The love and affection Liverpool fans have for Steven Gerrard has baffled me ever since he handed in his transfer requests. This fella claims to love the club but on two occasions was tempted to leave to become a rentboy, of all things.
The problem with Gerrard is, despite his talent, he loves himself far more than he will any club he plays for. When you contrast him with Gary Neville, who’s never had bags of talent but has been driven by his desire to play for our club, he only comes off looking even worse.
“I still wonder why I was invited back every year, and it can only have been attitude,” Neville has reflected in the past. “If training started at 5pm, I would be there at 4.15, passing against a wall. I knew I had to do that when I saw the skills of local lads like Paul Scholes and Nicky Butt at 13. If you aren’t the most talented player in the world, you have to sprint to keep up. You have to make sacrifices. When I left school at 16, I made the conscious decision that I would cut myself off from all my mates. It sounds brutal but I knew that they would be doing all sorts of teenage things that I couldn’t get involved with. My dad told me: ‘You’ve got two years to give it a real go. Never look back and wish you’d done more.’”
Neville was never going to be a superstar and he never wanted to be one. He wanted to be a Manchester United player. The way he conducts himself on and off the pitch is testament to that. He doesn’t want to be in the spotlight he just wants to do well for our club.
“I always tell the young players here if you look down at your shirt and see a Manchester United badge, you’re not having a bad day,” Neville has said. “You’re doing all right. The day I don’t have the United badge on my chest will be a sad one for me. I don’t think I can ever have the same feeling playing for another football club. I always say this to the fans when they talk about who owns the club or who the directors are or who the chairman is: when you first walked into that ground at the age of five or 10, you didn’t walk up the steps from the refreshment bar and think, who’s that sat over there in the directors’ box? You fell in love with that team running out in that red shirt, in that great ground, on that green pitch. That was what drew you to the club and made you think, wow, that’s got me. And it’s an addiction you have for life. It was walking into the stadium, that’s what gripped me, the size of it — I was in awe of the whole place. I just love everything; the badge, the history. I saw men screaming, with the veins coming out of their neck, on Deansgate the day after we won the European Cup. Nothing in their life made them do that before, nothing in their life made them do it since. You can spend 30 quid on nothing these days, on absolute rubbish. Or you can get the buzz of your life out of watching United.”
United is the be all and end all for our captain and his attitude is reflective of the fans. United is the pinnacle and everything else comes second.
“Getting back into the England squad is not something that I think about,” Neville has said. “Playing for United has always been the most important thing for me and remains so. If England recognition comes, that’s a bonus – but it’s not something that I think about too much. I’ve always considered it an extension to playing for United.”
Winning with United is all that counts and if he can’t win with United, then United winning is good enough. In his grey suit in the pouring rain of Moscow, Neville was jumping about like a loon on the pitch, hugging our players and manager, celebrating like a fan… because he is a fan.
Can you imagine Gerrard behaving in the same way? Had he missed out on the second greatest season of Liverpool’s history and had to watch his team win the European Cup from the sidelines, would he have taken the same joy Neville did, or would he have been gutted that it wasn’t all about him?
The thing is, Gerrard’s priority isn’t Liverpool. In fact, Liverpool don’t even come second.
“When I join up with England, these games are bigger than Champions League games or league games,” Gerrard said in 2007. “If you go to a major tournament and play well or achieve something as a team it’s going to be a lot bigger than achieving something at your club.”
Stevie Me, as he is known, likes being centre of attention. When he scored that fabulous winning goal in the 2006 FA Cup final, he ran to the fans and turned his back on them, tapping his name on his shirt. It wasn’t a Liverpool moment, it was a Steven Gerrard moment. Compare this to Gary Neville, who took great pride in showing off his badge to the travelling support when Rio Ferdinand scored an injury time winner a few years back.
Compare this even to Wayne Rooney, our adopted scouser. At this point, let’s make clear the difference between Liverpool scouse and Everton scouse. Everton scousers rip the shit out of Gerrard and join us in trying to bring awareness about those 39 Italians who deserve as much justice as any others killed needlessly at a football match. Our enemy’s enemy becomes our friend, so whilst I’m not waving the blue flag of Merseyside, it is important a distinction is made when we talk of ‘scousers’. After all, any member of the Neville family wouldn’t dream of pulling on the shirt of those bastards, but will happily captain the team that despises them.
Rooney kisses our badge instead of tapping his name on the back of his shirt, but that’s by the by. What is important is the 100% he gives to every game and his desire to win. It doesn’t become the Wayne Rooney show when he’s on the park but his determination to help United win is what the fans love him for. He isn’t interested in being Mr Big Time, he just wants to play football, he wants to win, he wants to lift trophies, and at the end of it all, he wants to go home to the missus and play on his PSP.
When United beat Liverpool 3-0 at home last season and Steve Gerrard went missing against us (again), he didn’t think about the fans’ feelings, who understandably were licking their wounds after a thrashing, rather gave the highest praise to young Rooney, claiming he ripped Liverpool to shreds.
“I’ve seen him do it [play up front alone] with Manchester United,” Gerrard said. “He destroyed us at the weekend with his direct running and making it difficult for defenders.”
Rooney destroyed them? Ouch. Can you imagine either Neville or Rooney making any such comment in the light of a 3-0 defeat at the hands of the dippers? Course they wouldn’t!
Regardless, it is somewhat comforting to read the perspective of Liverpool-supporting Tony Evans, who gives an insight in to a fan’s view of Gerrard that we don’t see very often. It has long-puzzled me why they still sing his name on a weekly basis (particularly considering how much we’ve given the cold shoulder to Ronaldo, who never handed in a transfer request and never proclaimed he was a United lad through-and-through, on the contrary, always being honest about his intentions to one day leave for Spain) after the way he treated the club and still continues to behave.
Almost from the beginning, more than ten years back now, there were those who found Gerrard’s demeanour irritating. As soon as it became clear that here was a prodigious talent, the critics in the stands saw room for complaint. At times, the youngster appeared to be looking for the flashy ‘Hollywood’ pass when an easy ball was the preferred option.
Gerrard was earning the nickname ‘Stevie Me’. When he scored, he pointed to his chest frantically. When he was used on the right of midfield – which the Kop, almost to a man considered his best position – he seemed to sulk, yearning for the central role the media demanded. And, in the big games, the alehouse tittle-tattle said, he disappeared. That meant, in simplest terms, he’d never destroyed Manchester United single-handedly. Yet, by the time Benitez arrived, he seemed to feel he was the dominant power at the club.
The perfect example of ambivalence to Gerrard came in Istanbul. After he scored Liverpool’s opening goal, he turned to rouse the crowd, gesturing with his arms for fans to turn up the volume. The volume rose, for sure, but there was an irritated growl behind it: we didn’t need lesson in support from him. Afterwards, he hogged the cup, with only Jamie Carragher wresting it away for any length of time. Not the Liverpool way. Not the work of a captain, either.
The there was the flirtation with Chelsea. It was almost too much to bear to see a Scouser apparently determined to take Roman’s roubles.
It’s reassuring to see there are some scousers with sense! Although I won’t hold my breath on hearing them praise the attitude of Neville or Rooney ahead of Stevie Me!
You can look at the reasons why Liverpool are still unable to compete with us properly for the title. You might fancy Rafa’s idea about transfers, Martin Samuel’s ideas about us simply having a better squad… or maybe you look to the most important players at each club, the leaders. Gerrard is a poor man’s Gary Neville or Ryan Giggs when it comes to commitment and love for the club, which certainly might go some way in helping explain why United look set to claim their third title in a row and match Liverpool’s total, whilst they look increasingly likely to make it nineteen years since winning the league.
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i hate people saying it but i think 6 points before liverpool play will kill them off
p.s. i love seen the red nev so happy with beating liverfool
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“The love and affection Liverpool fans have for Steven Gerrard has baffled me ever since he handed in his transfer requests. This fella claims to love the club but on two occasions was tempted to leave to become a rentboy, of all things.
The problem with Gerrard is, despite his talent, he loves himself far more than he will any club he plays for. When you contrast him with Gary Neville, who’s never had bags of talent but has been driven by his desire to play for our club, he only comes off looking even worse.”
thats prob the best thing ever wrote on this blog
it sums up everything thats wrong with liverpool and right with united
Hahahahaha – OBSSESSED.
Your manager loves Stevie, what a player.
What could have been, eh, mancs.
Ps. Is Ronaldo forgiven now?
Its a sin to compare Neville with Gerrard!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GUgKXjXUVU
Hehe, Stevie destroyed Keane that day. Men against boys.
Keane would have Gerrard and Pancake for breakfast.
Sir Matt Busby YNWA – Man City Great, Liverpool Legend
TWAT..!!!
Scott you are a Typical Manc, you have to cut and paste the comments from a journalist snake’s article from the “Times Online” to be able to appear to have any grasp of the game.
Rooney is a striker and Gerrard is a midfielder so strikers are more likely to appear as having “destroyed a team” as you put it!
oh yeah, and do you know what actually started Heysel..???
It was 4 FULLY GROWN Italians kicking the shit out of a 13 year old Scouse kid, PLUS I think you will find that not one single Scouser actually, directly killed an Italian, it was the crush of other italians and a 15 foot wall collapsing.
See you in March.
got anymore history for us cally. wanna reminisce a bit more.
nevermind Stevie. What about that Torres bitch, she’s hot!
Johnny nice to see you can re write history, typical dipper never your fault.
Johnny the Fox… “you will find that not one single Scouser actually, directly killed an Italian, it was the crush of other italians and a 15 foot wall collapsing.”. Well if that doesnt say everything about your intelligence and ignorance. I hope even the scousers on here cringe at that statement. You ignorant prick.
Typical manc scum, constantly dredging up football tragedies to score cheap points.
Such a classy club.
Ask the relative of the Munich victims….and AIG.
to be honest, i wouldnt have brought Stevie GBH into this article, it was a great read about Nevilles passion for the club, which is the only thing that matters. I couldn’t give a fuck what that diving, bug eyed, dj smacking step dad says or does, he isnt on the united radar in my opinion
Gary Neville is a red….
really good article. agree with everything
Tony Evans is the sports editor for the times, he usually appears on the game podcast and this is what he said last week and I quote.
“Man United aren’t a great team, they have no balance in the side”
bitter, bitter, bitter, maybe he is cally?
Cally all we are doing is giving the history of your club, you should be embarrassed, also you were called the worst fans in Europe stealing tickets out of hands of children in Athens, you are scum.
Yea Cally, what could have been. How much would Stevie have won if he was a manc? Remember he said he was jealous with us before? What could have been indeed… btw, yes we are obsessed, obsessed with our club, thats why we are here, so may i ask why are u here? obsessed with us huh? naughty you
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Come on, mancs, you’re no angels. When you lot were the glint in the Premiership’s eye, you were constantly labelled the worst hooligans in football and even had to play a few games behind closed doors.
Ask that Crystal Palace fan…
Ps. Say hello to the Roma Poliza for me.
Kisses.
Is that the best you can do?!
Ha ha your fans are scum everyone knows that, ask Alan Smith I bet you are so proud about that arn’t you?
Ask the Juventus fans
Ask our staff after the FA Cup game against Arsenal,
Ask Tom Hick’s son who was spat at by one of yours,
I could be here all day……
Ps kisses from you? I would probably catch something, no thanks.
I’m sure there’s more but I feel a bit nauseous if I spend longer than nessessary on a vermin site.
I’ll ignore the women and kids getting punched and spat at coming out of OT. They probably deseerved it, right, scousers all that, just like your best player.
Sting!
Come on, you love the man beef. I bet you’ve got a half naked piccie of Ronaldo in your purse.
Did you not consider personality traits – would Roy Keane have jumped all over the pitch like Gary Neville? Roy Keane is more measured and composed apart from when he see’s blonde haired Man City players.
So what that Gary Neville loves Utd to the detriment of everything else in his life. He did gift Liverpool a few goals over the years too…..
Once he tried to push Michael Owen in the back as he headed in a goal – as his marking was appalling. Another time he handballed with BOTH arms just outside the box and then DENIED he’d done it (it was blatant) and Murphy popped home the free kick.
Gerrard scored a blinder against Utd some years ago when Liverpool won 2-0.
The 3-0 last season was when the losing team had 10 men for an hour of the game.
You look in the dustbin for something to eat,
You find a dead rat and you think it’s a treat,
In your Liverpool slums
In your Liverpool slums
You shit on the carpet, you piss in the bath,
You finger your grandma, and think its a laugh,
In your Liverpool slums
In your Liverpool slums
You speak in an accent exceedingly rare,
You wear a pink tracksuit and have curly hair,
In your Liverpool slums
In your Liverpool slums
Your mum’s on the game and your dad’s in the nick,
You can’t get a job ‘cos you’re too fucking thick,
In your Liverpool slums…..
What an intelligent post well done, you are now just embarasing yourself even more.
Look at all these scousers obsessed with United, Cally your always on here this is a MANCHESTER UNITED BLOG! you sad scouse twat.
And for you slating Scott you do realise your just making his site more popular by coming on here everyday and posting your drivel.
Steve gerrard gerrard
he kisses the badge on his chest
then hands in a transfer request
steve gerrard gerrard
“say hello to roma police” ? 96WNE
96WNE?
Classy mancs.
North Stand,Tier 3,Back Row
What happened at Heysel then..??? Clever dick.
1) Steven Gerrard never handed in a transfer request.
2) Mancs seems to have forgotten the Carling Cup final which Liverpool won 2-0, thanks to Gerrard and his man of the match performance and goal in a league game at Anfield a few years ago. A game Liverpool won 3-1.
Typical, hypocritical, manc vermin, they’re well known for it. Everyone in the game knows what horrid, snide fans they are, and it eats away at them.
They lack the wit and intelligence to engage with opposing fans without resorting to gutter level abuse over football tragedies, and then cry and whinge to their media mates when someone dare mentions ‘Munich’.
Cally… should that not be Scally?
I have as much interest in wasting my time in responding to you as I have of asking Stevie Me for an autograph.
Cally-Scally?
I see what you did there. Genius.
Who said all mancs were dull, unimaginative, miserable mill town folk.
Johnny The Fox, 39 Italians died.
Cally, the Munich disaster happened before hillsborough your self pity little club has been mocking our disaster for years before we even had anything to throw back at you, and now you just mocked the people that got injured in Rome yet your calling people hypocritical.
Scousers are well known for being shellsuit wearing job dodging bin dipping vermin. Everyone in the game knows it.
Mill town folk? hahaha you scousers really do live in the past dont you.
How can you have a pop at Gerrard`s loyalty when you have Wayne `once a blue always a manc` Rooney kissing your badge? Gerrard was only ever close to joining the chavs because of the incompetence of Rick Parry. Gerrard himself gives a full and frank account of events in his autobiography. Gerrard is by all accounts a bit arrogant off the pitch…..but then again he is a footballer, and lets be honest when it comes to arrogance no footballer can hold a candle to Ronaldo!
A more realistic comparison would have Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher.
By the way Liverpool fans come on this site because your blogs get flagged up on liverpool news now. I must say you lot spend most of your life writing about Liverpool…..obsessed or what?
The Roma reference was an example of your oh so angelic fans causing trouble, but lets not get into that, as you obviously lack any semblance of intelligence or objectivity.
The fact that this article has suddenly evolved from Gerrard into Hillsborough sums your scummy little fans up.
Red-Manc you just contradicted yourself in your last two posts!
Yeah, it’s us who live in the past – curly wigs, shell suits, etc.
As I said, total hypocrites, you’re well known and despised for it.
Do you even know what happened at Roma? do you balls because you weren’t there you pathetic person.
your fans constantly mock Munich, so if you think we’re scum you’ve obviously never met any of your fellow fans.
There isnt one comment that would cause me to venture onto a murderous liverpool forum whether it was flagged up or not.
So…. if you dont like what you read here, fuck off back to your slums you soft bin dipping twats
All Dipper Mudering Scum
Who’ll be five points ahead of you tonight then?
Also, haven’t you any jobs to go to instead of coming on here?
Oh silly me I forgot, you’re thick Dipper twats thart doesn’t know what a days work is.
I’ll rephrase what i’ve just type; shouldn’t you be out shoplifting and mugging instaed of being on here?
Murderers, slums, bin dipping – are these the only words in your limited vocabulary, you thick cunt?
Haha, they’re hilarious aren’t they?
Here’s a tip, manc, if you’re going to question our personal lives and social status, make sure you’re not some fat, jobless internet shut in who still lives with his mum.
Re cally, you’re the thick cunt, you’re the scouser, shouldn’t you be out on the game or something?
Yeah, I’m meeting Rooney, Steve Coppell and John Gidman later.
Let me know if you need a club deciphering the irony, you retarded manc gobshite.
what the fuck is it with liverpool fans and justifying things by calling Rick Parry a cunt.
Gerrard wanted to leave you (twice) HA HA and you still love him all the same you sad desperate fucks
Re “Cally”
“Murderers, slums, bin dipping ” If the cap fits wear it
“Here’s a tip, manc, if you’re going to question our personal lives and social status, make sure you’re not some fat, jobless internet shut in who still lives with his mum.”
For your information i’m not a manc, I am in fact a scouser (Edge Hill), but had the intelligence to move way from the shithole years ago.
I am an unusual scouser by the fact i have a job, get someone to look the word up in the dictionary for you.
I work in the evenings, what’s your excuse for being on these boards this time of day, shouldn’t you be signing on or something?
The whole country knows what scousers are like, it’s not just the united supporters.
My biggest regret in life is being a fucking scouser, you’re all aheap of shite. Now go and do something unusual, go get a job!
Re Cally
“Yeah, I’m meeting Rooney, Steve Coppell and John Gidman later.”
I must admit Rooney would shag anything, but there again he is a scouser isn’t he?
They are the only words needed when talking to/with/about Liverpool. Simple as… bit like your manager who i think has infected all your fans
Nice one, Walter Mitty.
If ever proof was needed to confirm what total wankers your fans are, you’re it.
I pity you.
Because only scousers want sex?
I think I get.
Whoever employs you in your fake night time job must be really desperate.
Kinel, what a retard.
i wish we had signed dossena – he is mint.
Immature knob heads. Your all arguing because one useless footballer, is an actual fan of the team he plays for. How many players at each club also supports them. Gerrard isn’t a liverpool fan, he’s bloody Everton fan, Rooney’s a bloody everton fan, ferdinands a bloody west ham fan.
Neville is fucking rubbish, the only players for either team that are worth of praise are Jamie Carragher and Ryan Giggs.
Makes me laugh, your all going on about a useless cu,nt, and yet all the best players in your history, baring Giggs, has fucked off to play for someone else.
All you immature cu.nts are he for is to slag off someone. Giggs is a great player, Scholes is a great player, Carragher is a great player, Gerrard is a great player. Rooney is not a great player, when he’s been a United player for 15 years, then he can be labeled as great. Neville HAS BEEN a great player, but he isn’t anymore, he’s rubbish.
Maybe when gerrards in his mid 30′s he too may be rubbish, he won’t have the same desire to better himself like Giggs does, he’ll be relaxing. He won’t be desperate to play on, coz at the end of the day he aint a soddin liverpool fan.
What makes United win the titles is that they have/had players that support/ed them, when their not winning there’s a sense of desperation in their play, that desperation drives on the Non United fans who are playing, to also play as though their desperate for them to win.
If Gerrard was a Liverpool fan he’d have that desperation to win IN EVERY MATCH. When Gerrards in the mood, when he’s all over the place like he’s desperate to win, it drives the whole team. When the non fan side come out in him, you can tell, coz he just doesn’t seem interested, and when he’s not playing well, neither do the rest of the team.
Carraghers not in a position to be able to influence the rest of the team to play like there desperate, whilst Giggs is.
Give credit where credits due, but please stop talking about how awesome fucking Neville is, coz he’s not anymore.
I’ll tell you what though. When Fergy, Scholes, Giggs and Neville do eventually retire, UNITED WILL GO DOWN THE PAN.
Then it’ll be the end of their era, and we(Liverpool) will dominate again.
AMAZING! Brilliantly written mate. Sums up in its entirety the reasons why United have been so successful over the years and those bitchin scousers are still drooling over our premierleague trophies
@Ian
That was the biggest load of shite I have ever looked at. A player that was once considered great is no longer because he is now rubbish. What are you on about? Thank Christ you scum do have Jamie Carragher because I think your lives would be pointless without him, and theres a rubbish player by the way, only one in the league who averages more own goals than goals. And the only reason our best players in history leave us for other clubs is beacuse they are no longer capable of making it at United. UNited has standards, thats why we win the trophys and you lot are winning fuck all!!!
To TinManUnited
United have 11 trophies this decade
Liverpool have 10 trophies
Chelsea have 8
Arsenal have 6
Where’s the “Won fuckall” come from. Oh I, you know fuckall, your just an immature knob wasting time till you have to go back to school.
Oh I, and I suppose your just the James Bond amongst us aren’t you. Calm, cool, collective, ahead of your time. Master’s @ Oxford and all that. You’re just on here having a laugh @ at all us ordinary mancs.
Or, and this is reality, you’re home on your sofa, with a day old fish and chips you rummaged out of the bins down the streat, and thought it would be fun to have a go on the United blogs.
I pick the latter, Master’s degrees and scouse scum just don’t go together.
TinManUnited, you dont need to type @ AND at in the same sentence because it means the same thing.
Also, I dont take anybody seriously who can`t spell simple words like street! tut tut
@Lafas Rant
I’m glad you pointed out the mistakes in my post, seems everything else was spot on then.
I stopped reading the rest of your drivel so can`t possibly comment!
“By the way Liverpool fans come on this site because your blogs get flagged up on liverpool news now.”
So it is on news now you have to comment? fuck me you are stupid.
scouse cant stand knowing their little stevie me is not really kop blood in blood out.
MANCHESTER WHAT????
champions of england
champions of europe
champions of the fucking world
Liverfool what
SHIT
SHIT
SHIT
“champions of england
champions of europe
champions of the fucking world”
…..Although the UEFA cup winners gave you a spanking…….and so did we at Anfield!
We are top of the league and in all competions, you are out of the FA/League cup and after tonight will be 5 points behind us, also if a narrow 2.1 win is a spanking then its a shame to see how the mighty have fallen, feel sorry for you really.
A 2-1 win yes, but a spanking none the less in terms of chances, possession etc………..and without our two best players as well!
A spanking what an own goal and a defensive mistake, what first win against us in how long?
Is that all you have against us?, as I said how the mighy have fallen, when was the last time you won the league again…………..?
O’shea one of our worst players silenced the kop 90th minute, on the way to another title. Oh and you got well and truly spanked 3-0 at Old Trafford. Funny how the scousers harp on about history all the time but they soon forget last season oh and the season before that aswell.
We all know that johnnys gonna score! na na na na na na na …. you know the words seeing as you stole them
scousers stealing well i never!
Yeh we have not won the league in a long time……..but its not quite been as long as 26 years like others i can mention.
Yes we did get a 3-0 spanking in Salford last year, and we didnt play well. But like you say thats history, the last game is all that matters.
It is also history the last time you won the league, all you can say against us now is that you have beaten us in one game?!
Well done I will give you that, but we are World, European and English champioms that is the here and now, the last time you won the league now that really is history.
I thought you lot were of the opinion that the World Club Championship is a mickey mouse cup? Or does that only apply when you DONT win it?
would all scousers please piss off…
Re: Stephen
I wouldn’t bother replying to the dippers, i’m not going to any more.
Come and ask the locals where I live in Devon what they think of the scousers, but at least they have the decency to admit that they would rather be on the dole at the seaside than in Liverpool. The crime rate has gone up though!
“…..Although the UEFA cup winners gave you a spanking…….and so did we at Anfield!” Is that the game where we were that interested that Scholesy decided to punch the ball into his own net? The one at Anfield………… Is that the one where SAF for once fucked up with team selection and we played the worst we have for 2 years? Thought so. Top of the league and thats a FACT! Gary Neville is a fuckin legend.
It is fact, as someone said, what trophies do you hold?
If you dont want scousers replying stop your obsession with us by writing articles that flag up on our news boards.
It is always a pleasure to banter with the people of the Manchester United heartlands of Herfordshire, Gloucester, and the other southern counties………and Devon………and occasionally Salford!
OH I SEE……you lost at Anfield because you werent interested? Thats…….erm……….original…..I will give you that!
You are the one replying on a United Blog and seem totally obessesed with all things United, are you a voyeur?
Yes I am a voyeur……but your Mum seems to enjoy it!
@ Johnny the Fox:
Quote: “Rooney is a striker and Gerrard is a midfielder so strikers are more likely to appear as having “destroyed a team” as you put it!”
Giggs DESTROYED Chelsea from a central midfield position – its possible if youre good enough. And if you care enough.
Ah the pathetic attempt of an insult, oh dear can’t win a football debate so try the insult, well done Dipper now jog on.
well what has being a voyeur got to do with football? Or did you hear Mourhino say it once and it taught you a new word?
“…..Although the UEFA cup winners gave you a spanking…….and so did we at Anfield!” Is that the game where we were that interested that Scholesy decided to punch the ball into his own net? My mistake , not his own net but the opponents!.
Oh dear thick as well.
TO ALL YOU MANCS THIS IS WHAT YOUR BOSS SAYS…
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2009/02/18/1115518/sir-alex-ferguson-liverpool-are-manchester-uniteds-title-rivals
(and well done North Tier you can count..!!! what an answer – Wey Hey!)
Stephen -
voyeur = a person who gets sexual pleasure from secretly watching other people in sexual situations, or (more generally) a person who watches other people’s private lives
So again, I ask what has voyeurism got to do with football?
It was an analogy you muppet
You = A person who is secretly watching our club and probably getting arroused by our success, and is also viewing our ( a United) site.
Again muppet.
erm…nope again your not making sense. If you insist on using such words at least demonstrate that you understand the context in which it should be used.
Yes I am viewing a Manc site, which is in the public domain, to which I have been directed by a Liverpool news feed, because you lot are obsessed with writing about Liverpool.
Rafas rant you must be a Norwegian then.
All you livershite fans claim to hate United yet you’ve been on this Manchester United forum all afternoon, clearly enjoying your time at the Republik of Mancunia, i knew you lot loved Manchester really.
Manchester is red and you know it, hence the fact scousers hate mancs so much theirs a rivalry between Manchester and liverpool as city’s, if we’re all from devon or wherever the fuck it is your saying we’re from why is you hate mancs so much? oh thats right because most are United fans.
you ABU’s contradict yourselves, one minute we’re all from japan then its china but at the same time we’re all from london and devon!
You on a Manc site dicussing United?
Johnny The (worlds most annoying prick of a) Fox
I stated that your view that it wasnt Liverpool fans, but the wall that fell on the Italians that killed them, was ignorance in the extreme, in my opinion. Do me a favour, go and tell anyone intelligent (if you know anyone) that it was the wall that killed them, not the Liverpool fans, and chances are you’d get a well warranted slap in the jaw. A wall doesnt just fall you muppet.
You asked me what happened in Hysel, I stated 39 Italians died, which is about all anyone knows as fact. And then you complement my counting skills?
Its widely known that tragically, 39 Italians died, I didnt go over and count them, you fucking idiot.
You got ran out of here before, a few weeks back, for talking absolute crap about some other Liverpool related topic, and embarrassing yourself and the club you represent. You are a joke, and one of the biggest idiots, and all round wankers that ever wandered onto this United site, and we do get our fair share. Do us all a favour and fuck off.
And Rafas Rant, you fuck off there aswell, ye made your point, now you’re just waffling for the sake of something to write, and looking for a reaction.
What a pair of fucking pricks…
I dont hate Mancs, I know a few and they are sound lads and lasses.
I just enjoy winding u lot up and if my being here winds you up then here I will stay!
You have a very pathetic life then.
Nope my life couldnt be better thank you very much…..but thanks for the concern!
You live in Merseyside, or claim to, and your life couldn’t be better, fuck me?
Yes, I did live in Manchester briefly and what a depressing place!
Yawn.
He must be claiming Dole checks in both cities Stephen.
“Yawn”
Yeh I did a lot of that whilst living in Manchester…….and all the blokes used to swagger round in their oasis style duffle coats saying “mad for it” all the time (when they werent robbing cars)……….oh no wait….thats just a stereotype of Manchester isnt it…….and you lot know a lot about stereotyping people dont you?
Rafas Rant, you’re doing two things on here. Yes you are winding United fans up, and you are also showing us how much of a fucking idiot you are. Go pat yourself on your back there, and crawl back into your hole. You’re embarrassing yourself.
TinManUnited, another stereotype there, just to prove my point.
Mate he hasn’t wound me up, my boss and I are having a right laugh at this twat.
Oh Please, now you have morals.
Aahh you know what I mean Stephen, even responding to him at this stage is more than he warrants. He has a soapbox and an audience here now, and he cant help himself. He is like the class clown, looking for attention, and is willing to spout any old shite to get it.
Enough of him anyway. United to win 3-0 tonight – Ronaldo, Berbatov, Vidic.
I know he is a buffon mate, three nil sounds good to me, can’t argue with that.
can i just say how i have enjoyed reading all this…. but also can you all go to google images and type in “gerrard everton”
there you will find a pre-thieving gerrard (he admitted thieving in the paper once) stood with his lovely everton shirt on proudly having his picture taken with the trophies…
stevie me…. liverpool through and through (the city not the club)
In 2007 Manchester was voted by the people of england as the second city, cant be that bad a place then
rafa’s rant it doesnt wind us up, we find it quite funny to be honest that your sad enough to come on this site in the first place when your not even a United fan.
The World Club champions, Carling Cup finalists, FA Cup quarter-finals and defending Champions League and Premier League champions will go five points clear at the top of the table, if they maintain their unbeaten home league record with an 11th straight victory at Old Trafford agains Fulham
“You got ran out of here before, a few weeks back, for talking absolute crap about some other Liverpool related topic, and embarrassing yourself and the club you represent.”
They always do North Stand in the end. Clueless cunts.
Ah what Gaz Neville said, makes the hair on my neck stand up….Pure class!! legend!!!
I’ve got to say I think the article’s a little short-sighted..You would be hard pushed to find a player of such quality and world-renown who is as loyal as Gerrard…I’m an avid United fan but I play a decent level of football and that’s one of my passions too and Gerrad is simply quality and I like watching him play. It’s human nature that along with the quality and recognition comes a bit of cockiness but I think he’s earned it and keeps it in check…Probably only Scholes in my time of watching football for last 18 or so years beats Gerrard for a combination of quality, selflessness and loyalty…Yes, he put in a transfer request because he was ambitious, but who isn’t? It ‘s been easy for the United players to stick around at United and win Premiership after Premiership but it must have been difficult for Gerrad to consign himself to a career without a league title but in the end he stayed, despite his natural human ambition…I think his comment was , ‘i might win the medals but who would I have to show them to?’…Sounds like someone who gives a toss that he’s a Liverpool fan and has all his Liverpool mates around him..I honestly would like to see United fans leave off Gerrard with all this ‘Stevie Me’ stuff as well as the half-wit Liverpool fan who is rather selectively quoted because he’s definitely in a minority, just like 9/11 conspiracy theorists are. I say that because he is one of the best central midfielders in the world and it’s good to hear international recognition from managers etc about an English player (we don’t get many into the top 5 in the world), Benitez is a better target but maybe I’m asking for too much, abuse yes, but rippin him about his tart of a wife would sit better with me than the obviously innacurate Stevie Me stuff.
What’s with all the articles looking for response from Pool fans? Surely we can appreciate our players without putting down others? Doesn’t help with ill-feeling between both sets of fans either.
Should have been an article about Neville the red instead of Stevie me.
Less of the hit chasing please.
Hey steve. Why not give “c-ally i lick my own balls cally” a permanent fixture on this blog site. Imagine all the hits you’ll get. Just a suggestion.
Someone might have already beaten me to it, but I would just like to call Mr. Onion a fucking idiot. FACT, when you were stomped 3-0 at OT last year you did NOT play with ten men for over 60 mins as you put it. That fucking neanderthal Mascherano (brilliant Defensive CM i must say…) was sent off right before half time. So thats 45 give or take with ten men.
And whats your excuse for losing 1-0 at Anfiled? I think you had a full 11 in that one…
And I wonder if you lot will make a DVD at the end of the year of your precious 2-1 win at Anfiled… That surely will be the highlight of your season
Fuck me Scotty me old lad, once again dem scouse bastards come on here acting all superior spoting dem big words that their Mam’s been told by their punter’s…. Makes me laugh to think dey is thinking dey is better than us …. To be a Liverpool fan you have to have a lobotomy to start with…. useless cunts the fucking lot of them.
Now I’m off back to Soccertv for the second half at Fulham to watch us go a full 5 points clear at the top…. eat your hearts out you scouse fuckpigs…!!
Jake
Do you ever see Gerrard play? In every game he makes about 20 hollywood passes which go nowhere and shoots everytime he gets within 30 yards of the goal. Him and Torres are the only 2 players who take shots on that team. He is good, I’ll give him that but the lack of skill by the players around him makes him look much better than he is. He is a complete glory hunter
Well then 3 – zip against Fullyham….
memo to all redshite scouse fuckpigs…. 5 points up, you cunts…. Catch us if you can
Who gives a shyte about stevie ‘stepdad’ me anyway? Oh ! and by the way his wife wants to know when pancake tuesday is. Five clear now!!!!!
Who let these bin dippers out of their council house? Rats for dinner?
North Stand, 3.0 was about right mate!
his mother said he wasn’t gay torres,torres
he likes to comb his hair that way torres, torres
he see’s a cock and jumps for joy
he’s just a fucking ladyboy
fernando torres takes it up the arse
No need to say anymore about the dippers
this is just amusing. its great when scott winds up the scousers.
united: great article
liverpool: crap article
united: gerrard is up himself
liverpool: gerrard is god.
united: gerrard’s a tool.
liverpool: you’re a tool
…
…..
liverpool: something aobut 18-5 and 2-1.
united: you’re old.
liverpool: stfu 18-5
united: not for long.
still the scousers don’t get that our captain is more loyal than their captain. It’s all about Steven Gerrard when he plays.
Liam, anyone who knows anything about football understands that Gerrard is world-class….Proving it against your opinion is a difficult task for me but I’ll give it a go, 4th place for god knows how many years with a bunch of also-rans and a champs. league, F.A. Cup, and League cup medal seems to suggest Liverpool have had something going for them for the last 5/6 years….the conclusion is that Gerrard has carried this average team to anything they’ve ever won and a relative degree of consistency in the league…arguing about style of play will get us nowhere (although I don’t agree with your analysis) but the evidence speaks for itself.
wah wah wah wah wah…talk talk talk talk tlak.
One thing I have noticed about liverpool fqans is they are like a bunch of woman.
Whinge minge.
fucking losers.
Say hello to spurs when we tke all your records you mid range yesterdays heroes
Cally – fuck off you boring twat.
“Rooney is a striker and Gerrard is a midfielder so strikers are more likely to appear as having “destroyed a team” as you put it!”
Don’t forget about the player of the month!!! Vidic – a defender – DESTROYED Chelsea too…
“Strikers are more likely to appear destroying a team” – But in United’s case, it appears that the midfielders, wingers and defenders are also more likely to appear destroying other teams.
JAKE
You should be proud to call yourself a United “SUPPORTER” you are the only intelligent one here with a grasp of the game!
Both of our teams have had and have got great players!
It seems that you and I can agree that and everyone else just resorts to shouting c*nts or rat eating dippers etc. These people are FANS (FANATICS) not supporters.
Also to NORTH STAND & ALL OTHER UTD SUPPORTERS -
Heysel was a terrible thing people do not go to support their team with a view to possibly being killed. In depth analysis and documentaries with footage and eye witness accounts have been documented and unfortunately the delapidated stadium was the actual cause of fatalities.
The spark that started it all – which was 2 HOURS EARLIER that caused the inevitable crush was as I said earlier started by ADULT ITALIANS kicking the shit out of a 13 year old scouse kid.
I travelled to Monaco in 1999 to watch MAN UTD v LAZIO in the Supercup with my Man U mate (he is a supporter not a fanatic) as we both love football and on the journey out of Monaco Train Station you basically had UTD on one platform and LAZIO on the other with 30 foot between them.
The aggression and the goading from the Italians was some of the worst I’ve experienced from an International game where as the Mancs were pretty well behaved.
Just support your team – enjoy the sport – you don’t have to be so aggressive!
Everybody outside Liverpool knows where the blame lies for the Heysel disaster.
You keep kidding yourself the Liverpool fans where not to blame, you might even convince yourself one day; you certainly won’t convince anyone outside Liverpool!
Johnny The Fox, dont try get all righteous or try make us out to be a crowd of foul mouthed maniacs while you and Jake are the only sensible ones on here. Alot of tripe was written in this blog, tripe that provoked thoughts and opinions. You sit on your high horse saying we all resort to name calling and throwing insults, well what do ya think you were up to the last time you were on here a few weeks back? You were ran off this site cause you talked so much trash, throwing your own insults.
You showed yourself to be a scouse prick back then, and no amount of level headed arguments and debates now will change that, not for me.
I dont know exactly what happened in Hysel, and neither do you, but if you want to believe that it was started by big bad Italians giving a kicking to an innocent 13 year old scouser, and that all the deaths were caused solely by the delapadated stadium, well thats your right.
Ye scousers have to put your own slant on it, so ye can sleep at night. United and Liverpool fans hate each other, on the whole, and that seems to suit everyone just fine.
I dont have a problem with fans of other clubs coming on here and commenting on any random article, but I do have a problem with gits like you Cally, and Rafas Rant hanging around here all day talking crap trying to start conflicts, and at the end of it all ye write ‘ha ha ha, I was only winding ye Manc cunts up anyway blah blah blah…’.
I have no interest going into a Liverpool website, and then expect a fair reception if I defended United on some topic, get real and cop the fuck on. You said your piece, now just go…
It was the stadium which caused the deaths of 39 Juventus supporters and injured a further 400, not the large number of Liverpool fans who charged at the Italians after breaking through a fence after drinking all afternoon in the local square?
Liverpool fans are all the same, hold your hands up and admit what you are responsible for then all of football in this country and abroad would have a little more respect for your club.
Hysel was an accident no doubt, but so is hitting someone after driving too fast, if you don’t get into your car and exceed the speed limit then know one dies, if you don’t charge at supporters accidents like Hysel do not happen.
Good Morning everybody (big wave)
North Stand
I wasn’t ran off this site a few weeks ago, I think you will find I had the last comment.
Oh and stupid fucking me, for trying to chill you all down a bit, you can call me righteous but one things for sure you are the aggressive one!
By your accounts you’d fit right in at Heysel.
He’s here He’s there he’s every fucking where Rafa’s rant rafa’s rant
It is no wonder the city of Liverpool has such a bad name is it, or is that a myth as well?
Yeah, the City of Liverpool is so bad I go on holiday to Salford
Johnny The fucking Fox, you had the last word maybe, but you were told in no uncertain terms by alot of us on here to fuck right off.
And my point was that you threw insults and talked trash back then, so thats why I have no interest in entertaining you now, once a prick always a prick in my book.
And why would I fit in at Hysel, do you think I am of Italian origin and kick the crap out of innocent 13 year old scousers? or do you think I am in the construction industry and would of done a site survey before the game took place and could of stopped that terrible tradegy? Cause according to you, they’re the only two items of note that happened there that day, everything else just ran its course.
You are a muppet, along with the other moron Rafas Rant, its just childish that ye wandered back in here today. Were ye directed here by newsnow.com again?
Johnny – How is North Stand being aggresive? he has just told you how it is and was spot on. You know you have no chance of league now so are clutching at straws and trying to wind us all up. Grow up and fuck off . Where is the dipper that said yesterday that Mascherano is a better midfielder than Scholes and Carrick?
…yeah can I just say Johnny the Fox that I don’t appreciate being hijacked by you, you may have settled down abit in that last post but you’ve been on here before typing expletives and even on this same blog which is a bit baffling…I’m consistent in my tone because at the end of the day it’s just words on an internet page and the only way you get anything out of it is by exchanging thoughts, rather than virtual insults…you’re one of the most aggressive people on here mate, I like Gerrard as a player, I don’t think the ‘Stevie Me’ stuff is fair or accurate but I also don’t like aggressive Liverpool fans who rock up on this website and start debating the Heysel disaster. If I had a pound for every time I’ve seen this futile debate on here I wouldn’t be a millionaire but I’d have about £50/60…Nobody on here was there, but the general consensus for many years now is that the ground wasn’t great but nor were the Liverpool fans…but I don’t know anymore than that because I wasn’t there either
It’s a pity they can’t pester the jobcentre is much as they pester us; or is it half term as Borstal?
Johnny you are a typical Dipper you have a bloated sense of your and your teams own importance, you come on here telling everyone that black is white, you want people to be calm then in previous posts throw insults and taunting people who are regulars on this site.
Liverpool fans blame everyone else for their wrong doing. No right minded person blames the Police for Hillsborough, or Heysel and quite frankly no right minded person steals a ticket from the hand of child in Greece, part of the fault of the tragedy at Hillsborough was fans without tickets charging the gates to get in, yet in Athens people without tickets were doing that exact same thing, good to see you learn your lesson.
To me it is completly ironic that a club that prides itself on its fans loyalty is actually supported by people who couldn’t care less about anybody other than themselves, and their blinkered vision and history of its own wrong doings.
You’ll never walk alone, everyone wishes you would.
What is a scouse bastard? Is it something that slithers out of Liverpool?
Not quite. I don’t hate or dislike people from that shithole of a city, feel sorry for them really. No in my book a scouse bastard is anyone that has anything to do with that fucking footbal club. It doesnt matter where the turds crawl out of, be it Liverpoool, london, Wales, Scotland, Norway if they support that shitheap them they are scouse bastards.
I would never pollute my computer by going onto one of their shite sites. So why the fuck do they come on here. Just fuck away off back under the stone you crawled out from under. Another question that baffles me is they seem to be on here everyday all day. Proving they are jobless twats that are scared to get a fucking job. Before you ask this is my day off. I normally come into this site in the evening and it sickens me to see the amount of crap they spew out.
So Heysel had nothing to do with the Scouse bastards? Fucking Heysel Heros, guilty as sin, funny how it is always someone else fault. Won it three times without killing anyone. Heysel was Italian fans and the stadium, Hillsborough was the police, the scouse bastards were well behaved and orderly?
JAKE
Sorry I thought it was too good to be true, you have regressed and joined in with all your fellow United Fans.
How can you say I’m the most aggressive person on here..???
Can anyone on here show me one of my posts where I have thrown insults or called anyone a c@nt…. etc…???????
(apart from my very first post where I used the word “TWAT”
because Scott The Red had copied and pasted a TIMES ONLINE journalist’s personal views from another article into this one.. rather than use his own opinions)
P.S.
OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS FIGHTING AT HEYSEL I WAS 16 AT THE TIME AND WATCHED THE WHOLE THING HAPPEN – SCOUSERS WERE NOT WHITER THAN WHITE.
BUT I KNOW IT IS HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND BUT I WAS STATING THE IGNITING EVENT AND THE CONCLUDING EVENT.
HAD IT BEEN 39 SCOUSERS THAT DIED AND THE ITALIANS HAD BEEN SEEN CHARGING WHAT WOULD YOU BE SAYING NOW..???
ROLL ON THE INTELLIGENT COMMENTS……
We are not going to rise to that simply because it did not happen, except what you did and don’t try and cloud the truth by blaming non substantiating evidence or hear say.
It had nothing to do with hostility from events that occurred in Rome the previous season?
MAN UTD FANS TOP TABLE FOR HOOLIGANSIM….
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2007/10/19/man-utd-fans-top-table-for-hooliganism-115875-19975578/
That article was written in 2007 and it never mentioned killing anyone.
I said ‘one of the most aggressive’, have another read Johnny The Fox
And how many times have Liverpool been voted the worst fans in Europe by UEFA? United are no angels, but at least they are not murderers!
If the Liverpool supporters were so innocent in the Heysel incident, how come the English teams were banned from playing in Europe for so long. Wouldn’t be the fault of the liverpool supporters by any chance would it? no of course it wouldn’t.
The whole city is despised by the rest of the country for the scum you are. I’m ashamed I was born there! What a shower of shit you are.
We also have a massive support away from home, so are just getting desperate now.
Liverpool were voted the worst fans in Europe by erm……William Gaillard from UEFA! So it was hardly a comprehensive democratic vote now was it!
By the way he later retracted his comment!
Knightsmith, all english clubs were banned from Europe after heysel because at the time football hooliganism was a major problem with the majority of clubs in English football. Millwall, West Ham, Chelsea, Cardiff…….etc etc etc
By the time we got to Heysel, English football was already on a metaphorical yellow card from UEFA. Admittedley, had it only been Liverpool who had the hooliganism problem then only Liverpool should have been banned for 5 years.
you really are a bunch of dreamers aren’t you?, you really believe what you say.
Also it has been seven times you have been voted the worst in europe not once.
Anyhow, i’ve got to go to work now to make sure there is money for your dole cheques and council housing.
P.S.
By the time you play on Sunday, you will be eight points behind
“By the time we got to Heysel, English football was already on a metaphorical yellow card from UEFA.”
Yes and your scum saw to it that we got a “red card”.
no club has a set of perfect fans, but liverpool fans take it one step to far
most clubs hooligans punch a lad or two, liverpools hooligans rob/hit someone over the head with a slab and get sent to jail for 10 years
most clubs fans sneak in a couple of mates on the jib, liverpool fans rob tickets/’sneak in’ hundreds to many and end up killing 96 of their own fans.
most clubs fans have abit of agressive banter with the opposition, liverpool fans charge them and 39 people end up dying.
work it out mate.
Manchester City fan stabbed to death for singing Munich songs
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news-old/top-stories/2008/03/01/manchester-city-fan-stabbed-to-death-for-singing-munich-songs-115875-20336258/
Jake,
whether it was “one of” or “the most” aggressive – you haven’t actually responded have you..???
Stephen,
Had the 1985 Final been held elsewhere in a safe stadium, can you tell me how many Italians would have died..?
I can categorically tell you “zero” because none were stabbed, hammered, bludgeoned or beaten to death on the casualty list from Heysel were they..?
Were your fans demolishing the fence in droves to ask the Italians the time? Of course they wern’t they were attacking the Juventus fans, so yes I imagine there was a strong chance of some fatalities.
I heard that some Juve fans were attacked with rocks and knives, but I can’t substantuate that, and you again use terms like “categorically” in a the wrong sense because you don’t know either, take off your Liverpool tinted glasses for a change.
well maybe it was because you used to write in capital letters or maybe it was because you appeared to be latently xenophobic, bemoaning our Argentina chant because it would offend Falklands War veterans and we shouldn’t sing it because the Argies are horrible little people and we are all English and should be proud to be other countries die-hard rivals…give it a break mate
apologies, I said ‘used to write in capital letters’…but what I should have used is the present tense ‘you write in capital letters’
@Johnny the Fox
“HAD IT BEEN 39 SCOUSERS THAT DIED AND THE ITALIANS HAD BEEN SEEN CHARGING WHAT WOULD YOU BE SAYING NOW..???
ROLL ON THE INTELLIGENT COMMENTS……”
We would be blaming the Italians. Intelligent enough for you.
So Jake,
you have dug deep into the archives and pulled out what exactly..???
some of my “comments” – NOT PERSONAL ABUSE or SWEARING – from a previous article…
and….???
Is that supposed to back up your point of stating I’m one of the most aggressive on here?
AND STEPHEN,
Like you say yourself… YOU IMAGINE that this or that MIGHT of happened..!!!
Has anyone actually looked at the previous posted link about th
Man City Fan that was stabbed?
Who was to blame?
Was it the “Singing Fan” or the “Stabbing Fan”..?
blame karma, sing songs mocking the deaths of people and death will come and stab you in the back, literally.
Karma..?
Sorry mate, life doesn’t work like that.
Re Johnny The Fox Said
Just read your link about the man city fan being stabbed to death. cannot see your point, no where in the article does it say it was a Man Utd supporter that did it does it? you are just summissing as usual.
It could have been a Liverpool supporter for all you know, unlikely I would imagine, but just don’t presume.
I’ll just take it as read that your an idiot!
the archives of my mind mate..something you’re clearly not capable of doing even after the passing of a couple of hours…you came on here and called Scott a ‘twat’ and then get annoyed that he’s used someone else’s opinion, yet you call Scott the typical biased manc (presumably the opinion in the article is also from a ‘typical manc’), then you start preaching about Heysel, then you start pondering the possibility of 39 Scousers being killed and asking us for an opinion on that, now it’s a city fan you’re prattling on about, before it was the Argentina chant, the Liverpool squad, you’re half-wit of a manager…you seem to be running around in circles and managing to confuse yourself in all of this, yet not adding anything to anybody’s lives aside from exposing us all to your monotonous, unintelligible drivel… maybe you should get back to designing the programme before you get the sack for being an idiot.
Were the scouse cunts responsible for another load of dead, i belueve it was their own fans, at Hillsborough, when they all stayed out in the pubs till the last minute getting pissed, and forced their way/charged a police barrier to get in ….many without tickets causing a safety barrier to give way….. if my memory serves me right wasn’t it a semi final against Nottingham Forest……?
Johnny, I have stated fact what you have done? you have posted bollox all day, your fans have killed people we have not.
JAKE
I called Scott a “Twat” because he used a journalist’s opinions plus it was he who brought up the Heysel issue.
“Justice for the 39″ ….just how exactly should that be served?
My point about the Man City Fan was that many people would say it was his fault for singing the offending words in the first place but at the end of the day the fact is that it was the United Fan that actually stuck the Knife in his BACK! (and yes it was a United Fan).
And hey, I must of made an impression on you Jake to have remembered all of my quotes from so long ago, you have gone away and trawled this site and compiled your answer! GROW UP and STOP LYING to yourself about your fantastic memory and then trying to impress me.
Have you actually got a job yourself?
STEPHEN
Show me something that I have stated that is not fact….
For starters you say it started afterthe Italians has attacked a young Liverpool fan, I have never heard that one, you are specualting.
“Had the 1985 Final been held elsewhere in a safe stadium, can you tell me how many Italians would have died..?
I can categorically tell you “zero” because none were stabbed, hammered, bludgeoned or beaten to death on the casualty list from Heysel were they..?”
Again you are specualting, fans attacking fellow fans as I said, why were they doing that?
Re Johhny the fox
“My point about the Man City Fan was that many people would say it was his fault for singing the offending words in the first place but at the end of the day the fact is that it was the United Fan that actually stuck the Knife in his BACK! (and yes it was a United Fan).”
No where in that article does it state is was a United fan, it is not “fact” so stop making stuff up.
You seem to get all your “facts” from the Daily Mirror, which is a rag published for those people who can read without moving their lips.
Now why don’t you put your shell suit on, run along, and get a job! Now that would be a novelty to you wouldn’t it?
doing my MA in History mate…lying about my memory, is it really out of the realms of all possibility that I remembered someone called Johnny The Fox who designs the United programme was ranting about us all singing the Argentina chant on a liverpool- related story a couple of weeks ago and had a brother-in-law who was a Falklands veteran…It was quite an unusual debate mate…there’s no proof I can give that I haven’t looked it up so it’s a pointless task trying to convince you otherwise…however your supposition that I have lied says it all about yourself mate, an embittered idiot who is more intent on confusing yourself and dishing out the unsupportable, innacurate insults rather than dealing with the point that you have had nothing worthwhile to say.
How can we forget you Johnny the Fox? the other week you were clutching at straws and going round in circles. You accused us all of disrespecting the falklands vet if I remember right. Your not the one with the disabled relative as well are you?
Eric, Jake.
My daughter teaches retards, do you think I ought to refer Johnny the fox to her?