David Gill has claimed that are season ticket sales are in line with every other season, despite calls from organisations like MUST for fans to delay renewal.
“There haven’t been any boycotts. Every game at Manchester United has been sold out,” said Gill. “Our season ticket sales and renewals for this upcoming season are on track with previous years – our executive ticket renewals are on track. We’ll have to see at the start of the season but we’re envisaging sell-out crowds going forward for Manchester United.”
If you are going to renew, DELAY until closer to the deadline. You have until June 13th so for the sake of our club, regardless of whether you know for certain that you are going to renew, just sit tight.
“The owners that we have at Manchester United have been true to their word since they took over the club in 2005,” Gill continued. “They’ve brought commercial expertise and commercial benefit to us in a number of areas and we’ve seen our revenues grow significantly. The structure that we have in place in terms of the bond that was issued in January of this year means that our interest costs are set for the next seven years. The revenues coming into the club, but also into football, are significant and we easily can meet those interest payments. So we’re very confident that the business model we have in place will be secure and will ensure the club can continue to compete at the top of football for many years to come.”
Man Utd News 24/7
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2559/rumours/2010/05/19/1931790/manchester-united-face-interest-hike-after-breaking-loan
If ths is true, don’t expect any new signings boys. KTFRG-LU (Kill the Fucking Retard Glazers)
Cant believe Fergie may not strengthen, what a joke!! There is no DOUBT that he dont have the funds available cuz all this talk about inflated prices is bullshit lets not forget that almost ten years ago he was paying £30m for veron and £20m for Ruud so obviously a decade on you wouldnt be paying those amounts for that talent in 2010. The truth is those arsehole glazers have fucked us up, we more in debt than than ever and with interst rates going up on our loans it means we’ll be paying £70m+ in debt on top of the £700m!!
The only way things will change is if someone takes over and clears all the debt they dont need to pump millions into the transfer market cuz a debt free utd can make more money in a season than any other club in the world and look after itself. with the amount of money gone out in interest in last five years we could have brought anyone we wanted at any price!!
Waking up this morning to hear Fergie’s comments on Sky Sports News is so depressing, he dont even look like he means what he’s saying but more like he’s got no choice as Gill probably told him to drop the comments in America rather than in England. We are now behind every TOP club when it comes to pulling power, top players and there agents dont even talk about coming here anymore and its cuz there agents know utd can’t afford to buy, when was the last time an agent said “united are interested in…” ?? EXACTLY!!
LOVE UNITED FUCK GLAZERS!!
Agree with the article. Hang fire and don’t renew right until the death.
Both Fergie’s bullshit concerning being “Happy with the squad we have” and Gill’s obsequious fawning servile drivel are just that…bollox.
If all the ticket sales were on track then why the fcuk are they begging us again this morning to renew…it’s May 19th and yet the mail reads and I quote:
“The Season Ticket Renewal (then in bold red letters) DEADLINE IS FAST APPROACHING”…what’s the deadline riding in on? Concorde? Dr. Who’s Tardis or maybe even H. G. Wells’ Time Machine…
Then they go on to offer you entry into a prize draw if you renew before the deadline…priceless…
They’re flushing the club down the toilet the gimp fcuks. It makes me feel sick…EOR!
bull shit Gill as I have never seen so many emails and adverts asking to join the season ticket waiting list or endless renewals for my ticket in my inbox.
There used to be a ten year waiting list for season tickets, you could ring the office June 15th and i bet you could get one straight off the bat.
im renewing anyway but will wait to as close to june 13 as possible. rather have the money in my pocket than malcolms
@giggs11gerrard0
Damn right, real fans no whats going on its a joke he even made these comments. The more he opens his mouth the more I hate him!!
chill the bean lads fergie will strenghthen! always stays tight lipped at this time of year
LUHG
I am more than happy to accept a non-top 4 finish in the next few years and early champions league exit if it helps get these parasites out of the club
I’m fed up with sir Alex feeding us lies too. It’s a load of shit.
Just say we have no money, don’t treat us like fucking children.
Better busines men than the glazers and gill have said the busines model is shite.
City will be better than us next season, lets face it, we had a good run.
With the talk of not needing to renew Ronney’s contract till after the World Cup… wouldn’t the £80 million Barca are offering for him just pay of the Cunt Glazers extra debt and leave us £5 million spare for another ‘bright new talent’ from the bargain basement.
Kill the Glazers
Fergie should come clean and say he is skint.Those yankie bastards are filling there boots with our money .And as for that 2 faced twat gill lets pray he fucks off 2 the f.a. they deserve each other.lets boycott the club thats the only way 2 put a stop to this . Fergie says the market is difficult it is when you are smashed the 2 of them are lyers.
Red phil- IF you really think Sir Alex will let City beat us, something is definitely wrong.
Last year someone said we would play in the Europa League. Look what happened.
We were buttfucked by injuries, and yet we still lost the title by only one point because of refereeing decisions.
We WILL win the league next year, and easily at that IMO.
We’re skint, we’re skint we’re skint, we’re skint! We are SO skint.
This guy is a fucking grade A knobjockey!!! The Glazers have undoubtadely brought an increase in commerical revenue without doubt, but they have saddled us with nearly £1Billion debt you fucking moron, and have invested fuck all in the Playing squad.
That makes fucking sense, we sign new commerical deals every year to get an extra 20 million into the club, but they are out of the club before the cheques are even finalised to pay these interest payments and thats not even fucking Debt.
FUCK THE GLAZERS AND FUCK THAT BALL LICKING CUNT GILL!
Until we get rid of those Glazer twats we won’t be meeting the challenge of staying above the Bitters, we’ll be fighting just to stay above the Dippers. Even SAF can’t operate with both hands tied behind his back.
Even the Red Knights have gone quiet too.
Didn’t our tickets average per game drop this season? I remember that in most OT games we didn’t surpass the 75000 mark.
@Tony Starks
Fucking correct mate, it would be the best thing for us! Plus fuck the execs off who sit in both East stand and stretford for “Atmosphere” then are the moaning fuckers complaining to stewards.
@Mufcmyreligion
Absolutely mate, gill is exceptional at his job but his 2004 stance can never be forgotten! Better the devil you know though!
Sorry correction. We dropped under 75k in 6 league matches. The other matches were Ch.League or cup matches were circumstances are different. It would be interesting if someone could find the real average for us.
I personally believe what SAF says about transfers, that there’s no value for money, but I don’t think there ever will be, I think 20m for an average player is probably the norm now in the transfer market for a big club, look at De Jong 18m whereas if City waited one more season they could’ve had him for 1.8m Mahamadou Diarra another one at 20m who’s an average player. I mean for goodness sake Nani and Anderson cost us over 30m I think SAF just has to accept he has to pay over the odds because of foreign ownership at other clubs and teams like Madrid and Barce spending a fortune on single players, Ajax forward Suarez £35m? Bloody joke!
Costas
All season I have not seen the north east quadrant full, I am East stand lower and have been saying all season that we have finally hit saturation in demand for tickets.
No longer can that cunt Gill boast in manifesto for investment on how he can replace fans who choose not to renew because of the Glaziers!
Barcelona have just signed Villa for £34m
Boy, they are gonna have one heck of a team next season with Villa, Messi, Fabregas, Zlatan, Xavi, Iniesta
Whilst the richest club in the world in terms of revenue are relying on signing players like Smalling (cant get into the Fulham team), Hernandez, Macheda, Welbeck and Gibson
Im sure they’ll be decent players one day, but we need some superstar players, especially in midfield and up front so that we always have cover even if Rooney gets injured
LOL, what are Madrid gonna do now to respond to Barca
watch sky sports news this moring. if you tember last ganme of the season fergie said were the club in the world well i am afraid to say barca have take over with to sing david villa and casce febrace and even rooney. i think fans should renew season tickests but dont go the ganmes make the old trafford besides leaving tourist in if we did buy season tickets. i feel sick this moring . i was looking forward to a few transfer this summer. all i have to say is fuck of galzers stop destroying club. we want our club back . gren and gold until galzsers sell or die
Team for next year
VDS
Rafeal Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Hargreaves Anderson Nani
Rooney Berbatov
Subs: Brown, Fabio, O’Shea, Carrick, Gibson, Obertan, Hernandez, Owen, Macheda
We have a good starting 11. We just need a much stronger bench. Perhaps we can do some swap deals plus cash. We need someone like Silva, Rodwell. Perhaps Barca are willing to sell Zlatan now they have Villa
@Sayyid
Just a hunch, but if Villa is in, that means that Zlatan is out. I don’t think that he can fit into their style of play. I heard rumors about a Fabregas-Ibrahimovic swap.
@giggs11gerrard0
Thanks or the info. I don’t want to distort any facts. I just found it strange that attendance dropped below 75k as many times as it did this season.
costas
Zlatan isnt stupid. He’s not going to go to Arsenal.
Maybe Fergie will sign Henry for a couple of million. I cant see how Barca are going to keep all their superstars happy
Or how about we try to sign Kaka. He’s the type of player we need
Fuck me would everybody calm down.
When have you ever heard Fergie come out and say we will be signing 5 players this summer? Answer never. He never has and he never will. Thats because any dealing he does do he likes to keep close to his chest.
I dont get the mentality of some people either, Most of you dont want TNSSO because he has no track record of bringing through youngsters but yet your all on here saying i hoped we signed this player, that player, the youngsters are not good enough yet. How do we no there not good enough yet? How many games have they played? What happened to give youth a chance.
I personally would like to see one creative midfielder brought in, If that happens then fine but if it does not im not going to start bitching and moaning because i feel the squad is good enough to win the league.
@sayyid
sorry mate but if that was our starting IX for nxt season i defo wont be renewing my season ticket!
Thats the same team thats failed misearably this season cant take another season of it. Rooney needs support and after 2 seasons of dimitar how can u say he is part of a good starting IX? for villa everton citeh he maybe but not for utd.
Im man enough to say when tevez left i wern’t too bothered but when this season ended i cant believe we let him go, surely Fergie should take some blame for this!
@pbozz
As they showed this season lol!!
@mufcmyreligion
“miserably failed”
yeah buy winning more trophies this season than Arsenal, Liverpool, City and Spurs put together
by finishing one point off top despite having no defence for 2 months
That team I chose isnt the same team as this season. Rio has hardly played. VDS missed the beginning of the season. Hargreaves and Ando never played as well.
@Sayyid
I wouldn’t go to Arsenal either. But I can’t see him being a regular next year since Villa is more suited for their style of play.
Henry? No thanks mate. He is 33 and past it in my opinion. In our strikers’ department, I think that one of two things must happen. We buy someone recognised or we put our faith behind Kiko next season. At the moment our 3 first chose strikers are Rooney, Berba and Owen and that’s not enough if we are going to challenge on all fronts. An injury can occur at any point for these 3. And of course there’s always the possibility of Diouf or Chicarito making an impact,
Although I would never doubt SAF and his leadership of our great club, I’m a little concerned that after the league finished he said the squad needed to be looked at, and that you have to keep the squad fresh and sometimes players become complacent and need a challenge, yet just 10 days later he says he is happy with the squad and we dont need to spend big. Now although I dont think we need 3 or 4 players as we have some great young players coming through the youth system, to say we might only sign one player (on top of the Smalling and Hernandez deals) I think is a little unrealistic, I honestly think we need an out and out left winger and some magic in the centre of midfield.
Scholes is still a top class player but he cant play every game and I think we failed in regards to creativity and goals from our centre mids this season, Giggs cant play down the wing anymore and the wingers we have are better suited to the right (bar Obertan, if he can take an extra step next season and make that position his own all the better). For me we should sign Joe Cole if we havent much money, he can do a job on the left or through the centre as can Silva who is a cracking little player. I’d be happy with those 2 being added to the squad. I dont agree we need a new striker as we have some good talent who just need the service and game time ie Diouf, Macheda and Hernandez, although it would be nice to think we dont need to prey Rooney stays fit all season and have another top class striker standing by, but Im gunna give Berba my backing coz I think he is class and he just hasnt clicked yet (you have to have faith people).
Barca have already signed Villa and are chasing Cesc, adding to what they have already (and I say this through gritted teeth coz I hate the way Barca are made out to be the best there’s ever been!!) its a pretty scary prospect to think how much quality they will have and how good they could POTENTIALLY be.
@mufcmyreligion
SO you think we will have all the injurys in defence again? And all the dodgy decisions against us?
At the end of the day we finished a point behing the winners with all the bullshit we had to put up all season.
What a fan you must be. If thats the team im not renewing my ticket. What ever happend to getting behind your team instead of slagging it off every chance you get.
And to say that about Tevez after all the bullshit is a joke.
Barcelona sings David Villa for 40 millions.
I’ll try and wade in with some positivity in this negative forum…
We all know money is tight and we’re all looking for signings to make up for a disappointing season (by our usual standards)…
Fergie’s not going to come out and tell the world his spending plans. If he does that, he’d be laying out all his cards on the table which is a daft thing to do this early in the summer. Especially when the money we have to play with (if any), is nothing like what City and Chelsea have to play with.
Look at Wenger, last January he said publicly that Arsenal were in the market for a striker. Subsequently all the clubs (in France lol) tightened up, tied their players down and upped their valuations. The end result, Arsenal didn’t sign a striker.
Any deals that we do this summer will be striclty under the table and only announced when it’s too late for anyone else to do anything about. It’s the only way we can operate…
James Milner is a prime example of that, we heard about a month ago that there was possibly a sneaky deal being done to bring him in. Now look what’s happened… Citeh have announced their intentions to sign him, tabled a huge bid and made sure that the media have gotten all over the story. They want to turn Milner’s head, Villa’s head and his agents head. In doing so, they’ve priced us out of the market. Even if we matched their 24m bid (which is excessive), they’d just up it to 26m, or 30m or 100m. Whatever it takes.
I guess my point is, Fergie’s the god of mind games, even when it comes to the transfer market. I wouldn’t take his comments yesterday as completely truthful.
MUFC will never die!
most of the posters so far are hypocrites if you don’t agree with the owners or how the club is run/managed then don’t renew quite simple.
@GTull…
Honestly, I’m not that bothered if they sign a player or not. But really it makes no difference whether you lay cards on the table or not, because whatever player we are interested in buying – their agent will inevitably sound out other clubs and there will be no shortage of potential buyers…
So this reason people are using that it’s mind games or whatever, or to keep things quiet, does not happen in this transfer climate…
But the article is about David Gill talking a load of crap again. Reading his words makes me want to knock the guy out!
“Sometimes you have to trust in the development of the last few years and I’m going to stick with that, or most of it.”
This was the main comment that concerned me with Ferguson’s interview. When we sold Ronaldo and didn’t buy Tevez, and didn’t bring in much in the way of replacements, I accepted that this season would be a transitional one. I said to myself that I wouldn’t mind if we didn’t win the league if it meant blooding young players so that they would be ready for future seasons.
But what development has there been this season? We have relied on Giggs, Scholes and Neville more than in any of the last few seasons. The only young player that has come through is Nani. Ben Foster’s United career is over and Anderson’s career has regressed dramatically, we saw virtually nothing of Macheda, Obertan, Fabio and Diouf and nothing at all of Tosic. Rafael got a few games but Neville was preferred for most of the big matches, Gibson played a bit more but seems to have little in his game apart from his shooting. Evans has done well admitedly, but overall we have relied way too much on our elder statesmen and on the brilliance of Rooney and Evra.
If Ferguson is now saying that he isn’t going to spend much (I will take this with a pinch of salt, it may just be a way to ensure he doesn’t end up paying over the odds for certain players), I think this leaves us in a difficult place. Surely we can’t get as much out of Scholes/Giggs/Neville/Van Der Sar as we have done this season, and relying on the youngsters now would be a case of throwing them in at the deep end. If Ferguson never planned to make big spendings this summer, then the youngsters should’ve been blooded a lot more this season.
Of course, the natural response to my argument is that we only finished 1 point behind Chelsea and would’ve won without our defensive injuries, but I see Chelsea spending money this summer, and with our current squad we have no chance of winning the Champions League, especially when clubs like Barca are splashing out on world class players like David Villa.
@sayyid
go with your team and we’ll obviously have money in the bank, too, as we’ve clearly sold fletcher
Frankly it is very frustrating that we are not buying like barca but guys ferie didnt say he is not going to buy anyone he said we will add one player.I dont think we need 3 or 4 player ,we at max need 2 players we need a good cm who can also score goals.i dont think we need a striker.But i dont believe what fergie has said today i still believe we will sign players.
Imagine if tomorrow chelsea signs aguero ,kaka or any other class player and city signs ibra and few more good players do u think still fergie would not buy anyone, he would buy .So i say just be patient,But i seriously hope we buy atleast 1 player before the world cup begins.
Guys we need to support our club.Remember fergie himself said he would leave united in a good position so why are we worrying.
LUGH
…and we’re expected to believe all the crap coming out of Old Trafford these days? They must think we fans are absolutely stupid. (I suppose we are, in a way, because we keep buying tickets).
Of course it’s got nothing to do with debt, or what The Times (and other papers) are reporting this morning. The reason Fergie won’t be buying is probably because there’s no value in the transfer market – oh, I forgot: that was last year’s excuse.
Mind you, the balance of the team is just about right right – look how seamless it was when Rooney dropped out last season through injury. We hardly noticed his absence…And we certainly didn’t notice the absence of Ronaldo or Tevez, not when we had fitness freak Michael Owen and free-scoring Berbatov to fall back on. The only reason we didn’t win the League was because the own goals dried up!
I’m in despair. We’re being screwed at every turn: our manager and chief exec, two of the most respected figures in world football, are being forced to spew out ridiculous line after ridiculous line purely to justify and underpin the total mismanagement and financial incompetence of the Glazers. Why won’t someone break ranks and tell the truth?
What do I, as a fan, do? Do I stick loyally with my club , continue to give them my support in the hope that, in some way, I’m helping the cause? Or do I cut of my nose to spite my face and give up a season ticket that I waited years for, that is one of my most prized possessions, in the desperate hope that it might somehow add to the pressure to the Glazers to sell? And if they do sell, who to? Are the Red Knights the answer? And will the Glazer-generated debt disappear?
Busby turned things round with kids, and Fergie won big with kids. That is perhaps our best – our only – chance now to keep pace. But are our kids good enough? Some, maybe, but not all – that’s why Fergie should be strengthening this summer. But he won’t be allowed to – our nett spend over the summer will be less than what we bring in: forget the marquee signings or departures, add up what we get for all the reserves we ship out.
We’re in a different game now. Others, with sugar daddies, can buy big while we can only sit back and watch open-mouthed. Other clubs have owners who put money into their clubs – speculating to accumulate, as it were – we’ve got an absentee landlord who is bleeding us dry. Google Rachman and see if if it reminds you of anyone? There’s supposed to be so much money sloshing around in the Premiership now, yet United – the biggest club of all – are drowning in debt.
Someone, anyone, do something to sort out this mess. Someone, please tell the truth.
@ Fair play to you marno.
@Parryheid
That is not correct mate, you are not a hypocrite if you renew yet you dont like the owners? You support your club through thick and thin this is just one of the times as a fan I dont enjoy contributing to the Glazers but still support my club.
Firstly cast your minds back to Christmas 2008 the press asked Fergie if he was going to buy in the January window and he firmly said No. On New Years Day 2009 at 9am we were the first Premier League club to announce 2 signings Tosic and Lljac, irrespective of how it turned out we still paid money to bring at least one of them in despite Fergie firmly stating he wouldn’t buy in Jan.
Secondly David Gill is hardly going to come out and say, “We have no money, our attendances have dropped.” Is he? It makes no sense with the job he’s employed to do, he was paid by the plc before and now the parasites aka glazers. Him saying stuff to please the fans would probably cost him his job and we would only get another guy who you all equally would hate probably a yankee bastard who’s the glazers right hand man, which would be a far worse situation then we are already in.
Thirdly the only position we need to strengthen is midfield everywhere else is fine, we should bring a top quality keeper in but it would be both financially and professionally irresponsible to get someone who will only play second fiddle to VDS and basically be a bench warmer.
We have plenty of players in our squad who didn’t get a fair run out this season due to injuries and bad timing. We need to stop being melodramatic we’ve already spent between £16-20 million depending on various reports, the gaffer has said we only need one more player that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re going to get someone on the cheap.
@NotoriousRedDevil says
We have plenty of players in our squad who didn’t get a fair run out this season due to injuries and bad timing. We need to stop being melodramatic we’ve already spent between £16-20 million depending on various reports, the gaffer has said we only need one more player that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re going to get someone on the cheap.
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Completely agree with u mate.We have to be patient and we dont need 3 or 4 players.we just need one good attacking cm and thats it we are done.Dont be surprise if fergie buys silva.
BELIEVE.
Such innocent comments causing this huge overreaction.
I think Gill has a point about our revenues though. can’t fault the Glazers there.
And of course fergie has to say he doesn’t intend to do much. You could imagine the premiums we’ll have to pay if everyone KNOWS man united are walking around with money bags? look at what that did to berbatov’s price.
One Wish…MESUT OZIL
Not to renew season ticket is no small matter – that is an ultimate sacrifice because it means you will probably never watch your beloved shirts regularly at OT again in your life… and for what? so that someone else just goes in your place,
it’s not a fair expectation to make from lifelong supporters
People keep saying that SAF has ruled out signing anyone due to the comments he made, however he didn’t as he said he was looking to buy 1 good player.
Now I have been saying it for months that the squad limit will restrict our buying.
1 Edwin van der Sar
2 Gary Neville (captain)
3 Patrice Evra
4 Owen Hargreaves
5 Rio Ferdinand
6 Wes Brown
7 Michael Owen
8 Anderson
9 Dimitar Berbatov
10 Wayne Rooney
11 Ryan Giggs (vice-captain)
12 Park Ji-Sung
13 Nemanja Vidić
14 Michael Carrick
15 Nani
16 Paul Scholes
17 John O’Shea
18 Jonny Evans
19 Darren Fletcher
20 Antonio Valencia
21 Darron Gibson
22 Tomasz Kuszczak
23 Ritchie De Laet
24 Mame Biram Diouf
25 David Gray
26 Zoran Tosic
27 Hernandez
Thats our squad of over 21′s (I haven’t included Foster despite him still being at the club at the time of writing)
So we are 2 players over. The season after also has to be taken into account as we have a few players like Smalling and Obertan who will need a squad position (And the season after that a few more as well)
A couple of players have to leave be it sold or on loan just to get the squad at the right level let alone if the 1 player SAF mentioned comes in (Unless that players under 21).
Now I think the fact that transfers are being downplayed could be partly to do with needing to offload a few players. When you look desperate you lose the upper hand and you get less money for players than you should.
I also think that when players are so over priced that looking desperate to bring players in is also a bad thing as it allows them to push fees up further so downplaying it isn’t a bad thing.
On Barca signing Villa, this seems like good news for us with Silva. Valencia turned down £45mill from Real and Barca for Villa last season and the season before they started asking for silly money from us for Silva (They accepted £25mill initially and then went back on it demanding more). Now the fact that Villas price has fallen so much suggests that Valencia are now being realistic about the values and their finacial situation so Silva could be the viable Good player SAF has spoken off.
TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if we get more than 1 player in the summer still. Not the 5 or so World Class players that so many here seem to want but I could see perhaps Silva and another over 21 (and maybe a couple under 21 such as Rodwell and Dodo)
@TonyStarks
Exactly mate, i sat in my seat before the Glazers came and I will be sat in it after they have gone.
I think hell just froze I actually agree with Wakey. Some of the posts on here have missed the the point entirely regarding the new regulations of squad size. Football fans can be so stupid at times unfortunately judged on todays topic that includes United fans as well They go on and on about who who we should sign like Fantasy Football League and don’t even know the basic facts. You can’t blame them though I mean its hardly a sensational story to be reported in The Sun even if it is damn importantnin how the game is run next season.
@NotoriousRedDevil
Not sure that’s the point of most people here, squad size requirements can easily be accomodiated by selling/loaning out players… anyway people are more frustrated with what they see as a lack of value they are getting from the Glazer regime, where prices keep rising, more commercial deals and transfer marker profits keep getting made etc… can’t be bothered continuing with that sentence!
I think if we are only buying 1(more) signing then it has to be a silva or a silva like player.
rise in interest rate means the club is gonna be 78 million more in auguest.
dont be shocked if united enter 2011 with 10million pound debt
@ Tony Starks, theres little we can do about glazers they don’t want to sell, boycotting isn’t going to work. I’m not a season ticket holder anymore simply because I can’t afford it. They clearly don’t listen to the fans haven’t done since day one. Gill has come out and made this statement to put fear into fans to then renew their tickets. Thats a decision down to those who already own them, if I had one and I could afford it I would renew. Times like these we need proper fans at the ground.
@Giggs11
You will indeed be sitting in your seat after the Glazers have gone…
Just let’s hope that you’ll still be watching Premiership and European football, my friend — and not games against the Dippers in League One.
@Bruce Thomas
My old man watched us in the second division mate and that never waivered his support so if that is the case so be it. I support Manchester United Football club not the premiership brand! Fortunately for us though that will never happen!
We are not going to get relegated just because we come 2nd once in in the last four years!
Barca have bought villa for 34 million straight up and have a 40 million pound bid on the table 25 million straight up for cescfab. The only spent 60 million on ibahim ect last season . I love united and will forever support the manager and the team but my fuxk barca can run a club and the glazers can run a club into shit
Gigg’s 11 Gerrard O.Seems simple to me buddy you either agree with the owners/management and support same.Or you don’t and don’t there is no halfway,all I’m reading here is the gog’s giving support to the Abu’s. but its a matter of opinion and as they say opinions are like arsehole’s every body’s got one.
@Parryheid
Indeed mate every does have an opinion and as well they should, it was just the hypocrite line that got me! I cant bear how our club is being run yet still love my club. I dont think that is being a hypocrite, if I turned round and started drinking with the Glazers at games and licking Gills arse then I would be an hypocrite as I detest the cunts although it is better to have Gill at the helm as i am hoping he is just keeping the Glazers sweet as they are his boss and he has bigger plans post Glazers!
I have many friends who watch FC now instead and they made the ultimate sacrifice but also due to financial constraints but I also have many friends who will not give up there briefs!
I agree with most who have posted above…something isnt quite right.
People who dont think we need a proven world class striker and a world class creative midfielder are slightly deluded.
In the days after te season ended SAF came out and intimated that we needed to strengthen by buying 2 players.
Rooney has come out in several interviews since viryually begging SAF to sign 2 proven top players and deffo a goalscorer to ease his workload.
Giggsy came out last week and said he didnt want to nit pick what went wrong and carry out post mortems, but said we needed a world class striker, cos we relied too heavily on rooney, the burden on him was too great and goals had to come from elsewhere, as was proved when rooney was absent with looked toothless and that cost us.
They are just 2 players out of 4 or 5 who have said the same thing since the season ended.
So for SAF to say we dont and we may not buy anyone……seems very very perplexing and worrying
Sayyid says:
Team for next year
VDS
Rafeal Rio Vidic Evra
Valencia Hargreaves Anderson Nani
Rooney Berbatov
Subs: Brown, Fabio, O’Shea, Carrick, Gibson, Obertan, Hernandez, Owen, Macheda
We have a good starting 11. We just need a much stronger bench.
Thats a load of boloxmate and you know it, you missed out from your doomsday list of players a certain Mr Fletcher, a certain Mr Scholes, a certain Mr Giggs, a certain Mr Neville, a certain Mr Park, a certain Mr Kuzchak, a certain Mr Evans, ….. let alone the endless stream of promising youngsters that won the reserve league Norwood, King, Eikram, Stewart, Keane, deLaet, …………
Our squad is fine, if Fergusson sees someone worth getting I have no doubt hell get them, look at our block buster signings. Who here thinks Veron was value, who here thinks Berbatov was value, who here thinks Forlan was value ….. sure there were some successes in Ruud, Ferdinand and Rooney but there are also those that fail misserably. People go on about Villa, a huge waste of money 34million for a 28year old, if he plays four years thats over 14million pounds per year and you lot call the Glazers daft with money. Barca have to sign mega players, because they are being chased right up their own arseholes by Real Madrid.
A real United fan would see that if it wasn’t for our injuries we would have won the league this year, shit the 0-0 against Blackburn was all that was wrong. Out of your team Sayyid only Evra and Valencia were ever present that would be the equivalent of Chelsea having only Cole and Essien fit all season. Believe me they wouldn’t have coped. Don’t believe me write down a squad for Chelsea with the following players missing, Cech Ivanovic, Terry Carvalho, Lampard, Drogba, Anelka, Ballack, Mikel and put 7 on the bench THEN tell me they would have won the league.
The reasons behind what he said could be these:
1. He’s bluffing and was a throw away remark on general transfer activity
2. We dont have the clout in the transfer market anymore
3. The secretive Glazer bastards are hammering nails in our transfer coffin.
I personally believe its the latter 2. SAF has said numerous times since he came to OT in 86 that ” if you stand still, you go backwards and people catch you up” ” you always have to keep moving forward”
So yesterday morning the rhetoric was we needed and may have bought 2 players…yesterday night however it became that we may not buy anyone…….asks the question could villa have been a target?? ofcourse now signed by barca last night.
Are the glazer bastards crippling and runing our club brick by brick….SAF will never say it. But im sick im fuckin sick of these bastards destroying our club, its fuckin brings tears to my eyes. And i personally think we are in a similar situation to wenger at arsenal. For years people have been saying, why doesnt he buy, he never spends, relies on youth products etc etc etc. 5 years no trophies yet there net spend is one of the lowest in the prem, which is staggeing. They just dont do transfer activity anymore. WHY???? is wenger stupid? is he deluded? does he not see the team needs investment?
The answers are OFCOURSE HE CAN…..he like SAF has built a dynasty an infastructure at the club and wont see it go to pot. The reason he stopped sending and he’ll never admit it was…the new 300 mill stadium had to be paid first…since the emirates opened in 04….he hasnt spent a dime. But like SAF he’ll never admit it.
Similary could SAF be hiding whats really going on behind the doors at OT….what are those glazer bastards saying and doing to him…we fuckin dont know.
But i’ll tell you summat….im going to personally and kill those bastards and that muppet gill, treating fans like some think pieces of shit…feeding us with crap and expecting us to swallow it, when experts the world over have said otherwise.
Why the fuc wouldnt gill want glazers at the helm…he fuckin picks up 1.5 mill a year…a sweetner from the glazers to keep everything sweet this side of the pond.
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@bruce thomas (the first poster)
Are you seriously blaming the Glazers for that piece of news. The news states that the debt is at a certain proportion to profits that doesn’t fall into line with the agreement for the loan. The profits are down because someone, was buying hong kong yellow and green scarves and shirts instead of Manchester United merchandise. Now Im with you if you want the Glazers out so be it but you cant with any face say with one breath dont give the money to the Glazers (manchester United) then complain when they don’t have the money and blame them for having to pay an extra 2% and thus our transfer kitty goes.
The raising of the interest rate due to slumping sales is directly linked to the green and gold campaign. No transfer money is the fault of the fans NO ONE else.
Although I agree with you in our plight, the action taken is our responsibility. It is our fault Fergie can’t sign players. I havent purchased a green and gold anything but i stand shoulder to shoulder with my United brothers.
ash – we need a good attacking midfielder that’s it, united are short of 3 players and the one area which is more important more than any other area is a new GK which united need. fosters sold and the hype foster will be the next great England GK should be a lesson to united fans and the media never hype players who have not played enough in the united first team. VDS this is going to be his last season and united cannot think they can rely on VDS at 40 and kuszsec I would go out and get buffon or someone in his class
Giggs11gerrard0.get your point and your love for club,started following united shortly after a guy called denis joined from torino and from late sixties till mid seventies results were tough to take,New manager started turn around till the daft sod started dipping his bread in someone else’s gravy then we had ron.then now nothing but solid success so why do the gog’s want to rock the boat with there imagined grievances.Remember its just an opinion nothing personal.
GoatinaUnitedShirt says:
@bruce thomas (the first poster)
Are you seriously blaming the Glazers for that piece of news. The news states that the debt is at a certain proportion to profits that doesn’t fall into line with the agreement for the loan. The profits are down because someone, was buying hong kong yellow and green scarves and shirts instead of Manchester United merchandise. Now Im with you if you want the Glazers out ………………
you are with a guy if he wants the glazers out but you cant se why people buy hong kong yellow and green scarves??????? the more people with the green and gold and the less money been spent on united merch that the only way us fans can hit them were it hurts. there pockets .
GoatinaUnitedShirt – no united are not signing big players because there is nothing in the transfer market that is why and clubs want ronaldo type transfers when most of these players are not in ronaldos league, torres going at 50 million after the last 2 seaons he has had no wonder united are keeping their pot of gold on ice
Whatever happens will happen…as long as SAF is steering our ship..i’ll trust him till my last breath.
But it cant be denied that we just dont have the transfer clout anymore.
The Villas and Silvas will always choose the spanish mega clubs over us, just as big as us, weather, culture, style of play and big bucks.
So SAF is right, the market for world class talent is limited and narrow. And look at the clubs competing with us for thise few players.
Ac Milan…..whole load of history and pedigree..need a big re buid job
Inter milan……re juvenated under moaner…got plenty bucks too
Real madrid…..everybody wants to go there ahem, massive club with limitless cash
Barca…probably the most attractive place to play, in the best team in europe, plus plenty cash.
Bayern…big club back on the map
Chelski..small club with pots of cash
Shitty……even smaller club still…..but with the most amount of money ever.
SO…question is…if our history and tradition doesnt attract the world class talent..then it comes down to buying with financial power……….and lets face it, players these days are whores.
So if it comes down to an auction….the sad fact is…we would never never never be able to compete with some of the above.
fuckin glazer you bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
suhayl – villa did not want to come to england he wanted to stay in spain cant you realise that, and like I say the transfer market has become an unrealistic place to do buisness its a joke.
@GHTT
absolutely I am agreeing with you 100%, its just a strange comment to blame the Glazers for this PARTICULAR piece of news when it is directed at profits that have been affected by the green and gold. Dont blame the Glazers for that congratulate yourselves instead. I read on here many a time that fans would be willing to bankrupt the club and get relegated in order to get the Glazers out. Guess what if thats whats wanted the first steps couldn’t have been better planned.
hence i guess if we do buy…it’ll be trying to pinch some youngsters from the UK market. And i tell you summat…i hope we dont.
Rodwell…….few games and people think he’s beckenbaur…long way to go to prove himself and i dont wasnt us to pay 20mill for a unproven kid.
Milner…..no thanks again….we have better similar players, fletch, hargo, ando, gibbo….another we would have to pay over the odds for
modric…good little player, but no thanks again……not in the top draw and as usual buying from spuds proves it doesnt work out and at the same time we have to bend over and take it up the arse to them, when it comes to transfer fees.
if no marquee signing, then so be it, but please utd dont waste money…money we dont have
I say get Ole out of retirement
There – solved the goal scoring crisis when there is no Wayne
Next get Keane back from being a manager and into midfield
After that sell Berba – get the KIng back
And just for old times sake get Beckham back
Oh and I’ve just woken up : )
@parryheid
Of course mate i didnt take it personally i was just trying to advise that on the other side of the fence that not everyone agrees with the way the club is run hence so many protests etc etc etc
United wasnt a choice for me it was a path set out by my old man who very much educated me on the likes of Dennis! I started going games in the 80′s and of course when we were a one man team in Robbo.
My son is four weeks old and he will be bread the same way if he wants to that is! By the time he is older im sure he wont be in the same fortunate position I have grown up when th bitters were bitter because they are proper shit. It was Big Ron who dipped his meat in another mans gravey was it not.
RNTK…hold your bloody horses….
i posed a question…..was villa one of our targets?…seeing SAF said he would buy 2 signings yesterday and by last night he retracted that. I posed a question that was it a coincidence that villa signed for barca..then came SAF’s comments.
As for villa signing for us…ive been saying for fuckin years that he would NEVER come to us and would never sign for us…EVEN IF WE WANTED HIM. WHY NOT?????
READ PROPERLY WHAT I SAID ABOVE.
spain, staying home, culture, family, friends, weather, barca his dream, style of play, mega bucks contract. Hence unlike some i wasnt deluded enough to think villa would ever come here.
Stop with the selective reading….realise and read properly next time
@Rooney the new King.
Im totally with you mate, I honestly cant see a sodding player out there that would make us better who we could get. There is of course as you mention Torres, will Liverpool sell, will they fuck. Essien will Chelsea sell, will they fuck. Messi will Barca sell, will they fuck, Ronaldo nope, Fabregas I cant see Wenger going with that one,
So who are we left with players like Suarez, Ribery, Dzeko, DeMaria, Silva, Villa …..
Heres why not.
Suarez – 35million, god age but absolutely NO ONE was singing his praises 1 year ago so are we prepared to spend 35 million on what could be a bumper year, didn’t Veron and Berbatov have one of those.
Ribery – cheated to get Rafael off, ok thats part of the game you can forgive him. BUT 85million Bayern jokingly asked for him when Ronaldo was sold for 80million. Fuck off to that and I think we should wait to see if hes convicted of paedophilia first.
Dzecko – same as Suarez, before this season started NO ONE mentioned him NO ONE.
De Maria – has come out with comments that when he was a boy of 13 14 he told his parents he wanted to join United, that news has only just come out, I cant believe someone from Argentina wanted to play for United and the only player he can quote is Rooney, well Im sorry when De Maria was 13 14 Rooney was 4 years from first team football with Everton. Total Cock that one.
Silva – One word SNAP, hes the lightest looking player Ive seen in a long time and he makes Nani look like the fucking Hulk. I can here it know in E flat the cracking of our 30 million pound new winger under the challenge of a player like JT or Dickson Etuhu. Forget that one. And anyway Silva + Villa + Joaquin (remember him) and Motta (ex la liga golden boot) cant get within 30 points of either Real Madrid or Barca! Who wants that?
Im not sure what it would take for me to say half the things most of you are saying about our Manager, especially when todays news isn’t anything new. Christ, we came second not seventh. He isn’t lying about us having PLENTY of money to buy whoever we want, of course we do, we could go out and spend 80 million on 2 players too, we could even make a 80 million bid for Messi, but thats not how our Club is run and you should be fucking grateful it isn’t. I hope I never see the day we become like Chelsea, who have absolutely fuck all players coming through.
Ronaldo AND Messi are the top players on the continent right now, right? Well Ronaldo cost us a bit more than Smalling, and Messi cost Barcalona nothing because he’s an Academy player. The best Clubs in the world generate their OWN stars, and we’ve been doing that for years. I’d rather see 80 Million spent on expanding our Scouting endevours and Academy facilitiies. If the value isn’t there, or if the right player isn’t there, Alec won’t spend a penny, especially not a Fortune, and so he shouldn’t. Its just my opinion, but I don’t think we need anybody else next Season. Our squad is Strong as Fuck, believe it or not.
Giggs11gerrard0 Nah mate the doc.cheers,
suhayl – HMM united 70% of the time have always done that sign younger players well now its done the foregn root. But what does suprise me is why are united fans suprised players are turning united down its happened allot of the time.
gazza turned united down in 1990
zidane turned united down in the 90′s a phew times
kluivert turned united down a phew times
del pierro did allot
ronaldinho turned united down in 2003
robben turned united down in 2004
essien also did in 2005
ribery and torres turned united down in 2007
benzema turned united down in 2008 and 2009
villa turned united down in 2008 2009 and 2010
I could name a phew more players that have also turned united down, you take gazza out of this who was english, united have never been a great attraction for players and we have mostly built a strong foundations of a brittish core and you add southern european nations like norway denmark etc, the latin players mostly go for the money or they would rather a warmer climate nd play for clubs they grew up watching. Cristiano Ronaldo himself who camehere has a 18 year old if he was older and he was 21 playing for a valencia or benfica etc he would turn united down to play for a barca or fascist side because he is not fan of the british weather and his family do not like englandand they would prefure the big 2 in spain.
suhayl – sorry about that my mistake but I hear fans say we did not have the money for benzema when he turned us down, I thought you were blaming the glazers are the reasons why we did not sign villa sorry about that
RNTK. No worries mate.
I think glazers are a worry, ofcourse they are……there is no doubt they are a parasite on our club
But yes mate Benzema and Villa wasnt or wouldnt be anything over money ( if we had it )…the facts are they chose barca and real over us for a whole load of other reasons.
We just have to accept mate..there are just as bigger fish out there, if not bigger preying for the latest catch.
Parryheid
Of course mate so it was
GoatinaUnitedShirt says:
@Rooney the new King.
Im totally with you mate, I honestly cant see a sodding player out there that would make us better who we could get.
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Just seen this, I got as far as the first bunch of posts and lost the will to continue reading.
Players like Silva or whoever else we’ve been linked with are good players, but for us to even CONSIDER spending a huge amount of money like 30 million what exactly will they give us that we don’t already have? People are seriously saying “lets get this guy he’s surplus to requirements at Real” or “how about blah blah he’s had a poor season at Barcalona so they’ll listen to a bid”
Since when did we become that kind of Club? I’d rather see Tosic brought back before we buy Silva. how about seeing Obertan get a decent run? If he played first team like Silva does, would Silva REALLY be a better player than our own Obertan? Lets develop our own. I know people like Modric, I don’t have anything against him but I’d rather see Eirkem in our midfield FIRST. Lets continue producing the type of player OTHER teams wanna buy, I’d hate to see us operate otherwise. Alot of our Strength on the pitch, and off it financially, comes from PRODUCING talent. We are Strong enough to compete next Season.
rooney the new king
You’ll also find out that we turned Zidane down because “He wasn’t worth £4m” from Bordeaux even though Cantona had recommended him….
paul parker. your bang on the ball there matey.
Looking at what we’ve got and what we need I’v come to this conclusion.
1.VDS is good for another year maybe two, Kuzchak is a fantastic number two and it was a bit overkill to have two promising number twos even though at one stage we needed the two. Next year we have Ben Amos who could get a game or two.
2.At the back we have Rafael, Fabio, O’shea, Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown Evra, deLaet (out on loan?), Evans, Cathcart and no doubt Im missing a few, Gill. No ones getting on, theres years left in all of them and they play the United way. Smallings coming in and hell play and learn in the reserves.
3.Defensive Midfield, we have Hargreaves back BUT how long will he last, Carrick and Scholes can play deep as can Fletcher and Anderson if needed. Have even seen Fabio play in defensive midfield for the reserves. For one possition we are well and truely covered.
4. Our wingers are Nani, Valencia, Giggs (allbeit for only another year?), Park, what will happen with Tosic, Obertan one year better, Norwood maybe for the odd game?, Cleverly, Stewart. Its not too bad.
5. Midfielder tucked in behind the forwards. Scholes, Andersson or even play three wingers with the lone Striker, Berbatov love him or hate him, youngsters coming through, we still have Possebon,
6.Centre Forward = Rooney, enough said.
7.Striker the all important No10. We have Owen, Macheda, Wellbeck all one year better than last year, new signing Hernandez and that is over what we played the majority of this year with.
I’d just like to see a solid 10 put out and youngsters brought in a little more often, our injuries and lack of breathing space all season was the only reason why we didn’t play more youngster in strong teams instead of fielding them and sighing when it all went pair shaped at times.
The only player out there in my opinion whos worth the possible big money is Rodwell. He can defend, he can run, he can score, he can pass – he reminds me of a young Roy Keane. Of course he looks nothing like Roy Keane did, but neither did Roy Keane when with twinkle eyes he was put in the team with midfielders like Ince and Robson. Players grow into their possitions and I think Rodwell could.
damn internet wiped my username out arghh
Paul Parker – I think ronaldo has set such high standards that anyone else expensive we do not think could improve the squad. well it dumb to say lets not sign a barca or fascist player especially th fascist have let quality players go, so that mentality is wrong when they would improve the squad.
aguero – I rate highly, the only down side is aguero’s price target is out of united’s range
silva- again he is no better than our current wingers for goals where he gets about 7 or 8, plus he is injury prone.
modric – he is better than what we he got but not by much, united fans want what he does not provide and that is goals
I would go ahead and sign buffon and l diarra has a starter and then focus our entire focus on a strikerpending if the fascist and juve are willing to sell
RNTK…no chance of buffon mate…he’s staying another year with the bianconeri and SAF has said today Amos will now return from his loan and will be 3rd keeper behind VDS and PIG
@goatinaunitedshirt
I agree with you about getting rodwell.Rodwell is young and is english so worth paying money.And well said about the upcoming youngsters not sure whether everyone would be a regular starter but i really hope some play regularly.Guy i am looking forward to is cleverly .i think to me he is the next iniesta of united.
@rtnk
Mate dont think fergie would buy 3 or 4 new players.I think the priority for us is buying a midfielder and the two players i would want to buy is rodwell and silva.
Asa far as goalkeeping issue is concerned yeah it is also a issue without a doubt but i would love to see ben amos be our next keeper.We should give them chances.Mybe they become the casillas of united.
ash dont quote me on 4 players I said 3, we do not need a winger and the priorety is if fergie can do sonething sign a striker to take the pressure off rooney. but the no 1 area fergie must focus on is finding a long term replacement for VDS that is the big area fergie must look at even moe important than midfield and the striker department
For those who think we can’t afford new signings:
http://www.oleole.com/news/frame/9202267/Man_United_failed_in_last-gasp_Villa_bid
We did bid for Villa in the last moment, but did not beat Barca. Still it was a substantial offer, and maybe at 30 Mil. So , if you’re really buying the “we’ll buy no one” from Fergie, you’re just another one caught in his Mind Games.
Hope we could get Fabiano, Silva and Yaya/Rodwell. Could involve a player or two, but could be great deals, that’s for sure. We got money, we just have to figure how to use it wisely. Reeeeeaaaaaly wisely!
Parryheld, sometimes I wonder mate. I don’t think I’ve ever had a bad word to say about Alec ever, I might disagree with the odd team selection (like starting Berba against Everton in a 4-4-2 etc) but the disrespect put his way over the Glazer Ownership and our Transfers smacks of low fucking class mate.
Our 5 biggest players of the last 20 years have been who? Excluding the King, I’d say Giggs, Scholes, Beckham and Ronaldo. I wouldn’t mortgage the house on that list or anything, but the point is THREE of those players were 100% Academy players, and the other was a Youth/Teenager player.
If its not broke don’t fix it. Bring on Obertan, Eirkem, Kiko, Diouf, Cleverley. I would much rather see Hernandez get a run in the team than see us buy “a world class striker” for all we know Welbeck has 20+ goals in him a year ffs, we’ll never know what our Youth can do unless we give em a chance.
Anderson hasn’t been consistent, but he HAS consistently kept Essien, Gerrard and Fabregas quiet whenever he’s faced them since joining us as 19. I’d rather see him get a run in Central Midfield before we sign somebody else. Lucky Alec is our manager and not Mourinho. In 20 years time I want to be able to say that our top 5 biggest players were Academy and Youth players we developed.
Cole was huge for us between teh Double and Treble years, but he was brought into a team of Butt, Beckham, the Neville Brothers, Scholes and Giggs.Thats the United way and long may it continue even if it means coming second to Chelsea every once in a while.
suhayl – no offence to amos but he ha no experience in the first team what so ever at united to exepect him to replace VDS is just close to suicide, fergie thought cech was not experienced enough to make it at united
Paul Parker – talk about models the one model that has made united succesful is signing a 30 plus GK that is ready made to go into the united first team and own the NO 1 shirt
OR we could try our youth, and get Yaya/Rodwell (we sell Carrick and could get them both), and give Tosic and Cleverley the time to shine as AM, along with Ando (enough of playing him out of position).
So:
Fabiano – Out of contract soon, said he wanted to play for United, and would not be costly.
Rodwell – Great prospect, could involve Carrick in a deal, and cover DM or FB and CB. And can scores goals, as we all remember.
Yaya – Unhappy at Barca, and could come for an affordable price. Seems Arsenal could get him, for Cesc, but I think Wenger Jackson could go for Ibra and/or Henry instead (since, Villa was snapped, leaving Zlatan few choices). Could be a massice deal for us.
If this second post really happened, I would cum in my pants for a month.
rtnk
dont quote me on 4 players I said 3,
Mate even i said 3 or4.I didnt only say 4 players
anyways on to topic
Ok we may not need a winger agree on that but how come you say we dont need a midfielder .If you look at our season its a proper midfielder that we lacked.We have to find a replacement for scholes.I also want fergie to sign a striker but we already have 7 strikers (rooney,berba,owen,diouf,welbeck,macheda,hernandez)yeah most of them are unproven but if we buy a striker then whats the use of these youngsters.I think fergie should give more chances to these young players.Macheda would start more gamesfor sure and i have a feeling that berba would shine.But if we do buy a striker i would be happy.
IN FERGIE WE TRUST
Just had a thought about our need for players. look at this and tell me if we need new players.
First team:
VDS, Neville, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, Valencia, Scholes, Fletcher, Nani, Rooney, Berbatov.
Second team:
Kuzchak, Rafael, Brown, Evans, O’shea, Park, Carrick, Gibson, Giggs, Owen, Macheda.
Third team:
Amos, Fabio, deLaet, Gill, Cathcart, Tosic, Hargreaves, Andersson, Obertan, Wellbeck, Hernandez.
Fourth team:
Heaton, Gray, Smalling, C.Evans, Wooton, Cleverley, Norwood, Possebon, Stewart, Diouf, King.
I could probably make a fith team from Zieler,Eikrem, Brady, Brandy, R.Brown, Ajose, Petrucci, Hewson, Drinkwater, Dudgeon, Cole, Keane, Pogba …………
All of which had a hand in first team action or the winning of the reserve league. All the players next year, a year wiser and another summer of training under their belts can go to the next level. And were all asking who we should sign next. My advice no one we need two fucking first team coaches soon maybe three.
@paul parker
Great post mate.Completely agree with you.Its no point just signing these young players and not giving them chances.Look at barca yeah they buy players but they have built a squad.Their academy is the best .
You know what really frustrating about this season its not we didnt win the leagut its that apart from reemergence of nani and maybe rafael and gibson we have not made any youth player .
ash – I did not say we did not need a midfielder that area is a gigantic area that united need to improve on, but united need a new GK more but to be honnest both GK and midfielder are has important has each other to improve the squad.
RTNK
You got a point mate, Schmeichel came to us late 20′s already developed and mature. Personally I think Birmingham are getting a Bargain. Foster is 28, so he has his best years ahead of him, and he’s surely made all his Cock Ups with us. Look at David James he’s like 50 years old and he’s still a fantasic Keeper. Personally I like the look of Hart, but perhaps we’re not in the market for a Keeper just yet VDS has at least another year in him, and Kuszack bless his socks, has been solid when we’ve needed him to be. I’d be happy if we waited and grabbed a Keeper in January. But in the league last season GIVEN for me was the best Keeper anywhere hands down. Absolutely solid.
Thats not including VDS of course, lol, before im strung up on a e-cross by somebody.
RNTK….im not in a million years sayin amos could replace vds..dont know where you get that from…and ofcourse that would never happen…..he’s nowhere near 1st team, let alone replacing vds.
What i am saying is…our transfer on keepers is done for the summer…benny foster out….benny amos in..vds, pig and amos done for the year. Thats our 3 for 2010/11
I hope Amos can get a game or two next season, we really need to take a look at the goalkeeper situation soon. Buffon seems the only keeper who is established and available. Hart looks a good prospect maybe we can monitor him as well.
There isn’t really any player standing out and available who could improve us. So I don’t understand what all those “fans” are ranting about us not buying anyone, that it is all gloom and doom, our club is gone, stuff like that. Our club have never been a big buying club, and it never will, we create our heroes, never buying them, and I like it this way.
Someone pointed out this before. Who did we buy that changed us from losers to 4 years ago to serial winner again? It was Carrick, not some world player of the year. Gathered it was lucky that alot of players came good at the same time, but it has always been our tradition isn’t it? Bringing up a group of players together, albeit through a rough patch as always.
Sir Alex will sort us out, he always have.
Let me tell you if we dont strengthen expect more lost on the way. I hope we lost and dont win anything? Why? Because we get to change owner as fans disappointed at the club continuing of spending money to repay debt. For the past 5 years, the money has all gone to debt. Dont believe? Then i only can say you are blind. Enough of this.
GoatinaUnitedShirt – I could pick apart the area’s that united are short off.
in goal – VDS is 40, kuszszec is not the long term sollution to that area and amos is insanly inexperienced
midfield – scholes is in his last season propably, look at his last 4 sasons, 2005 it was up and down for scholes and he ruled himself out in jan 2006 and we ended up playing oshea and giggs in midfield which was a masterstroke to the end of the 05/06 season. scholes was sensation in 06/07 season, 07/08 and 08/09 seasons scholes never reached the hights of the 06/07 season and this season he was great.
hargreaves has been injured for 2 seasons and it is more likely he will continue to pick up injurys
carrick what to make of the guy, he has not been the same since the CL final defeat and fergie seemed to have a bust up with carrick in august, and the past month or 2 fergie has not played him allot and he seems to delay his passing allot of the time.
anderson – he has picked up a horrible injury, you add his poor form its made uniteds options more limited for the boss in midfield
gibson – I dont know with the guy, he is a good midfielder who is our most threatening midfieder for getting a a phew goals, but like carrick he delays his passing
strikers – rooney got 34 berbatov got 13 and the rest of the strikers did not gt close to 10 well owen got 7, unless rooney has another monster season I do not see great improvements in berbatov and co, who berbatov himself is close to begging to stay which is a worrying sign for me, when the quality united players they have strong metal toughness. hernandes wil be used like ronaldo of 2003 slowly brought into the team, welbeck is also getting over a bad injury and macheda has not really took the bull by the balls.
@kel
what kind of a fan you are.you say its better we lose so that glazers go.Yeah we all hate glazers but i dont hate glazer that muct than i love our sexy club.
Talk some sense.
SAF sending mixed signals out again, hard to know what the truth is. I’ll be shocked and disappointed if we don’t at least bring in two players. If giggsy, Rooney and Red Nev are saying we need a couple of players, then that says it all for me. I do hope the boss is playing mind games this time, we don’t need much, but we have to freshen things up a little, keeps all the squad on their toes.
I did forget we have signed Hernandez and Smalling, looking forward to seeing these two on the tour. If it is only one player we sign in the summer, who do yous think we’ll go for?
before I leave for the day,
king eric I saw your rant on yesterdays page, wind your neck in son c’mon on.
all that for me ?I thought I ended it by saying agree to disagree.
firstly, its easy to call me a tosser and a cunt from the safety of your PC but I highly doubt you would say any of that if we we’re discussing football over a pint with nothing but a table between us, alright? Take my word on that Pal, you wouldn’t.
back to the FOOTBALL.
your comments on Nani PRIOR to his heroics told me your opinion on our up and coming players wasn’t really worth two shits mate, not to me anyway and especially when I didn’t ask for them. I was on here talking up Nani and you was talking him down. we both know who was right there.
now its Anderson. I was being POSITIVE about our young star who only just turned 22, and you were questioning why I felt so optimistic about him. what a daft question, but I still entertained it. You feel optimistic about cleverley do you not? well considering what Anderson has already done for the Club including scoring in a Champions League final as a 19 year old in his first season, I think im justified in being positive about him. your welcome to disagree and be selective with your optimism btw.
Just makre sure you agree to disagree, ok? and in future if you read something POSITIVE written by me about our young players, like Anderson, bite your fucking tongue mate, cos this whole thing started with you telling me your less than flattering opinion on Anderson. when I didn’t even ask for it. Once I say agree to disagree, you just do that.
If his stand out performances against the big 4 haven’t convinced you of his talent, and if you think Aaron fucking Ramsey is a better player than Anderson, thats up to you mate. feel free to ignore his contributions to us winning points against Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool over the last 3 years. feel free to prefer Rodwell like you said. Its your choice. If Anderson doesn’t fill you with confidence its no skin off my nose. I’ll let him prove his doubters wrong on the pitch, like Nani did.
But in the future, if you read me on here saying something POSITIVE about one of our undeniably talented young players, let alone one Alec himself says IS Scholes replacement, can you please keep your negativity to yourself Pal, its fucking boring having to justify my posts to somebody on here with an opinion I rarely respect…… AGREE TO DISAGREE.
@willierednut
Mind games it is mate – you know the gaffer is up to something when he’s telling us otherwise : )
Always happy times at OT despite all the bad things – Glazers – no premiership – no Cl : )
Anyways to us all – we’ll get to see our next big thing on Monday when Mexico play England
Will be interesting to see what Chicharito does to Rio – more importantly to cashley and Lord JT : )
willierednut – what does worry me is fergie sayed united may not buy anyone on the same day that the glazers interest rates have risen, what pisses me right off is united say they made a last gasp attempt to sig villa even though we knew uniited were never going to sign villa because he does not want to sign for united, it seems to me that they are saying this has a pethetic attempt to say to fans hey we tried to buy villa but it seems a pethetic way to con the fans that is what I am getting at the moment.
Players turned United down because we never offered them the wages the big teams in Europe paid, i.e Ac Milan and Juventus in the 80′s/Early Nighties and the Spanish clubs in the late 90′s/Noughties. Gaza turned us down because Spurs offered him more.
Fegie though has made us a club who can attract the best but the Glazers are determined to undo that.
So many people talk about loyalty to Utd, I love my team, have a season ticket and will follow them no matter what but only a fool will say the Glazers buiness plan is going to keep us competetive. As fans we have the right to protest agains owners who are ruinining the club. SAF is only towing the line so he can stick around and limit the damage the Glazers are doing.
There is no harm if Utd fans are asking the club to buy a quality player in the summer. We have alway bought when we have needed even in the 80′s when I still turned up even though we were never likely to win any of the biggies . We have always been about youth and buying the right player.
sorry for the random post, just wanted to reply to your mate king eric.
but for future reference, if I say something you disagree with, like,
….Anderson is a world class star in the making
do feel free to question my opinion if you feel THAAT strongly about it
But once I reply and finish by saying agree to disagree pls just do that.
Because nobody here can convince me Ando ain’t future world class.
Just like nobody could convince me Nani wasn’t. Its all opinions fellas!
Enjoy the Kings Cup tonight. I say Atletico.
@GoatinaUnitedShirt and Paul Parker: Agree with you guys – I think most of the names being bandied about are overrated and overpriced. As I mentioned earlier, I think all we need for the next 1-2 years is someone like Yaya Toure..someone who can dominate the mf. That’s all we need – I think 4-4-2 is dead, whether you, me or Berba like it or not. With 4-5-1 and a terminator type midfield three, I think we got enough firepower upfront in the form of Rooney, Diouf, Owen and Hernandez (not convinced if Macheda can play the lone striker).
blimey…summat must have gone on, on here last night..
yep copa del rey final…..
junior apprentice on beeb too…funny yet interesting
@Paul Parker: Agreed again about Ando – I just love that guy, and I genuinely think that we would have nicked Chelsea this season had he been fit. Cheers and nightinite!
Jeez, everyone’s got their negativity hats on today.
RTNK – Did we really bid for Villa? i’m not sure we did. These stories always emerge we lose out on a player. Now, we’re apparently in for Ribery again, whats the odds we don’t get him.
Jeet – You were doing well until you mentioned Ya ya Toure, we don’t need him, we’ve got the Fletchdestroyer lol.
willierednut – I think its a way of saying we bid for the player but we know we wont get him its callled trying to take the fans for a ride, like propaganda because there will be no signings for one of 2 reasons
either united are skint because the parasites have access to uniteds entire accounts
or the transfer market has become a place where players are 2 expensive for united to buy
@Tony Starks
Yes you can get around the Squaud limits by selling and loaning BUT you need to be able to sell or loan the players in question.
With the squad limit you have to be sure you can sell or loan the fringe players otherwise you have a problem of having to pay wages for players you can’t use. If you can’t use them then their values will drop. And you can’t be seen as being desperate to get rid of players because again it lowers the price you can get for them
@bigphil2003
It’s probably because Villa signed for Barcelona. It’s like when a girl you know hooks up with someone and for a split second you start wondering if you could have had her
Personally I’ve come to accept the fact that we probably won’t spend big in the summer. Smalling, Herhandez and probably someone else along those lines will fill the gaps that Fergie sees in his squad. Whethe that will be enough or not is another story.
@NotoriousRedDevil
“Gill has come out and made this statement to put fear into fans to then renew their tickets”
I doubt that’s the case. He would be walking a very dangorousline legally by doing so especially since the bond issue.
@suhayl
How does a World Class striker help the team. SAF wants to play 1 up top so how does having another expensive player to sit on the bench help anyone. They just take up a squad place and hinders the progress of the likes of Kiko. SAF isn’t suddenly going to start playing two strikers as we saw Berba struggling up top of his own in a number of games last season when the option to play 2 up was there. Another striker would be cover for Rooney and that’s it, but that’s the role Owen was brought in for and despite being fit he wasn’t given the games.
As for a creative midfielder as I have said to you before that’s the last thing we need. We are filled with creative player. We need an attacking, goal getting midfielder. We are talking about a player like Scholes of old who can get from midfield to support the lone striker
@rooney the new king
While we need a new keeper ‘buying’ the keeper this season would be a waste imho. Again its just taking up a squad place with very little chance of playing. And lets be honest Keepers careers can so often be destroyed by sitting on the bench (Foster imho is the perfect example of this, Kirkland had his career hindered, Harts going to go backwards you would feel). It makes more sense to get have a keeper in mind, get the deal hammered out with the keeper coming in for 2011/12
@suhayl
“seeing SAF said he would buy 2 signings yesterday and by last night he retracted that”
Does he actually go back on it. His sstatement actually ambigious. He says there “May be one signing” which sounds like there is something in the pipeline and then he says “and maybe we’d like to get a good player to the club”.
So that could be two players
@GoatinaUnitedShirt
On the fees I agree with your assesements of the supposed targets. Mind you with Villas deal as I have said before I think Silva could be bought for a realistic amount as Valencia seem to have come to their senses (25mill would be value for money) and I think he could do a job. He is maybe a little ‘light’ but I think he has enough to overcome this.
@Danillaço
Notice no-one mentions United. I don’t believe we would put in a bid for Villa. IMHO if i had to guess it was from the other side of the City
@Wakey
Can’t you demote those fringe players for good in the Reserves? Will they still be registered as part of our first team squad then?
In the 11-12 season that problem won’t be so evident because we will probably have 4 players retiring in the summer of 2012.
@rooney the new king
The only information on United bidding for Villa is from the papers. The papers have come up with this belief because Valencia have said they received a significant bid from England that wasn’t from Chelsea.
Neiher Valencia or United have said it was us.
And seriously if you think the clubs going to waste their time putting in bids to look good you are being a little deluded. If it turns out we did bid then its because we got wind of Valencia dropping 10mill off his asking price and that it was in the price range that United valued him at. Otherwise why haven’t we put a 80mill bid in for Messi which would almost certainly be turned down
Sorry, I meant 4 players retiring in the summer of 2011. Nev, Giggs, Scholes and VDS.
Wakey – Ah come on, we know it wasn’t us, we don’t have that type of money.
@Costas
You can demote them to the reserves but 1st team players won’t be happy with a season in the reserves and you don’t want to be paying reserve players first team wages. Also the general view is the reserve leagues are part of the problem with English football as the quality just isn’t good enough to bring players through so you risk damging the fringe players progres. Its why a lot of the top clubs have expressed support to the idea of reserve teams playing in the lower divisions
And again there is resale value, stuck in the reserves for a year will kill the value of these players which isn’t good as Fringe players may not make it.
And yes the player retirements may help but we also have players reaching the age limit and refreshing the squad in future seasons. Clubs have to really have long term plans now in a way they didn’t in the past
I don’t know what the fuss over Silva is about. Sure he’s good, but look at his stats. If anyone wants, I could post them again, but Nani and Valencia are equal or nearly equal to him, and they have all important Premier League experience.
Wakey – that is what is happening at OT because lets face it the glazers or better word the parasites are taking countless amount of cash out of OT, they are not selling the club because they know the amount of cash the club makes so their defination of parasites is exactly what they are and they are a disgrace, christ they did not even have the money to buy the club
I hope if any signing is coming in its joe cole and as for a goalkeeper akinfeev would need to do more than play well against us in champions league,lioris not even as good as bad, the german neur dont think so.I’ll rely on the man responsible for pointing valencia our way tipping his old boss sir alec of should craig gordon start showing signs of restlessness because that is a class goalkeeper ask any sunderland fan.Find it strange he never comes into the equation for when edwin finishes no doubt I will now get people’s reason’s why they think not.
@ Sayyid, Henry, Ibra, Kaka?!? Seriously, get your head out of the clouds, mate.
god knows how much money united have lost due to this deformed ownership that is going on
@Wakey
I imagine that fringe players wouldn’t be too happy. I was thinking that you could do that with someone like Diouf or De Laet, but even they will regard it as a step down. Spanish sides have found the best solution for this. Real have Real b. So you can basically keep players in your squad without stacking it and use them in a competitive environment.
Squad size now? the excuses keep coming.
@willierednut: Maybe not Tiure, but I do feel we need backup for Fletch. Hargreaves still too dodgy, and trying Anderson to play DMF is a sad, sad case of forcing a potential da vinci to do a 9-5 job. I do feel that if we need Scholes and Giggs to deliver for one more season, we need another Fletch type player…as someone else mentioned, can you imagine the space that would get created and how Scholes would utilize that space if he played in front of Fletch and someone like Fletch or even better (okay…maybe not Kolo’s whore brother, but someone like say…Zanetti…or Gattusso)…I think it would be awesome…
another experiement I am dying to see is valencia being given a try down the middle…could again be a masterstroke, with his pace, strength and understanding with rooney, he could be a real asset for us in that position with nani down the right and Giggs/park/Obertan down the left…mouthwatering….
All in all, I thinK SAF is right…we really don’t need much…
With Arsenal and Chelsea looking to strengthen their squads for next season, if we don’t sign an Attacking Midfielder this summer, we won’t win the League. If it wasn’t for Scholes, we would have been well and truly fucked this season and out of the title race long before. His brilliance papered over lots of cracks in the middle – and we can’t expect him to come to the rescue next season, or rely on him to compensate for someone’s absence. The next midfielder we should sign should be a replacement for Scholes. We NEED an AM. This cannot be ignored any longer.
Just back to the core subject….
Good for you Scott for printing all of Gill’s statement., including his confidence that with FIXED interest rates (note GHTT) brought about through the bond and rising revenue, the club’s in STRONG position to compete at the top level for years to come.
(In the past I’ve criticised you for pulling out the pieces that support your campaign against the owners but this was very balanced.)
I don’t belive for a second Fergie doesn’t have whatever money he wants but there’s absolutely no way he’ll spend over the odds just to prove that to the doubters. Especially given the squad we’ve got.
I’ve renewed my two season tickets already but I defend everybodies right to protest in whatever (legal) way they want …as long as it doesn’t hurt the team or damage the club long term.
Bottom line is I honestly belive our club’s in good shape and we could have a whole lot worse owners than the Glazers.
Dave Mack – Veron 28 million, Berbatov 31 million, Rooney 30 million, Carrick 18 million. The boss does has paid over the odds, as these figures suggest.
@Costas
The likes of Diouf and De Laet imho are even more vital that they are able to play some First Team games. They are at ages where the benefit they will get from Reserve games is slightly limited and you would feel they would become forgotten due to the u21′s in the reserves getting a chance to have some first team action while they don’t. The likes of Diouf, De Laet and Gibson have to either be in the 25 or atleast loaned to Prem teams else we may as well release them rather than rot in the reserves.
This is where its so easy for us as fans to sit here and try and play ‘Fantasy Football’ where we can put together lists of players to buy, players to keep and players to sell but in reality for those running United (and every other Prem club) its a hard task that’s bee made even harder
@Fze123
Are Arsenal and Chelsea really looking to streangthen their teams though or is a lot of it ‘paper talk’. Chelsea especially have issues (They had real issues with both total squad size and Home Grown players in the CL the last two seasons)
What they are going to be doing is replacing some players (Deco, Ballack, Cole and the likes) for new players but new players, especially foreign players don’t mean they will be better. Also many of the players they are looking to replace are fringe players so are they going to replace them with World class players and if so whats that going to do to squad harmony which as we see with Real is one of the most important factors in a team.
And remember that Last season there was all this talk of who Chelsea wanted to buy and in the end their players coming in were lower key than ours (Zhrikov, Sturrage and Turnbull I believe were all they signed) so just because the papers say they are going to spend big doesn’t mean they will (infact for the last year everything we have heard about Abramvich seems to indicate he is seeing it as less of a toy and more of a business. Even his ‘wiping’ out of their debts was for a financial gain for him)
Paul Parker – Tell you what pal. I have apologised earlier but fuck you. If you want to meet up I am willing to do so first game of season. You know fuck all about me either so stop acting the big man.
Done with this fucking Blog. Laters lads.
Actually you have a fucking cheek. I Never slag the lads off. All this started because i didn’t agree with your precious comments on Ando. Fuck me. Who are you? I think you will find I am the most positive person on here and am rather angered by your comments. To be honest I never read your posts fully as they are 50000 words fucking long. Now you say I talk shite. As I said you get aggressive when someone disagree’s. How old are you? Bet I was watching United when you were in fucking nappies. As I say I will meet you beginning of August and we will take this further seeing as you think I am some mug.
willierednut Veron28mill.We bought an icon the supporters in italy where he came from were burning effigy’s that was a coup.Rooney 30mill.if we wre to sell him we supporters would be looking for minimum double that.Berbatov city queered our pitch and caused 5mill to be welded on overnight because he would only sign for United.Fact.Carrick 18mill.good buy at a competitive rate.The only downside Veron unfortunately couldnt take the pressure also you neglect to mention what Chelsea paid for his transfer.Berbatov is doing alright and will do better this coming season so what do these figures suggest?Maybe that the manager isn’t as dumb as you appear to be suggesting.Only an opinion but its mine.
@ NotoriousRedDevil & Wakey
you two guys talk a lot of sense. in an ideal world where money was no object, then yes we could
spend 50 or 70 million plus on a player. but the new reality is that :
1 – all prem clubs will have to abide to the “home grown player” rule
for United it means that we have to plan long term, in terms of player development and promotion , and trust that the players
we’ve sent out on loan, and have some 1st team experience will come good. this is how it will be. so
we will see a lot of under 21s in the squad, and aquired from overseas too. this is not such a bad thing. it just means that SAF will have to be more careful when buying a player who’s over 21 but under 30. so that this player is united quality and established in his own right eg David Silva, or Fabiano.
2 – as cited by NotoriousRedDevil SAF cannot come out and explicity state “we haven’t got any money or the Glazers have decreased my budget, or I support the LUHG campaign” can he?
3 – Neither can Gill state the same thing.
Most of us work, and unless you’re your own boss, most of us are employees. now if we uncovered
something or knew certain information that was not in the public domain and company policy meant we had to keep our mouths shut, which may not be illegal, but if we decided to “whilstle blow” and tell the whole world do you not think it would
a – damage the company’s reputation
b – give our competitors an edge over us
c – we’ll be out of a job
so whilst we all know Gill is talking out of his backside about season tickets and crownd attendance
he’s caught between a hard rock and a hard place. he’s the director and his bosses are the Glazers.
he know’s the club inside out, and i bet anyone of you, if you were to talk to him “off record” he would
say that the debt loaded onto United is hurting the club and that the Glazers are just leaches.
think back when he was the finance director and we were still a PLC. those are his true feelings about the Glazers, but he has to be diplomatic.
3 – Gill and SAF are allies, and they are both not stupid men. they know the feelings of the fans about Glazers and the club debt. they know what the Glazers are about, and that they’r ejsut in it for themselves to make as much money from us. they also know that, unless some rich arab, russian, or indian or Bill Gates turns up and decides to buy United and it’s debt then they will have to manage the situation the best they can until the Glazers do sell.
one of the only good thing, is that we are increasing revenue through our commercial arm and as the recent sponsorship announcement about the wine company these types of blue chip sponsorships is important to United’s future.
the fact is, if united players like Hargreaves, Anderson, KIko return fit and ready, then there’s no reason to think that we can’t regain our EPL title back and get to the CL final and win it.
BELIEVE
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Finally here are my 2 posts from yesterday that have caused you to get all upset. Can’t see owt wrong with them myself:
“Paul – Not being funny fella but what has Anderson done to warrant a statement from yourself that he can score “ten plus goals”?”
and
“Paul – Bloody hell mate, war and peace. I sincerely hope you are right about Anderson but I just haven’t seen anything to warrant such claims in 3 seasons now. To me he looks lazy and just seems to think he has made it, often sauntering about like a fucking rude boy. Looks like he is a stone overweight as well. Really hope he becomes the player we wish for as I do like him having said all that. And yes I was one of Nani’s critics and will readily admit that I was wrong”
So there you go PAUL realy nasty comments them weren’t they? As I said I ahave also apologised at the end of the World Cup blog so wind your fucking neck in.
Also I need “to ask you” for permission to comment on your posts? It is a BLOG!!!! As I say who do you think you are? Top fucking red. For your information I watch all the acadamey and reserve games and love the youths so for you to imply that I don’t rate them is silly frankly. I am just not that impressed by Ando then you start laying into me . How dare I dislike him! How fucking dare I diss him? He is paid millions of fukicng pounds a year so I will say what the fuck I like and I just don’t think the bloated cunt pulls his weight. Simple as that.
No coincidence this blog has lost some VERY GOOD POSTERS OF LATE.
Keep up the work Scott but I for one am gone along with Fred, Failsworrth, Red Manc, North Stand etc etc.
King Eric – I agree with you mate, I do not rate anderson that highly I was insanly delighted when we signed him. I was expecting a top draw creative midfielder who had the direct drive off ronaldo and I was expecting about 8 or 9 goals a season and then he would get even better and become a future world player of the year that could play in midfield and on the left. I do not know if its the management staff that have watered down his game but he seems to have gained weight and his goal scoring threat is perhaps the worst I have seen since the days of claude makelele, if thats anderson on youtube in his days at gremio they must have kidnapped the real anderson because he has been plain awful, he was good in his first year but I never understood the united fans giving anderson a song in 2007 when nani had a far better first season than anderson did.
and also nani set up some gigantic goals like blackburn everton and lyon away and a phew other games, tearing arsenal apart in the 4 0 victory, scoring the winning goal against spurs at H, maybe fans did not like his attitude? but he did more in his first season has a attacking threat than anderson did, and it did make me cringe when united fans put in their anderson song and he shits on fabrigas when fabrigas is a much better player
@Rooney the new king.
“in goal – VDS is 40, kuszszec is not the long term sollution to that area and amos is insanly inexperienced”
The goal keeper issue is a weird and wonderful one that I feel is completely different for other possitions on the pitch mate. I feel for a champions league contending side which we undoubtedly are bringing a keeper up throught the ranks is a slow process. I agree with you that VDS is old and a replacement is needed within the next few years, Kuszchak is not number 1 material at present and Amos/Heaton are totally inexperienced but bringing in a goalkeeper like Neuer (?not sure of spelling) and Afinogov (?again spelling) isn’t and shouldn’t be where we are at. Kuachak is a goal keeper already in that class. If United are looking for a replacement it should be immediate and not to sit behind VDS. I think Peruzzi next summer and organise the deal already this summer. United cannot afford time bedding in a keeper who may or may not make it at United but must always go for a world class world beater immediately. With outfield possitions you can gamble on a youngster sometimes but not in goal. For the goal keeping possition I’d rather spend 15million on a Peruzzi and get 5 years than 15 million on a Neuer/Afinogov that may or may not work out.
I also feel that these two keepers are not vocal enough and if United have learned anything since the departure of Peter the great its no matter how good the shot stopper is, if his character is quiet and meek then hes no bloody good. (Bosnic, Barthez, Howard, Foster and some could argue Kuzchak).
@King Eric
If it means anything to you I hope you don’t leave this blog, no doubt we haven’t seen eye to eye on numerous occasions but your still a United boy and family. Chin up rough day by PP maybe, who knows have a beer as I am and I’ll drink to your health.
For conversational purposes Ando has had a bit of a lazy time of late but I’m still not sure what is in store for the boy. Ive seen him play in def midfield, left back, attacking midfield and he even played centre forward briefly for Porto. Hes just a young lad and he peeked and now hes in a dip, every player has those dips around 22 – 23 then they have there second burst of grateness around 25 -27. It also not neccesarily just the player themselves but also the players that are vailable around you to learn from (the reason I believe for Berbatov – to make Rooney better give him insight into other things) with Hargreaves back maybe Ando can jump to the next stage. Who knows, I just remember the two champions league semi finals against Arsenal, there I thought he showed a touch of what is to come.
Chin up and keep smiling but yeah i will agree with you he looked at the beginning of last season a lazy fatty, reminded me of that Adriano a year or two back.
parryheid – What the fuck are you talking about mate, i’m not for one minute suggesting that our manager is fucking dumb, i’m saying we have paid over the odds for certain players. How you came to that conclusion, beggers believe. @King Eric Don’t you be leaving as well, it’s starting to get way out of hand, all this shit.
Get used to the idea that wearent gonna sign fuck all from the top tier this yaear as well. Save yourselves the stomach ulcers and needless worrying.
We aren’t gonna be going into next season in a strong
position. We’ll be struggling our pants off but hoefully we will
make it in the end
willierednut – I agree we payed over the odds on some players that were not needed and we should have been brighter and get them before their fee’s risen.
like carrick cost spur 4 million we ened up paying 18 million
hargreaves would have cost united nothing in 2005 6 months later united are after hargreaves
berbatov I do not think he was better or would have improved uniteds squad and it was a strange signing when we already had ronaldo rooney and tevez
veron again with berbatov, he would not have made united that much better and again another strange signing, when we aready had keane scholes and butt
I’m really glad all the idiots in their green and gold, particularily the ones wearing it over their shiny new Nike United jerseys, have affected so much.
Let’s see.
Ticket sales consistent with past years
Revenues higher year on year
Marked as the most profitable sports franchise in the world
The most successful club in England (since the ‘devil’ Glazers have arrived)
Still have the best manager in the world along with some of the top players, including the best striker in the world.
I could go on and on…
Your green and gold was a fun way to “fight the man” but please leave it at home next season. It’s done absolutely nothing. If anything it’s only gone to polarizing United fans.
Based on our current successes, the sqaud we have, and the members of the club as a whole I would say we’re set up pretty damn good for success in the near and mid-range future.
The only thing your green and gold campaign has done is give the street vendors a bit of extra pocket change from selling you the scarves and other ridiculous items.
Love United Hate Glazers? More like, love United but are more obsessed with ousting owners that you know nothing about, not to mention being upset with a business plan that you know absolutely nothing about.
Keep your thoughts on football, as most of you know nothing about financing/running a business.
RedDeviled Egg – it is a democrecy and I hope they continue to wear it, these idiots care deeply for the club and to just dismiss it because it does not effect the club is unfair, it was never aimed to hit the parasites in the pockets hard but a message to the parasites we are pissed off and had enough of their ownership that is why its been worn
willierednut. I didn’t realise I I suggested anything.You made the statement about overpricing I tried to counteract it.as I read it logic say’s you believe somebody is at fault for that.Read my post again you will find I said Appear that’s what I’m fucking talking about mate.Here was I thinking you were going to make some points regarding my defence of the prices paid for these playerts.apparently not why would that be.
city have bid £20mil for milner…wonder if this will force fergie to make a move like he did with rooney after newcastle made a move…….
parryheid – No – ones to blame, we always get screwed in transfer fees. City have bid 20 million for Milner.
20 million for milner and it made me wonder why didnt united sign him from newcastle and he is overrated in my view
Willierednut. apologise for my testy reply,getting a bit touchy with all the computer warriors appearing recently.Miner 20mill.now that’s overpriced hehe
Maybe that the manager isn’t as dumb as you appear to be suggesting, thats clear cut to me. I didn’t mention the fee we got for Veron, why would i, we’re talking about what United pay for players. On Carrick, you say a competitive fee, i say we got but fucked by Spurs on that one. Veron, i think we offered 22million, then somehow, it went to 28 million. Rooney, he was 16, 17 at the time. We ended up paying 30 million for him, but still at the time, it was a lot of money. As i’ve said, it’s nobodys fault, we always get screwed in the transfer market.
What the fuck is going on, City and Chelsea steal our transfer targets. Real Madrid steal our players, this shit is unacceptable.
I never thought sales at games would be effected, anti Glazer or not. There are plenty of Day Trippers to fill the seats. All the big games will sell out and so will the not so big. The only games I ever see suffering are the Deep Winter midweek Premiership games but 72,000+ isn’t bad.
@Reddevildegg
I don’t do G&G Either but to call the Fans who do Idiots is very unfair. They deserve respect for standing up for their beliefs. We all support the same team don’t we?.
I hate to say this, but there is absolutely no way we will win the title back next season if SAF does not buy a top class striker with some pace to help Rooney. I am Rooney’s biggest fan, but I’m worried he will get injured again at some point next season. I sincerely hope I am wrong in my assumptions.
Your definately right to worry about injury to wayne the boots will be laid into him very early doors in fact I think he will struggle to make 20 goals next term,he’ll be stopped at any cost.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/421599896?-11193
More great news.
willierednut – I think the squad has gone stale the place has and it needs freshened up, especially that the parasites think that they have have spent enough in summer 2007 and 08 that they now can use our profits to pay a debt that will never be payed off, they think they have invested enough in the squad but on the same hand they want to be here for years and years to come which I could not stomach another year with these parasites. they are using our club has their own personal piggy bank.
IIt is ironic no united fan would be willing to spend 67 million on a player, yet 67 million is spent to pay interest payments, it is clear has daylight the bond was never going to pay lower interest payments but the bond is there, so the parasites could take more chunks of money out of the club, because before they had to spend some of their own money on the interest payments, now all of the clubs profits can be used to pay for the interest payments, and it stinks like the old parasites gingers pants he wears
like I say it maybe coincidence that on the day fergie says he may buy no one is the same day that more reports coming out of the horrific interest payments that will be added to the ever rising deformed ownership of our club, which is holding the club back from becoming even better in the years to come.
I dont know what to think regards the comments notes made bye the Chief Excutive.What I will acknowledge the current “custodians” have brought a heavy stream of finance in marketing nous.And there ability to use the Manchester United brand too attract new partners.
I think a bit more than a lot of the lads on here who are clearly passionate about the season ticket prices(I am not that priveledged) and get very angry at what they are being asked to pay for there seat.
David Gill states season ticket sales are on a par basis with previous seasons at this stage, I see no reason to disbelieve this, if it were not true in this day and age of whistle blowers I am quite confident someone within the Club would state the correct state of play.
This debate is very interesting and sad really that some people fall out over the stratedgy of the Club and the Glazer and there leeching of Uniteds cash.
If I tell you rock and hard place, I have read they, as in the Glazer will only go when we start to fail in the Champions league ,qualification i mean.Then and only then if you are a realist will they depart. We can bitch and moan and groan as much as we like but the sad facts are they have us bye the short and curlies.
As for the Red Knights and preparing a buisness plan, hold on a minute, men have been mobilized quicker to land on the Moon.Step forward please with a coherent thought through financial plan with no hidden agendas.
Lastly but not least, Paul Parker you gotta apologise to King Eric and vice versa, come on lads how can a lad like me learn about the club if you vanish. Kiss and make up, its just opinions and comments.
Although I do agree, Anderson does have a huge arse built for sheilding the ball. lol.
I hope my financial ramblings make sense or not, but I dont give a fuck, there my thoughts.
Over and Out.
You have to wonder if the Red Knights were ever serious about buying the club, if that articles true of course. It’s soul destroying not being able to compete with City and chelsea for the top players, none of those clubs are on our level for fucksake.
Didn’t expect to hear any positive reports on the debts anytime soon. Don’t know what to make of it. In a way I am starting to get used to it, which is the worst thing that can happen.
I know i said it earlier but fuck me, i dont know when ive ever seen so many negative united fans in one place. So what if barca bought David Villa? We were never seriously in the race for him anyway. Same goes for Milner – two weeks ago people were on here saying hes ‘not a united player’ and now they’re upset because City have gone for him?!
@King Eric – Hope you don’t leave mate as i always find your posts to be intelligent and well thought out whether i agree with them or not. Though to be honest i wouldn’t blame you as a lot of idiots have turned up in the last six weeks. Must have seen five different people suggesting meeting up for a scrap with fellow reds recently. Get a fucking grip lads!
The news at least does away with the myth of 40some twenty mill.each partners onlly trouble is they have only succeeded in fracturing the support and given comfort to the ABU who have a good chuckle at the forums pro and anti’s ripping into each other.
willierednut and Costas – I will never get used to this, we are paying leout this into perspective ronaldo or kaka type interests, just realise this ronaldo and kaka type interests that is a complete disgrace, we have lost 437 million pounds since 2005 if the man utd supporters trust fans numbers are right. That could buy us a new team and extend OT and fans say players fees or inflated with that cash we could be ahell of a loot better off. And it is has soul destroying has twilight that we are not competeting with the big players and shitty are, it is basically on the parasites model win things on the cheap, but I will not contridict myself the transfer market has become an expensive dead squid but the parasites model win things on the cheap is going to be a wrong route to take
bigphil2003 – I agree for me it seems there is too much drama at times. I am here for united and football talk not get annoyed and leave the site when PPL disagree with each other.
has for milner he has never been a player that we needed united need to target the spine, but if the parasites are taking this amount of cash out of the club then it is a waste of time talking about transfers because the only buying we will be doing is paying PIK loans
@ Willie I agree we have stonking young players, jaysus we just won two cups with these lads.
Citeh can take Milner he is ok but thats it, and Nando also( crying) lol.
I personally think Willie everyone is a bit sore because the historic 4 in a row was so close.
But………………. I wont do repetition its tedious.
Plus I sorta know, you no I am laughing and smiling when I am posting.
Not on the Glazer, i KNOW its a fucking serious situation.
I say lets wait and see regards the Red Knights, I have my own private dossier on the main players and there backgrounds and history in the financial world.
I just say its not a clean bill of health.
Glad you are still alive mate and keeping everyone smiling and too the point posts.
Bonnuit. off to the pub for my medication.
@RTNK
It’s not that I am happy with the situation. I am against the Glazers anyway. I just find it hard to believe anyone at this point. Whether it’s the Glazers, the Red Knights, the papers and even Fergie. Numbers get thrown around on a daily basis.
The article that willierednut posted happens to coincide with the Villa transfer and the possible transfer of Milner to City. And while I believe that Villa was never going to be a target, I do feel that in Milner’s case we would like to do something, but can’t outbid them.
redscot – It’s been crazy on here today, i hope KE and PP can sort their problems out, no need for any of that shite.
Costas – I have said this today wakey disagrees, that the club are using a propaganda stragedy that we will put a bid in for a player in the mould of villa, even know we wont get the player it is a bullshit excuse hey we bid for the player but we know we wont get the player has a way of saying we have cash but in reality we do not really have the cash because we are spending that cash on the outrages PIK loanes, it is basically taking the fans for a ride. the red knights have shown they cant afford the club and the parasites want a 2 or even 3 billion pound price for the club, they are hanging on and holding the club back
During the past hour both The Guardian and The Daily Mail are reporting the the attempt by the Red Knights to buy UTD looks doomed. Major figures in the consortium now believe that the chance of success will not happen. This news coincides with the news that the sale of season tickets for next season is on target. It seems to me that the RK were banking on a huge number of ST holders not renewing their ST thus causing the Glazers a cash flow problem. With news that the clubs debt is expected to grow after the interest rate on the Glazers debt will increase in August, the question that needs to be asked is when will the owners start to reduce the clubs total debt.
The situation is getting dire. The club is owned by a family of pirates and seemingly there’s nothing that can be done to stop the ever-increasing rape and pillage. The club will get no help from the ineffectual FA. It may need the intervention of UEFA, or of FIFA to bring some pressure on the owners.
Financial experts have said the the Glazers business plan is doomed. So where does that leave the club and its fans?
One can only hope that UEFA will prevent clubs with huge debts from competing in the CL. That lack of income may force the Glazers to get out
I think its about time the FA introduced a regulation that the owners had to pass a ‘fit and proper person’ test every year otherwise the club would not be allowed to play in the EPL. Now we know that would never happen because the club owners would veto it. Pity the fact that the EPL is a democracy. If the EPL had dictatorial powers I’m sure this problem of shonky owners would be fixed immediately.
what a shit final.
If it is one signing we make, it’s likely to be a big name, but who will it be? Villa rejected Citys bid for Milner.
@RTNK
Again, it could be, but we can never be sure. Last summer I thought that the Benzema inquiry on our behalf was smokescreen, but you never know. If we keep looking at what’s going on around us, then it will be a depressing summer.
@willierednut
No surprise there. Milner’s price tag was rumored to be more than 20 mil.
All these people coming on here wanting to lash out the millions. I wonder what would have happened had we splashed the cash in 95 after losing the title to Blackburn na dthe cup to Everton. Where would Beckham Scholes the Nevilles and Butt be now. Where would United of been the following year. Have faith in the youth policy weve just won the reserve league. Most other reserve league sides field many first teamers, our youngsters thrashed them, have faith.
hang about are you serious?
You wanna call me a cunt & then suggest we meet? you sure about that?
is this the part where I tell you meet me at my family local in Moss Side?
I sincerly hope you wouldn’t be daft enough to meet with a total stranger.
and you say im the one acting the hard man?
You wanna fight?
Well go step outside your door and start calling random strangers CUNTS.
your acting like a fucking teenager Pal so sort it out & stop talking reckless.
never let anybody get you off your box like that. have more self control Pal.
Otherwise the trouble your seeking will find you, and I don’t mean me.
Im not meeting you anybloodywhere, what kind of muppet you think I am?
this isn’t complex, its simple. I didn’t say you needed my permission to post,
don’t be soft. I said LISTEN next time I tell you agree to disagree.
what was so fucking hard to understand? not gonna go over who said what
its pointless – I don’t post on ROM for all this petty bollocks and “dramatics”
this must be how Kids talk tough online, make threats, and end up dead.
but at least they have the excuse of being young, whats yours? Pride ???
So lets try this again Pal. you feel however you feel about Ando, thats fine.
I feel the same about him as Alec, I feel he is a future world class player….
you see how petty it sounds? Good. ….NOW AGREE TO DISAGREE FFS
and as for milner 20million, thats like paying 48 million for Tevez, its fucking laughable. Milner causes problems when playing teams like City, Liverpool, Stoke and Fulham come on a really decent team would have him fucking about in no mans land, and if my memory and ambitions serve me well United usually end up playing alot of good teams. Milner v Barca, Milna v Milan, oh make me fucking laugh.
@willierednut
Its easy to pick at a few players and go “Look SAF didn’t care about value back then” but those names are misileading as they also ignore the many signings of value that also went on and ignores the ‘value’ of those we did spend big money on.
Now lets get something clear when SAF says there isn’t much value he isn’t saying he is going to be cheap and isn’t willing to pay a bit over the odds. Hernadez and Smalling show this as did Valencia last year as we overpaid at the time on all 3.
Its all about knowing the worth of a player and knowing how much above that you should go for the purchase to be worthwhile and not being dragged into paying well over this max price.
@King Eric
Anderson imho has the age old issue that Strikers have (We saw Berba with it at the end of the season) where the pressure to score is so much that when he gets chances he snatches at it rather than hitting it smoothly and relaxed.
His record was also a bit better at other clubs. Getting some of that pressure off and a more consistent place in the team in a single position could see 10+ a season from him being viable
We should also remember that Ronaldo early on didn’t really show the the goal getting ability he did later on. And Lampards goal scoring record has got better as he has gone on.
@rooney the new king
Would someone like Carrick have developed as he did if we had signed him from West Ham
On Veron he would have made United better if he had settled in England. We saw glimpses of what he could do and that the game Scholes now does but didn’t at the time. At his best he could control a game with his passing that allowed him to play killer balls and spray the ball around the pitch. Its a shame he didn’t settle, tbh with the way we play now he would have probally been a massive success.
“20 million for milner and it made me wonder why didnt united sign him from newcastle and he is overrated in my view”
Again at Leeds and Newscastle he was a player with some potential but its been at villa where he has stepped up a level. I do personally agree he is a bit overated mind you
@willierednut
They weren’t serious unless they could get us the fans to destroy the club so they could pick it up cheap.
Their whole ‘offer’ hasn’t made sense since day 1 and the constant moving of the goalposts instilled no faith. Also telling two billionaires who wanted to put in a combined 1bn that they were told that they would take 20mill from each but no more. These two could have made an offer viable and one where increasing the debt significantly wasn’t on the table, instead perhaps the debt being decreased
While there are some true United fans in them who aren’t in it for the money most are money men and saw a way to use the fans to make them mass profits
@Costas
The thing with this debt story is the information contridicts itself. The increase in the interest was always said to be triggered by not paying down some of the PIK by this summer BUT now the story is its trigger by profit margins.
As the PIK’s are in the Glazers name we really don’t know the full details so who knows
The Glazers aren’t idiots though no matter how much some people want to paint them as. The PIK’s are the Glazers so we shouldn’t be worrying too much by it (Sure some of the clubs dividends that are paid to the Glazers may go towards serving this personal debt, as may the dividends from their other business’s BUT they are entitled to their dividends just like every other ‘shareholders’ of a football club or any business). If they choose to use the divdend elsewhere rather than pay the PIK down then theres a reason for it. As ‘leeching’ money from the club for personal gain and ignoreing the debts just isn’t good business sense and the Glazers are good business men
@rooney the new king
The problem with the 437 million pounds since 2005 is there isn’t any context. Sure theres some ‘losses’ that wouldn’t have happened without the takeover but theres ‘losses’ that would have been there anyway and other losses that would have existed under other ownership.
@rooney the new king
I disagree because THE CLUB HASN’T STATED THEY PUT IN AN OFFER FOR VILLA. The Mirror took a statement from Valencia and made up a story from it.
And seriously if they were trying to do propaganda they would put in an £80mill bid for Messi. This is part of the problem with the whole situation is peoples emotions let them enter conspirousy mode and things get surreal and lose all context and connection to the real world
Brilliant post bye the BrisbaneFan. clear readable and you get some links. Take a bow you surferdude, lol.
Cmon Paul, you are as funny as fuck do you want a United board to disintigrate, I love your posts mate as i do Erics both witty and knowledgeable that helps all United supporters learn and appreciate the traditions of this magnificent club through you both and many other posters.Cmon give it a rest mate.
Jaysus me being a moderator in a square go is a new one, its normally me getting ma heid kicked in!( in real life)
Its not good for the blog and childish, fighting over the tinternet for Anderson……. Hans Christain.
I have had my disagrements but as for a fight.
I wanna see you both in full flight letting us no your views on the the team and the success that lays ahead for us and our history. Not who has balls like a spacehopper and can fight anyone.
Sorry ScotThe Red, i realise its not my fight nor anyones else just thought i would be the man(18) and add stay both of you.
After all he is Brazillian!
@ paul i dont get it with you I seriously dont, you have had a shite day i think.
I will wish you well and say goodnite.
And King Eric also, in fact i saw him ages ago on this great Blog always made me smile.
Niters over and out, as I say i got a lovely young lady in the Goalkeepers home kit awaiting me in my scratcher, life dont get no better. And own goal dont stand a chance.
@Wakey
That’s why I said that money figures have been thrown around since January and no one can know for sure where the truth lies. And that’s why I am kind of staying on the fence in recent weeks. Especially when it comes to other potential buyers. I don’t particulary care who City or Chelsea buy a the moment. In my opinion though, the team will have to be restructured at some point and United have relied on their spoending power(as well as our youth system) to do that over the years.
wakey…thanks for the judge and jury replies
YES, we do need a world class striker…whether it be 442 or 451 or 999 or 0845, without rooney we looked toothless in the latter part of the season, games which cost us the title in the end, clearly berba cant be relied upon, owen is a gamble with his fitness and was always going to be bit part and kikos just a kid learning his trade.
So with rooney or coming off the bench to replace rooney if things aint going well, or if rooney is injured etc….YES we do need a world class goalscorer.
Rooney Giggsy and a few other players have said exactly the same thing in the last week.
And yes we also lack some magic sparkle in midfield…a creative midfielder who can score some goals…yes a player can do both ALA HOW SCHOLSEY DID FOR SO MANY YEARS IN HIS POMP
Don’t want to get into any arguements, but King Eric is probably one of the first people I spoke too when I came here 18 months ago and his place is here. This past couple of months have been very intense and arguements are beginning over nothing. I hope he comes back because ROM isn’t the same without him.
As for Paul Parker, I don’t have any problems with him and I think that he is right in the sense that you two should just agree to disagree and carry on conversing with other people. Thank God, there are still plenty of decent posters around here.
Willerednut..
mate that glazer article had me in tears….it fuckin pains me to death.
However gill or people on here want to mask it as much as they like…..the simple facts are they fuckin put us in tons of debt and are royally fucking our club over……something we were free from before they came.
And that is just not me saying it, but government ministers, chief economists, media experts, ex players, top company ceo’s and even our ex chairmen martin edwards and sir roy gardner…
fuckin parasite bastards
K Eric..hope you read this mate…dont mate….i came back on here for people like you, fally, stephen etc etc…even though most have gone and have been replaced by the immature young student brigade
Back in the day it was only a handful of us..a small family on rom……..always so peaceful and brilliant, a happy little family, then rom got bigger and more famous etc etc and more widely known, hence came more exposure, hence more variety of poster.
In a way its good that ROM is bigger…….but we have lost that close knit family feeling. Like a football club getting bigger to gain more exposure and revenue etc, in turn we are going to have to accept the prawn sandwich brigade.
Dont go mate…your posts never offend anyone….
@suhayl
Its always been hate the man at the top. I remember every thinking Edwards (martin) was a cunt and seemed over the moon when Michael Knighton tried it on, then we entered the stock exchange and watched as we never received money for transfers unless it went through the board first. Kenyon was a god (fuck who was wrong there i wonder – fucking duped the lot of us). Don’t forget the payments to shareholders at the end of each financial year, they mounted up to a fair old bob or two. United fans have always hated the powers that be, i try and forget it and concentrate solely on the footy. I know its ball breaking but when all is said and done we have absolutely no fucking power or control over it. Its like when your dad dies, before it happens its not something you think about (unless a long term illness is involved) but if it happens you can only deal with it when it happens. Sounds defeatest but if you concentrate too much on how something dies you never enjoy the life.
you’d better reply to my post mate…or else i’ll be offended…..please make sure you do….ive known you on here for many a year and i APPRECIATE AND RESPECT YOUR POSTS MORE THAN MOST…
PLEASE reply to mine atleast..
PROBLEMS CAN ALWAYS BE SORTED OUT…..BELIEVE ME……where do you think i was for a whole year?
get me drift
reply mate
goat…
i agree to some of what u say…but the man at the top has to take the blame…that is part of life….if you’re at the top, you are their to be shot at.
countries wrongs = PRESIDENTS PRIME MINISTERS
peados in the church = top priests or the pope
army fuck ups = generals
movies = directors
companies = ceo’s
nature of the fuckin beast
AND NO DOUBT THESE BASTARD PARASITES HAVE AND ARE FUCKING US OVER…YOU DONT NEED A PHD IN ECONOMICS TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
STUDENTS BOUGHT THE TIANEMEN UPRISING……PEOPLE BROUGHT DOWN THE BERLIN WALL……….STRUGGLE BOUGHT DOWN SLAVERY AND APARTHIED etc etc
so whats the glazers compared to that
u think we cant topple those bastards………the debt, pains and brings tears to my eyes, thats how much i love utd, i cant speak for others, but i will do my utmost with every breath i have to fight against them…..in vain or not…..
my beliefs are too strong for this forum
whos the one that gets shot at, the one strangely enough holding the gun. I wish you luck and more importantly happiness watching years more of united success under sir alex.
goat……na mate….i aint gonna get hit…lol
we’ll win this one mate
take care and goodnight mate
love and peace out to all utd fans and brothers… whether we agree or disagree
We dont need any additions.This team can win both major trophies
VDS
rafael rio vidic evra
fletcher
anderson
valencia nani
berba rooney
subs: scholes giggs hernandez wellbeck smalling o shea kuskcak
whats wrong with that team.
I’m sure David Gill can get a job at the Icelandic banks, he seems to love debt and taking big risks…..
Okay, this is not a defending glazers post but i noticed a few things.
1. A substantial part of our loss is non-cash ie Depreciation and amortisation of goodwill. Goodwill is a massive figure in our accounts which has nothing to do with United’s popularity as some of you who are not from the financial background might presume.
When the glazer’s took over, they obviously paid over the assets value in the accounts, hence, its just a balancing item being written off.
So that does not have an effect at all.
2. The glazer’s are fucking cunts. We can afford to lower the tickets prices but they are just being safe and providing for if we have a bad season.
3. In honesty, the media reports are bullcrap. If they were taking money out of United, it would have been in the Financials and notes thereof as it would constitute payments to Directors which is related to profit, so wonder who had that brainwave to write that.
4. Fergie has the money and to me it appears he will sign a few players but he ll decide the price and not the agent/club. He has been there, done that, will do what he wants, his own way.
5. Last season, we had two players left out of the ‘Magic Quartet’ and would have been held for ransom. This season, we have just lost the league on 1 point and two offside goals. We decide the terms a tad bit better. Its not that Glazers won’t give us money.
6. Glazers are here for the long term. Else, they would have accepted the bid. Our value is at its peak. Even if we win a treble for the next three years its going to grow at the normal rate. The exponential increase occurs in a gap of a decade not every year after you reach the peak.
Glaziers are c*nts. Big bloody c*nts. They are not planning to save for any disasters. They are just lining their pockets and pilling all the debt and loan pressure on the club.
Like all American Corps. when the going gets tough, they bail out or re-structure.
Basically, if Man Utd fails, you will see the team getting torn apart. The stadium will go, the training ground will go, the staff will go, the players will go. F*cked Up.
Sigh. I’d be happy if we sign Rodwell this season. I know there are definitely no WC players coming to our squad. I hope Hargo gets a miracle cure, Anderson gets brainwashed to play like a brazilian & Berba starts hammering in wonder goals. I am baffled how a truly talented player loses his touch.
Did the F*cking Glaziers cut down on our training staff and training budget for cost-keeping? I wouldn’t be surprised. After all, backroom changes are not publicised.
We don’t need Rodwell.
We need a long term replacements for Scholes, Giggs and Neville.( As in numbers terms to fill up the squad) Last season guys, there ll be tears and there ll be drama.
Why do we get so hyper?. Our movement is in the right direction but we need to believe. I have full belief, nothing will happen to United. NOTHING. Glazers go, it gets better, they don’t, its not going to be worse than a few years ago but of course not the United we want it to be.
I’m putting in a word for King Eric here for Paul Parker. If you would just look at people’s comment about Anderson with a clear and calm mind, you would find that nobody is dismissing Anderson, all that was said, was that he has alot to prove, and rightly so. I feel you have over reacted.
Jesus whats happened on here last night?
King Eric – Hope you have not left for good mate that would be a crying shame! Your one of the few posters I can talk sense with.
To king eric
I dont post regularly but i am a regular visitor of this blog.I am following this blog for more than one year and have to say scott is a genious,i just love his thought and analysis and his love for our team.I almost read every post written by all of you guys.And i love the comments writen by ghtt,costas,king eric,aig,giles oakley and many more.So i request to you to please come back and post regularly.We need knowledgeable fans.PLs comeback.
North Stand, Fred,Red Manc, Failsworrth, Red Manc and King Eric
DRopping like flies because people think people run this blog so they act like the big dig against them. whats next Redscot has left before Costas and myself have gone. whats next Giles Oakley .
this is scotts blog with scotts views and everyone else are just visitors but some visitors are respected by other and some get on them just because. like other fans calling the red nev a twat.
King Eric Does not rate Modric thinks he’s over rated and doesnt want him anywhere near United, I think thats bollox and would love to see the guy at United. Doesnt mean I just give up on Neil and discount everything he said. Fred is a guy That I either mostly disagree with but then end up learning from because he makes valid points. he has only just left. There are (dont mention the war) Berbatov haters on this blog that I love reading there posts when they are talking about other things. there are berbatov supporters that get on my tit and piss me off. thats the great thing that makes a football fan. BUt I hope some people return. . .
as for on topic David Gill doesn’t see a problem with us not buying too many big players
“Hernandez and Smalling are signings we’ve already made and the other point to bear in mind is that the Premier League is bringing in squad limits next year of 25, which we clearly operate in European competitions but is now coming to the Premier League. There will be unlimited under-21s and other rules and we’ll be taking all that into consideration.”
United plan for the future which is fantastic but the present is here and the debt is widing. Gill said that the bonds(which help our owners not our clubs debt) will help the intrest rate stay steddy over the next 7 years . 7 FUCKING YEARS. and we are ment to be happy with that . let me take you back 7 years . The super super super leeds went from 5th in the table and a season out from champions league semi final to just above the religation zone 7 year ago and with there debt that kept growing and the fact that they had to sell big players to help balance the books till today when they are happier to get into the championship then they ever were to get in to the champions league semis.
today we are the richest club in the world the only sports team worth a billion so a sale needs to be done while there are buyers. while its worth the glazers time listening. they turned down a bid of 1.5 billion by a japanese business man which could clear a there debt and sort out the club i love. but they dont and the longer Gill stands by and defends them the more he losses dignity in my eyes. he may hate the glazers but te longer he gets out and speaks like everything is hunkydory then its like me wearing a Team Terry T-Shirt with pride
suhayl- “even though most have gone and have been replaced by the immature young student brigade”
Was that a shot at me? Just kidding mate.
King Eric- Mate don’t quit the blog.
Suhayl, gotta hate, boogeyman, giggs11, goatinaunitedshirt, kel, Marq, bigphil and all the others . Thanks for the words and I won’t be going anywhere . I miss the people like you lot too much.
Paul – I agree to diagree. Ok?
Scott – Cheers for removing my number. It was a bit rash of me. It was my actual number. Probably get some freak calling me!!
Lol no worries. Check your e-mail mate.
Scott – Will do mate.
Oh my god I forgot Costas. One of my favourites on here. The most level headed man I have had the pleasure of blogging with.
Love ya Neil
To King Eric
Just been reading – glad your back – you’ve just saved me the mother of all explosions : )
To us all
At the end – we are all here for the same purpose – we will agree – disagree – but it’s just an individual opinion that we can share with one another for the purpose of connecting with our team – nothing more.
When it becomes personal – it doesn’t help none of us
It is ridiculous that certain words are said – there is no need for anything to be of that level – and for anyone to feel that they have to walk away.
It is both sad and infuriating that at times common sense just does not prevail here – it’s been a blast for myself in that I have connected with great bloggers – and they know who they are – we are all passionate for our club and we have all tried to support one another – and that is the best thing about being here – and that is how it should be
No matter what happens – this club will never die
The London press do a great job of telling us otherwise – the Glazer’s might be making a lot of money but are letting it out like nothing – the Red Knights have done a good job to pick up supporters but now might be quietly walking away
So what? – we are all here still supporting United – we are the ones that can make the difference – and again if it comes down to it – there are people out there that will always buy United – the Glazer’s are just stubborn beyond belief and it’s bite the bullet time and see where we get to in years to come.
But all that becomes irrelevant when you have the best manager in the world – and most of us are right behind him – and as long as he is there nothing else matters
I could carry on – This shirt is a symbol of defiance – sometimes we lose sight of that defiance and choose to believe others
Wake up and stick together
@King Eric
I don’t usually call you that, but thanks Neil. Likewise. Good to have you back.
Scared me a bit with your outburst! It must have been building up for months. And kudos to Scott for showcasing VDS like reflexes and removing your number!
ahhhhhhhhhh……………………sunny day and all is well on rom again…..i love the soap opera that is rom.
great to hear and see that things have been clarified and been put to bed
great to see KING ERIC is back
boogeyman…..c’mon mate, do you have to ask??? you’re a top mate of mine, never would i hurl or disrespect you, never mate…you along with a few others are like brothers to me…so remember, next time i have a shot at the student brigade, you are immune from that.
and by way K Eric…i took ur number down and now im going to bombard you with weird texts…ha ha..lol
suhayl- It’s all one big family here on RoM.
Fook me, it’s a bit brokeback moutain on here today lol. Lets knock all i’ll meet you, at such and such on the head for fooksake. Any – one disagrees with me, i’ll meet them at, only joking lol.
Come on willierednut! I thought we stopped being homophobic ever since Neville planted one on Scholes. Feel the love in here.
Costas – ha ha ha
Suhayl and Costas – Cheers lads. Yeah must admit it was rather silly of me to put down my actual phone number, I was just furious at the time.
Willirednut – Are you calling my wife a slag? I will meet you in August!!!! Only messing mate. Good that we all get on like this, have arguments but always make up. Bit fruity I know but we are a family of sorts on here.
MG – Thanks mate. Wise words as usual from your goodself.
Costa- Haha good one mate.
@King Eric & Costas.
Im glad your homophobic views are relaxed Costas and King Eric, I’ve got your number. What are you wearing lol, up for a bit of a chat later after hours.
@suhayl
So you think that spending £30mill+ on a world class striker to sit on the Bench next to Berbatov for 90% of the season is worth it just incase Rooney gets injured
And that’s what would have to happen because the player would have to be one with Rooneys qualities rather than someone to compliment him otherwise when it comes to the situation you have described we end up with the Berba situation of a striker who can’t play in the 4-5-1 formation that’s preferred.
If SAF didn’t seemingly prefer the 1 up formation then yes another World Class striker is needed BUT he doesn’t and another world class striker simply doesn’t improve the squad, if anything it weakens it because you give both Owen and Berba confidence knocks (If both had a problem last season it was they snatched at chances as they were too eager to prove their worth and to ensure they stayed in the team) and it also kills off any chance of Kiko, Diouf, Hernandez and Welbeck (and the generation below them) developing because they will get nothing but the generally weak reserve league outings
When the players say Rooney needs more help with the goals they are right but that doesn’t mean you need another striker. Having half the strikers in the world on their books hasn’t exactly helped City has it. We need the right player for the setup rather than overloading in an area and that right player is the guy between Rooney and the Centre Mids
“However gill or people on here want to mask it as much as they like…..the simple facts are they fuckin put us in tons of debt and are royally fucking our club over”
The problem is the simple facts aren’t as simple as many United Fans, United Bloggers, MUST and the media like to make out. Look at the £400mill wasted figure, they lack context both to the plc and to other clubs.
After their initital bullshit about wanting to do a Barca style ownership the Red Knights started holding Lerner at Villa as the perfect example BUT what people don’t often realise about Lerners buyout of Villa is the cost of the buyout and wiping out the debts came to nearly 100mill. This 100mill is secured against the club in the form of Preferential shares which pay a set dividend every year. If the clubs sold these preferential shares would still need bought out on top. Villas debts have now risen back to the same kind of level they were before they were wiped out. Chelsea and Citys debt reduction was done in the same way.
These clubs though aren’t the easy targets so they are ignored when they would add context.
The figures look bad and there are some things to be concerned with BUT figures on their own don’t tell the whole story as there is no context to them. As andersred has amended for example but MUST haven’t there are accounting write off in that, write offs that actually make savings such as £86mill of corporation tax and there are fees that the PLC paid anyway so its hardly a loss.
@Firestarter
The Glazers could maybe afford to lower ticket prices but the simple fact is they really aren’t overpriced. There is only so much uproar over them due to the rate of the rise that was needed to bring them inline with the market.
At the end of the day the people at fault really for the steep rise are the PLC and the board at the time who were quite frankly so up their own arses that they were shortsighted. Match day revenues are English footballs main income stream and they just sat back and assumed it was tied up so why keep ticket prices in line with the going rate (And also liked boasting about the ridicoulous waiting lists). They then got caught out by Abramovich getting the one up on them and suddenly meaning we couldn’t gazzump any offer. We now have City with money as well not to mention Barca and Real getting TV deals that you can’t get in England. The PLC should have been kept ticket prices more in line with the market. The PLC would have had to have increased them at a steep increase too and anyone taking over was always going to bring them inline with Liverpool.
@PissedOffRed
Its easy to believe this but lets for a minute take emotions out of the equation and you are now Glazer. At this moment you have spent over 100mill of your own money getting to 30% (we don’t know the exact amount as we don’t know what he paid for the first 30% but the remaining 70% costs 800mill). As part of the buyout not only did you spend some more money yourself BUT also have a PIK loan in your personal name for around £200mill.
You have also at this point yet to take a single penny in Dividends. The only drawings that have been made are management fees which in the grand scheme are tiny.
Now if things go tits up the club will lose value and it will be unable to pay you any future dividends. That will almost certainly take down the rest of your business empire with it.
Now no matter what we feel about the Glazers personally we have to realise they aren’t idiots and they didn’t buy the club because they were fans like they did the Buccs. They bought it as a business and that means they either need to increase the value significantly so much that they can sell up for massive profits OR they need to take it as a business to the next level. Both things are controlled to a degree by achieving a certain level on the pitch.
It is easy to label them as clueless idiots and to blame them for everything under the sun BUT then peoples views become pointless hysteria and ultimatly worthless. Yes there are issues with them but blowing things out of proportion, using facts/figures without context and blaming them for anything (Yesterday one blog decided to bring up the Sacked steward thing again, despite the fact that the flag was confiscated for being bigger than is allowed and while the steward claimed to be returning the Flag he hadn’t. He took it without permission and took it to his car which in any company is considered theft and is an instant dismissal. Why blame the Glazers for a Steward stealing a confiscated item which he knew were against his terms of employment). All it does is undermine every valid point anyone makes about the Glazers ownership
@Gotta hate tiny tears
Fred going is a good thing. Here we have a twat who spouts so much bullshit and insults around but then throws his toys out the pram. And not once does he ever try and debate anything. While many of the others who have quit were an asset he wasn’t and I for one am glad he is gone
“The super super super leeds went from 5th in the table and a season out from champions league semi final to just above the religation zone 7 year ago and with there debt that kept growing and the fact that they had to sell big players to help balance the books till today when they are happier to get into the championship then they ever were to get in to the champions league semis.”
Comparing us to Leeds isn’t really fair. The problem with Leeds is they were paying silly money without the infrastructure to support it. We have the infrastuture to support it.
“turned down a bid of 1.5 billion by a japanese business man which could clear a there debt and sort out the club i love”
Do you seriously think anyone buying th3 club would actually remove the debt? They may ‘restructure it’ perhaps in the way that Lerner and Abramovich has but the same outgoings would almost certainly be there, probally higher. People with money, be it 1million or 10 billion have money because they know how to make money not by effectivly giving money away. Its where we need to be careful when we start wishing for x, y or z to buy the club because we feel it makes it filnancialy stronger because while on paper it may look better the chances of that being the case under the surface are unlikely
@King Eric
I know its pedantic but you aren’t blogging. Scott blogs you aren’t. You are commenting
Wakey….i havent got time to go through all your posts…but yes we need a striker who can score goals….i didnt say he has t cost alot or 30 mill as you say…someone that can just hit the barn door unlike berba….a huntelaar eg would do the job…maybe not in the top bracket of worls players, but a player who can score some goals….we deffo lack that. Along with that goal busting midfielder with a bit of sparkle.
Hard to get i know……but we lack it.
Youngsters????? lets be honest here, i go to and watch many many academy and reserve games….these youngters are raw, they dont look anywhere near 1st team level bar kiko. These youngsters are off the same conveyor belt that the golden gen of scholsey, giggsy, becks, butty, nevs popped out from. The sad facts are in the last 10 years we have loaned out or sold 99% of ‘ the so called potential “.
SAF knows this, that the youth isnt stepping up to that level and i say if your good enough, you’ll make yourself heard as did the golden en, as did wazza at everton etc etc etc.
The reason they get loaned out or sold eg welbecks….possebon, tosic, cleverly, drinkwater, richardson, bardsley, shawcross, zieler, etc etc etc…is because they aint good enough. The list is sooooooooo huge it is deafeaning.
In todays game you cant have time to wait around…the world is a fast moving place and so i s football….success is wanted yesterday, the competition moves quickly, you cant stand still and wait…you do that and you’re doomed..SAF even says that numerous times…..hence you have to buy and buy well. And we need those 2 players in my opinion
By way this is my opinion…alot of people dont agree with me..some do, alot may not. Some have a falling out etc etc. But ive notice something with your posts…have you taken a step back and notice that you’re being slightly pedantic, judgemental and condescending.
I mean i dont agree with alot of what people post and sometimes you raise an objection or a debate….fair enough its all about discussion and debate with fellow reds. but ive notice theres something of a school teacher headmaster about you…how you indirectly belittle people on here…you may not mean it…..but believe me you do it. I mean ok, you disgree with odd posts. But you seem to nitpick and go through post after post with a fine toothcomb and reply and “correct’ then all’
Surely everybody…cant be corrected or ‘wrong’.
People post their opinions the best way they can…not everybody on here has a phd in economics….so what fred rants…so what some arent articulate…no need to dissect all their posts…and you do that pal…..ive notice from a far, how you reply to post after post singeling things out.
Esp when it comes to the glazer debates…im not one for conspiracy theories….but you have appeared and have been quite vocal since the glazer shit started.
Like i said i aint perfect…fucks sake, some people hate me on here, i can rant and let expletives off etc etc etc….
But im just summing up my opinion on your posts…….like i said im all up gfor debate….and agreeing disagreeing…….but i dont think you notice that to quite a few on here you seem very headmaster type, pedantic and condescending……quite a few have said it.
I appreciate your posts and give you credit for the stuff you know esp the glazers etc….but remember not everybody can be incorrect or wrong….and thats the way you come across at times….indirectly as it may be.
By way..on the glazers…forget all the technical jargon…are they good or bad for our club/ were they good or bad for our club???
Just one word answer please….good or bad?…..no beating round the stats bush
I dont want to have an argument with you, hence put this the best way i could….just my honest opinion pal. Like i said i have many failings and man people point those out and have a go at me too. Just some constructive criticism. You seem a very intelligent guy, hence i hope you take what i say on board. If you dont, then fair enough. Just my honest insight
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Wakey … I read your posts and think I wrote them !!!
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