold like ronaldo etc
ticket prices gone up
the number of games united appeared in that time period are massive
This kind of money made should be going into making old trafford even bigger, getting that south stand rebuilt we would make even more money. with all this success in normal circumstances united would propably be spending really big and making a big impact in the transfer market, we did it in 2001 with van nistlerooy and veron.
United under a PLC we would propably be investing huge cash into big players and stadium expansion, I have always said this big clubs spend big they dont say we want value for money, when we have spend big on some players we have never got value for money.
rtnk
chill mate. why are you still on about the debt. It is angering all of us but we cant do anything about it. Lets talk about things on the pitch and back the team on the field so that atleast we can keep on winning trophies and hopefully will improve the financial outcome positively in some way
aig alex is god – because it has to be said, thats the problem success on the pitch papers over the cracks on what the real problem is the glazers. the current team sums up of what the glazers have done to the club, short of quality in certain areas like upfront.
Everyone is obsessed with the debt all spurred on by the non stop bombardment of doom and gloom article after article from the ABU media. Has nobody understood yet that United sell papers and ANY sensationalisation of a story will be taken to it’s full conclusion. Of course the debt is a problem but all we can do as fans at the moment is get behind our club and our manager, who doesn’t seem overly fazed by anything as it happens. When Fergie starts to say it’s affecting his ability to make decisions to make the football club better then I’ll start to get worried and we all know what type of man he is and that he’s not the type to stay quiet for owners he owes nothing to especially at this late stage of his career. Everyone just calm down a bit.
Anyway on to the article which I thought was very negative. Scott I think this was just what the players needed. A trip away from the weather and negativity from the press(and fans it seems) was just what the doctor ordered. Remember the effect the Brazil trip had? It’s hard to quantify what a bit of exercise in the revitalising sunshine can do for you. It also won’t have hurt the general morale for everyone else to see VDS, Rio and Hargreaves out there training with them it will have given them all confidence that the squad is coming together nicely for a decent run at the 2nd half of the season. Just my opinion of course.
Mozza79 – I hope the media sensationalise it even more, because I want the glazers to be seen has Parasites even more it gets the message to other fans they are the enemy.
this is what malcolm glazer and his clan of freaks are – A parasite or parasites is An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.
If you dont see it today you will see it one day, our cub will never be the same again!
LOVE UNITED HATE GLAZERS
rooney the new king I guess that’s where you and I differ. Yes I’d like the Glazers to fuck off so we wouldn’t have however many million it is going towards interest payments but ultimately I’m not really arsed who owns the football club as long as we continue to win trophies. Everyone is panicking because we’ve had some bad results lately but they need to calm the fuck down. I’ve heard a lot of “yeah we’ve had a lot of injuries but”….no..no buts..we’ve had an injury crisis the likes of which we’ve never seen basically since pre season. We entered this season without our first choice goalkeeper, our two world class centre backs and one of our central midfielders(Hargreaves obviously) out and it’s been a case of get one back lose two get one back lose three since then. Think about it, at one stage we had our two best available central midfielders playing in defence. And don’t think our injuries have been confined to defensive positions either, Fletcher, Scholes and Nani have all spent considerable time out, Scholes and Nani at the worst possible time. Then up front you look at the stats and see Berbatov has only started 12 of 22 league games and he was only ‘rested’ for 2 of the 10 he’s missed, the rest were miss through injury. I don’t think it’s ridiculous to make the claim that should we have had a ‘normal’ injury situation so far, like for instance Chelsea, then we’d be quite a few points clear in the league and everything would be hunky dory. Here’s an interesting stat for you, in the 11 games that Berbatov and Rooney have started in something approaching our first team in a 4-4-2 our record is P11 W9 D1 L1. Think about it.
Good stats mozza, and good point. We just need a good result tommorrow so that Sundays papers are filled with the news of a win and not a loss and more debt stories!!!
LOVE UNITED HATE GLAZERS
@rooney the new king
Do you just pluck these so called ‘facts’ of yours out of your arse? Infact left me just ask you this are you infact Rafa Benitez?
- What exactly is this £325million you speak of thats gone ‘missing’? Thats a completly made up figure, a figure thats even an insane person must realise isn’t even viable. The club only have debts of £550mill so with your figures you are claiming that we are effectively paying interest rates of 59%.
- Where have United Profits been wiped out by the debt? You are quoting the Holding companies profits which aren’t actually the clubs profits. The club made a £91mill profit last year which DOESN’T include the sale of Ronaldo.
- How are United the worst run club? The Glaziers have increased profits to 91million a year which is DOUBLE the profits before they took over and the amount spent on transfers is comparable, although transfers have been a bit smarter and less inflated (Due to us getting them done in private before others jack the price up)
- Did the PLC have Old Trafford, Key players and carrington up for discussions to be sold? Its not being discussed now. Why can’t you and the papers get it into your simple little minds around this. The sales of any of these HAVEN’T actually been discussed. Its in a RISK section where they have to layout the options if the worst case happens. If Apple were to offer a Bond issue they would have to discuss the risks even if they had almost no chance of happening and would have to list what assets they have that could be used to offset that risk.
- For a Second time the Glazers haven’t wiped out the profit. Last Year we made 91million which is double the last year of the PLC
- The Glazers haven’t spent much less than that in each of the years they have been in charge. But the Market atm is ridiculous, if we were to buy Veron today at the level and age he was when we bought him you would be looking at 50mill plus. Its one thing to pay a fair market price, its another to pay inflated prices for substandard players.
- United as a PLC would be investing in huge players and stadium expansion. Firstly do you seriously think the PLC would be expanding the stadium further? Where exactly would this expansion happen? The south stand is the only obvious place for expansion but the Railway behind the stand causes major obstacles to that. The press actually ran a story about us expanding the stadium to which United responded that ways to expand further have and are being investigated so its not like they aren’t looking either. As for players, seriously if you are going to spout shit then read the Bond Broacher and ensure that you understand it. Check the numerous mentions that keeping the star players and adding more world class talent to the squad through transfers is a necessity as on field success brings off field success
Wakey – well you are starting to look silly. lets look at the points you have made.
- You say united only have 550 million pound of debt, no the figure stands at 770 million and rising.
- The 08/09 season was perhaps uniteds most succesful season in terms of money made and compititon appearences, it took an insane amount of money from madrid for united to have made a profit. That means you take the 80 million of ronaldos sale united made a loss, on the back end of united were only 1 game away from managing to get to every major compitition unted entered that season. That says it all financially united are the worse run club in the game.
- in the 07/08 season our best season since 99 under ferguson the club made a 47 million pound loss.
- LOL the glazers increased profits you are having a laugh, fergie the coaching staff and the players made that profit by how they performed, with ronaldo rooney ferdinand scholes giggs etc all here before they arrived, add the fact the tv money went up, the prize money for trophys won, give a pat on the back to fergie and the players not the glazers. Also how did they partly increase profits by coming up with a cup scheme making all united fans pay for all 4 compititons and hiking ticket prices, yea they really have done a good job increasing profits.
- Hmm did the PLC discuss selling carrington old trafford and the players not a chance, well the PLC did help expand modern old trafford from 56,000 to 68,000 to 76,000, united with how much money has been made it would cost a fortune but united could expand the south stand but they cant afford to do it now because of this debt infested takeover. We spent well over 100 million on players like york stam ferdinand van nistlerooy veron rooney ronaldo yea we spent very little back then.
the 325 million is true, that is how much money that has been payed for the debt interest payments their brats taking money out of the club for themselves.
- the fact is the market prices are an excuse for the glazers because they have wiped all the ronaldo cash and the profits, the money is gone especially when you see the figures present. When ferguson says there is no value for money then thats the evidence the money is not there.
Wakey you’re wasting your time. Some people would rather believe tabloid hacks working for rags who’s only interest is selling papers over Alex fucking Ferguson it seems. Leave them to it.
1) Its £550million. The PIK’s are NOT UNITED DEBTS. You are also including the money that the GLAZERS themselves paid outright as being a debt.
2) The Debt isn’t really rising. If you take out a loan of £500 and pay off your interest each month how much do you owe when it matures? Guess what you owe £500. If you want to be pedantic then the debt actually decreases as Inflation means the £500 you borrow is actually worth more than the £500 you pay back at the end.
3) Once again the accounts you are talking about are from the HOLDING COMPANY not the club. The last Club accounts which I believe were for April 08 to April 09 showed a PROFIT of £91million and didn’t include the sale of Ronaldo
4) 47million loss, you sure? The holding Company made something like a £23million loss for 2008.
5) Yes some of the increased profits were from increasing Ticket prices but in a Supply and Demand world that was always going to happen especially when our Rivals were charging alot more without half the demand. Its sad but true. However that is far from the only reason. The profits increased because
a) The Glazers brought with them better business practices that improved the efficiency and meant we were run more like a Business
b) They found new revenue sources and new sponsorship and marketing opertunities
c) They were supportive of the football side and let it flourish.
The Glazers are a major reason for our increased profits. Oh and you should really make up your mind, you claim there was a loss made and then when answering this point agree profit was increased
6) I can’t back this up as I don’t have access to the original share issue booklet BUT It wouldn’t be to surprising is again in a Risk section the sale of OT and The Cliff wasn’t mentioned or the selling of players. Its a RISK section and you are duty bound to let investors know every possible risk and the ‘outcome’ if those risks happened. You really need to understand this fact as its vital and its what most of the ABU’s in the media are totally ignoring
7) Have you been to Old Trafford?. The South Stand backs onto the Railway line. Expansion of the South stand would also require the purchase of a number of residents houses (50-100) so they could be demolished. All this makes expanding the South Stand extremely hard to get sorted. The disruption to the area would also make the planning process very hard to get through and could take forever to get the plans passed. Finally the Upgrades you are talking about the PLC cost a combined amount of £114million spread over a number of developments over 14 years. To add a second tier to the South Stand and to fill the quadrants in would take capacity upto around 96,000 BUT with all the issues to work through its estimated it would cost at least the £114mill the rest of the upgrades cost. And Ideally they would probably prefer to make it 3 tiered like the North Stand so that would be even more
Oh and the Quadrants being filled in were done under the Glazers also so that last part of the development of the stadium was there doing
Park £4mill
VdS £2mill
Vidic £7mill
Evra £5.5mill
Carrick £18.6mill
Kuszczak £2.125mill
Foster £1mill
Nani £17mill
Anderson £18mill
Hargreaves £17mill
Tevez £10mill Loan
Berbatov £30.75mill
Tosic £9mill
Obertan £3mill
Valenica £17mill
Diouf UnDisc
Muncicho UnDisc
de Laet £0.1m
Ontop of that there has been great investment into youth footballers from other countries which often come with some form of compensation due. And I didn’t say the PLC spent very little money on players. Just that in the current climate the PLC also wouldn’t be able to pay the kind of fees being looked at.
9) I still think your £325mill is well off unless you are including the PIK’s in that as well. But the PIK’s are not on United books. They are Glazer debts and you wouldn’t say Tampa Bay were in debt because of the 500mill debt in United. These PIK’s could obviously impact United as United is a Glazer asset but its the same for all the assets they own.
10) The Glazer Brats haven’t taken a penny in Reality. They have taken LOANS from the club. Almost certainly done for Accounting reasons. Loans are things which are paid back so its still a club asset
11) The Management Fees are not unusual and they would have been paid also as a PLC
12) Even if we assume that you are right and its £325mill its not the whole story. Even with the debt our profits are higher and we don’t have massive Dividends to pay shareholders every year. And when £500mill of the £550mill is swapped in the bond issue the lower interest rates makes will increase the profits by atleast another £16-18mill (and with early orders suggesting that the bond might even be over subscribed the actual intrest rate may be even lower thus pushing it into the low to mid 20mill extra)
13) The figures DO NOT indicate there is no cash for Transfers. The Bond Issue booklet once again even expressly states that there is money to bring in top players while keeping the current top class players at the club
Wakey honestly mate you’re pissing up against the wall.
@ MG
lol, I know what you mean mate. I have a bad habit of finding and predicting trends (which often dont end up working well to what I think) -_-
@Mozza79
You are probally right but if my posting can prevent him recruiting just one more person to the hate filled, twisting of facts that the abu media has started to scaremongering, sell papers and disrupt the club by trying to turn the fans against the club then it’s worth doing.
After all no matter how much any of us hate the glazers we have to be realistic and that means that most of the things the media reports about them that many fans then jump on are misreported and hence most of the fans problems with them are misfounded
@ Wakey – Its exactly your mentality that probably got our club taken over in the first place. Add to the fact a ticket that was £23 has risen to near on £40 in less than 5 years, well run club my arse. End of the day since glazers come in they don’t give a shit about the supporters and judging by the sound of things neither do you. If we wait till the shit hits the fan it will be too late. I don’t expect you to be bothered because clearly you must be on £60K a year or something so you can afford the corporate luxuries, most of the match going fans that make noise can’t afford it anymore. Thats all totally irrelevant to you though?
@ Mozey “ultimately I’m not really arsed who owns the football club as long as we continue to win trophies.”
Few more like you will convince me that our supporters won’t save this club. FYI – I haven’t read a single tabloid this year – all my info is off this site.
@ RTNK – Spot on with the posts.
Maybe the reason for the trip is looking for new investors