MUST have tonight claimed that the green and gold protests will continue this season and will start with tomorrow’s game against Fulham, with the away supposedly joining in.
“At the match tomorrow – assuming the Glazers’ security don’t try to suppress free speech – a significant number of Fulham fans will be taking Green & Gold scarves into the away section,” said Duncan Drasdo, chief executive of MUST. “Due to increased ticket pricing Fulham are only expecting to bring about 500 supporters but we expect one fifth of them will be attempting to bring in a Green & Gold scarf. That is an incredible gesture for away fans who naturally, first and foremost, want to support their own team. We didn’t ask them to do this. They approached us with the idea. It is is a tremendous show of solidarity. If a group of away fans can do this United fans should use it as a spur to up our own game and rebuild the powerful Green & Gold campaign over the coming season.”
Communications and Media Director of Fulham Supporters Trust, Dan Crawford, echoed this sentiment.
“Fulham fans are grateful for MUST’s support during our campaign to return Fulham FC to Craven Cottage,” he said. “Our own campaign has reached a successful conclusion, with the club being granted planning permission, expanding the stadium to 30,000. Like fans at many clubs I’ve become increasingly concerned by the activities of owners like the Glazers – abusing our clubs and the loyalty of the fans for their own ends. The fans are the lifeblood of any club and parasitic owners like the Glazers are draining that lifeblood away. Supporter participation in ownership is the way forward to protect our clubs and fans from exploitative owners. MUST has run a fantastic campaign so far drawing admiration from likeminded fans of rival clubs all over the world. The Green & Gold colours are such a powerful symbol – with their historical link going back to the roots of the club and showing fans’ desire to defend their club and its history. While we remain rivals on the pitch we wanted to show our solidarity with this campaign and encourage United fans and indeed all fans at all clubs to support each other in the fight for fans to reclaim their clubs.”
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Fuck off glory glory Man u. Your a sad person, who needs a real life. All you do everyday is refresh the web page and then when a new topic comes up you write first. Are u that fucking childish. Big deal your not the only one reading the article you prick.
Fair play Fulham, the long term future of the club is more important than anything. Good performance tomorrow lads, smash Fulham into smithereens and get this season going at the second attempt.
And fuck this MUST shit. The thing we need most tomo is the fans to be behind the team and roar them forward because we need a good result and more importantly we need to get our trophy back from city. The last thing we need is MUST creating a negative atmosphere at the stadium and fighting for something that MUST will never achieve either. Why do u want glazer’s out. I actually love the way my club is being run right now. We have the funds to get the players fergie wants, we can pay top dollar for players like van Persie, we can offer good contracts and we still be ambitiious to our top players and make them stay. Also the glazer have made this club stronger commercially, our commercial value is bigger than any other club in the world and we are easily attractive to sponsors like Chevrolet who’s worth is half a billion to us and 8 other companies. So what the fuck is wrong I don’t understand. It’s not like we are soo bad like Liverpool and not challenging for trophies. Actually we are quite in a comfortable postion I feel. So stop this bullshit and get behind the team tomo and let united be run the way it is. No one over here is a financial adviser, and I’m sure united have the best ones to keep the club going and be strong financially. Im fucking passionate united supporter and buzzing for tomo. Let’s kick ass
I think it is a good thing that other fans are doing this as it is the lifeblood of this club and the figures don’t suggest happiness. What happens if the Glazers see this investment out till 2017 nobody really knows and they may just sell us on to some rich arabs sugar daddy, what is the right thing I do not really know.
We wait in Hope
Forza Brigadier.
Snoop,
Stop talking out your Hoop for fuck sake.
True, we may not be financial advisers but Andersred is and it would pay you better to read some of his analysis instead of dictating to us on how we should feel about the Glazers.
We are all passionate about United and whatever our views on our owners does not make one group more passionate than the other.
The best way to protest the Glazers is not to pay for the games. The green and gold campaign is pointless, and accomplishes nothing but something else for Sir Alex to comment on in his press conference. From the sit ins, and lay downs of yesteryear, to the modern protest of today – laziness.
Footballing wise we look good, and we also impressive commericially, and we look quite alright with the glazer ownership so what’s the problem with MUST. You come to old Trafford to enjoy and support your team, not to go there just cos you don’t like the way the club is being run.MUST demands will fall on deaf ears. The club looks fine too me and we are blessed to support be. So my advise to fans reading is GO SUPPORT THE PLAYERS and LET THE SUPPORTER PULL US CLOSER TO the 20th title.
Footballing wise we look good, and we are also impressive commericially, and we look quite alright with the glazer ownership so what’s the problem with MUST. You come to old Trafford to enjoy and support your team, not to go there just cos you don’t like the way the club is being run.MUST demands will fall on deaf ears. The club looks fine too me and we are blessed to support united. So my advise to fans reading this is GO SUPPORT THE PLAYERS and LET THE SUPPORTER PULL US CLOSER TO the 20th title.
IT’S A LIE. 1/5 of fulham fans will be hardcore united fans. They are trying to think that every other club fans really care about us and want the glazers out. It’s a FAKE and it’s set up…shame on those who did it
There is no perfect ownership model.
Real Madrid are bank rolled by the Spanish government and if they are short of a few bob they just sell their training ground to the city of Madrid and have the state build them a new one.
Barcelona, who we are all meant to bow and faun over, owe tens and tens of millions to the Spanish government in unpaid taxes from their payroll bill. And we all thought that their shit smelled of roses! They were protrayed as the perfect onwership model where fans held shares and voted on the direction of the club. How much of a say did they have when the Qatari Royal family paid them millions to put their “foundation” name all over it?
Snoop you are a WUM
I’m not dictating anything, but if you want to protest don’t turn up to matches simple like someone else said. Support your team 100% on the pitch instead.
Snoop. U have to listen to pebblesmeller he is absolutely right and spot on. I like he’s argument so much
Snoop,
I know what you are saying but I sometimes feel that there must come a point in the whole ownership crisis where the bigger picture,where the past of our club is respected and its’ future is secure, is seen. The players, the manager, the chief executive, the ground staff, the owners etc. will all be gone and the club will still be there. We as individuals will be gone but supporters will still be there and we must secure the future of the club. If it means that a generation decides not to go to Old Trafford and force the club into the position where it is no longer the cash cow that the Glazers assume it to be, then so be it.
Bottom line, £480,000,000 taken out of the club in interest payments, bond issues, share sales, advisors fees etc.
£480,000,000.
Fair play Fulham and I hope we help them achieve what they’re after too. The sooner the Glazers are gone the better for the club.
I hope the lads play well and really put them to the sword tomorrow, really looking forward to it.
As for supporting the players, in general, you are correct but I have to admit to finding it harder and harder to support one of them in particular. If that fag-smoking beer swilling fat fucker Rooney trundles around the place tommorrow afternoon like a sunday pub league centre forward he can sling his hook. After all the faith, support and nuturing that the club and fergie put into him over the years he wasn’t long losing the “ambition” (that our club supposedly didn’t have) once the ink was dry on his £250,000 per week pay cheque.
His shape and performance last Monday night was a disgrace for a professional athlete. How fucking long does it take him to get fit. And to think that Ando gets grief!!
ill be digging out my green and gold scarf for tomorrow
Pebblesmeller. So whats the next step for united. Won’t the glazers eventually want to sell? And if they do who will they sell to?..will our next owners look to secure our future or use united as investment opportunity to make money out of it, which they are entitled to because that are ones who will be forking billions of money and taking a risk on this club. Football ownership is more about making money than making fans happy, but we just have to accept this and this is how it’s going to be forever. We as fans just have to support the team. United worth is 1.5 billion right now. The only people who can buy us out is the saudi royal family who are filthy rich with oil money. If the clubs goes in their hands u think things will change??. They are the last people to sell to as they will turn this club over.., do u want us to be like city and psg. I’m quite happy with my clubs integrity And modesty as the way it is under glazers and majority Of fans look happy. That’s all i m sayin. If u bought united right now, wouldn’t u also want get the best investment out of it. Every buyer/investor thinks like this??.
Honestly, the comments on this page are fucking depressing.
If buying a club against a mountain of debt is a good idea, then wow, didn’t we do well.
At the same time, the second we became a plc meant we were open to it.
Snoop, this isn’t Compton fella so sup on your gin and juice where you can find like minded g’s up and hoes down whilst you, a blatant motherfucker bounce to this. You preech as if from some divine porch where a 40 entitles you to bemoan our support and encourage us to ‘kick ass”. This isn’t Tampa fucking Bay, homie.
I love United. We all love United. Let’s be grateful that for now we still have a club to support.
Viva Le revolution.
Green & Gold? I always dress in black.
Come on you fucking Reds- lets ave it.
Pebblesmeller. U right with Rooney. He may have scored goals but I thinks he has used goals to cover his performance which I thinks have been so poor. He gets paid 250k and to say he is on par with players like messi, Ronald’s, agguro, xavi and iniesta is a complete joke. Many will say he carried us with his goals. His goals weren’t fantastic many of them were tap ins, free kicks and penalties and deflected shots none of them were any brilliant at all. Aguero is a modern day stricken, not like that like that fat piece of shit have upfront who almost stands all the time. If anything he should be shown the door
Are u boys ready for Tomo’s game?. And please snoop and pebblesmeller enough of fighting, everyone is entitled to their opinions we all here love the club and are passionate supporters so lets move on.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Aug/rio-ferdinand-could-return-for-southampton-but-evans-has-setback.aspx
It would have surprised me if Evans didn’t suffer a setback in training. FFS.
Hey Costas, I responded on the Danny thread, and I think that is great news for MUFC that Danny is red as long as welcomed.
On nice thing Rafa.
———DDG———
Rafa–Carrick–Vida–Evra
——Anderson–Clevs—
Tony V—Kagawa—Rooney
————RVP———
Let Rooney run 1/2 a stone off if he sucks air, Young comes on, Wazza hates not playing, SAF has used that before in their relationship. Tell Wazza body up Dembale, and track back for the Evras runs. Tony, Rafa overlapping runs hitting good consistent crosses to RVP, Kagawa, and a back post late running Rooney!!!
That Rooney his 185 goals cover up how bad he is. If Messi played in the PL would he get 76 goals or WTF ever????
OK SAF say business done.
Maybe the Mexican lad in Jan?
Cool lets look at this run for 20 club.
Keepers—— DDG, Lindy, Johnson
Defenders——— Rafa, Jones, Smalling, Rio, Vida, Evans, Evra, Butt
CMFer’s. Carrick, Scholes, Anderson, Clevs, Kagawa, Giggs, Powell
Wings—– Tony V. Nani, Young, Bebe, Kiko
Strikers— Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Lil Pea, Berba.
Then my man, Fletch best of things for you mate.
next seson we might see a few players leaving definitely :
scholes, giggs, bebe, berba, kiko..I expect united to only sign 2 players next season..a CM and CB..and thats all
yaaawwwnnnn…
how about a thread about the team selection? about robin van persie? about dutch players historically on debuts? fuck, i’ll even take one about aguero being out.
we MUST move past this MUST bullshit. fulham want to help divide our fanbase and take the focus off supporting the players on the pitch, and the muppets at MUST bought into it. good work, knobs.
MUST is total bullshit
BBQ uummmm
http://www.bbc.com/travel/blog/20120823-travelwise-the-geography-of-american-barbecue
MUST is total bullshit ir right!
must you STR???
MUST THOUGHT THEY COULD BUY THE CLUB HAHAHAHAHAH…
One question.
Who do you think knows more about finance? George Soros (who just bout 3m vitually no vote / no dividend prospect shares of United) or MUST. The debt is totally irrelevant in the real world but of course MUST and their followers don’t live there.
Lets stick to football here.
Great to hear. Fulham fans don’t need to do this but well done to the 2 supporters trusts. Wow 3000, new MUST members in a week.
At least MUST makes an attempt. Look at what happened to the rangers for fuck sake. Glazers limits our stride, we could’ve achieved 20th few seasons ago. All those who opposes MUST are fools, unless you’ve better ideas. FFS…
Its worrying that some quarters of our fans don’t think that Glazers’ rule isn’t worrying.
Back to topic, great gesture Fulham! (Sunderland, learn.)
that really is a very nice gesture from the fulham fans
Happy matchday.
I have never liked what MUST are doing. They like may owners are selfish. Today our fans should cheer for our club rather than focusing on internal matters. We don’t need this now we have done a decent piece of business in the transfer season. I am very happy what we have done. Maybe we should send some young guys on loan.
A convincing home win with an awesome performance from all the players is what really matters to me. I’ll leave the business end of the team to the financial experts. One thing i know is that the debt is dropping which is always a good sign.
If Glazier is no good?
If Sugar Daddy is no good?
If PLC is no good?
If Fan owned is no good?
So how do we run it? Its easy to oppose for the sake of opposing, but what is the way forward? Until MUST points to a logical direction, to me they are just stroking the flames to turn fans against the club, like any oppositions to a ruling government
@Aaronaldo
unless MUST come up with a better idea (instead of boycotting the club) they’re just bunch of fools & I, personally, won’t support them.
@Aaronaldo
unless MUST come up with a better idea (instead of boycotting the club) they’re just bunch of clowns & I, personally, won’t support them. & i dont need a person to call me fool for my own choice.
Someone here said
” The debt is totally irrelevant in the real world”
Tell that to Leeds, Portsmouth and Rangers fans and see what they think of you.
Someone here said
” I’ll leave the business end of the team to the financial experts”
Go watch the movies “Inside Job” and “Freakonomics” and then tell if you would trust a “financial expert” to handle your business ever again.
I am not opposing the ownership of a single person or group. Eventually its a business and someone has to own it. But the way the Glazers did it (piling huge debt) and the way the governing body allowed it was so despicable that there must be some voice against it so that becomes a barrier against any such deal in the future. How can someone own something he cannot afford to buy. The ownership should not be his as the money was not his. The world is suffering with recession because of such debt ridden deals. This must change.
off topic (sorry) but how about some thoughts on todays formation. I would like to see this 4-1-4-1 with all five forwards with interchangeable positions
………………ddg
rafa…carrick…vida…evra
……………..ando
av7….kags….roon…nani
……………….rvp
Personally I know fuck all about MUST aside what I read on here and then most times its some long lengthy write up about financial jargon concerning the club, only to be countered by another poster. Leaves me utterly confused tbfh. Just bring on the friggin game so we see just how far we’ve come from our loss
Shakshamboo
I bought a $500,000 house with money I did not have. It is called a mortgage. I earn $6,000 a month and repay $1,000 a month.
I would rather have no repayments and pocket the $1,000 a month but I can live comfortably with $5,000.
Many people and businesses operate like this, only on a much bigger scale. A bit like United.
Great point about Soros from Dave Mack. 2 words to shut the IPO doom mongers up – George Soros.
MUST (at least under their current leadership / guise) have a massive credibility problem. Nothing more than a bunch of whining cretins with a limp pipe dream.
We get ST prices frozen again, 5 signings, including the so called big names that people clamour for. And a few numpties want to resurrect the ineffectual green and gold campaign? You MUST be joking, right?
Anyway, back to more important matters. Getting behind the team and getting some points on the board.
The only green and gold interested in today is seeing that fantastic pitch (looked in great nick on Wednesday morning when I was there) and making sure I don’t forget my Gold Season Ticket (a great idea of rewarding loyaty by the way, United)….might even use one of my complimentary vouchers for a free Singha – thanks again, United.
Maybe we’d have less debt if people stopped boycotting!! Forever and ever!
Sahin joins Liverpool for all you Sahin lovers out there.
@Zibbie
I saw it mate. Cheers.
Who would you RATHER have in charge of a business? A financial expert or a group of fans with a political agenda in mind? EVERY BIG COMPANY I have EVER known have SOME sort of manageable debt. For a business to grow to world class status, you’ve GOT to borrow some money at some point. You people talk like the Glazers are doing completely nothing to try and reduce the debt.
People keep telling me that a fan run club is the best route to go but let’s look at Barcelona the supposed “epitome” of a fan-run club. They are in HEAVY DEBT if you didn’t know. And their debt is not manageable. Real Madrid have a SUPER RICH president bankrolling the club.
AZnd why for the love of God are people mentioning leeds united, portsmouth, Rangers. Do they have EVEN HALF of the global reach we have? It’s almost like you WANT the club to go under. Concentrate on the football. the debt is being taken care of.
@danny
The club was run under a pretty good debt free model before it was bought in 2005. Unless we hadn’t attained world class status back then…
@costas the reason we were debt free was because we floated on the London stock exchange in 91. It was form that flotation we were able to raise enough money to expand commercially and clear ANY form of manageable debt we had in the process. The Glazers don’t want a heavily indebted club which is why they are trying raise money to address that exact issue just like in 1991.
Having debt is ok but only if it was taken for the betterment of the business. This club did not need any debt. It was doing very well without it.
The non regulation of financial deals (involving debt) of big companies is what has brought about the recession in the world.
I have no qualms with the Glazers. They are businessmen. They took huge debt. to own this club because they saw the deal as profitable for them.
My problem is with the people who endorsed the deal. There should have been better regulatory control to stop such deals.
We have grown financially because of our global reach. But that is because we constantly win trophies. What will happen when we go through a barren spell (which is not impossible). Remember, we still have to replace SAF.
My viewpoint (or hope) of this protest is that even though it may not be able to alter what has already been done. It may become helpful to prevent similar situations for other clubs in the future.
@danny
That could be what happens a looong way down the line. I was just answering the question about whether a big company can thrive without any debts. And the answer is how the club operated from 91 until 05. It never needed a debt model to survive. I don’t know how or when the Glazers plan to make United debt free again, but it’s a process that’s also taken its toll on the club along the way.
Didn’t see one green and gold scarf when watching the match on the telly. Definitely didn’t see any Fulham supporters wearing any.
So I can take it that the protest wasn’t a stunning success then?
To draw a line under this lamentable bollocks, I could not see a single Fulham supporter wearing G&G at OT today. In fact, I’d say less than 1 in 100 United supporters were doing so.
New found respect for Fulham
@Costas
Just catching up with all the posts and comments I have missed as I have been away from here for a week. Now you may not read this but just wanted to say the following
- Was the PLC debt free? The shares were a debt, the club borrowed money from the shareholders and in return gave them a promise of repaying this investment by paying dividends. So while it may be more ‘acceptable’ to many it’s not like a share offering is usually ‘debt free’ (The Glazers one is about as close as you get but even then there is an expectation like any IPO to return the investment by growing the business in value)
- Could the PLC have been debt free in the modern world. The PLC was done at the perfect time but it struggled a little against a Sugar Daddy in Jack Walker and compared to the current sugar daddy owners we see around the world he was a pauper. It struggled against Abramovich initially and it needed a change of approach let alone with multiple of them