Tor-Kristian Karlsen has given his frank opinion of Bebe during his match for Portugal’s U-21 against England’s U-21, where, it has to be said, Tom Cleverley was one of England’s best players.
Karlsen is a top Norwegian football consultant where transfers and scouting are concerned, particularly focussed on Dutch football.
In the first half, Bebe played up front, and this apparently didn’t suit him very well.
He gave an “underwhelming first impression” in this half, looking “static” with “very poor off the ball movement and has a heavy touch” and “makes little use of decent physique.” However, it had to be noted that Portugal were poor and Bebe got very little service.
Still, it was reported that “he’s got a decent turn of pace.”
In the second half, Bebe was given a ‘free’ wide right role and this suited him much better.
There was a “very eye catching run where he picked up ball 30m out wide right, outpaced opponent, dummied another, which followed with an effort straight at goalkeeper with left foot.” In this half he showed “excellent pace, body strength and coordination in flashes”. Apparently his “raw talent is unquestionable but he has a poor tactical understanding.”
Bebe might be most useful to us “as an impact sub”. He can “undoubtedly cause some damage when his legs are fresh and the game opens up.”
In conclusion, he is “far off full fitness yet and needs a lot of coaching. He must up his football-IQ to become a Premier League hit. If only he’d been 17 or 18…”
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Tor-Kristian Karlsen’s assessment of Mame Biram Diouf
Man Utd News 24/7
the “raw talent is unquestionable but he has a poor tactical understanding.” sounds a bit like obertan as well. lets just hope they fuffill their potential
Hopefully he will improve over the next months. Don’t expect a lot from him this season.
Off topic, anyone has an update on Jonny Evans? Can’t afford to start losing defenders again.
He’s still raw atm, give the lad time.
Actually, the score center at sky says Evans has a groin injury.
Remember the kid has had no proper training before
Give Ole and the lads a month and he’ll soon pick up fitness and tactical awareness
Scunthorpe beware!
Good to see Cleverley, Welbeck and Smalling playing
Did Amos play?
nani with an assist….nice cross from the right flank…for portugal 1-1 cyprus…
portugal’s defence is clueless…down 1-2 to cyprus
Didn’t catch the game but pleased someone gave a report on it. Bebe will need time to develop, and will be given time at Utd. Nani assisted Portugal’s equalising goal just a few minutes ago, the Cyprus Portugal game is a cracker, 3 goals in the first 10 minutes.
Rooney’s getting some grief on talksport, some dickhead compared him to Heskey.
Happy for d small boys!
if only berba s still playing for bulgaria…would have scored a couple by nw…with those clowns at the centre of defence eng look shaky at the back
Cory just scored Northern Ireland, 1 up.
@willierednut
Had Heskey attempted the chip Wazza attempted five minutes ago, it would have hit the Wembley roof. Then again, what more could you expect from the knobs on talksport.
i watched the bebe. on the internet. looked average frist half like you said. an oka second half. i think what i said last nite i take it back. he will be an great young t taltent. but will fergie give time. nins is close to jioing united. on per contract. and wont be united player offical next summer well done fergie. talk sport aslo have the story. but i got inside information. dawson jiust got a bad i knock should be for sonme time
dela – You get a laugh listening to those balloons.
Some of Rooneys passing has been brilliant, involved in both goals.
I am fuming at the stick the media have been giving bebe I have boycotted every media I have refused to even read their crap. For me now the sports media has lost total credibilty, they are a bigger joke than the media who report about famous PPL. But the sports media have been a joke for years so thats always been establshed.
I might be biased, but Wazza has been the best player on the pitch so far. The English media will still probably be waxing lyrical about Defoe. Twats.
Young Cory Evans scored the winner for wee norn iron in a 1 nil win over slovenia, get in there my son.
Rooneys been instrumental in all the goals, but some will still say he hasn’t scored again.
willierednut – dont say it to loud the media may say he is another awful youth product
rooney made one mistake in the first half and they were booing him already, no rooney goals and they will still say rooney was crap
Rooney played well talksport have not got a clue.perhaps they would like him 2 retire If i was him i would not put up with all the shit he gets.
I know who talksport are
They are fucking aliens who want to take over OT
This shall not happen
: )
christ does talksport hire PPL who really do not know what 2 plus 2 is
And he just made another goal for Defoe, class from OUR Wayne.
king eric who is our reporter and our eye of ROM of everything talksport thanks mate keep us posted on the baboons that is talkshit, they really are the WUM of football. Like I said being a sports column or pundit is easier than switchin a light on
Chicharito is capable of running in behind just as Defoe has tonight. When will Fergie give him and Wayne a game together?
Glad to hear Wayne played well. Good news for us, he is slowly making a stride in his battle for fittness and return to form. Nani with another assist, 3-2 Portugal.
Some of Wayne’s passing in the second half was excellent. Had a hat – trick of assists.
Glad to see some positives in the review on Bebe
The Bebe deal is a lottery-ticket purchase with the odds against you. All good on any given Sunday, but as it stands we need players that can play football today. 7 mills is a lot of money when the money isn’t there. Posts here are starting to smell sour with phrases like “give him time” and “raw talent”. The bottom line is we need more developed product, and 7 mills is a decent down payment.
Instead of saying that Bebe wasn’t that great in the first half as a target man, lets say that Smalling was just too immense!! Its positives all around.
to be honest drew.. you are right.. smalling was all over him… smalling and clevery played well… welbeck is not united quality.. but clevery is CLASS already… should be in the first team for england in my opinion.
One thing I forgot to say for long time ,7millions buy out just according the media ,and the club no need to confirm ,I sure we dosnt pay that price for a unknown young kid ,2-3millions cash plus some add on package to 4-5millions are maximum ,hope one day know the true
i didn’t watch the game, no rights to comment. but about the 7M thing, lets not get too carried away with that sum.
Look at the boy from football perspective. He’s pulled from street soccer and thrown right onto to the biggest stage. Even Walt Disney movie can’t portray him as the super star right away. This is his first game in the lime light…there’s plenty of expectation, there’ll be plenty of nervous energy so it’s normal.
He’s got raw talent no doubt about that, with some good coaching, he can convert that into a great finished product.
Let’s have some faith, believe.
@Drew Vader
I like that thought of urs…
The Portugal U21 was crap plain and simple, lumping balls forward 90% of the game, the only thing i’m worried about is Bebe’s tactical know how. He needs a bit of coaching on that aspect, all in all it wasn’t bad for a players first cap. It wasn’t outstanding but then again there were only 2 outstanding players on the pitch – cleverly and smalling
@obertanthenewstar, Why? Why is Welbeck not Utd quality?
Welbeck isn’t United quality?
For God’s sake…
@Fze123
actually to be honest we cant really judge of that performance… it was the same as bebe.. no service from the midfield… all the big chances going to strurridge.. he put one away and fukd up the other 15… greedy twat but we shall see about welbeck… i think even diouf is ahead of him atm
@obertanthenewstar, Diouf? Are you taking the piss mate. Welbeck is close to being the finished article, all he needs is PL experience and he’ll be ready for first team football at Utd – with Owen possibly leaving next season I can see him taking his place. Diouf is far from ready, there’s lots of room for improvement in his all round play, no way is he ahead of Welbeck – who is much more talented too. Not Utd quality, my arse.
Mig — To be fair I stole that joke/line from someone at Redcafe….
LMAO Fze123… have u been watching the premier league mate?? what has welbeck done… made a few runs? few good dribbles??? does that make a player a star? if so then that would make darren bent the best player in the world mate… has welbeck scored a goa this seasonl? NO .. how many goals have diouf scored? diouf is a real poacher and has real good pace… welbeck is too sloppy.. you’l see mate.. i really dont know where you got welbeck is miles ahead of diouf.. that baffles me.. care to explain?
It amazes me how people can get such a crystal clear opinion on a player after his first game of the year!
Never mind making your debt in your national sides under 21′s playing with players you never played with before!
We can tell nothing from this game! We can observe his qualities and go from there!
Some people can be so fickle!
@Lobertanthenewstar
Wellbeck & Diouf both have tallent! Thats what i say!
Who is better Who will become better christ, were not fortune tellers! These kids need time and need experience!
They have potential, and whoever tries to dispute who is better who we should keep who we should sell is a fool!
Now at the end of the season after seeing them get games under their belt then a far more educated view could be given!
Making that call after 2 games of the season is crazy!
I could pick out 2 games Emile Hesky played in and told you he is for sale at 50 million and you probably would say thats a bargain! He is the best in the world!
@Buytheclub2012
With regards to the club paying the buy out clause, did the events not unfold something along the line that quite a number of top European clubs where taking notice, Real Madrid where sniffing.
our Scouts were raving about him, Carlos Queriez raved about him. Fergie knows Queriez well, and i think he himself has to take credit for the way our ronaldo turned out!. At that time Fergie ws faced with a decision and said, ok lets nab him before anyone else does!
The papers can right bollox that we could have got him for 125k, thats balls! We just didnt have him scouted then!… you cant scout every bloody player in the world! By saying that why didnt barcelona, Real Madrid and whoever not snap him up for 125k! Simply because of the same reasons as us! He was an unknown from a low down team!
Some times people have to look at things logicaly, Use some commen sence! Look at News paper articles and realise that they are trying to sell papers not provide accurate Sensible story lines!
@obertanthenewstar, where on earth did I say Welbeck is a “star”? So based on 1 League goal you claim Diouf is miles ahead of Welbeck? Can I please remind you we are still 3 games into the season. Welbeck hasn’t scored yet, so fucking what. He is at a weaker team, with a less experienced manager in charge, playing with semi decent players – all these are factors – I think Diouf may score more than Welbeck this season but thats not the point anyway. In terms of potential, talent, you saying Welbeck is not Utd quality baffles me. He is likely to be ahead of Diouf in the pecking order when/if they come back to united, it may not turn out that way, but I’ll stick by this prediciton for now. I don’t need to bloody explain anything to you if you have really watched Welbeck play. A more skilled, composed, intelligent and creative player. I only disagree with you about was the “Diouf is ahead” part, he clearly ain’t mate. If you have a problem with me sayign Welbeck is the better footballer, can’t do much about it. If I come accross as a Diouf-hater, I am not – I am keen for him to do well and come back here a better player.
I don’t really rate either Diouf or Welbeck as united class yet. I find Welbeck very, very frustrating to watch, and Diouf isn’t the finished article.
What I’d give for a Robbie Fowler or Michael Owen character to burst on to the scene and score millions…. Don’t let me down Federico…
@Fze123. its aight man. dey r two players with different unique qualities… Mame seems to show good awareness n positional sense while Danny tends to hold onto de ball more n silkier… dey might either be up to de task, which is our prayer, or might fall short..
@Drew Vader. well said man. its all abt de positives. de mere fact dat he was in de startin line-up for his 1st international assignment, n bein played as a solo forward speak volumes of his potential n wat de trainin staff saw in him.. even Rooney couldn’t complete just simple passes in de WC, an alien would hav thought all humans mad/daft ravin abt Rooney after watchin his performances… Bebe would be a world-beater!
It’s all Daily Mail horseshite… I can’t stand that paper and they are the ones giving it the Bebe chat.
On the subject of the fee, I’ve not seen anything reported on the breakdown of that figure but I would find it highly irregular if United hadn’t built in many clauses to dribble that money out to Vitoria. X number of first team appearances, x number of international caps, that kind of thing. I doubt they would just hand over £7.5mill on a hunch.
On the Welbeck vs Diouf debate, they are both good quality youngsters looking to make their mark. If I had to pick one right now, it would be Welbeck. He’s got a far better touch and awareness of the game… and has scored some great goals for us in the past couple of years. You would like to think that Welbeck and Macheda would be the frontline of the future.
7 mil for that?
Tut tut … Van Der Vaart anyone?
@ man united
Who is nins?
Van der vaart’s got potential but he’s too old. Plus the transfer deadline has passed. Plus we don’t work like that, we bring players through and show patience. Plus we don’t try to choose one of our youths over the other.
Wellbeck is the better player at the minute, by some distance. Ask Sunderland fans how he performed against the bitters. He changed the game.
He wil inprove.wen da presure is takin awy.Give him more time,i stil av da believe.OK.Roney is fantastic.I dont care wat pple say.Is da BEST player last 9it.witout his pace n passes NO GOALSSS…
@SirRyan. I think it is Sotiris Ninis, de greek wonderkid… typo error maybe.
U can’t teach raw talent nor speed. And its very hard to teach technique at that age. However its fairly easy to teach tactics and conditioning.
There is hope
I was 1000% more excited about Bebe when he had his dreadlocks. My greatest of hopes are that a.) Bebe turns out to be a top, top player along with Smalling and Hernandez so that the Manchester chapter of the Mesut Ozil fan club that popped up this summer are all put in their place and b.) That Bebe grows the Gullit hair back.
Legolas,
I find it incredibly frustrating deciphering all the de/dat/day’s and not completing your words it.s probably quite clever but man.
load of tush
fact is bebe is a great player in the making he needs
3 games this season againt rubbish teams like liverpool
blackpool
and stoke
and next season everyone will be screaming his name
simples