Eden Hazard has confirmed he will be joining Chelsea this summer. The talented youngster, who currently plays for Lille, has spent the past few weeks teasing the press with little snippets of information about where his future lay.
“My decision will depend on my position and how much playing time I will get,” he claimed last week.
Interesting that he’s chosen to join a team who doesn’t have a confirmed manager for next season, so couldn’t possibly be given any assurances of which position he would play in and how much time he would get.
His decision obviously has nothing to do with the fact the team he wants to play for, the 3rd best in London, has the largest wage bill in England…
Man Utd News 24/7
now what ??? will united try harder to get KAGAWA ?
Little shit can go to hell… After seriously comparing him and Kagawa, I made my mind up a week ago that I preferred the japanese lad, but I seriously hope Hazard breaks his leg in the first game for Chelski, just because the way he has been toying around with his suitors… Little shit…
I told you all.
Thank God, cannot stand the guy.
Oh well…
Now that the Dirty Rentboys are signing Hazard, and have already signed Marko Marin and have Juan Mata on their books, and Fat Frank et al. aren’t going anywhere since they run the club, surely this leaves the field clear for us to make an attempt to sign Luka Modric…? Please? Surely we have more need of Modric than we would have done for Hazard?
And where does it say chelsea on twitter it says champions league winner.and I can’t see how any club would let him announce it on twitter very strange.
I am actually very happy with this outcome. The way he was selling himself killed it for me. Never a United player. This truly is the year of the cunt lol
Think we just dodged a bullet:) he has a lot to prove and if joining a team that under normal circumstances would not be in the CL is the height of his ambition then good riddance!
We cant attract the best players anymore..now arsenal are favourites to land Kagawa.
Well at least this won’t be a long drawn out transfer saga, but on the other hand…damn! How many players are we going to miss out on? I don’t think we need a major overhaul..but we do need a couple of key players who are ready and able to come in and make a difference straight away. I sure hope the the kagawa to united whispers are true.
Hazard thinks he will play Ramires’ wing?
As soon as sponge started this merry dance about where he might be going, the colour of the shirt hr might be wearing I knew he wasn’t a United player. TRUE united players dint give anyone else a second thought.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the little prick says “I meant I’m joining A Champions League winner”, and says he’s joining United. The guys seems like a prick like that.
I agree with portugeseprincess
Always bet on what the good Ladies say
All time and effort should be put towards trying to convince Kagawa that he wasn’t second choice to Hazard now. We just have to accept that we aren’t going to sign foreign players that Chelsea, City, Real or Barca want.
Whether you like the players behaviour or not, let’s not hide away from the fact that yet again, another top player turns down united. I’m sorry, this is shit!!!!
I am really surprised so many of us actually thought he might join. Despite what he said money was a key motivator as is with most players owise how can he join a team where they can’t even tell him who the manager is let alone where he will play. Secondly we have no money. The glazers did the usual let’s put a bid in, we know he will go elsewhere, it is renewals time after all. Inspite of the Glazers SAF will do his best to keep our great team there or there abouts.
Samuel
You did mate you did.
Redsam
Probably not far off the truth mate
OH NOOOO…….!!!
We’re DOOOMED..!!!
Its disappointing as he looked like a future number 7. Don’t get me wrong, the way he has acted has been pathetic but that’s what footballers are like. Not really sure who will be our number 7 now!?
Not really that bothered about modric to be honest. He’s a very good player but is a natural successor to carrick rather than set the world alight. We’ll need to do some serious searching now! I like the look of kagawa but that is a long way off being enough! Fuck Baines. He’s shit!
I also agree with andykong
If you were a certain King I’d tell you to go Kong Smash Hazard!
Get over yourselves guys, don’t try and pretend like we didn’t want him here just because he’s chosen somewhere else ahead of us! No wonder people call us Utd fans fickle. It really is sad to see all of the hindsight “told you so” keyboard warriors about these days, who always knew what’s right all along!
@schoie18 – Sky Sports revelaed that Chelsea allowed him to announce it on his Twitter as long as he never gave any interviews.
@AllUtdFans – Stop b*tching and just accept that your club has had its success and will now struggle to win things for years to come. You will become the new Liverpool when Fergie retires.
Keegan
I agree. We might have dodged a bullet on this one- for all his talent, Hazard has been acting like a prick all month, but it’s just worrying how easily CIteh and Chel$ki outmuscle us with their absurd wages and Real with their glitz and glamour.
“we are skinned.”
“We can’t attract players anymore.”
“we have no penny.”
“gill is a liar.”
“doom!”
Are we fucking finished?
Arsenal are not favorites for Kagawa. If they don’t want to pay around 20m for M’vila why should they pay 16-20m for Kagawa who’s in his last year of the contract?
Not happening.
Kagawa is joining United. I’m absolutely sure.
Obviously Hazard has gone for the money and it must be some obscene amount if even cittee pulled out.
Twats like him are exactly the sort of player that will soon completely ruin football.
In any case how good is he? I haven’t read about any top Continental clubs trying to sign him so he can’t be that hot.
I’d rather we promoted our youth players or bought lesser known players like Newcastle have done very successfully than waste money on disgustingly high wages for a mercenary. United are a fans’ club not a rich bastard’s hobby.
United for ever.
Red sam ,couldn’t agree more,, stuck with the same shit again, can’t believe it, were after some lad from crew, that’s our level , we can’t compete, love the guys on here saying glad we didn’t get hazard, bunch of clowns,it goes to show how bad it is when he picks a team 5 th in the league , anyway we’ve still got giggs and scholes…
I don’t give a shit about Hazard… he might be worth the hype and become the best player… but I am fed up of the lacklustre signings… all this bullshit that we make stars, we don’t buy them… I will always be thankful to Fergie but fuck his lying… need I remind you we didn’t sign Sneijder because we needed to give Pogba game time or he would leave… We neither gave him the adequate playing time his “talent” deserved and we lost him and Sneijder. Now of all the days I never thought I would see in my life, THE MUST HAVE PLAYER of the transfer window, has chosen fucking Chelsea. We have been dying and crying out for an attacking midfielder with the ability to make a difference in the final third in big games, a talent which wouldn’t have us resort to the pathetic tactics we employed at the Etihad. Any United fan thinking we could do better is having a laugh, also to you idiots trying to justify Kagawa as a better player than Hazard are delusional. There is a reason no one is banging down Dortmund’s door to sign him, while we and the two superclubs were held to ransom by a player. Call him a mercenary or an egocentric twat, it doesn’t matter. Fact is we are slowly falling into the pitfalls that the Liverpool team of the 80′s thought they were immune to. I don’t even want to renew my season ticket now such is my disgust. Valid points made in the initial post, but what does it say about us, that a young shining light of european football, praised for his attacking verve and prodigal talents chose manager-less Chelsea who are the 6th best team in England ahead of us. Whether the factor was money or location is immaterial, long gone are the days where the words “Theatre of Dreams” sent electricity through a players veins. David Gill was talking about selling the history of the club and that we can compete, I don’t believe it. I don’t think we were ever able to compete, as a club we generate more revenue than any other franchise in the world, are the most recognisable sporting franchise, yet we cannot compete with the clubs in our own backyard (City and Chels) yet Fergie promised us after embarrassing us for the 2nd time against Barcelona that we would be back, what a laughable comment that now seems. Lets worry about champions league qualification next year because we wont go past the last 16 in Europe, and we wont win anything. So for every real fan not the plastics who love this club, the buck doesn’t stop with Gill, the Glazers, the player’s but lets remember that Fergie has allowed this to happen. I long for the day when I can say GGMU with any real belief. Sadly empires crumble, I just wish Fergie remembered how he knocked Liverpool off their perch, I don’t know about you but I’m getting a sense of deja vu.
Mr.Gill.. Please take note. Whatever you say is Bull Sh###… we cannot compete with the rent boys and Citeh on the transfer market. If your hands are tied when it comes to money because of the Damn Glazers… say nothing. Fact we cannot compete in the transfer market. No investment…. No Success….No money in Glazers coffers = Sell Nani,Rooney and the best we have. I`m Gutted.
Some players don’t want to come to United, United have still carried on
Should we now as supporters bend over backwards for such players?
We have a standard to keep – one which will always carry on
And it will so next year after learning from our mistakes this year
We could do with Kagawa – we could certainly do with a proper midfielder… It’s Hazards loss he chose Chelsea. Not ours.
It was always about the money. As for playing time, he wasn’t guaranteed much of it at United with Nani and Valencia around…
Oh here we fucking go moaning about the glaizers again. He agreed terms with all three clubs so moneys not the issue. If the little ballbag wants to go to Chelsea that’s his fucking loss. People here have been waiting in line to suck this guy off for weeks saying how good he was and now all of a sudden they never wanted him because he’s shit. Fuck hazard and any other player that doesn’t want to be a part of the biggest club in the world
Let me explain for you. Eden just started lessons yesterday.
position = sallary
time = prostitutes
“My decision will depend on my position and how much playing time I will get,”
So it should go like this:
“My decision will depend on my sallary and how much playing prostitutes I will get”
You’ve moved to the right club Eden. We will just love to see you next to mama boy Traitores next season.
And, in case you didn’t know: King Terry has a claim on your girlfriend/wife/fiance. Your first night in London, she’s all his…
Dela
Fact is we agreed terms.nothing to do with wages. He picked Chelsea. The reality is we cannot attract the best players and people on here always say “he’s not a united player anyway” – if Eden hazard isn’t united quality than neither is 90% of our squad!!
I really hope he won’t get injured at Wembley on Saturday……;) Over to you Steve Mee…!!
MG
Well put. Hazard’s loss. We carry on.
After the swiftness with which Fergie got rid of Ravel, I was amazed we were in the running for this guy. Incredibly talented alright, but three good seasons in a shit league and he already thinks he is a demi-god. Twunt.
Look at the bright side
We have the money to sign Neymar
Come on SAF MG wants this transfer!
Here comes the negative shite……….
dela
Thank you
Come on Bale! You know you’ve always wanted to come to United CL football and all
Firstly, to the idiots saying we can’t compete in the transfer market, it’s confirmed we had a bid accepted for Hazard. His fee is widely believed to be £32 million. It’s also widely believed that Hazard’s agent wanted £6 million for his services, which United AND City rightly said fuck off to. Hazard is a superb talent, superb, the “he only plays in France” comments are just bitter and embarrasing. Chelsea have got a star, they’ve also got the ultimate attention seeking prima donna judging by his behaviour in the past month.
2 weeks ago Hazard said “I will be playing in Manchester next season”. A few days ago he said his decision would be entirely based on footballing reasons and whether he would play his preffered role through the middle. Today he announces, before the actual club, on fucking Twitter, that he’s signing for the 6th best team in England where they already have Mata doing a fine job in that number 10 role.
Not a fucking chance would Fergie accept any of his potential signings acting like a twat and fucking ‘revealing’ his new club on a social network. It’s difficult to comprehend just how much of a cunt Hazard has made himself look. Chelsea offered bigger wages and were prepared to give in to his agent, he’s an Abromovich signing.
I won’t comment on his ability, because I don’t know him. But I said last week that I didn’t like the way he was handling this, basically whoring himself out, virtually conducting a public auction the little shit, and we don’t want someone like that at our club. This guy will be out for more money at every opportunity, and probably in public too. Fuck that for a joke.
However, I will note that when he says he’s joining the Champions League winners, strictly speaking that phrase doesn’t does not exclude us. It excludes Shitty, but he didn’t say the current CL champions, just a club that has won the CL. Which we have. Three times. It’s doubtful, of course. But if he is “playing games” once again and is actually intending to join us, I still say he’s not the sort of player we should want.
Like STR, my first thought was: he wants guaranteed playing time but the rent boys don’t even have a manger yet? Doesn’t make sense. But then I realized it does make sense, because he will have been his guarantee by the Russian oil crook himself. And of course that’s how the rent boys are run. Have we all forgotten those stories about team sheets being faxed to the manager? About players bought and sold (mostly bought) without the manager’s knowledge, let alone his consent? What a shit way to run a club. Would never happen at OT. And Ferguson quite rightly would never guarantee anyone anything, especially before they’ve even joined the club.
@Red Sam … hold that thought. I am sure we made a good offer to Hazard. And if this is the way he’s going to carry on, I’m glad we didn’t get him. You are assuming we can’t compete for financial reasons. And maybe that’s true. I’ve said many times, no one can compete with the playboy billionaires who run clubs like the rent boys and shitty, so just get over it. But even if we could, maybe SAF wouldn’t want to compete on that basis. Management by cheque-book? No thanks. Not if it means paying over the odds for whores like this. I’ve generally defended players’ right to strike a hard bargain, but if you ask me, Hazard’s handling of this is bang out of order.
Where’s Cedars when you need him?
Off in bed!
we are the only team which made an offer for kagawa.(source german magazine kicker a very reliable source).
dont know why people think arsenal are favourites to sign him thats absolute bollocks.
-saf watched kagawa a couple of times even one day before our game against sunderland
-kagawa met saf
-we made an offer around 13millions.
for me it seems like we are in”pole position” to sign him…
MG
Indeed. I have already signed Bale, Neymar, Modric and M’VIla on Football Manager. What are Fergie and Gill doing?
Ok lets be positive and end up empty handed like this year……I cannot stand to see those three teams winning domestic and european honours again next year.
G’day Down Under Aussie
Ah not to worry mate – I’m sure our plan is still in place
Totally agree on the whoring bit though
Fact is united arent appealing. Hazard sees scholes gigs extend contracts and pogba and ronaldo leave….. And you can chat all you want about history and the babes, but unless you’re trying to sign Gary Neville, no one cares. They want glory and they don’t see that happening at United.
Not negative, just the reality.
People saying, we can’t compete with Chelsea and city’s wealth? Duh! Of course you clowns! They’ve got billionaire owners. We’ve got debt. Still haven’t done too badly though. Fergie is a genius. He’ll have something else lined up. My guess is, the club knew Hazard’s choice for a while. Expect United to move quickly for other targets. Just stop with all the doom and gloom ffs.
… and who said that he is joining Chelsea??? I’m not able to find an official announcement :S
You keep saying he agreed terms with all clubs. When did united confirm this? are you saying this to make yourself feel better because that’d be understandable. Hazard was always joining chelsea, the blue fuckers winning the champions league only gave him more of a reason and assurance that he hasn’t just picked the money.
dela
I didn’t sign Modric I signed – wait for it – Sneijder!
Plus all you mentioned
Maybe we should become the new SAF and Gill!
Why is Hazard a cunt? The media created the circus and he played it like a puppet master. Chosen London and cash over Manchester and history. Am I bothered no like I said he owed united fuck all. Am I concerned yes I can’t remember the last time we set the transfer market alight. We only buy prospects now that is what we do
Why the hell are people so upset that Hazard choosed renties than us? Have u lot ever seen him play? Or just watch some Youtube’s videos & read the tabloids? Arrogant twat. People talking about Ronaldo’s arrogant tendecy, WELL at least he’s proven world class NOT some pony attention seeking.
I’m so fuckin glad we didnt sign him!
Get two fucking quality midfielders and use nani properly – Its v simple – exit park and Anderson -
Yes we are shit so why would anyone choose us?
Keegan – it’s his attitude that’s not United quality.
@ iDon Check this out : https://twitter.com/hazardeden10
Giggs12…..
Absolutely spot on!!! Prospects like bellion, bebe, obetan, pogba, manucho, dong, Anderson, …….sick and tired.
Willie – expect united to move quickly for other targets? Ha ha! Just like after we lost out to nasri and scheijder??? The fact is our transfer dealings have been a shambles for the last 3 years. And no chicharito is not a success yet and Still is a prospect.
I wanted him but fuck hazard, bring on juan manuel iturbe, kagawa, clyne, a left back as competition for evra and possibly modric
P.s. Everyone stop slitting your whists, we have the money but yet all it takes is a tosser with his head so far up his own arse he needs atleast 200k a week to bring it back out again for you all to start slating the club you all aparently love? I say release vidic on him next season to welcome him to england
Also with the amount of tricks hes pulled on the press i wouldnt be surprised if theres another twist along the way as he never actually names chelsea
MG
Haha, I wonder how long it will be until the wee Wes saga resumes this summer. Inter are out of the Champions League, arent they?
We won’t get him, of course. We’ll go out and sign a 15year old Peruvian wonderkid and give Giggsy another year… And yet we will pip the billionaires to the title with a transfer budget on par with that of Stoke City.
Football is so darn predictable
How ling before Arry redknap is on tv saying ” spurs were in fir him but we couldn’t afford his wages”
Maybe there’s no value in the market?
Dont worry ffs we still have Giggs and Scholes.
Fred- we signed Rooney didn’t we? Hazard is 22 he’ll grow up.
Always the same.
We don’t get a player and suddenly we are skinned and can’t compete.
We finished 2nd on points without our fucking captain! And the most injuries in the league.
So fuck right off if you think we can’t compete.
And I rather have an ageing Paul Scholes than a fucking Gareth Barry.
In decline since 1993
And proud of it
dela
This shite about us not being able to compete really fucks me off. The camel-fucker has an estimated $20 billion in his personal bank acount. That’s $1,000,000 multiplied by 20,000. Or, to put it another way, he could spend $1 million every day of the year, for more than 54 years, before he used it all up (except of course, there’s more going in all the time, so he would never run out). And that doesn’t include the funds his extended family have, or the “business investment firm” he runs, which has funds of over $1 trillion (that’s a million dollars, multiplied a million times over; at that rate, he could spend $100 million a day, every day for 27 years). The russki has about 10 billion.
The only way we could ever compete against individuals with that sort of money is if we too were owned by one of them. But if that was the case, then we too would have to suffer an owner who personally decides which players to buy or sell, and tells the “manager” what players to select for a match. I can guarantee it, because the sort of people who build fortunes like that are not the sort of people who allow others to make decisions. When someone like that buys a football club, it’s because he wants to indulge his “passion” for football. It’s a distraction for them. A play-thing. And they will play with it. You can be sure of that.
You know what? If that’s the price of “being able to compete” in the transfer market, stick it up your arse. It would destroy this club. It would be an enduring stain on our proud and glorious history and traditions. And no manager worth his salt would hang around for 5 minutes under a regime like that.
From a May 19th Telegraph article:
“Both Manchester City and Manchester United are interested in signing the player but have been put off by the exorbitant demands being made by Hazard’s representatives.
Well-placed sources have revealed that he is asking for wages of £4.6million net, which means an annual outlay of about £9 million for a club. That is a weekly salary of roughly £170,000.
There are also issues surrounding the commission being demand by agents involved in the deal. One source said that it could be as much as £6 million, another factor that would put off City and United.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9277220/Champions-League-final-2012-Chelsea-take-a-step-closer-to-signing-highly-rated-Lille-forward-Eden-Hazard.html
His agent wanted stupid wages for his client and a nice £6m bung for himself. Chelsea were the only club willing to match these ludicrous demands. That’s why they got him, end of fucking story.
Kagawa is a terrific player. He’s very versatile and bloody quick with great vision. And to top it off, he’s got a decent scoring and assist record for a midfielder. 13 mil bid was rejected, BVB are looking for 16 and it’s said that we’ll be pursuing it this week and finalizing it. We’ve been tracking him for a couple of years now.
I know Nasri, but who’s that second player meant to be, Keegan? Let me say sorry on behalf of Fergie and United for not securing those marquee signings for you.
I love that Down Under Aussie bloke
He speaks like me he does
What a mate
Well thank fuck that saga is over.
We were never in it for Hazard. He said he was going to be playing in blue weeks ago, then said it will be in Manchester. He used our name to get a bigger pay day and the press ran with it to sell more papers.
Pathetic I bet we’ll read tomorrow his twitter account was “hacked” by his little sister after cit-eh offer him an extra 100k per week.
Lets get this Kagawa deal done and any other transfers before the Euros. If there’s anyone we’re interested in who has a good Euros we won’t have the financial muscle to bid for him.
@ zelh. Finishing 2nd is like finishing 3rd or 4th. you get into Champions league but win nothing. I agree with you, I prefer Scholes than Barry ,but lets be realistic if we do not invest we cannot compete. Playing two players totaling 75 years between them is not an investment.
He says he want the No.10 role, well, he wont get that bcoz the chavs already has better & proven player in Mata for that role.
@keegan:
we also signed vidic, evra, chicha, ronaldo, smalling for pretty small number of money, DONT FORGET THAT!!
Oh, people who know nothing but glory can fuck off (maybe u too, if u’re one of them)
Willie
Never apologises on his behalf but always from others
That’s my good man
hello everyone
The more I hear of this man, the more I dislike him
He seems more interested in his personal brand and personal glory rather than being part of a team.
kagawa will join us i have no doubt about that,if we have realy agree £35m for hazard,i think we could get bale for this amount
Keegan – it has nothing to do with growing up. The way he has publicly disrespected United is a disgrace. I’m disappointed in the club for not distancing themselves from the little wanker and his attention-seeking charade.
Still no *official* word from Chelsea, Lille or anyone else on Eden Hazard’s future
I remember when Ballack chose Chelski over utd so he could win league titles, hope Hazard is as successful with one fucking FA cup after 4 yrs….cunt doesn’t even know who’s managing the team this season not 2 meantion who’ll b managing them the following season
Willie it’s not about securing the signings. The fact is united wanted them and they didn’t want united. A growing trend by the looks of things.
Just to let you know.
German media outlet Kicker has in tomorrow’s print version that Kagawa completed a deal. They don’t name a club.
Done and dusted.
Quick someone see if Joey Barton is available next season, he fucking quality and just what we need. Aldo someone get Dennis Irwin on the phone and see if he fancys a couple of games.
http://TheBusbyWay.com/2012/05/28/picture-the-madness-of-eden-hazard-in-quotes/
Keegan
So what?
I don’t understand – if you are a Manchester United fan like us all – you still want United right?
So what? You me anyone of us are not privy to what SAF does behind closed doors – I’m sure he’ll find whatever he wants to find.
I don’t quite understand – it’s been happening for years – after Ronaldinho – I’ve never trusted a fucking player – for me it’s been over since then – I’ve had 9 years of fucking peace – I don’t understand why you can’t get that…
Better players haven’t chosen United – in such years we’ve always found ways to come back.
I can’t understand some of the stuff on here… maybe I’m older and can see things a lot better – I don’t know…
@Zelh
Cheers mate. At least we are losing all our targest relatively soon this summer.
*targets*
Zelh- it better be us!
Can’t think of someone else.
German media never reported of any other team putting in a bid for Kagawa.
Only United.
lol what a ridiculous decision. They FLUKED a Champions League victory and probably will never win it again – i.e Aston Villa. All this has done has masked over an extremely poor season for Chelsea and we’ll be waving to you as you finish below us next year Hazard. Idiot.
Let’s get Kagawa and others that want to play for us anyway.
Keegan – Read StatesideAussies blinding post at 21.58? Absorb it, my friend. Stop panicking. We’ll be ok. We tried for him, it didn’t work out. We have to respect ourselves as a club. Chelsea have no morals, when signing players. Look at how they signed Obi Mikel? It’s a new age, mate. I’d still rather lose with United, than win with city or Chelsea. That might be a romantic view, but it’s my opinion. There will be other players. Trust me.
MG … cheers mate. God forbid that we should ever be run that way. I have followed this club through thick and thin for 45 years. Through relegation and back again. I’ve only ever seen us play live once, back in the early 90s, at Highbury (where we won 1-0 thanks to Mark Hughes). That’s just my lot in life. But I worship this club. Not the players. Not even the manager. Just the ideal of it. The story of it. The tradition. The history. I’ve sat in bars in Thailand and asked locals to translate the local paper for me, because I can see a United player in a photo accompanying a story. I’ve used the radio in India for news, watched match broadcasts in more foreign languages than I can remember, in hotel rooms around the world. I’ve shared beers and swapped stories with United fans throughout Asia, Europe, North America and Australia.
And I’m not saying this to big-note myself. I’m saying it to make the point that I have been totally committed to this club for my entire life. But I can honestly say, if we were run the way Shitty or the rent boys are run, that might do it for me. It’s one thing I couldn’t put up with.
Funny TheCANTONA but no one seemed to call me a gloryhunter in the 70s and 80s
I can understand some people frustrations about missing out on quality players to other clubs with more money. Couple of people have said we may as well forget about it if chelski, cit-eh, Real or Barca are involved. That may be true but its hardly anything new is it?
Years ago Marcelo Salas turned us down to move to Lazio. I mean who the fuck are Lazio they aren’t as big as United not even the biggest club in Italy. He went for money like lots of players did. Clubs have always offered stupid wages difference is its happening in England now with chelski and cit-eh. We found a way then by signing someone called Yorke after another top striker Kluivert turned us down to go to Barca.
We’ll find a way we always do but have to act quickly and sign someone who is the finished article and not a “prospect” even I think we’ve had too many of those signings over the last 5 years.
Did everyone see that?
Down Under Aussie did it again
Willie … as usual, you have the knack of being able to say in a few words, what takes me forever. “We have to respect ourselves as a club.” Says it all.
@StatesideAussie
really sums up what a true united fan is
Firstly, to the idiots saying we can’t compete in the transfer market, it’s confirmed we had a bid accepted for Hazard. His fee is widely believed to be £32 million. It’s also widely believed that Hazard’s agent wanted £6 million for his services, which United AND City rightly said fuck off to. Hazard is a superb talent, superb, the “he only plays in France” comments are just bitter and embarrasing. Chelsea have got a star, they’ve also got the ultimate attention seeking prima donna judging by his behaviour in the past month.
2 weeks ago Hazard said “I will be playing in Manchester next season”. A few days ago he said his decision would be entirely based on footballing reasons and whether he would play his preffered role through the middle. Today he announces, before the actual club, on fucking Twitter, that he’s signing for the 6th best team in England where they already have Mata doing a fine job in that number 10 role.
Not a fucking chance would Fergie accept any of his potential signings acting like a twat and fucking ‘revealing’ his new club on a social network. It’s difficult to comprehend just how much of a cunt Hazard has made himself look. Chelsea offered bigger wages and were prepared to give in to his agent, he’s an Abromovich signing. They’ve no manager there (other than Lionheart John Terry obviously), no plan, shithouse of a stadium, cunty fanbase. If he’d have joined City he’d be getting money and challenging for titles, at Chelsea it’s purely money. Fuck him. Hazard wants to play in the number 10 role, they’ve already got Mata, they’ve already signed Marko Marin and De Bruyne who can play on both wings, Sturridge, Ramires. The new manager will need to find a way to play them all, which isn’t possible, the players will still run the club and he’ll be sacked in his first year as per usual. Hazard has proved to be a true mercenary, life goes on.
Fergie will wrap up the Kagawa deal pretty quickly now, expect him to be a United player after he gets back from the Japanese squad. Probably £15 million at the most, wonderful creative attacking central midfielder, he’ll be our Silva. Highly marketable in terms of merchandise. The type of player that can play and be effective in multiple formations which will be invaluable to us in Europe and the ‘big’ league games. His assists and goals record since he’s been at Dortmund speaks for itself. We’ll get him and he’s just going to be an unbelievable buy. Also, we really didn’t need Kagawa and Hazard.
Hazard being a dickhead and joining CSKA London is a blessing in disguise for United really. Cleverley will be more involved than he would be with Hazard around and in the next few years when the likes of young Petrucci, Lingard and Larnell Cole have had a spell out on loan, they’ll get a ton more opportunities. Kagawa is the attacking midfielder I personally think we’ve been lacking and I don’t buy into the ‘we need a destroyer in midfielder’ nonsense either. We all hope Fletch gets fully fit and finds his form of a few years back. If Fletch recovers he’s the ball winner, if he still struggles or simply doesn’t beat the illness I think Tunnicliffe will play a major part next season rather than having another loan spell.
I’m quite sure next season will and should be Scholesy and Giggsy’s last season at the club and they’ll be able to retire without us rushing to buy replacements. Petrucci, Larnell and Tunners etc. will be promoted, as will Will Keane.
Really looking forward to next season. The media will have us as underdogs and Fergie will be getting us to batter teams whenever possible so goal difference never becomes a factor again. With Kagawa linking with Rooney, Welbeck, Nani we’ll be a lot more fluid and versatile going forward and with the slightest tweak to the midfield we’ll be much more versatile in the systems we play in depending on the occasion. We won’t have half the amount of injuries and Nemanja will be back. I genuinely think we can win it by some margin.
What a club.
The Cantona
That’s a ridiculous reply Keegan as myself high lighted the fact United don’t sign marquee anymore.
I am as bigger realist ad there is, glory is not why I support united but don’t be niaive united dont settle for mediocrity. Were not the scousers who have enjoyed a spell in time we need to compete. At our height we akways added quality prospects with world class talent. We blend youth as well. Our last big signing is about to leave it was five years before they we brough Roo in and and another two years before that Rio.
There is a difference between a glory hunter and a fan striving for his team to challenge and win. Saf wouldnt have it any otherway hence players were dropped after Everton he would have been fuming. He won’t be happy we drew on points given all their money and neither should we.
Gill has said we will spend and as the biggest team in the world its about time we stopped fucking about with signings like Bebe and buy a marquee player. Look at Toure and Silva for city they had to pay big to get them but then two won them the league.
Down Under Aussie
The thing is mate you know I know some of us know
We know through years of experience – we know because we begin to understand time – we know because we just have that sixth sense about it.
Sometimes it’s a lot to ask to sponge everything negative around you – that goes for a lot of older posters – that’s just the way it is
However when such voices are pointing out an equilibrium or a balance, one should heed and listen and learn how to control.
The football club is the be all and the end all – so there is no need to be fickle about it
The trick is that one should ask the same question all the time
After everything that isn’t to be – after every loss – or every player not choosing United, would you like to support another football team?
Would one do that?
Seriously would you?
19
Giggsy’s Chest
great post
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1199163-manchester-united-transfer-rumors-eden-hazards-alleged-choice-wont-harm-man-u
@besty07:
what are u talking about??
It’s a joke isn’t it that we can’t compete for the best players these days, how long can we keep making miracles happen eh, the terminally injured Cleverley and Anderson can’t be depended upon, legends Giggs and Scholes I’m sure won gold at the ancient Olympics and should be in retirement mode at this part of their career, our midfield is dire Hazard was needed to add flair to the mundane in the centre of the park, or should we depend wholly on the best side passer in the world Carrick to ride to our saviour….
without top notch players being added to the squad how can we compete in the future, some kid who cost £10million will not do anymore, other less desirable clubs have raised the bar as regards transfer fees and wages, we have to join them at their table, FFP will mean nothing, it’s the biggest lie in sport, U.E.F.A will not ban a team from the E.C.L because the clubs in the same domestic league will surely have to boycott in solidarity….
Our chief exec seems more than happy to party it up with the rents, that made my blood boil, I hope Gill cherishes his Kodak moment. surely time would have been better spent planning for next season yes,…..
Sir. Alex needs the financial backing of the Glazers, I hope they come through but my heart as I type says to me they won’t, as a United fan I don’t demand that we merely compete I DEMAND WE WIN!, The best thing that could happen is the glazers sell the club to a rich oil man or Mark Zuckerberg, lets face it the clubs value exceeds that which the fans could collect together to buy our much beloved United, do people truly understand how much debt the Glazers have in America, it would scare you to read about it, and United are the collateral damage when that debt gets called in…..
I really hate player bashing but a few years ago we didn’t have to as the squad was awesome, hardly a descriptive I’d use to describe our current team, but there is NO VALUE in the market words of a debt cuffed man if I’ve ever heard them…….
We need stardust not sand…….
Wouldn’t it be funny if after all the fussing Hazard meant us? I know that Chelsea are the CL winners, but if he was just jokin and trying to be funny in his mind?
Tomorrow news : Eden Hazard joins United
people would be fuming hhahahaha 
Well, maybe we’ll go for Kagawa now? I am just waiting to support my team next season, hoping of course some additions.
peace and luv.
People are confusing loving the club and wanting us to get the player we need.
Had we signed the midfielder akin to Silva etc last summer we would have pissed the league imho. We don’t have goals from centre midfield. We didnt sign anyone not to hinder the pogba………
Well Cantona it just seems that if any other poster dares question anything that the majority on here disagree with then were all gloryhunters as u put it.
Kagawa is the perfect example how you conclude a deal.
Not fucking through the media every possible day.
I’ve said it lots of times before, if Utd become City/Chelsea i won’t be watching football, football has to be more than 11 players showing up for money otherwise what’s the point? and if the players don’t give a fuck about the team or fans why bother,it means nothing,one billionaire is competing with another billionaire
I agree 100% with Willie i’d rather lose the Utd way than the team become a toy for a mega rich oil baron
@Giggs12Gerrard0 May 28, 2012 – 22:21
Agree with everything you’ve said.
In addition no point being the richest club in the world if we can’t compete with other clubs for top players. I mean losing out to Chelsea for fecks sake.
G12G0 – Kagawa is a David Silva type player. Once he gets into the swing of things for us no-one will be crying over Eden fucking Hazard.
MG … hey mate. No, I would never support another football club. I would probably just stop watching the sport altogether. No, actually I wouldn’t. My anger got the better of me, when I said that. I couldn’t stop. So yep, I would keep on watching United. But if that’s the way we were run — like Chelski, like Shitty — with some over-rich cunt wheeling and dealing to buy his dream players, faxing his teamsheets to some lacky of a manager, yeah, I would still watch. I would still be happy when we won. But my God, it would feel hollow. Empty. Like something missing. I don’t know … it just wouldn’t be the same.
Does anyone seriously think that last season’s EPL Chelsea plus Hazard will make the top 4 this coming season? I don’t.
Chelsea have a group of dead shits that need moving on and replaced with better quality players.
They need to spend a lot more money yet – money that FFP regulations say they can’t spend.
Hazard may have egg on his face next May after they’ve finished 5th or 6th in the PL table.
He then may realise what a mistake he’s made.
But never mind. Once Fergie has signed Kagawa, a new striker, a defensive MF, and perhaps a FB who can play on both flanks, we’ll be set to retain the title.
@giggs:
i think i just reply his disgrace post about our tradition & our busby babes @21:44.
Oh, I also believe & pray we’re Not becoming scousers who spend big money for unproven players.
I don’t know what to make of this guy, but I think he made the wrong decision. He will end up being used as a defender at Chelsea.
@Giggsy’s Chest – Good post there although I think you’ll be proven wrong when the 5th installment of the United Injury Crisis happens next season.
About the young players in general, they will only be good if they don the red shirt. Some definitely need to go out on loan but we should keep a few of them and actually play them not just Carling Cup games but PL as well just cameos if need be.
This time last year was looking forward to seeing Morrison and Pogba break through and it didn’t fucking happen. Justified or not. For example, there really wasn’t an excuse of starting Rafael and Park in the middle vs Blackburn and not playing Pogba. I don’t want to see that next season, if we have injuries give me a youth player not square peg in a round hole.
Tunnicliffe should stay next season he’ll be 20 in December so if Jones can play 35-40 games a season no reason for Tunnicliffe to get at least 10 next season.
This is clearly a decision that can only be motivated by money, nothing else. Why the hell would you go to a club like Chelsea? Because they won the champions league.. please.. did you watch Barca smack the post about seven times, and Robben miss a penalty? Chelsea are nowhere near the best in Europe, they fluked it. Clearly what’s happened here is Roman Abramovich is throwing millions at Hazard. It’s not about getting time on the pitch, it’s about getting money in the bank.
Still, United did agree terms for Hazard previously, and Lille did accept a bid from United, which means United were willing to splash out £30m+ on Hazard and it would appear in addition to Kagawa. So fergie has all the way until August 31 to find another way to invest those kinds of funds in the squad.
The thing is, I don’t see Fergie picking up players that will be constantly linked to us. He has a half decent bullshit filter built in… he has made some mistakes (e.g. Joe Hart for £100,000 and he said no…) but overall in terms of a squad I’ve no doubt we’ll be stronger in August than we are now one way or another. What we really need is some good luck.. because we had none of it last season.
Anyway lads, time to get ready for work. MG, Willie, and others: keep up the good fight!
‘@Giggs12Gerrard0
Well if you’ve seen Kagawa you’ll see he’ll be our Silva type. Along with Mario Gotze he’s the main creative influence at by far the best team in Germany. Easily gets double figures in assists and goals and will do so at United. Just because he and his agent doesn’t act like a cock tease through the media doesn’t mean he won’t be a big signing. One of the best attacking midfielders in Europe. Marquee. End of.
We all have to remember that Hazard isn’t a United fan, he isn’t obliged to join us. From his perspective, he is joining the Champions of Europe, albeit they finished 6th in the league. Last year we won nothing, and even failed to qualify from the group stages of the Champions League…I can see his reasons for his decision.
Hopefully we will now sign Kagawa…we desperately need a player of his quality.
I’m just glad it’s over. I hate sagas that eventually lead to fuck all and we’ve all been taken on a merry go round. Of course people are pissed off but this is football, we either adapt to the nastiness of it or we’ll be left high and dry like a rookie.
Giggs12 spot on again.
Since 2008 we haven’t spent a single penny on a midfielder.
From double winners to trophy less and no star players that set an alarmingly quiet old Trafford alight.
Too many bebe’s not enough hazards. It’s simple and there fir everyone to see.
Seriously though- why sign for the third best team in London? No manager, Mata, just signed Marko Marin who plays in the same position- nothing to do with Russian oil money, course not. Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you woah.
Fred
Mate I’m fussed on hazard I have said all along much prefer Kagawa. My points are generalised at where I think we fall down. Fergie has done wonders with the squad but the last two European cup finals in 09 and 11 should have set alarm bells. W don’t have the quality we did and as long as fans are happy to say Fergie and Gill have another card up their sleeve are kidding themselves. That’s not a rant on SAF he is god to me and worked miracles. United knew Fletcher was I’ll two years ago, Hargreaves gone after 08, scholes had a terrible campaign when he retired thank god he was unreal last year, Giggs is no longer a CM, the less clev plays the better he gets, and we didn’t sign anyone last year not to hinder the progress of Pogba.
AlphaRS what don’t you get about City and Chelsea spending more than or close to total revenue on wages,that doesn’t include transfer fees just wages both clubs lose millions a year,what part of that don’t you get ?no fucking club can compete with so rich money is no object
Seriously all of you looking at this as a negative really can’t be that fucking thick Utd can’t do fuck all about it Jesus what the fuck is wrong with some of you
The only way Utd could compete is getting a megar rich douce to buy the club.Then Utd wouldn’t be Utd anymore it’d be nothing just a bunch of fucking cunts performing for the rich master with no association to the fans or the shirt whatsoever
I think everyone is frustrated, but we need to relax. If Kagawa signs on the dotted line, we’ll start to feel good about ourselves again.
Hazard was always a long shot. It would be refreshing if young players chose clubs with history and a great tradition. That sadly, is a fantasy. I know he isn’t the favourite person on here atm, but Keano said it a few years ago. Players he was looking to sign at Sunderland, were asking about the money first. And that was British players too. We’re in the age of the sugar daddy owned clubs.
Looking at our potential business this summer it’s looking good for the wage bill ahead of this Financial Fair Play thing. Kagawa I’m certain, let’s say he gets about 80-90k a week. Owen gone that’s 30k off. Berba going that’s 100k off. Anderson maybe? That’ll be around 50k. Park also possibly out, 65k. Then the likes of Macheda, Kuszcack, Bebe, Pogba together could free another 30k at least. If and when Rio signs a new deal he’ll have to take quite a substantial cut to meet our 30+ year old policy. Add a few more signings but I still think we’ll be reducing the wage bill when all business is done. Giggs and Scholes when they step down will free up even more.
Although as Hazard proves tonight, Financial Fair Play is clearly a load of fucking nonsense.
Said it in another thread, but our best shot at getting Hazard was 12-24 months ago. The Glazers obviously haven’t helped us compete in the market, but like Notorious said earlier, we had that problem in the past with Lazio, Real and others. You know how fought that? We identified young potential world class players before anyone else did. Somewhere along the way, our scouting team became as effective as the medical and fitness teams did. Because when we had the chance to buy Hazard on the cheap like we did Ronaldo in 03, we bought Bebe…
I can’t believe people are letting the non-transfer of this total cunt get them down about United. Sad to see. Judge us at the end of the transfer window – it’s not even June yet!
FERGIE obviously has real belief in the youths coming through and that may be a reason for not splashing cash. Larnell cole, lingard, petrucci are all potentially top creative midfielders. It would be nice to see them amongst first team players more often though. Cup games aren’t enough.
fuck it dissapointed cos he looks a good un we’ve missed out in the past on a few and have’nt done bad have we
think we all agree midfield needs a freshen up but lets not fucking slit our wrists just yet gents
will be other targets and new faces
just glad he made hes decsion now and it didnt fucking rattle on all summer like wesleygate last year
19
Giggsy chest
My rant started early on mate its got nothing to do with Hazard I want Kagawa. Ask king Eric I text him a while back as my uncle lives in Germany has been raving about Kagawa all season.
I get frustrated when fans pull the morale high ground card. You don’t have to be a massive spend to be a marquee buy but you do have to be proven there is a difference.
@besty07:
well, i adressed the glory hunters who know nothing but glory, if u’re not one of them why bothered?
Also do u really believe those players who said “NO” to us bcoz they think they wouldnt taste glory with United?
Here’s the example:
-Gascoine (spud gave him fancy house)
-Shearer (big money from Jack walker)
-Ronaldinho (desire to follow Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo footprint at Barca)
-Robben (money)
-Mikel (money)
-Ballack (money)
-C.Ronaldo (chilhood dream of playing for Real)
Pogba (do u really believe football matters is the reason he’s off to Juve?
How many youngsters that Juve produces for last 2 decades?)
Born in Belgium, Played in France.He owes us no loyalty.
As a professional footballer he chose the highest playing destination.
Lets hope we get the little hard working samurai.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2150943/Italy-match-fixing-scandal-19-investigated-including-Antonio-Conte.html
People can say what the want about the player’s mentality and attitude, but the fact is ManShitty and Chelski are stacking up in every transfer season while we are sitting by watching because we’re nitpicking. For a while, I was fine with the “We don’t spend big money on players and prefer to develop the youth” excuse, in fact I prefer to be successful through the academy…but when we have allowed 2 of our brightest prospects in Morrison AND Pogba leave for practically nothing AND they play in positions we needed, then I don’t see how that excuse can be valid. We aren’t bringing in world beaters and we aren’t giving our youngsters any chances. It’s a lose-lose situation; meanwhile, our regular starters that are holding up the team are only getting older. We need to step it up and bring in some talent, or further be over shadowed by Citeh and Chelski. 2nd place is nothing when Citeh win the title and 6th place Chelski win the FAcup and Champions League title.
What a pathetic club we are becoming, can’t compete for any of the BIG names, go on keep convincing yourselves that signing Chris Smalling’s is the way forward.
While the dirty bastards are in charge of this club and suck more money to pay off debts we are finished when it comes to competing in Europe.
Mash
I posted that word for word in the previous thread.
I don’t get the gripe with bebe, he was never bought for 7million, i think the dailyfail and other spineless journalists had fantasies. I think the portuguese was a cheap gamble that never worked, just like obertan and many others. Perhaps the scouts are slacking, perhaps a change might be needed there, some fresh inventive ideas
Down Under Aussie
You have a good day mate
Me fight?
Nah! I’m mediating
On that jaw dropping revelation it’s time to go to bed.
But before I go
I’m not trumping my cad here it’s just my personal experience right now
I’m in the middle of what I believe is something ground breaking. But this business can’t start with me throwing money around and not thinking about it.
I’m honestly trying to build it up with great heart and endeavour – and yet I can’t also just go out and get a loan and get it done quickly – because I know that I just don’t want to be in debt – so that means I am working at a level I have never done before – it’s part scary yet so hard.
My point is simple – I’m selling this idea to people who will listen to me and buy into this dream – if I pull this off the way I think it will go, then oh boy am I on or what – and that is the perfect analogy here.
Players like Hazard don’t trust United because they don’t buy into the level of togetherness. Yet it’s not like he’d be coming in for nothing – he’d still be on like over 100,000 if he had come to us!
But the lure of something without making your name for it?
Ask me and I will tell you no thanks. I want to do this and it’s going to be more than hard. What I want though is what I’ve ultimately learnt from United
Hold on.
19 and out
Tone
Spot on completely agree
I promise you now if we don’t sign real quality intuitive midfielders then we are FINISHED. We won’t win the league and we won’t make it out the group stages of the CL. I guarantee you that.
It’s still early, people need to chill out. I know some people get upset over Hazard’s decision (i still don’t understand though), but PLEASE wait till the transfer window then u can judge or even slate our transfer policy…
Just a thought, but how many ‘deals’ do Chav$ki do or have done that smell like those of Glasgow Rangers – how many brown envelopes or player trust funds has the mobster set up to help ‘persuade’ players to play for him (because they’re not playing for the manager nor the badge)?
there are plenty of exiting players coming in world football….kagawa is a bright player with good attitude,neymar oscar lucas are some of them…also this kid powell from crewe(i got great feeling about him,anybody ho can score a goal like his last sunday ,has a lot of football inside him)…i hope they sign powell and kagawa and maybe strootman ,this 3 i prefer more then hazard,,,and we need also a good left back who can deliver the final pass..the determination is gonna be much higher next season…the future is bright for united
It’s still early, people needs to chill out. I know some people get upset over Hazard’s decision (i still don’t understand though), but PLEASE wait till the transfer window then u can judge or even slate our transfer policy…
This has nothing to do with loyalty i don’t give a fuck were Hazard goes or what’s his reasons,just does my head in when the moaners are blaming Utd for not competing against two fucking idiot owners who seem to be getting into a private war of there very own
Utd can compete with everyone else who is running the club as a business and not a extension of his fucking cock.
Why do you all complain about not wanting the players who demand big wages? They get those wages because they are they are – the best.
My the standards have dropped if we are happy settling for ‘young’ players on the cheap with ‘potential’. None of them will ever turn out to be a Ronaldo ever again.
Tone,
Do you really expect sir alex to play these youngesters who hold the club ransome and expect massive wages ?
Look at the academy, pettruccchi, delhai and barmby has already stepped up their game.
Samuel
The bebe scenario finances factually correct or not will come up because yes it was a gamble. Is it a gamble United needed to take? Whether its Hazard, Kagawa or Bruce fucking lee I just want to see a small wizards added to take the burden off Scholes.
StatesideAussie – Another time mate!
If we turn to our academy then forget it and prepare for mediocrity. Face it this crop of youngsters are not great but just good. They would be fantastic at a mid table club but not Manchester United.
Gill stop being a fucking moron and sign some REAL talent.
I only hope this Glazer saga does not turn us into the next Loserpool!!!!
Where would we be now if we did not have to pay their interest+?
I hope one day Fergie will tell the reality as it really is.
This season showed that we are lacking in midfield and if we do not do anything this summer, our next season might end long before the final day.
Morrison was allowed to leave because he’s simply a cunt with a brain the size of a peanut. May have all the talent but he was unproven, his attitude is so bad, i think it will derail his career. He’s at westham now but not exactly part of the london club’s journey back to the premier league was he?. Sat back at home playing video games, getting his eyebrows waxed, making ridiculous clown like poses, showing off his bling rather than focusing on a career that is yet to start walking.
As for pogba, FERGIE did all he can/could to keep him but his agent and himself have other plans, perhaps the number of del piero seems appealing to him, perhaps the pragmatism of the italian league gets his pulse racing, who the fuck knows? although nothing has been confirmed yet regarding him.
@samuel – the transfer of Bebe was £7 million. Who paid what and where it went is currently being investigated. He’s a shit player and we spunked money on him. Hard to swallow but thats the truth.
@Tone – Excellent post. Summed up how I feel about the young players.
Like a lot of people I never quite warmed to Eden.
Remember that for every Makelele and Vieira from Ligue 1, you also have Cisse, Bellion and
Djemba-Djemba. I think he is a good player, United obviously thought so too, but clearly not the
character to play for United.
I would rather Pogba stayed than Eden joining us to be perfectly honest.
Costas; good point about our fitness issues, but I think you’re a little harsh with our scouting department.
Yes we did a shitty job with Bebe and Manucho, but Jones, Smalling, Da Silva brothers, Pogba, De Gea and Hernandez are all potential world beaters.
Will be interesting to see how all this pans out, but something tells me Ferguson has a magic trick up his sleeve. Looking forward to the summer.
Tone
pogba never had a bad attitude he just wanted to play. He watched Rafael and Park play there ahead of him against Blackburn and saw Scholes come out of retirement. He has gone to the Italian champs where he believes he will play and they will pay him more to do so. We never signer anyone last year because of Pogba yet fletch, Ando, Clev all injured scholes retired and he didn’t get a sniff. Fergie never fucked him off like Ravel he has left on a free.
“the number of Del Piero”
my arse they’ll give that little shit the number 10 shirt.
Unbelievable that this club can just go on and watch EVERY big rival win EVERY trophy this season and just let some of the best available players go easy because of something stupid like wages when every tom, dick and harry gets 100k anyway.
If Kagawa doesn’t come then i think it’s time for Fergie to step down because he’s clearly lost it after asking 2 players who are nearly 40 to lead the way last season and refusing to sign quality that is evidently out there.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9295242/Eden-Hazard-to-join-Chelsea-in-35-million-deal.html
Roman flushed 6m pounds up the agent’s arse.
Never would we pay such a silly money.
Unless the agent was Jorge Mendes of course.
The talk of us being ok because we have cole and Barmby etc need to have a reality check. They are two to three years away from 1st team football. They will spend 12 months minimum in the ressies before needing a year on loan. All quality prospects but someone tell me our last substantive graduate who is a guaranteed starter?
I’ll tell you Clev who was loaned out to Watford and Wigan.
Wellbeck year in the squad then loaned out to Sunderland.
Evans in the squad then loaned out to Sunderland for a year.
Players don’t play in the youth side and jump into 1st team.
@Notorious
It’s not just the financial aspect of that deal. I can look past that for arguement’s sake. But since we were on the lookout for a winger in the summer of 2010, I am dying to know why we went for Bebe instead of a young Hazard. The latter was starting to make a name for himself at the time.
@schmadmir
Not that we haven’t bought any good youngsters, but are they in the Ronaldo or Rooney calibre? They are good players, but I can’t see any of them reaching those heights. Apart from De Gea probably, but by the time we located him, he was already an established player.
firstly it does look as though chelsea have won the race 4 hazard, to my mind i’d love to know the thought process behind his decision, i mean a lack of stablity at the helm, is not an encouraging aspect for a young player looking to further enhance is game. some contunity be good for the lad.
@ Fred – Exactly mate! At which point paying him £2.89 million for Bebe is perfectly acceptable. Looking at that fee, both players ability and what Hazrds agent is getting. I’m beginning to think that Hazards agent has sold himself short!!!
Giggs12Gerrard0, some people just don’t get it. How about the idiots who say let’s sign some shit player from Crewe who only looked good because he was playing league 2 football that even i could stand out in.
Some supporters are too blindly loyal to Fergie and his ‘setup’ and happy to go on selling the best player in the world and replacing him with a homeless portugese division 2 player.
I want the best players at United and a return to brilliant football that has not been seen at OT for a very long time now.
Busby babes – I can name you 170k reasons. every week.
Considering Juventus are planning a summer splurge on players, not sure how much playing time Pogba will get. Even read an article they’re sending him straight out on loan. Grass isn’t always Greener….
We missed out on shearer years back everyone was gutted then along came Cantona………so just relax leave Fergie to sort it out.
And I am sure he will.
We might have lost Hazard . Cheer up guys it could be worse, we could be liverpool fans :/
Costas – you think that one’s bad? The year we signed perma-crocked has-been Michael Owen to replace Carlos Tevez, Radamel Falcao went from River Plate to Porto for just €3.93 million! We really should beef up our scouting network.
Costas – well if we going on those grounds, we can look back has for as 2004, when we did not go and snap up alonzo, the WS in 2007 but we went for anderson instead, look at modric and aguero, how united did not go after those 2 in the summer of 2008, along with sanchez in summer of 2009 when not many knew about him. The club does have a habit of not acting quick enough in recent years. My worry is, ferguson will once again try and get enough out of scholes and giggs yet again. And when fergie does this, united hoped of challenging for the PL let alone europe become even harder
Everyone talking about kagawa as if he has already signed. Not even half way there. Another fucking saga to look forward to.
Keegan – absolute bullshit. According to Kicker deal is agreed.
The fact we made such a pathetic show and dance about it put me right off him, think he will be a good player but he has too big an ego, whats he actually achieved? Many many players have won good awards and gone on to be nobodys, although i dont actually think this will be the case did not like his attitude one bit. Will be keeping an eye on him.
@ Costas – Hello mate. I can’t answer that question can only guess. Been a United fan my entire life can still remember transfer gossip from years gone by especially when we were going after players. Since the glazers have come in the way Fergie has conducted himself in the transfer market has been very different to years gone by both his signings and the things he says. Hate to say it but he’s contradicted himself at times. Especially since the Ronaldo sale. He rightfully gets away with it because he has literally turned the club around. He himself is responsible for our Carrington training complex which is incredible when you compare it to The Cliff. Then there’s the trophies.
Too many prospects have been signed and truth be told none of them have set the world alight. Nani included. Then we talk about the youth players with the excpetion of De Gea and I suppose Welbeck how many young players actually broke through last season and make a stake for a first team place? Phil Jones does not count.
As Giggs12Gerrard0 has pointed out some of these youngsters aren’t ready for the first team yet. I mean Nick Barmby is more likely to make his debut next season for us then Jack Barmby!!! (If anyone from Manchester United read that last sentence that was a joke and not an excuse to sign Nick Barmby)
Then if we take the reasons aside and look at the Pogba and Morrison situation from last season, it doesn’t exactly inspire me with confidence of actually seeing some of the youth play league games next season. I get the feeling only ROMers have actual faith in our youth players.
lawman10 – we missed out on Nasri too, don’t forget that
Juve didn’t have much patience for their young players.
criscito, nocerino, giovinco, palladino were all have been swept out after one bad season.
Hell, even they need to got relegated so Chiellini could make his name in their starting IX.
And now they had Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal.
How do u think Conte would pick Pogba ahead of those 3 strong, proven & matured centre midfielders?
So I couldnt &wouldnt believe the footballing matters is pogba’s reason go to Juve.
Fred – I actually think our scouting network really has gotten worse, since CQ left the club. I just find our attitude in terms of finding players, and buying them really lacking that aggression it should be. The club seem to be hell bent on value for money, that its really hurting our ability to strengthen the squad. Since summer of 2008, the attitude the club has had in the transfer market, seems really dead. The club seem to make enquirys, so it makes them look like they wanted to sign him, but in reality we never were really fighting to the death to sign those players
FITB – head scout: Martin Ferguson. Says it all. I wonder how he got the job?
By the way real Madrid is the worlds biggest club, why won’t fergie tell the fans were broke and can’t compete in the Market , dont get it at all we’ve got two midfielders with a combined age of 70 , let’s b fair were in big trouble…if we don’t get 2 midfielders in we won’t finish in the top 4 next season, one season out of champ league and it could take 10 years to get back into it again..
@FITB To be fair in regards to Aguero we probably could have signed him a few times. However I do remember distinctly him being slagged off to the nth degree on here with statements being made he’s couldn’t cut it in the PL.
I don’t think Hazard is rubbish. I do think he is a cunt for reasons already stated.
Agree with you about Giggs and Scholes being over relied on next season.
@Fred – Thanks for giving me another reason to hate Michael Owen. Don’t think Fergie would have gone in for Falcao after the Forlan saga but does put it in perspective.
I personally totally understand both sides of the argument. After the season we ve had, a ‘marquee’ signing or anything similar is what the fans are crying out for, infact have been for a few years now. But guys what can we really do???
I accepted years ago that the likes of zizou figos of this world would always go to the Real Madrids of this world. Hence accepted that went we went for Villa and Benzema etc…these players were always going to choose Real and Barca over us. Cos Both clubs are just as big as us, more successful even add to that the culture, weather, tax rate. Thats something i could live with without any problem.
The problem now and the frustration with our fans is exacerbated due to the fact that these 2 clubs who are outpricing outbidding us are on our doorstep. The fact that they are mercenary clubs, clubs with no history of success, no fan base, no ethos, no philosophy etc etc etc . Infact we are IN EVERY WHICH WAY ARE A MILLION TIMES BIGGER THAN BOTH PUT TOGETHER.!!!!!!!! That goes without saying
Bar 1 thing…….and yes that one things does the talking these days lads. Unfortunately its the way of the world now. It all comes down to the reddies. A shame. We just have to accept we cant pay these sums, whatever peoples opinions on the debts and glazers besides.
Empathise lads….time to move on
If Kagawa chooses Arsenal or anyone else……then thats the time to really start worrying.
Willie and Stateside summed it up the best…we know our financial situation, we re frustrated understandbly….but chin up guys.
NotoriousRedDevil – I am different, we need knew players fast next season. I have been saying it for ages, the engine room no longer has the tools to go over a season to win us a title. This attitude, wait till fletcher and cleverly return, etc. Even if they did, united need more blood. Its been the same midfield since the summer of 2007. We are the 2012/13 season coming up, to expect this midfield to go another season, with this midfield will defiantly be a season where united will be fully found out, if the season gone was not a wake up call the club needed. I say, if fergie says we are looking for value for money, and we do not strengthen the squad, I do think the club is short on cash
We finished 2nd on points and now suddenly we will fall out of the top4?
Fucking hell. Get a grip and stop your doom and gloom.
Can’t see why everyone is so down. He agreed a financial package with the club, as did the club with Lille, so money is not the problem. He chose to join the chavs, and observing his behaviour the last few weeks I think he will fit in just fine. Chelski will offload a number of players for shit money but in doing so they will greatly reduce their wage bill, even if they do pay the £140,000 to Hazard.
I honestly do not think we need another winger anyway, especially one that does not track back!. He is not going to dislodge Tony V on the right, on their day both Young and Nani are exceptional (although not as consistently as Tony V) so the left wing is not a priority. Rooney plays his best stuff in the withdrawn striker position and Cleverly will be fit next season and he will provide a central attacking thrust to our attack. Where would a £35 million player play in that line up?
HE CHOSE CHELSKI, LET HIM FUCK OFF TO THEM.
We need a central midfielder (a dirty fucker preferably) and a left back.
who is Hazard?
Zelh,
You know mate, we had differences on this lad,
its not official about him joining Chelsea yet..
but as i said, this lad and his agent are money whores…
I would be pissed only if we dont get Kagawa. I bet you he is going to be the best signing this coming season. Hazard is a talent but i dont care about and im not bitter. I just think Shinji is the real deal. Kwadjo Asamoah will also be a stellar signing if we pull that one through too. Cant wait to see Petrucci and Tunnicliffe play…. Belhanda, Giroud and Lewandowski are all burgeoning world beaters.
hi StatesideAussie, miss u mate
Zelh,
we cant attract players anymore..
the truth we cant attract cunts!!
Fuck hazard –
I reeeaaallly hope we sign Kagawa ASAP
@ FITB – As you know I’ve been there alongside you when you were saying that under your old moniker. If memory served me right I wanted a defensive midfielder then and you a creative one. Now we need both. Carrick is a year older so is going to stagnate at best he can’t really get any better and people on here are saying in my eyes already over relying on him next season.
We need to start think about who’s going to replace Carrick in the future and we haven’t even figured out a system to play without Scholes. We don’t have a midfield who can play 3 games in a row and haven’t done for quite some time. That is seriously wrong.
Its called the engine room for a reason. You don’t fuck about changing the engine every time you want to go for a drive!!!
Sandeep – Said from the beginning that he’s worse than the whore of Babylon, but still wanted him at the club, because he’s an amazing talent.
But the numbers are shocking. 170k per week and 6m for his agent.
I rather see Kagawa and hopefully some new blood in the centre. absolute necessary.
at least Bebe’s back from loan tho
NotoriousRedDevil and Fred – on the youth system since 2009, no offense to ROM readers who rate the youth system, but where as it got united since 2009? no where.No offence, but all that we have got out of the youth system is? welbeck, and cleverly who as spent more time on the injury table than the pitch. They are the only 2 that have come through the system.
I have always said this, rome may 2009 barca 2 0 united, this was the night fergie should have been given the wake up call, and put in major surgery into the squad. He never did, ronaldo was sold, and all united spent on was valencia it cost us in 2010 from making history, when if he acted quick, we may have won the PL and CL that year. Yet again in wembley 2011 barca 3 1 united, fergie spent some money, but he never solved the deep lying issue, and we won nothing.
Spot on FITB.
some of the fans here underestimating the club, team and Sir Alex..
for god sake,
where is that never say die attitude?
come on reds,
chin up
###
its not pro Glazer,
but we have done the right thing by not pursuing this Hazard and pay silly money..
the rucking agent needs 6 million,
with the current debt and other shits, we should never be doing what Chelsea did..
Have some faith, the players will come,
the team will rule,
the treble winning reserves has plenty quality…
the future is not bad some of the fans here think, bar big name signings..
Hazard can fuck off. matter of months before he will realize what hit him..
Playing time? fuck off you cunt…
I said before the man was not interested in United’s history.
Fair play to him, Abramovich made more of an effort to personally lure him than Glazers ever would and London has its own lure as a place to live, which is why we have always struggled against Chelsea as many foreign players prefer living there.
He will get playing time at Chelsea, that’s obvious, they will have Mata and Eden and then Torres, Hulk, Strurridge. Let’s see how Eden does in the big leagues. My guess is probably quite well. Very confident guy.
Good night reds,
remember one thing..
Sir Alex is gonna demolish the bitter cunts…and it will happen this season..
Cheers
Keep it RED and United!!
and yeah fuck off Hazard for using our club..
We did want him… he’s going to be a great player no doubt but… The Daily Mail reckons £6m to his agent and £200k a week… It’s a bit rich for a 22 year old for a club like United. Let’s be honest we can’t compete with that, who the fuck can?! and the club probably don’t want to compete with that either. I don’t blame him for choosing the best deal available if he thinks he’ll play regularly and in the kind of position he wants to. If I had 2 offers on the table, all things being equal I’d take the best deal as well. I know we all think that United is the only club (they are!) but Chelsea have actually just won the European Cup, they’re hardly a shite football team… and if it was me being offered the choice between 2 teams in France I wouldn’t take too much notice of the history and tradition I’m afraid. You win some you lose some… We’ve still got 1 of the 3 best players in the world in our team, which you can’t say about City or Chelski.
@Fred
Falcao? Dear Lord, I never knew about that one. You honestly think our scouts knew who he was back then? I don’t. They probably found out about him this year.
@FITB
Of course you won’t identify every talented player before they start showing their class, but sometimes the writing is on the wall. I remember hearing about Hazard 2 and a half yeard ago. At the time he had a reputatiton for being a very talented kid that could turn into the next Ronaldo. So I was just wondering why we didn’t give it a shot back then and opted for Bebe instead. In Ando’s case, I actually don’t think we were wrong. In terms of talent, he was what we were looking for. Unfortunately, he didn’t have the proper mentality, but that’s not something you can pinpoint before you sign that player.
The other problem we have now is that with Fergie on the way out, there’s an uncertainity in each young player about joining us. Ronaldo, Rooney and Nani knew that they’d have the chance with him for years to come. That allure isn’t there anymore.
@Notorious
I agree mate. I am not sure if things are cut and dry in our Academy either. As someone mentioned, why didn’t Pogba play against Blackburn. Likewise for Petrucci. Heck, even Cleverley wasn’t trusted when we entered the title run in. And we know how well Giggs did against Wigan… I’ve heard a lot of praise over here about these youngsters, but realistically speaking, how many of them will have the chance to work with Sir Akex before he leaves? If Dave Whelan is to be believed, then not many of them. I have a feeling that a few of them will be promoted in the first team to make up for the losses of experienced players (like Berba, Owen, Ando or Park), but in general, I get the impression that Fergie will make one final assault for the Premieship before he retires by relying on the experienced players. Can’t think of another reason why Scholes and Giggs were offered new deals.
I just hope we get Kagawa signed. Vinegarface should know his damn place and fuck off. Sniffing around our transfer targets FFS.
NotoriousRedDevil – like I just said, rome 2009 barca 2 0 united, the night the boss should have acted faster than the SPEED of light in the transfer market. Fergie is god, but that does not mean I will not call him out on the mistakes he has made since that miserable night in ROME. How he failed to act to make the changes needed, now like always I give him a pass in summer of 09. But failing to make the changes needed in summer of 2010, was a huge mistake. My reason like yours, united are in need of a few midfielders, for me fletcher and anderson cannot cut it for me anymore for different reasons, scholes and carrick are ageing, while cleverly’s injury’s have sent him backwards. If we do not see changes to the midfield, and I mean major overhaul of the engine room, we really could be in trouble and we may be challenging for a CL spot, because only for so long can the engine room that is ravaged with injurys, ageing players before we go from challenging for the title, to going down to arsenal’s level
If those numbers are right, I doubt even a debt free United would have got involved in that type of deal. It’s staggering, if true. 78 million? FFP?
And for all to read again, we need STARDUST not SAND!
People have short memories.
Remember back to last September when we were destroying teams with incisive rapid one touch football resulting in goals galore? People were saying “who needs Sneijder?” 6 months ago who the fuck knew of Hazard? Hinestly? Now we are fucked because he didn’t sign!
We lost on fucking goal difference in the last 30 seconds of the league against a £1 billion team.
Everyone wanted the young lads to play, they did in the Carling Cup and we went out.
We were robbed v scouse in the FA cup.
We will get the players we need and they will be proper players with a proper work ethic, proper team spirit and intelligent enough to know the correct way to behave. They will be some of the best paid athletes on the planet, maybe not the highest but high enough, playing in front of 76,000 (not 40,000) and if they put a shift in and play for the shirt they will be adored. If that is not enough for them well let them all fuck off to chelski. Because as long as they have JT at the back they will never win the league.
Costas – I do feel we will need a change of ownership, with fergie not got long left, the inability to sign quality players, the structure of how the club spends its money, we really seem out of date at times. I am not saying overspending, but when it comes to buying the player needed, we seem to be coming up short
Pebblesmeller – the engine room’s age and fitness levels are a deep concern
Well well well,to say am disappointed is an understatement,I just don’t know how we r missing out on these players,yet at the same time our brightest youth prospects are leaving…only a matter of time before petrucci walks out too…I cannot handle another season of giggs and scholes no matter how much I love them..
I don’t know if its the players in the team not being glamorous enough for the top players,but this happend with ronaldinho,villa,nasri and hazard now.
Yes we got replacements in the past,and were successful but how many times will lightning strike?
All we know now,is that chelsea who are also planning to buy hulk,will be challengers next year,along with city who will spend again,so if we don’t buckle up we will be left way behind mark my words
Its easy saying we rely on youth etc but its a pisstake when our best youth players are leaving..
This is Nike’s fault. If they had designed a decent looking shirt for next season then the fans wouldn’t be pissed off in waiting for a marquee signing.
The Kagawa deal is practically done. I held informal talks in Tokyo last December over sushi with his mother and father. Very nice people.
It’s interesting to ponder how a debt-free United would be competing with City and Chelsea. My guess is that we’d be matching them pound for pound. Our team would probably look something like this:
De Gea
Rafael, Rio, Vidic, Evra
Carrick, Sneijder
Hazard, Aguero, Silva
Rooney
Costas: That’s a fair point. But then who else is on Ronaldo’s level? Only one other option there.
As for Rooney, how many English players are on his level?
I think it may be time to realise just how unique those players were/are and how lucky we were to have them here at the same time.
I geniunely think that De Gea, Jones, Smalling, Rafael and Fabio will turn into a great back five.
As for the others, Hernandez scored just one goal less during the difficult 2nd season with head injury and no rest, Welbeck turning into a powerful striker, Rooney banging in goals, wingers flying, Cleverley bossing the midfield when injury free with Ando. I think they’ll all turn out to be great players, even though there still is a question mark over Ando
NRD is right about the shirt. It’s going to be a nightmare next season watching us in that fucking crap every week.
Fred – very good sarcasm LOL. I actually think, if united acted well, the team may have looked like this
DDG
rafeal ferdinand vidic evra
alonzo
modric scneijder
sanchez rooney aguero
OHHHH, AHHHH
He DIDN’T confirm anything!!!!! I like this site, but this story is CRAP!!!!
Martin Ferguson joins Gibson and Micky Phelan in the scapegoat club.
Welcome aboard. 
Ahhh, I forgot about “Ratboy” Modric. He’s on the bench of my team along with Nasri, Ribery and Benzema.
FITB, I agree partly.
On the fitness front I have serious reservation that Ando and Fletch will come back to the required level but I am confident that Cleverly will and also that we will get the recruits we need.
Fergie is not stupid and neither are the Glazers. They know without freshening things up we are fucked.
But we will freshen things up and we will be fine.
We might even have my personal favourite, Juan Mata.
Forgot about the Berb?
The Berb is on the bench.
@ Costas – Excellent point about Fergies age and youth being unable to work with him as much as they would like. Right now with Fergie we can justify not splashing the cash a little. When he steps down we will have to splash the cash to lure players. Can’t imagine for example Neymar being eager to work with David Moyes as United boss!!!
I’ve read some very romantic views of how people don’t want us to throw mega bucks around. With the debt being where it is I WANT & NEED this club to be so successful that the debt is eliminated. In this game you need to at time spend to stay at the top. We haven’t been doing that.
Engine room.
Your all blind….blind as mice.
All boners point to one man and none have seen it.
We will sign Kagawa, Modric, Powell and Clyne in a £60m transfer spunk over this summer.
You heard it here first knob masseurs !
@ WRN – You left out mine and Costas favourite scapegoat(s). The medical team!!!!
I’ll only buy next season’s shirt if it comes with a years supply of shortbread.
We haven’t being doing it for a reason NRD? I read a good, if somewhat negative article on Unitedrants? The Glazers will give Fergie just enough to compete. I’d love to say it’s wrong, but it’s probably spot on.
Food for thought for the people who are saying tunnicliffe ,lindgard etc will play next year…what makes you think they will?please answer me….pogba who’s twice the player and was ripping up the reserves league hardly got a sniff and therefore is 99 percent leaving,beppe rossi who was killin it in the reserves hardly got a sniff and left too despite scoring tonnes on loan in a stuggling parma side…
Wasn’t this meant to be the season we bode in pogba and morrison?
That didn’t work out well did it…
I would not be surprised one bit if petrucci ends up leaving and it’ll b another year of scholes and giggs
Pique.
NRD – Medical team! Don’t start Costas on that…….
@ WRN – If thats the case. We are truly fucked when Fergie leaves. They probably can’t get away with it now because it’s Fergie and even those cunts have the foresight to know he’s the Vince Lombardi of football and you don’t fuck with that. But when the new guy comes in they will pass off lack of success to the manager and not the spending.
One things for certain if that is the case and it will please most on ROM. Jose will not replace Sir Alex.
There has to be a right balance between transfers and development and that hasn’t been there. It pisses me off as I’ve spent thousands following this team and prices have gone up next season. A couple of my mates aren’t even renewing their memberships unless a midfielder is signed. Sounds petty I know, but with prices being as high as they are combined with the increasing lack of atmosphere inside OT and the amount they’ve spent following United I can’t say I blame them.
Modric or Powell I meant
Both top notch but only one man has the power 
I would love Cabaye or Tiote to join us, bloody hell on Fifa they are bloody expensive…tiote £23m
I would also loved it if we gave Baby De Gea, Moody Valencia and cutie-pie Cicha some spanish friends….say Alba and Martinez/Munain….that should give us some nice spanish hotties to add to the Wag-ies list.
Hulk too fr the chavs….they will challenge nxt yr with shitty….i hope we wont be left behind….its worrying even with the great man in charge
The annoying aspect is this is another player that turned us down. Sure you can always bang out the line “If he doesn’t want to play for us then fuck him” but, that doesn’t hide the fact that recently we’ve had trouble attracting top talent.
Villa, Ozil, Benzema, Bale, Nasri and Hazard have all rejected us in the past few years. We’ve also missed out on signing Silva, Yaya Toure and Sneijder. We dodged a bullet last season with Sneijder and his injury problems, but the rest have and could be gems. I know Bale was overhyped last year but, he’s had a very good season this year. Nasri was average but, he played very well against us at the Etihad.
Also we’ve lost two of our biggest talents from our youth winning team in Morrison and Pogba. I love Scholes and Giggs but, we have to stop relying on them.
Kagawa looks like a great signing, Powell from his goal alone looks a talent and Baines would be a great addition. Evra is not the same left back he was a few years ago. However, we still need that bit extra in midfield. Carrick was fantastic last year and when we call on Scholes next season he will produce. Cleverley is a real talent but, he’s had massive injury problems. Who knows when Fletch will be back. Anderson missed most of last season, but bar his start to the season he failed to impress, again.
I would still love Modric to come to this club, but he probably will be off to Chelsea also.
So who is there left to sign? I hope SAF knows.
Overall, we have a lot to be optimistic about. We lost the league only on goal difference after having a horrible injury list. Vidic will be back next season. The young players like Welbeck, Jones, Smalling, Cleverley and Rafael will all have another year under their belt. We’ve shown that we will spend money if the opportunity arises.
But the fact that we’ve been chosen over again is an annoyance.
NotoriousRedDevil – I am actually partly agreeing with Costas in the medical team, unless they are to aggressive in training, for me I do not know why united have a squad that is plagued with injury prone players
My Ideal Manchester United team plus subs would be;
—————————De Gea————————-
Rafa ——-Smalling ——–Vidic——- Evra ————————-:roll:
————-Carrick———– Cabaye ———–
Nani——————Cleverley ——–Welbeck—-
—————————Rooney————————–
Of course Every player has to be on form !
With Scholes, Valencia, Young, Rio, Chicha, Modric on the bench
I can see the logic in Hazard’s decision.
Man City – He would worry about playing time with Nasri, Silva, Yaya and Aguero taking his possible positions.
Man Utd – We seem to love the antiquated 4-4-2 which doesn’t fit Hazards playing style, will be interesting to see where Kagawa fits in if we get him seems as we are now playing hardball with Dortmund
Chelsea – He will be a key man in a new emerging team and guaranteed a first team spot.
He looks like one hell of a player but this ” will he, wont he ” … ” here or there ” thing was whore bullshit.
@ FITB – When Fergie thanked his medical staff first in his end of season speech at Swanse. I’d be lying if I said that didn’t piss me off. Coming next season
United Injury Crisis….V!!!!!
Goodness, what a bunch of crybabies. Everyone take a deep breath. It’s annoying that we’ve missed a top player, but if United consistently broke the bank for players, this club wouldn’t last. What’s the point of having 3 brilliant seasons and then going broke? These other clubs are set up as some rich man’s plaything. We’re set up as a proper organization that will outlive even Fergie. Nothing is guaranteed of course, but I’d rather support a club that’s in it for the long haul – wouldn’t you?
Tradition doesn’t mean much to these kids. It’s London and Eurostar vs Manchester and rain….
Notorious said in 22:16 …we will.always found our way. I wouldnt be too worry, bcoz on the end of the season maybe it shows that Kawaga is good as Hazard. For me it is important that we sign players this summer. Kawaga is japanese, they have good character…Saf likes is…we likes it. In one way…like Costas said…we know very early we lost Hazard…we can go for someone else. Kawaga is cheap, salary wont be big, so we can buy maybe and Modric/Eriksen- i dont know why no one talks of that guy. He is big star in Denmark representation.
Fergi is the boss 00:08 you said everyting in that post. actually this is our problem. we need balance in spending. we dont need to spend more than we have, but buy when we really need someone.
I think Hazard has been really unprofessional in all his interviews and with his constant twitter comments. He’s hyping himself up. I’m sure he’s a great player, but I don’t like this behavior and I’m sure Sir Alex doesn’t either. We obviously were ready to pay the asking price Lille set up, as were Man City and Chelsea. However, I’m not sure United have offered him enough salary and a guaranteed spot in the first team. You have to earn it. But if you’re good enough then you shouldn’t have to worry. I’m happy we don’t offer the same money as City and Chelsea, it’s just unrealistic. I do think he could have gotten the number 7 shirt at United though. Hazard seems to be that kind of a person that the number on his back and his personal success is higher on the priority list than succeeding with a team.
I’m not sure what promises he got at Chelsea and who gave it to him. Did Roman promise him playing time? Did Peter Kenyon? There is still no news on the next Chelsea manager so I think Hazard might be taking a bit of a chance in that aspect. Unless he knows something we don’t.
But there are plenty of good players around. We didn’t sign Sneijder last season (thank God), we still managed to finish with the same amount of points as City with all their freshly bought world class midfielders.
I would have been happy with Kagawa and Sigurdsson. The latter one is going to stay permanently with Swansea, buying price is 7m pounds. I just think we need to shake things up a little bit in our midfield section. Park had a down season and only 1 year left on his contract. We either have to extend his contract or sell him this summer. Anderson failed to impress once again and keeps getting sidelined by injuries. Scholes and Giggs are on their last season I suppose. Fletcher is still a question mark and Cleverley might be a little injury prone, although I rate him highly and love to see him in the squad when he’s fit.
I also reckon we need a fourth striker. We have Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. I’m not sure Macheda is going to cut it. If we are not going to add anyone to the striker department, I’d prefer to see Will Keane over Macheda as a fourth striker.
Tomorrow is another day! Night lads and ladies.
19
Fuck Hazard, we should sign Brek Shea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEvsr8Hbu5I&feature=related
Everybody is outraged about 6 million to an agent and 200k to a 21 year old kid but what about HALF A BILLION QUID squandered paying interest on a totally unnecessary debt?
Was that suhayl posting a while back? Good to see him on here! I’m off….
FITB – spot on 00:02….
if we want now 2-3 players in midfield, we need 70-80 mils and the need to fit in our sistem. we should buy every year, one player in middle. Now we need tons of cash and other thing…how we know that all of them will come to our club.
and when i said that our young player not getting chances, you were laughing, now you confirming that. I think that they get tired of waiting and then they go. better to be in smaller club and paying then be in the big club sitting on the bench.
..playing…
Kranjcar from Tottenham said: it is not important where you will play, it is important how much you will earn. Players today think that the most important is hiw much you will earn, they dont care about the trophys. if they are in big club also..great.
De Gea
Rafael – Smalling – Vidic – Evra
Cleverly – Carrick
Valencia – Kagawa – Nani
Rooney
Stateside rocks out, with his MUFC cock out.
@Tone Totally agree with you mate, its not even June and im already frustrated by whats going on at our club. I couldnt give 2 fucks about eden hazard now but at the same time im disappointed to see another potentially top quality player choose a different club over united and that has happened alot over the last few transfer windows. Is this going to be another summer where we all wait and hope for something special to happen and then nothing. It puts the fear of god into me if we are starting next season with more or less the same engine room that we have now.
Could have been worse … If C*ty had bought him.
If you have to look for a silver lining in this entire saga, it is that we were in the running for this guy and personal terms were agreed, so we are prepared to splurge 30mn and 170000 a week on a player.
Costas
Brilliant point about spotting these players early. The good thing about signing these players young is that we still have time to bring them to ground and instil some humility. Can you imagine how big a self-loving prick Ronaldo would have been if he hadn’t joined us when he did? Or even Nani, for that matter.
Hazard played in the Europa League against Loserpool FC and looked impressive even back then. Tiote, Modric and Cabaye were all league winners in their respective countries. It is easy to say that we should have signed them with the benefit of hindsight, but it’s not like we haven’t taken punts on unproven players at all. We have and they have turned out, for the most part, to be utter cack.
We cannot hope to win a bidding war against playboy billionaires, with or without the Glazers. What we can do is have a good scouting system in place and beat them to these youngsters.
Off topic, Nick Powell anyone?
@jesmonta
We put in the SAME transfer bid which was accepted so the money is there. The only difference is supposed to be the wages we offered but that has nothing to do with the Glazers. United have operated on the under 50% of the revenue basis for decades and its a sensible policy. Infact without the Glazers agressive chasing of new commerical deals and other revenue increasing tactics we would actually have LESS to spend as the policy is on revenue not profit so things like interest payments mean nothing
@Costas
I think the London aspect helped as well. Foreign players especially young ones are obviously attracted to the capital. There are also a fair few belgians at Chelsea
@Keegan4england
If you are going on the Squads then United is alot more appealing than Chelsea. They didnt suddenly become great when AVB was sacked, perhaps became a bit more of a unit but their football wasn’t great. They then got lucky in the FA cup against Spurs (and didnt do great against Liverpool really) and certainly got lucky against Barca (if Barca hadn’t fucked about in the first leg they would have been out of sight) and Bayern. They have lost 3 of their CL Final starters already, Terry has been poor (and is a racist), Cech/Cole/Lampard while better in the later stages of the season arent at their best and Torres despite his barca goal and then the hatrick still seems to be doing a Shevchenko impression. Also Luiz isn’t the most reliable and they don’t have a RB. So it has nothiong to do with the Squad, infact if it was the Squad he would join us, Chelsea have Mata, Marin and De Bruyne who play there so there is serious competition but thats the area United are lacking, Cleverely is about our only first team player who can do that job.
“Just like after we lost out to nasri and scheijder???”
Believe Nasri was only ever insurance for Sneidjer and the Sneidjer deal broke down completly so late what did you expect.
@samuel – united WE stand
United haven’t confirmed it as they never do, no doubt Fergie will let it slip at some point during the season mind you. However the agent confirmed it and United would have denied it if there was no truth in it.
@NotoriousRedDevil
I don’t think he was going to Chelsea until the CL win. There is no way he would go to a none CL club like Chelsea because they need a major overhaul to push for a top4 position next season and without the CL spot they would struggle to attract the names needed even with the money they could spend and every player would be aware of that. As soon as they got a CL spot they had what they needed to attract the likes of Hazard and now they have him they will find others like Hulk easier to get.
@iced earth
Do we really want Bale though. His form (and Spurs) went off when he started being given a free role and as such started to play inside more so he isnt the solution for a #10 for us. And we don’t need a winger really
@NotoriousRedDevil
“Years ago Marcelo Salas turned us down to move to Lazio” I don’t even remember him, even looked him up on Wikipedia and that still didn’t ringany bells.
I do think Manchester is actually a bit of a problem at times. ALot of European and South American players will instantly be attracted to Madrid and Barcelona first as there is more of a natural link for them and with Asia not really producing enough top quality players yet and strong holds for English clubs like Scotland and Scandinanvia producing less players of a top quality the available pool of players you can attract gets smaller.
And if one of the Mainland Europeans or the South Americans is willing to come to England then London is just a million times more attraction for foreigners but even then it seems to get them to England even London clubs have to pay a premium on the wages, let alone northern clubs. And United have never paid that premium and never will imho.
@Costas
The problem is saying we should have got him 12-24 months ago is that skill alone isn’t the only element, its about trying to judge if they are mentally suitable and alot of thats guesswork atleast until the become regulars (and sometimes even then) but if a players a prospect their fee will still be fairly high to take that into account. Would he have really been much cheaper back then and the risk certainly would have been much higher. Anyway it seemed we were looking for someone more experianced back then anyway than Hazard was, the deals just didnt come off.
Theres alot of players that in hindsight maybe we should have bought, some which we have bought later for more but sometimes you just have to wait and see if they develop
@samuel – united WE stand
Around £3mill supposedly for Bebe upfront, rest is conditional payments Personally I’m not even sure he is a flop yet. He had 2 poor games really and one of those against Crawley every player that day was awful which was never going to help a player with so little experiance to shine.
The rest of the games he put in some fairly good performances everything considering. I also think he eneded up joining before we would have liked due to others sniffing around which forced our hand and has on other players also.
@tose
Chelsea had a bid for Lucas turned down didnt they. We were also supposed to be interetsed so I wonder if perhaps he will end up at United as surely Chelsea is now off the table. Mind you Real are sniffing around and Spains a prefered desitination for most South Americans
Powell I believe is a done deal but I believe he may be going back to crewe for next season which won’t be a bad thing as all his family and friends are here in Crewe so he can keep developing with first team games for a further seeason.
And Kagawa is being reported to have signed for a club and as we are the only club anyone has reported has submitted a bid for him it would seem to be us unless he has signed a new contract.
@Hans
I have said it many times but not much different unless there was a sugar daddy buyer. The PLC was overspending on running costs, including paying 3 times as much on agent fees as was normal (most likely due to being a PLC which made negotiations harder to keep under wraps) and had continually shown an inability to really drive revenues forward.
Even if they had been able to drive revenues in the way the Glazers have then there would been dividends to pay, tax (we United have avoided since the Glazers took over) and the PLC came with higher management fees and other associated listing costs.
So its really not as clear cut as some people want you to believe. And most importantly if the PLC hadn’t managed to drive revenues up then our wage policy which is based on under 50% of revenue would have seen us able to pay much lower wages than we can now.
@samuel – united WE stand
Pogba hasn’t left yet. With the news today that they they are supposed to be looking to include him in the transfer for Asamoah. Can hardly fill him with confidence that they are going to loan him out so they can buy another midfielder.
And look at the way the Milan clubs were so bullish about signing Tevez. Italian clubs do see to like shouting about signings before they are done and the italian media is as bad as ours.
Until United announce he has left I’m ignoring anything coming out of Italy
@Fred & NotoriousRedDevi
We have never overpaid Mendes, its one of the Glazers main things that agents don’t get overpaid like in the PLC days. Any money Mendes got was simply because he partially owned Bebe
@Fred
“Falcao went from River Plate to Porto for just €3.93 million” Lots of clubs missed out on him so clearly there was something of concern about him. People are too eager to look at things in hindsight when its easy but even then it doesnt mean they would have done well at united. Some players have small club mentalities which isn’t right, you want players like Valencia who were good at smaller clubs but have the mentality to become great at a top club
@NotoriousRedDevil
“Since the glazers have come in the way Fergie has conducted himself in the transfer market has been very different ”
I think its just coinidence and has more to do with Sugar Daddy spending. Last few years of PLC were fairly simerlar too. Also the PLC was obviously more open so we knew pretty much exactly what the club was doing. Just as we have signed players completly out of left field I suspect there’s other signings we went for that fell through that before we would know about now we don’t (Look at Villa, while Valencia did confirm there was another bid accepted alongside Barca it wasn’t until months later that Fergie let slip it was us)
@Fred
We weren’t ever going to buy Silva after the way Valencia messed us around over him a couple of seasons before.
And once again sneidjer and Hazard weren’t transfer fee related, WS was wages and Harzard perhaps also and the debt plays NO PART in what wages the club can offer. The revenue figures the important one
@zigoo
Did you watch the start of the season. Pogba was far from ripping the reserve league up and at times didnt look interested. Wasn’t till the new year he started putting in good performances
@Ryandunny
When did we miss out on Bale? Sure you aren’t thinking of Ramsey? And I’m not sure Yaya was ever anything more than Paper talk and when CIty bought Silva no top club wanted him despite Silva saying he wanted to play for us or chelsea and United having agreed a fee a few summers ealrier before valencia then demanded more. And he has been a bit overhyped at CIty, struggled at first and had a rich vein of form at the start of last season but really faded. Still has alot to prove that he really can cut it imho
Hazard initially said he is coming to Manchester, then suddenly he changed his tune to include Chelsea, you knew something was up. It even made moneybags City drop out, so you can only imagine what kind of deal Chelsea was putting up.
Brendan@ 21:32
When you say “stuck with the same shit” do you mean Rooney, Nani, Young, Valencia, Wellbeck and Hernandez?
Wakey
Last year he was killin the reserves league,noone could get near him,and yet he doesnt get a sniff,like rossi….even when sir alex said he would play him….and that game vs blackburn was the huge kick in the teeth for him
As a talent I was a little disappointed we missed out on Hazard.
As a character I was pleased, not just the last few weeks with his whoring himself around but other things I have read about him. Maybe SAF thought he could deal with him in that regard but it could have killed the dressing room in the meantime. So for me no great loss.
Wanting a guarantee on playing in a set position let alone just playing is something no manager would/could/should do, therefore the Russian Godfather has again meddled in team matters. Thats how Chelski operate.
I have seen, read and heard a bit about Kagawa. This is the type of player we need and should be looking at. Someone that can fit into a spot we need, hot just another player to mess with shape and personal.
The other player or type of player I would like us to pursue is Martinez. A player that can play the holding role, the supplying role and also fill in as centre back. Big and strong and from what I have read, very modest.
These two signings alone would make us a much better and balanced team.
One can hope.
This is a complete catastrophe, disaster of the highest order…..
Oh, I am not talking about Hazard, its mosquito season again!!
Wakey
Fuck. That must be the longest post in RoM history?
Stateside
Top top post mate.
Yep i know the mossie war well .
I believe we have dodged a bullet with Hazard ,thats if we were ever seriously in for him ! Ive never 2nd guessed Fergie and wont start .He knows who he wants .The Glazers are business people and know the importance of us remaining the top sports brand .We are not and never will be Liverpool,We must of learned that much over the last 20 odd years.We lose we take it on the chin and come back stronger .Our only failing under SAF has been not to dominate in Europe . Considering everything else its not been to shabby . Lets get behind him and the Club .
Morning, Reds! Have we signed Hazard yet?
Ohh, hell….
Ok, now all hear the voice of reason….
So Hazard chose the Chavs. Probbaly better money, probably more chances of a team being built around him, probably staying in London appeared more attractive. He has his reasons, all right? We move on.
What surprises me though is some of the things that have been said on here….Hazard’s a cunt, he has dragged our name through the mud, blah blah blah. Excuse me, but I haven’t heard him say anything disrespectful about us? Ok, he had his own pressers, he was playing pricktease on twitter, but just like there is no proof that the glazers have hampered us where is the proof he is getting 200k/week? And honestly, how many of us would have been overjoyed if he came to us? I know I would have been.
Personally, I do think we need to get a bit real now. Young players these days will get on twitter, they do want top money as do all top professionals, for doing a top job, and do you SERIOUSLY expect every 20 yr old Belgian/South American/Portuguese kid to be wowed by our great history when so many other clubs are wooing him? And if he doesn’t, does that make him a cunt? Like I said, get real guys, and think a bit from their perspective. The belongingness, the appreciation for OT and what it stands for, comes AFTER they’re in. Before, it’s business. Very few players are like GNev, born and bred as Reds, and living the only dream they ever had. You want to compete globally, you got to think and do business globally. Because, make no mistake, it IS business.
Funny, so many of us say “ohh get behind Rooney, let’s forgive and forget, he’s a bit of all right really, and where would we be without his goals?” But when Sneijder doesn’t take a pay cut, he becomes a cunt, ohh no we are not that type of club that gives in to player power. Ohh no, there’s no proof that the Glazers have hampered us. Ohh our players are all paragons of moral virtue, there’s no proof REALLY that Giggsy/Rooney (and this breaks my heart) has probably been just as naughty in his personal conduct as CLLC. Or funnier still, “ohh we were never in for Hazard really, he just used our name, how DARE he?!!”
Hazard would have been a great, great signing. For many reasons – sheer talent, backup to Rooney, ability to provide tactical versatility, fear factor, put a little bit of the mojo back into the OT faithful, bums off the seat as it were.
Do we have a God given right to win every transfer battle? Is missing out on Hazard an absolute disaster? No, of course not.
BUT, let us please not pretend that ohh, we are above all that shit. Because we are not. Let us not pretend that we haven’t got any problems or any competition. “Ohh the Sheikh will get bored”, “Ohh Platini’s gonna screw them bastards”, “Ohh yaya toure is a fuckall fat bastard” and “David Silva will do fuckall at shitty because he’s a ponce”. Get real guys. Stop the sugarcoating and stop the wishful thinking. The problems are very real. I would still be a Red if we become a midtable team for my lifetime, but why should we even have to think of that unless there’s something very rotten at the core. And why should we not be waving red flags all over the fucking place as fans if we sense something might be wrong?
Anyway, I’m done with that shit. I would rather be objective than a blind fan. Over to you guys.
Jeet
Morning you fucking beauty!!
Personally I am a blind supporter as it were. May have to do with the dry years of watching United win fuck all, I am not sure.
In no way am I against people with various opinions when it comes to the club, how it should be run, who should we buy, the owners etc…..
To me one of my pleasures in life is watching United play and supporting them with every last breath….If they win shit, great if not then I move on
Good Morning ROM!
Morning Cedars, Yes, that was a brilliant post from our StatesideAussie. Gave me the shivers.
And lots of other great posts in this thread from the regulars. Easily one of the best back and forth threads on ROM in ages.
However, there is one thing that caught my eye and made me mightily pissed off. It is when some people said that Sir Alex has failed to identify and fix the midfield problem. Now, I agree that the MF problem still exists. However, and I have argued this many times on this forum, saying that Sir Alex has been oblivious to the whole issue since the 2009 CL final is simply incorrect.
For my money, everything that has happened from that 2009 final till the beginning of last season has been properly planned in Sir Alex’s mind. He realized that he was going to lose Scholes sooner rather than later. Planning for this, he sent Cleverley on multiple loans to get him ready, which he was at the start of 2011. He also gave a lot of tutelage to Anderson and it looked like the start of 2011 was to be the turning around of Anderson with the departure of Scholes. And owing to Fletcher’s injury – which the club probably knew about – Phil Jones was probably brought in as cover for the box-to-box role, while Ryan Tunnicliffe who has been identified as an excellent prospect was sent out on loan in order to further hone his game. So, No, Sir Alex hasn’t been oblivious to the mid-field situation. He has acted fully in accordance with a plan he had in his mind.
Now, that plan hasn’t worked out as well as it should’ve in 2011-12. However, it was a brilliant start to the season we had and the basis of that plan was plain for everyone to see. We were pretty impressed with the way United played even though we identified that there were issues with the tactics defensively. Still, had Anderson and Cleverley not gotten injured, we would’ve gotten a neat little MF pairing and worked on fixing the kinks in the armor. As it is obvious for everyone to see, that isn’t the case.
The extension to the above plan was to have a settled MF going before introducing Pogba and Morrison to the first-team throughout this season. Since the first part of the plan failed, he couldn’t risk throwing in both those youngsters like fish in the water. That is the reason they never got a chance. Because it was simply too risky. You could’ve played them both and they could’ve flopped and their confidence would’ve taken a huge knock. You DON’T introduce youngsters like that without having proper balance and experience in your team. That is something we’ve not had in 2012. And with injuries taking their toll, he had to call on Scholes again. A new-comer would’ve been in the way of the youngsters whereas Scholes was a great little player to fallback to, who would just go back to his coaching ways once we got our squad fit again.
And during the season, we realized that Morrison was simply too much of a cunt with his head not in the right place and he had to be off-loaded. In terms of Pogba, I am pretty sure Sir Alex would’ve had many talks with him. He did play a few games here and there in order to give him a taste of what awaited him in 2012-13. If Pogba does choose to go, that doesn’t mean Sir Alex has let him go lightly. It only means Pogba has made a choice that isn’t in our favor. Pogba is not Wayne Rooney, we DON’T have to bend ourselves over our back to make him stay. He is a nobody who hasn’t done anything of note yet.
And there is no way Sir Alex is going to guarantee anyone anything. I just started reading his auto-biography and within the first few chapters itself, he says that a youngster should never go to a place where they guarantee something since you are guaranteed not to get that thing.
So, we come to the summer of 2012. And Sir Alex knows where he needs players. He knows we need a neat little MF in the Scholes mould who can be our play-maker and who can make the magic happen. That player is Shinji Kagawa. I’ve not seen him play. But he has had talks with Sir Alex. I would be very, very surprised if he doesn’t sign on the dotted line soon. And we’ve lined up others as well. We may give Tunnicliffe a chance and we may finally see Jones getting a settled role in the defensive MF role. Who knows?
I again say. Sir Alex’s plans for 2011-12 did not necessarily work and our plan B wasn’t the best. But Sir Alex “always” has a line of thinking. He always has something cooked up. And he will never go into a season without having something in mind for every position in the playing XI.
Balaji
Morning my friend…..
Well fuck me side ways and shove fire crackers up my ass, that was some post!! ha ha
In summary ‘In Sir Alex we trust’
@Balaji: You are probably right, but I still think that the club and Fergie committed an error in judgement by not bringing in an experienced head for the midfield. Cleverly could well have bombed, and Anderson’s past fitness record should have resulted in a serious rethink of the plan. Just as you say Pogba could not have been thrown off into the deep end, similarly to rely on debut-season-Cleverly and injury-prone-Ando (with the knowledge that Fletch was ill, which the club had had for some time) to save our midfield was way too risky. And justifying the decision not to strengthen the midfield by talking of Pogba – well I can only shake my head at that, given that we would rather play Rafael+Park in the middle.
Assuming we were a club fighting relegation every season, would you still be supporting this club??
Look in the mirror and ask yourself this question, which ever answer it is just be honest
Go for kagawa and gaitan now .
Pretty sure Gaitan was a backup choice too Hazard though.
And PS. He said “I’m signing for the Champions League winner,” —–> united also won the champions league
@Cedars: The answer to your question is YES. The more pertinent question is “Would you be happy about your club facing such a situation, knowing the heights it has climbed?”. For me, most decidedly NO. I would kick and scream about what might be wrong, and what might be done to fix it, and argue about why it is not so great to be relegation scrappers.
For some reason, I didn’t like/convincing about him. Maybe it’s the right decision for any party in the end of the day and save us a few millions pounds. Having said that, now bring me Kagawa (and Ben Arfa who in my opinion is the safer bet if we could do the deal)!!
Cedars
I will support United come what may, and as I keep telling people, the success is a very small part of what United means to me.
But if we are in a relegation scrap, I’d imagine there were things seriously wrong with the club and would say as much, without pretending that everything was alright and that next year would be our year (*cough* Liverpool *cough)
dela
But we were already relegated no? So?
dont know why some on here are so acting like doom and gloom and as if all is lost……… he is just a player, a god one but not someone who’d score 50 goals and assist 30 others in a season and single handedly win chelsea the league……. Belgium didnt even qualify for the euros……. this shows he needs support to perform and a lot……. no doubt chelsea has some decent players and they’ll get some more but they just wont improve that much to challenge for the title when they finished 6th this season…….
on the other hand united finished second behind city on goal difference even when we lost Vidic, Fletcher, Tom and many others for a major chunk of the season thru injury….. goes on to show we just need a little finishing touches here and there to bring us right back in the reconing for the title……. bring on next season…….. we’ll be ready with some decent additions to snatch back our trophy from those mercenaries………..
Perhaps my point is being misunderstood so before I piss off I will say this….
Just think of the aspirations of clubs like Villa and Everton etc…..Think they do not have proper supporters? Think again
Point is simple, if you only love United for the trophies then piss off and find another club
did Stan Collymore choose the dippers instead and sir Alex decided to go for Andy Cole…so how did that turn out at the end. Pretty sure Hazard will sit back one day and ask himself what if….
Reminds me of ronaldinho saga..we were that close before we lost him….and signed a certain ronaldo…
New unheard winger anyone ???
@devilnani: I dont think Ronnie was totally unheard of even in those days. Bit like Muniain, though not as pimped up by the media.
Ha , great stuff guys with the hazard stuff, we didn’t want him anyway!!! He’s not a man utd Player, why? Is he better than park , giggs , scholes, Anderson, course he is . Laughable…
Just to counter-act the negativity on here.
Th e transfer window opens on 1st June. Not before. By about Wednesday next week I think Fergie will have done all the business he wants. I expect UTD to spend heaps on the players Fergie really wants.
Kagawa, a striker, a defensive MF and possibly a versatile FB.
Where’s the money coming from? The Glazers of course.
This time next year UTD will have a new shirt sponsor lined up. AON or someone else.
During the next 12 months the 13 year deal with NIKE will come to an end so UTD will be looking for another shirt supplier. It may be NIKE, but it also may be ADDIDAS, who have just lost their biggest client, Liverpool. Competition between NIKE and ADDIDAS should push the price up. I’ve seen £40million a season mentioned.
And finally the Glazers IPO in Singapore may go ahead.
This is an opportunity for the Glazers to make a financial killing and increase their income from these 3 sources. But that will only happen if UTD are successful on the field. If they’re struggling in 5th or 6th place in the EPL and had an early exit from Europe, then the club will be underselling themselves.
Now no matter what we all think of the Glazers, financial stupidity is not there.
The Glazers will be all out to maximise the clubs income. And the only way of doing that is on the field.
Expect some big money changing hands possibly next week.
@brendan: That’s exactly the sort of denial I refuse to subscribe to
@brisbanefan: May your prophecies all come true…here’s hoping!
Cedars, Well, yes, I would. The year I started supporting United, Arsenal won the title. We won it next year but went for 3 years without a trophy. If somebody was going to change their club, that would’ve been the time to do it. The club you just started supporting has not been successful and it looks like this once mighty club is going to be on a downhill slide. You’ve just lost key players in main positions and your Captain has publicly put down the younger players. It would’ve been easy for me to say I started supporting the wrong club and Arsenal are my club. And believe me, nearly everyone I know switched sides at that time. And I mean everyone. I didn’t. This is Manchester United for God’s sakes. I asked them all to fuck off and watched as we won 3 on the trot. So, long story short, No, I’m now a Red for life. If United play in the fourth division, I will still be a Red.
Jeet, Well, I absolutely agree (with your second post). However, we “expect” success and betterment. We have no entitlement to “demand” it. That is the difference between people like you, me and some of the others who are disappointed that we finished second. We understand that we can’t win them all but we know that United will bounce back stronger. And if we don’t, we always question the decision properly. Some of the other fans that we have, they sense they are entitled to watch United win each season. Just because they support United, they want Hazard to come to us and if he says no, it is somehow our fault. That is the kind of attitude that bugs me to no end.
Regarding your first post, well, in hindsight, it was unwise to rely on youngsters. But going into the season off of a really strong pre-season, that wasn’t the case. And remember in 1995, we did the same thing. We went in with a bunch of youngsters who were untested in the league with only Eric Cantona to lead them. We did the same in 2011. Only difference is Wayne Rooney was going to be this team’s Eric. And we had a bunch of other great seniors like Rio, Giggs, Vidic etc. to lead the team. So, as you can see, it wasn’t exactly the worst plan going in. I certainly would’ve taken it, had it worked. Unfortunately, Cleverley got injured and Anderson regressed without his partner in crime. These are by no means excuses. I am just saying that it was a well thought-out plan going into the season.
Of course, if you were to add a bit of public opinion to that, according to public knowledge, we did try to get both Sneijder and Nasri. I am not sure whether this was really the case, but everybody else seems to think so. Both of those deals did not work out. And it is not like Sir Alex to go for someone else simply to bring in someone when the options he wanted have not worked out. He is the kind of man who gets what he wants or doesn’t get anything at all. I am fine with that principle of his. I can see why others might not be.
Regarding Hazard, I agree with Jeet that we shouldn’t be calling him names and that every young player is going to use twitter these days. However, the self-advertising was clearly too much for me to handle. This is a great little player who hasn’t proven anything yet. All he has done is play great football for a French team. A French team. And he was advertising himself as the next coming of Jesus. He was toying with supporter’s emotions from three clubs via Twitter. Secrecy regarding who he was going to join is fine. Playing around with other’s emotions is not. For me, when he said “Manchester”, that is when I thought, well this lad clearly has too much head on his shoulders. Is that the kind of player we want to see at United?
Would I have been happy if Sir Alex had gotten him? Yes. Not because he is great. But because Sir Alex would’ve gotten his target. Am I unhappy that we’ve not got him? No. Because Sir Alex clearly has his sights set on Kagawa. Will I be unhappy if we don’t get Kagawa? Probably, yes.
So, there you go.
When your growing up and first getting into football it’s easy to pick the team that’s winning all the trophies.
If we all did this most of us would be Liverpool fans.
United have enjoyed 20 years of success and that has brought a lot of what can only be described as glory hunter type of fans.
Fans that post their disgust at United not competing for the marquee signings.
Personally I would take a couple of years in the championship if it would get rid of this type of United fan.
Brendan
You never replied. “Stuck with the same shit”.
Explain please.
Fuck sake, got the tattoo done
Kagawa is as good as done.
Only his on the dotted line is missing.
For the money that he wants, we could sign two players to significantly bolster our midfield. Kagawa and someone else. It makes more financial sense. Should Hazard not cut it in England (although he probably will), there is no resale value if your paying £50 mill for him, is there?
Give us some levelheaded signings, and let’s turn em into world beaters
his name on the dotted line.
This hazardous guy is a cretin. At what point did he think of joining chelsea (6th place in PL)? Was it after the CL final?… And to quote him, “l’m joining the champion’s league winner”-does he think uefa provides medals for players who sign for the reigning champion?
hazard looks a talent no doubt about it, but truth is better players have left the club, and we’ve certainly missed out on better players than hazard, admittadly he possess the attributes to be a world class star, and any team would be happy to call on his services certainly from an offensive aspect, but i dont beleive missing out on him is detrimental, the continual success we’ve enjoyed is proof of that when ‘supposedly’ players we’ve tried signing have gone else where. for me there’s plenty more talent out there munian being 1 and he proved his creditionals on the european front 2, kagawa statiscally looks just has impressive has hazard if not better given the german league is stronger, but some may deem that clutching at straws but it’s facts. am i gutted yes, detrimental no chance. we fucking manchester united football club more than enough:-)
Kagawa will cost us 15m€ now and depending on our success another 7m€.
If Nani was playing for Lille, I bet chavs would have paid 45Million for him.
Kagawa has proved himself in a league that bares a bigger challenge than shitty Ligue 1. My 3 year old daughter could be the top goal scorer in that league. It shows how easy the league is when another top player of the past season was, er, Joe Cole. We don’t need the whore that is Hazard. No loss. Let’s get Heskey.
@wiuru 05:57
Well said mate. We all have opinions on who to sign and what principles to uphold in signing a young mercenary, however Sir Alex Ferguson has also been thinking about his team all season. He knows what he has, what he needs to compete for the EPL and how to improve to copmete in the CL. Yes we have the Glazers, but I choose to beleive that the most important man making all footballing decisions is Sir Alex Ferguson. And I choose to believe in him coz all the titles we boast about were no fluke.
I was hoping that he doesn’t choose Utd..thank goodess for that.
Ffs, everyone needs to calm down, sit back, and enjoy a nice soothing cuppa Suarez Negrito breakfast tea.
Guaranteed to cleanse away any potential hazzards.
Disappointed as Hazard is the type of player United were craving for; his move to The Chavs highlights how lightweight we are in the transfer market. On one note I am glad that he has moved to Chelski because of the outrageous demands for himself and especially his agent but his talents on the pitch would have suited United.
Can’t help but feel that next year will be between The Bitters and The Chavs; so much for FFP.
Glad we didn’t get Hazard.
Marquee signings are for LOSERS.
Fergie buys winners, characters and enthusiasm (Jones, Chicharito, Da Silva’s, De Gea, Valencia, Young). This is what separates us from the animals.
this is the last time i mention hazard then im moving on………….
so he chose chelsea…..the thing iwould say ref that is that everything he has said has been utter shite about playing time etc as chelsea have a shit load of central midfielders in lampard,obi mikel,essien,miereles,mata and also marin who plays the same position as hazard……apparently united and city pulled out of the race cause of his wage demand…..ive always said that there is no harm in a player wanting a good wage as well we would all love 1 so nothing against him there and he didnt owe united a tap….this is all u can exspect from young footballers nowadays with there agents filling there heads full of shit…..
but dont get down hearted there are plenty out there who could play in our midfiels…kagawa for 1 who would be a great addition…theres also javi martinez, gaitan, nuri sahin(would love this guy) and ive always been a big fan of mr wesley so there are players there to be had…also hamsik is another top player…..fergie will have several targets in mind and he will no doubt have back up targets should he not be succesful…….the transfer window hasnt even opened yet, i guess ppl just want players signed b4 the euros start incase there value rockets through the roof………which i find hilarious to b honest….anyways no more hazard talk please…lets all just movce on and talk about the next target………..HESKEY!!!!!!!
lets talk about modric………ya think fergie is still interested……harry cant expect to hold onto him now there playing europa footy next year….and he cant expect 40 million either as he didnt have an outstanding season to warrant that…i wreckon 35 mill would b good enough and hes worth it aswell
What a load of crap. He’s like a little brat, thinking he’s Ronaldo when he isn’t. Fuck him. United don’t need him. He’s obviously after the money when he said he isn’t. Plus, Chelsea won the Champs league with 10 players in the penalty box and only 1 striker and that, I guess is a plus for Chelsea in Hazard’s book.
Modric definitly the next transfer saga.
SIXFEETUNDER….
understand ur frustration mucker but forget about him plus ref chelsea,we were simaler in 99 remember…we didnt deserve the trophy but we got it and nothing else matters……..let him go there and waste himself thats his choice…we will sign who fergie believes is right for the club…he obviously wasnt…..if u ask me i would have prefered modric myself
Did anybody honestly think we were going to sign this imbecile?? “I will definitely be playing my football in Manchester this year, but which colour I do not know?”…. we all no the only Manchester club that could afford stupid wages and attract a player making public comments like that are the bitters. We got lumped in to make the press hungry for headlines and to try and up the price. Once city dropped out and Chelsea were interested we got the “Chelsea winning the champions leage makes them very interesting” What’s that Eden, I though you were DEFINITELY going to play your football in Manchester next year?! Did anyone really think Sir Alex would let this twat play out his transfer to United in public like this. NO CHANCE!! I reckon we washed our hands of this fool a long time ago. And the fact he’s lied, changed his mind and generally pissed about tells me he’s not the sort of human being we want at United. He’d be off to Real or Barca in a year or two!
Anyway, rumour has it in Germany (Kicker, very reliable) that a fee of 15m Euros has been agreed for Kagawa rising to 22m Euros with add ons and that he’s close to signing on the dotted line!
Did Utd really need him?? Don’t think so, but Utd will need to bring out some more cash to get kagawa, and why not go for modric or martinez as well if possible
ZELH
ur rite mate he will be..give it a day and the press will b all over it, makin up some babble that they new this was gona happen it was sum way of gettin chelsea of the cent of modric…..i believe we would prob b the only team in for him as i dont think citeh would…there has been no talk of citeh bein interested at any point so i guess 30 plus mill should be good enough….kagawa i hope signs…i would b pritty happy with the midfield that way(providing we could get fletch back)so it will be just about a striker should berba go which looks likely
Let’s not forget: Malouda was voted the best player in France two years in a row too…
I said hazard dragged united’s through the mud by associating his pointless bullshit. He knew exactly where he was going but he loves the attention, what’s the point if you know damn well that you’ll sign for chelsea in the first place? why collaborate with your agent in order to gain an increase in wages by using the name of united?. That’s my question. I’m not gonna say he’s the only mercenary in football, we got enough of them in the united squad as wel but the way hazard handled his transfer was of a classless self centered individual. United were never in for him and more importantly, united would never have got him then why not just sign for his beloved chelsea straight away? well he wouldn’t do that, he’s an egotistic selfish cunt just like 90% of footballers.
Samuel
u certainly did mate but i still disagree to an extend…i dont think he dragged united through the mud as he never actually said he was signing for united..but u could say he was smart in how he went about it to get a better salary……..thats the way footballers are nowadays all we have to do is just slag them of and move on…i think we should all move on from this guy, yeah i would have liked him to sign but he wasnt on the end of my lips at any time like modric and wesley are so lets see if we could snap 1 of those up
Kungfoo – he did by claiming we agreed a fee, only a selfish fool would agree terms with three clubs when he really ever wanted one (another part of his relentless crap, just a ploy and threat to roman for more money). He dragged it on and on when he could have done it swiftly, he continuously used the name of united when clearly the club had probably no concrete contact with him, feeding on the fact FERGIE called him a good player. Fans got their hopes up but this was never happening, i was never falling for it. I’m glad it’s over and now we can all move on.
Breaking News: World Exclusive
Manchester United are about to break the world record transfer by signing James Bond 007
In an exclusive 007 will be give the much coveted 7 shirt.
Sir Alex Ferguson: The world is not enough for the lad but Manchester United is, no doubt about that.
James Bond: I am on His Knight’s Secret Service.
David Gill: With Sony digital cameras we can zoom in on the action with digital HD precision – picture and sound.
The Evil Russian Dr. Roman and the equally evil Arab Dr. Sheikh were in cahoots over a plan to sabotage Manchester United’s new signing.
But James Bond has returned in a Red Shirt!
Oh dear oh dear…
So much desperation in this place.
Firstly I was scanning the Internet everyday hoping to see the headlines ‘Hazard signs for United’. I was dissapointed to see the current news.
HOWEVER, it was his choice and in his own eyes he has his reasons. We need to respect that. Maybe he prefers the colour blue , likes London etc. The fact is we were in there for him and he chose Chelsea.
Fair Enough!
Now we move on and work on other targets. The window has not even opened for fuck’s sake. Get a grip some of you here!!!
In Fergie we trust. He will come up with something. We have no divine right to expect any player to sign for us.
I was so unhappy we lost the league but we have to remember how we lost it : On bloody goal difference in the last 30 seconds of the league with a high enough number of points to win the title any other year. Of course we need reinforcements but not the way some people think.
I am waiting for breaking news that we signed someone where we say ‘What the Fuck’ a la Jones! or even Chicharito.
I think Fergie will snatch a player from the spanish oppositions that destroyed us but it depends whether they wish to come…
Let’s wait and see.. The sun is out, get a chilled beer and relax
…Or hazard wasn’t going to sign for Chelsea until they won the CL and got a place in the group stages. All he had said before was that he was signing for Manchester, which can be any of the two. Stop with the silly nonsense already. A footballer trying to get a better deal for himself? Now where have I heard that one before? Ah yeah, Wayne fucking Rooney.
UNITED HAVE AGREED FEE WITH DORTMOND FOR KAGAWA……..ya see with every bad story theres a goodin
I just can’t believe all the comments in this thread. All the name calling and such, just because Hazard chose another club than us, makes you all sound extremely bitter tbh. It isn’t very becomming, if you want my two cents.
There isn’t a single member on this board that hadn’t done the same thing job wise. If any of you could choose between three great jobs/companies, all of you would weight up job description and wages and you would choose from that. So please spare all the cussing and bad language.
I think it’s great SAF was in the running and even greater he stuck to his principles. Hazard is good at a certain value, just like Schnejder – good at a certain value.
We all know SAF has a plan. He will not go into next season with the same midfield again. He has made that clear both in the press and through actions. Kagawa will fix this to some extent, but we need a central imposing midfield figure. It will be interesting to see where SAF now turns. Some say Modric (but most in this board have told him to fuck off, glory hunter and such).
I just want to point all your attention to darling boy Berbatov, who cried, went on a strike and all that to get his move away from Spurs to United, so he could increase his wages. He totally disrespected the Spurs fans, but I guess that is ok since he plays fro us now? In my books that is way worse than negotiating with three teams in hope of getting the best deal.
We need to show more class.
the deal wont be signed until he gets back from international duty in around 2 and a half weeks though….terms have been agreed and now so has a fee so lookin forward to it…the deal in total will rise to 22mill euro
Hazard = Lebron James = egotistical cunt
Vilhelm
If all Berba was a money-grabber, he would have joined Citeh. The Sheikh would surely have paid him more than he earns now. The point is that he wanted to play for United. Hazard didn’t. End of story.
We move on.
any sources Kungfoo?
twitter ofc
I dont wish anything bad for the lad but I think he is stupid, chelsea is a club with no stability that won the CL off the back of 3 old men who could have played that well for AvB but didnt because they didn like him so they chose not to. Lets hope we get Kagawa now, at least theres no media circus surrounding him.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/ts_magazine_big_picture/2932044.jpg
Never forget, people. Just never fucking forget. By God, what an achievement.
Vilhelm, Ah of course, this is where my point lies. Negotiating with three teams and choosing the best option is totally fine. I would do that when I switch from my current position as well. But I won’t go on Twitter and say I am joining one of these three companies and then toy with them as I make my decision. That clearly shows that he is a fucking cunt and a prima donna. I cannot handle that and I personally wouldn’t want that type of player in a team that I support. The way he manipulated fans’ emotions was absolutely disgraceful with the way he spoke about Manchester. So, yeah, I can see why people are asking him to kindly fuck off because he absolutely deserves it.
Fred
How could we? Great picture mate
MG
Hilarious as ever
G’day Cedars
You can’t compare the Berbatov and Hazard situations. Lille were happy to sell their player, Spurs weren’t. But on both occasions the player wanted to move on and nothing was going to stop that. The comparison comes into play when you look at how each player chose their next club. Hazard went for the money, Berbatov didn’t. Who’s the money grabbing whore again?
ATIN
yes mate kicker in germany who are are very reliable source have confirmed it as have The-Sechzehner aswell…espn are now confirming it to…..so lets just see him sign the doted line
As someone mentioned earlier Brek Shea would be a good player to bring to United
Tall, fast, can play striker, midfield, or winger and he wouldn’t cost as much as a marquee signing ala Hazard
mancdub
Do not hold your breath waiting mate…..
MG
Good day to you too fine gentleman,, Nipping out for some groceries, back in a chippy!
rooney is sitting on a coach somewhere smashing a pint thinking “i told you”!
Kungfoo that’s great news mate. Hopefully it’s true. Just read in the metro were apparently interested in clint Dempsey too… Not sure what I think about that one
@Balaji: You say “Regarding your first post, well, in hindsight, it was unwise to rely on youngsters”.
Beg to differ there, pal – it has absolutely nothing to do with hindsight if you ask me. Cleverly was a EPL debutante. Ando has had a highly checquered career at United, and has been injury prone. Fletch had a condition that was known to the club at that time. Carrick had had 2 consecutive below par seasons. Scholes had retired. And we still didn’t bring in anybody. BIG risk if you ask me, even at that point in time, and nothing to do with hindsight.
Ahh, but Fergie is a gambler and likes to promote youth, many will tell me. But then you can’t justify the decision to give so very little time to Pogba because “it would destroy his confidence” in the same breath.
I certainly see a lot of these inconsistencies in United these days. Fabio being sent on loan, when he was one of the best players in that disastrous CL final, and generally speaking, has hardly put a foot wrong when given the chance, and Evra is routinely mucking it up. Berbatov being frozen out after the season he had. No mercenaries please, but we let Rooney piss on the good name of the club in full public view. And perhaps I am one ungrateful bastard, perhaps I am simply too overanalytical, but saying “In Fergie I trust” doesn’t justify these inconsistencies for me.
Anyway, all water under the bridge. I just hope we show some intent this summer, and get our thing going. We have a proper job in our hands, let’s not underestimate our opponents, nor the resources required, and get to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sG0fEqKAtA
United after dis guy….From SP….We have good record with the club in term of transfer
@zigoo
Do you mean 2010/11 season. If so then no he wasn’t ripping the reserves apart as he was mainly playing academy games. There is a big difference between Reserve and Academy let alone a jump to the 1st Team.
During the start of 2011/12 season he simply didn’t step up like he was expected until half way through the campaign. Just like Ravel decided to piss about by not turning up to training consistantly and then getting into arguements with Joyce and co. Both had a chance to get more game time last season, Pogba stalled either by taking his foot off teh gas or needing some time to adjust to the reserve league and Morrision because he wanted to act like a total diva
@dela
lol, I couldn’t sleep so decided to work my way through the comments. It was lots of small replies though, just thought it was better to do it in 1 rather than 20 seperate ones
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/kicker-say-shinji-kagawa-manchester-united-done-video-goals-assists-1112/?
@santinoz
the first 30 seconds of the video prove his clapping abilities!
i cant believe you all care so much about a player whos not in our team. and why does everyone think we were in for him? because he said we were? surely there are more important things we can discuss, such as fletchers recovery/ when ando will have a full season/ the upcoming pre season?
Cedars
Don’t do it in a Hazard! Take your time Cedars!
I said weeks back that I didn’t want hazard. I don’t want a player with
that kind of attitude – it’s not that he’s negotiated with 3 different clubs – fair enough
he’s trying to get a good deal but on top of that he wants guarantees about playing time
and his playing position. That is not up to him and are the impetuous demands of a little
upstart who has gotten way too big for his boots. Stringing people along with his
guarded comments about where he’s going and most recently mentioning CL winners
but not their name is childish. He’s a talented lad and if his head doesn’t swell too much so as
to affect his balance he will become a very accomplished footballer. I don’t dislike him for
apparently turning down Utd, I dislike his attitude and his treatement of clubs Utd, City, Chelsea
and Lille that are far bigger than he is. Clubs can do without the likes of Hazard and Morrison
who before they have proved their worth are calling the shots. There are and will remain as any
footballer, small fish in the big blue sea.
i am expecting hazard to come out and claim that he’d been a childhood chelsea fan and it was a no brainer after they won the champions league and that it has nothing to do with money……
Jeet, All perfectly valid points. I absolutely agree that there have been inconsistencies. For the record, I have never really understood Berbatov’s marginalization especially when Chicharito and Welbeck were having a bad time. And I don’t agree with Fabio being sent out on loan when he has shown he is more than capable in controlling his emotions and playing football. I will say that in terms of pure temparement, he is ahead of his twin, though Rafael has shown tremendous improvement in this area in 2012, which is again great news.
However, and I am relying on King Eric on this one, Tom Cleverley wasn’t just some youngster straight out of the reserves who was thrust into the first team in 2011. He was carefully selected and sent out on multiple loans and played terrifically for a couple of premier league sides. It was only after that he was probably earmarked as our next playmaker. And, to tell the truth, he was playing pretty good till he got injured. Along with Anderson, it was pretty silky, one-touch football. I feel there were pretty clear signs that he could be a great little player, at least as far as the league was concerned. So, I think we’re going to have to disagree here, since I have been a Cleverley supporter for some time and feel that we would’ve won the league if it wasn’t for his injury.
Another aspect that I did point out in the previous post is that we were in for a couple of players. These deals fell apart for a multitude of reasons but we were in the market for a mid-fielder last year itself. Of that, I have no doubt.
As for not giving Pogba a chance, I’ve already provided my rationalization for that as well. There’s no sense throwing Pogba into the water when the team is already crumbling. It just isn’t a good idea when you don’t have a stable spine to do that to a youngster. If he plays badly, the fans are going to pick on him and his confidence is going to take a knocking. Maybe if we had had Vidic fit for the season, we might’ve seen Pogba play. But with no spine at all, there was never going to be a situation where Pogba would’ve started, especially when we were chasing the league pretty badly. Play Pogba instead of Scholes and we are nowhere near City in this title race. That is just a plain fact.
Costas 10.34
Tevez?
peteyredred
i like clint dempsey as a player and as a person but i dont think he is a united player….i cant see him goin to united, definatly not…in berba goes then i think fergie will go for som1 like llorente..a different type of striker to wat we have…personally i would love torres but that isnt gona happen….hopefully we can push on a get modric…if we got both him and kagawa and with fletch back(hopefully)i would be happy with the midfield…im expecting big things from ashley young at the euros, i think he is gona have a great tournament as he had a great end of season for united…..hopefully fergie keeps him and valencia on the wings next season…i would definatly like to see more consistancy from fergie next year
I seriously don’t understand why we are still talking of Modric – is he available? I thought our interest had cooled, particularly after Levy assigned 2 full time dementors to guard him? They are going to ask for something in the region of 40+ mil, and that’s clearly overvalued.
Hello Rommers!
Fuck me that Fag En Blazzard is one gimpy looking cock, fucker needs to shave that fucking bum fluff around his blowfish face, glad he isnt coming to United to be fucked might be a great talent but he is a complete fucking classless knobend he will fit in perfectly with King Kong Knob fucking cuntpads Terry,cunt guarentees him his position in the team fuck off as if The boss would ever bow down to a fucking side strip bumfluffy cunt like him and guarentee him shit cant wait till the little Fag kicks off in that dressing room with Fernando the man with a cock in a frock and Monster head Mata what about that other little shit bag they bough Marin wheres he gonna play fucking classless club. I hate that Cunt Gourley he reminds of the Fat Comptrioller from those Thomas the tank engine books, what the fuck exactly is his role at the club? and then you also have this twat bruck fucking cock in mouth buck? Romans Bum Boys fucking retarded Russian crimnal laundering his money cunt had to pay 2 billion for his fucking women and Terry and rat face cole have all had a cut off her ass.
@willie
Yeah, I can see the similarities between him and Hazard…
Hope the reports are correct and we have our Ninja.
I am sad we missed out on Hazard, although I have never ever seen him play and have no idea about him whatsoever
what a massive bell end
@Bobby Charlton’s combover
You don’t want a team of players like that but one player isn’t a bad thing as long as they have the talent and on the field and in training the knuckle down. This is where Morrison failed as he had the talent but didn’t put the effort in.
Hazard would have been fine at United (or Spurs) but Chelsea and City are full of prima donas like that so with both of those it could be a disaster
We should go for Joe Cole on the cheap as well as Ashley Cole, the more coles the better
Cedars
I concur – I am utterly devastated at the news yet I disagree – I actually had him in Football Manager
Not as good as Neymar though!
Now i know why half the footballing world hates United.Some of the comments aimed at Hazard are sick,hoping he breaks his leg etc.
He has chosen to go to a club with no manage, over the greatest manager of all time…
United’s loss?
Evening reds around the world..
any news on kagawa?
@wakey
Even one player can upset the mood in the dressing room – a young guy coming in earning a fortune and thinking he rules the roost can’t be good. The main sticking point I have with him is that he’s demanding playing time and position. I can’t imagine Ferguson bowing to those demands. How would other players feel if they are missing out on playing or being played out of position to accomodate this guy because it’s in his contract that he has to play wherever for x amount of games or minutes?
If John o’ Shea had demanded a fixed playing position he wouldn’t have kicked a ball for us.
A related question: Are players more attracted to London as opposed to the North West?
Roy Keane said it when he as at Sunderland that certain players would’nt go there because it
didn’t have the attraction of a big city.
Sandy
Latest news is that Kagawa is Japanese. Watch this space for updates
Never cared about Hazard – he’s not really what’s needed by this team, at this time.
Hazard won’t make anyone forget DarrenFletcherinho – NoFletch/NoWin !
How many of you who are getting all hot-and-bothered about Pogba’s departure think that – maybe, perhaps – SAF thinks that the kid from Crewe Alexandra might actually be a better prospect ?
Let’s be fair here – none of us has any “professional insight” into Pogba or Powell but you can bet your bottom dollar that SAF and his scouts have been weighing them up on a balance-scale trying to determine which one has the higher up-side.
If I was a footballer I would much rather play in the North West…. Just has a better ring to it
@Bobby Charlton’s combover: I doubt if his contract would have stipulations about playing time and position. I think all he said was his decision would be based on his assessment of how much playing time he might get – and to be fair, I think he’ll get max. playing time with the Chavs.
@Denton: Sadly, looks like you and I will have to be disappointed. Boss said “no holding midfielder”, though looking at his statement, doesn’t look he thinks of “holding midfielder” the way we (or at least I) do.
Well, well, well…. Nearly every daily is reporting that a deal has been agreed with Dortmund for 15mil plus extras based on trophies. And all of them cite a German magazine Kicker as their source. Here’s the story from the Telegraph but all dailies are basically saying the same thing.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9297061/Manchester-United-close-in-on-deal-for-Shinji-Kagawa.html
As we learned from last year, never trust anything unless pen has been put to paper.
Romans bum boys.
Nice one gaz!
Kagawa will set us on fire!!!
and for fuck does any one think its for shirt sales?
then they are outta their minds..
He is as good as you get at 15 Million…why pay extra 25 Mil for a back heel pass specialist?
fuck him anyway, let him rot at bridge, and hope Kagawa sticks one up his arse when we meet chavs
The 29th May has mixed feelings..
Rest in peace those 29 Juventus fans..
###
and the sight of Sir Bobby lifting that UEFA trophy..incredible..
to the busby babes,
gone but never forgotten..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lAdCnR8HUaI
For fuck’s sake! How many more times is this going to happen? I’m sick to death of getting my hopes up and then having them crushed.Here’s my point:
Hazard
Sneijder
Defour
Douglas Costa
Modric
Ribery
Nasri
Villa
Silva
What do they all have on common? They’ve all been inked on Cyril and yet none of them have come to United.
Just for once I would like a summer without having to visit the laser clinic. Sort it out Fergie!
At least I still have Alan Smith on my neck. Good old Smudger. Remember when we played him in midfield? Good times baby…
One of the things I have learned here is that gaz is funny as fuck
http://sports.ndtv.com/football/news/item/190908-lara-yorke-lift-man-united-to-celebrity-title
Lara shows he is a multi-talented person. My God, what an amazing cricketer he was. Easily the best leftie of his generation and now he shows he can play some footie too in United colors. Good stuff, Brian!
The Hazardous story summed up nicely..
###
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/transfer_talk/125965/snapshot-eden-hazards-201112-season-in-dirty-flirty-quotes.html
Balaji,
Thanks for the lovely link on Lara..
enjoyed him as a player, one of the greats to play the game..the best left hander i have seen..
cedars,
is he japanese? funny as as and may i add as always the lebanse the king
Japan will go bonkers in 48 hours time when they understand that Kagawa is the first ever Japanese to play for the biggest club in the world..
Hell…
hi Romers,
kagawa at that price,that a massive bargain. i really hope we wrap this thing very quick, dont want the media to come sniffing around.
If I was a footballer I’d like to play in Bora Bora – so good they named it twice.
Paradise personified
”He Wants to play at Manchester United . Not for money.” -Dortmund CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke on Kagawa.
@Sandeep: Manna to the ears, balm to a bruised red soul. Thank you.
Giggsy’sChest @ 22:19
I just got around to reading your post from last night AWESOME !
Jeet
how are you mate?
must be boring without United playing..
at least hope we sign couple so that we are busy reading/watching about the signings..
@Balaji Sivaraman
I can understand Berbatovs marginalisation. For all his qualities he doesn’t provide the pace that Fergie was looking for us to play with AND he is a form Striker who usually requires a games to find a rich vein of goal scoring form
As for Fabio I think its a tough one with him, Rafael got lucky with injuries which have allowed him time to develop both tactically and physically. Fabio while the more natural footballer has Patrice in his way who never gets injured and even though Evras not at his best at this stage he is more reliable than Fabio. And it ends up being a catch 22 situation, if Fabio isnt getting games then he is ready to give Evra a challenge and without that challenge Evra is pushed. A loan is what he needs at this point, even just to Jan would do him a world of good.
@Jeet
Unless Modric starts acting like Tevez then I don’t see him leaving Spurs. As you have said Levy will simply price him out of any deal. Perhaps if they fail to get CL football next season as well Levy won’t have a choice.
@Bobby Charlton’s combover
Yes one player can disrupt the dressing room but where is the evidence that Hazard is a disruption in the dressing room? We also don’t know he demanded to play anywhere, all players will talk about their prefered position and we also have to remember his quotes were not in English so context may have been lost in translation. Any interview not in English has to be taken with a little bit of a pinch of salt as its then open for whoever translates it to put their own spin on it
RE: North West
Manchester clearly isnt as much of a problem as Sunderland but London is a big draw for players especially the foreign ones. While Manchester isn’t cut off from the world London is a slightly easier transport hub, is perceived as providing a better social life and is a world reknowned city. Its actually the same in all industry, if you are a company based in London the attracting staff is easier especially from abroad (Uk people may realise more that London isnt the be all and end all and that infact it costs significantly more to live there)
@Jeet
Problem is while he may get alot of playing time at Chelsea any promise by Abramovich is slightly empty. Yes he has interfered with team selection in the past but ultimatly the manager still can freeze a player out. We don’t know who the Chelsea manager will be next season and what formation will be played so its a risk imho.
Balaji … That was a very perceptive post, back there. Cheers pal. Still catching up on all the others from the regulars!
Hazturd has been flushed, joining the other brown-noses up that Roman butt.
Good riddance.
@macdud ,park , giggs, scholes, Owen ,berbatov , scholes and giggs were great for us but time moves on we cant b relying on them next season again ,all the above r not good enuf anymore, o sorry Anderson also…
Brendan
That doesn’t explain why you think were stuck with the same shit.
Hazard is a forward. Call him a midfielder if you like but to play him there you have to play a 3 man midfield.
So he would of been a winger or a forward for United.
Berbatov and Owen are leaving.
So that leaves Rooney, Hernandez, Wellbeck, Nani, Valencia and Young.
Would any of these be who you are referring to as ” stuck with the same shit”?
Sandeeps post at 11.58 sums up Hazard nicely.
@wakey – I’m not saying he is disruptive but it could become disruptive putting him into a harmonious dressing room with the demands he has apparently been making.
I read this morning that City pulled out of the race a week back and I wouldn’t be surprised if United have done the same and that’s what has prompted him to say he’s going to Chelsea as it’s the only option he has left.
Out of interest, in 192 appearances, Hazard has 50 goals and 30 assists compared to Kagawa who, in 198 appearances, has scored 86 goals and 45 assists. Only Franck Ribery created more clear-cut goalscoring opportunities in the Bundesliga this season than Kagawa, with Ribery on 16 and Kagawa on 15.
Hazard will cost Chelsea a total of 78m total. I won’t say that I didn’t want him. He is a highly talented player. And attitude-wise, I thought Sir Alex can fix that.
But, the shit people spout over one player not choosing.
“We can’t compete with the big teams anymore” – Did you say the same thing when Ronaldinho didn’t come to us? Look what we got instead – Cristiano Ronaldo! And what a force of nature he was for us.
“We are after people from a club like Crewe” – Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are, in my book, the best when it comes to judging young talent. I thought the club a player played for didn’t matter if he had talent. Did you all cry when we bought Ole Gunnar Solskjaer from FC Molde? Even if you did, I bet you shut up as soon as you saw him play!
Not every player is going to want to play for United. I know, unbelievable right? Get over it! There are idiots in the world. He missed his chance to play alongside some of the best players in the world, in the greatest club in the world, under the greatest manager of all time. His loss. There are plenty of other talented players who want to play for us. Manchester United will move on. We will never die.
GGMU
Kagawa is shite anyways. Don’t come up with stats you fools, his stats are cool because he has played in shite Japanese league. Take his goals/assists count out from Japan and see what his numbers are in a decent European league. No brainer, he is above average at his best.
i hope dis guy is not another gervinho.
Kagawa looks set to come in. A good buy to sell the shirts in Asia , if he was a good as you all say on here real or barca would be intrested in him, we couldn’t get our first target because he picked Chelsea …
He’s Asian so he’s coming to sell shirts.
Just the sort of ignorant negative coment I’ve come to expect from Brendan.
Never heard about Barca or Madrid knocking Hazards door down.
bastard is a twat-faced cunt just like Nasri except Belgian
Brendan – Oh bore off you negative cunt. As mancdub said did Madrid or Barca want Hazard? How ignorant are you to state the shirt sales thing ? Tell you summat my friend. Go and watch a bit of football lad.
United should have another go for Snijeder. He might be 27 but we could do with his expirence and if we Get Kagawa then United will look prity hot next season. United missed the creativity in midfield last season there was games that we hardly has any shots. We need that added bonus in the middle. Our wingers contributed well but the rest was shocking.
A few days ago, one it was reported by one of the ‘sites’ that through a credible source from hazards family was that he he was set on joining Utd even though it meant lower pay only that his agents were holding him back so that he could listen to offers from other clubs. This is reminiscent of Pogba’s saga, agent advising him to hold back for a better deal and in the end, the agent formally informs UTD that his client will be joining Juventus at the end of the season and will pocket a huge ammount of money for the deal. As for Morrison, SAF was quoted saying that if there was any chance of that kid saving his career as well as his life(due to his gang affiliation) he had to get away from the city of Manchester not to mention that he tried his best to turn him around. There are few people in the World that can make such decisions like him, as for Pogba and Hazard its a case of letting the agents have a say in the deals.
SAF may make his mistakes and he always learns from them, that is why he has been a top manager for over 25 years buying when he sees the need not when others are splashing the cash. He has been handed the biggest challenge, no make it 2 challenges in his career.
1. 2 team with huge cash reserves that offer blank cheques to players and their agents
2. He has to adopt a new playing style that will enable us to dominate Europe no matter which team we will play
Seriously, to place that at the feet of a 70 year man and still bitch about every thing that is going on at the club from the owners to the jersey without thinking that is going through SAF’s mind right now. HE KNOWS!!!!! The man is a born winner, defeat sickens him and drives him on but do we expect him to compete using the same methods as other clubs no way. One of the things he will never do is erode the UTD tradition, its history. That is why every new player is taken to the trophy room and shown what we have have won and believe me, those trophies have their own stories to tell and correct me if I am wrong none of them has a story that goes,” we spent alot of money on players and bought this title”. So if a player doesn’t sign for the club, lets not get depressed and call them all sorts of names or think that the club is failing to attract top talent. It could be a case of players not wanting the burden of putting on a red shirt and playing infront of 76,000 people while having millions of fans watching you from home. Instead they choose the easiest routes out like signing for a club that has a good project for the future. To play for our great club, you have to be ready to give 110% when your team mate is functioning at 90% but not because you want a big bank balance at the end of the week. So if Hazard has signed for Chelsea, well good luck there, he is going to need it
We are United and we never die…We pick our selves up and move on
19
Told ya
May 25, 2012 at 23:05
Adam. says:
I do think that kagawa is a done deal for united though.
Georgebest7 – totally agree. I think he used this as a publicity stunt to show that he is a wanted player and as a leverage for wages at Chelsea where he will also get all the playing time he wants.
May 25, 2012 at 03:05
Adam says:
He’s made a comment before the 3 clubs were officially announced that he’d be wearing blue next season. Sorry guys, I wouldn’t hold my breath..money will make all the difference. I think he’ll go to Chelsea, they probably offered same as City and he would get plenty of game time.
May 25, 2012 at 07:30
zelh says:
Adam – that’s a fake quote. He never said that.
May 25, 2012 at 22:59
Adam. says:
Zelh – we’ll see how fake on the 2nd:) I really think that united and city was used as a leverage to get what he wants out of chelsea- crazy money and play time.
@foreverred – I agree on the Pogba point.
I knew we wouldn’t get Hazard, oh well, but I’m more seriously disappointed in what we already had emerging as great midfielder without forking over a crazy amount of money – Pogba.
I really think that he would have stayed had SAF showed him that he’s trusts his abilities and sees him as a regular in the first team in the next year by actually giving him game time. I think that’s why he was waiting around, but when Scholes was played game in game out that turned him away and I don’t blame him.
If SAF was concerned over the risk factor, I think he at least could have replaced Scholes or Carrick with Pogba when we had a result in the bag with Pogba. I think his primary goal was game time, not money, that’s why that whole scenerio was drawn out so long, but in the end SAF showed him by actions that he dosn’t quite trust him in the first team, and that he would most likely sit on the bench for the next year as the word was that Scholes was sticking around for at least that long.
As much as I respect SAF, losing Pogba was preventable and it’s going to be obvious in the next year what the amount of talent that we lost.
Eden Hazard: 192 apps, 50 goals and 30 assists. Shinji Kagawa: 198 apps, 86 goals and 45 assists.
AND Hazard can only play from one foot!
And it really sickens me about the “fans” who piss and moan about United not being able to compete and going backwards and all this crap. You really do give United fans the “glory hunter” name. If you want to support a club just because they win games and can compete in transfer markets fuck off to Shitty or Chelsea.
Manchester United Football Club is a club that is supported because of its morals, history and its legacy. True fans support the club and remember the values of the club, even when mercenary clubs with billionaire owners are on the up.
Yes its disappointing in some cases that United has its debts and not the billions available to other teams, however United is the BIGGEST sporting franchise in the world; and no matter how you dress it the Glazers are very clever at what they do, and that is enhancing a sporting franchise.
I’d much rather support a club that has morals, history and values than a team of mercenaries, even if the trophies aren’t coming.