Anyone else struggling to get out of bed this morning?
October 20th 1996
Newcastle United 5 – 0 Manchester United
It was United’s worst defeat since October 1984 when they lost 5-0 at Everton. Alex Ferguson said it was the worst scoreline of his 22-year managerial career. History was being rewritten, chapter by chapter: the flood of goals were the first United had conceded in nine hours and nine minutes. It was 999 time.
The stats marched all over United. Newcastle’s seventh successive Premiership victory, their first League success over United in nine years, propelled Kevin Keegan’s rampant side back to the top of the table.
But anyone who knows the champions and their manager will appreciate that they will swiftly be back.
Manager reaction: “When you lose 5-0, you take your medicine and go home. We can take it, we’ll be OK. We could have scored five goals ourselves, it was an unusual game, the biggest defeat of my career as a manager; but, I’ll put it down as a blip, we’ll go on from here.”
Six days later we got thrashed 6-3 by Southampton although fortunately a defeat at the hands of Leicester for Newcastle ensured we kept within three points of them. However, another defeat the following week, losing 2-1 at home to Chelsea, took us six points behind.
By the end of the season, we finished eight points clear.
Football is different these days and it’s hard to imagine a team losing three games on the trot going on to claim the title, however, this should give us a touch of perspective. Waking up yesterday morning felt like shit, going in to work this morning felt like shit, but once the euphoria over Liverpool’s result settles, it leaves us four points clear at the top with a game in hand. Christ, Liverpool aren’t even the team below us in the table, thanks to City’s result at Stamford Bridge.
You have shit days in football and you have great days. As United fans, we’ve had more than our fair share of great days and it’s easy to take that for granted. My desperation for us to get a result this season doesn’t compare with my desperation in the 06-07 season. That doesn’t mean I care less or I’m not as bothered, rather I’ve adjusted to being spoilt, just as I did in the 90′s. As well as being a wake up call for the players, the result was a wake up for the fans.
There are fans who sit a few rows in front of me at Old Trafford who like the idea of being a ‘top red’. Carrick is a wanker and Berbatov is a lazy twat, apparently. They are vocal with their opinions because they are pissed when they arrive, ten minutes late. They’re even more vocal in the second half after returning to their seats five minutes after kick-off so they could finish their pints. Then they get home before the rest of us because they leave five or ten minutes early, depending on the score. Top reds.
When Liverpool’s third went in they jumped to their feet and they were off. “Fuck this!” How easy it would be to ‘support’ a team in such a way. Jumping for joy in May but fucking off every time your team don’t get the result you want. Their exit stirred similar emotions in those sitting around me, “fuck off then! Don’t bother coming back!” and the like being hurled in their direction as they skipped down the steps.
By the time the final whistle went, there were far more empty red seats than there were those filled with dejected fans. Maybe the thought of hearing those bastards cheering at the final whistle was too much for them or maybe they wanted a good seat at the bar or maybe they were starving after missing lunch to get to the game. But those who did stay, sharing in the humiliation and disappointment, felt the satisfaction of being there. “We love United, we do!” was chanted, before “Champions of England! Champions of Europe!”. Don’t get too down lads, we’ve got a title to win here!
When you compare this with Liverpool’s 0-0 at home to West Ham, which also cleared large areas of their ground, they BOOED their team off. Can you believe it? Top of the fucking table and they’re booing. It’s disgusting. They think they’re the best fans in the country and they BOO their own team for a draw when they’re top of the league.
So, for those of you who stuck around, good on you. Those who left with twenty minutes to go, why did you bother coming? It’s time to get a grip because we want this title, we are more than capable of winning it, and walking out whenever it gets tough won’t cut it. I imagine none of the players wanted to show up at training this morning, knowing Ferguson was going to tear another strip off them, but they have to grit their teeth and get on with it, and as fans, we have to do the same.
Beating us at home and away will be the highlight of Liverpool’s season. We have bigger fish to fry than that.
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I think your last paragraph pretty much sums it up, Scott.
Not a nice result at all, but we’ve got bigger things to worry about. This was Liverpool’s cup final and they played better and won.
I’m pretty sure that SAF will have the boys whipped up to shape in no time and we should be see a reaction pretty soon.
Well said!
Scott,
Glory hunters. its days like saturday when you realise how much there are at our club.
Too many supporters as well support individual players and not the club. they will attack one player to defend another. why? why not just get behind them all? I am not saying people have to love them all or even like them all but its like people hope that they fail just so that their favourites don’t get any stick. Its odd and its not something you see at other clubs
yesterday was a terrible performance but the positive was that it showed the true colours of some supporters. our players have given us so much this season and after one bad performance we repay them by ‘fuck this’
I am lucky enough to have a season ticket and in all my years of having one, I have never left a match a minute early. It reminded me of chelsea in 2005 when we lost 3-1 at home. our last home game of the season when SAF wanted to talk to the crowd like he always does and half of them stormed out. Disgusting
In one match this season (I think it was against Wigan). Tevez missed a sitter. ‘fucking cunt’, ‘and he wants to be signed’ ‘piss off tevez’, the people in front of me said. and its not the first time, they pretty much abuse every player. one day I had enough and I asked them why. ‘well, wouldn’t you say what you thought to your mates if you were at home’ they replied. unbelievable.
How can these be Liverpool’s cup final? A Man U mate of mine told me We ll lose to Madrid and that is the end of our season. Madrid was meant to be our cup final, it is beyond me that the Man U game was…
Amazing !!!!
It’ll definitely be one of the highlights of our season but we’re still in the CL.
It was a great result for Liverpool considering the opposition.But they are still in the Ch.League with as big a chance as we are.But you are right Scott.I also think that we have suffered worst defeats at home than this.3-0 to York anyone?3-1 to Fulham?And we were with 11 men in both instances.If the team had been underfperforming for the last weeks i would have agreed with those fans Scott.But this team has done wonders ever going to Japan and a blip like that was on the cards.
In the grand scheme of things this result will only mean something if Liverpool come back and win the league as per Arsenal all that time ago.
United made mistakes and Liverpool took full advantage. But not only that. As hard as it is to say we were beaten by a better team on the day. Simple as that. We just didn’t want it or weren’t up for it or whatever.
Ronnie lost the ball too much, Carrick didn’t complete enough passes, and Vidic had a shocker. But these guys have single handedly won us games previosuly so nobody can complain too much.
We are still 4 points clear with a game in hand. If we go beat 10-1 at full time I couldn’t care less if we won the league at the end of the season. Also we were due a bad game and I’d rather it was in the league where we can afford to lose than it be in the cups where we can’t.
It’s not all that bad. If you offered me United would be 4 points clear with a game in hand today I would have bit your hand off!
We are very lucky that days like this come along once a decade…though I hated coming in to work today – greeted by a Liverpool fan grinning like the cheshire cat- I mean I’ve literally never seen the guy that happy….disgusting!
hopefully the lads pick themselves up after this….the thing that worries me is that we’ll be without Vidic for 3 games
2 games actually
Also I hope we don’t meet an of the English teams in the Champions League as our record against the top 4 this season is terrible.
To win the league we don’t necessarily need to beat the other 3. We just need to beat everyone else. But the cup it’s a different story!
RE: Neil
Let them have their moment in the sun, at the end of the day they’re still scouse.
I’m quite lucky down here in Devon, living in Liverpool-on-Sea. The scousers spanked all their social on Saturday, so today has been very quiet.
Don’t worry too much about Vidic, we have Johnny Evans.
Remember, as hard as the deafeat is to swallow, it means they will probably be stuck with the waiter.
K.R.A.P. ….. Keep Rafa At Pool!
let them have there day in the sun…..
whats the only ship never to have docked in liverpool???
the premiership!!!
in all fairness it was a spanking and i hope they watched tHat match several times again
Liverpool vs. Man U in the CL… I ll take my chances… Dont worry lads the EPL is yours… Like AlphaRS said, you dont need to beat the top 3 to win the league, just molest Wigan, Hull, fulham and Stoke and you ll win. .CL is different you have to beat great sides to win it,
Spencer: great post and I totally agree with you because we’re really blessed this season!
Utd4Life! especially after games like this!! And I’m sure SAF made clear what the boys have to do now and they all know. I’m Swiss and watched the game in a english pub that was stuffed with Utd Supporters, only a few Liverpool supporters.. And also in Switzerland, some guys just think they’re the greatest fans just because they wear the newest shirt. And after Saturdays game? They all left with the final whistle after talking shit about our team. I shit on these kind of supporters, they’re not honest and do not have any idea what its all about.
I’m sure we can win the PL, because we have the best team, the attitude and the passion to do it.
Once a RED always a RED!
Jon you mention these teams that we molest.Why didn’t your team beat them?They can’t be tougher than Real right?The FACT as Rafa would say,is that when you can’t beat Hull and Stoke at home you lose the right to say that United are taking the title because of their money.
Oh Scott, I wanted to call the sick this morning. I did not want to come to work at all. When I finally arrived, every body as expected was waitin for me to get the piss off me. I told them exactly what u said above.
The little sleep I got just turned out to be a nightmare as I dreamt a goal less draw at Fullham. I jumped off the bed screamin and my parents rushed into my room asking what the problem is. But fuck the dream!!!
I am completely down since Saturday.
Really Jon? Great sides? Madrid weren’t a ‘great side’ on Tuesday, Fulham could’ve beaten them. I hope we get you in the next round. Then we’ll show you what a great side really is. You can’t be the best team in Europe if you’re not the best team in your country. Liverpool haven’t been the best team in Europe for over 20 years, United have been twice since then. Don’t forget who won it first so crappy little teams like Liverpool could get in in the first place!
I’d honestly rather face the English teams at this stage in the CL, and leave Barca for later
Nice post Scott. Agreed.
U Ni Ted! Bring on Fulham
Quite frankly Neil i am sick at the sight of them.I am pretty certain that UEFA will have at least one English couple drawn together,just hope it’s Chelsea and Liverpool and both scums beat the hell out of each other.If we are going to draw an English side,i hope Fergie has learnd his lessons this season.
United religion
Being united fan or not
you can be half barça half Milan
not Half United
You know what…..
that pleased me A LOT hearing “champions of England Champions of Europe”
Extacy….proud….even scoreboard was 4-1
@Costa,
We couldn’t break them down cos we didnt have the luxury of having 18 Million pounds players on the bench… I dont think we have as much depth as needed in our squad, our 1st eleven can match most teams.. but injury to a Torres, Gerrard, the new Makalele (Masherano), Alonso and we ll struggle.
Man U have 2 first teams.. just like Chelsea did in the 04/05 season, this cost money… that why
Jon your arguments are all the same, all you talk about is how much money other sides have spend, give it a rest.
“Liam Said,
March 16th, 2009 @13:36
Really Jon? Great sides? Madrid weren’t a ‘great side’ on Tuesday, Fulham could’ve beaten them. I hope we get you in the next round. Then we’ll show you what a great side really is.”
Right. Like on saturday?
United are fecking 7th in uefas european rankings. 7th
at stepten.. IT IS A FACHT, MR FERGUSEN SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. LMAO
@owensleftfoot that has nothing to do with the current teams.It’s the last 5 years that count.United have had a disastrous European campaign in 05-06 that has cost them to be 6th in the European ranking.But if you prefer that instead of acknowledging the fact that we are the current European and World champions have it your way.
Is that all our success is about then?, as I have siad before we have been forced to over spend and if any other club had gone in for any the players I have mentioned the price would be somewhat different.
OwensLeftFoot – would you rather first in UEFA’s ranking or European Champions? I couldn’t give a shit less where UEFA rank us… because the trophy is in our cabinet. What’s in yours? Despite what some might think, given the reaction from Liverpool’s fans to the result, getting a win at Old Trafford doesn’t win you a trophy.
I sat through the whole game with shitty Gooners and Dippers taking shots at me.
It was bad after the third goal,but it got me thinking, why does everyone want a piece of us?
its because we are the Champions. It may not have been a Champion’s performance from us, but I was proud that there is some good in this. Its more of a wake up call than i shocker. I rather we lose to Dippers in the EPL with 4 point safe than to lose in the CL or FA cup.
Scott, United doesn’t love to lose any games, but I’d rather this loss and a wake up call.
Top of the League and that’s a FACT!
Jon, it is a fact, the waiter has spent more that Fergie since he’s been at Liverpool nearly £190 million on sixty players. What have you had in return? a lucky Champions league win, and a lucky FA Cup win, both on penalties.
Check the facts:
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/
@ Liam, well could have, should have are all speculative, you claimed Fulham could have beaten Madrid, well guess what? they didn’t. Livepool spanked Madrid.
Just give credit where credit is due, we have beaten Chelsea, Madrid and Man U 2 times this season, hmmm do they only have bad days when they play Liverpool??
That is funny. Instead of singing about mistakes, u ought to understand that these mistake were forced on the likes of Vidic and Pepe cos Torres put a lot of pressure on both players and forced the mistake, so it is not that Man U/Madrid had a bad day it was just a function of a a manager with a tactical mind.
@ knightsmith
Net spent of Rafa over 5 yrs are broken down on http://www.lfchistory.net/transfers.asp
Net is 100m over 5 season. also remember Rio cost more than (Reina, Hyypia, Carra, Aurellio, Albeola, Srytel and Agger) FACT !!!
The same mind that dropped points at home to West Ham, City, Wigan away, Stoke home and away, Hull at home, Fulham at home mmm genius
189M – 108M over 5 seasons.. you can see the price paid for EACH and every player…
Can you supply me with the same for Man U?? NOT. you just want to argue blindly.
everyone should stop being so anal about selling everyone one of our players , it was our first defeat since arsenal away so what if it was vs liverpool , trust me if we win the league it will hurt them more than us , we will be equaling their 18th league title and the thought of beating us twice is just a very tiny black dot in history.
Jon:
Rio has been at United for seven years, I don’t think we’ve had a bad return on him do you, and who the fuck would want Reina, Hyypia, Carra, Aurellio, Albeola, Srytel and Agger, that is why you win sod all.
Apart from Torres, the waiter buys shite.
You always go on about money you scousers, it was a different story when you were being bankrolled by Littlewoods (the Moores family) didn’t hear you whinning then did we.
Jon I’d rather buy the league than not win it for 18 years and counting.
If you wanna hold the moral highground then you’re welcome to your opinion.
United are top of the league by 4 points and a game in hand. They have a great chance of winning the Champions League and FA Cup too.
Liverpool were a better team on Saturday and you have some very good players. Torres, Gerrard, and Carragher are world class.
Please extend the same honesty when referring to United.
Gentlemen, Jon is just a deluded child. The other Dippers won’t play with him because he smells.
Manu will win the league because they have been the most consistent and they deserve to. I reckon we have a good chance of winning the cl because on our day we can beat anyone. I would have been pissed off if we had got stuffed 4-1 at anfield but I’d have had a bit more grace about it. Its funny that when we beat barca, real, juventus, inter et al its all because they played shit. When you mancs beat good teams its because you didnt let them play. Well guess what. A large part of the reason why your players had a shit game last sat was because they werent allowed to play.
Alpha: “I hope we don’t meet an of the English teams in the Champions League as our record against the top 4 this season is terrible.”
So what ? To be the best, you need to – and should – beat the best. Don’t be a wuss !
Saturday was a strange game – L’poo took their chances very well; UTD dominated possession/territory and didn’t do fuck-all with it.
Torres’ goal was “wind-assisted” but so what ? the conditions were the same for him/Vidic and he got the better of them. Fair dues. It happens.
Better to have lost this game, this way than to have seen Inter scrape past us on Wednesday on that shitty away-goals rule.
UTD are still four points ahead with a game in hand. Barring a major meltdown, that’s still HUGE.
Subjective.. You said you ll rather buy the league than not win in 18 yrs.., Well I ll rather be a poor man with dignity than be a bank robber… It is all about opinions, I am not knocking Man U for buying the league, all i am doing is stating what it is.
Chelsea bought it before, even Blackburn bought it once,
@ Colbert, Self deceit is a disease worse than cancer, If you think you havent bought the league, simply send the value of your first 20 players and lets compare to other teams…
Owensleftfoot. You beat these teams because you scored more goals than them. Whether you played well or they played shit. Goals win games.
I’d rather United won 1-0 and played shit thank play attractive football and lose 1-0. United have been playing winning football for years.
Liverpool played winning football when they won the Champions League and so did United. Who cares how the players played?!
Jon I don’t understand your arguement. The stats show Liverpool have spent near enough the same as United every season on average.
You scousers go on about against the big teams in England who you have beaten
.V. Chelsea – Chelsea player sent off tr Anfield
.V. Arsenal – Arsenal player sent off at the Emirates
.V. United – United player sent off in both matches
See a pattern developing? This is not sour grapes you deserved to win both matches against us, but youu seem to have firgitten the Boro result very quickly and conveniently.
P.S. How’s life looking in third place in the league?
Jon, using the Internet must be too hard for you so let me explain. If you go on the Transfer League website using the link posted for you – you will see a season by season spending summary for both Liverpool and United. Click on the green links on the left.
AlphaRS. Most of United players are world class.
We have seen a very important stat. Fergie vs. Mourinho. 1-1-12 in the EPL.
Once Man U bought better players and Mourinho had a not so great team. what happened?
Fergie vs Jose = 1-1-0
Money is KEY. Give Morinho another blank cheque and he ll be able to outsmart Fergie again.
Jon, Scousers don’t have dignity. They steal tickets from their own fans. In defeat and victory, you will always lack class.
Jon;
A scouser with dignity, priceless!
Also you keep on about money, answer the John Moores (Littlewoods) funding you had all those years. Using your theory, you bought the league a few times then didn’t you. or was that different
Jon the season we won the league we only brought Michael Carrick.
Jon, are you a bit slow reading simple data or something? You seem to have gone all quiet since I told you how to do a comparison between Liverpool and United’s net spending since Rafa took over.
Jesus, it’s like making an unwilling child eat his lunch. No matter how hard you try, they refuse to eat and throw the food everywhere.
Jon:
If money is the key the waiter has done well with the £190 million he’s spent hasn’t he? One excellent striker and that’s it. It’s no wonder his missus won’t let him do the shopping at Morrisons.
I know that just Carrick but you have been buying before, and you manager has been there for ages… Rafa inherit a crappy team and had to rebuild with a small an average of 20M person. Ofcourse Rafa bought a lot of duds that is expected he was a new manager in the EPL.
Just remember from 1986 – 91 or so.. Fergie won ZIP. and he only got to the CL final after 13 yrs on the job.
Rafa has done better !!!!
Colbert
Don’t expect miracles, he’s only a scouser, try typing a bit slower!
Jon
You keep thinking that about Benitez, the rest of the Premiership want you to keep him as well. Why do you think that is.
When it comes to CL/European cup finals, you waited a lot longer than us before you won it, (and three times on penalties).
One very good win against us doesn’t paper over the cracks, Liverpool are in decline, don’t take my word for it, ask any neautrel
LOL. 190M spent by Rafa? so he was given 190M to buy players.. that is new to me.. i thot he had to sell some to buy…
anyway I am not going to argue that again, spent a long time doing that last week. I ll suggest you go to boarders and buy a accounting 101 for dummies..
You might realised the defination of NET spend.
You don’t declare profit unless you service ur debt.
A very simple example, you are a fruit seller in the market, u spent 100 pounds on your produce, and a rent of 10 pound, (cost is 110) you were able to sell ur produce for 150 pounds.. what are is your net worth? 150 pounds? if you think you are worht 150 pounds, then I want to meet ppl like you.. I can make money off your stupidity
Jon,
You spent £20 million on Keane and then sold him back after a short while ai a fair old loss. So you can’t be that short of money if you can afford to waste it like that.
knightsmith
less than what you lost on Veronica, when you thot you bought Veron… LMAO
jon
You are the stupid one, can you not read the tables or understand them on that transfer site? get a grown up to explain it to you.
And a scouser calling other people stupid, another priceless one. If you were that clever you might be able to find a job between you.
£40. Get in there!
Jon,
have a read, it’s not up to date, but it shows what a useless bastard the waiter is:
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a7885_rafa-benitez-spent-force-liverpool-after-blowing
When it comes to CL/European cup finals, you waited a lot longer than us before you won it, (and three times on penalties).
doesn’t matter, the rule of the game is whichever team scores more wins the game, the last time i checked, other teams took penalties as well.. we just scored more, dont hate, appreciate..
Liverpool on a decline? Ofcourse, we haven’t won the league in 18 yrs FACTH.
But guess what a bad Liverpool still trashed ur sorry asses 4-1, Madrid 4-0, beaten Chelsea, Barca, Inter, AC, I wonder what we ll be like on our way to the top.
You ll probably commit suicide… really we should be irrelevant to Man U, but we are very relevant, a lot of your players have said this is the fixture they look forward too.. How can a man look forward to something on a decline?
Pathetic doesn’t it now….
spurs bought robbie keane twice and still made 2million on him from the price liverpool paid for 6 months
thats fuckin mental
Just needed to let you know: Not only Vida’s card won’t be rescinded, but he will be suspended for TWO matches… Now, shouldn’t the FA at least try to look unbiased?
I could make money teaching you English Jon
Jon,
You dipper twat, it is so easy. i mentioned Veron knowing you would fall into the trap. I’ll agree, not one of our best signings, but are you talking about the Veron who has won more EPL championship medals than the whole of the Liverpool squad put together? Surely not!
jon – fuck off and collect your giro you cunt. You’ve had your moment, now fuck off and post shit on your own website, having an orgasm whilst talking about the result with your other scouse cunt mates. 4-1 and still 3rd in the table.
people must have had, United fans especially, the worst week of their lives.
They might have been dumped by their girls, they might have screwd up in front of an open goal, they might have flunked in their examinations, but at the end of the a good read like this can really cheer you up.
@Jake not sumthing to be proud off, English is not my mother tongue, I learnt to speak the language, you are born to speak it, so you should be able to make money teaching me English, but i doubt it,
@ King, If i tried to match your stupidity, you ll beat me with experience, never try to argue with a fool, they ll always beat you with experience,
Last time I checked, the blog is on the world wide web, which means anyone has access to it as long as you subscribe to the internet.
@owensleftfoot Is it a fact or not that you beat Chelsea and United when 3 out of 4 times they were a man down?If i would have won at Anfield having being gifted the goals that you were,i would have thanked my lucky stars.Guys face it.If beating Madrid and United consecutively was enough to make you United’s equals then i don’t know why are having the league for.Let’s just hand you the trophy over.
Veron has a EPL medal good for him,
Traore also has a Champion league medal and Thierry Henry doesn’t, does that make Traore a better player? I know common sense is the most difficult sense to have.. but try…it wouldn’t hurt you
Those three defeats in a row where eniterly my fault. I joined the Norwegian United fanclub just before the Newcastle game. I saw the error of my ways and left again just after the Chelsea game.
“never try to argue with a fool, they ll always beat you with experience”
Jon, when you learnt that gem is that when you stopped talking to yourself?
Guys come on,it’s not worth it anymore getting into a debate with Jon or anyone.They have their opinions and we have ours.There is one goal now and one target.8 wins in the next 8.That’s the only way that win on Saturday will have been for nothing.
@Colbert,
As long as you are replying, I am not talking to myself.
Jon,
Is stupid your middle name, I said EPL not champions League
But here is what Henry has won in England
* FA Premier League: 2001–02, 2003–04
* FA Cup: 2002, 2003, 2005
* FA Community Shield: 2002, 2004
I think his mantlepeice will be a bit more crowded that most at Liverpool.
Also If you are not English ( and i’m not racist in the slightest) what on earth made you want to support that load of scouse shite?
Oi jon, I’ve no problem with you, but cut the crap mate. You had your win, we accept it, now we must all move on, we to keep on winning, and you lot so that you don’t look sad by miling it sooo much. I understand that you need to poke us once you have something to do it with, but it’s been 3 days now, so let’s go on with our real life, and bring it up by may or some other time.
Even if you were racist, It wouldn’t bother me, so lets take that off the table,
Why do i support Liverpool? hmmm let me think? cos it is a fcuking free world? is that good enough?
Where are most of the appliance in your household made in China and not England?
Why do you drink french wine? i believe your answer ll be the same as mine.
Think before you ask stupid questions….
Knight Smith, you’d think that Liverpool were the only team that they’d show at the institution Jon was at. Keep everyone sedated and all that.
@ Maik, you do know choice is your fundamental right? you are not forced to read my rant. Are you? is there a gun on your head forcing you to read? I think not
So Jon do you think we have a load of Arabs or Russians bank rolling the club???? The reason we can afford to spend money on players now is that our academy and Sir Alex gave us a team that was winning unchallenged for over a decade…. this of course leads to increased profits from prize money…. If we are going to use you logic then should we also look at returns on investments….. I would imagine then the figures would look a lot more different…..
I was talking to a guy I play football with last Saturday (a liverpool fan) he should me an SMS he had on his phone stating that of the 38 or so purchases by FSW, 21 of them have never made the starting line up…… hhmmmm,, makes you wonder….. don’t ask me to quote them because I was told this by one of your fellow scouse fans who isn’t blinded and does think Benitez is a joke…
It is easy to think Rafa is a joke, simply bcos he bought some crappy players.. but the same Rafa had ask for Vidic, Alves, Simao, Barry etc and the board didn’t support him. if you a manager given 20M per season to build a squad, I am sure we all know, kaka, Rooney, Barbatov, Gerrard etc are out of reach, so it is easy for fans to criticize Rafa, Yup Man U have done a fantastic job building a brand hence more ticket sale, etc..
So let me ask a logical question, if most of the money Man U used to buy players are from ticket sales, success on the pitch, other profit from prize money.. Where is the 700M debt comes from?
the 700m debt came from the actual 790 million purchase of the club you moron… kinda the same way Hicks and Gillet BORROWED 300 mill to buy Liverpool….
I don’t think Rafa is a joke because he bought crappy players, (however I would argue that considering he bought 50 or so players, the majority of who are rubbish, the word “some” should be replaced with “mainly”), I think he is a joke cos he, a bit like you, spouts “facts” without actually researching them… then when the glarings mistakes are pointed out he (like you) continues on with his magic blinkers on….
what the fuck!!! can someone please explain to me why vidic has got a 2 match ban. I thought an straight red for a proffessional foul was a one match ban.
LOL – Jon seems to think that we purchased all our players with a Manchester United credit card!
it’s called serviced debt you idiot, nearly every nation in the western world has been working on the fiscal policy of serviced debt for centuries…Britain for instance has been servicing a large national debt since the Napoleonic wars, America is doing the same against China, same for the EU..that’s how all businesses work, you service the debt by outlining projected earnings, which ours are on a pretty sound basis as a global institution and consistently filled 76,000 seater stadium…moron
he got 2 matches cos it is his second red this season… that and the FA are a shower of wankers
mancaroon- it’s his second of the season
Jake, cheers mate. stupid fucking FA rules!
Dave Dave Dave, why do i have to be a Moron? LMAO….
I only ask a question? didn’t know it ll touch a nerve… You can call me whatever name you want as long as it is on the internet…
If Rafa is a joke, then you should be happy, I don’t think you like Rafa managing Liverpool, what are you scared off?
Do you think I bothered about Moyes? if there managers I am bothered about it ll be Fergie, ONeill, Wenger and Guus,
Jon – we are happy that Rafa is your manager. The silver lining to last week is that Rafa will probably be offered another contract, which is good news as far as I’m concerned. I’m not sure where you got the idea we were scared of him from, tbh. Would you care to expand on that?
Jon
Scared of Rafa? the whole of the Premiership want him to stop at Liverpool. The reason? Because Liverpool will never be that force they were with him in charge.
Tell me what Rafa has achieved at Liverpool, very little, my friends who support Liverpool want to see the back of him as quick as possible. Fair do’s you had a good week, but the rest of the season has been turned into a laughing stock by the waiter.
Liverpool were once a big proud club, cannot you see what bneitwz is doing to them? what you need is someone like O’Neil, but as I said earler, you keep Benitez, he is clueless, ask any neautral
@ Jake,
Serviced debt as long as the debt is sustainable, like you rightly said, most western nations does this, We have seen the same model used in the italian league, and most of them are now busted, We have also seen the same theory used in the financial institution, and even in certain household with the U.S and U.K,
Most folks think the debt level are sustainable and one shock to the business model the business fails,
I know you have just called me an idiot, fair enough, you are entitle to your opinion,
We have seen the same model you are quick to defend is the same model AIG, Lehman bros, Northern Rock General Motors, Ford etc lived on for centuries, why did the model failed again? isnt it because we are a nation living beyond our means…
Ha Mr smart guy, I await you response patiently.
What has Rafa achieved?
CL, FA. cups.
2 CL finals, european football every year, this translate to more revenue to fund playing staff
He has done well considering the resources given to him. which is 100M.
Jon – the team he was given were 4th in the league, 5 points behind United from the season before.
How much have you improved since then?
He has spent close to 200 million quid on players and you’re 3rd in the league, having won NOTHING for the past 2 years. Is that doing well? I guess United and Liverpool fans have a different idea of what doing ‘well’ is.
Jon,
Believe what you want, I really don’t care any more, Benitez has spent more than 100 million, simple as.
One champions league, one FA Cup on both penalties, then you quote European footaball every year to fund playing staff, so where’s the problem with money then?
We can’t compete with the Chelsea and the Man U of these world. end off.
Jon,
If you have ever been to Liverpool (and i’m not knocking you if you haven’t) You would realise what a shithole the place is; I was unfortunate enough to have be born there.
The bad reputation the city has , has to come from somewhere.
Why do you think UEFA voted them Europe’s worst behaved fans? now that is, to quote a Benitez phrase FACT!
You noticed when Platini said he wanted to cap the transfer fee and Salary, Man U fans were the one complaining the most, ( I don’t agree with the idea as we live in a capitalised society)
Why do you Man U fans were very upset? if money wasn’t a issue?
Jon – obviously. That’s why you’re below both of us, as you have been for years. My question was how much have you improved since he came to Liverpool. You’ve finished 2nd in the Premiership before Benitez, but you finish anywhere from 5th to 3rd under him. Is that an improvement?
Clearly close to 200 million on players isn’t enough for Rafa to build anything close to a title winning side.
Which United fans were upset? Why would we give a shit less about a salary cap? We don’t need to pay players over the odds to make them stay… you’re confusing us with City.
Jon – I think the issue is simply that you, like many other Liverpool fans, continue to harp on about our massive debt while at the same time ignoring the fact that your club has incurred exactly the same thing. OK you may argue that our debt is 700 mill while yours was 300 but then we are a more globally marketable club, in the grand scheme of things 700 million isn’t as much to the “big picture” for Manchester United Football club as the 300 is for Liverpool.
The above companies you have mentioned have as you said used the same model.. true.. although the fact that the majority of the above suffered from unsecure leveraging and the purchase of actual debt securities (most of which where more complicated than the brokers handling them) whereas our debt was used to purchase the biggest club in the world.
Banks suffered from the defaults on mortgages due to an over-inflated housing market as well as innacurate valuations over the last 10 years…. can you honestly tell me that the price of players is going to plummet any time soon…don’t think so….
Auto companies suffered because people don’t buy cars when they have no money….
That said even with the world financial crisis we have still managed to have two consecutive years of record turnovers, week in week out sell out attendances (home and away), a team that is yet to reach its peak yet is still sweeping all awards in front of them…. I could go on.
I love that Benitez is your manager…. he is clueless…. I do agree that on their day Liverpool can beat anybody but then that is the beauty of football…. nothing is sure… the mark of champions are the team that consistently beats teams week in week out…. the team at the top of the league at the end of the season are the best team in the league simple….. lets be fair.. cup football is a lottery….you may have won the championsleague a few years back but that was with the title the worst team to ever win it… wow… thats gota hurt especially when you think Porto won it!!!
Ok now you have your answer now try to keep your questions to football….
We are below Man U as the table doesn’t lie,
Have we improved? i ll say yes,
What is the difference in points Liverpool from the leaders… How many times has Rafa got into the Q-final and S-final of the CL.
When was the last time we took points from Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal?
Have we improved? based on the information provided to you, i thin we have.
Jon, you truly are an idiot…I can just see you carrying your copy of whatever paper you read everywhere you go and quoting it blindly if you really think that serviced debt is responsible for this economic downturn….the downturn is due to dodgy mortgage deals and personal loans which aren’t serviced at all, not national debt which is serviced and backed against regular taxable income…this policy was established in the 17th century by the Orange goverment of 1688…we have gone through massive recessions and downturns since and come out of them..it’s called the economic cycle, if you knew anything about history you’d know that banks and industries have collapsed before, they all did in 1776, 1930 to quote a couple of occasions off the top of my head when they realised that they had been profligate in their policies but national debt continues through it all because it is SERVICED…just like our debt is…let me say one more time- you are a fuckin idiot
FACT CHECK.
whereas our debt was used to purchase the biggest club in the world. Bigger than Madrid? the revenue posted by delliote say you are second.
can you honestly tell me that the price of players is going to plummet any time soon…don’t think so….
It is on a decline already? do you honestly think Barbatov is worth 32M? Carrick, Anderson and Nani are 17M?
I think not.
While i understand your sentiment of the mark of a champion, we should not take away from the fact that it is not a coincident that money plays a signficant part in footie today, for the expection of arsenal the clubs that spend the most wins the league.
Again, Rafa hasn’t been bad considering he has been here for 4.5 yrs. it is not the smartest of argument to think he ll be better than Wenger and Fergie, He must build a team and that just don’t happen overnight, I don’t think Fergie achieved close to what Rafa did in his first 5 yrs
Fuck off Jon! The fuck you doin’ here? Scouse twat!
LOL Jake,
you said: the downturn is due to dodgy mortgage deals and personal loans which aren’t serviced at all,
The mortgage loans and the personal loans were once serviced. that is why you have a default window of 3 to 6 months.. it was not sustainable at some point, then the borrower starts to default, Bankers are not stupid, they wouldn’t just give out loans that wouldnt be service at all…
Liverpool for example, RBS gave G&H a loan which is currently service, once they can’t service it anymore, Liverpool must sell or go into administration.
You can call me a fucking idiot, but from your statement of dodgy loan that weren’t serviced at all. it shows how much you really know without me exposing your ignorance.
Jon – Rafa was given a team that finished 4th the season before he took over. United were in the relegation zone when Fergie took over.
Please explain how you can compare SIR Alex Ferguson’s first five years to Rafa’s, given that the FSW had a MUCH better group of players to work with in the first place.
Liverpool have improved through the number of points they have increases season upon season and Rafa see’s that as progress.
It depends on what point of view you look at it from.
Jon,
You really believe Benitez is a good manager don’t you? Don’t take any notice of me, ask people who support other teams if they would like him as their next manager, the answer would be a resounding NO!
When The waiter has won the treble, the double (numerous times) manages a side that are, English, European, and Club world champions, Top of the EPL, Carling Cup holders, FA Cup semi-Finalists, Champions league quarter finalists, then i’ll say he’s as good.
But you know as well as I do, It will never happen!
And it was a different time back then.It wasn’t a money game as it is now.Didn’t they buy Cisse for Benitez in his first season?
Jon
Forgot to mention Ten EPL titles (soon to be 11) to Liverpool’s 0 (that’s none)
You cant Scott. That is why Rafa’s benchmark shouldn’t be Fergie. All I am doing is playing devils advocate here.
It is not easy to compare managers.. and trophy count is not the benchmark for me, if you ask me Arsene Wenger is the best manager in the EPL.
spent a NET of 20M in 10 yrs, 3 F.A cup that is the person i ll hire to run my company if i needed a CEO.
…I understand that but the point is John that the housing market was operating in a bubble, you might be able to argue the same for football but you would be in exactly in the same boat…However,it would appear that the downturn hasn’t affected the football world at all, people will still find a bit of money to watch their football team, pay for Sky or buy a shirt..the day that isn’t possible we are all fucked but going on holidays, buying cars and houses etc are the first things to go…you are fuckin clueless if as you stated, you believe national debt is all part of the same problem and that we are as susceptible as AIG and Lehmann brothers to the economic downturn…Dominoes profits are up by a 33% this year, not everyone suffers equally muppet, some do profit from downturns, whilst football might not profit, it certainly won’t be affected anywhere near as much as investment bankers, insurance companies, estate agents etc etc so go back and grab your paper and have another read mate because you’re fuckin clueless
Jon
I will agree Wenger is very good manager, you’d hire him to run your company fair do’s; but it depends on what level of success you want.
I can understand Arsenal supporters moaning about lack of cash, but not your lot.
Still at least they’ve won the EPL, that’s more than Liverpool can muster, even with all the money they’ve spent
knightsmith
you have stated a fact. remember we are a small team on the decline
AC, Bayern and Madrid does have more domestic and European titles than Man U tho, and that is really the teams you should be comparing youselves with, afterall you are the biggest club on the land !!! not ?
yes Jon but the club wasn’t sold this season was it….can’t really see Madrid being up there once their 2009 figures are announced considering they are out of the Champions League and La Liga running.
What we pay for players and what everyone else pays does differ for one but the general price of players isn’t on decline. Carrick has more than repayed the 17 million spent on him, Anderson is defo worth what we paid… granted he may be having a tough second season but to buy a player with his ability at his age for 18 million will become a bargain. Our loan isn’t leveraged on the value of the players…. so it is actually irrelevant but just to humour you….. transfer fees on average in the premier league have been steadily increasing every season so I don’t think that your arguement is really valid. To outline some players that may have been overpriced shows a touch of the famous Liverpool tunnel vision.
Liverpool paid 20 mill for Torres can you honestly tell me that he is now worth less???? No???? Weird then I guess that would indicate values haven’t been declining…. see it doesn’t really work does it??
fergie didn’t get a top 4 team when he took over, he didn’t get a team that had money.
Lets be fair… your success at the moment is built around 2 players.. .one who came through the ranks and has twice said he wants out and another who is very injury prone…. what happens when these two are gone??? Rafa’s genius in the transfer market surely won’t help you then will it????
Jon,
We are English, European, and World Club Champion! What more do you expect us to do?
European teams should not be judged on domestic titles.In Greece Olympiakos have as many league titles as Liverpool and United together.That doesn’t make them a bigger team.
It was a lot easier today than i thought. I dreaded going to work today. But then, i just replied “well do you think if we are going to win all 5 this seasn, we are going unbeaten all the way? The result let the pressure off, so you guys better be more careful. This is just a small bad result, indeed, it may well be a blessing in disguise. So good luck to you chasing us now. At LEAST you have a little bit of chance now”. nobody would say another word after that haha.
I showed Chelsea fans pictures of Terry’s and Vidic’s, their faces turned red haha.
But it still hurt.. damn..
knightsmith, mybe he’s expecting us to win all 5? haha. Or to even out on the 18? haha. What are they expecting of themselves now? to win the league? big HAHA.
its funny how many liverpool fans have come out here and are talking about FACTS…
Scott, u should archive this post at the front page for the rest of the season and we definitely we will have the last laugh when we win the league..
nd for the scouse fans.. dont talk about FACTs like you know them all… You must be blindfolded to think what Rafa did at that press conference was not ridiculous…
Hope we meet you guys in the CL draw this friday… we will show you what United are… Champions of the World, Champions of Europe and Champions of England (put in the carling cup also).. and as of rite now…. U OWN shite… so go on bragging… I will take the trophies
@Dave,
you brought up the price of players not on the decline, so u are not humoring me.
It is lazy in thought to think Rafa’s team is based on 2 players, Torres didn’t feature in both CL final appearance and FA Cup Rafa won. both have had injuries these season and we are still 4 point off the leaders that is a big statement, u must credit rafa for that.
Gerrard wanted to leave but he didn’t, I believe ronaldo wanted out last season. didn’t he, these things are not unique to Liverpool.
Rafa ll definitely get more money on the likes of Alonso, Albeola, Aurreilo, Torres Reina, Voronin (a freebie about to be sold for 7M) . I am not here to argue if Carrick, berbatov and co are worth you paid for them, Clearly that ll be up to success on the pitch and ability to pay back the debt.
Cantona7
Don’t worry about it all, it will seem in the distant past when we lift the EPL title in May.
Things are quickly forgotten, like the dippers getting the run a round from the Boro.
They’ve also forgotten the 3 – 0 hiding from last year, the 1-6, and 1-5 hidings they got from Arsenal in the Carling cup and FA cup not to long ago at Anfield.
Also Barnsley knocking them out of the cup last year at Anfield, gettin the run a round from Havant and Waterlooville ar Anfield in the same competition.
Take consolation, at the end of the day, they’re still scousers, and we know what the whole country thinks of them don’t we?
I got to work today expecting the worst, as I am literally surrounded by scousers (both legitimate and plastic). But I’ve got through the day without having to whip out the preverbial middle finger. I am nearly as shocked as I was on Saturday afternoon, but then we are top of the league, and the chances of FSW nailing every point upto the end of the season, is highly highly doubtful. And they know it! Can they beat Arsenal & Villa? I really don’t think so!
So to see jon on here waving his scouse stick about (blindly) is cheering me up lots!
Nothing has changed!
I look forward to taking advantage of that game in hand then rubbing ANOTHER championship trophy in there bitter spot ridden faces!! Ha!
Long live the Rafalution!
LOL, we never forget, didn’t Coventry knocked you out of a cup last season?? lol… scousers aint so bad, what are the people working in the city screwing you? Scousers too?
you second best player is a scouser, take comfort from that… Hail the Rooney…
Jon
Unlike the dippers we do get success on the pitch and can manage our debt.
I’d worry about you own side if I were you
Knightsmith,
More like you buy success on the pitch and manage your debt.. Anyone can buy success. Is that why Man U fans were so scared when KAKA was about to join city? 100M was ridiculous when KAKA was on his way to city, but Rio’s 30M is fair value… hypocrites
Jon,
No Coventry didn’t knock us out of a cup last season. And if you think scousers aren’t to bad, well you’ve never been to Liverpool then. The words scouse and work in the same sentence doesn’tequate
Well i have worked all my life, since my A levels so that doesn’t apply to me.. Rooney, Carra, Gerrard are scousers and they are not lazy, they run their suck off… Stereotyping is a form of discrimination, and I don’t think it is smart.
my bringing up the the transfer prices was aimed at clarifying the fact the global banking crisis arose from defaults on mortgages due to false valuations as well as banks loading up on debt securities, whereas the clubs debt is based on the on the sale of the club, the reduction in the price of players won’t affect it….. seldomly do we lose in the long term on a players value…. for example….Van Nistelrooy was sold for 10 mil but I think we more than recouped the 7 mil difference in what he brought for us…..
“Voronin a freebie about to be sold for 7 mill…. great example….have you heard the one about the young nigerian boy who had his head turned by russian billions, decided to deny signing for Man U then went on to fulfil his dream of winning nothing for an ageing team???? yeah well that little Nigerian boy earned us 17 million….. hhhmmmm good business there I think.
Ronaldo said he wanted out, the club denied it… we move on….. Gerard actually put in a transfer request twice and the only reason he stayed was the “fans”……. for the fear of them!!!!!! But then world football is full of mercenaries…Ronaldo will go eventually and we will move on.. When Stevie Me goes your team will fall apart.
To be honest this season there has not been one outstanding team…. Liverpool being in 3rd place is nothing to do with rafa’s brilliance its down to the fact that Arsenal are STILL in transition, Chelsea are in disarray and Man U haven’t been killing of teams like they usually do.
If you think Liverpool aren’t a two man team then you are deluded….. OK granted Carragher is an excellent player but maybe I have a soft spot for him because he has such an adoration for Man U
Jon
Talk sense. Kaka was never going to go to city, do you honestly believe united haven’t got a good return for the £30 million they paid for Ferdinhand bearing in mind he’s been there seven years.
Simple fact is, come up with what ever deluded excuse you want, United are the Champions, you shower of shite are not.
Still, you’ve got Stevie Me’s court case to look forward to this week, another scouse highlight!
FFS, this Jon tosser is still on here?
Let the cunts enjoy their win. Well done, congrats.
Want to know what will make their win so sweet?
This has given them hope only to be dashed when come the end of the season the EPL comes back home again. Before the game I laughed my nuts off. Saw some scouse bastards with their usual banner, but this time they changed it from their usual 18 & 5 to 5 &18. They know that by the end of may it’s gonna be 18 & 5, and 18 & 4
What really gets up their noses is that no matter how successful they were in the distant past they were and will always be in our shadow. They will never be the biggest or best club in the world. They will always be at best the 2nd club in England even that has slippewd recently with Arsenal and Chelski taking that role. Fuck sake they aren’t even the main scouse team with majority of true scouser supporting Everton.
Come onto our site enjoy ourselves and then enjoy watching us winning, cry about Facts – more money (we won’t mentioon the Moores family bank rolling your glory years ok), refs being biased(again we won’t mention all the opposition players being sent off against you lot or the Pens that you get, and how many penalties have been awarded against you at Analfield?)
Pathetic scouse scumbags.
Colbert
Please explain to him about scousers, and their work ethic, and thier fondness for thieving, he thinks i’m stereotyping.
Jon, i’m glad you have worked all your life good on you, but you aren’t a scouser, I wasn’t classing you the same as them.
A scouser wouldn’t know what an “A” level was, might understand a “La” level
Liverpool is a 2 man team and Reina won the EPL keeper of the year, was Torres or Gerrard in goal? What we have is a superb team ethics from bunch of average players, this season Alonso has been the best player to date. So I think I am not the deluded one here, I think you have been listening to Andy Gray and Jamie Redknapp. too much.
We reference to the Nigerian guy, Mikel that is his choice, If you want you can deny the fact Ronaldo wanted to leave, that isn’t delusional, is it now?
Alonso, Reina, Carra, srtel. Masherano are very important member of the squad. Maybe what you are trying to say is Torres and Gerrard are the only match winner… i am not sure,
jon, how can you talk about moral high ground when you support liverpool? you killed your own fans mate and stole the wallets from the dead and kicked a copper who was giving mouth to mouth, self pity city…¨
whats the difference between a cow and a tragedy? a scouser doesnt know how to milk a cow….
Jon, this is our site, we will all be bias, so no use arguing with us, we see things with devil & red tinted glasses, so dun need to even waste ur breath here, we are so in love with our club we are blind. Yes, we spent quite abit of money, yes we love rafa, and yes we got beaten by a better team on sat.
Happy now? We sure are, cuz we’re top!
Those are facts we never ever tried to push away, we accepted it. Our whole point is that you are not much better, stats proved it. So show some class like we have and admit you are not any better, and we might jus start agreeing with u
@keanesmagichat
that is the best you have got? try again mate…
all scousers seem to forget that stevie me handed in TWO transfer equests, a local lad and captain… but all is forgiven of course…
mickey mouse club…
MURDERORS
@ Marq
Agreed, we are not better. it is a fact and i have said it. we were the better team on saturday tho.
the best ive got? its all i need ya sad cunt…
i presume you have never stepped into anfield…
you killed your own fans… the worst stain imaginable on a club
jog on
home time boys… Hopefully we ll meet in the CL final… I pray we do…
Jon
I will agree. Alsonso has been your best player, but it was only last summer that Benitez wanted shot of him to fund buying Barry.
It was Mikel’s choice, but the lad is backward, we’ll take the £17 million, not bad for a player who never pulled on a United shirt, and had been at Chelsea for a year.
I’ll agree about Ronaldo as well, I don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth, and I think he will move in the summer, but we’ll get a good profit on him.
I’ll also agree that Riena has a safe pair of hands; well i’ve not noticed him dropping any EPL medals lately!
Jon.
you will draw Chelsea in the Champions league, it’s law
@ keanesmagichat
Your willful myopic ignorance is so profound that only your stupidity can match it
Just for a laugh, in google images, type in gerrard everton it shows what a loyal dipper he is (first pic that comes up)
@ Knightsmith
If you come from poverty and you have a 10 yr career? would you choose a club offering you 15K over a club offering you 60K a week?
Pls be honest, let me be honest with you, most of the foreign player from poor countries dont give a damn about medals, they have got family to feed.
They might draw us in the Ch.League.After all they have drawn everyone else from the Premiership.
I have seen it all before, Carra, fowler and Gerra are all evertonians.. but guess what? they saw the light and joined the most successful club in England… it doesnt get better than that.
Oh God yes Rome fuck I so want you lot of shite in Rome.
It will be the perfect ending to the season Win the Champions League beating the scouse bastards. Oh GOD please give us that. Jon if you think you will beat us 3 times in a season. Your fucking nuts I would question what medication your doc has you on. Think fergie will let that happen? Not a fucking chance!
Jon
I presume you are talking about mikel; the boy was manipulated, by the chairman of that Danish club he was at to start with.
If you think he has a ten year life span at chelsea, you are deluded, he is crap.
Most footballers, including those at united , don’t give a toss about anyone but themselves, and wouldn’t give you or me the time of day
LOL what are you going to do, bribe the ref? or Ronaldo is going to keep diving??
Impossible is nothing, it ll be beyond Fergie’s control mate
jon… how often will you continue to ignore black and white facts??
Firstly you go on about how we bought the league, then we clarified that due to our academy and talented young manager that the money came from prize money… nothing to do with buying success there…. then you move on and yet come back to the same comment again… a bit of logic to your comments would be nice…
Secondly, If you go back to the previous post I wrote regarding my response to your Ronaldo statement not only did I confirm it happened but I also said it is quite likely he will go in the near future. I was merely trying to highlight the fact that the Darling of the scousers handed in two transfer requests and then changed his mind due to one or two death threats he and his family received.. you gotta love that scouser spirit.
To be fair I haven’t actually heard or seen anything from Andy Gray or Jamie Redknapp in a very long time….. lets be fair Jon…. you being a Liverpool fan should realise that Jamie Redknapp is a touch biased in his Liverpool comments considering playing for them….. I am starting to think that considering most of your comments don’t seem to reflect any form of medium term facts i.e. more than 6 years that you are new to this whole “supporting a premier league team” business.
Jon
a few more weeks and you won’t be the most successful club in England anymore.
And surely you can come up with a better example than Robbie Fowler
Jon
How anyone who supports a team with Gerrard in it can comment about other players diving is beyond me. He is the worst in the league, you ask any neautral
LOL.. Gerrard is worst than Ronaldo and Drogba? ha ha ha… deluded again…
How many players from your “academy” played on Sat??
Thank you… we have Gerrard and Carra
Name the players from the starting 11 that we MAn U academy on sat
Jon – I couldn’t care less.
As for the rest, just a bad day at the office. Last year Man City didn’t become the best team in the world just by beating us twice in the league.
Sorry Scousers, but neither are you!
Well we had O’Shea, not good but then injury has forced the other academy raised players to the treatment table, The you have Giggs, Scholes (both academy legends), then on the bench we also had Evans and Fletcher who have both played their fair share this season… again you are picking isolated events…. you are clutching at straws at this stage….
Your two academy darlings…. one who puts himself before the club and the other not only disagrees with what your manager says about Man U but he also thinks Sir Alex is the best manager ever…. hhhmmmm…..
Ronaldo and Drogba shouldn’t really be taken as examples…. English players as a general rule don’t traditionally dive where as it is part of the continental game…. Stevie Me is a horrific diver….. it was a peno on Sat but he was going down before contact was made. THe problem is that because he is the “Champion of the National team” he is not vindicated in a way foreign players are…..
OK Jon where to next…. .we buy the league or perhaps the denial that Ronaldo handed in a transfer request…….
Just O’Shea but that’s because the others were on the bench.
O’shea is the only player that started from you so called academy… everyone else was bought having shown their potential.. so it is not as if you are out their scouting secondary schools for talent, you were bidding money for the top guys from other teams
I realise Jon that you stated who in the starting 11 but again I assumed that was just to fit in with your now clearly blinkered approach to everything….
Also to clarify my point regarding diving:
Ronaldo dives, Drogba dives…. true enough it disgusts me like most others but neither of them write in their books that they hate people who dive and how it should be severly punished bla bla bla and then go onto the pitch to continue being one of the most notorious hypocritical diving wankers in the Premiership…. ala Steven Gerard
Not at all.. if you have been a manager for 23 yrs. it is only common sense to have a process in place that ll produce in grown players, Rafa has only been with Liverpool for 4 yrs.. and dont fool yourself, Evan and Flecther are by no means a starting 11.
They are squad players.
Fletcher is a regular this year.
So Giggs, Scholes, fletcher, Evans, Wellbeck, Darren Wellbeck and Richard Eckersley are all players who have played first team football for Man U this season having come up through the academy and yet you surprisingly overlook this… I have obviously left out what are officially academy players such as Possebon, Campbell and Simpson who have all played Premiership football this season yet may not fall into your criteria. How many Liverpool academy players have started this season??? Stevie Me and Carragher… ok….. any that weren’t there when rafa took over??? hhhmmmm think not….
Jon on a closing point you have shown yourself to be very limited in your knowledge of the Premiership, of the team on who’s site you have spent the day commenting, on the team you allegedly support, on the global financial crisis…. wow come to think of it Jon… what exactly is it that you are knowledgeable on… .fishing no doubt
darren gibson not darren wellbeck
what percentage of games have they started? Thank you.. compared to the foreign ones?
these players are no where near your starting 11.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/shared/bsp/hi/football/statistics/players/s/scholes_16392.stm
I know I said on a closing point but I couldn’t resist….
Firstly you call it our so called Academy then when I prove to you that our so called academy is actually quite a strong one then you backtrack saying that it is only logical that we have a strong academy….
Now I think is time for you to admit defeat and move on… you have been shown up today to be another FACT spouting scouse fool. I don’t intend it to be personal but when a person makes so many glaring mistakes and still refuses to back down it doesn’t show courage only stubbornness and stupidity…
Good day to you sir!!!
daveob82
You have to feel sorry for any non scouser that chooses to support the dippers. I have good friend who does, but having lived in Ilfracombe (Liverpool-On-Sea) for a while, he now realises what a workshy thieving bunch of bastards, who would rather be on the dole at the seaside, than that shithole beside the Mersey.
I think he’s having second thoughts now.
The YNWA the dippers keep coming up with, is in fact an anagram!
WOW…… you are right…..
Kinda hard to believe that we don’t start a 35 year old center midfileder every week, I mean we are only challenging for every single possible honour there is this season…. .Our academy really must be rubbish…..
Straws my boy Straws!!!!!
Off to work now, look it up in the dictionary scousers. And to Jon, thanks for the banter; but you can say what you wish, we’re champions, and you’re not; simple as!
Night all.
@knightsmith
ha ha… quality mate…..
Makes for an interesting day schooling the ignorant
Jon all this talk about United spending more money is really irritating me. Tell me is it our fault that we are the most profitable club in the world? Is it our fault that we make alot of money from ticket sales because our stadium is twice the size as yours? No shame in spending self generated cash. Not our fault that we are the most popular club in the world.
Of course he didn’t say any of the academy players that they have brought to the first team since the turn of the millenium.Are there any?
This site is so great seeing all these manx cying,loosing sleep darnt go to work.
while i watched us giving you a lesson in atacking football i swear i spotted that fella from dewsbury you know the one who kidnapped this little girl sat there with your lot scalf in hand.Theatre of filth more like.
Redronan, thats rich comming from scum like you.
By the way, by my bias opinion, I do believe Gerrard has dived to win more penalties than Ronaldo has. I think that is actually a fact you know, but I’m lazy to search
|Ishaq, Sorry Man U didnt spend money they got their players all for free…
Oh the irony. The dips beat us and rentboys home and away but they are still only third.
nice piece
We are buying our titles and what is Rafa doing ? Waits the moment when we will be out of money ?
Understand one thing. We have 2 squads because we have players like Neville, Evans, OShea, Scholes, Fletcher, Giggs who are all our academy players. Of course, you have to pay for your bench. That is the problem ?
We have Vida (the wordls best defender) worth 30+ mln who we bought for 7 mln, we have two stars in the making brothers Da Silva, we have 70 mln player who we bought for 13 mln etc. Yes, we’ve bought our titles. Of course.
When we won our 2006-2007 title we only bought Carrick and sold Nistelrooy. That season we were in the semis of the CL and spent the money earned from that on new players. Only Nani for me was a mistake, but all this helped us win the EPL-CL double.
We spend the earned money, as simple as that. And who are you to judge our spendings ? It’s our own business. You remain with lucky 1-4 after many years of disillusionment.
Good night… till we meet again…. YNWA….
Goodnight Jon,literally
One loss, the boys get focused again and we push on to win the league. Atleast it happened so that we can recover from it…with respect to the CL, barca first then livershit plz…
Jon’s off to finger his mum
Lol Rob!He must be Scott’s busier poster.And the sad thing is he always says the same things.Apparently they forgot to give him some new notes.
Wonder if he will spend so much time here in May?
jon: rafael beneath-us.
Scott looks like this is the most popular blog for the dippers.
I figure that once they get knocked out of Europe he will disappear until next season.
wazza: God I know!
Jon, YNGAJ
How to deal with the cocky Scousers – point out these facts:
World Player of the Year – UTD 1 ‘Pool 0
European Player of the Year – UTD 4 ‘Pool 0
Champions League – UTD 2 ‘Pool 0
World Club Champions – UTD 1 ‘Pool 0
Domestic Doubles – UTD 3 ‘Pool 1
Domestic Double/CL – UTD 1 ‘Pool 0
FA Cup – UTD miles ahead
Manager to win Championship 3 consecutive times – UTD 1 ‘Pool 0
Individual games are quickly forgotten – unless they’ve never won a championship in 19, going on 20 seasons.
Rafa for 2 more years = no EPL win in that time.
In 10 years time, with no EPL won, the scousers will still be singing about one result. Pathetic really. Why don’t they pressure their club to start playing decent football instead of ‘huff it up the field and hope’
owensleftfoot Said,
March 16th, 2009 @14:21
Manu will win the league because they have been the most consistent and they deserve to. I reckon we have a good chance of winning the cl because on our day we can beat anyone.
“we have a good chance of winning the cl because on our day we can beat anyone.” ??????
Can they? Can they FUKC!!
If ‘Pool can do that they’d be walking away with the EPL. The FACT is running hot and cold is only one of ‘Pool’s many problems.
Rafa – what a wise man he thinks he is – says IF ‘Pool can win their next 9 league games they’re in with a chance. When have they won 9 consecutive league games under Rafa? Every time this bloke opens his mouth he brings himself down to the same level as an immature ‘Pool fan.
Brisbane – dippers have ONE Champions League mate
Personally i love how the whole of the media,along with the hyenas at Pool and Chelsea,are getting on our back now.If this doesn’t wake up and motivate our lads after that,i don’t know what will.Right now they think we are equal to Torquay!I don’t know if anyone saw this,but before the game i saw the manager making his way to his seat,applauding passionately at the crowd.I could tell that he was fired up as hell.I really think that this is the most painful defeat he has ever felt.I wouldn’t want to be a United player this week.By the time the Fulham game arrives,these players will be crapping thunder.
Well said Scott. This post made my day.
Come on United!
The Ministry of defence have issued a statment that they consider a mass alien abduction in the Manchester area on saturday is down to non military or non national and non national security matters…news just in…. Greater Manchester police deny reports of a large number of locals disapearing on saturday afternoon and that they are just drunk or high as kites, but more subdude than usual, the say it was like a day of a postal stike and the dicks did not recieve their giros.. Frank Gallagher a local man” said Im gutted so fuck knows how Mr Fergusons feels, but never mind Ive got a bag of coke that Rio can share it with the lads”…. breaking news…….cornwall and devon constabualary have just issued a statment that the reports of missing people are exagerated and they have all turned up in corwall just in time for last orders, they say it as been the quietest saturday night since sheepshagging in public was banned in 1732. But Liverpool fans think you just disapeard up your arseholes, the last statment is not in anyway attrributed to Merseyside Police who have had not involvment in the investigation to thousands of people going missing at THE THEATRE OF DREAMzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
An open letter to Sir Alex Ferguson, Why do you not appear on MOTD like all other managers win lose or draw they all turn up and say there bit, why won,t you talk to your own fans, fans all over the world are waiting for you to come out and give your reaction to the game, if the fat spanish waiter can do it after getting beat by Boro why can’t you do it after being spanked by the dippers
Great stuff Scott.
you dont see columns like this at RAWK.
Thats why our fans are the best and they(Liverpool) havent won shit in ages.
I had a horrible day at deeside college today, and it’s only 5 miles from mersyside. Imagine, ONE Utd supporter in the middle of lots ov lvpool fans
I must admit, you have a great point there. Me and my mate were in Traffords bar and not one person stopped singing throughout the entire match. An incredible amount of emotion shown, but a right load of passion displayed. Even when defeated and 4-1 down, there were still chants of “We’ll never die… keep the red flag flying high”.
Being a student from Manchester, at Liverpool John Moores was not easy to take on the chin, but the twats down the east lanks still had the bitter pill of failure to swallow – 19 years without the one trophy they need (and by fuck do they know it).
I was leaping off my couch when Ronaldo hit home the penalty, and the way they were playing, i really thought the game was ours. But unfortunately though, a few mistakes were made and yeah it was tough to hear some of my Liverpool frens call me and laugh at my face. I only had one thing to say, we have done it before, we will do it again, we are still on top of the table and looking down on the rest of them! We will stick by our lads!!
GLORY GLORY MAN UTD!
I like your comments.
It’s just another bad hair day…just shake it off and move on to a greater height. Quintuple is still in sight and there’s something we can all look forward too. I believe those Kopites can’t argue with that…
whats this i heard on my local radio bout stevie me wanting to postpone their next match because its 20 years after hillsborough?
http://www.thisisanfield.com/kopblog/#297
This is funny:
Apeboy Rooney is a person who makes it easy to understand why some mammals eat their own young. He’s the kind of footballer who doesn’t know the meaning of the word fear, in fact he doesn’t know the meaning of most words. Ahead of the game he said he hated us, which is a real shame because we all think so highly of him. His boss tried to distance him from the comments but I believe Rooney was just trying to attract some publicity because I hear on the grapevine that Oscar winning director Danny Boyle is currently working on a film about his life story, apparently it’s going to be called Scumbag Millionaire!
Their midfielders Park, Carrick and Milli Vanilli Anderson were about as much use as a trap door in a lifeboat and their attack was just as bad. It may have just been the time of month but Ladyboy Ronaldo certainly had a bad hair day.
So it was a great performance and a well deserved 4-1 win to The Reds and if Rafa truly is cracking up then I hope he keeps on cracking! However at the end of the game it seemed to me that there was one person cracking up and it certainly wasn’t Benitez. Given the fact that it was such a long time since the mancs suffered such a mauling at home that their ground at the time was simply called Trafford, it seemed incredible for their bitter boss Alex Fungushead to claim he was particularly disappointed with the defeat because he felt his team were the better side.
if United eventually conclude a permanent deal for Carlos Tevez, the full cost of their current squad will stand at £226m. Liverpool’s stands at £127m,
FACT.
Although I only watched it all on live TV, I was watching till the end and looking at the ManU players’ faces. Guess I was trying to see the ‘we’ll fix this over the next 10games’ look. Rooney definitely had the look & a few others as well. Craven Cottage, bring it on!
Among all of the media hypocrites and the Livepool camp thinking that they just won the League,i am glad at least one man hasn’t lost his mind:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/wenger-backs-red-devils-for-title-1646416.html
Funny isn’t is?Were Arsene Wenger and SAF the only ones in England who noticed that the United players who played against Inter and against Pool were tired as hell?Never mind.When we do lift the trophy in May i will take Wenger’s half ass congratulations over the SUN’s and the Mirror’s gloating any day.The only thing Fergie has to do to wake up the lads is show them what has been written about them this week.I know that has fired me up.
Costa. I think everyone agrees with Wenger that ManU ll take the EPL. I think what most people were happy about are the fact that,
Wiley have the balls to call a PK against ManU at OT, (most ref wouldn’t have called a PK as they are too scared of fergie)
The underdog won,
the defence can be expose if team comes to play,
Your team are far from untouchable
but all in all I ll say Man U ll take it, you better with a team of over 200M pounds. Nothing else ll be acceptable.
We’ll Never Die!
Beware of a backlash. I hope we meet those dippers in the Champions league.
Jon
It’s like a broken record, give it a rest for fucks sake. Didn’t hear your lot complaining when you were being bankrolled by John Morres all those years did we.
Manipulate it all you wish, but the waiter has spent the same as Fergie since he’d been with the dippers, but it’s only you that gives a toss anyhow.
Man Utd are
EPL Champions
Champions League Winners
Club World Champions
Carling Cup Winners
Liverpool are champions or holders of nothing , so where has the money been best spent?
As the major of London said, all you scousers do is wallow in your own self pity, and you wonder why the whole country despises you! not hard to work out is it?
No no no.Look at the article.I am not putting it up because he says United will win the title.It’s because he says what most fans saw on Saturday.That the scoreline flattered Liverpool.And i am not talking about the last 10 minutes but for the game as a whole.Drop the money issue.United in 96 and in 2007 proved that you can win the title without having the biggest budget.It all depends on the manager.Your manager really believes that he ripped open our defence?The goals were from two long balls,a penalty and a free kick.Free flowing football at it’s best.20 years from now,no one will be saying United won the title because of the money.
LOL… Self pity? that is funny….
if United eventually conclude a permanent deal for Carlos Tevez, the full cost of their current squad will stand at £226m. Liverpool’s stands at £127m,
FACT.
Jon
The words of Alan Hansen:
” The title is still Manchester United’s to lose and they remain overwhelming favourites. We must not forget how well they have played this season before Saturday, so to suggest one defeat is suddenly going to send them off the rails is nonsense. “
jon: when a team like ManUtd keeps on winning trophies year in year out, the big name players will obviously be attracted to ManUtd, who can afford those players.those players r the assets of the club
Yes it is, i have stated that repeatedly. Man U are going to win the league. You have the most expensive squad. So you ll win.
I don’t believe you have the best manager tho, If you have the best manager, Jose wouldn’t have won 2 titles back to back.
Jose won because he spent a lot, Fergie won it back because he start to spend again on the likes of Nani, Anderson, Carrick, Hargraves, Tevez, etc.
I am making valid points here, not emotional based points. Liverpool will not win as we don’t have the money to compete. 100M in 5 seasons for Rafa is hardly going to win you the title, when Chelsea can spend 17M on a right back, Man U can pay 17M for bench warmers…
Look at your record in Europe where the type of money you can spend, a few teams can also spend.
Fergie only got to the final twice in 23 yrs. (why is this?)
my reasons,
Fergie is not capable of intimidating the ref in euro,
all the diving and dodging call that earns you at least 10 points a season in England, wouldnt happen in european football,
So Euro is more of a level playing field… that is why u have won their in 23 yrs.
twice in 23 yrs.
Jon
Liverpool will win Jack shit FACT
Liverpool are third in the table FACT
Liverpool haven’t won the league for 18 years FACT
Liverpool are out of the FA cup FACT
Liverpool have been voted the worst fans in Europe FACT
Liverpool caused the death of 39 Italians FACT
Liverpool were to blame for the deathe of 96 people at Hillborough FACT
Scouse supporters stole tickets from their own supporters FACT
Scouse supporters stole wallets from their own dead supporters at Heysel FACT
Liverpool supporters got all English teams banned from Europe for five years FACT
Scousers are the most hated people in England FACT
All scousers do is whine FACT
Liverpool is a shit hole FACT
You’ve never been there, probably FACT
Most scousers are scroungers FACT
And here’s some reading for you:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=436072&&cc=3888
and some more, notice the pictures of the scouse scum
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-459708/Ticket-stealing-Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html
GUys give it up.He is playing the same cassete ever since Saturday.Stop responding and the cassete will stop by itself.
Costas
Well said! We know who are champions, he must be a proper scouser as he’s on here a lot, and doesn’t seem to have a job. I think i’ll leave him to his delsusions. At least our fans are not muderers!
Knightsmith, You are right I do not have a job, instead i have a business,
Costas, yes I am playing the same cassatte, cos it is the truth. You are champions.
A bank robber, that didn’t get caught is also a rich man.
the cheats on wall st and city of london are rich.
No dignity tho… that is the difference,
Chelsea won trophies but do you really think they are respected? I think not. The end don’t always justify the means…
You can’t go thro life cheating like fergie, RVN, Ronaldo does,
Why do you think Ronaldo is hated? and don’t say because of his skills, Zidane, Figo, Messi, Romario, Pele, have comparable skills and they were not hated. Ronaldo is hated cos he is a cheat. END OFF.
@ Wazza
I agree.
when a team like ManUtd keeps on winning trophies year in year out, the big name players will obviously be attracted to ManUtd, who can afford those players.those players r the assets of the club
Costas,
When is that thug and scous icon Stevie Me up in court please, is it this week?
Jon, Got your own buisiness my arse! dream on, if you did have, you wouldn’t spend so much time on here spouting shite.
Everyone hates scousers, it’s a simple fact, have you ever been to Liverpool/ becuase if you had, you would know why.
And how does Fergie cheat? let me guess your answer. And say what you want about Ronaldo, at least he’s not out on bail like Stevie Me is he?
Bunch of scum, the whole lot of you, and the majority of the country agrees with me.
Knightsmith i think it’s on March 20 but i am not sure.Personally i don’t think anything will happen.He is not a Manchester United player remember?
Laff at me having my business all you want, I have 2 websites, Ask Scott the red how much he makes from advertising with each page view, You are too dumb to under how business works, my website makes money for me, mate
Yes Fergie is a cheat, everyone knows it, except for blinded Man U fans, he manipulates the F.A, refs, still players from other clubs,
Ronaldo? pls.. even he is aware he is a cheat, when he did it to Rooney playing for England, i bet you lot were upset,
It is funny you called Stevie G a thug.
What is Cantona the kung fu king?
What is Rio (the drug test missing, kicking on a WOMAN)
Have you read Jaap Stam’s book about Fergie encourages ManU players to cheat to win? I bet you haven’t. that is from one of your ex players.
You even know the date of Stevie G court case? ha ha ha.. thot Arsene was the only VOYEUR.
@ wazza
rafael beneath-us. lol. funny. Original too.. better than Fungushead, keep it up matey
Guys no one answers to Jon from now on.
Jon
My last words to you. How dare you call me dumb, you don’t even know me. Now fuck off
Some Man United v Liverpool jokes for your amusement/annoyance
Andrea Dossena is to join the Magic Circle. It comes after he made 60,000 Man Utd fans disappear on Saturday.
Manchester Police have asked for information to the whereabouts of Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo. They’ve been missing since 12:50pm on Saturday afternoon.
Costas
On a different note, is there any way I can give you my website address? we specalise in all forms of music
@ Knightsmith.. pls try and scroll up and read out all the nice words you have used to describe me, I am not bothered tho, I am a Liverpool fan, we have thick skin, I called you dumb and you are crying? Well at least you are supporting the right club, most of your players fall on the pitch as if a rocket was shot at them to earn a win.. scumbags…
Can’t you post the link here?
hey i have a great idea, 1 Liverpool fan and 1 Man U fan lets start a website of fans hating each other
We can really make money selling banners, Scott the red, let me know if you are in.
Cheeeerrrrs
costas are you on msn?
oh my god is this idiot still here. Jeez Scott if it’s possible to block someone, now is the time. fuck freedom of speech, this guys doin me nut in!
Fuck off to your own forums will ya, and leave us in peace.
Btw your spelling and grammar are that of a monkey.
Flame away….
No knightsmith i don’t have an account
I’ll give you the web address another time then, are you on facebook at all?
And you Billy
LOLOLOL @ Billy Meredith.
Fuck freedom of speech, this guys doin me nut in!
This is really the queen’s english, you should be proud of yourself. in the 4 lines you have written, you managed to use “ya, nuts, fuck, idiot” I wouldn’t be so proud of myself if i were you.
Jon – That comment is from the superb site called thisisanfield. The one run by that racist biased cunt Gerry? Muppet.
that’s how i talk knob-jockey
knightsmith i don’t have an account on facebook but i do enter from time to time using a friend’s account.Can you tell me what to look for?
King Eric, Yes it is from thisis anfield, I believe i posted the link. Is the site ran by a racist biased cunt as you have stated, I wouldn’t know.
I heard Benitez was seen in a shopping centre getting abuse from an old age pensioner, apparently she was struggling with a load of shopping ,and Benitez asked if she could manage.
The old woman shouted back “No way, you got yourself into this mess you fat inept fool, you can get yourself out of it”
Edit/Delete Message
so jon, you’ve probably had the best footballing week you are likely to have in some time. and to celebrate, you spend two days on a manchester united blog. I don’t get it. Havn’t you got anything better to do?!?
@ Billy Meredith
Oh you don’t have to justify how you talk to me, but remember those who live in a glass house shouldn’t be throwing stones, English is not my mother tongue, it is a second language for me, Can you any other language except for BAD ENGLISH??
At least I am more than fluent in my language. Wink Wink
costas
Just my name – trevor knightsmith. i’ll add you as a friend then i’ll give you the details of the site
Platini is gonna agree to change the dippers game because of Hillsborough.
King Eric
Platini is probably going to wait until Stevie Me comes out of prison.
there’s a surprise
Change what game?
hmmm even if i do not have anything better to do, how is that a concern of yours, shouldn’t I be free to do as i please with my time? focus on the subject of matter and not on my person. It is rather moronic to personalised the argument, as we have not met, neither do we know each other, at the end of the day, I am on the net because i have paid to have access, and if the adminstrator of the site believe the terms and condition of his/her are violated, I am sure, he ll give me a warning or block me, I think for some of you to question what I am doing on a Man U blog is lazy in thought.
I am here to defend Liverpool football Club just like you are here to defend your team.
Is it making sense now?
“It is rather moronic to personalised the argument”
beautifully written but what the fuck are you talking about. goodbye jon.
anyway guys, I don’t know about the rest of you but I’m feeling alot better today, i will never forget but at least i see it for what it is now, a blip. we’ve done ourselves so proud up to saturday, that wasnt in the script for sure, but it might help in the long run. they should have beaten us 1-0, cos i fear for the opposition, as we always bounce back twice as strong.
I can’t wait for the next match so we can exorcise this demon.
I’ll definately be watching it through new eyes.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/archivedirs/news/2009/mar/4/NG163483090304-1429.htm
Jon, you may as well talk to a lampost if you are looking for some sort of reasonable debate about footballing matters…
These idiots only know one thing – talking shite!!!
Scott constantly whips up pathetic little blogs and his little sycophants swallow it up like the good little lapdogs they are…
They’ve just witnessed their team hammered at home by their arch rivals and like their gutless manager, cannot accept that they were beaten by a better team on the day…
Credit where credit is due… not it seems when you’re Fergie or a Utd fan…
LOL, you fear for the opposition, Fulham? their whole squad is less than (Rooney and Barbatov)
I really wish you are playing Arsenal or Chelsea, Lets see if you ll be fearing for the opposition, It is always easy to fear for opposition that are in the lower end of the table, Let me think, you are going to go to Fulham with your over 200M squad and bully them, WOO HOO, that ll be such an achievement, you have done the club proud beating on fulham
were you ever a BULLY in school? just asking.
Si you know nothing about what has been talked about here in the last few days.Stop talking out of your ass.Eceryone here gave Liverpool credit.He didn’t go to the press conference because of what Sky did with the schedule.He did talk though and offered you congratulations.Did you losers do the same when you got thumped 3 and 4 nil at Old Trafford?No.So piss off.
Jon let it go mate.No one is taking you seriously anymore.
costas
Don’t humour the sad twat!
Ass talking is solely reserved for you guys costas!!!
Fergie’s attempt at some sort of congratulatory message was quite amusing…
Apparently, the best team lost on the day…
Surely that is a sign of cracking up?!
Thank you Si,
I have had discussions with Villa, Arsenal, Chelsea fans in the past, by and large they are a reasonable bunch, I can’t say the same for Man U fans, based on my experience of the last 3 days,
They do not believe in reasoning (head), most of arguments put forward were emotional based (heart)
For anyone to say Rafa has spent as much as ferguson in the transfer market is beyond silly.
We have JUST 2 over 15M pound players in Masch and Torres.
Man U.
Rio
rooney
Tevez (if bought)
Barbatov
Nani
Milli “Anderson” Vanilli
Hargraves
Carrick
How on earth do a reasonable man expect the same outcome when the disparity in the market is clear to see,
But hey, they are Man U fan’s. They only see thing from one side,
Most Liverpool fan’s ll tell you they do not like when Stevie G dives, Man U fans ll tell you, Ronaldo, Rooney and RVN never dives. I had to go on youtube to be able to convince my Man U friend that these guys ll earn gold medals if they were to compete in the olympics diving team.
this is how pathetic they are
Attempt?He gave you congratulations.What do you want him do?Kiss the feet of the man who badmouthed him 2 months ago?Don’t be naive.Look at this and tell me who was more gracious in defeat:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_3339560,00.html
We weren’t the best team but we didn’t deserve to lose either.Not after the spell we had before Vida got sent off.By the way,be sure that your overzealous search for as many goals as possible will not go unnoticed.Last year we could have scored 5 but didn’t.That should tell you something about which manager is magnamonous and who is a piece of shit.
To be fair Jon, this seems to be one of the more vitriolic Utd fan based sites around…
I work in Stockport and althought there’s plenty of these type of fans around here, I have met some fairly honest and decent Utd fans too…
It’s not like we don’t have our fair share of embarrassing fans also…
I guess it’s easy to follow the leader than have an independant, honest view of things…
I’ve seen what happens when a Utd fan tends to have his/her own opinion on here… they get vilified by their fellow fans…
@ Si,
How you see the pattern, if they do not get their way, tantrum is the next thing,
they have use words like twat, piss off, etc, as they lack the ability to argue intelligently.
I have asked several times for a Man U fan to send the total value of their squad in the last 3 days, I wouldn’t hold my breath . They are quick to say Liverpool have spent the same amount as Man U,
The rednose boss is quick to say Chelsea won because they spent, but Rafa is not allow to say that,
They are quick to say Kaka is not worth 100M but Rio is worth 30M 10 yrs ago,
they are quick to call Madrid the mob cos they wanted Ronaldo, but they go to other teams and take Carrick, Barbatov, Rio, Hargraves, Rooney, that isnt the behavior of Mobs..
right, don’t start with how much the team cost again, ferguson is very good with the cash, and while benitez has spent well in places, it’s more ‘trial & error’ than anything. I am proud of the way we have spent, as it is a result of being succesful in England & Europe, ffs you guys can’t afford your new stadium, yet FSW can waste millions because Keane wouldn’t bend over for him. Genius!!
Someone even said Ronaldo never wanted to leave. At least we are Liverpool knew Gerrard wanted out, we ll never deny that fact. Some Man U fan’s are still denying the fact that Ronaldo wants out, It is fun arguing with these guys tho… wonderful bunch…
So what is the point of coming to the vitriolic site Si?To be a twat?Congratulations then.Bravo for answering the post too.It’s funny how you Liverpool fans think that you are so gracious when your only explanation for United’s dominance is the money.
Billy
Just ignore them, who’s champions, and will be again in May?
http://www.lfchistory.net/stats_transfers_by_manager.asp?list=Get&manager_id=20&InOut=1
Again fergie is good with Cash simply because the dynamics is a different one, Fergie wants a RVN and he gets the cash to buy it,
Rafa wants a David villa, board tells him, sorry we dont have that sort of money, so he settles for a Bellamy or a Crouch.
Every manager is good with cash when you are paying 20 odd million for a player.
Rafa said that he prefered Robbie Keane to Villa.What a great coach.
Girls go and check how much we paid for Ian rush, Kenny Dalgish, Peter Bearlsey and co, we got these players from stockport and co.. not from the best teams around, that is what make our dominance more unique, we never broke bank.
Yourself and Chelsea can not say the same.
Costas
Ignore him, he’s never been to dipperland.
Costas
They never mention the years when they were bankrolled by John Moores (Littlewoods pools) do they? Selective scouse memories.
Villa never wanted to play in England, he wants to stay in sunny spain, so keep entertaining yourself and the rest of the sycophants making up stories,
Rafa wanted Barry, Parry signed Keane.
I’m a decent and honest United fan, long serving too, long before we ‘bought the league’ as you put it. But having scall’s on a site you’d like to share with like-minded reds, might just put us on the back foot don’t you think? I look forward to seeing you here when you next draw 0-0 at home, to see if you finally realise Rafa fucked it for you. You had a large lead over Manchester Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. What happened? Was it our money that caused you to underperform drastically, while we were off getting more prizes in Japan. No!
Well done for Saturday but it will be quickly forgotten (just like Pity at OT last year) as we march toward another string of trophies.
Bitch all you want, won’t change a thing.
costas & co. stop arguing wit those dippers.they have come on here to satisfy themselves
It’s an open site for people to post on, if I’m not mistaken costas…
Just look at what you and your fellow fans post… you struggle to argue anything constructively and resort to your usual slanging and slander of LFC and their fans…
I’m not niave to realise that we have fans who no doubt have a similiar attitude towards Utd as you do towards LFC… but on here, people seem to have a problem when faced with somebody who is actually reasonable.
@ Knightsmith.
Kindly provide the amount spent on each player and which clubs the players came from. the info are online…
do yourself a favour, search for british transfer record and out of the top 20, tell me how many times Man U are on the list compared to Liverpool,
6-1. and the one ? STAN COLLYMORE. 8.5M
These are facts.
and yes knightsmith i am trying to ignore him but… >_<
Jon doesn’t sound like the sun was the problem:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_3802081,00.html
Lying Scousers
Reasonable Si?Your fellow Scouser here has been telling us that money wins you titles.I gave him 3 examples:1)the title we won with kids in 96 when you bought Collymore.2)The Arsenal Invincibles in Abramovich’s first seasons.3)The United team of 07 who sold Ruud and stillo won the title while Chelsea had bought Ballack and Sheva.He still won’t answer.How can you be reasonable to a man who plays a cassete all the time?
Billy
Just ignore them. i’ve had the misfortune to have been born in scouseland so i know what is like.
I now live in Devon, the amount of scousers who live here is unbelievable, but there again, they would rather be on the dole at the seaside than in dipperland.
Ask the devon people what they think of scousers, and you will get the same answer everytime. They are thieving workshy drug taking scum, who are a scare on their beautifull county.
All they can whinge about is how much money united hasve spent, they are to thick to equate what thw aiter has spent, even given the facts
They seem to think th “John Moore years” never existed.
I couldn’t give a toss if be spend a billion pounds a player, we are champions, they are not.
Jon has probably never been to Anfield in his life but knows it all.
Fergie is good with money?? Are you sure?
Luke Steele
Diego Forlan
Laurent Blanc
Roy Carroll
Juan Veron 28M
Kieran Richardson
Ricardo
Fabien Barthez £7,800,000
Massimo Taibi £4,500,000
Quinton Fortune £1,500,000
Jesper Blomqvist 4.5M
Henning Berg £5,000,000
Jordi Cruyff £1,300,000
Karel Poborsky £3,500,000
Ole Solskjaer £1,500,000
Ronny Johnsen £1,200,000
Rai Van Der Gouw £500,000
Tony Coton £500,000
Louis Saha £12,820,000
Dong £500,000
Kleberson £5,930,000
Tim Howard £2,300,000
Eric Djemba-Djemba £3,500,000
David Bellion £2,000,000
Alan Smith £7,000,000
And Si of couse you have the right to here.I am just asking you why bother when we are all so vitriolic.I ask you to watch the posts from the past 3 days.We have been pretty kind to every LIverpool fan who has been respectful.The problem is with one particular Scouser who keeps saying the same thing over and over.
Jon, you do labour your point, it is now getting boring.
Knightsmith, I have been to anfield to watch the great games, Liverpool / chelsea, Liverpool / Arsenal. I dont travel from london to watch Liverpool fulham or wigan
Sorry I only watch the good teams…. KOP end too… all your money can’t buy the atmosphere at the KOP end…. I have witness it, I have felt the song YNWA the envy of all clubs all over the world.
Fergie 10 EPL’s (soon to be 11)
Benitez 0 (yes that’s none)
I think I kniow who’s best with money
Jon
Here’s one for you then. where was “You’ll never walk alone” first sung then?
By the way YNWA is an anagram
Well, I’m glad you manage to escape the city Knightsmith… I’m sure you are sorely missed!!!
I don’t think being born on the Wirral constitutes as being born in Liverpool… but, we only have your word for it huh…
Stephen, you know the deal, No pain no gain.
Bill we lost the lead simply because of the points i have stated for the 100th. LOOK at our bench. who is on our bench, Benayoun, Babel, Ngog, Agger, Donnesa
Take a look at your bench. Berbatov or Tevez, Nani, Anderson, giggs, Scholes
Can you spot the difference? you are probably not intelligent to spot it,
It is called depth in the squad, and that is a function of money. those players on your bench do not cost peanuts, they cost big money.
SI
I was born in Edge Hill, most scousers seem to escape the city judging by the amount we have in Devon
Jon,if you answer to me the question above about how United in 96,Arsenal in 04 and United in 07 won the title,i will become a season ticket holder at Anfield.Please,for once talk without using the cassete.Please.
@ knightsmith,
I have to say, I admire your simplistic approach to life, You think cos Fergie won 10 EPL, he is better than Wenger that won 3 a net spend of less than 20M over 10 yrs and a brand new stadium?
If you think this is the case you are surely not deep in thought.
Neville won 2 CL and 10 or so EPL.
Would you put him in the same class as Gerrard or Gazza or Henry?
Counts means nothing. Our CL in 2005 is much more memorable than the 3 you have won in the history of your club. FACT.
I don’t here anyone talking about Man U CL victory than Man U fan’s, Most ppl around the world still till today remember the event of that day.. Liverpool 3 nil down,
Rafa the great sent Gerrard to right back, Hamman came in to hold. and what happened? 3-3… i know you ll say it is luck, but guess what, quit your job, look into the sky and lets see if “luck” pays your mortgage at the end of the month.
@ Costa, you have just said you ll not reply me again.. about 2 hours ago precisely, LOL
How did Arsene won the EPL. trades…. he was very good in the transfer market, buying the Viera, Henry, Kanu, etc.. players that weren’t on top of their game at various clubs.
He didn’t go cherry picking the best from all clubs, breaking transfer records and calling himself great.
Right, so who are these imposters walking around Liverpool at the moment – immigrants or people from outside Liverpool?
Liverpool does have very deprived areas (I was raised in one of them – Norris Green) but almost all towns/cities have these type of areas also…
It’s very narrow minded of you to suggest that EVERY scouser has or wants to leave Liverpool…
But, enough of the geography lesson…
So what you are saying is that Rafa isn’t good in the transfer market.Thank you for answering.And you also forgot the UNited teams of 96 and 07.Full of money weren’t they?Especially the 96 one.That Beckham must have cost…0 pounds.I want to talk to you but only when yuu speak outside the cassete.
Jon – seriously, you are so boring. Who gives a shit which final was more memorable. I’d take a 1-0 in the dullest game in history if it meant we were European champions again.
I have never known a scouser to set up camp like you have done here. Closet United fan or what. Why else would you spend your every waking moment on a United blog talking to United fans? Odd.
ha ha ha, they can’t argue football intelligently, now they move the goal post to Geography…
Do you need a diver or a dodgy referee to win the argument for you… that is how most of your titles were won…
I am sure dodgy calls is an additional 10 points for Man U every season..
Jon
I’ve paid my mortgage off by doing something called “work” look it up. It’s where i’ve got to go to now.
I said yesterday I agreed with you the Wenger was a good manager. Your 2005 win was memorable, fair do’s, an exciting game to watch.
It is also memorable for other things as well isn’t it? but no doubt you’ll ignore those.
Also, wasn’t it the wonderful Liverpool fans that got all the English teams banned from Europe for five years; but that wasn’t your fault either was it.
Really must go to work shortly, no doubt you’ll be on here tomorrow, speak then
Scott. If I were so boring, 100s of you would not be replying to my rant, would they now?
Well i am very open minded, so You’re absolutely entitled to express your own opinion on this site, no matter how stupid it might sound.
Still waiting for an answer Jon
laterz peeps!
Knightsmith, I suppose you are assuming i do not work. again, it is your right to express your views… doesn’t bother me.
At end of the day… there are 2 things that ll make Man U fan’s happy.
Title number 19 and CL number 5.
Some of us are born to set records, some of us are born to chase records…
you be the judge. It should be a shame that Fergie made a career trying to break Liverpool’s record, what is next after breaking Liverpool’s record?
Madrid, AC and Bayern? you claimed to be the best in the world. but your record is not even as good as Liverpool, Madrid, AC, and Bayern.
Legendary stuff… 2 champions league medal in 23 yrs. You lot to write a book about it.
Ok guys.No one answers to Jon anymore.Certifiable liar.
Jon
Really must go to work now.
Please get for facts right, I think you’ll find it’s two champions league medals in the last 10 years. 1999 and 2008, I don’t know where you get 23 from, probably thinking about your IQ.
You ought to write books, i wouls suggest fantasy, because that’s all you dippers can do fantasise.
Keep battling for third place won’t you?
LOL.. where are the lies…? You just can’t handle the truth. You are not the first,
Fergie has been manager of Man U for how many year? It is 10 now? funny you mentioned IQ,
I think Rafa is been judged on 4.5 yrs… So it is reasonable to judge Fergie on 10?
Pls do not expose your self. Fergie took over in 1986. 2009 minus 1986 is 23. I know these sort of high level mathematics are rocket science to you, so you are allowed.
Knightsmith, for real.. No disrespect, if my IQ is 23, yours ll be lower.
come on just look at the basis for most of your arguments. baseless and thoughtless are what comes to mind when describing your emotional based argument.
Jon, turn off your computer and go make friends with some fellow Dippers. Seriously.
Liverpool beat us fair and square, no doubt about it, and I’ve had to take it on the chin from my Scouse friends, not to mention assorted Chelsea fans , Gooners etc, who all had a good laugh. I accept it as the price you pay for ‘football, eh? bloody hell!’ But now it’s time to move on, forget about the bad result,and start thinking about how to help United . First let’s cut out the demonising of individual players who under-performed on Saturday, however much you dislike them. I’ve made the point before, we’ll only add to the pressure if we don’t get behind the team against Fulham. It’s not unlikely Fulham will take the lead, as Johnson’s certainly going to launch himself at our central defence from the kick-off. That’ll be the testing point, 1-0 down , everyone wondering if United have ‘lost’ it. That’s when we must get behind the team, not start groaning every time O’Shea (or whoever) makes a nervous mistake. It’s up to everyone to play their part, and not leave the stadium before the end , even if United are losing. The Old Trafford ‘faithful’ who left before the end on Saturday should hang their heads in shame. In 51 years of supporting United I have never, ever, left before the end, and I’ve seen some right old batterings in my time. So come on everyone, do your part.
Oh and Jon, you made some good points, and managed a few good shafts of wit, but you ended up being incredibly tedious, especially with your repeated errors of fact and faulty reasoning. Making the same points over and over doesn’t really work as a way of arguing. I’m happy for you that you have so much time to spend on such things, but is there really nothing else in your life? I think I can guess the answer, but to understand your problem more fully I may need to read some more Freud.
@ Giles Oakley,
Good piece,
You mentioned the errors of fact and faulty reasoning, I think you might have been more credible if you have provided some of the your facts to show the error,
Faulty reasoning is a subject, I wouldn’t even dignify, someone think the best team didn’t win on sat, and most here thing Rafa has spent more or as much as Fergie, so that is very subjective, it all depends on which side you are.
It is fair to assume there is nothing else going in my life, as long as my bills are paid, i don’t really think what i do with my time is any of your business.
The last time someone suggested reading Freud, we know exactly what happened. So be my guest. let me know when you are done reading
Colbert,
As stated earlier, I have websites, so me on the PC and online is my livelihood, I wouldn’t go as far as advising you on what to do or not do, as it is not my business.
But I have noticed in my 30 yrs.. that most people that gives advise on what others should do with their lives are the ones who really needs to sort their life out.
hmm this is march, and I have been to Geneva, Costa rica, and planning another trip for april, both business/pleasure, I am sure most of you ll swap your life for my boring one. you do not have to admit it,
Jon- that handle on your door, turn it, pull the door, walk through the door and carry on until there is a sky above your head…there’s a whole world out there mate
Giles is bang on again, Jon you have become exceedingly tedious. Who gives a fuck about your trips to “Costa Rica” you cunt. Do one.
you lot asked about what i do with my life, So i thought it is only fair to answer best to my ability…
If you do not want the answer to a question, then don’t ask. Plain and simple, but if you ask, I ll tell you.
Don’t know about Costa Rica, but I’ve been to Wembley this year. Have you Jon?
How pathetic, wakes up on at 5:50 and the first thing he does is so post on a United website. Sad or what? You should go join those deluded inbreds like you on RAWK. Thats really the place for you.
In all fairness scott, berbatov is lazy at times and its something which is the opinion of a hell of a lot of people (including sir bobby charlton may i add)
I heard he is also the last to training and the first to leave
318 comments..the most ever on this site…and i have been reading the blog since its inception. And a dipper contributed about 200+ comments on A MANCHESTER UNITED SITE.
WHAT..WHAT A SAD TWAT…LOL
Blimey id feel physically sick even looking at that vermin…let alone living there on there site.
What a saddo…like there team and club and the FSW…obsessed by us.
Dippers…..deluded as always
” I have been to Geneva, Costa rica, and planning another trip for april, both business/pleasure, I am sure most of you ll swap your life for my boring one…and I have a masters …bla…bla…and I mention raping men every chance I get…bla…bla.”
Is your self-esteem that low ? Im goint to change my user name to Jon Ferry
Jon I really don’t want to get bogged down with you but I have just read the below post and it is a nonsense.
“Fergie is good with money?? Are you sure?
Luke Steele
Diego Forlan
Laurent Blanc
Roy Carroll
Juan Veron 28M
Kieran Richardson
Ricardo
Fabien Barthez £7,800,000
Massimo Taibi £4,500,000
Quinton Fortune £1,500,000
Jesper Blomqvist 4.5M
Henning Berg £5,000,000
Jordi Cruyff £1,300,000
Karel Poborsky £3,500,000
Ole Solskjaer £1,500,000
Ronny Johnsen £1,200,000
Rai Van Der Gouw £500,000
Tony Coton £500,000
Louis Saha £12,820,000
Dong £500,000
Kleberson £5,930,000
Tim Howard £2,300,000
Eric Djemba-Djemba £3,500,000
David Bellion £2,000,000
Alan Smith £7,000,000″
Whilst I accept that some of those buys have not been SAF S best please tell me what is wrong with the following purchases:-
Smith
Ole
Van Der Gouw
Howard
Johnsen
Saha (ok injuries but a top player when fit)
Berg
Richardson
Blanq
?
Maybe he is off to the Swiss Alps on holiday, or maybe he’s too busy thinking about raping men.
this cunt jon still breathing???? fucking great
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