Bolton’s Stuart Holden has revealed today that he will be out for six months after an injury he picked up following a challenge from Jonny Evans. Evans was sent off, despite replays showing both players lifted one foot of the floor and Evans actually won the ball. It’s only pure good fortune which saw Evans get away without an injury and bad luck that has left Holden with such a lengthy injury.
Despite criticism from some sections of the press and rival fans, Bolton manager Owen Coyle said it was a “50-50 challenge” and reckoned it was “it looked as though two players were committed going for the ball.” Today, Holden has also claimed that Evans was not to blame and for as frustrating as it is for him, is just one of those things.
On Twitter: “Just had a sincere phone call from Jonny Evans wishing me the best in my recovery, def wasn’t intentional, just unfortunate part of the game.”
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Have got loads of time for this guy, he’s been very unfortunate with breaking his leg last year and now this. Looks a good little player too in the centre of the park, been one of the best midfielders in the Premiership this season in my opinion. Good luck in your recovery dude!
Fair play to Holden. Wish him all the best.
At least he isn’t a fag about it
Get Well Soon Stuart, Unfortunate!
He may not have meant it, the other bloke might have nearly done him as well, but either way that sort of challenge ought not to be happening. Too dangerous. It’s a shame for Evans that he should have such a great game then do something like this, but it’s an absolute shocker for the poor sod whose career has now been severely damaged.
As I said before if we give the likes of Evans a pass when they do this kind of thing without hostile intentions then you inadvertantly give dirty players an excuse to try to damage others. There ought to be consistency from referees and that ought to err on the side of sending players off for dangerous play, malicious or not.
Besides if Evans hadn’t got the red card we’d have seen more pressure on referees to fuck us up in our next game, so maybe Evans has taken one for the team on that front.
Fair play to the lad. Get well soon.
straight red, no problem with it, Johnnys first red too.
Get well soon Stuart.
Off topic. Fucking beetroot cunt Redknapp mouthing off about how the others are handing the Premiership over to United, saying that this is the worst team in history to possibly win it. Fuck off you cunt, it’s not our fault your team is shit and the others haven’t got the bottle.
Very unfortunate that he has to be out for so long. He was one of the best players on the field against United. I still feel Evans was reckless with that challenge.
Get well soon, nice comment on the tackle.
You know I kinda fancy him wearing our shirt. His movement and passing skills somewhat remind me of Scholes.. not at his level but he’s been improving so much since he joined Bolton. A player that doesn’t make too much noise either, just get on the pitch, do the job he is told to do and that’s it. No fuss.
We’ve all been merked. That wasn’t Douglas Costa at our game. Even the club, fell for It.
Very unfortunate for Holden and Bolton that he’ll be out for such a period of time. Good to see both his and Coyle’s comments about the tackle, as I am sure there was no bad intentions from Evans. It was a terribly clumsy and both go into it with a lot of speed and power, which in my opinion is a pretty decent recipe for injuries, one way or the other. Even though Johnny did not mean to injure Holden, hopefully he’ll learn a thing or two about coming in with his studs firts, which should and must be punished.
Im sorry for the lad, but any united fans condeming evans, consider this. He pulls out of the challenge, holden runs through and scores, league over. Jonny did exactly the right thing, went in strong but fair, if you cant see the difference between that and carraghers tackle on nani your mentally challenged.
Fair play to this dude, obviously a good pro, and has been really unfortunate with injuries in his short career so far. Missed the World Cup with a broken leg right? He’s a good little player too, zips round the pitch well, and played very well at OT.
Despite this though, it was still a bad challenge, because it was a dangerous challenge. Thats obvious because the guy got injured badly, and is out for 6 months apparently!
Good luck to him in his recovery.
I agree with Doghouse, while Evans tackle was not intentional the sending of for the reckless aspect of it was 100% correct and if not punished it would give every dirty, snidey player an excuse for doing the same.
Top marks for Holdens honesty, does he want a job and I’m fucking serious.
@North Stand Tier 2: when at sunderland he was jumped in the street by some scum and bust his eye socket too putting him out for a while also. He really must have pissed someone off in a former life.
Kings – if this is the worst united team ever how bad are the rest, redknappp hyping his spurms team has the best team since the 80s and they cant even challenge for the title, what does that say about spurms
So now all the ABU media can shut the fuck up because it is what it is and was nothing else
And the player concerned said so.
End of story
All the best with your recovery Stuart Holden.
Jonny and Stuart are both good lads who work hard for their teams.
The maturity that both have shown from the moment of the double-launch until now has been exemplary, as has the attitude from both clubs and managers.
Bad luck lads.
Fair play to the kid. Six months seems a hell of a long time though. Still don’t think it was that bad and disagree Doghouse that these challenges should be stopped. What stop 50-50 balls now, as thats what it really was? The game is being run by fucking ponces and you cannot even put a challenge in now. You only have to look at the above picture to see Holden’s studs were up.
Kings – Yeah seen it mate from beetroot face. I don’t think he said its the worst side but we are playing the worst . Well yeah same thing really! This is the cunt who 2 months ago said they could certainly win the league. NOW however its next season. They get more like the fucking dippers by the day. I hate all this “handed by default” shite. We can only beat whats infront of us.
fitb – Hello mate. Ain’t seen you for a while, are you ok?
Evans was not lucky cos just comming from injury and will serve 3 match ban . ref. correctly sent him off
How the fuck was Evans reckless? Sorry but it annoys me. The lad went in for a fucking fifty fifty ball as did Holden. Holden came out the worst but could easily have been Jonny. Anyway you would be moaning if Jonny jibbed the tackle and Holden ended up clear on goal.
willie – How do you know mate? Who told you that? Thought it seemed a bit odd.
King Eric – yea I have been moving to a new flat, and virgin internet has been a twat so not been on ROM much. Plus I hardly comment in match days has its to many trolls commenting, made one comment on the bolton match when I was getting annoyed united not taking advantage of arsenal slipping up well they were about to. How about you, now I will be commenting more on ROM like I used to YAHOOOO.
Get well soon lad. It was an unlucky moment. I bet you that Nani would have also been as generous with Carragher if he was sure the cunt didn’t mean it.
@KIng Eric
I think they were both reckless to be fair, but that’s part of the game. You take chances with 50-50 balls. Other than Holden getting well soon, I hope this doesn’t affect Evans.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/6061/8/man-united-admit-transfer-target-costa-was-not-old-trafford-saturday
King Eric – Here’s the story.
That is a brilliant attitude from the lad. He could have easily reacted with anger or bitterness as he is out for such a period of time. And he is right, it was just an unfortunate event, Evans had to make the challenge.
Off topic – Why on earth do people persist on writing “First” if they happen to post the first comment. It isn’t cool or clever, and it makes you look like a moron. It would be great if Scott would begin to delete any comment which is along the line of “First” or “1st”.
It’s 50-50, and the part of the game you can’t help. Unless you just tackle like De Jong or Carragher, when they go in seemingly smelling blood.
What’s you talking about willie? So I wasn’t in the stadium? I fooled you all.
Durham on talksport saying its the same de jong and carras tackle, he really lets himself down when he spouts drivel like that, I can understand why he loves carra these days cos some of his big mated where gonna break his legs not sure why he thinks its the same as de jongs though apart from the fact he is ignoring the evidence. also neither de jong nor carra where sent off.
Cheers Willie
FITB – Yeah good thanks mate. Good to see you back.
King Eric – He should be a fucking comedian mate. When they won in Milan against AC in the first leg, he goes into the gantry after the game and grabs his sons hand and then shakes Souness by the hand in excitement after their win, classless fucking idiot. You will never see Fergie do something like that. He then gives it large about fancying anyone in the draw apart from Barcelona. All that and not to mention his claims 2 months ago – as you rightly stated – that they will win the league this season. Now he is saying next season and with the addition of two more players in the same mould as Modric, then anything is possible. Yeah they are becoming more deluded than the dippers and also Arsenal. When saying that we have been poor, he seems to overlook the fact that we still have much better players than what he has. There is absolutely no one in that Spurs side I would swap a United player for. Silly cunt.
mattbw – Is that what the ginger bastard is saying? Funny Collymore on his show Saturday said it was nowt like De Jongs . Durham is a wum who encourages traffic by getting United fans wound up. He does it well, as Kings and I for starters waste money phoning or texting!!
fergie is the boss – I know, what a cunt he really is.
Kings – Ha ha. Is that what he did? Really? Barged on to the set to shake hands. Oh hang on. As I type I remember it. Yes he fucking did didn’t he. Didn’t they say “heres the man of the moment” or summat daft? What a fucking clown.
Speaking of De Jong, he injured Holden 12 months ago in a friendly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEt24YOF5I
And then of course there was his beauty on Ben Arfa. Only an idiot would compare Evans with De Jong.
Hey lads can’t believe Arry the cunt is running his mouth again claiming that we’re poor,oh fuck me this is the same person who claimed they would’ve won the league,clearly deludued I’d say!
Fair play to Holden to point out that it wasn’t intentional and to be honest it was a ball that could’ve been won,a 50-50 I’d say.
Ah the london scum are at it again and the ABU claiming that Chelsea are still in the race,ah they can get fucked,oh deary me! This fucken plastic team spirit of theirs will be wiped out come Old Trafford in the second leg,we’ll fuckin do them and shut the ABU up!
Lads is it me or do I hate internationals…because United won’t be playing!
Worth a try? Paul Pogba scored a peach versus derby
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/paul-pogba-derby-8816786/
mattbw7 – That Durham is a fucking ginger cunt mate. Yeah both King Eric and I have voiced our displeasure with them, but unfortunately it falls on deaf ears. The best we can hope for is that all connected with talksport have something bad happen to them.
King Eric – Absolutely mate. I was totally embarrassed for him.
King Eric – oh yes im back. Looks like harrys comments really are now the talk of the town, the twat hate the over hyped clown, who has not won anything special in his life other than a 4th place CL position
HARGREAVES’ CURLY HAIR – I do think now with valencia fully recovered, the legs of anderson and park there is more acceration and energy in the team. I do think united have been a very one paced outfit this season with no valencia in the side, even thougg valencia will need to work on his other skills.
Mark ogden from the telegraph is pretty convinced it was Costa, as are a load of the Journo’s that were sitting near him. Someone get on mutv and ask big P Crerrand later
@King Eric
The game should be run by ponces, to an extent, if we want it to be played to a high standard. You can’t play good football with the best players at risk. The bottom line is that if you say a 50/50 ball is an excuse to go in studs up then every good player is a target. The dirtier players will only need to see a bit of the ball, claim they had a legitimate shot at it, and bang.
I would rather watch quality football on a Saturday afternoon than a fight. I would rather see less injuries in the English league. Does that mean the game has to be less physical? Not necessarily, because you can still be plenty physical in a match without going in over the top with your studs showing.
It is arguable that very few injuries are directly caused by a bad tackle, but I tell you what they don’t help. Bruising, cuts, shock to joints and ligaments, it all adds to the wear and tear on players. These are tough young men but the season is long and there is precious little respite.
I do enjoy watching players get stuck in, we all do, but it’s a guilty pleasure, like watching Formula One for the crashes. The lads are on the pitch to play football, not kick each other about. Hell watching the Liverpool and Chelsea games, where our lads were getting the shit kicked out of them, that wasn’t fun, that wasn’t entertainment, and it wasn’t just about the scoreline, mood I was in by half time at Anfield I was ready to kill something, I was furious, I bet every United fan who watched that game felt the same way. That’s not what the game is about, and I wouldn’t want to see any team brutalised as our lads were in those two games, whether by United or any other club, it’s not what the game is about.
And I realise this makes me sound like Arsene Wenger, sorry about that. Point is though, a little more protection for the players on the pitch would suit me fine. Not too much, not Champions League or International style, but I think the referee in the Bolton game was about spot on.
The TalkSport liars at it again.
“United sources initially claimed Costa was at Old Trafford but talkSPORT has since been informed it was a case of mistaken identity which has caused some embarrassment at the club.”
If those ‘United sources’ were relevant, much more would be made of this by TalkShite.
The ‘United sources’ are probably citizens of the United Kingdom.
Scott – please will you delete comments from moron’s writing 1st please? Just a suggestion and i’m sure I’m not alone on this…..
def agree with Doghouse, the game has no place for scummers like Carragher who can get away with saying they went for the ball. That tackle still disgusts me even now. If keano had of been playing he’d of had had carragher lying spark out on the grass. I think thats a problem with this current team, when it comes to away games ie chelsea & liverpool, there aint enough Hughes / Bruce / keane players in the dressing room anymore. fletch and carrick although good honest players, arnt going to scare someone like Essien who gets the foot in.
@fergie is the boss
Agreed mate,though I think Valencia is that orthodox type of winger,he isn’t as flashy as Nani but he is very effective at what he does,though as you mention it wouldn’t hurt for him to add more to his game,I like Tony V he’s a modest lad who loves playing for the shirt and I was so glad to see him back.
By any chance don’t you think Rio and Hargo might have an outside chance of making the Hammers game? I really miss my namesake and I love his curly hair.
One last thing I hope Rio quits Ingerlund,what a bunch of classless cunts they are,backing Tiny Tears that fucking whinger that scum makes me cringe every time I see him grinning!
@doghouse
I do enjoy watching players get stuck in, we all do, but it’s a guilty pleasure, like watching Formula One for the crashes
exactly mate…
i also enjoy it when we are not playing well…
I am a United source
But I like to keep it under the radar to speak of lol
petemanc
Should the deletion of posts be limited to the comments of ’1st’ ?
Who choses what gets deleted?
Should the second comment be allowed to stand, even if it is: “Sir Alex is a %&#@!” ?
Kings and King Eric they get me as well but usually its me ranting agianst Gough I think the last two times was on Rooneys return and last Friday when he was papping on about Fergie getting the ban moved, I cant help it, I think its called passion, my wife thinks its funny.
HARGREAVES’ CURLY HAIR – I also did wish hargreaves could return, has he would give us options at RB RW and the engine room. like ronaldo says god knows when hargreaves will be back, having hargeaves and rio has part of our spine would give united extra quality that is needed. has for tony V, it would be great if he would sometimes cut inside and have a shot not always look for the cross. Look at nani on saterday, he cut inside shot and it led to the goal so its always a help if our wingers do go for that something different.
Blue tomato, now your dog’s not alone
Without a taste in your mouth
Without a sauce of your own.
mattbw7 – That Darren Gough is a fat cunt who has no business in discussing football issues. He should stick to dancing or that other sport he was shit at. Mate, United is my love and I get passionate about them and equally take exception to any fucking bastard talking about them and all associated with them in such derogatory terms.
24 years ago tonight Guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0jekbsQ44
Get Well soon Robbo
Happy anniversary of your greatest night, CedarsDevil! I’ll have a drink for you!
Can’t believe that there ate some people who believe it shouldn’t have been a sending off !!! It was clear as daylight and to suggest otherwise is blinding bias. Yes they both went in for the ball, the difference is that Evans caught him and Holden didn’t therefore Evans gets sent off Holden gets injured.
I have no doubt that Evans didn’t go in maliciously he simply isnt that type of player but a challenge doesn’t have to be malicious for it to be worthy of a straight red. And none of that ‘he got the ball’ bull, you cant go through the player to get the ball! I guarantee that if it was one of our players injured we’d all have been up in arms if he wasn’t sent off, and rightly so !
Seein a challenge like that and the consequences it had hammers home the point of how lucky Nani is to be playing a few weeks after that assault !!!
@Fergie is the boss
Valid points as always mate
I just hope that Tony V would do the same, Nani has been a class act this season,he wouldn’t have taken a dent to his confidence had it not been for that thug Carragher! I hate that smirking cunt,anyway glad to have our 2 world-class wingers back,Wayne should probably get between 8-10 goals at the business end of the season with Tony V back.
Oh and another thing I’d like to get off my chest is Carrick he was immense in the second half against Bolton,how people can slag is beyond imaginable,just goes to show some United fans are so clogged up in having a top class midfielder ASAP,one thing I’d say is that he is a defensive midfielder and not an attacking one,he has a job to do and that is to protect the back four which he did very well in the second half. I am for one glad that he signed a contract extension,as he’s English and he has that hunger to win,as soon as things wouldn’t go well,I doubt he’s one who would be looking to jump ship.
He is a great passer of the ball and I feel needs two things to add to his game: shoot more outside the 18 yard area,and 2: To regain his confidence he earlier showed in his United career!
SOME IDIOTS NEED TO GET IT INTO THEIR THICK SKULLS THAT IF EVANS DOESNT GO INTO THAT CHALLENGE IT COULD OF COST US THE LEAGUE. EVANS WON THE BALL FIRST WITH ONE LEG BECAUSE HE WAS QUICKER TO IT AND MORE COMMITTED THAN HOLDEN. UNFORTUNATELY HE CAUGHT THE BOY ON THE FOLLOW THROUGH. ANYONE WHO DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THIS HAS OBVIOUSLY NEVER PLAYED THE GAME. STRONG AND FAIR CHALLENGE BUT SOMETIMES NASTY INJURIES LIKE THIS PARTICULAR ONE SWAY THE REFS DECISION. I HOPE HOLDEN RECOVERS QUICKLY BUT IF THE SAME STRETCH OF PLAY HAPPENED AGAIN AS UNITED FANS WE WOULD WANT JONNY TO GO IN JUST AS HE DID, HARD BUT FAIR.
He definately isn’t that type of player Drogba will confirm that.
Good on him for having the balls to defend Evans, would have been so much easier to use the sympathy card and stirred the shit.
@bchilds
Yeah, true that. However, looking at that picture, it would have been hard for Holden to do that. It’s funny how identical their tackles look. He was just unlucky to end up 2nd best there.
Good on ya lad. Best player for Bolton by some measure this season. Surely do admire his response and that of his manager. Hope some of us show as much class if and when the inevitable reversal happens. Its a mans game innit?!
Did some poking around on the guardians excellent chalkboards site.
Stuart holden was the best midfielder for them and only lost to Carrick by a couple of percent in pass completions (80 v 82 percent). Only went back a couple of games, but Stu had similar stats v Villa(H) in a 3-2 win, Newcastle(A) in a 1-1 draw and Everton(H) in a 2-1 win. Will be a serious loss to them.
matt – Yeah mate my wife thinks pretty much the same. It does get me though. My mates think I am insane “Chill Neil ” and “don’t let it bother you” but it does, a lot. Like Kings says it gets my bloodboiling listening to two bit cunts like that talking about United like we are a comedy club or nomarks. Show some fucking respect to the club that will soon be the undisputed kings of english football! I cannot actually get through now without with holding my number as they say I was abusive to Stan. Indeed I was.
Doghouse – Fair points pal. Liked your line about sounding like Wenger but I get the jist. For me thought Football IS about getting stuck in, but like you say, without the studs up. For example the Arsenal game was a bit quiet the other week. That is till Wayne scythed Sagna in two. Even nowadays the fans love a good old hard tackle. I get your point though fella. No studs!
pmclevey – Thats just it though pal. I do not find Essien scary. Not in the slightest. He isnt even that tough really. Very over rated if you ask me. A great player two seasons ago but since his long term injuries he isn’t the same player for me. Fletcher goes in harder than him when on form.
Valencia doesnt need to add anything to his game. Not at all. Well use his left a bit but thats academic to me. He is great as he is. No tricks, no frills, no poncing about just proper raw power and pace. He was immense the last 15 minutes when he went central. A top player imo.
AAAHHH!!! Fucking internationals! No club football for two weeks is like cold turkey. Can’t stand the emptiness.
Gerko.
Spot on mate. Whitesides to Robsooooooooooonnnnnn!
Theater of Dreams!!!! Get well Robbo!
Hi Kings for the most part I can handle Durham, he’ll make a point to get the calls coming in cos its his job and fair play to him and most of the time he will be swayed by a decent argument, the difference with Gough is he tries to play Devils advocate but he really he just comes accross as a bit of a plank, take last weeks debate on UTD asking the FA to begin SAFs ban immediatley, he had a bit a of a love in with another yorkshire div about Fegie having the FA over a barrel and likening it to someone being sent to jail and choosing the time of thier going. I mean what a crap attempt at an anology and never mind he totally ignored the fact that the reason the ban didnt originally start immediatley was to allow time for an appeal to be heard so when UTD decided not to appeal they logically asked for the ban to begin against Bolton, ok that helps us slightly in that SAF will be back for Arsenal but why should the FA concern themselves with who are opponents where going to be during the ban as the punishment was given against UTD and SAF and wasn’t for the benefit or not of any teams we might face, he just couldn’t see it and preferred to let his obvious ABU affliction to boil up. Laughed my cock off the stupid pratt.
“Chill Neil”. Heh. I’ll remember that.
His dad is the King, and he said “Good Knight, kneel before me!”
Young whippersnapper (later to be known as King Eric), hiding in the wings instead of being asleep, thought he’d been bust “Er, night dad. So my name’s Neil then? Cool!”
bchilds @ 18:36: “Good on him for having the balls to defend Evans, would have been so much easier to use the sympathy card and stirred the shit.”
Let’s not forget that Owen Coyle said much the same thing. I’ve been impressed with his managerial determination and the way that his teams – first Burnley and now Bolton – have played.
This Arrwy Redcrap interview is really too much.
Man United Winning title by default is it?? Is it?
Oct 30 Manchester United v Tottenham 2-0
Jan 16 Tottenham Hotspur v Manchester 0-0
Thats 4 points to us and 1 to you. Push off you sorry excuse for a publicity hound.
Last time I looked, the only way you win the title is by having more points at the end of the season. Doesnt matter if you had injuries, dosen’t matter if you had a bad ref for crucial games, doesn’t matter if you were competing on 2 other fronts while your opposition only had one. It does mean that you found a way to take points more than anyone else which you didn’t do this week and we did. Go back to your hole Arrwy.
“Today, Holden has also claimed that Evans was to blame…”
You mean “wasn’t”, Scott?
HARGREAVES’ CURLY HAIR – I dont think carrick has been doing anything special, he is like mascherano without the bite passes it sidewards. There is no ronaldo so the likes of carrick got to do more in the engine room
Mattbw7 –
I was listening to it last week too when Gough was talking shite. To be fair to Durham he did say what’s the point in having a ban put on manager then delaying it by a game. Makes no sense at all. Durham can be annoying…but I rather listen to him than Irani, Gough, Collymore…
@FITB
Hi mate. Something I’ve wondered since Ronaldo left. I keep hearing that Carrick has suffered from his departure. In what way though? We still play with wingers and he could never spray passes like Scholes could anyway. Maybe I am missing something.
@ King Eric yeah i know what you mean mate, but i think Essien gave a masterclass against us in that game at stamford bridge recently, his energy levels were something else, box to box constantly, breaking things up then bombing forward. Just a shame we knocked him back for being too small. Hes exactly what wer missing, imagine him instead of carrick in our midfield.
Redknapp is a fucking cunt!A man who clearly believes his own hype.I pray he gets the england job and gets his reputation destroyed like Steve McLaren.
I don’t think Evans was being dirty, but he’s certainly hard. I was reminded of that game against Chelsea where he took out Drogba and left him twitching on the ground.
We need people like Evans. I’m tired of seeing us bullied – Liverpool and Chelsea the other week, Bayern last year. If Carragher and Ruis and Van Bommel know we’ve got someone equally capable of taking out Gerrard or Lampard or Lamm, then maybe they will be a little less reckless in future.
If Chelsea win the title…. they showed real character to come back from x numbers of points to catch United.
If Arsenal win the title…. they have won it the ‘right’ way.
If United win the title…. They’ve won it by default.
sorry if someone else has mentioned this but… reserves played today, won 2-1 away to newcastle.. gabby obertan with both goals in the second half
morrison got sent off also for an off the ball incident with james perch who also got sent off
also petrucci is looking good… come off the bench on the 53rd minute and assisted both goals for obertan
If Obertan could only show half the form he has in the reserves for the first team we would have a quality player.
Costas – more to do with the fact quality has left and some of our midfielders are crocked and getting older every year and are outg of form, has maybe exposed his short comings.
take for instints ronaldo leaving thats 1
hargreaves crocked for 2 years thats 2
scholes is not the player of 2006/07 and 2007/08, he is injured allot recently
fletcher is suffering the worst season since the 2005/06 season.
anderson keeps picking up 2 month injurys, and he has never really recovered the form he showed in his first season
#ryandummy: you’re spot on
@ryandummy: about the title not about obertan
@FITB
Yeah, I see what you mean. That since he left, the rest of the midfield have to carry a bigger load creatively and scoring wise. The sad thing is that like I’ve said in the past, some of these players reached their peak when Ronaldo reached his at United. It’s not so much his departure that’s caused the problem. The problems among our midfield personel have slowly piling up for the last 2 years. And it’s natural given that every area on the pitch needs to freshen up after a while and pur midfield has been the same for the last 3-5 years.
Bebe and King’s goals for the Reserves last thursday against Sunderland
http://www.exyi.com/eqX7IXBD5sO__manchester-united-reserves-2-2-sunderland-reserv
“The Reds’ Ravel Morrison and Newcastle’s James Perch were both sent off on the brink of the interval following an off-the-ball incident. Morrison had come closest to opening the scoring just a few minutes before his red card, when a wind-assisted 30-yarder hit the crossbar.”
http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/Reserves/Reserves-News/2011/Mar/Reserves-Newcastle-v-United.aspx
@smartalex. Cheers for the link. My word, that bebe strike was very impressive. Wonder if he can do that with 72000fans screeming for him to
SHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!! :LOL:
Fuck Peter Kenyon etc coz Manchester rule. 4 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-bdtEH-Fd4
PleasureFletchTHEMAN. Certainly relieving to see Obi and Bebe doing well in the reserves. Many players go no further, but surely those that shine are most likely to go far?
I still think Bebe could prove to be a good signing. Has all the natural ability. And although his crossing was average against Crawley… it was dramatically improved from the Wolves game on the 6th!
Hope fans are patient with him.
@willierednut 16:14, That is tooo funny! Some mug shows up talking portuguese and they show him to the directors box for a view of the game. HA HA HA HA HA.
@Costas, quess your moniker is safe for now. Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
@FletchTHEMAN
Haha, yeah mate, looks like it. This club is not big enough for 2 Costas.
Highlights, and Sir ALex on the phone during the Bolton game, under 2 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAOxrbbKK24
Hi Rai I was one of the ones on the radio digging into him, as for Irani he’s one of those fans that leaves early everytime he goes to OT, he admitted he missed Owens winner against the Berties last year, tosser.
@smartalex
Lol! I liked the rice bit.
Watching that video again, I noticed that Nani’s left foot shot was better than his right foot effort. Again. His is a weirdo, lol. He crosses better with the right but he shoots better with his left.
Apparently morrison’s red card means that he will miss both legs against chelsea in fayc… Damn
I also laughed at the rice, and the taxi!
Perhaps when Nani is shooting with his left he adopts a routine that he’s practiced more than his natural right, making his left more consistent? I’m just guessing.
Accountability Will Lead To Consistency In Football
http://www.theunitedreligion.com/2011/03/accountability-will-lead-to-consistency.html
Mattbw7 – That station can be infuriating but at the same time addictive. Was better a few years ago though
Morning lads; just catching up on RoM in the middle of a hectic week at work and on this forum!
Saw some posts on the previous article about Berba’s contract negotiations. I hope he stays and we do the right thing by him. Top player, top professional and never a bad word from him, despite being on the bench for so many games and so many big ones. And to those who say he hasnt scored crucial goals this season, that’s nonsense. Everton away, Bolton the other day and Liverpool are just a few that come to mind. It’s not his fault that he scored four more after getting the crucial opener against B’burn. Came a damn sight close to scoring at Anfield the other day. To my mind, he is just too good a player for us to let go off. We have always relied on pacy wingers and a goal poacher aka RVN/Ole/Chicha. Berba offers something different against stubborn prem defences as well as against some of the European teams – and that tactical flexibility is a supreme godsend. Dont take my Berba away!
@Fergie is the boss
Fair points.
I’d like to see Bebe step up,the same for Gabby Obertan,I mean they are two players who have the ingredients to make it at United,guess as for now we’ll have to wait and see.
Can’t believe Rio rang up Tiny Tears to tell him that there’s no problems whatsoever! Oh fuckin shit what’s up with Rio huh? He should be livid and pissed,I know it’s international football and Ingerlund’s players have to show professionalism amongst one another,but sorry for this, that British Bulldog is the fucking villain here! They should piss on him and leave him hanging! Hearing all this crap that Rio is committed to Ingerlund makes my stomach turn honestly
If Rio comes out and says anything else publicly at least he looks as immature and as unproffesional as the rest of them, he’s playing it spot on for me anything else and the pro JT press will be spinning it how Rio was never captain material etc etc.
Tactics for the Champions League game against the Rentboys at Stamford Bridge. Send Bart Simpson up the wing on a skateboard. When David Luiz goes on one of his famous missions to disembowel him, it should leave a gap at the back for Hernandez to exploit.
Clarke_Utid
Love your plan but sadly Sideshow is ineligible for this one mate
So he is. Completely forgot about that. Fernando’s Wife up the wing then, take CLLC out of the game!
Morning.
Talking of Luiz talk about hyping a player up. Paul Elliot the ex rentboy saying how he looks like a young Franco Baresi. Err. No he doesn’t not at all. Baresi was a beast of a defender. Not sure this cunt can defend.
Also how can Morrison be banned from the youth cup for getting sent off in a reserve game?
@STR
Shouldn’t that say “….was not to blame…?”
David Luiz can’t play in CL.
Already played for Benfica.
Damn it! I am gonna miss the 1st leg. Dear god no! Take one of my balls away, but please let me watch the match. Test the next day, so can’t wake up till 3 30 to watch the match
Wonder if anyone read about the latest in the Glazer saga… 109M loss
King Eric- I had the same question. Apparently a ban you get at any level, is applicable to all other levels of football as well.
honestly don’t know why the glaziers don’t sell,if qatar really did bid 1.5bill its alot of cake.not sure if i understand the figures fully, wakey seems to have a better understanding than most who come on rom.looks like to me there was a 1 time payment of 40mill to change the loans 30mill in pik interest which is now paid off and 20mill because the pound is weak.
none of us will know till the summer but gill still swears that sir alex has a 165mill to spend we’ll see
If you can afford it then smoke Cuban cigars and drink expensive Scotch whiskey, if you cannot afford it then borrow and still do it.
@Cedars lol mate that would apply to most countries nowadays aswell
The media is making out as if the loss figure is news when it was well known the figure would be around this. The last results we got which had a loss of 79mill were for Red Football Ltd (The parent company that holds the Club) but this figure doesn’t include the PIK Interest which was held by the Glazers.
This 109mill figure is for Red Football Join Ventures. This is where the PIK’s are held and its one asset is Red Football Ltd. So what we see with the results is its the loss value of Red Football Ltd + the 30mill in interest that the PIK’s cost the Glazers (although a bunch of that gets paid directly back to the Glazers as during this period they owned around 40mill of the original PIK’s
off topic alot of few teams beginning to sniff around berba,bayern the latest.hope the deal gets done but wouldn’t blame the guy if he did leave has had alot of grief from the fans and this year hasn’t been given given a fair shake by sir alex imo.rooney has recieved alot of favoritism
Looking at the financial analysis. If I was an American, I would say “it’s all Greek to me”. But since that line doesn’t work for me, I’ll just say it’s all Glazeristics to me.
Good Day RoM!
Smokin’!
Both players went in with both feet off the ground and with studs showing. So why wasn’t Holden sent off as well? The ref let him off because he got injured. Poor decision.
@ Gaurav – Yeah I read that this morning. Only a few weeks ago people were rejoicing on how the PIKs have been paid off and the debt has been reduced. In a nutshell clubs finances aren’t transparent at all to the fans, just seems to me they are shifting the debt around from place to place. While they are in charge we I have resigned myself to the fact that there will always be debt. Scapegoats will be made and fans will be split.
Wayne @ 13:33
The problem with Gill is he has a bloody habit of being disingenuous.
Now I don’t necessarily believe that a club needs to throw money around to win trophies…
…however another summer of minimal spending and ‘no value’ comments will be seen as a sign that we are definitely lacking spending power…
…that will lead on to a knock-on effect in regards to us trying to recruit and compete with other top clubs in signing good young players…
…plus some of our stars may become unsettled with the belief that we are in decline. We might stick with the club come hell or high water, but modern footballers are in it for themselves.
In short this summer a marque signing is needed.
the glazier issue has been beaten to death i think its safe to say all utd fans want the club debt free,for some of us its the devil you know glaziers leave the football side alone.
for the club to be taken over debt free its going to take a ton of money because of who utd are.i don’t want to see the club change hands utd still be in debt and then get owners who interfere.
i know some on here think i’m a glazier supporter i’m not just realistic,not sure how many people in this world has a spare 2bill to buy a football club.
Off Topic, Michael Owen Is Now On Twitter Too. @themichaelowen, Its Been Verified!
@NotoriousRedDevil
The thing that needs to be taken into account is that Published Accounts are not a snapshot of the present but of the past. These are effectively the same figures that were published in October but with the PIK interest added in. Since then the Glazers have paid the PIK’s off and the clubs paid down some of the Bonds.
Without some of the exceptional costs mainly related to setting up the bond issue and with the PIK and Bond interest savings next years should look alot better. Although the biggest deduction is the non-cash Goodwill deductions which will almost certainly result in a paper loss being recorded
Afternoon all fellow true reds……
Boring next 10 days or so without proper football so RoM will keep us entertained till then
Wakey Wakey Rise and Shine!
If I ever buy United, I want you on board as financial liaison to the fans.
To be or not to be?
Wait I need to go nap first
Afternoon Cedars how’s your side of the world?
Afternoon MG, all is well here. Having a few battles with annoying fucking mosquitoes thats all!
smartalex, could I apply for a job as well when you take over?
Good afternoon, Sir Devil in the Cedars! Happy anniversary for yesterday.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcxyyu_manchester-united-3-0-fc-barcelona_sport
CedarsDevil, I thought you might want MUTV? So you could invite ABUs, and destroy them!
King Eric – Hello mate. Yeah I heard about that as well. Fuck off Elliott you tosser. Baresi was one of the greatest defenders of all time – to put that cunt in the same bracket is an insult. They’re all the same them ex-rent boy cunts, especially Jason Cunty and Scott Minto. I was flicking through Sky last night and for some strange reason I had access to the Chelsea channel and I had the misfortune of seeing the Cunty and Minto weekend round up show. Next, they will be saying he’s in the same mould as Beckenbauer.
smartalex
Special thanks for that link, you know me too well! Best night of my life that was….. Have the full 90 on DVD of course… Get well soon Robbo
Get well soon Robbo.
MUTV? Very interesting thought, guess a certain big nosed dick head would be my first guest aka victim!
You could have a weekly special “Andy’s Dead-end Dicks.” Where Townsend can take it in the end from special ABU guests, before a fight to the death with nose hair trimmers.
CedarsDevil
Oh mate must be getting hotter if mosquitoes are around
No such thing here in the good old of England but it’s mild for a change!
smartalex
Afternoon to you too mate – Yes – I would like a job too when you take the club over
Do get a move on then to coin a very British phrase
@ Clarke_Utd
Lovely written, brilliant stuff, but I don’t think that Athletic Club Bilbao will let us have Bart Simpson in the near future, Iker Muniain that is
))
Hope BayernNazi are sniffing around, hope they are sniffing for some dog shit, if they are they can have Dzeko and Adebayor, Berbatov is so dear to our hearts we can’t let him leave.
Come on lads, as The Reds go marching on on on !!!!!!
http://www.thenews.pl/sport/artykul151788_kuszczak-set-for-galatasaray-transfer.html
PIG off?
Willie
How are you mate? Not seen you here for a while, hope all is well
RE: PIG. Can you blame him?
smartalex
Done, that would be the title of the weekly show….
So it was not D.Costa at OT but it was a ypung brazilian player…from our connection club in Brazil. this says we had four of them on trial:
http://www.sportingo.com/football/a19527_manchester-united-make-initial-moves-four-wonderkid-transfers
109 million pounds in losses? what’s that all about?
Good afternoon MG! Good mate? Your involvement is written in the stars.
You are our Motivation General, and poet laureate.
Duties also include the literary debunkment of ABU press releases.
Unless you’d rather chill in the hammocks we’ll be installing?
Agree with Wakey. This is not good news about the 109M loss but it was expected AND it isn’t directly on us. The figures are from the holding company of the holding company.
Now, while it is crap to be beholdin’ to a holding co that is holding crap, we have well appreciated the extent of the crap that is holding our gem of a club as one of its premier holdings. Far brighter Reds will be going over the numbers in detail, and we will likely find out the extent of the mountain that we are partially responsible for upholding. In the end, it is a bit of the o’ betwixt or betwain. For me, it is betwixt at this point, hoping it doesnt move up to betwain! Thank good I am not a bitter, still proud to be Red
I just do not understand why david gill had to tell the world we had 165 million pounds in the account untouched when we actually have 109 million pounds in losses? i don’t know about anyone here but i am tired of losses. with the way things are going, i might not buy my customary two jerseys next year. Someone has to explain all this.
CedarsDevil – How do mate? Gonna be pretty boring, with United not in action for a while.
Hi Willie, will be boring indeed. Guess we could always rely on trolls coming on here for entertainment
Bastards at PLTV, been trying to call in for the past 2 days to discuss the blatant handball by Bendtner prior to the arsenal equalizer and so far I have been ignored… The mentioned handball has NOT been mentioned by any one there
Ok I am left with egg on my face! lol
A caller just made the argument about the arse goal, the constant replays showed that the ball actually came off the post and not Bendtner’s hand!
I stand corrected
Cedars – I would implore you not to bring big nose Townsend onto any show, for fear of what you might do to him mate lol.
You may be wrong in fact, red CedarsDevil, but in principal, Red’s will always be right!
Willie, would it not be fun to watch though? lol
smartalex, thanks mate, you sure know how to raise the spirits…
I raise my spirit (whisky, of course) and propose a toast!
To Glory, glory for Manchester United!
Mine is raised as well, glory glory MAN UNITED till I die…
Willie, imagine Townsend on a show sitting in the middle between King Eric and me! Ratings through the roof me thinks!
Townsend through the window, methinks!
Cedars – I don’t think Townsend would like to be the meat in that sandwich lol.
Arent the accounts issued for the period to June 2010? Nearly a year ago. We knew about the loss back then didnt we?
Where is Costas? Has he made his team selection for the West Ham game? Has he made his pre match conference?
WHERE IS HE
p.s. Its going to be a long 11 days, unless STR can keep new topics coming along
@dannysoya … they’re different things, the money in the bank and the losses. Profits and losses refer to how much you made or lost in a given period of time: how much you earned, minus how much you spent. That’s separate from things you own, like money in the bank, which are assets.
If you run a business selling stuff, and you sell 10k of stuff, but it your expenses cost you 11k, then you lost 1k that year. The fact that you also own a house or a car or have a few bucks in the bank, doesn’t change the fact that you lost 1k. Sure, you might have to dip into your cash to cover the 1k, which would then reduce your assets. Or, if you made a profit, some of that will probably end up in your bank account, which will increase your assets. But the assets themselves aren’t taken into account when you calculate annual (or quarterly) profit and loss. For example, tax is based on your profit. In the example where you lost 1k, the taxman doesn’t say, “you lost 1k, but hey, you still own a house that’s worth 100k, so I’m going to tax you on the difference of 99k”.
Cedars willie smartalex etc Hello lads. Townsend is a cunt. Just another ex rentboy like Cundy and Minto. Funny thing is he used to be ok. Never recall him being that bitter till the last season or so. God its boring. Thought it would be good to have a fortnight break and chill out. I am however exceedingly bored.
King Eric
How are you mate? Would you like to co host a show with me where Townsend is our guest? Wouldn’t that be fun?
I am actually putting together my team for the Ch.League final now.
Nice one Costas! lol
How is Demiiisss Roussoos by the way? I am actually a fan of his
He was hiding around the corner Cedars.
Cedars – Yeah sound mate, are you? Yeah sort that out mate and give me a shout. Cockney cunt.
@dannysoya
Accounting is complicated as it is with companies reporting losses while making massive cash gains but its even more complicated when you are dealing with holding companies and holding companies for holding companies. The aim is to make the most cash possible from the whole business while reporting the lowest ‘profits’ possible from each part of the business.
There are alot of non-cash accounting deductions (Deductions that cost no actual money, they just reduce the profit figure that’s reported thus reduce tax liability) that come into play to achieve this, for example one of the biggest on both the Red Football Ltd and Red Football JV books is a non-cash deduction called Goodwill. A company is only worth the value of its assets but buying a company sees you pay over the odds for the company, certainly more than the asset value can cover. As such to ‘balance the books’ to account for this overpaying you write off in the accounts ‘Goodwill’ over a period of time, this Goodwill is the difference between the purchase price and the Asset value at the time.
In United case the amount paid was 790mill but the assets at the time were worth 451mill making the Goodwill amount of 339mill. Goodwill is being written off over a 10 year period which sees £34mill a year being written off. In a normal year the reported losses for Red Football Ltd (The Holding Company of the club) come in at around the £35-45mill mark so as you can see Goodwill alone accounts for a massive chunk.
The 109mill we see announced here for the holding company of the holding company and is made up of the 79mill loss that the Red Football Ltd accounts published in October show + the Interest on the PIK’s (which are on the RF JV accounts but not the RF Ltd or the Clubs accounts). The reason last years accounts showed around double the usual loss is due to the exceptional costs that came with the Bond issue and the some Exchange rate losses.
Next year there should be no PIK interest as these were paid off and the Interest paid by Red Football Ltd to the Bond holders will be less as the Club bought a chunk of them back last Quarter using some of the Cash in the Bank (and there is a rumour that another chunk of this was used to buy more back – although even if that’s the case the club still has over 100mill in its account).
The only real problem with this figure is its the kind of figure which obviously looks bad until you really look at it (Its not like Chelsea’s loss for example which is an operating loss) and it will be used by the media to sell papers with the scare stories and will be jumped on my MUST as its easy to spin and then sell to the fans.
@CedarsDevil
Even if it was the post van Persie kicks the player not the ball and its this contact that causes the West Brom player to knock the ball into the net
Why is the Premier League the best in the world? Here is a quick comparison…
French League, poor standard of football yet exciting as there are always 5 or 6 teams in the mix.
Italian League, dull boring and corrupt.
German League, always seems that a team wins it by Feb. 8 out of 10 times its Bayern
Spanish League, well its the Scottish Premier league with a different language.
So why is the EPL the best in the world? Simple really, its where Manchester United play
Mature stuff from Holden, wasnt malicious from Evans at all.
On to brighter stuff: here’s an interesting piece on Rafael and Fabio-Da Silva twins!
viva Da Silva!
http://www.thehardtackle.com/index.php/man-uniteds-corner-da-silva-lining/
Good day, recently returned reds!
StatesideAussie has a clear head and a sound mind. I always enjoy your comments.
More importantly, I enjoy their easy understanding and focus.
Knowing all the ins and outs of finance does not help enough when faced with the shysters and their spin doctors.
@Cedars
Hey mate. Last time I heard Roussos was doing well.
Costas
I am sure you noticed the intentional misspelling of the name
@wakey and stateside aussie. Thanks for the explanation cuz i wasn’t too happy seeing that when i woke up this morning.
RoM All-time Favourites.
Perhaps Scott the Red could set up a ‘new entry’ (1 of 3 entries) where each RoM member (all of us) can nominate United players. This could run for a day or two, then ‘entry 2′ is added, which lists the nominated players. That’s where we argue the merits of players and combinations for a couple of days.
Then … (drum roll) … ‘entry 3′ is added, here each member posts their All-Time line-up.
The submissions will show how a fan’s age (for example) affects his choice.
smartalex
Great idea, but why would you want to know how ‘old’ I am ! lol
@Cedars
How could I not, lol.
I know how young you are CedarsDevil! Love for United is ageless anyway.
The best-ever teams that we read of vary so much, that it will be interesting to consider patterns. Well, for those interested in the numbers anyway.
Of course, it would be the RoM communities Best-ever, not some other crap on the net.
Helps the time pass, and we will all get insight on legends from other perspectives.
Lot’s of amazing videos and articles will be linked, on topics many have forgotten or missed.
smartalex
Me in a hammock?
I’ll stick to my day job mate
smartalex
Thanks for the compliment buddy….. To go along with your idea here is my best United 11 or 12 or 50!
Charlton, Best (The ultimate legend IMO) Law, Cantona, Giggs, Scholes, Nevile, Robson (My favorite Captain) Keane, Muhren, Olsen, OGS, Da Silvas, VDS, Schmeichel, Moses, Robson, Robson, Robson,
and of course the mother of all greats the late Duncan Edwards
Many more I am sure to have forgotten and that why we are so great as a football club
@Wakey and Stateside.
Spot on mates. A splash like this is about selling papers. Yet it is important for fans to know the bottom line. The club has the cash to go shopping if it needs and the talent in squad to develop if it wants to go that route. I am really excited about the prospects of Pogba, Morrison and King.
On other topic The Lancs Telegraph is starting a series on Mikey Phelan that some of you lot might take in. Hope he reflects on his playing days and winning the prem in 92-93. Interesting to hold in mind that he won alot with us in his playing days.
http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/8881311.The_Mike_Phelan_story__Part_one/?ref=rss
Cedars I herd Sir Bobby call Duncan Edwards the best he had ever seen. Cool thanks for your greats.
Zibbie
Not just Sir Bobby, everyone who watched him including my late dad said that Duncan was and will always be the best human being to ever touch a football…. He was in fact super human
@ IndianRed
The ‘Da Silvas’ are here, and there time is now. Call them petulant; over enthusiastic or naïve, their effervescence is exactly the tonic this club needs.
Great story thanks.
Holden turned down the MLS and took Dempsey’s rout the the EPL nice player very effective in the Man Utd game.
I saw, forgive me if I miss the title The Green Street Hooligans the Footy movie of a yank and West Ham fans. I liked it. Next year when I make my first game at Old Trafford I might need a body guard being a Yank?!?!
Only four Robsons?
smartalex
Stop being naughty, 12 Robsons are never enough!
Wow you guys are great for me to read, real and true Man Utd fans for generations… as always Cedars and the regulars thanks
Zibbie Star Dust?
LOL!!!
Sky Sports News just said that Daniel Alves has signed a new contract with Barcelona until 2015. Now I wouldn’t give a shit about this, but they said that there was an initial breakdown in talks which prompted serious interest from City. Based on that, I wonder how many bitter cunts went out and got a tattoo of him done, just like they did with Kaka.
David Bowie nice. Zib Zag, Zib-Rob-way. Zibbie star dust nice touch.
Invest in tattoo removal technology.
Are we in debt?
@Cedarsdevil. Cheers mate. Interesting that you have Arnie Muhren on that list. He is probably better known for what he did after he left us. Interesting to know what you think puts him on such an esteemed list. For me the list seems a bit unbalanced so figure it is down to some personal memories. Do tell!
Not according to Wakey, Matt.
If and God forbid Bryan Robson needs bed side help then I would give up my life and help him recover…. The guy gives meaning to my life
Fletch nice insight on the number 2 man at Man Utd.
FletchTHEMAN
Pleasure mate
mattbw7 the finance thing makes me sick, one because of my lack of understanding how it will effect the fair play rules. Some people here understand it and have written on the subject and I have read all that. I just wish the 30 or 40 lads that showed up at Rooneys house late night when some thought he might go to Chity, pay a visit to the Glazzers and have them sell to the sheiks or the best solution for Man Utd to be all it can be.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/england/8398311/What-England-captain-John-Terry-said-and-what-he-probably-meant.html
Read this piss take on the cunt Terry lol.
… and the ball has been safely gathered by Robson, Playing it quickly, Robson throws it out to Robson, up the line to Robson, oo I say, nice one-two with the 2 Robsons, Robson’s got it now skips pst one, two, flicks it inside to Robson, who switches play nicely to Robson on the opposite flank! Robson plays it in early, United, have four, no five Robsons in the box! And Robson scores!
smartalex
Love you to bits you know that, your posts cracke me up, just hope you are not making fun of Robbo?
Willie –
That was quality mate. I HATE that CUNT! People bang on about him being a ‘warrior’ and carrying injuries well….this is the dick that dislocated his shoulder and had to be carried off on a strecther…his legs were in perfect working order but for some reason, Captain Fantastic, The Leader Of Men, MR ENGLAND was unable to walk due to his shoudet injury.
Him and Bellemy on the same pitch….I HOPE THEY HAVE A CLASH OF HEADS
@Willierednut Ha ha ahaha haha ha Great link mate.
JT “Rio called me which was a very nice touch and goes to show what a great man Rio is, we had a 10-minute conversation and he wished me well. He cares about England and said the most important thing was to keep winning”
What he meant to say:
“Rio called me and we had a 10-minute conversation in which he called me every name in the book and then a few I hadn’t heard of. He cares about England and said the most important thing was to keep winning. His view is that if we don’t win the lot it will be the end since all the reports will be about my pathetic sorted life and nothing will be said about the football.”
@willierednut
Are you Duncan Drasdo in disguise? With that kind of ability to twist what people have said you certainly would give him a run for his money
I voted for Bryan Robson in the Manutd . com all time legend poll.
I guess that everyone between the age of 40 and 50 would have done the same.
Let me indulge
JT said that he’s not everyone’s cup of tea
Well logically he’s not everyone’s cup of coffee either
Following it on he is neither their coke or diet coke
And neither is he the finest champagne or wine
I could carry on by the way
JT – the every man ‘s no man
And yep you can print that
smartalex
Cheers buddy… respect you to bits
Wakey – You took the bait.
That respect and love is 100% mutual, CedarsDevil.
Fergies been giving his thoughts on the international break and how it couldn’t happen at a better time for us as it will allow a large number of the squad to get fit.
“I’d have loved to have given Ji-Sung Park a bit of a game [against Bolton on Saturday], but when we went to 10 men we were hamstrung a bit there. But I get Ji back in two weeks’ time, away at West Ham.
“Vidic will be back, Darren Fletcher hopefully will be back, and hopefully if, bit by bit, we can get them all together, we’ll have a great chance.”
With Micky Owen and Valencia back as well! Now just need to have a miracle and keep everyone else fit. Anyone hear about Brown and Rafael? When are they due back?
the glazer saga has been battered to death like a dead horse. 2 break it down, the glazers should sell has they are in clowd cookoo land of they can get any more blood out of the club, and if there is no huge spending this summer I do think the club is being squeezed by an ownership not fit to run our club.
lol Willie.
The term Football Manager only applies if he is Scottish.
No ifs or buts. An Italian Football Manager is a contradiction in terms.
Terry is the scum on the drinks surface, glass half full or half empty.
Whenever anyone has a taste of English football, all they will see is the scum on the surface.
What the fuck??
Fuck the what?
If you are NOT related to United then please fuck off………. If you have a problem with this then please email me
Listening to the cunt on talksport, waffling on about himself(shock) made me ill. Rio will play on of course, when he should have washed his hands of England.
Hahahah smartalex, nothing to do with you buddy… was just an ending thought mate
Interesting article about the american gov’s use of ‘sock puppets’ in social media in the papers the other day. ‘The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.
Reminded me of Wakey.
Alarm clocks remind me of wakey wakey time.
Rio won’t quit because his priorities are different to that of Giggs, Scholes, Red Nev. They always put United first
smartalex
No misunderstandings I hope mate?
Reds till we die
@ willierednut – Brilliant read that was, made me day mate cheers.
However it is now time for me to have yet another rant against the monstrosity that is Terry. I honestly hate the man more than anyone. More than kettleneck, more than stevie me, more than anyone in modern life. In the history of the world actually. I hate him so much. And people might say “hate’s a strong word” yeah your’e right, it is a very strong word and even then it doesn’t describe my feelings towards the monstrous horrific chav entity known as tiny tears. I can’t stand the man. Read his words in the paper or listen to his chavvy little voicebox spewing at a press conference and literally all you hear is “It’s so hard being me, the piss was taken with a little plastic armband being passed around all those times in that friendly against Egypt, it made me relive that night when I sobbed my heart out in Russia. But as you can see, I’m a winner, I came through adversity of the absolute toughest degree. I am a Captain. A Leader. A Legend.” Ok John, few things. One, you’ve gone through fuck all in terms of adversity, you go on like you’d be the last bastion of great old fashioned English footballers, saying you’d go to war and that. Heres an idea, why don’t you lead a ground assault in Libya, I’m sure it’ll end in success….no sorry, tears and hopefully your death/realisation you are a monstrous cock. Honestly, he paints himself a Freudian tragedy who rose from the ashes to be born again or something, when in reality, he’s just a bloody knobhead. The extent of my hatred probably stems from living about five minutes away from Stamford Bridge. I’m essentially a Manc ex pat if you will. They adore him down at that shithole, and for the life of me I can’t see why. He defines inadequacy, scumbag, loser, whinger, pussy and most of all, CUNT!
Personally I like to hear Wakey’s views on the owenership issues as he seems one of only a few that actually explain things. As I asked earlier aren’t the accounts that show a loss both not United’s accounts per se and also a year old? We knew all this before.
No misunderstandings at all, at all CedarsDevil! We Are Red. We are strong red friends!
You are a good friend, and deserve sincere friendship.
Hear Ye! Hear Ye!
CedarsDevil is sacred. He is the Red in sacred.
Blessed are we for the football gods chose United.
Reds till we die, good friend CedarsDevil, reds forever!
Half the clowns on here must have blinding headaches with all the head patting that goes on.You all should step back read the posts and who knows you might see the inane, nonsensical rubbish spouted defies belief, like a primary school.
Get up, stand up.
Hello Reds!
Burning topic. Who do you think should succeed Edwin between the posts?
PIG seems to be on his way out, and i don’t think Lindegaard’s really convinced us all.
Plus United scouts reportedly attended the latest games featuring our transfer targets.
Edwin staying for another year would be a miracle as he seems to be a man of his word.
Hence I’d go for Neuer.
Now i will have a good nights sleep and prepare for battle tomorrow
The party poop-er is here.
Cryptic parry.
Cue the barking dogs.
Apartheid tries to splits the group.
Arf arf
Once you pass 40 anything related to primary school becomes a bliss and feeling like a child there after becomes like a treasure. Piss off you sick cunt and leave us be, you only come here to spoil modes you fuck
Costas’ bark is verse in his bytes.
Just when I thought I was on my way to a peaceful nights sleep I bump into a troll
@Cedars
Go and sleep mate. A Shity fan is worth more spit than this.
woke up this morning, feeling fine.
Here we go again
Rise of the dark side
Episode 4
Yes I am keeping count
@MG
Hi mate. Actually it reminds me of Don Quixote. Guess who that is.
Back in your Kennels there’s good dogs and ain’t it funny its always the same culprits and head egg try Barf Barf.
The rise of the big dog.
What a lousy piece of shit we have on our hands. Awake I am and ready for battle, what a fuck we have here… this is fun
And the fall of the little weasel.
Big TEE gets all emotional at the Cedars/Smartalex lovefest….. :p
Or is it jealousy…. gulp…….
The cull of the cat.
TonyBee
Pure Love mate, jealous? I have plenty to go around!
feel better already , you
@Cedars
Lol, put your guns away. You didn’t say the magic words: Hargreaves is not a cripple.
I hope he’s wearing a dead-man’s-handle, that log’s him off should he croak.
He is so morbid I expect him to either attempt or claim self-euthanasia.
Wouldn’t like the ghost of parrypast vomiting in the hall for years to come.
(euthanasia – the painless killing of a patient suffering from an incurable and painful disease or in an irreversible coma, or psychotic delusion. The practice was illegal in most countries. Now, there’s good reason for reversal)
Now where is that blue fuck?
While your guns is raising, mine is blazing.
Kisses with tongue to TonyBee! lol
Parry where are you, please show your head you fuck wit piece of shit
… shhhh …. ( TonyBee is Cedars betrothed, I am just the goomah ) …
@smartalex
Lol.
@Cedars
He is a red one sadly.
The Green eyed monster, surrounds him.
100 % with fat Greek demmmiisss Rouuusooos Costas here……. Parry can fuck off or else deal with the hell that is United
Lets categorise some shall we?Well mainly mongrels,and we have the faithfull red headed Spaniel that sits at the masters feet gazing up lovingly,tail wagging furiouly but a thouroughbred, sire named keen.bitch called 2please so I guess we will name you Eager,and not forgetting the lapdog, favourite pleasures getting head patted and being called genius,Then there’s the foreign breed usually called Jackals are always ready for battle apparently ,name for this type Prick.Oh and the lapdogs name Koti look that one up.Now any nonsense and I’ll bring up the dreaded H word.Hah.
Suicide is where you do yourself.
Parryheid is where everybody wishes you would.
smartalex
He loves tongues mate, leave me be with TonyBee, we have a ‘thing’ lol
Guys stop feeding the troll.
And answer my query.
There’s plenty of you to go around CedarsDevil! We are all one, United!
@ Willie, thanks for the link to the true meaning of the cunt’s press conference! F’in in stitches cheers.
Re: Craig Bellamy – “He’s a lot like me.”
Oh how I could go on for days citing distinct similarities.
Wonder if any of the vets on the squad made sure to inform Jarvis to keep his missus away from Tiny Tears and their press conference? Sure that fucking twat would have no problem ruining the life and career of another up and comer.
Legendary Twat of the Highest Ranking
King Eric, hope these snippets answer your question, though after 30 minutes’ research, I’m now more confused.
Total debt now £590.4m, up from 2009 figure of £566.1m according to the Guardian.
United’s club accounts were published in October and revealed losses of £83.6million – the PIK interest payment is not included in the club accounts – but Gill said then there was £165million in the club’s bank account and that they were in a healthy position.
The lack of income from selling players also contributed to the loss for the year ending June 30 2010 – the previous year the company had recorded £21million profit thanks largely to the £80million sale of Ronaldo.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1368777/Manchester-United-Glazer-owners-make-109m-loss.html#ixzz1HMOasxSY
Understand this Eager,Koti,Jackal et all I am not like the bulk of folk on this site Nobody runs me.Nobody Manipulates me I don’t seek you lot’s approval to post what the fuck I like.Giruy my friends.
OH I SEE EVERYONE IS DISSING THE TWAT CALLED PARRYDICKHEID…..
will have to go back through the blog to see what hew has done to upset so many….or shall i just forget going back and simply call him a cunt……
Apartheid making Stazi proud right there.
@shubhangmanred
We will need a goalie especially if Kuszczak leaves. However, I am not ruling out PIG staying and Fegie letting him and Anders battle for the position. I can’t see us spending a lot on a goalie, unless Kus leaves.
In cold times cats that we had used hide near the engine of of car for warmth. Sadly in the morning when the car started one of the kittens would lose its life by the fan of the starting car, I would then perform a merciful killing on the said kitten to spare it the pain, the same which I would happily do to this troll Parry
parryheid
I told you before man to leave it – but it’s pretty obvious you won’t
It’s a shame you fall to such a level – just have a look around and at once you should get that you are not going to win anything out of nothing.
Pack of dogs was your war cry – well we are not dogs just normal human beings with Manchester United in common
Where that destroys your beliefs and rubs your ego in considerably the most dumbest thing I’ve seen.
Friendships have been forged because of one thing in common – if you don’t want to be a part of that that’s fine but for crying out loud don’t make a complete and utter fool out of yourself like you are doing now.
Leave it out – and again dogs wouldn’t give you such wisdom – go figure.
No one will bully him. He is parry the hate and he will bring and end to the dogs’ reign of terror. And if he doesn’t, he will just continue bitching because no one plays with him.
@TonyBee
The latter.
We all agree, JT is a mega CUNT!
He refers to dogs….. is he a vet…….
He is just jealous because no one will pat his head. His lower head especially…
Willie
We agree indeed as we also agree that any trolls here will be squashed like the bugs they are
His post at 19:24 was a wind-up, but it stems from him hating Hargreaves, who he branded a cripple and a con, amongst other deplorable comments on Sir Alex et al.
well we all agree on JT being the biggest cunt in football…apart from when Jordan/Katie Price goes to a footie game
Has he pissed off already? I really need to go to bed
Don’t be too woof on him
TonyBee
Can you feel the love?
@costas Well after the failure to find an immediate replacement of The Great Dane, i believe that SAF won’t risk much this time. It will be a very big gamble to entrust two inexperienced keepers to fill Edwin’s void.
Btw, the no. Of keepers linked with United, shows how coveted the spot is.
Why do alleged Eton boys therefore come to Primary School boys ?
parryheid – why don’t you find your purse and get out a tampon.
smartalex
I love you…. anyone jealous? lol
Green is trumped by red everytime.
Sniff sniff…. we have fucked him off……… brilliant work reds
bitch…..Cedars…:lol:
Now I am wide awake again, fuck we need us another troll
A rosy thorn, goes a long way.
He’ll be back. He won’t be bullied out of here. He is parry the hate and he won’t be silenced. But no one will give a fuck about him either.
@shubhangmanred
I hope Fergie won’t take the same risk he did then. But replacing Edwin won’t be easy. Imo, the quality of goalkeepers that were around when Schmeichel left is better than what exists now. I’ve heard the rumors about De Gea, but like you, I think we should go woth experience this time. But who fits the bill though? I’ve suggested Stekelenburg, but I don’t know if even he can make it at United.
M g
I took on board your post to me and replied to you that I was unsure regarding yourself as i thought you a man with your own opinion’s and asked you to go one post above your own. But before I posted I went into the other thread that was running simultaneously seen the yapping dogs and your name was there,did not read the post you had made but deleted my reply to you in case I had made an error.They are not friends of Manchester United supporters they are Controllers of people and pity help any who buck their views you may not like it but if your a fair man read the last batch of posts you will see what is happening,I don’t require an answer to this post thanks.just watch their splenetic mouthings.
Still cannot work out your smilies love?
Oh fuck, he is back…. here we go again
He will be back. He hangs around, wanting to get involved, but he is impatient.
When his comment is not responded to, he becomes despondent, then angry.
He read’s other comments, new ones, posted after his, and they get a response,
so he feels ignored and unfairly treated.
He sees a gang of nasty thugs stopping him from entering an idyllic forum,
not realising that the gang is the open forum.
Speak, parryheid, you will be heard. Hate, and you will just be parryheid.
I have never had a problem with parryheid but what on earth is he talking about? For simpletons like me please stop the cryptic shit. One assumes he is calling us all arse lickers? Why? What’s up parry lad?
Xol. Cheers mate. Still no wiser though.
Bobbycharlie. Good post mate. Just been listening to the lightvoiced helmet headed cunt chav tiny tears. Hilarious when he said ” I never gave up hope but that’s me all over. You only had to listen to the chewsea fans on sunday”. Fuck off john. The rentboy fans are bound to support you. Seeing as the same cunts have that laughable banner up proclaiming “captain leader legend“. Cunt then ashton and john cross and posh cunt saggers saying how he is the only leader and a real leader of men. Get bent. Leaders do not brea’down and cry after missing a pen which he shouldn’t have been taking anyway. Leaders rally the troops. Leaders do not sell their exec boxes. Leaders do not exchange fat brown ebvelopes for trips round cobham. Leaders most certainly do not bang team mates wifes. His reappointment makes a mockery of the system and more so rio. He is a fucking scum bag and thanl fuck I have no feelings at all for ingerlund. Infact I laugh when people say they are “big england fans“or “I love england“. How can anyone even care about the national team when it has been an abhoration for a decade? I sincerely hope they get turned over by the welsh and I aint too keen on those.
Yes I’m back prick I never went away nor do I intend to and you controlling twats are not capable of making me.Still ready for the battle prick.
“Poor me”. Someone get me the violin…
Yeah MG. Go back and see who came here and started insulting people tonight.
No King Eric, he is calling all dogs
I think goatinaunitedshirt is the most qualified to select United’s new goatkeeper.
Prick, now how is that an insult? Manhood at its best
@KIng Eric
Nothing to do with you mate. I am sure of that.
King Eric I am not calling You an arse licker you are one guy I know is not led by the twats and very much has an opinion of your own will voice it and will look at a post and at least explain why you hold different opinions.
Jeepers Cedars, where’d ya get those sneakers.
Jeez
parryheld
What The Fuck are you on about?
Jeepers Cedars, where’d ya get those trees.
The gang of RoM lol glad to be part of it
Those trees are my life, they grow in my soul!
More “acolytes” joining the cause, lol. But don’t be fooled. He is the one who’s right.
@Cedars
Who knew we were so powerful and manipulative.
Jamie Redknapp is quoted as saying that Modric is a blend of Scholes and Fabregas. I thought his dad was a comedian, but this cunt is ready to take the baton.
Ryandunny.
Yeah lets kid on we don’t know you were knee deep in it along with the twats who follow your post.Nice try.
Throughout antiquity the cedars of Lebanon were prized above all other trees. Their fine wood was strong, straight and wonderfully scented. It was always the first choice for any temple or palace, and top value in trade was paid for it. These trees helped give the Phoenicians a high place among other nations, and became the symbol by which they and their descendants were known.
http://www.phoenician.org/cedars_of_lebanon.htm
I’ve read up a bit on Cedars, having met a Cedar, I obviously wood.
Stronger than a thousand trees.
We control the world…
Kings, Redknapp junior is a cunt of the highest order
The Red Gang stomps on GangGreen.
Don Quixote is on fire today. He is imagining enemies left and right.
@Kings
One of Scholesy’s legs weighs more than Modric, lol.
smartalex
We ARE Phoenicians, we ARE history and we ARE United and occasionally we fuck trolls as well! lol
Great link buddy, we do take pride in our history and I am glad you are part of it now
CedarsDevil, I still think trollops are preferred, ethereal or otherwise.
I hate international breaks. This place turns into a soap opera as theres nothing to report. All we get is more debt stories and feuds.
NRD
No feuds just trollop fun mate
Comfortably numb, what a great feeling
Oh darn, what have I missed? I thought there’d be nothing much happening on RoM, with the international break and everything. How wrong was I?
rom=as the world turns
Just taking out the trash Notorious.
This break is actually a blessing in disguise and a chance for all of us to catch a breather before the most crucial part of the season. I don’t mind it a lot.
Time for an intermission.
@Cedars
Never mind the trees, Lebanon gave the world Elissa Khoury. Respect.
Can anyone help me? I have a couple of belting new song suggestions. Having seen that the dippers have already introduced (albeit a bit shite) songs for Suarez and Carroll I think its a bit embarrasing how sparsely we sing new songs yet insist on littering games with chants about the Bitters who apparently, we couldn’e care less about. Where can I suggest a new song if not on here?
Look over your shoulder, Bryan Robson is after you…. I am really praying for you captain marvel
as i said on a different thread the break is good for utd because alot of our players are either retired or injured
Cheers dela
Thats a bare minimum my friend, what about Haifa, Myriam, Najwa, Nancy, Madeline, etc ? lol
With half our defence crocked, we really could do with the break. Any idea when Ando is expected to be back?
Oh and I hope you are ok with all the problems in Bahrain dela….. Take care
parryheid
Everyone here is entitled to an opinion – their is no question about that
If you are asking me then I assure you Costas CedarsDevil smartalex amongst many others – they are not controlling people.
I afford them the exact same respect as they afford me sometimes it’s quite humbling when I get afforded more respect – it only comes out of talking to one another no mater who we are.
You say go back and see who’s talking – I have gone back – I tell you what try coming back here more joyful – I too am a person who can think by himself – I think we all can – but I’ll tell you one thing that I’ve learned on here
Alone I will never be enough – together with my fellow Reds I am more than meets the eye.
I don’t do emotion but the truth can withstand every lie. I am not calling you a liar it’s a figure of speech and it stands for reason. Everyone is better on one side – we all have our differences and I have mine.
But differences don’t outweigh friendships and loyalties. I think you know what I’m saying and I’ll say it again – walk away and come back for what it’s worth and no one will say anything against you – try it this isn’t a dictatorship – no one is out to get anyone – no one owns anyone – certain gifts in life are too precious to let go of there is enough shit in this world – enough hatred – enough bullshit to go around.
Sometimes it’s nice to belong somewhere – what better place than sharing the one thing we all love – Manchester United.
Opium tree?
Like I’ve said before if we’re being unselfish only positive for us is that we will get players back. Other than that not much else. Slightly off topic think its pretty disgusting nobody spoke out about the way Rio was treated but thats probably because the entire Ingurland squad is full players surrounded by infidelity. Seems to be the key ingredient to be part of that organisation.
MG, heart warming post as usual.
Willie, coke tree buddy! lol
Parryheld
No seriously what the fuck are you on about?
Or can anyone tell me what’s he been saying?
@Cedars
Nice list. I am looking them all up right now. The international break isn’t a waste of time after all
Bahrain is at a standstill, but I think the media is making the thing seem a lot worse than it actually is.
NRD – No balls, any of them. Terry is content to be a cunt.
@dela
Who knows for sure? I remember reading a quote from Fergie that he was expecting Fletch and Ando to be back for West Ham and the rest would follow. I’d like to believe than Anderson will also be back for West Ham. He was supposed to be out for 3 weeks.
@MG
Great post, as always. I do remember having quite a few lively discussions with Parry in the past. I’m not too sure what’s up with him tonight. One drink too many?
Scott, throw us a bone here and write a new blog! We’re starving!
Sorry to keep repeating my self guys but the news of Robbo’s illness has devastated me. I urge all true reds who have not seen the great man in action to find videos of him. The man was and is a true United legend
Exactly willierednut, and that is why its so easy to despise the ingurland national team despite being born and bred in the country. The new generation act like prima donna Hollywood starts rather than Englishmen and its rubbing off in society. The amount of people condoning Terry being reinstated who then say footballers should be role models is baffling.
Any have any ideas on a new video to make?
Make sure it’s plausible… for example a video of Nani is much easier to make then a video of Wes brown!
What material can you use Ryandunny? What are we limited to?
@Ryandunny he’s saying we’re all a bunch of morons with no thought process of our own and a select few control the discourse of the blog,if you go against that then you’re attacked and driven out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPkPch_PVvo&feature=related
A goal against the dippers by the genius himself
NotoriousRedDevil – well the reality is thats how football has been turning out for years. Even at united we have some players who have been like that, ronaldo rooney nani etc.
Costa – it would be awesome to get the lung capacity back into the team like anderson and valencia because we have lacked the speed at times to get at teams esl away from home. Also I do think with no valencia and out of form rooney to hit teams on the break
Ryandunny
A tribute to Bryan Robson would be fantastic mate
Kings – the thick cunts trousers are too tight him and his beetroot faced Dad share half a brain between them. There’s no one like Scholes. Period.
Ryan – 20 years of Giggs tearing them apart?
Insane goal that, in the Semi’s of the FA Cup, as was Giggs against arsenal.
Ryandunny
make a video of Parryheids dogs…….
or of his self proclaimed views of superiority over everyone on here that enjoys banter
Nrd. Good post and spot on at 21•07. It does turn into a soap opera on here and feuding during internationals. Ha. Its quite funny really. Most out of character tonight of parryheid. I get on with him but he is odd tonight. Yeah the whole terry saga is one big fat unfunny joke. I have absolutely no feelings whatsoever for ingerlund. Haven’t since france ninety eight really and the subsequent vilification of becks. That was the last team I really looked up to in anyway. Probably even earlier than that. Italia ninety and robbo pearce adams gazza etc. The current lot are a bunch of horrible bastards who think they are top doga having been called the golden generation by the media. Golden generation? They have won fuck all for forty five years yet think they are a good team. They are shite and always will be. I can understand why fans of small teams follow them as they get to see better football. For united fans though its sub standard. We are used to watching much better football week in week out. United would hammer ingerlund. Slow pedestrian and no plan b. Well no plan a. Just ponderous turgid shit. I would much rather be watchinh united. Then you have that cringeworth fucking brass band playing war tunes escape to victory and shit. The fucking arrogance. Don’t get me wrong I was born and live in england but my old dear was born in scotland. I just feel indifference to the national side. The old boys club. The hyping of english players then destroying them, the suits at the fa, the small time little ingerlunders chanting anti united songs , the repepetive hyping up of th team by the media every single fucking tournament when we know damn well they will do fuck all, the loathsome players like terry, lampard, stevie me and ashley cole. No not for me thanks. Finally despite barry’s horrorshow in south africa and his raping by the germans , that cunt capello still insists in playing him when carrick is twice the player and has the trophy cabinet to prove it. Better positionally, better reader of the game, better passer and both footed. Anyway glad he isn’t going to be honest so he will be fresh for uniteds run in.
United > ingerlund.
@ fitb – I know its been like that for years but the national team gets spoken about with adjectives like honour, pride, passion etc. Yet thats all they are, adjectives and everyday people contradict themselves when it comes to ingurland. As for Ronaldo when you’re that good you can do what you like. He truly was and still is world class. Some on here have a tendency to forget how good he was myself included. Other players get close to that level and slack off, and although he’s getting back to his best Rooney comes into the latter category.
TonyBee – Good shout lol.
It was smartalex, still gives me goosebumps to this day, came after a replay which ended 2 – 2 , we won the second game 2 -1 all too sweet as it was against the dippers…..
@ King Eric. Humbly agree about Carrick. After the liverpool game I heavily criticised Carrick, and have done before that although not as intensely. I also said I would watch him closely if selected vs, l’arse in the cup, Marseille and Bolton as I was at those games and watching it live is different to TV. Having watched him, for the role he’s put in he is an unsung hero. If he was Michel Carique he would be raved about. He may not try the Hollywood ball as often but when he does before the pass has reached its destination you hear 20-30,000 groans which can’t help. Someone posted a link to an article a while back on how consistent his passing was and it is. He was brilliant against Marseille and as the game went on vs Bolton he was immense especially as the game went on. I told the guys I went with and a couple of other in the Blaize about how accurate his passing was at half time vs Marseille and was ridiculed we went down to the concourse at half time and the stats proved me right.
@FITB
Yeah we’ve missed that. And the same goes for Park and the hard work he puts in. The funny thing about Valencia against Bolton was that imo his best spell came as a CM and at a time when he should have tired.
I forgot to say that Fergie also expected Park to be back for West Ham. But that’s not newsworthy since he was already on the bench against Bolton.
@King Eric
Thanks, atleast someone appreciated my attempt to get away from the hysteria that some groups are using to whip the fanbase into a frenzy for their own gains.
Sadly it seems there are some people like xol who would rather take the easy way out and just take the scare stories by the media and MUST as gospel and then turning on those who don’t whole heartedly buy these groups groups claims by verbally attacking them. Some of the abuse the likes of myself get and the underhand attempts to discredit us (such as calling us Glazer apologists or accusing us of being employed by the Glazers or in xols case here accusing me of being a computer program)
Anyway to answer your question, yes the two losses are for the Holding companies. The club itself makes an operating profit but with the losses coming when you get all the accounting practices and other expenses kicking in at the two levels of holding company.
And yes these figures are for the last accounting period so are for April 2009 to April 2010
King Eric – Spot on mate. How any United fan can cheer on JT and co is beyond me. Sun standard football like you said
I demand a new post!
God, I hate international breaks….how depressing!
hope the welsh stuff them but cannae see it
Notorious. Hello mate. Good post. Michael carique. Ha. Nice one. Yeah I think you notice him more when you watch him live as you can watch his movement off the ball. Its bloody good too. He never stands still he always makes a yard receives the ball and if no forward pass on he simply gives it to scholes to ping. His positioning is top drawer and makes countless blocks and interceptions. He looks to glide across the pitch as well. I admit his form did suffer but I now think he was also being tried out into different roles especially since the non appearance of hargreaves. He has developed into a bloody effective defensive midfielder.
##sub standard##
@NotoriousRedDevil
Thats the thing with the role Carricks been asked to play (and he clearly has been asked to play it, the evidence shows a change in style from him and he keeps getting picked so it has to be a tactic). Its just not a flashy role and its easy to look at it with a limited scope and say “He only passes sideways” but if you watch him more carefully he is immense, he reads the game perfectly to cut out balls and get into position to tackle and when he gets the ball he keeps it moving preventing the other team from settling into position and he gets the ball to players who can do more with it from an attacking sense than he may be. A few more forward passes would in theory be great BUT I do wonder if in the Premier league thats viable with the overall level being so much higher than say Spain and everything played with more pace, how many forward balls would Xavi play without finding himself being caught out for example? I’m not sure it would be anywhere near what he does in Spain or Internationally.
Ryandunny, a possibility for a video series, is by position.
Could be fullbacks, show similar or different types we have had. Then do keepers.
Or, you could do a series by opposition.
I think a video showing a lot of Gary Neville raging, cutting to Stevie me crying is a winner.
Oh and if Xavi happens to read my last post, he is free to buy out his Barca contract and join United on a free to try and prove me wrong
We’ll take him on trial, wakey.
Sorry internet died… so requests are for:
Bryan Robson
Ryan Giggs
Different Types of Fullbacks or Keeper.
Gary Neville…
Bryan Robson would be difficult, but I’ll look into finding clips.
Gary Neville or Ryan Giggs will probably be the most likely option for my next one!
Thanks lads I’ll keep ye informed.
And thanks willie for explaining!
Ryan – It wasn’t me mate, Wayne it was pal.
@King Eric “Slow pedestrian and no plan b. Well no plan a. Just ponderous turgid sh*t”. Spot on mate.
Glad I came back to read the last few posts. I had decided I had much better to do with my time with the vile crap that was being bandied about. Don’t you lot know we are all fans of the same team for chr*st sake! Go back to the bath and clean up. Deary me.
Cheers to you reds who can maintain a happier disposition. The dark side seems to be beckonning!
Willierednut
Woops haha… thanks Wayne!
@Redrunny, Top idea lad. I find lots of Bryon Robson videos when I google him. Especially love the
3-0 v Barcelona where he got a brace. Lots of other moments as well. I also think we should be thinking toward Rio and Vida moments as they will be treasures in the next few years. VDS will be gone next year which has got to bring a tear to any red. Love football for the wonder of rebirth and the beauty of seeing the next generation. But we must all do well to remember our heros. The king is dead, long live the king. Glory glory Manchester United!
Cheers.
@Ryandunny Sorry mate, completely hashed your moniker their. Just typing and not looking..
Sheesh.
Fletch
No worries I do it plenty of times!
A Van Der Sar video will be made at the end of the season…he deserves one.
I’ll try my best with the Bryan Robson video!
If not then I’ll try Gary Neville!
FA are backing Capello handing the captaincy back to JT
Expect nothing less
Gentlemen – Ladies
It was said that Bryan Robson was maybe a Manchester United player at the right place in the wrong time – maybe – maybe not.
Yet despite this, he did things because at the end he wore the shirt and that’s what matters most. It doesn’t matter what generation of United you were blessed with – it doesn’t matter which United you encountered, the feeling will always transcend each and every time that passes.
This shirt is a symbol of defiance and defiance is etched into the fabric of Manchester United.
Keep your head high – and more importantly be proud of that crest on your shirt upon your chest – the greater privilege is ours.
Manchester United will never die. Wherever you are Captain we are right behind you.
Dimitar Berbatov
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ3b5I9CXY0
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8399235/Romas-Daniele-De-Rossi-keen-to-put-troubles-in-Italy-behind-him-and-make-18m-move-to-Manchester-United.html
A story to interest denton davey.
de Rossi – the Red.
Sounds good, great player, and Portia will become a red, a red Porshe at old Trafford.
Street lights, people!
Re the goalie thing (forget who was asking/talking about it and can’t be arsed scrolling back through 300+ posts to find out!) … I read somewhere today or yesterday that Eric Steele was over in Germany on Sunday to watch Leverkusen play Schalke, giving him the chance to see both Manuel Neuer and Rene Adler. Not sure if that was covered here already. Apparently, Neuer isn’t happy with the way things have gone (or, more precisely, not gone) at Schalke this year.
SmartAlex … thanks for the Berba link, though to be honest, I don’t like those vids where the person who puts it together just has to prove to us how many special effects he knows (hope you didn’t make it, mate!). I don’t mind sexy transitions from one clip to another, but all this crap about jerking around with freeze frames and fucking around with the motion fucks me off, to be honest. Just show us the player, that’s all I need!
Stateside mmmmmm One Neuer with extra vinegar, please.
Willierednut mmmmm yes, from your window I might take one Daniele De Rossi (hold the pickle)
What are we mates, Window shopin?! :lol;
But De Rossi for 18M. mmmm, cracker of a 6ft Central Midfielder (28 this July). Might be worth the punt. Though if he isn’t bringing his wife we should drop the offer by a couple million. She was fit!
LMAO just what the fuck are you lot on about on here?
Scott a new page if you would be so kind mate? I fear the Natives are becoming Restless!
King Eric @ Spot on mate. Thats exactly why I find it hard to support England. If they acted like the average National side they really are I’d consider it, but the unjustified arrogance carried by a piss poor National side like England puts me right off. England are like City, they spend millions, expect to win it all but in actuallity they win fuck all. Its the same shit. England suffer from a small mindedness that comes from thinking too flippin big. On paper England look formidable so they convince themselves they can recreate 1966, but the cold harsh truth is they’d struggle to make the top 7 in Europe. Pathetic.
i’m not on anyone side. But i agree with parryheid. Looking back at the posts i’ve always thought there is this little wank fest between certain posters. And there is no point trying to make parryheid look crazy. All i see is bullying not on.
I can’t comment on de Rossi because I haven’t seen enough of him. And I don’t want to violate my new policy of not discussing particular transfer targets. But just as a general comment, I know the club has a thing against buying players much past their mid 20s, but for our midfield, I think we could (maybe should) make one exception. With Scholes and Giggs winding down, and a bunch of really young guys coming through (which I personally think is great), I think one older head, someone who is proven and who does have genuine experience under his belt, would be a wise move. This Costa fella might be the bee’s knees, but at 20, I can only see him as more competition for the likes of Morrison, Tunnicliffe and Pogba. Now, that competition might be a good thing in the long run. But I still think it would be wise to get someone a bit older to act as a mentor to these lads coming through. Whether that should be de Rossi or someone else, I’ll leave that up to others to argue about.
Why has Scott not written a new blog – I blame Parryheid – look what you’ve done now, we’ve all gone to the dogs.
@ KingEric
I really think you should atop beting around the bush and come out and say what you really mean about the England Team
@ Cedars
Slap! Robson is not dead for God’s sake, get a grip of your trunk! He will be fine, you are practically writing his bloody eulogy. Do you know nothing about sending positive energy waves? What is wrong with you.
SCOTT!!! HEEEELPP! NEW BLOG! I wasted 40 minutes on this crap and now the word Paryheid and Parrypeed are stuck in my head.
As usual I am last on the Blog and talking to my self, it’s like parypissing in the wind – who is there, no one is there, even Paryheid, come on mate, I will chat with u about footie, I have eaten my last wine gum and I am really bored now, maybe we can bond? Q’esque tu pense mon ami?
Apologies
Alec > England Rant
England don’t spend Millions like City, but they consist of millionaire players who are touted as the best in the World, and just like City, the England Camp look down at the famous names on the teamsheet and arrogantly expect them to win it. Meanwhile Tick follows Tock.
Funny thing is if Capello picked his first choice 11 including whatever United players he wanted, I’d bet money Alec could beat it with an England Team assembled with players Capello left out. Players like Leighton Baines, Charlie Adams, Darren Bent, for unbiased examples. These types of players will never break into the England team even when on top form. Meanwhile their big name counterparts are picked even when half injured or playing shit. Nearly every England manager I’ve ever seen is either too scared, too stubborn, or simply too stupid to pick players based on form and form alone. Sure ONE player might be so important you pick them even when below par but the whole fucking squad? How small minded is that given the selection of English talent in the EPL? Then they wonder why the likes of Gerrard Lampard and Rooney play like they don’t wanna be in the middle of Fuck-Knows-Where for a friendly. Of course by the time the Circus gets to a tournament the rots set in.
At United our players thrive on competition but in the Ingurlund Camp theres none. The fact the national side is RELIANT on Terry to lead them out says it all – What a small minded big nosed Cunt Capello is – He came in with all the big talk about only picking players based on performances but look at the teams he selects. Its predictable and stagnant. He was even touted for the United job!!! England would’ve progressed further in the WC if the big names were left at home and the unsung heros of the EPL were chosen instead. How many teams full of superstar players must we see crash and burn before somebody realises the problem lies deep in the camp? Even with Scholes in International retirement, Alec could secure a victory over Capello’s best 11 by picking a team from the best of the rest. The standard of English football isn’t the problem, the Camp is the problem, from the FA down to the Media via the Manager.
Its laughable how convinced “the Camp” are of Englands inability to win a trophy without Gerrard Lampard and Roooney etc on the pitch. Can somebody explain to them why teams like Brazil, Germany and Argentina are always a threat no matter WHO they field? Its got something to do with instilling the right Spirit into their Camps. Most England players pay lip service to the shirt but they don’t give two fucks about playing for their Country. But these same players manage to play like they give a fuck week in week out for their Clubs, even the ones who want to swap Clubs. The England players ain’t to blame imo, its the England managers. The National Side needs a ruthless manager to shake things up and that clearly ain’t Stat Quo Capello. Start picking players based on form alone and watch the improvements – it might not be immediate but results will come. England need to emulate the faith Germany put in their Youngesters at the WC, and I’d go as far to say the England U21 would’ve probably given a better showing at the WC than the seniors.
For teams like Brazil Argentina and Germany, reaching the latter stages is down to tradition because rather than manufacture a “golden generation” they instill a winning mentality into the Youth teams and ensure those players make it into the senior team. Look at the England U21, most of them end up still playing there years later because they have to wait for senior players to retire. How can England expect to win anything with such a DISCONNECT between the youth and the senior teams?
The entire FA is Fucking Abhorrent. Rio is right not to react or we’d never hear the end of it. But I do wish he’d leave the three Lions to it. He plays with better players under a better Manager at United.
(End Late Night Rant)
Dela – r u Bahraini ? Good to see someone other than me on RoM from Bahrain
Fair comment on that Berba video, StatesideAussie. I should have mentioned that as it was quite bizzare.
smartalex … no worries, I know you feel the same way. People might bitch that The Berb doesn’t move often enough, or fast enough, but when he does move, it’s fucking beautiful. He is a masterpiece in human movement, pure elegance in motion, complete mastery of all the physical elements, time, space and balance, not to mention his mastery of the ball. I don’t know why anyone would want to FX to that. May as well desecrate the Mona Lisa with neon paint. Cheers buddy!
Chicharito lovers will enjoy this, 3 minutes. Lots of goals, smiling and a few special effects
Manchester United’s – Little Pea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EQ44leLLRE
*yawn*
need.new.post.
Last term it was Tottenham who came out on top but Given feels if City manage it this term, it would be a warning to Europe’s top clubs that the Blues have arrived.
“It would be a huge statement to other European clubs,” Given said.
“It would show we are going to be around for a long time and that we are going to be the team to watch over the coming years.”
Shay Given bigging up 4th place in the Prem.
Given might be right, he will be around for a long time sitting on the bench watching his team…but at least now it is a mighty big european club’s bench, not lech poznan’s.
“going to be the team to watch ” Ask the priest to tell that to your supporters.
lol@smartalex … yeah, who would want to watch the fucking dross those cunts serve up. No wonder wastelands is two-thirds empty at 5 bucks a seat.
StatesideAussie, they are a shambolic excuse for a club. it’s incredible that Given can say that “It would be a huge statement to other European clubs” if city came 4th in the Prem. What an idiot.
Gibbo and Trap being interviewed by Sky. Despite their conflicting views over his club situation, Gibson insists there is no bad air between the pair.
“I can see where he is coming from. Obviously he wants me to play every week so that he can get the best out of me when I play for Ireland but it’s not happening at the minute so both of us have just got to deal with it.
“If I can get in to the Manchester United team I will play for Ireland – that’s the way I see it.
“So if I am playing every week for United I will play for Ireland so my main aim at the moment is to try and get in the United team every week.”
Great attitude from Gibbo.
@PaulParker … “Funny thing is if Capello picked his first choice 11 including whatever United players he wanted, I’d bet money Alec could beat it with an England Team assembled with players Capello left out. ” What an excellent comment. Top stuff!
Stuart Holden was born in Aberdeen, Scotland and grew up in Sugar Land, Texas.
Texas’ Hold’em took the Turn, did the Flop to the ground, and Evans was sold down the River.
18 months ago there were rumours that Henriquez had already signed an agreement with United, here he is at OT – http://bit.ly/gpEyaz
A good 3 minute video of the Barcelona semi at Old Trafford, CedarsDevil, this is a better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE_euyVwYhI
It’s the Mirror with the scoop on Henriquez, I normally don’t go there, news is slow.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-transfer-news-Alex-Ferguson-is-set-to-pip-rivals-across-the-globe-to-land-3m-rated-teenage-Chilean-striker-Angelo-Henriquez-article716443.html
Now that TT has been reinstated, he is complaining that it was taken away. He is not contrite.
“I accepted their decision. It doesn’t mean to say I agreed with it, and I never will,” said the Chelsea skipper. “That’s me being very proud and having been honest with them. Then they made their decision, which I didn’t agree with. I didn’t agree with the decision, which I told them (Capello and assistant Franco Baldini) face to face, but I said I respected their decision and would continue to work hard. I could understand it a little bit, but once they spoke to me – and it’s difficult for legal reasons to go into detail – I just felt I didn’t deserve to lose the armband.”
English Football is the laughing stock of the world. Criminal and insane.
The England Manager feels that Terry has been punished enough.
The England Captain feels that Terry should not have been punished.
Which is the official line?
A morons and an imbecile representing England. Nice one.
After reading and digesting all the 400 comments i have come up with a one statement solution:
John “Titface” terry has issues he needs to address in his life.
hello ghtt,statesideaussie , smartalex and all
GHTT
who’s that henriquez’ guy?
MG, Costas
whats with that parryscary guy, anyway we have to thank him for his posts as those still had a good impact in a way that it resulted in a wonderful post by MG @ 21:18 and some nasty sarcastic posts from Costas and loads of fun
bobbycharlie1968
Excellent post!…on CLLC
NRD, King Eric
spot on regarding Carrick, I’m posting the same time and again about how valuable carrick is in his current role, majority of the fans i guess are never going to realize that which is a bit sad as recognition is a minimal thing you can ask for when someone is performing a crucial job in our team, yes he had some bad games which everyone will have some time or the other but in last month or so he has been more consistent than before,
and regarding club’s financial status, wakey’s informative posts with proper valid points and supporting data have been a real source for me rather than the vague posts by many on here
Willie,smart alex, fletch theman , stateside
Regarding De Rossi, I’m not sure whether it will be him making our team look better or rather the team carrying him atleast for initial season or two, as currently he isn’t in great form, he looked very poor against shaktar in last 16 of champions league and hasn’t looked convincing in that shit italian league
and another Question would be how he will fit in the team as he is more of defensive one rather than a creative player, we already have carrick/fletch who are doing pretty well in a defensive role and the real problem has been creative side of midfield
its more Questions rather than answers in his case, so i’m not sure whether we have to go for him
paul parker
nice point there regarding capello and SAF, charlie adam is from scotland i think but yeah there many others who can completely change the look of England’s team
i usually like to watch England’s games but only for the fun it provides with the way they play i.e.,CLUELESS
sorry my prev post is lengthy, anyway what more can you expect if you have to reply for some 400 posts eh?
where is Scott ?!! it will be nice if we have some analysis from Scott on our Defense, Mid and Fwd area about how we have performed in each area till this point and situation for remainder of the season in all those areas
@Paul Parker: “I fear the Natives are becoming Restless!”
LOL – Couldn’t have described what’s going on here any better. This is what happens when England dares to interrupt our season.
It’s all good fun, tho….some people here should take it easy.
@ancha
Hi mate. I can only guess what the problem is. Apparently it’s against the law to have a mutual appreciation society in here. Even during international breaks. Lets starts arguing about Gibson and Evans. God knows that’s more productive. If someone doesn’t like head tapping, they can skip the posts. That’s why mouses were designed to scroll down.
I do agree that we need a new topic though. I’ve seen all I wanted to see from Evans’ tackle. Maybe Scott is preparing a compilation of the CLLC’s most shameful moments.
Costas
ofcourse parry has gone way over the mark with his cryptic abuse which shouldn’t have happened
For most of the things I agree with whatever is going on here and I’m very much happy to be at this place for most of the hours in my day and love most of the regular posters and their views and the fair discussion that goes on, But somewhere down the line it got slightly messy when compared to situation 2 years back, may be because of huge increase of people who regularly post but at the same the blog has gained lot of excellent posters like MG,Statesideaussie,Cedars,smartalex, Willie, Jeet,dela,tonybee, Ryandunny and many others over the years that the quality they brought along with them along with contribution from the oldies like King Eric,Costas,corea,GHTT etc has definitely more than made up for that messiness
but guys like parry will always look at the messy part rather than the quality pouring in and he may never realize that
Aww fuck it all… just when you think life couldnt get better, what must come along and sting up everything is the fucking international break. My cup of joy runneth over!
@Costas – “When love and hate collide”!
@SmartAlex – I have gone on record earlier to say that you were overdoing the music bit, but now is the best time! Doesnt mean that you have to oblige, of course, but just to show that I am not some sour & dour mean spirited bastard who cant appreciate the small trivialties that make life bearable!
All – I am ohh soo fucking excited! I am going to play “serious” footy again after like 10 yrs! 6 a side corporate tournament (lucky that participants are going to have similar levels of fitness)! Practice on Saturday and matchtime on Sunday! Cant believe what its going to be like pulling on the kit and feeling the reassuring bite of the studs on the pitch! Wish me luck, lads!
and I have Question for Mr Giles Oakley
Sir, from your articles I have come to know you have worked for BBC for a long period, I would like to know your detailed view on SAF – BBC broken relations ?
guys please help in passing this to him as it will be difficult for this to reach him over these 400+ posts
jeet
all the best!
Wakey
You are projecting. Once again YOU twist other people’s words yet accuse others of doing so. I find that despicable, to tell you a truth.
I don’t like these fucking rich, American ARSEHOLES that you consistently defend and never say a derogatory truth about. Your posts are fucking tiresome, to tell you another truth. I’ll explain why in a minute. I also don’t like the way you try to attack me by talking about MUST like they’re a bunch of cunts when it’s those cunts that bought the club that are the real cunts. You mention MUST a lot, it’s like they’ve hit a nerve with you, but you constantly try to paint them like this bunch of clueless raging minority that nobody listens to. Well there’s 165000 of them and the only reason you’ll hear sighs when MUST is mentioned is because most of us fans are sick of the whole debate, and that includes me. I believe they’re set up by fans direct, something the queen helped establish, with a view to helping fans own what they love – their football club. Quite innocent really, in fact a world away from the picture you paint of them. You seem to like to portray me as some kind of MUST defender, like it’s something worthy of ridicule and I think that’s something worth ridiculing. Yes I’m tired of the Glazers’ ownership and the ridiculously complex and piss boring financial details that come along for us to peruse. However, I’m well aware that this fact would be news to the Glazer’s ears, as it’s deliberately complicated by design. They don’t want marching in the streets, green and gold scarf waving and calls for their sick, greedy fucking heads to be kicked around the car park, put on a spike and finally ceremoniously burned. Do they. So they make the finances as complex as possible in the vain hope we’ll all get bored and move on. Then people like you call us out for believing the media’s ‘scaremongering’. They aren’t scaremongering at all, they’re publishing boring financial details regarding said bunch of fucking rich, American ARSEHOLES’ cheeky fucking plan.
Nice to see people getting restless.Take deep breaths and relax.dont get wound up over nothing.try to view a post from the publishers point of view and give him the benefit of the doubt.I think stateside aussie does this best.No need to belittle someone.There is already enough negativity in the media, as a long time reader i hope to see peace restored.
Xol
For someone who stays in a different country I mayn’t understand some of the problems faced by fans because of the Glazer’s reign but I do understand most of the problems and even I don’t want them as the club owners but only if there is a better practical option available, and right now I’m not aware of any other better practical option out there, so I feel that we stick to what we have and support the team until some viable option which is better than Glazers is available
Your post seems to have lot of abuse, go easy mate
Cricky, a lot of swearing this morning.
Surely the offer from Qatar must be more enticing for the Glazers as this business plan were all operating profits are sucked up bank interest payments can not be viable for too long.
I think this is not the last we here of the story and the summer should bring some very interesting news on this front.
On an other note alot of talk on this Costa bloke being a good buy for the midfield but is he not a winger? Not sure myself so would appreciate someone clearing this for me. Cheers!
Morning all Red Lads and Ladettes
In my boredom I watched that BBC CLLC clip. What a cunt Lol. He does exactly what it says on the tin.
@ Ancha, right you are about Bonny Charlie Adams. Thats what happens when you post after midnight during the international break! Meant to type Scott Parker guess I had the Scotsman on the brain. Parker is the midfielder you’ll never see force his way into the England team even when Franky and Stevie Me are both playing shite for club and country. He is exactly what Capello needs in the middle. If it was form alone and not media reputation Scott Parker would be England’s Captain.
smartalex 4.54
Cheers for the new link mate, actually it was the quarter final, we lost the semi to Juventus who had a certain Platini with them, dick head he may be but he sure was one heck of a player.
Morning all true reds
GHR
Re Douglas Costa, he can play on the wings or just behind the fwds as an attacking mid similar to ronadinho
FletchTHEMAN
Sorry for the late response mate, I put Muhren on my list because he oozed class. I watched nearly all the games he played for us and he was always top notch. As for my list, it was not meant to be a line up of any sorts, just players who imo were/are United greats. Forgot to add Irwin as well!
Cheers
Paul parker
yeah, Scott parker would have been definite starter
the problem with England I feel is more due to FA and the media but not the manager if you see the trend you can sense that there is major involvement of FA in selecting the squads rather than the manager, I mean someone like L Blanc would definitely kicked out most of these cunts that are now in current eleven and bring in serious players those who fit the style/formation of the team rather select individuals and then decide the formation to fit them in, this mayn’t happen practically as FA wouldn’t give free reign to whoever is the manager in selecting the squad
26 year old Lassana Diarra for 12 Million, anyone?
Could just be interational-break-bollocks, mind, but given his experience age and diversity 12Mi isn’t bad for whoever buys him. We’ve just rewarded Carrick and Fletcher with contracts for the same role. Decent squad player but I doubt United are in the market and I doubt he’d sign to sit on our bench. Having said that, signing him for DM is the equivalent of signing VD at AM you know exactly what you getting for your money
Re: GHTT’s pic of Henriquez @ OT:
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/24183/original/500pxShopped.jpg
Paul Parker says:
‘Having said that, signing him for DM is the equivalent of signing VD at AM you know exactly what you getting for your money’
Mate, although I have had my coffee already but that line confused the hell out of me! lol
Diarra = DM equivalent of VDV. If he’s avalable im sure ‘andy Arry’ll ‘av ‘im for a farthing.
@Ancha. Agreed, and the fact the England camp rolls over for the media to select the team tells us all we need to know about that bunch of fuck ups and the FA in general.
ancha, you’re right. At the moment, any sale seems far off and it frustrates.
Wakey, I apologise. Your posts are informative – it’s the debate that’s tiresome and I should add that the root of my hatred of the complex and unnecessary debt isn’t the nationality of the owners, so I’m sorry if that sounded anti-American.
@ Cedars
just as well i thought to correct the typo!
On the Costa rumours.They just eventuated because of some bloody journalist thought he spotted him in the directors box. Turned out to be someone else.And I think that we already have a deal in place to sign henriquez for 4 million at any time before 2014.Currently he is required to make 2 trips to United to be assessed by the coaching team.Not a bad deal i say.
By the way, how is Micheal Brady(i think) progressing for his current club.Was impressed with him in the world cup and thought he would provide decent cover for the midfield.Seems to have the pressing attitude that the midfield currently lacks in some games.
Just stumbled across this sad, sad interview. The funniest question:
“It is easy to understand why any player wanted to come to City, but what particularly attracted you?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kdlRvTJ2U&feature=related
Looks like Scott is waiting for max comments on this article
That De Rossi Telegraph link posted earlier was interesting. What a character to have in your team. Inspirational leader type. Can’t believe I just thought of CLLC after I typed that lol. To be honest, I’d follow that guy into battle – and I don’t speak a word of Italian unless it’s on a menu. CLLC no chance. I’d defect. There’s more on De Rossi’s difficulties in the Independent -
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/manchester-united-tipped-off-about-de-rossis-availability-2249962.html
Paul parker
I don’t think arry would go for a DM as they have very good player in Sandro and has Palacios/Huddlestone/Jenas as cover, they don’t have quality strikers that’s their main concern and as they desperately tried for a striker in the winter I see them do the same in the summer too
and as far us signing him, even though I’m not interested in De Rossi I would prefer him for 18m over Diarra at 12m,
I don’t think we need such a major signing who wants to play all the time and indispensable rather than go for some potential players similar to chicharito/smalling who will be willing to be on the bench
newton_red
let him sign and play for our academy and reserves then we can have some assessment, otherwise their is very little to comment on such unknown talents
xol
I feel many are unaware of the incidents where De Rossi elbowed opponents and got punished, one happened recently against shaktar and the other I’m not sure but I think it’s while playing for Italy, based on his current form I’m not that excited about getting him
I do think United have a slight chance in signing De Rossi if the reports are true.I doubt he would want to stay in Italy and play against Roma.He is son of Roma.I doubt any other club will go for him.Madrid have Alonso(who is also quality), Barcelona will keep trying to sign Fabregas, Chelsea have Essien(although De Rossi could be a replacement for him due to injuries), and i seriously doubt wenger will pay big bucks for him.And hopefully Mancini thinks he has enough defensive midfielders for now(but never now with that clueless plank).So in my fantasy world, we are the ideal candidates for him.
Is he what we need in midfield is another story as the views of fans will differ.
some one please explain, how events happened in 2008 and 2009 have such an effect on De Rossi that now after almost 2 years he wants to leave
All things being equal, by the time the CL starts back up Alec should have Nani, Valencia, Park, Anderson, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, Fletcher and some even reckon Hargo all available. Injuries more than lack of talent has plagued our midfield. The only big name midfielder I’d welcome unconditionally to United is Sneijder. I’ve never been sold on Rossi or Diarra for United, both decent players mind, but im looking forward to seeing a full strength midfield for the first time this Season more than the summer transfer window.
ancha, seems the story being portrayed is that of an unhappy player. I last saw him in the World Cup and thought Italy were dire, but he stood out.
“They used to treat me as one of their own, they would tell me to throw in another elbow, but now the wind has changed. Something here at Roma is changing.
“For a year and a half, the things I’ve heard that have given me the most pride have come from outside Rome. I have had moments at a low ebb, in which I wasn’t at my best. Do I feel wounded?
“Yes, but I don’t want to play the victim, I don’t want people to come and tell me how great I am. The wound will heal itself. Then, everyone makes his own assessments.”
@Ancha
Cheers mate, I try my best
@King Eric
Cheers mate, you’re spot on as well. He is a typical example of all talk and no actual substance. He’s the kind of wanker I’d expect to give it large but not be able to take it (hence his “don’t take the piss” press conference) and if he is the best leader England can call on then fuck them. Completely agree with your England views as well. I love my country, but fuck the football team. Until they get sorted I won’t support England, won’t support whoever they’re playing, but just won’t support them, they mean fuck all to me. United is, has been and always will be my true love, my true passion. Whenever I get back to Manc for a game is whenever I’m happiest, back home. UNITED>Ingurlaaand
lol CLLC wouldn’t ever play the victim either. I wonder if that thing that gave De R’ the most pride was a call from Sir Alex. Regardless, I’m all for seeing the youth progress. I just remember how SAF brilliantly concocted another great team using youth and Cantona.
I think that Scott should pick up on this post from the andersred blog: http://andersred.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-much-of-uniteds-profits-are.html. The two diagrams show a) that pre-Glazer a larger fraction of the EBITDA was invested in the squad and b) that pre-Glazer the club _received_ interest while now half the EBITDA is used for interest payments.
Where’s scott?
We need a new post!
yo scotty too hotty..we need a new post mate!!!
iPhone Killer!
@sigmundv
It will be argued that those profits weren’t there in the first place to invest in to the club and therefore it would be obvious that less profit would be reinvested in to the club. A better graph would be to show the percentage of the proportion of the profits reinvested in to United.
Although I think this will still show the Glazers reinvesting a lower proportion of profits in to United as they have interest payments to service.
In America their are rules as to how much debt can be piled on to the baseball clubs (Rounders played by men). It seems as though that is a sensible approach.
Costas – I thought park was out for another month reason why I never mentioned him. I do think we win 6 draw one that should be enough to win the league, pending on how many pts arsenal drop. But we now have the more bread and butter games well 6 of them. The gd thing is we have 1 big home game, with the way results have gone esp against liverpool and chelsea when we lost both, we may have got through the worst part and come out the other side in really gd shape at the moment, and the awesome thing is? we have a 2 week break which was needed.
NotoriousRedDevil – yea I even forget how effective ronaldo is, like I said in the past its a shame he only had 2 gd seasons with united. We do still at times miss his pace on the right and the left to take on sides, esp in away games.
Totally agree with Paul Parker about our transfer targets. never quite fancied DeRossi. Sneidjer is the man who stands out for me. If you watched the Bayern-Inter match, he was one guy who absolutely, totally stood out. Heart of the team, brilliant to watch and a constant threat to the opposition.
Morning.
What a pair of fucking toe rags Irani and Brazil are. Just this morning they were talking horse racing and Brazil was talking about Fergies horse “what a friend”. Snidey cunt Brazil then says “perhaps he could give the winnings to United considering their finances in all the papers today” . Fuck off reject and let Fergie build yet another winning team you bitter man. Then worse than that we have that cunt Irani waxing lyrical about what a fantastic player Terry is and how is such a great leader of men. I kid you not he was gushing. Is he REALLY a United fan? I seriously have doubts. Tossers.
Afternoon all, has anyone heard anything on the Hargreaves front?
Think hargo’s waiting for this thread to hit 700…
Off the topic, anyone heard any news on Hargreaves?
Echo in the room Rai! HA HA HA!!!
WillieRedNut @ 22:42: “A story to interest denton davey.”
You betcha ! He’d be the dog’s bollox – and then some. By the way, this exact-same story was in both the Telegraph and the Independent so “smoke = fire” ?
Obviously, Daniele De Rossi would be my “ideal” signing – but I can’t believe that he’d “only” cost 20 million although his contract is winding down. The other aspect of the story that was fascinating to me was that his wages seem to be so “low” – I mean 60,000 a week in comparison to 80,000 weekly for John O’Shea ? I figure that he’d get about double his weekly packet to sign for UTD – after fending off interest from the usual suspects.
Whatever the financial implications of this signing – and his age (I mean, really ! , is 27 now “old” for a warrior ?), this guy would be an absolutely perfect addition to the first-team’s new twenty-something core (Nani, Tony Valencia, Fletcherinho and WayneBoy and (just maybe !) Manuel Neuer) would all be in their mid-to-late twenties which would act as ballast to counteract the thirty-somethings (Dimmy, Rio, Evra, Vidic, and the GeriatricGiggs) and the KiddieKorps (Chicharito, Smalling, Rafael, and Fabio) and also the new crop of FergyFledglings (Morrison, Pogba, King, Tunnicliffe, Welbeck, and Cleverley). All told, that would be a nice balance in the age-distribution.
Whether there’s any truth to this story – and the quotes which are supposedly from De Rossi himself put an interesting spin on the usual “agent’s bafflegab” because the issues for him would seem to be truly personal (i.e, physical threats whcih can’t be dismissed lightly since his father-in-law was killed for some reasons to do with his footie career and a lack-of-love from the fans) – I remain convinced that SAF will announce his signings very quickly. All of that stuff about “learning a lesson” with the botched Van Der Sar transfer after Schmeichel retired have to be seen in this light; same goes for the blitzkrieg when Hargreaves/Nani/Anderson were announced a few years ago, and the purchases of Chicharito and Smalling last year. SAF is the man-with-a-plan and the key part of that plan is identifying the guys he wants and then going hard to get them signed/sealed/delivered asap.
Oh, yeah, I’d be astonished if Paul Scholes re-signs for next year. Like Edwin, he seems to value his personal professional pride very highly and he will have noticed that the physical side of his game is beginning to skp away from him.
Quite frankly, I think the time where we could have signed De Rossi has come and gone. Other than a goal keeper, I don’t see us buying anyone older than 25.
@xol
Let me explain my problem with MUST. Supporters trusts are a great idea on paper as a way of taking fans collective concerns and presenting them to the club in a single voice that allows them to be heard better.
The problem is they have the same downfall as you see with alot of trade unions. This being that the ‘power’ that the leaders get corrupts and rather than them working for the members they use the members to try and increase their power and sense of self worth.
MUST’s leaderships end goal seems to be that they want to not be running a supports trust but want to be running the club, this is imho the reason they were so willing to jump into bed with the Red Knights because they were being offered a Golden share.
To achieve this they seem to be willing to use us the fans in anyway they can, they misrerpesent everything to tug at our heart strings and to get us to carry out their bidding with our hearts rather than engaging our brains. You have to take your hat off to them because when it comes to running such a campaign they know the audience they are playing to and know how to pull it off.
While their tactics may have been valid during the takeover attempt it needed toned down once it had happened, we as fans needed them at the table to give fans a mouthpiece to the Glazers. MUST choose to ramp it up however and get more and more agressive, drove a bigger and bigger wedge between the Glazers and the Fans and alienated themselves to a point where they will NEVER be consulted or even listened to by any Owner.
If MUST want to be anti Glazer then thats fine with me but their duty is to serve the fans and that doesn’t mean spouting propaganda, twisting facts and even outright lieing just to tug at the heart strings. With such a complex subject that goes over most peoples heads they should be reporting the facts in a way that people will understand with as little bias as they can so that the fans can then make an informed decision on their stance
On the complexity it has nothing to do with wanting to confuse the fans, its complex because it needs to be, keeping things simple in business means you take a hit on the bottom line. Most companies will be a maze to navigate through their accounts and structure, the Glazers malls themselves are in a simerlar situation and they aren’t trying to confuse fans with those
chaosred – No one is getting bullied on here mate. Costas and parryheid have had an ongoing spat, for a while now. For the record, I’ve no problem with parryheid. My advice to both involved, would be to ignore each others posts, though, that’s easier said, than done on RoM.
Anyone have any thoughts about the “rumour” linking Richard Dunne to UTD ? This guy is soooo inconsistent – I’ve seen him be absolutely brilliant and absolutely atrocious – so I’d expect that he’d be “interesting” as a veteran back-up but not a starter.
denton davey – Hello mate. I seriously doubt Richard Dunne will be coming here. Then stranger things have happened.
denton davey – I’m inclined to your way of thinking. A De Rossi type, is what I think we need. We’ve got enough young players coming through the ranks. A more established player, who the young bucks can look up to, would be ideal.
@willie
It’s not like that. More people got involved last night and it wasn’t just about me and him. I do agree that it’s not bullying though. If I went inside a room and insulted a bunch of people, I’d expect all of them to react. That doesn’t constitue bullying.
*constitute*
Costas – Fair enough, but my point still stands. Try and ignore each other mate. GHTT and AIG had a tit for tat thing, which went on for a long time. we rarely see any of those on here now.
Aa there is no PL this weekend you’d think some of us would have a passing interest in the Ingurland game but to be quite honest the only thing thats in my head are the ballot results for semi final tickets, I really do hope Wales do us so I can listen to some McClarenesque quotes from Cappello.
@willie
I appreciate it. And I realize how tiresome this has become for the rest of you. Sorry about that.
Wakey,
I’m sure the Supporters Trust wouldn’t hesitate to agree that fan ownership is the goal they seek.
I support the co-op movement, even though I’m aware that politics and greed from Individuals can sometimes affect any group of like minded people who only want the best for their group/society/Football Club. Obviously that greed and ‘unfairness’ can be weeded out easily – hence the longevity of groups and societies formed by like minded individuals for the greater good of the Club and not for personal financial gain. Removing that weed from a Business is a different kettle of fish – especially when that weed is the owner.
Costas – I just don’t want to see two United fans taking lumps out of each other mate.
Scott!
What could be more important than UNITED?
Where the new post mate?
XOL … “I also don’t like the way you try to attack me by talking about MUST like they’re a bunch of cunts when it’s those cunts that bought the club that are the real cunts.” I have to say, that is quite a statement
But next time, do you think you could tell us what you really think hahaha!
For the Mike Phelan haters out there http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6830333,00.html.
Note: I am not one of them.
@willie
That’s understandable mate. But you know how it is. We are not always proud to be associated with certain United fans.
Anyway, I hope we get a new topic soon. No matter how much fighting goes on here, we won’t break the comments record set during Ambition gate.
Stateside – lol plain English award comment. Actually, that wasn’t me, it was my mate, Duncan.
Agree, we need a new topic. How about United > England, Rio > Terry(the cunt)?
think parryheid does it alot of time just to get a rise,yes there’s 5 or 6 guys who are very good freinds and it comes across on the blog don’t see anything wrong with that.what was out of line is suggesting the rest of us are mindless lapdogs looking for attention and kissing ass of the chosen few thats just bollocks.i’ve had my run ins with alot on here just like many others so i don’t get what he’s on about in that regards.
alot of us have the same things in common because were utd fans,i hate the negativtity,slagging of players the need for some to call sir alex a liar,always about signing the 40mill rentboys otherwise the club is broke,the need for the extreme to get rid of the glaziers by bankrupting the club,because i defend the things i’m passionate about doesn’t make me a lapdog or kiss ass
The Independent story on de Rossi added some interesting perspective. Seems the player really needs a change of scenery for personal reasons, that whole thing concerning the murder of his father-in-law, and now rumors of some blackmail going on. Plus the unsettled nature of the club itself. Seems both the current and prospective owners are “understanding” about his desire to leave. Seems too that while the Virus would be interested, his preference is Old Trafford. Got to say, his current weekly wages and asking price seem very reasonable.
So if the reports are to be believed: (a) SAF has a long-standing interest in the guy but has been previously been rebuffed because de Rossi was loyal to Roma, who he has supported since childhood; (b) for personal reasons beyind his control he is now desperate to leave Roma/Italy; (c) we are his number 1 choice; (d) his club is co-operating, not because they want him to leave for football reasons but because they understand his personal situation; (e) at the end of this season, his current contract has only 1 year left anyway; (f) with the blessing of both de Rossi and Roma, his agents have already approached SAF; (g) his current pay deal is “only” 60k a week; (h) he could be available for less than 20mil.
Thinking about all that, it’s quite possible a deal has already been agreed. Like DentonDavey, I believe SAF is a “man with a plan”. I am convinced he wouldn’t buy anyone, or even take anyone for free, unless he totally believed that player fits SAF’s profile of a “Manchester United player” and fits SAF’s plans for the squad. Any player has to fit both, and the financial side has to be right too. Sounds to me like the de Rossi thing is a goer, and I agree with others who say that someone his age would actually be good for us, given the youngsters coming through.
@willie
Scott is probably waiting for Friday when (I think) the cunt will speak. Then we should get a nice “how much we hate Terry” topic.
@wayne
Well said. And when it comes down to it, I don’t get what’s wrong with people being friendly towards each other here.
Having a blend of young players and experience, has always been the key for United. Now, look at Arsenal. Wenger hasn’t bought into that concept, hence, they haven’t won anything for 5 and a half years.
@King Eric
Hello mate. Stranger things like Michael Owen coming to United! Ha.
@willie … yes, I totally agree — not only about us, but about The Arse too. IMO, Sir Alex’s achievement in transitioning from one great generation to the next, without having to wander in the trophy wilderness for 5-6 years (or even 2 years), may well end up being his most remarkable achievement in a lifetime of remarkable achievements. And a lot of it has to do with his ability to identify the right players, not only in ability and skill, but in character, attitude and fortitude as well; plus, his refusal to settle for anything less. If SAF already thinks de Rossi is such a player, then the deal is already half-way toward being done.
XOL … well, please feel free to pass on any other pearlers your friend Duncan comes up with from time to time. Cheers!
@Costas “I don’t get what’s wrong with people being friendly towards each other here.” No! We need more hate! More Vitriol! More bile! just kidding …
People get emotional. It’s sport, right? Got to expect emotion and passion, especially with a club like ours, where fans come from all over the world, all with different opinions and experiences and attitudes. A bit of tro-and-fro doesn’t hurt. It just gets out of hand sometimes. I’ve had one or two run-ins myself, but people just have to learn to move on. One thing I try to remember (don’t always succeed, lol) is that you can slag someone’s argument without necessarily slagging the person. What I mean is, there are people on here whose views on some things really get under my skin, but those same people have views on other things that I totally agree on. Lot of diverse topics here: football, transfers, opinions on players, ownership issues, even things like SAF’s eventually replacement. Plenty of scope for disagreeing with someone — and for agreeing with them too.
I’m back,and with a couple of points first one regarding MUST that guy Duncan who controls it got to stage a bit of propaganda on here some time ago where we on Rom were invited to put questions to him which he promised to answer fully.Still waiting.
Second point if I make a post on here like all others and fellow Rommers do not agree I expect them to voice their disagreement and tell me why .I do not expect to get into arguements with people who wont tell me how they think I am mistaken or refuse to read a post yet condemn it out of hand regardless of any merits it may have as previously stated No 19 is all important to me.
Friends, RoM, fellow fans, readers, lost souls; good day! We are United!
De Rossi is a tremendous player and would give the steel to our midfield that we need.
I think we need Tufty back to really unite everyone on this blog again:)
De Rossi would be good as in the mould of Keano. If anything he would provide some steel in the midfield. with his physical style, the EPL is better for him than Italy. I would prefer him than Diarra.
Read a few posts and it seems posters have been on each others necks. Looks like the international break is responsible for this. Whatever the reason. chill out. No need to turn on each other,especially here on ROM. For me ROM is the pulse of United faithfuls, no need to look like mugs for all to see, we are after all United
FA is starting to release a story that SAF is trying to break the respect campaign. Very very myopic pieces so far. Really pathetic. All reds should get on these sites and point out how respect goes both ways.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/soccer/wires/03/23/2050.ap.soc.man.united.ferguson.0163/index.html
Many have said Valencia did better when he was operating more towards the middle.
Many have also said Carrick’s doing well as a DM.
So _if_ we can get more consistency and end product from Obertan, how does a midfield of Obertan / Carrick / Valencia / Nani sound?
Nani could swap with Valencia and play the role of a second striker, which he once did quite well I believe. Or swap flanks with Obertan as and when necessary. Even if we discount Giggs and Scholes, I think our midfield is well manned. Maybe all we need are even better physios and/or fitness coaches to make sure we get less injuries!
@slim … go and get fucked, just stick it up your arse you peace-loving pansy-wristed twinkle-toed cunt … oops, just kidding lol
YorYor, I would prefer to keep Tony V and Nani where they are. Tony V’s pace and ability to beat people on the outside is to good to pass up, and right now he’s probably our best crosser of the ball. He’s just a terrific winger in the traditional mold, doesn’t do anything especially innovative but what he does do, he does very well indeed. Both he and Nani do come into the middle occasionally, but I see that as a valuable tactic during a match to keep the defense guessing. Nani does this more, especially when he plays on the left and cuts inside, but he has become a genuine two-footed player over the last two years. His great thing is being unpredictable. Ideally, I would like to see our wide and front men being fluid and interchangeable — we did that a few years ago with CR and it can be devastating for the defense.
Number 500! Now if that doesn’t provoke a response, nothing will
Why are we lending credence to the di rossi story its not like anyone could sign till the end of the season, just more paper bullshit if you ask me.
mattbw7 … yeah, it probably is. Still, if it’s true that his people have made the first move by contacting us, and that his desire to move really does have the blessing of Roma, that could make it a little different to the usual gossip crap, given that SAF is said to have a long-standing interest in him. Certainly, his apparent reasons for wanting to move seem credible and understandable. But we’ll see.
mattbw7 … I meant to ask, what do you think of de Rossi anyway? Just curious.
StatesideAussie
How are you mate? Hope all is well
Just a response
People keep saying we need a creative midfielder, well De Rossi can play a bit but I think we need a more muscular combative presence in the middle and that’s where I feel his talent really lies, I guess its one of those if SAF thinks he can adjust to the hurly burly quickly enough which I think he could, that said I still think the link is media driven. SAF might fancy him though I think his agent is only trying to raise our interest as a stalking horse as I feel other clubs with deeper pockets will want him, its unlikely he will stay in Italy given his recent personal problems so Spain could be a destination, the only other possible destination is accross the city and if he goes there it’s say all you need to know about his mentality, we’ll see.
@Cedars … yeah, I’m OK mate. Bored shitless. Fucking weather is the pits too.
@matt … it probably is about his agent trying to raise our interest, and not only ours. Otherwise, why put it out to the media? Like u say, we’ll see. Fuck, I hate the transfer window.
Not seen enough of De Rossi to make a comment, however as much of a priority that replacing VDS is I believe that so far we have failed to replace Roy Keane, not just as a player but more importantly as a leader.
I think Scott is waiting for the thread to get to 1000 comments first
Fuck me, its getting boring. No topics for 3 days. Not having a go Scott as you probably have a life, just saying.
AlphaRS – Hello pal. Yeah very true!
Are we still here ?
Afternoon all fellow red blooded reds
StatesideAussie – weather here in England is absolutely beautiful – ice cream weather!
Though not as hot as Cedars has it – he has mosquitoes to top it all off
Need to run Gentlemen and Ladies work to do – I know no rest for the restless
Fair play to the Bolton player. Turned out to be a revelation for Bolton this season. All the best and a speedy recovery.
Seen that Rio phoned Terry. Fair enough he knows the moral part and cares about the national team. And that’s all.
Lang7 – Wouldn’t be the first one with 1000 comments. already done
1000 posts ? We’ve seen it all )) 10000 that’s the goal.
@xol
I don’t believe that MUST is after Fan Ownership, they are after MUST and its leaders being the ones with the stake not the members. Just look at the Red Knights for example, the Red Knights initially promised Fan Ownership like Barca only to back track, what they did offer was to give MUST a Golden Share which MUST then commnicated as giving the fans a say in the club.
Infact what a Golden Share gave was to Give MUST’s leadership a say ONLY when it came to any future buyout. So if Duncan Drasdo and co were to decide that anyone buying the Red Knights out wasn’t fit they would have enough power to stop it. The Golden share however was only activated during a Buyout and only gave voting rights on that issue. It was a power grab by MUST which they then sold as giving the fans a say.
If they wanted Fan Ownership they had no need to keep backing the Red Knights the minute they backed down on initial promises. MUST were bought by the Red Knights with promises of power plain and simple.
And I’m curious as to where you think its easy to ‘weed out greed’ in these groups. Co-op movements never remain true co-op groups, greed and grabs for power always come into play and just like Comunism has never truely worked for these reason’s its the same in Football. The Fan ownerships we see are corrupt and far from what they were intended. Look at Real and Barca for example where Fans pay for the right to vote but in effect they almost always have a SINGLE person they can vote for as the poorer candidates have dropped out leaving just the richer left and given automatic rights to run the clubs how they see fit no matter what the fans think for the next 5 years. Its why we see Barca in real finacial issue despite receiving special treatment and handouts
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_6831036,00.html
Do not be overwhelmed mate, its the least we can do for you.
MG, cheers mate… Its a battle I always win lol
Breaking news: scott the red is currently on international duty with england. He will be starting his first cap for his country and will be in the shock starting lineup for the side of capello due to his impressive season he is having with his beloved club manchester united. He will play alongside wazza forcing carroll on the bench.
Dear SCOTT. Well, Scott in abstencia (SIA).
Right mate, no sense hanging around for 2 weeks talking about crap articles in the crap media. Scott, before ya go mate, just one little request. Set up the computer to auto release 3 pieces, one every 3 days or so. All need to be absolute scandalous bolloux, but here is the catch! Each needs to be directed at different groups of opposing fans. Yup, then you could go off on holiday and leave us to the trench warfare that would ensue. Go on mate. Do us the favor lad!
**** abstentia**** sheeesh
@ StatesideAussie
You Fucking lunatic,drinking some water reading that. I almost chocked . Prick, lol
FletchTHEMAN
Did you catch my response to your question? Must have been about 75000 posts ago by now! lol
@StatesideAussie
Yeah you bum. Lets start arguing about Carrick.
Just kidding. You know, considering this thread has gone on this long, there has been a surprising absence of Carrick bashing here. Weird…
I agree with you mate. I’ve had my run ins too. But if someone is a sensible guy and has views I can respect, then I can get along with him. At least I try to anyway, lol.
CedarsDevil Cheers for that. Muhren it is then! It is so true that we have had so much real class about this club. The weight of it must really be to much for some players. Almost all of us would have great difficulty putting together a top 11 list. Just down to the fact that there would be 2-3 players on the bench for each position. My list is rather standard. But I find it exceedingly sad that I don’t have Eric or Ryan or Whiteside on the first team just because Ruud was a more clinical finisher. Should really have Byrne on my 11 because of his goals to games ratio. Just so much class over so many great teams.
Manager: Sir Alex
First Team Coach: Sir Matt
Reserves Coach: Ton Atkinson
G 1 Peter Schmeichel
RB 2 Duncan Edwards
CFB 3 Steve Bruce/Bryon Robson
CFB 4 Bill Foulkes
LB 5 Denis Irwin
D Mid Paul Scholes
D Mid Roy Keane
A Mid 9 Bobby Charlton
RW 7 George Best
CF 10 Dennis Law
LW 11 Ruud Van Nisselroy
Bench
Goal Edwin van der Saar, Alex Stepney
Defense: Roger Byrne, Bryan Robson, Gary Palister, Gary Neville
Midfield C. Ronaldo, David Beckham
Forwards Eric Cantona, Ryan Giggs, OG Solskaejer, Norman Whiteside Andy Cole
@Costas
Carrick and Gibson are an easy target. Nobody in midfield has been extraordinary. The water carriers aren’t even carrying water anymore. I also doubt Scholes will sign another contract. It’s really saying something that he has been our most creative player in that department. I’m just glad we have 2 weeks for the players who have injuries to recover.
All this talk about Sneijder and De Rossi. The game is alot quicker in the Premiership. Could these guys really handle the pace? Can’t see united splashing that kinda cash on those players.
PS.
My second half subs 70th minute?
i. Eric Cantona,
ii. Ryan Giggs,
iii. Ole! Gunnar! Solskaejer!!!!
Just to see to opposition weep
Away game vrs Newcastle rescheduled to April 19th so fergie is now back for everton away
Slim … cheers mate, hope you recovered OK. My outburst was purely the result of what might be described as the Internet Forum version of “cabin fever”. I never really understood how bad cabin fever can be until we got snowed into our house for four days once when we lived in Denver … no TV (satellite dish buried in snow), no Internet or phone (lines down), i mean how much monopoly and scrabble can you play? Just shut in the house with the missus and kids, six feet of snow outside for four days, no snow plows in sight, it’s amazing what that can do to you. Sort of like being in here with no new topics to discuss…
FletchTHEMAN
As long as you have 2 Robson’s in your line up then I am your fiend for life!
To be honest Duncan Edwards alone would make a full 11 line up, as for the rest I respect your choice buddy
Costas … yeah, why isn’t anyone bagging Carrick? Beggars belief, really.
Alpha … I’m not promoting the guy, since I try to avoid talking about players I haven’t seen much of. But on the de Rossi thing, the figure being bandied around is about 18 mil for the transfer, and his current pay packet is said to be 60k a week. Doesn’t seem like big bucks, really. Whether he’s the right guy or not, I’ll leave that up to others. (Well, I might stir the pot a little now and than.)
FletchTHEMAN
Just make sure our Norman does not see your selection, he is a bit of a nut case!
Interesting article on Berb and how he fits in our plans:
http://www.footballfancast.com/2011/03/football-blogs/strange-that-sir-alex-ferguson-seems-to-lack-entire-trust-in-him
@Alpha
Sadly, I have to agree on Scholes. All the silence is worrying. of course, even if he does continue playing another year, that doesn’t mean that he is the answer to our problems. My main hope is that Anderson will give Fergie more otpions. Imo our midfield has had its best games this season with him in it.
Don’t know about Sneidjer since he has already managed to adjust to different leagues. But I do think that De Rossi would struggle.
@gerkeo
Good news then. The game didn’t get pushed back to May. Hopefully we will have enough to beat City at Wembley and Newcastle at St James within 3 days.
Cedars, For you mate…..
Give us two Bryan Robsons
Oh give us two Bryan Robsons.
Two Bryan Rooooooooobsonnnnnns
Oh give me two Bryan Robsons.
Then give us three Bryan Robsons
Oh give us three Bryan Robsons
Three give us three Bryan Rooooooooobsonnnnnns
@gerkeo … jeepers, that means 7 matches in 22 days. Fortunately, all are in England, but still … yikes!
Question : Will Holdens leg heal before Scott posts again ?
FletchTHEMAN
Cheers mate, love story with the man. Shook his hand in 2008, best moment of my life
Coastas … thanks for the link, though I disagree with what they say on a number of fronts. First of all, I don’t believe this has anything to do with SAF not “trusting” The Berb. Secondly, no-one could have foreseen the impact Hernandez would have. Third, they are totally different players, and I am certain SAF has been deploying them based on what he sees as tactical necessities for each game — Hernandez when he wants to get in behind the defense using speed and especially on the counter-attack; The Berb when he expects we will need to break down a massed defense. Fourth, April is our make or break month this year and with 7 matches in 22 days, it will be all hands on deck; both will be essential, and if it turns out that Hernandez plays the bigger matches, and The Berb is left to deal with the likes of Fulham, Bolton, Blackburn and Newcastle, so be it. To some, that might mean SAF doesn’t “trust” him for the bigger matches. But it’s those matches that probably hold the key to number 19. There’s no dishonor in being ear-marked for those matches, not this year, not with #19 on the line. And I am sure The Berb and most half-sane fans will understand that. More power to them both, I say.
Now we are being linked with Richard blooody Dunne! Right then
a blue captain
a blue reject,
a boozer
a dressing room agitator.
MMM sounds like United material all right.
Could someone post a decent thread!!!!!!!
Jeasus wept!
http://www.sundaymercury.net/midlands-sport/trashtalk/2011/03/23/liverpool-and-manchester-united-set-to-bid-for-aston-villa-star-66331-28390013/
What’s going on? 108 Million loss and not even a post? This blog is on a steady decline i feel. There must be a few similar ones about any recommendations?
Thanks but NO thanks
Scott is in Japan and has told no one, he is down to 7 grains of rice and his own urine to drink.
Ask Wakey.
339th!
Ya mickjk I have a great recommendation, find another blog buddy
Right then, The new topic is a lambasting of the pathetic FA
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/fa-slam-alex-ferguson-for-lack-of-apology-2250934.html
The picture at the top of the story. Nano seconds before a year changing moment. He has become good enough to be in the US first team. A second set back with injuries in 2 years that sucks.
The FA sucks!
The FA know FA and are worth FA!
@mickjk … there were posts on the loss, earlier in this thread. Bottom line: when accountants use the word “loss”, they don’t mean it like you or I would mean it when we say “loss”. What they do mean, we’re not really sure. Well, Wakey is pretty sure that he’s sure, but you could say the rest of us are at a loss to understand it. Some of us are fairly sure that it doesn’t mean the club is poorer by 100m, while others are equally sure that we are in fact being robbed blind and the world is about to end. There remains a sneaking suspicion that we don’t really know because, frankly, we’re not meant to, but whether that’s really the case or not, we don’t know. It does look, however, as though we won’t need to “do a Barcelona” and wander around High Street with a begging bowl to raise money for players’ wages, though whether the same can be said for janitors and medical staff and secretaries, is much less certain.
Hope this has clarified things for you, though I suspect it hasn’t. Cheers!
Hmmm this thread has gone on for long.
Its time to talk about Carrick
Against Bolton, Michael Carrick was man of the match.
Discuss…
There is a forum^
@AnomanderRake … nope, it was The Berb. He spent almost the entire match sulking on the bench like a spoiled brat who’s had his lollies taken away, then when he did come on (grudgingly), he had the nerve to stand there, absolutely rock still without moving even his eyelids, for almost 12 minutes even though he was offside half the time (simply because he couldn’t be arsed), before finally making the only move of the match that actually mattered, and even then he only did it because the ball happened to bounce right in front of him. Of the Insouciance! The nonchalance! The arrogance! I mean, if that’s not enough to win MoM, what is?
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6829448,00.html
Interesting article on Smalling. The coaching staff at United, want him to be more vocal. This can only be a good thing IMO.
WillieRedNut @ 12:52: “denton davey – I’m inclined to your way of thinking”
GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE !
“Former Portugal coach Carlos Queiroz has had his six-month ban lifted on appeal after allegedly disrupting an anti-doping testing session.”
sky . com
@StatesideAussie
Ha! Good Point… Long live the Berba love.
Regarding, Carrick, I think he is the best defensive midfielder we have now. the way he screens the back 4 is excellent. His tackling leaves a lot of room for improvement, but his interceptions and general reading of situations is excellent.
I think time as a central defender has helped him.
Berba looked a bit rusty to me on Saturday. But Im glad he scored. Stay ahead of that ogre who went to occupy that cave in the wasteland
AlphaRS @ 17:24: “The game is alot quicker in the Premiership. Could these guys really handle the pace? Can’t see united splashing that kinda cash on those players.”
Sneijder has already turned down UTD when CR7 was sold to TheVirus. De Rossi is one of the very best midfielders in the world – and has been for six/seven years. He was a permanent fixture on the Italian team that won the 2006 World Cup – and the youngest player on the team. For those who still pine for a “Keane replacement”, there’s no one else who fits the bill as well as De Rossi.
One other thing about any transfer involving De Rossi – don’t forget that UTD have a nice pot-sweetener in KikoTheKid.
Denton … As you know, I’m not one to argue for wholesale changes to the squad, but if I was going to buy two players, the first would be a goalie, and the second would be a combative midfielder who can win the ball, keep it and put it to good use. If de Rossi’s the man, and we can get him, then great. I like Sneijder too and think his circumstances may have changed since he turned us down (as have de Rossi’s, obviously) but I am also sure Sneijder would cost a fortune, plus he seems more in the creative/attacking mode, and I would like to see more of Rooney in that role.
Doesn’t our creativity come from the flanks? The point being, we wouldn’t need to spunk 30/40 million on a AM, when our wingers create the vast majority of our goals.
MickJK,
Same figures of last years accounts.Go to Red Cafe Net dedicated thread there youll be able to read till next month over 16,000 posts have fun.
@willie, yes that’s a good point. Maybe it hasn’t been so obvious this season because of injuries and other commitments that kept TonyV and Park out for so long, it seems we haven’t used width to the same extent that we normally would. It’s something that’s easy to forget when we think about how we’ve played this season. How much we have missed them! When we do have a full complement of wingers firing on all cylinders, our biggest need is to win the ball in the middle and get it out wide to them. It reduces the need to have a central attacking MF like Sneijder, and our needs in that role could be satisfied by Rooney tracking back to help out.
@Denton, @StatesideAussie,
Are you sure Sniejder turned us down?
I remember Robben saying that Sniejder loves United and was disappointed Fergie didnt go for him when he was looking to leave Madrid.
This was Robben talking before our champs league qf clash last year
StatesideAussie – Don’t get me wrong mate, Sneijder is a wonderful player, but I wonder where would he would fit in? If we reverted to a 4231 formation, that could work. I think more than anything else, United need a ball winning CM, rather than a creative midfielder. It all depends, on how the manager sets the team up next season. I can’t see him doing anything drastic to the formation. Our summer signings, will give us a clue, though.
new post and i was first
Now the FA has accused Fergie of undermining the “respect” campaign. i thought they already banned him. Why can’t they leave this man and our club alone. He said what needed to be said. do you want to jail him? WTF is wrong with the British FA?
@mickjk
Why would Scott waste time posting about the 108mill loss, it a figure we knew was coming when the Red Football Ltd accounts were published as the Red Football JV accounts are the P/L of Red Football Ltd + the PIK loan interest.
Even Andersred hasn’t bothered because everyone knew it was coming, its just the press who are short on stories while the international break is going on and its an easy target for them
@denton davey
Do you know for certain Sneijder turned us down? Its my understanding is that while there may have been an enquiry from us the price being quoted as over £20mill (A price they quoted Inter when they turned down their initial at the start of the window but they got desperate later on and went cap in hand to inter with an value below what Inter had previously offered who were the only team to put an official bid in)
theres no need to talk about sneijder and the likes signing for united, wev spent just over £50m (net spend), on transfers in 5 years. Whilst £450m spent on interest and loan fees. Granted yes wer top of the league and have won 3 leagues and a CL in that time. slowly but surely these fuckers are milking us dry. get them out to fuck!
It will be an interesting summer seeing who we replace scholes, VDS, hargreaves, Neville, Rio & Giggs with
Wakey – I do NOT know “for certain” that he turned down a move to UTD but that was the scuttlebutt a couple of years ago and that’s my point-of-reference.
I agree with StateSideAussie/WIllieRedNut about the priority for midfield – a mean, combative s.o.b. is the first order of business. There’s plenty of “creativity” in the front four – especially IF SAF evolves the current group into a diamond with Chicharito leading-the-line and WayneBoy as the attacking midfield link-man. The two best wingers – Valencia and Nani – are just terrific when they’re healthy and firding on all cylinders.
To me, the best of all possible worlds would be a FrontFourDiamond with a fair degree of inter-changeabilty like the “whirligig” of CR7/Carlitos/WayneBoy in 2008. That was great stuff and fun to watch. Backing that group with De Rossi and a fully-evolved Anderson would be a real treat – and stong, too.
Apart from a top-class keeper, the only real need is for a ball-winning “manster” – part-man/part-monster – in midfield. De Rossi would be even better than Schweini in that regard although I do think that Schweini is a more “talented” player but I still have faith that the left-footed Anderson can evolve into a very, very special player.
I know that we all hate there fucking international weeks but this one has come at a very good time for TheLads and the De Rossi rumour goes a long way to filling up the void !
Going back to De Rossi potential buy, I do agree that we need someone of (strong) character on the pitch. Rio has had that role practically since Keano left, but now with all his injuries, I don’t see him playing as often as he once did…hence Vida taking captaincy.
I personally like De Rossi, I do feel he has those strong leadership qualities we seek. Plus, as a player, he’s (IMO) better than Carrick and Fletcherino. Also, as some one mentioned before, we do have some players coming through the ranks that would look up to him.
The only problem I foresee, aside from the age issue, is: Would he really leave ROMA? most of us have read the article and feel those are pretty strong circumstances and reasons why someone would want to want out. However, I see De Rossi going the same path as TOTTI. Basically indulging on this love-hate relationship with fans, that is very passionate, is very painful, but at the end….they love it. It’s kinda like that unhealthy relationship some of have had with ex’s, where the bitch is crazy, but the sex is so good you won’t let it go, until you probably end up drunk in an alley or arrested for getting into a fight, or…..sorry, got a bit carried away there, but you get the point….
Bottom line, I don’t see him leaving his childhood club. Is too close to him. So, I don’t think we have a chance, even if we were interested.
De rossi will not leave roma. He is a roman through and through. I know a lot of shit has gone down but when push comes to shove he will stay.
@pmcelevey1
You are forgetting the bids we had accepted for Villa last Summer (34mill), Benzema the season before (~35mill) and David Silva the year before that (24mill but Valencia then pulled out after accepting). So its not like the money hasn’t tried to be spent on the right players, its just the right players haven’t been available at a price that SAF is happy with (Sneijder for example was no doubt too expensive based on what he showed in spain, mind you would have potentially been a bargin with hindsight)
@Wakey….to be honest, the only credible bid we did make was Benzema.
Villa? Forget it, it was always going to be Barcelona. That’s not even debatable since Sir Alex even said so. So why would he even make a bid for him? ….and David Villa didn’t care much were he went (obviously). Valencia just wanted a lot of money for him, which City didn’t mind splashing out, backed up with probably a hefty salary. Actually, there wasnt even a bid war for him.
In the case of Sneijer, he wasn’t sold for a lot of money. He actually signed for inter on a cheap transfer, I believe it was around 8-10mil, almost at the end of the transfer window (maybe even the last day)…and he has never shown interest in English football. He even mock it on a friendly argument in twitter with his friend Van der Vart, when both teams got drawn together on the same group.
I wouldn’t be too confident that the money is there. However, this summer would definitely answer that question as we need a senior keeper, and a replacement for Scholes / Hargo (Central Midfielder)
some extremely top class posts here mates..
and that link about FA cribbing coz SAF dint apologize..
fuck the cunts..Did any Ref apologize for the wrong decisions they gave?
Did FA took accountability for their mistakes?
Did FA apologize for the football fans (UTD) for giving such decisions by ref 2 games on the trot at OT?
Did Refs apologize for not sending off carrager?
FA is an ass licker..
bastards have made SAF pay hefty penalties and bans and the cunts want an apology?
NO..never..SAF will never do that and rather accept 5 more bans for it than bending to the bastards..
GGMU..BEL19VE
@ Wakey, until i see another big signing enter old trafford il reserve judgement. Bids being accepted is purely rumour, there was never a confirmed bid accepted for silva nor villa. Thats like saying united made a bid of £100m for messi, so the money is def there. One messi wouldnt leave barca, and two villa was never gona choose us over barca. £450m spent on interest in 5 years, theres your reason we arnt signing the big names FACT. Fergie is working wonders on small change
pmclevey – So how about the fifty odd million on Hargreaves, Nani and Anderson? Or the 30 million on Berbatov? The Ronaldo money doesnt even come into it seeing as we had no idea he would leave 2 years later.
yeah take your point on that, but investment has been pretty much non existant the last few years. Im not slagging Sir Alex off at all, hes brought in great players for peanuts ie Hernandez & Smalling. But united fans have seen their ticket prizes rise sharply these last 5 years, and i think they deserve a marquee signing.
id much rather we spent the £165m on players, than have it sit in a glazer bank account.
pmc – Yeah fair enough mate but I don’t go for that “we deserve a marquee signing” nonsense. I am a season ticket holder and do a few aways and it does not bother me at all that we haven’t spunked 60 million on Ribery or Bale etc. I trust in Fergie and he played a blinder with Smalling and Hernandez.
King Eric @ 23:53: “De rossi will not leave roma.”
You’re probably right but, hey, let an old geezer dream on.
King Eric @ 13:11: ” I trust in Fergie and he played a blinder with Smalling and Hernandez.”
Without a shadow of a doubt – right now, what would the “market value” be for these two – Smalling for 25 mlllion and CHicharito for double that ? Or more ?? I mean – sell Chicharito/buy TheLadyBoy !
I am in the minority but the flutter on Bebe still looks promising to me while the small sum spent on Mame Biram Diouf is probably going to be recouped when he’s sold on.
Apart from being quoted about “no value in the market”, SAF always (always !) talks about so-and-so having what it takes to be a “UTD player” which seems to me to be a roundabout way of saying that the scouting department looks very, very closely at a young man’s character – can you say anything good about Franck Ribery’s character ? or Emmanuel Adebayor’s character ? These two guys are both terrific footballers but to say that they both have feet of clay is being economical with the truth because they’re both serial-prats.
King Eric what would you like us to do this summer, what poistions do you think we need strengthening? Personally id like us to get a top class centre mid. I really like the look of Tunnicliffe, pogba & Morrison. But it may be a little to early for those three.
The English edition of Gazzetto della Sport (or whatever it’s called) has claimed that Barcelona have been making eyes at Giuseppi Rossi (Joe Red to all Mancs, at home and abroad). A new playmate for Gerrard Pique not named “Fibreglass” ?
Princelevey1 – Of course, a real quality keeper but that’s not exactly rocket science. Some reinforcements in central defence (Wesley Brown ain’t what he used to be, Rio is in danger of becoming a perma-crock, and RedNev’s train left the station); one player of real quality in central midfield (UNLESS WayneBoy’s future is there); and, perhaps, a left-footed winger. And let the youthful wannabes – Pogba, Morrison, Tunnicliffe, Cleverley, Welbeck, Obertan, Bebe, KikoTheKid, and so on – get plyaing time because if they’re good enough then they’re old enough. (By the way, I just noticed that that list of “youthful wannabes doesn’t contain any defenders).
denton davey – yep quality keeper, would have loved schweinstieger, think he would have added that class we will lose when scholes leave eventually. I really cant think of any centre mids that would do the business. I think we def need someone in there who can dictate the game the way xavi does for barca. And a creative central mid who can get us 10+ league goals. Rio worries me, because he seems to be injured alot, and when hes out and vidic gets injured, we lack someone to play with smalling. I hope J Evans picks up again, because he has alot of talent, and is red through and through
Princelevey1 @ 15:51: “would have loved schweinstieger, think he would have added that class we will lose when scholes leave eventually. I really cant think of any centre mids that would do the business.”
I’m a big fan of Schweini, too; BUT take some time to watch Daniele De Rossi in action – a real box-to-box “manster”, with a wicked shot, too.
I’m less hung up on a “creative” midfielder because any guy who is good enough to start for UTD has loads of “creativity” – take a look at Fletcherinho’s best moments or even Darron Gibson’s highlights. The front four has plenty of “creativity” so what I’d want is someone to add to the Anderson/Fletcherinho mix as part of a “2″ behind a “3″ and a “1″.
What Fletcherinho adds to the team is his aggressive harrying and another guy like that would certainly help to tilt-the-field which, really, is how UTD used to play ten years ago when Keane-o and Butt were buzzing. I still can’t quite believe how fast Nicky Butt went off-the-boil after the 2002 World Cup when he was Ingerland’s best player and one of the very best players in the whole tournament. He just slid down the drain – even Pip Neville has been able to keep playing at an EPL level but Butt just faded fast.