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Fryers: I Rejected United Offer

After rejecting the contract off from Manchester United, it looked as though Ezekiel Fryers was set for a move to Tottenham Hotspur last summer. He trained with the London club throughout the summer, only for an agreement not to be found for a compensation package, with United reportedly asking for £4m whilst Spurs were only prepared to pay £2m. Whilst Fryers was out of contract, United were owed money as he had come through the ranks in our academy.

Fryers then joined Standard Liege after they had watched him for two years following an elite tournament where England and Belgium participated. He signed a two year deal with the Belgium club.

“United offered a three-year contract but I rejected the offer,” Fryers told FourFourTwo. “Spurs were interested but the fee [that United requested] was too much. Then Standard Liege arrived with a good opportunity for me to play regular games and get experience.”






 

86 Comments

  1. MUFCJord says:

    How is he doing in Belgium? I’ve not really heard much said about him since.

  2. Bobby Charlton's combover says:

    Why did he reject United’s offer? Too short? Not enough money? Didn’t see any realistic first team opportunities?

  3. tonymufc says:

    parked by Spurs to reduce the fee

  4. dapz says:

    i understand why he left, same reason why i think paul pogba left

  5. MUFCJord says:

    @bobby charlton,

    I believe it was not enough money.

  6. Gentlekez says:

    Another in grate and greedy pie

  7. FletchTHEMAN says:

    Think the lad just didn’t see opportunities with Evra and Fabio ahead and talk of sending him on loan and still bringing in another.

    The full interview seems level headed enough. I doubt he was looking for anything other than a chance.

    You can hardly blame him. Lads coming in from Europe with loads of first team chances by 22-23, some as teens, while he wasn’t getting much opportunity.

    You can read a longer transcript here:

    http://shar.es/6jJsf

  8. ExoticEd says:

    Do you honestly think Fryers will walk into Spurs team? Money is his motivation. He was given games and would be given more if he had stayed.

  9. AlphaRS says:

    Some players just wanna play football.

    Best of luck to him.

  10. Ice Cube says:

    Whatever was his motive, we have lost 3 young talented players in such a short space of time. Let’s hope it doesn’t spread, we want youngster happy here and knowing they have a chance in the 1st team.

  11. parryheid says:

    Bright lights boy I think.

  12. wayne says:

    Standard Liege is Spurs feeder club by going there Spurs get out of having to pay transfer money,he’ll still end up at Spurs.If he turned down a 3 yr deal he’s a stupid little cunt

  13. Strik3rr says:

    greeds a bitch, have fun playing in a minor country in a minor league.

  14. wayne says:

    Ice Cube i hope Morrison isn’t one of the 3 ffs,i’m getting fucking sick of people going on about Pogba,displaying the traits of greediness and self importance before he’s even done fuck all good riddance

  15. samuel - united WE stand says:

    If he was good enough and believed in his own ability then he would stay and his talents will shine eventually. Bored of reading crap about “united have lost young talents”, the club will always move on and will hopefully produce better players.

    I hear constant rubbish about they’re not given a chance, logic says class will come to the fore if you have determination and quality. Proof that fergie gives younger players a chance has been proved several times. I remember him throwing chris smalling into the deep end against city or playing rafael at 19 against bayern. If you show the right temprament and ability, he’ll play you. Powell is another case, gradually he’s gathering experience which will hopefully make him a first team regular.

  16. samuel - united WE stand says:

    Wayne – the pogba-mania comes up whenever united are below par in central midfield.

  17. Costas says:

    Shit happens. Lets see if he’ll find his way back to England.

  18. Proverb says:

    Evra
    Fabio
    Buttner are all ahead of him, great move for him imo

  19. LoneStarRed says:

    So what is the difference between playing in a minor league on loan and playing in a minor league for however many years on a contract? He is still in a minor league!! If he was GOOD ENOUGH Spurs would have PAYED THE MONEY. If he was good enough United would have payed the money to keep him. Why buy Buttner if Fryers was adequate to step in? All his chin wagging fails to erase those facts.

  20. LoneStarRed says:

    @ Samuel – United we stand

    Spot on.

  21. wayne says:

    Yeah in a way have to question faith in his own ability,with Evra getting older you’d figure if this lad was any good would have fancied his chances within 3 yrs.Personally don’t see the difference in signing for Utd and going out on loan with a championship side or tossing it off in the Belgium league,you’d have to assume he doesn’t think he’s good enough to make it at Utd

  22. woodsie says:

    has pogba had a look in at juventus at all aint seen much of them this year and fryers was goodvand not that good

  23. woodsie says:

    plus @ ice cube we have only lost one player who could possibly make the differance but in a few years that was pogba fryers was a good player as i said above but not that good and as for that muppet morrison yes he had protental but he has wasted it he had many a chance at united but chose to play gangster bad boy. Then at west ham he was up to the same stuff and monlaning to people in manchesterthat he hated being at west ham how he wished he was still at united now at birmingham hows he doing there but i suppose he got time to use his emptyhad season ticket up now that boy will disapear off the football radar for good then if hes lucky might end up playing semi pro or if carrys on the way hes going he will be in strange ways for drug dealing or something like that

  24. The Left Bank says:

    I think this is a different case from Pogba. I think as @Proverb says he was always going to be down the pecking order so it’s a good move for him.

    Good luck to him….

  25. Olive Oil says:

    He rejected United because of a lack of first team opportunity and Man U wanted £6 million for him not £4 million to try and stop him going elsewhere to further his career. No doubt he will go to Spurs in the summer for £2-3 million.

  26. Gee says:

    Pogba’s doing well at Juve, he’s getting games, mostly from the bench but he’s looking good it has to be said. He scored early on in the season and I think he might have got another. When you think about their midfield as well with the likes of Vidal, Isla and Machisio, etc… Then he is defo holding his own. It’s a shame we lost him, he looks the real deal unfortunately. Was hoping he would fuck it all up like Morrison but I don’t think it’s gunna happen.

  27. LoneStarRed says:

    As of 26 September 2012 (per his wikipedai page) Fryers had 5 appearances for Standard Liegie. He may yet evolve into a top notch player but thus far he is on the trajectory expected of him at United.

  28. avoh says:

    so what if you rejected… your not a Ronaldo

  29. Tony says:

    Wayne is right, Spurs have pulled a fast one. Standard Liege and Spurs have a sporting relationship, in all probability he will end up on loan at Spurs in January, or perhaps transferred at the end of the year

  30. Tony says:

    Should also have pointed out this dates back to the Berbatov transfer. Levy was so appalled by SAFs behaviour, that he gave Spurs supporters an assurance that he would not do business with Man Utd again Clearly Utd have got the hump that Levy made damn sure Modric did not end up at OT, despite two Ferguson attempts. Therefore Utd asked reportedly £6m for a player with just 2 PL appearances. However it looks like Levy will have the last laugh on this one.

  31. mara says:

    Gee spot on…players scare that they wont get chace…so they go somewhere where they ate sure, they are going to play and develop into good players wich we are try to buy, but wont because we dont have money for expensive players. Selling Pogba was mistake, and you will see that. Rossi didnt get a chance.
    Samuel United…look mate, life is not that simple. Football is not white and black, there is grey also. A lot of talent is lost..for some of them is about player himself, for some are coaches, for some are something else. i hate when someone decide to go to other club, then you all say that he is a cunt.
    Someone said well few months ago about Pogba…when you are young that is very sensitive period. some players if they dont play, they lose selfconfidence and cant develope. Human s are not machines.
    Like Queiros said about Nani, latins, sout europeans need love, emotions, games, showing that you trust them…it is just another approach. So you go somewhere you can get that more than where you are now. Pogba is good, because if he can play in Juve, than he is good. He also played in our team. And about that that he played bad. Evans playing bad 2 years, Rooney have his moments – and he is older have more experince…but that is ok cuz he playing for us. Shitty way of looking…
    Pogba is young…he needs time..like Evans, Rafael, Clev etc. Guy wanted to play more and he went to club that can give it to him. He said that in one interview, so i dont see a problem. The fact that Saf gave him to play although, he was thinking, thinking and thinking..Saf was more than patience, tells me that Saf had strong believe in him. Saf was waiting for Evans, but Pogba was waiting Saf to give him to.play. For some young players he has all patience in the world, and for some not. We could have great defensive player but we will have, for 20 mills.
    ILike Saf but dont agree with everything he does. I Think sometimes ego driveing him through some desitions.

  32. Marq says:

    Welbeck showed that you can breakthrough to the first team regardless who is in front of you. So I say any young player that leaves is just not confident of their own abilities or greedy for more money

  33. Proverb says:

    People are quite scared of city…
    Well… I’m not
    Sir alex is!
    We have quite a lot of quality in our available squad who can counter theirs, and considering we have quite a great spirit in ours, as long as we don’t fear them we can easily win come sunday. Their talisman silva who makes thing happen for them the one that teared our mid field a new one at old trafford last season is likely to miss the derby due to a hamstring injury and that would mean they go with an out of form nasri.
    I’m quite confidant we’ll win if the put in a solid performance at the shit hole

    —————DE GEA

    Rafael —-Rio ferdy—-evans—evra

    —————Fletcher

    —-cleverly——carrick—–welbeck

    —————rooney
    ————————-V-persie

  34. Proverb says:

    Confident*

  35. Proverb says:

    Subs: scholsy, hernandez, jones, powell, valencia

  36. belfast red. says:

    Gudmorning folks. Has any1 else heard that nani isnt on next year’s official calendar? He surely must be going. Its a shame imo.

  37. woodsie says:

    lol y do people think a player is on his way if he aint on the club calender and @ proverb i aint scared of city im scared of are defence judging by each teams performances over last few weeks its going to a case of who scores the most wins but hopefully mancini will do something stupid and play his 3-5-2 formation

  38. Proverb says:

    Goodmorning @belfast
    We ship out quality players and keep the average ones as always, its a shame indeed
    Better luck for him wherever he’s heading

  39. Proverb says:

    DECEMBER 4, 2012 AT 08:27
    woodsie says:
    “lol y do people think a player is on his way if he
    aint on the club calender and @ proverb i aint
    scared of city im scared of are defence judging
    by each teams performances over last few
    weeks its going to a case of who scores the most
    wins but hopefully mancini will do something
    stupid and play his 3-5-2 formation”

    Hello fella the nani situation is soo clear to everyone that he’s no longer part of our future,
    The whole contract talk break down and the general lack of support from the majority of fans its enough to get anyone off their ***….
    I’m not going to go on about this any longer, cause as I said, its soo clear

    As for shitty, there’s a great chance we’ll win come sunday
    I do worry much when playing the bottom half table teams due to complacency from the lads but in huge games we tend to turn up the gear and play with more caution than we usually do in normal games
    Soo no worries as long as we score one more than the opposition has

  40. belfast red. says:

    @woodise. Its not official hes gone, but you would have to admit its not looking to good for the lad. I believe hes going. And Proverb i have to say i was always a fan of nani he had the skills to unlock any defense. And by far our most skilled winger. But sadly it dsnt look to good.

  41. Proverb says:

    @belfast red.
    Don’t you have any link for that mate

  42. woodsie says:

    hes got what 2-3 years left on his contract he only renewed the other year at the end of the day i like nani but for me theres 2 nanis super nani who scores creates goals or silly nani who does one too many tricks but u never know but him not being on the club calender aint a sign hes off to me

  43. Proverb says:

    Oh wait, rant not over just yet, tunnicliffe cole macheda lingard petrucci wooton keane vermijl they aren’t on our calendar they leave? NO.
    The flipping newspaper do not know how to put it
    But you can’t deny that nani is definitely on his way out
    Its a shame

  44. Proverb says:

    If you consider, this players listed above are not first teamers, nani is
    Soo why is he not in next year calendar squad when he’s a established first teamer? Its not rocket science

  45. Joner89 says:

    How many players are on next years calendar? 12? How many players make up a match day squad? 18? We have a squad of about 22 -25 players or at least two teams worth. Just cos a player isn’t on a calendar doesn’t mean he’s off. We can’t afford to lose him as we only have 3 natural wingers as it is!

  46. Proverb says:

    I’d be more than happy if you linked me @Joner89

  47. Joner89 says:

    Shinji Kagawa, Danny Welbeck, Paul Scholes, Robin Van Persie, Ryan Giggs, Ashley Young, Nemanja Vidic, Javier Hernandez, Antonio Valencia, Wayne Rooney, Michael Carrick and Tom Cleverley make up the calendar. Nani, Rafael, Jones, Anderson, Smalling, Evans, Ferdinand, Fletcher, De Gea all miss out….think you are reading into it a bit too much mate. Unless we have someone else lined up Nani isn’t going anywhere until the summer at the earliest.

  48. Proverb says:

    He’s more positive, he’s tricky, he ship in goals and assists, soo why don’t you play him in his preferred positions
    Its not always good to play players out of position just to accommodate the others, I always say keep players fighting for their positions, he scored vs spurs and chelsea and he just about deserved his place in his favored position unfortunately he got injured
    And if young is earning more he so has a reasonable shout too

  49. Proverb says:

    Thanks for the link @Joner89 but could see fuck all ;)

  50. Joner89 says:

    I don’t understand what you mean proverb? He always gets played on the wing doesn’t he? The start of his bad run in the team was when he lost the ball against Chelsea when we were 3-2 with a minute to go. We ended up losing AET and Fergie singled him out in the post match interview. I would consider him a senior player now, especially with the young team that played that game. He should have led by example and had the experience to keep the ball and see the game out. He has been injured since but that was when he first got dropped.

  51. Proverb says:

    DECEMBER 4, 2012 AT 10:02
    Joner89 says:
    “I don’t understand what you mean proverb? He
    always gets played on the wing doesn’t he? The
    start of his bad run in the team was when he
    lost the ball against Chelsea when we were 3-2
    with a minute to go. We ended up losing AET
    and Fergie singled him out in the post match
    interview. I would consider him a senior player
    now, especially with the young team that played
    that game. He should have led by example and
    had the experience to keep the ball and see the
    game out. He has been injured since but that
    was when he first got dropped.”

    I thought he played well in that game mate, he might have over did things but the goal we lost wasn’t his fault, singling him out for the loss was absolutely unnecessary, we still had a chance to defend it as he lost it upfield, its not like he gave it away in the penalty area
    We automatically had lost the match just after ando was withdrawn, we then created fuck all after nani had put us ahead

  52. Joner89 says:

    The link works for me so not sure why u can’t see it. The list I put up is from the link anyway ;) .

    On another note, if neither Giggs or Scholes play on Wednesday I fear that means they are being saved for City. Every time we have a Carrick/Fletcher + Scholes/Giggs CM combo we drop points. I’d love to see a stat of this to see if my theory is true or I’m talking shit! Either way we must play Cleverley. I would be tempted to have Rooney in midfield and RVP Hernandez upfront. But has anyone ever got Fergies selection right….

    Fair point about where he lost the ball, should still defend better. Maybe Fergie stirred it up to unsettle him so he could get rid? I just can’t see him going until we have a replacement.

  53. Proverb says:

    Yeah it does work mate but could see the list of player there after

  54. Proverb says:

    We must start fearing if they don’t feature in tomorrows CL match even though its not of much importance I hope youngsters get a chance.
    If they don’t play there’s a good chance they will take part in sundays match whether as impact subs or starters, that I can’t tell

  55. Proverb says:

    We must start fearing if they don’t feature in
    tomorrows CL match even though its not of
    much importance, I hope youngsters get a
    chance though.
    If they don’t play there’s a good chance they
    will take part in sundays match whether as
    impact subs or starters, that I can’t tell

  56. belfast red. says:

    @joner89 hopefully your right m8. Its obviously alot more than nani not being in the calendar. His total despondency when playing for us atm (when he got a game). He dosnt seem to care. Then the wage demands and the training ground bust up.. i realy hope its just the media stirring things tho,

  57. Joner89 says:

    @belfast red I didn’t hear about a training ground bust up? When did this happen? I think u are right it’s probably the media talking shite. Did u see Fergies glare of death when ESPN interviewed him after the reading game saying “why didn’t Rafael shake your hand when he got subbed?” I thought he was gona give her the Glasgow kiss haha! He despises the media meddling with the team and usually gives them fuck all to go on so they have to make stuff up.

  58. Proverb says:

    Psg and juventus two ‘top’ clubs are showing interest and there’s a likelihood they will offer more than he’s getting here

  59. Joner89 says:

    I’d that’s the case then do an Andy Carroll on PSG getting £35m and buy Bale. He is far too good for Tottenham now he will be moving on soon.

  60. Dave Malaysia says:

    Dear Fryers,

    Good to hear from u. Thanks for confirming what we understood to have happened in your case.

    No unexpected twists or turns.

    Just simply this:

    1) Your agent played a key role. Did u not change agents like pogba and morrision?
    Then all the talk of leaving and more money , first team football start?

    2) U were given opportunitys in the first team. U did well, talented but not quite ready.
    Do u remeber Welbeck and his brilliant debut and spectacular goal ?
    He unlike u, was willing to be guided by the Manager and staff
    Went out on loan , grew up ,improved and is now with the first team.

    He and Cleverly were willing to do the hardwork , like others before them and fight for a first team
    place.

    3) Did u think it was going to be easy to make it at United? We are not perfect but we work hard and usually do better than most at developing young people.

    There was Eckersly who did the same thing and spoke with conviction he was right in leaving.
    He is playing in the scandinavian league. Becos he cud not come out and say it, he was not going to make it into the first team.

    Then theres Eagles, stayed worked hard ,until it was clear he was not going to make it into the first team. The difference is he pushed to the end , he wud never have doubts or regrets in the future. He is now a key player for bolton wanderers.

    4) When u played for the first team, u were ok. U almost gave the game away. U dun beleive it?
    Go back and watch the tapes.

    5) U were not willing to work for it. U are from manchester and supposedly a United supporter.
    Yet u will always have the regret, If u are ever honest with your self.
    That u did not fight for your place, use what ever conveinient excuse u can find.

    I do know that United look for players that have Character and skill/ability. U clearly do not fit the bill.

    Good luck to you, May Manchester United Always be Free and Safe from u.

  61. Proverb says:

    Ho boy How the monkey looking kid has improved, him and valencia in both wings is a scary thought
    His price tag is way over the odds

  62. Joner89 says:

    Nice summary @Dave Malaysia hit the nail on the head several times there.

    @Proverb – he signed a new contract in the summer as well I think, yeah well is Modric was £30+ I can see Bale being £45-50, mental money.

  63. Proverb says:

    45m pounds? No thanks
    Its no like we’re short of winger, and despite his brilliance, an in form nani is a better player
    He usually goes missing in big games

  64. Dave Malaysia says:

    There is a process at United .

    When it works , Like for Evans,Tom,Welbeck and others before , they know the drill.

    Its incredible hard work to get into the first team. The more work to stay in the team .

    Guess what is required to stay as long as Scholes or Giggs?

    Do u not know the Gary Neville story?

    When u leave and have the balls to say u were good enough for the first team but the manager did not think u were ready, then u are a fuckwit.

    If u beleive your own hype and your agent , then please fuck off .

    Let me remind you of hugely talented players that have not had that sustained success in thier carreers,cos they did not take the road of hard work and honesty about themselves.

    There is a player called zaltan, many of u may have heard of. Incredibly talented but is he ever going to be as good as messi or ronaldo?

    No, arrogant bastard is like anelka, all the top clubs threw him out,mind u most of these clubs have lower standards on discipline.

    Only time will tell if these players will realise thier potential. But we are better off without them.

    United did everything we cud to guide them and convince them to stay but it did not work.

    Dissapointed? Yes. But this is United we deal with it and move on. There are others more determined to make it at United and willing to work hard to get there, lets support them.

    cud the player who left come back to hurt us , maybe, but I hope we are free from them for good.

  65. belfast red. says:

    It will be interesting to see what kinda team mankini fields tonight. Its a cert he rests sliva and toerag

  66. Dave Malaysia says:

    @Joner89: Tq. But u will see many fans condemm Fergie and United as fucking up with these kids.

    Sorry state of affairs with some of this dumwit fans,they have it too easy they dun know what they have.

    When its gone then maybe , just maybe they might understand.

  67. Proverb says:

    Silva is injures mate, hopefully he doesn’t recover until after the derby

  68. Proverb says:

    Injured

  69. Joner89 says:

    @Dave Malaysia – there are a wealth of class players all over the world, if it was down to some fans we would try and sign them all. Like you said you have to have a certain character to be a united player. Loyalty and hard work are key traits needed. Arrogance is avoided. That’s why I’m glad we got level headed Kagawa rather than twitter hungry Hazard whoring himself out. The players with the right mentality always make it. I always remember Fergie saying missing out on Ronaldinho opened the door to Ronaldo coming to the club. I always trust him when it comes to buying and selling players.

  70. Proverb says:

    I have mixed reactions here mate, firstly was happy to see them out of europa also, but now I think that would give them the edge in the run in as they would have all the time of the world to prepare for every single game. Also would take a lot of pleasure seeing hem out completely from europe competitions.
    Still undecided
    Fuck it! May they be out of europa aswell by the end of the day, I wish the cunts nothing good

  71. Proverb says:

    We should know that fergie is not flawless
    Sometimes his decision making is questionable and the fans are to question it like they rightly praise him in grlory days
    While acknowledging that he usually does good than bad for the team, sometimes fans exaggerate

  72. belfast red. says:

    @proverb didnt knw sliva was out. Thats a total plus for sunday then. But i totally agree with u about not knwing whats the better thing 4 us. It would be great to see all the big egos squirm if they went out of Europe totally and create alot of negative energy. It would give them al the time and space to focus on the league tho. I think mankini will rest his big guns for sunday tho. He knows whats mre important to them h8full cunts they call supporters.

  73. TheCANTONA says:

    @Joner89:
    thanks for that calendar link mate, i can see it very CLEARLY. Oh yes i agree people reading too much about this silly calendar thing.

  74. Jay says:

    I don’t think Fryers was wrong to leave and to be honest I don’t care if he left for more money or playing time. Football is fickle, very fickle, clubs are not loyal to players and players are not loyal to clubs, fans are also not loyal to players, one minute they love a player the next minute they are wanting him shipped out. I can understand why Pogba left he is doing very well and in a Juventus team whose midfield is far superior than Manchester United’s that is saying something. Robin van Persie also left Arsenal for more money but there were also other factors that contributed to him coming to us such as competition and a realistic chance of winning trophies can’t the same be said about Pogba. Do you really think Messi would still be at Barcelona had they not won any major trophies and was the highest paid player at Barcelona no bloody way. If Fryers felt he had to move then that is good for him, Berbatov and Owen were told they were needed but then were not used.

  75. TheCANTONA says:

    I have no problem at all if Nani fuck off from this club.
    Better players has left the club over these years and we haven’t done very bad have we??

  76. mara says:

    jay, you said it great. Clubs are not loyal, players either…and that is fact. We werent correct tNo one is perfeo all players, so you get it back from some other players. no one is perfect, so we…but we have to be realistic.

  77. King Eric says:

    mara – What tosh. OOh players need love and attention, especially the Latino’s! Are you serious? Fuck them. What do we do, pander to their fucking faggot whims. Pogba is a fucking greedy cunt who was tapped up by that bitter City “Legend” Viera.

  78. King Eric says:

    I could play for fucking Juve in a shit slow Italian league. Don’t you think Fergie would have spoke to the lad? Look at Powell, he is getting chances as his attitude is spot on.

  79. King Eric says:

    The Mail is running that story on Nani leaving as he isnt on calendar. Err you can only have 12 players on a calendar! As for Silva this is Mancini’s pathetic mindgames. He will be fit for Sunday.

  80. LoneStarRed says:

    @ Dave Malaysia 10:46

    Good stuff there. He was simply not good enough to get what he was asking.

    To whoever said Spurs get the last laugh when they acquire him from Standard: Bollocks. We get the last laugh when we play against him and tear him a new one !

  81. mara says:

    King Eric – you need to respect other opinions. Players are not machines, they are humans. Maybe you are not human, and you cant understand that, wich is ok, if you feel that way. The time of Staljin past away, so today you can t do the same way then 20 years ago.
    If they want to play somewhere else, they are not jerks and scmus. About Pogba, it is more about SAF s ego, then disrespectful bahaviour. Guy said in one iterview, that SAF was angry because he didnt want to sign, his pride was hurt.
    Maybe latinos are faggots…but in the same time they are the best players in the world…and they are good when they play for us, and shit when they decide to play for others – very intelligent way of thinking, i must admit…

  82. King Eric says:

    mara – No worries mate. Funnily enough Nani performs a damn site better for Portugal than United!!

  83. mara says:

    King Eric – that is because he gets lot of love in Portugal :-) :-P

  84. mara says:

    Yes very slow Juve midfield…they played well against Chelski…going to next level in CL….Selling Pogba was mistake….you will see that, like it or not

  85. KJ says:

    Fryers would have been cover for Evra had he stayed. He left to get more first team football……. Jokes on him, Buttner has started more games than he has so far!

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