Nobody could believe it, including Kenny Dalglish, when Luis Suarez refused to shake hands with Patrice Evra ahead of United’s recent victory over Liverpool. Suarez quickly apologised for his decision to shun Evra’s hand and shocked everyone. It was the first time that Liverpool had accepted any blame in the whole disgraceful affair.
Continuing with Liverpool’s more typical approach, which has lead to the chant of “always the victim, it’s never your fault” being sung at Old Trafford, Johnson has claimed that it was in fact Evra who refused to shake hands. This is obviously a bizarre claim given that Suarez and the club released an official statement apologising whole-heartedly for the player not shaking Evra’s hand.
Then again, Suarez did reveal that Johnson allows the Uruguayan to call him “negro”, so we shouldn’t be too alarmed that the England right-back has such a relaxed view on racism.
“Evra was clever at Old Trafford,” said Johnson. “Because – I’m not being funny – but if I wanted to shake your hand I would stick it right out in front of me like that. But if my hand is down here, almost by my side, then it’s because I really don’t want to shake your hand. Luis didn’t shake his hand because Evra’s hand was down there. What else is Luis supposed to do? Would you go to shake someone’s hand if their hand is way down there by their side? Course not. But then, because Luis didn’t do it, Evra has pulled him back by his arm as he walked on, as if to say to everybody: “Look, I wanted to shake his hand and he didn’t…” He’s following Luis with his eyes as if to say: “Right he’s gone, he’s gone (past me) so I’ll pull him back now…” Evra probably stayed up all night thinking about how to do that. The whole thing was ridiculous.”
As if his bizarre paranoia wasn’t enough, Johnson went on to argue that when Suarez called Evra a “negro” last year, he didn’t mean it in offensive way. Despite it being a game between the two biggest rivals in the country, in which Suarez had already kicked Evra and hit him around the head, Johnson genuinely believes that Suarez repeatedly used the word “negro” as a “term of endearment”.
“What people don’t appreciate is that these things stick with people and it can ruin careers,” he continued. “He could get almost forced out of Liverpool. He’s a good lad and a fantastic player and all he wants to do is get on and play football. I can’t understand how people don’t get that in his culture the word “negro” or “negrito” is genuinely normal. Just because he’s out of his country he is not going to stop using his mother tongue. If we went to another country, we would use our slang, wouldn’t we? I can’t see why somebody can get in trouble for using his culture in another country.”
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Just when you thought it was safe to let the kids run out and play……. :’(
What a twat!
Oh dear fuck off with this already racistpool
YOURe seriously? Still talking about it xstill in denial all that’s required was a quick apology? And still one that wagon about whether he is a racist at home. Now he questions whether evra wanted to shake luis hands.of course imran sure he didnt want to but unlike luis he didnt force the situation … When can liverpool folks really start to draw that line whether they like it or not. Anyways i am cancelling my scb cards this week. Bad associations with this …
This insanity doesn’t deserve any serious words,
Johnson is just ignorant stupid lowest-class scouser.
Period.
Typical scouse player – still in denial.
Its taking these clowns a long time to understand that the words spoken by Suarez – mentioned as fact in the FA report – are offensive according to UK standards.
Poor silly demented racists.
What a tw@t Johnson comes across as.
Dragging Liverpools name lower and lower.
And just when we thought that’ll be the end of this sorry matter.
Man Johnson ain’t nowhere near black, just a uncle tom. If that was me I would never of wore that Suarez shirt, what a douche. Should stand up against racism not for it, I’m half black and White by the way. =)
Haha.
That’s be right.
Johnson is the “ignorant one”.
You guys are funny.
“if I wanted to shake your hand I would stick it right out in front of me like that. But if my hand is down here, almost by my side, then it’s because I really don’t want to shake your hand”
http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/res/286.$plit/C_71_article_1485612_image_list_image_list_item_0_image.jpg?16%2F02%2F2012%2007%3A57%3A56%3A963
THICK? or Just another scouser with NO common sense?
What the FUCK? I am absolutely aghast at these comments. Fuck off Johnson you shit no mark cunt. Why on earth is he , first off, siding with a racist when he is black himself but secondly opening up the whole saga again? You could not make it up. Who the fuck has he been blabbing these comments to? The propaganda ridden LFC station? Shut your fucking cake hole. To all intents and purposes the matter was closed then this clown says this. Its ok Glenn you drag the murdering bastards name deeper into the mud. I hope the media go to town on this cunt. Dogleash and that goofy scum bag will be gone in the summer. Can’t see the owners taking kindly to this.
Where is Fred?
Mike. Sorry for late reply but just got up to do feed. Yes I believe we are meeting there but I will need directions please pal.
Messi was sensational again tonight but fuck me how quiet was the Nou Camp? Full of fucking tourists like OT now not shouting merely holding fingers up for each goal scored. Talking of Messi there was a decent documentary on him on ITV4 tonight but was completely ruined by that fat bloated know all cunt Hunter who insisted on doing a running commentary every one minute. Acting like he had know Messi since he was a baby. Sycophantic cunt. Why is he SO obsessed with Barca?
Please fuck off Mr. Johnson. Sorry I meant, please fuck off you dumb ignorant twat.
What Johnson is trying to do is get into the Klan culture of Klanfield. I mean how would you feel if you were the only coloured person in a KKK club like Klanpool? only trying to stop Klu Klux kenny and his merry men coming around his house to have a little bonfire and BBQ.
After reina having to get a rascist advert pulled on spainish TV it just gets better and better,
I mean seriously so what if it is ok to call a coloured person a negro in Spainish. I don’t think that this should be tolerated and that the Spainish speaking world should start to take a long hard look at themselves and think is this really acceptable?
In South Africa in the 60s and 70s apartheid a was part of the goverment. Because it was part of South African way of life & culture still did not make it right or in anyway acceptable practice and rightly the rest of the world fought against it.
In much the same way the Spainish speaking world should take a long hard look at this and realise that in the modern world this is just not right n proper.
you could go around all the world cultures and find things that are not acceptabale in this country and but are standard practice else where and it should still not ne tolerated here.
One word comes to mind after this ‘released comment’, on a Liverfool’s website, by Johnson: IDIOT.
I could have used other more appropriate adjectives, however I will not lower myself into the gutter.
I will however ask one question, why did Suarez, Dalglish & the Liverpool Football Club collectively apologize?
Is Johnson now going to add his apology? Time for the F.A & E.P.L to step in with BAN’S for these idiots who are just thumbing their noses at the authorities AND JOHNSON HAS JUST DONE EXACTLY THAT, by calling the game into disrepute. Charge him, by his own words he is guilty, and convict him, fine him and ban him for the same amount of time as Suarez.
Nobody can move on when IDIOTS like Johnson keep muck raking.
God bless L’pool players for their persistence on dragging their club name through the shit. The more they keep bringing this topic up, the more embarrassing it is going to get for them. Keep up the good work Racistpool.
This only further clarifies how much of a muppet glen johnson is. Who does he think he is? inspector gadget?. trying to come up with his own idea of what happened when the evidence is clear.
Suarez is a racist clown and johnson coming up with excuses for him is mind baffling. I think when players join liverpool, they totally lose the plot and in turn, find it difficult to differentiate fantasy from reality. johnson, you’re living a fantasy.
Thanks Devil,
Let’s keep that picture handy. Keep him caught in his lie. It’s one thing to stick up for a friend or teammate, it’s another thing to get caught in a stupid verifiable lie. If he wasn’t sure, he could have kept his mouth shut.
Now we now what he is – he’s a dumb fuck who was willing to unquestioningly stick up for a known cheat (remember what he did to Ghana in the world cup), racist scumbag. Let’s put that in perspective – next to Johnston, people like John Terry and Tevez and Balotelli are fine upstanding individuals. He makes Stevie Me look like a saint in comparison. I could go on and on.
Actually, it’s worse than that. I used to like Liverpool. I loved seeing their comeback against AC Milan and Jerzy Dudek doing that rubberman thing during the penalties. I like Carragher. I even like Craig Bellamy! They have historically been a quality club as well as a good one.
But seeing Johnson and then that nasty little lie from Dalglish about Evra making accusations before and then seeing Kuyt supporting their narrative, my god how far has that club fallen. If you are black and live anywhere around the world, you cannot in good conscience follow that club. If you have black friends, likewise. They won’t be cleansed until they have gotten rid of all these people and we hear their management disavow this episode.
I have less problem with their fans. We all know that every club has a minority of scumbags that follow them and that they hurt the name of all their fans. But I guess that their fans could have put pressure on the club, but chose not to. They covered their eyes. It took the advertisers to catch the attention of their owners from 3,000 miles away.
My god, it’s enough to make you feel sick
Don’t know what you are all getting all hot and bothered about to be honest.
Glen has been asked questions by a journalist and he’s answered them articulately and honestly. You don’t have to agree with him but your ad hominem attacks don’t detract from anything he’s said. He’s been unwillingly dragged into the matter simply because he happens to be both Suarez’s team-mate and black.
If the likes of Paul McGrath are entitled to publicly express their opinion about him, Johnson is entitled to respond in kind, isn’t he?
I’m fed up with it but this has me absolutely raging. It’s fucking small time we shouldn’t even say anything about ti anymore Liverpool FC are just making themselves look stupid on their own they don’t need our help. UNITED
Hey Joe,
He said something in support of a racist cheating teammate and the very thing he said has been proven to be wrong. Oh and by the way his entire organization have pretty much been forced by public opinion to apologize.
I’d hardly call that an “unwilling dragging”.
Arse well in fletch.
Shame its not the top Football bog on the net Eh! pmsl.
Celebrating its 10th aniversary
Gazzer, I take your point but all you are offering there is your interpretation.
Glen Johnson has his own interpretation.
You don’t have to agree with it and he doesn’t have to agree with yours.
ohhh I say am of to comb my pubic hairs
Joe,
Here’s my last comment on this to you then I’m going to drop it – he could have just kept his mouth shut. Nobody wants to keep bringing this up – not United, not Liverpool. I’m sure they train their footballers how to say “no comment”.
I’m past giving people like him the benefit if the doubt. He hasn’t earned it. He spoke out in favor of a known cheating racist scumbag. He chose his words well. The picture speaks to the contrary.
Gazzer no kisses to Joe. you mean never. Och man.
Watch the papers tomorrow treat Glen’s comments with sympathy. After all we know that Liverpool is a great club with respectful fans and the ‘Knowledgeable Kop’ and they can do no wrong. All the scummy things that have happened in the past have been someone else’s fault.
Gazzer, I’m exasperated too that this has come up again. Perhaps both clubs would rather Glen hadn’t spoken out but on the other hand, he’s had to eat a lot of shit for no reason so fair enough.
If you analyse the handshake from bird’s-eye view, Evra’s hand is clearly positioned lower for Suarez than for any of the other Liverpool players. He does seem less willing. My opinion is that Evra wanted Suarez to offer his hand first rather than meet him halfway. So I don’t necessarily agree with Glen’s interpretation but I can’t say he’s wrong and certainly not on the evidence of the above picture.
To you, Suarez might be a “known, cheating, racist scumbag”. But the problem is, it remains unproven. So I am not inclined or obliged to agree with you. Unlike Busquet’s clearly mouthing “mono, mono” at Marcelo or Big Ron calling Desailly a “lazy n****r” down a mic, there is no evidence of Suarez racially abusing Evra.
@Joe
1) look at the video. the hand was there to be shaken. suarez decided not to. period.
2) an investigation took place, and sufficient EVIDENCE was found to find him guilty.
end of!
SAF speaks about the game tomorrow:
http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-Manchester-Uniteds-Ferguson-sees-tough-Europa-tie/tabid/317/articleID/245679/Default.aspx
Joe just because there is no concrete evidence that Suarez didn’t racially abuse Evra doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Why would Suarez change tack so many times if he didn’t think that being truthful was going to get him in trouble? Something racially motivated was obviously said, which lets not forget Suarez did admit to saying, the problem lies in his defence of his intent. Which in that particular situation seems enitrely uncharacteristic and ridiculous.
On the handshake issue, the bigger picture is that Evra decided to offer his hand whereas Suarez chose to ignore it despite obvious reluctance on both sides. Are you insinuating that Evra has to gleefully offer his hand out before Suarez will accept his gesture? Let’s not forget that an INDEPENDENT committee had deemed Evra the victim here and yet you expect the onus of reconciliation to fall on him?
Please grow up and admit that in this instance Liverpool, Suarez and Daglish have all conducted themselves in a manner that is unbefitting to their image and reputations. I’m not even going to drag up the past of Suarez to assinate his character but his behaviour at the handshake was childish and petulant. How people can see fit to defend him or attack Evra in all of this is beyond comprehension.
Ok according to Johnson if a country allows some culture then it should be allowed in others also!
So according to this genius if my country allows to make love openly in street then it should also be permissible in other country. Hey dumb how could this be possible?
And if you look at the video again it was clear he wasn’t saying negro or whatever to evra in a friendly terms. He was teasing evra so he was guilty.
I would just Suarez is a disgrace to Football. He may be a good player but he has also joined the evergreen list of CUNTS.
By the way Why are we still discussing about this topic. Johnson go and lick your mickey mouse cup.
This Glen Johnson is a fucking sellout. You are BLACK yourself and you would condone someone being abused on the basis of his color simply because you don’t want to lose favour with the racists who employed you. If Martin luther King and malcom X decided to act this way then we blacks would be NOWHERE today. Fucking idiot. Suarez WAS guilty of the offence. I’m not getting into any fucking argument with ANYONE. you wanna argue? go talk to the FA. fucking dumbass.
Oh really Johnson?
Fuck off..
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anyway lets start the day on a good note…good note and there is always King Cantona..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-DlfeIOZps&feature=share
Good day reds..
I can’t come to terms with this fucking cultur excuse. You have to behave as per the culture of the country you are living in.
In some countries you are allowed to walk nude in public places now if you are from that country and migrate to some islamic country or even India you will be punished for that as it is an offense and the cultural excuse won’t do any good.
Even law doesn’t consider ignorance as an excuse. Get over it now you scouse bastards for fucks sake.
Happy holi to all RoM people. A festival of colour and happiness.
Indian Devil
Hey you stole my post
. Just kidding. Absolutely agree with you.
Happy holi! Bhang,bhang!
Call me old school but I remember those days when players respected each other. But now every player is a hypocrite and when you have players like Johnson and Suarez then it is very much evident that there is hardly and respect,
But what do I know I am just a fan.
@Ash – lol.. I was typing on my cell after going th
@Johnson: YSB. End of.
Think Johnson summed it up perfectly myself………………..the man is 100% correct, well done son!!!!
Like son like Father
Tgandu- Teach your son some good thing otherwise both your son and father’s asses and penises will be kicked out of your both bodies
And we know who stole the toilet seats, Johnson..
On an unrelated note, I went to catch the LA vs Toronto quarter final, for one reason which was Beckham. It was actually a good night for football with almost a 42000 attendance and the crowd were fairly roused up for it too. Just wanna mention what a brilliant right foot Beckham still has, he was playing in central midfield orchestrating all the other goons from LA. He got loads of shit from the home crowd but played in a beautiful cross to equalise 2-2 in the 89th minute; really miss seeing him in a red shirt
Happy holi to everyone on ROM. Where ever you maybe hope you get bhang!
Like ash and indian devil said if you walk nude on the street in india you’ll be beaten up and not reprimanded! Johnson fuck off you dimwitted nutjob! Go lick your racists arse.
Tgan : what’re you on about mate?
I guess it has to be on a player’s CV. You have to be dumb in order to play for Liverstool. Figures.
What else can we expect from a scouse player, rejected by chelski… suarez needs to keep in mind that every country/region has its own culture, and if he can call his team-mate negro and gets away with it does not imply that he can do so to other players/ppl outside the team
Contradicking himself like the dick that he is.
1. Fair enough, evra’s hand may be a lil bit lower, but i agree entirely with Joe, he could have wanted Suarez to initiate the handshake.Still, he’s entitled to do so, being the recipient of the insult.
2.suarez should have taken initiative.why?even if that diver/cannibal/groin kicker did not mean that insult, he should apologise for his ignorance.you dont waltz into an another country and use terms from your country carelessly. PURE IGNORANCE.
3.Glen johnson, shame on him for shaming his race. might perhaps wanna take a leaf out of ferdinand’s book. Glen glen glen, you can change your club(meaning suarez might no longer be his teammate at some point), BUT YOU CANT CHANGE YOUR RACE. choose wisely you fool.
4.Why in the name of goodwill, would you stupidly, ignorantly want to bring up this ugly chapter again?What compelled him to rewatch the video in the last week, have the shows on the telly really gone that bad? last i heard LFCTV was entertaining. but perhaps he should have known wiser to reignite a dangerous topic, and bring about himself a torrent of abuse. A fool of a man.
5.LIVERPOOL FC. please, show some sense of decorum. maybe issue a statement to your boys to not discuss this topic? poor management and class, unprofessional for today’s day and age. understand the media, and avoid trapdoors like this.
lastly, FA, watchoo gonna do? last i checked, wasnt it slander to accuse someone of doing something they didnt? evra might be calling up his lawyers soon, FA, step in and show your worth of what you’ve got to offer at least.
All I have to say is…………….
No comment.
Raizzen,
well said buddy
Happy Holi to all the ROM…
@ Jeet,
Zada Bhang math pee yaar aaj raath ko match hai
Mancini says he wants to buy RVP , is this not tapping up .I thought there were rules against this or it to destabilise Arsenal befor they play them?
Even the black players at that looser club are racist! I hope that everyone he knoes starts calling him negro…
Should have stayed in school the lad and learned to think…. Almost feel sorry for the stupid bastard.
@Dazbomber
Of course not. Mancini and the next England boss never tap up players in public. Only Sir Alex does…
I got a chuckle out of those comments. He said RVP is one of the best strikers in the world along with Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero and Balotelli. Anyone missing?
Costas
I am surprised he didn’t mention Dzeko and tevez in the best strikers list. Mancini is as much deluded as his whole shitty colleagues. He thinks he is the best but deep inside he knows he is mediocre.
@Ash
His exact comments:
“We are interested in all good pla(aaa)yers,” said Mancini. “This is normal, but not only us. I think all the good teams are interested in Van Persie.
“I think Van Persie at this moment is one of the best strikers in Europe with Me(eee)ssi, Ronaldo and with Sergio and Ma(aaa)rio. I think he is a fantastic striker, but I think he will remain with Arsenal.”
Looks like they’ve opened up the new bottles of delusion at the Wastelands. Pretty powerful stuff…
Last season It was Rooney instead of Van persie. Next season it could be our Chicho instead of Van persie.
Man city are just there for short time. Even with so much money they are not able to dominate the league easily. Let them be deluded
Its already been said more than once even today but you gotta love everything to do with Liverpool and Glen…
He (in a typically liverpool way) thinks that it is down to Evra to initiate the handshake…of course he really didn’t want to shake Suarez’s hand, they guy abused him ffs – it was down to Suarez to make the effort although obviously not the case if you play for Liverppol where its never your fault.
Love the bit about not understanding why we don’t just accept Suarez’s cultural references….soo many options on this I am spoilt for choice, why don’t we just send Glen off to the Middle east on holiday where he can sit on a beach in Saudi pissed up getting off with his girlfirend – then maybe when he gets arrested someone can explain to him that when you go to foreign countries it is up to YOU to follow their rules – and not the other way around.
Another arrogant, stupid thick footballer who thinks he can do what he likes when and where he likes and has no respect for other countries customs…..please god let the Fa do something about this…
Costas- Plaaaayers, Maaaario, Meeeessi. Hahaha
what a roundy headed fucking twat glen the blunt instrument johnson really is nothing rattling around up there i guess thats what happens when you hava a football for a head.
fucking cock. Another brain wave for the prick you are black Suarez insulted a fellow Black footballer you fucking cock smoking clown. Speaking of scouse fucks had to laugh at Cylinder face fowler getting offered 100 quid to play for Blackpool fucking hilarious Hoover nose wouldnt be able to score much coke with that, i actually think its to much to pay the flatlined headed queer.
Wankini also talking shite the fucking cunt about the great strikers in the world he includes Biblodummy in the list what a fucking fag queer lycra loving stuttering dumbass italian bellend!
Strange how Fergie and Utd have been quiet about the HOMOPHOBIC comments of Macheda and Morrison???, thought he would want to say something on the subject………………..disappointed in him!!!
Paul Pogba walks out on Utd……………shocking loyalty!!!
You ought to understand one thing about the scousers: they will never let it go. They will keep repeating things like this in the media every once in a while, so that, some 5 or 10 years down the road, whenever someone brings the subject up, the average man will say “remember when evra made up the racism thing so Liverpool would lose their best player?”
When you repeat a lia a thousand times, it becomes truth.
I’d like to do my fly in the ointment routine again
I make no apologies for the following offensive comment I am about to make. I am clear in the way I am making it and I know I am making it. I am making it in accordance to the point of view Glen Johnson holds his perspective from
Disclaimer done.
Glen Johnson, you are a black bastard, a fucking nigger, a fucking monkey cunt who should fuck off back to his country and live like a slave just like your ancestors.
Right then, Glen Johnson will not mind that at all because obviously he doesn’t understand racism.
My comment is acceptable because he holds no value on a fellow black player being racially abused.
Therefore it is acceptable for Glen Johnson to be afforded the same treatment.
Is it not?
Fire away bullshitters I would so like to be tested
TG
Ravel is no longer a Manchester United player and Macheda is under QPR – and quite honestly he accepted his role in the offending tweet regardless of how that went down so why would anyone want to comment if he’s actually put his hands up and said he was wrong to say what he said?
The only thing Macheda is pissed off about is being charged more for the same crime in comparison to Nile Ranger and Ravel on the same subject – which is his right to contest
Making a mountain out of a molehill…
Mg no need for that shit were suposed to be better than them I know u were using it in a certain context but don’t use that kind of language we have red from all over the world on here and some people might take it out of context mate
When asked about Lionel Messi’s position in world football, FC Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola said: “Messi is among the greatest. Di Stefano, Cruyff, Maradona… And I add Pele, otherwise he’ll be angry.”
Good dig at Pele
MG- Please don’t spread racism. I know Johnson is a cunt but No need for racist abuse.
Yes well keano99:
That language should be used in this instance to mirror the remarkable and ongoing racism towards a black player that happens to play for Manchester United.
If people take it out of context let them – they must not therefore understand what I wrote.
I as always stand by my comments. Like I said before I abhor racism more than anyone – I quite happily fought it when it was being done to smartalex so I am in peace and will say it again.
For Glen Johnson to happily mock a fellow black player and take issue that a racist incident towards him by his fellow Liverpool player was deemed to be in his eyes justifiable and correct means that therefore Glen Johnson can be insulted in such a way because at the end it’s justifiable from my perspective
You reap what you sow
I’ll go further I’ll add John Barnes in there too for being abused as a black player playing for loser pool but sticking up for a loser pool player in defence of a racist act against a black Manchester United player
Wow the fucking hypocrisy, Barnes it seems has all but forgotten about bananas, maybe I should send him a truck full the fucking hypocritical cunt.
Kamshyaa
I am not a racist.
There are no buts
You have no idea what I am talking about
You say Johnson is a cunt? Yes well actually he isn’t – he is defending racism and a racist action towards a fellow black player – therefore I am in my rights to racially abuse him because he does not see this as racism.
He should accept this – because Patrice Evra should accept that he is a liar and a fucking fraud and that he should take this racist shit and live with it
No?
WANKER – nothing to add that should do it !
Liverpool are a Disgraceful club. They think after winning that Nothing trophy they are again back to best.Fuck off. They just want people to take notice of them and what better way to make a dig at the best club in Manchester united. I never expected them to take cheap publicity but They proved me wrong and took that.
I hope Scott brings a new thread. Getting sick of Suarez and his other racist friends.
Hi all, been a while since I posted, good to be back however. Work seems to be taking over my life at the moment but this moronic right back has forced my hand.
On a base level, what a disgrace Glen Johnson is. He is spitting in the face of all people across the world who fought for civil rights. Honestly, imagine what someone like Rosa Parks (doubt she follows football but you never know) would think seeing a black man say it’s ok to be called negro. Yes it means black in Spanish, yes I’m sure in some countries it is acceptable to say it in a friendly way blah blah blah. It’s not fucking acceptable here, it’s derogatory, and Johnson is a complete sell out. Oh well, I’m black and I’m being referred to in a racist way everyday at training, but I love the pity city and I love my 40k a week. Money over principle. This is being a mercenary at it’s finest. He’s betraying his fucking race and who he is for money and to be chummy with Luis “I look like a fucking monster, I’ll racially abuse you and worst of all, I’ll smile at you with these big fuckers” Suarez. Complete disgrace, but what can you expect from Victimpool FC?
Which brings me back once again to that cesspit of a city and football and casual racism club. I think the owners did pressure Ratface Dogleash into apologising etc.But it’s clear that he’s most likely still bitter about it, the club (not the owners) are bitter about it, the players are clearly bitter about it and the fans are approaching bertie levels of bitter. They gave the loudest cheer to Suarez during the Carling Cup trophy lift, even though he achieved the square root of fuck all in that game. Even Carroll looked more dangerous than him. That’s what I love about United, we don’t idolise an individual if he’s done something wrong. Look at Ronaldo, look at Wazza, look at countless players under Fergie. Look at Pogba for fucks sake. The pity city must be an awful place to live. Mourning chicken fetuses, racist abuse, thousands of people absolving themselves of responsibility. You feel like saying to them grow some fucking bollocks. My hatred for Liverpool has always eclipsed that of our other rivals, though Leeds run it close, but it’s increased over this whole affair. I fucking hate the place and most of the people. I’ve met the occasional decent scouser (can you believe that?) but usually they don’t live in the shithole. They help me keep faith that not all scousers are bad, but then you just run through a brief history of pitypool fc and you see some of the summy behaviour they exhibit. Did anyone else notice not only pro-Suarez/anti-Evra banners in the Carling Cup crowd, but they had mock Sun papers, banners saying “publish the lies before Thatcher dies”. Let it go for fucks sake. Seriously, their team was in a Cup Final, a fucking rare occasion for that small club, and before kick off they’re playing the victim. The crowd at OT were completely right “always the victim, it’s never your fault”. That should be their anthem instead of you’ll never walk alone. Because they clearly do walk alone. They are a fucking pathetic club. Dalglish with tears in his eyes after winning the Carling Cup. I’m pretty sure Fergie the last time he won it was already thinking of the next game. Such a difference between them. One is a ratfaced, bitter, geriatric fuck. The other is a classy, dominant, wonderful human being. Fergie has fight in him, but he fights for the right causes. Dogleash fights for racism. The sheer paranoia of the club. I’m starting to run out of words to describe it. Manufactured handshakes! Chelsea fans made us do it! Kangaroo court! Sky doctored the live images to make it look like Evra was the victim! The media is out to get us! The media favours United! The chicken fetus wasn’t actually a chicken! Evra massacred a baby and blamed Suarez!
That club fucking sickens me.
Another person who sickens me at the moment, Paul Pogba. Can’t believe that the lad wants to leave/is leaving etc. according to the papers. There’s no smoke without fire and his agent has been taking cuntology lessons from Joorabchian and Terry. Even if he turns out to be the best midfielder in the world, I’ll have no regrets if he leaves. As long as the lad is here, he’ll have my full support. But if he leaves for money, well that’s the kind of player I don’t want at United. That’s why I have a love/hate relationship with Rooney. But at least he’d proven himself. Pogba has two hours of first team football under his belt and is asking for ludicrous money. If the boy is smart, he’ll stay and be patient and will enjoy a long successful career (hopefully) with us. If not, then he may fulfill his promise, but will never be a legend, will never win as many trophies as he could with us and will always regret leaving. There is no other team, not even Arsenal, who have as good a track record at getting youngsters through than us. Not only that, even though Carrick has improved immensely this season (always liked the guy, seems humble and when he plays he plays, his problem seemed to be confidence) and Scholesy has been brilliant since he’s been back, there is a dearth in the depth, if not the quality, of our midfield. If the lad is so confident of his abilities, why would he leave for a team that has more depth in midfield? I don’t know much about Juventus at the moment, but I believe he has a better chance here than at the Old Lady. Anyways, mediocre rant over, work beckons. Have a good day reds.
MG- I never meant you as racist. My point is we don’t need to stoop down to their level. Liverpool are doing this on purpose. They want to take our focus away from tittle and concentrate on their silly arguments. They like city are small time that no other club can imagine to be.
We are Red United and are above from their level so we don’t need to be like them. Our club responds to them in a fine way by wining trophy’s
bobbycharlie1968 has said it better
Thank you
Racism in all forms is abhorrent – my comment was well thought about before saying it
Why did I say it – to show the ongoing stupidity of Johnson
Again I know what I said why I said it – If Glen Johnson believes that he knows what he is saying and why he is saying it – then look at it like this – what is he then in comparison to Evra?
If Evra is a black bastard – so is Johnson – so is Barnes – correct?
That’s my point and I have nothing other to make, make conclusions and figure things out yourselves people – LFC have put racism into the one area it should never go into – the fucking grey area where everything becomes confused.
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Kamshyaa
I know you mean nothing of the sort read my last post where I explain it better
Yes you are totally correct we have no need to be like them – it’s a fucking disgrace period that in todays world shit like this can happen and worse spread
Disgusting
I totally agree with your point that they are trying this to get us of our guard and win the premiership
Let’s hope we win out
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Bobbiecharlie1968
Excellent post.
I’ll just say this about the Liverpool defense that it’s acceptable in Uruguay and so Suarez should be excused: if I walked up to Suarez today and threw a shit ton of multi-coloured poison in his face and mouth and told him it’s what we do in my country, he shouldn’t get upset?
What if a person from Afghanistan or wherever bans his wife from driving because that’s allowed where he’s from?
They would be crucified.
Sadly my grand-dad was racially discriminated against in Manchester, so he doesn’t like the city very much.
Racism is horrible, wherever it happens. Liverpool need to acknowledge this and move on, like Evra has.
I posted something yesterday in which i said i remember John Barnes often referred to as a Bounty or coconut by many black people who felt he failed to stand up for black people in a correct manner.
A black man, uncomfortable being black who wishes he was white.
Glen Johnsons appalling defence of Suarez, his unbelievable acceptance of not having a problem being called ‘negro’ raises that all over again.
Disgraceful.
This is so stupid.. we expect it from a Liverpool player… but come on really?!?!
Your bloody team and teammate already apologised.. that cunt Suarez came out and said he should have shook Evra’s hand…
But your right Evra is super clever… either that or he used a Jedi Mind Trick lol
Why not concentrate on the game , so fed up of that Liverpool player
ON THIS DAY: In 1941, in ManUtd’s
last home game before Old
Trafford was bombed, both
J.Carey and J.Rowley scored a
hattrick in a 7-3 win.
Liverpool and its players will do anything possible to be linked united the last few years its been them miles behind us in the league and there doing anything they can do off the pitch because they cant do it on the pitch
BobbyCharlie1968
Mate missed your posts, great stuff!
every word correct: IGNORANT – JOHNSON … probably ´SCOUSE´ is missing (even though it is synonymy to ´ignorant´!) / poor racists there, nothing more then rasists – manager, players, fans = all racist bastards!
next topic, please, do NOT want to waste my / our time with smthg THAT AVERAGE (at best!) like them
@MG
Johnson will never understand what racism really is mate. When asked about McGrath’s critisism of him for wearing the Suarez t-shirt, Johnson actually accused McGrath of racism because he singled him out!
So you can go ahead and hurl any racist insult you can his way. The guy has his head in the sand and his case is sadder and more pathetic than Dogleash and even Suarez.
Gormee, I’m glad you admit there is no evidence.
Because what that means is all you’ve offered there is your own subjective interpretation. Without evidence, that’s all anybody can offer – including the FA commission that found Suarez guilty.
You interpret that Suarez’s defence “seems uncharacteristic and ridiculous”. Presumably because it is inconceivable to you that a man could refer to another man’s race, in a confrontational situation, without abusive intent.
In our culture, with our legacy of racism, that’s reasonable. Is it reasonable to apply the same standard to men from all cultures – especially those with no legacy of racism? You might interpret that it is, others might interpret that it’s not.
As for the handshake, I’m not insinuating anything. I don’t personally agree with Johnson’s interpretation but some seem to be under the illusion that the footage proves him wrong.
According to Evra, he’s been racially abused. His reluctance to shake hands is understandable. According to Suarez, he’s been done an injustice. His refusal to shake hands is also understandable. What’s the problem?
johnsons statement is almost as embarrassing as the suarez t-shirts
Costas
Maybe he needs a course in kebabology to get it
Evra and United have moved on, but Johnson obviously have not and wants to have the last word. He is also trying to ingratiate himself to some people in LFC. What kind of person is he? I hope the FA investigates this.
I cant fucking believe this shit.
Is johnson living on the moon these days? is this man actually for real!?
i hope he dies the fucking retarded nobhead.
So Evra may have lowered his hand..But Jonhson cant seem to realise Evra still offered it and if suarez had done same it would have been then called a handshake.. Also what did he expect evra to do.. raise his hand, maybe smile and give suarez a big hug and risk getting one of his ears bitten off?
Ha really loved watching it when suarez makes no eye contact with anyone in utd team except for Rio.. Like he can’t fukin beleive it when someone has just refused to shake his hand..(thought his gum shield wud fall out!!) And If it was Evra that refused to shake his hand so Johnson well why the fuk didnt he stare at him to in disbelief also instead ignoring him..
And so speaks uncle Tom. .
There was never a case of Evra goading Suarez into not shaking his hand. That’s why the racist apologized the next day.
Johnson obviously is such a brainless sheep that he didn’t realize Liverpool weren’t lying anymore. On that matter anyway…
Evra up all night working out how not to shake hands and make it appear he wanted to shake hands whilst not shaking hands…… Fuck me . Worthy if the Marx brothers. Fucking uncle Tom . Disgrace to any black person .
“I can’t see why somebody can get in trouble for using his culture in another country.”
Here’s my analogy…
We drive on the left hand side of the road here in Britain.
If I go to France, Spain, Italy, basically most other places in Europe, I can’t do that.
If I did, I would cause an accident or be pulled over by the police.
Either way, my excuse of, “well that’s the side of the road we drive on at home” wouldn’t wash.
It’s the same here!
Costas- it’s possible Johnson is making such a defiant stand to justify his own embarrassment due, in part to his support ie wearing the t shirt. He knows his credibility not just in the black community has been questioned and seeks approval. Undignified
Nothing much between his ears. This has been known for years. Uncle Tom is a strong word to use, but you can see the point people are making.
Who’s Uncle Tom?
Dear Mr. Johnson
It’s in english culture to have pre marital sex and all. Try following that culture in Dubai.
@Redbilly
Could be. And the way to do that was to accuse Paul McGrath of being racist towards him. Like willie said, the guy doesn’t have a lot between his ears. I am not familiar enough with certain subjects in order to call him Uncle Tom, but if he’s ever racially abused, his next move should be to bend over. That’s what he deserves.
Apparently snubbing someones handshake in Uruguay is just a term of endearment though.
The Glen Johnson interview, original format.
“Yessir massa, ahs ready to answer dem tings yous ah waitin on.
Dat Evra, hes a bad man fer disrespeckin de massa sir
Aint but his place offerin his hand to massa Sorez
An massa Kin Kenneez isa good man fer hims a feedin ma folks and
gis us a roof oer ahs heads.
Ain no call fer Evras talk, heez gonna get uss a whuppin fer shure……….’.
And so it went on.
Glen Johnson, stuck in a time warp.
This may have been mentioned already – Suarez can’t be a racist because he has a black grandfather, but McGrath (who IS black) can be?? That’s Liverpool logic right there…
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/126/314/3cd8a33a.png
Wastoid- that’s scouse logic.
@joe:
if u still bringing about cultural difference on this affair, PLEASE answer some question/ about “cultural difference” on this site. But If u couldnt, wouldnt then again please shut ur mouth up.
Oh Johnson u’re an IDIOT! Utter embarrasment for England!
TheCANTONA, that doesn’t make much sense.
Joe your club apologised for Suarez actions so please tell me how Johnson can come out with this drivel. Actually Liverpool’s players seem to enjoy coming out with stupid comments as in the reserve team player who insulted Americans on the anniversary of 9/11. Personally I firmly believe it is a ploy to gain publicity. I have always believed that this obsession with publicity is a form of mental instability. You may believe that Johnson’s comments are really clever. I do not thankfully My upbringing was rather better than that.
Let’s not feed the troll. And by troll I mean the unknown footballer by the name of Johnyson.. or Johnson or whatever his name is.
Yes Hitler was also right in his opinion because he also had a lot of support
What’s the problem?
Fucking pathetic Joe
To say one is aggrieved through wrong actions being justifiably defensible is fucking abhorrent
You lot were more fun some time ago now your fucking deluded as well as shit
Yes morality has no cause for concern because Anfield has its doors well and truly locked
@Denise Williams, I don’t think Johnson is either seeking publicity or trying to be clever. Surely you and your upbringing are open to the possibility that maybe Johnson genuinely believes Evra is more guilty than Suarez is and has no problem saying so to a journalist during an interview?
MG – I appreciate that you treat Suarez’s guilt as a matter of fact.
That’s what a guilty verdict does.
Equally, you should appreciate that others don’t treat Suarez’s guilt as a matter of fact.
That’s what a lack of evidence does.
If Evra and Suarez felt aggrieved, both their actions were understandable.
Guess we all can call him negrito Just make sure its said in a nice way
The FA investigated thoroughly, led by very capable barristers and found Suarez GUILTY.
No lack of evidence.
In fact, the only lack of evidence was anything to back up Suarez’s claims and those of the Klanfield staff overall.
Always the victims, never their fault.
Joe – two simple facts to remember in the Suarez, Evra case. Suarez admitted to using the word n word at least once, he also admitted it WASN’T a friendly confrontation. Conclusion = racist insult. Forget all the rest if you like.
Johnson is really making himself look a pleb. If someone insulted him, would he not be a little tentative in offering his hand. There is no question Evra put his hand out, even if a little reluctantly. There is also no question Suarez had no intention of shaking Evra’s hand. He looks right past Evra, doesn’t offer his hand in any way. It’s ridiculous anyone can even try to justify Suarez’s actions and Johnson will get more stick than most because he’s black. That’s not because everyone else is racist, it’s because we all assume Johnson has probably suffered racial abuse himself at some point in life, so should understand where Evra is coming from.
Oh here we go again. Old ground thats been covered and closed. Boring.
Perhaps Liverpools PR Dept is urging the club to join the any publicity is better than none train of thought ? It works for Citeh .
@It’s in my blood – it doesn’t matter who investigated or who oversaw the case. There. Is. No. Evidence. If there was, we’d have seen it. The incident took place in a stadium full of cameras and microphones.
@ Shebangsthedrums – I appreciate that you might consider Suarez guilty of racial abuse because he admitted to calling Evra “black” once in a confrontational situation.
Can you appreciate that in Suarez culture and language, it might well be possible to call Evra “black” in a confrontational situation without abusive intent?
Even if Suarez version of events were true, he could still have been found guilty under the civil standard of proof. But he wasn’t. Which is where the whole case was fucked. The only substance the commission had to work with was what Suarez admitted to saying but instead, they based their verdict on Evra’s sketchy, equally inconsistent version.
Joe
Yawn….i understand son, not true eh?
Not your fault eh?
No evidence eh?
Ok son, ok.
Don’t upset yourself anymore.
We understand.
Wiuru
Haha!
Joe – that argument doesn’t stand when the cultural experts say, used in an aggressive or unfriendly way, the term Negrito is offensive, even in Uraguay.
Also, I’ve taken the time to read the report and Evra’s version was not inconsistent. The only inconsistency that you could possibly be eluding to was the fact Evra said Suarez said the word 10 times. This was said in an interview directly after the match, not in any official statement. Evra also admitted to saying that, but that is was more a figure of speech rather than a fact. I’m sure you’ve told someone something a “million times” or an equivalent outrageous number out of frustration because you’re annoyed.
I can see, you’re obviously blind to any real facts about this issue and seeing it merely from a football/ Utd versus Liverpool perspective. This is old ground and it’s boring now, let it go.
@gazzer
“…next to Johnston, people like John Terry and Tevez and Balotelli are fine upstanding individuals. He makes Stevie Me look like a saint in comparison. I could go on and on.”
Hahahaha!!! Made me laugh. you shpould consider stand up
And my day just got better.
City 0-1 down.
Joe
Patrice Evra is a black bastard
He is because he was racially abused
He is a nigger, a Negrito, a monkey whatever
Whichever terminology you use he deserves it
Suarez is correct in his country its acceptable to use this behaviour because it’s cultural
Liverpool are right to protect Suarez because they have an inferiority complex in comparison to United
Liverpool supporters are right to demonise Evra because he deserves it by all means
Evra is at fault because his skin colour says so and because he wears a United shirt the most loved and equally hated shirt in the world
And if you are a white man you are a white bastard and if you are black you are a black bastard
It is simply because I am not guilty in this matter of fact
But you are and all those that follow your fucking mantra
Fuck off enjoy that
shitty lost 1-0. as happy as I feel i want them in the competition so they are stretched and incur a few crocked players.
@Shebangsthedrums – If you still think Suarez used the word “negrito”, you can’t have read the report very attentively.
What you say is correct though – the linguistic experts’ evidence was that the language used by Suarez could be either racially abusive or not depending on the context. From that, the commission found that because the situation was confrontational, it must have been racially abusive. But why must it? It is perfectly normal to use descriptive nouns in the context of a confrontation, isn’t it? The commission have extrapolated the linguistic experts evidence from the context of the language Suarez used when he said the Spanish word “negro” to the context of the whole situation.
There are several inconsistencies with Evra’s evidence. The number of times he alleged he was abused is one inconsistency. Another is the meaning of the word he alleged was used and another is how long it took him to make the initial allegation. If the findings of the report are accurate, it wasn’t until the fifth time Suarez abused Evra that Evra reported it to Marriner and when he did report it, he alleged it was a different word to the one he finally settled on in his statement and he made no mention to Marriner that it had been used repeatedly.
I’m not blind to any facts here. There aren’t enough of them to be blinded by.
You sound like some slimy criminal defense lawyer…
@Wastoid – I’ll take that as a compliment.
Right, I’m off. See you all another time.
We call them Uncle Tom’s
Blinded by delusion and the fact that wrong is right because it’s a point of view which creates a following beyond doubt
Perpetuated by the belief that the accused is flawed that no one can prove apart from he alone the level of racism
Racism is racism bigotry is bigotry
One apology it was and an acceptance to do better when speaking to a fellow professional in such a way
But the arrogance is frightening, Suarez Liverpool Uruguay etc etc have fed the lie and it has come to this.
Liverpool still talking United let it go long time ago – Liverpool are inferior to United this is why they carry on thinking to be superior, yet morality has been passed over this time
Blur the lines Joe you are a fucking con man racism exists where it can be allowed to breathe you adequately let it breathe in grey cannot have the fucking balls to have it one way or the other
It’s bastards like you of whatever colour you are that are a fucking evil to society
Believe the lie 19
@MG – all the faux-moralising in the world won’t make up for a lack of evidence.
Joe
All your racist actions won’t make up for the simple fact that Patrice Evra was racially abused
You carry on the lie by keeping the argument going by keeping the conversation in the area where no one can make a clear decision
It’s okay, it’s fine, you are doing a brilliant job
It’s just like those people who cry foul that United milk Munich and those that say Liverpool had Hillsborough coming. by continuing your pathetic stance you are clear that racism can be defended because Evra is lying in his version and Suarez is justifiable in his version.
Your shallowness is such that on the spot you cannot rip apart and answer the truth because it stands as it is
Your one liners as as fake as your clubs standing on racism
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@MG – It’s not a fact that Patrice Evra was racially abused and my conscience is clear.
Let’s leave it there.
What do you hope to accomplish here? Do you really think you have changed even one person’s opinion on this matter? You are trying to sound rational and logical about the situation, but how rational or logical is it to come on a United supporter’s site and regurgitate arguments we have all heard ad nauseum? Show of hands. Have Joe’s posts changed anyone’s opinions one iota? And you just keep on trying to get that last word in don’t you?
PS – If you consider “slimy” to be a compliment, well that says alot …
Joe you have really angered me now I have tried to be tolerant of your deluded club and it’s brainless idiotic players really I have but as I have said many many times cultural differences do not come into this at all. Question where did this take place the UK or Uraguay? Answer it took place in the UK so he has been tried according to our culture and our beliefs so if you scousers do not like this then beggar off to Uraguay. Personally I wish you would then we wouldn’t have to hear you whingeing that it is everybody elses fault other than your own. Johnson is a publicity seaking tosser and another thing one of your former players Tommy Smith condemned Suarez for his actions. I suppose we can all expect hiom to be inundated with vile death threats and abuse from your fellow scousers just as they did to Stan Collymore. I also expect you to come on here praising the offenders. However I have a better idea go back and join in with you idiotic mates and do not darken this website again end of.
Joe
It’s not a fact that innocent people died in the Iraq war
It’s not a fact that Palestinians are denied a homeland to preserve a sick status quo
It’s not a fact that racism is finished
It’s not a fact that your words make any sense
You want to leave it there because you can’t accept that I am challenging your rubbish
I could quite happily carry on, you keep on blurring the lines of what is real and what is not and I am standing up for the truth, you still cannot rip my words apart because you deflect attention from what you cannot stomach as reality that you are denying yourself.
Believe the lie
You only have to let people like you to carry on to let something become vile and vicious and I for one refuse to do that
Again if you come back you will give me a line deflecting all that is thrown at you because your fucking arrogance and ignorance has eaten your fucking moral code.
Fucking sick, football fans as football fans to our teams full stop.
But you stick up for racism because you are trying to protect what cannot be protected and you know it
Go back to the beginning of it all
It happened – Suarez should have apologised to Evra and should have made it known that it was unacceptable
Buy your boy didn’t because he’s a racist and racists will not apologise for their ignorance.
And then everything else happened – fuck off
@Wastoid – I don’t know if I’ve changed anybody’s mind or not but at least one of you has agreed with me that there was no evidence to prove Suarez guilt. That’s a start.
@Denise Williams – if cultural issues had nothing to do with it, the commission wouldn’t have called linguistic experts to give evidence.
@MG – you’ve challenged nothing and will continue to challenge nothing until you can provide evidence that Suarez was guilty.
Yes Joe the FA called linguistic experts in purely to find out what your pathetic excuse for a football club was whittering on about. However you lost on those grounds too yet still we hear the age old refrain “IT IS EVERYBODY ELSES FAULT WE ARE “INFALLIBLE”. So as I said cultural differences do not come into it as found by the independent commission. However we can now expect you to rewrite that report as you have everything else. Go back to your other no marks and STOP WHINGEING.
How many games how much a fine?
Fuck off you racist fucking cunt
@Denise Williams – are you sure you know exactly what Suarez was found guilty of? The linguistic experts’ evidence was that Suarez language, according to his version of events, WAS NOT racist and that Suarez’s language, according to Evra’s version of events, WAS racist. The commission didn’t reject Suarez’s version because they rejected the cultural difference defence, they simply chose to accept Evra’s version.
Joe
Look, I support Liverpool but I can’t defend the fact that Suarez said Negro because he did and regardless of what he meant by it it was wrong.
However, you can defend Johnson over his stance with McGrath easily enough. This is the same Paul McGrath that was happy to defend Ron Atkinson calling Desailly a lazy fucking nigger by saying he was old school and definitely not racist. He was also happy to play in practice games at Villa with Dalian Atkison, Regis and Yorke. Games that Ron Atkinson called Coons v the rest and laugh it off as a bit of a laugh ” no one was offended” apparently. However, Paul McGrath seems to have major issues with a few t-shirts and a handshake or lack of! Staggering really.
@Mike – had Suarez been found guilty based on the language he admitted to using in the context he admitted to using it, fair enough. But he wasn’t. Infact, the linguistic experts corroborated that it wasn’t racist.
So if you think the language he admitted to using in the context he admitted to using it was wrong, fair enough. But not even the commission that found Suarez guilty thought that.
Agree about McGrath.
@ Joe. I agree it wasn’t racist, Evra said he didn’t believe Suarez was being racist, but it wasn’t necessary at all. Then again it wasn’t necessary for Evra to say what he did to Suarez. Frankly I think they all need a bit of perspective.
Oh funny a United blog taken over by Liverpool supporters debating the purpose of racism?
Evra didn’t believe Suarez was being racist but he used racist language?
I mean can you lot make it up any further?
Joe and his bullshit is forever never ending – his deluded belief that Suarez used racist language that was used against Evra was justifiable under context and perception culture and reference is now purely heartbreaking because that racism was not racism from when Suarez said it but was racism when Evra interpreted it. Wow just wow – you both are further blurring the lines – fucking hell be proud of yourselves.
In doing so both of your points of view are so fucking warped it’s unbelievable you both carry on the lie.
Racism justifiable because it’s acceptable in a culture then is abhorrent – what makes it absolutely worse is that neither of you are then of that culture creed or race that Suarez is. This is what is wrong with the world – if you believe that everything that is wrong becomes acceptable then what you are saying is that
everyone and everything can justify itself and it’s actions as long as they can be defined by ones belief system or framework.
None of you are very intelligently intellectual then on the way history has panned out and how in front of our eyes the present is being played out. As long as one side, one point of view created happily sits within boundaries of acceptance within a group people or race etc it should thrive and even grow to breathe as THE view of consideration.
Either then you believe that racism is justified against Evra or it isn’t – what makes it worse is that black players like Barnes and Johnson are tagging along for the ride because it’s about Liverpool – it isn’t that’s where you have lost any sort of morality.
It’s not about Liverpool , it’s not about the football club, why then do you get worked up about Hillsborough?
Is it not correct then that powerful people told lies, hid the truth to demonise 96 innocent lost lives? Is it not the case that the truth was manipulated in order to feed a message that what the 96 did was of their own making?
If you both deny this you therefore are hypocrites – by saying that one point of view can be protected can be harnessed and nurtured in order to drown out the other point of view which stands only to find honesty and justice then this is a sad indictment on your thinking process and more importantly your value process.
What makes it worse is that a manager who once had the seat of power cannot come to terms with a world that has changed – he too has led the lie and been the subject of ridicule because of his actions.
Yet you are happy to carry on supporting it – but I ask – this time was it right?
For you both of course it was – because a simple act of racism became something much ore – it became personal allowing the fucking likes of you to carry on dragging Evra through shit.
Hang your heads in shame and imagine then would Shankly and Paisley in the same situation have done the same?
And here is some last perspective for Mike – you stand in your workplace and someone ridicules you with racism – you will just stand back right because you bought some perspective into matters?
Fuck off the both of you and take your fucking racist club where you want – you both are full of fucking unbelievable shit – what you think is debatable is just your fucking pathetic excuses nothing else makes any sense – your conscious is clear up to the point where you believe Evra is guilty too
Fuck off seriously fuck off
Joe are you for real the linguistic experts agreed that Suarez version of events was highly unlikely. Further your case was further damaged when Dirk Kuyt went before the FA panel and lied to them and before you enquire how kuyt lied I will enlightn you. This will prove that unlike you I did take the trouble to read the FA report not just once but three times. Kuyt informed the FA inquiry that the referee never mentioned to him there had been an allegation of racist language and he further informed them that the referee had instead told him that Evra had said that he(the referee) had only booked him because he was black. TThe referee and his assistants categorically refuted this conversation ever took place plus there several witnesses who backed the referees version. where as not one person backed Kuyt’s version. Yet Liverpool FC had Kuyt’s version plastered all over their website with banner headlines as if this was proven and accepted fact which surely even you must realise it wasn’t. Also Dalglish and Damien Comolli could not verify Suarez statement to the inquiry as was pointed out in the report. See I did read it. See how weak your arguament is now can you?
@MG – I don’t identify with your characterisation. I am not somebody who would defend Suarez if I believed him to be guilty. I neither believe him to be guilty nor not guilty.
And why?
Because. There. Is. No. Evidence.
@Denise Williams – the linguistic experts were not called to pass judgment on the case. They were called to analyse both Suarez’s and Evra’s evidence as if it were true. And they corroborated both versions. It was the commission – not the linguistic experts – who then made the judgment on which version they believed.
You shouldn’t need to be told this – it’s all there in the report that you’ve read 3 times.
Nobody is disputing that the evidence submitted by Suarez and Liverpool was inconsistent because it was. My argument is that the evidence submitted by Evra and Manchester United was equally inconsistent.
Those who are racist live in the delusion that there is no evidence that they are racist
Those who perpetuate racism the filthy evil act of inhumanity live in the world of grey in the middle where they believe Suarez is not one thing or the other because here you keep your lie alive by claiming Evra is equal in guilt to Suarez – you further your agenda by furthering your interpretation by having none at all because equally you believe Evra is to blame for his reactions based on Suarez’s actions.
You claim to be clever but you are not, you have said the same thing thinking you have any sort of ground to barter on, it doesn’t matter any more your lies can still be broken
Your world is where people live that claim no responsibility – your assumption that you cannot make a decision based on a clear cut event is symptomatic of the world we live in.
Again Hillsborough was a clear example of law enforcement/government living in the middle – not accepting the truth and denying all responsibility of there own actions culminating in a movement for justice
You have nothing on me – what then suited you is acceptable to relieve your own pain – rightly so since it affected lot of my friends at the time – yet you do not offer the same stick because as now as mentioned United are not inferior to Liverpool any more
Your tone of voice is insulting because you can’t stand the fact that Liverpool are just shit now and unfortunately United just keep on carrying on
It’s okay it’s fine – it doesn’t bother us at all – it’s your loss – you cannot even comprehend to speak about it because it disgusts you that you are wrong – these are all psychological detractions, barriers that you have put up to deal with it – because no matter what – your actions are based upon a grievance that the situation that has manifested itself is wrong because at the end Suarez got done for being a racist which you can’t live with.
Those who lie live in the delusion that there is no evidence that supports Suarez
His guilt was condemned not by his actions but by Evras lies – astounding
So the 96 at Hillsborough were condemned not by others actions but by there very own – astounding
You can put that line in any significant world event too and you’d fine the same answer – astounding
At the end Suarez the racist was condemned by the FA for his racism and the PFA and Kick racism out of football amongst many. You cry foul saying it never went the way it went – wow Sherlock figure that one out then.
The only ones that didn’t condemn Suarez were those that believe in the Liverpool lie
How the mighty have fallen
Fuck off you racist cunt your fairy tale words are pathetic
You do your one lines I’ll do the real talking
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@MG – if there was any evidence – any evidence at all, you wouldn’t need to say a word.
Yet here we are.
Do all the “real-talking” you like.
Joe
And how can you identify with my characterisation?
Racists can’t – so you can’t
You are in denial I’m not
I point out to you but you deflect any reasoning
But you can’t accept reasoning – reasoning is clear – your version isn’t – as long as you live in the middle you are quite in your right to just barrier up everything I say
Evra is a player who deserved to be racialy abused because he wears a United shirt
And he’s black
But Suarez says that’s okay – that’s okay because his culture says it’s okay
You think so too without now even comprehending that it is this way, instead falling into somewhere where you clearly can identify with your own characterisation
Fucking racist and deluded much in denial
Fuck off
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He got banned
Fuck off you cunt there is your evidence and it’s consequence
@MG – if you want to proclaim yourself to be the voice of reason, you are going to have to abandon this line that Suarez’s language was racially abusive even by his own version of events.
Because not even the commission that found him guilty found that to be the case.
Come on Joe why have you given up?
Suarez said something racist
He doesn’t have to be racist
I’ve argued all along it could have stopped there by a simple apology player to player end of
It didn’t
Everything that occurred afterwards became racist – became divisive – became heated
You are confused – you are now a part of this racism because you still believe that Suarez is innocent.
Is he fuck
And to further point – if he was innocent your fucking joke of a manager management and club did fuck all about it when Suarez was charged for his racism
He made reference to Evras colour whilst insulting him – that’s racism. He should have been man enough to fucking admit it so should have the club
The funniest thing is he apparently supports a charity in South Africa supporting multi ethnicity
So then at the end would not have been hard to say sorry when saying something racist no?
Fuck off done with you – I’ve just supported my point with rational thinking
You still can’t tell me why he couldn’t say sorry and why it’s come this far
Joe
The FA charged Suarez for insulting words/reference to Evras colour – that does not have to be spelt out as racism once that is defined rational thinking allows for a thought process to kick in
That is racism
If then Suarez is not a racist and he used such words – he should have apologised the moment the match was over knowing full well what he had done was wrong
I have been saying that since day one and you would have to go back into the ROM archives to see this as true
Suarez didn’t give a shit neither did Liverpool – neither do you – one simple apology of a racist act would have seen to it – everyone would have moved forward
Probably in hindsight Suarez may have come out it better by acknowledging his behaviour as unacceptable in the heat of the moment.
Maybe I would have actually had a go at him for his initial actions maybe I would have said man enough to confront his mistake
Maybe you would have done the same
You are carrying on like someone who cannot confront the simplicity of the situation – you have let it carry on – and you have to know what I am fighting against.
Do you not believe then that what I have said to you is not fair?
@MG – if you were as rational as you like to think, you’d already know why an apology was impossible.
What Suarez admitted to saying is not even close to what Evra accused him of.
Joe
Now you mock me after everything
I am trying to draw you to a common shared ground
You are not going to come
What the fuck are you doing on a United blog you racist?
You have red white and kop for that
It’s clear then you totally believe the lie
Not only is Suarez a racist – so are you all
Enjoy it whilst it lasts
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@MG – the first Liverpool knew about the allegation was when Ferguson was overheard outside the dressing rooms saying “Suarez called Evra a n****r five times”. The next thing, Evra’s in front of a TV camera doubling that figure.
I agree – an apology for causing offence, whether intended or not, would have been best for all involved. But it was Evra who took that option off the table.
@ mg 14.36
Because Evra said he didn’t think Suarez was being racist and neither did the commission. They both said he used a racist term and rightly he was banned.
Don’t tell me to fuck off on a blog site you coward, you wouldn’t say it to my face. And don’t accuse me of being a racist simply because I support Liverpool, you don’t know me.
Fuck off Mike
I’ll happily be a coward – nowhere near as being a racist defending someones racism
To repeat
The FA charged Suarez for insulting words/reference to Evras colour – that does not have to be spelt out as racism once that is defined rational thinking allows for a thought process to kick in
That is racism
You don’t have to be a racist to say something racist
You don’t have to be a anything to say something wrong
I’m not anything telling you to fuck off, I did because you have believed a lie – again I don’t give a fuck if you support LIverpool if you can’t read up and see where I ended up then you have no idea about me either
Joe
Lovely spin in fact you carry on out doing yourself it’s a joy watching the shit coming out of you – you’re good though I’ll grant you that – you’d make a brilliant PR in my company
Alas I don’t hire people with racist actions
You can’t see with your own eyes how far you have gone – I don’t care anymore your hole is the deeper one
Mike
I’ll say one thing further:
Imagine if I really were arrogant to you in the workplace
You don’t like it do you – you clearly have reacted.
In that workplace you’d look to make sure my words would be appropriately dealt with with higher management
You see Mike there you go – just replace Suarez Evra with me and you and that is as clear as daylight
Why are you offended for? – you should enjoy too – you yourself said that their needs to be perspective
Well Mike why did you get touchy for? Why the fuck didn’t you get perspective?
After all if you can’t get any perspective and react to me in such a way then why would you ever think of Evra doing anything less on a more serious issue/insult/racist tone and language?
Now you may fuck off
@mg
Anyway, just to re-iterate what I said. Suarez used racist language and was rightly banned. Evra also abused Suarez although not in a racial manner. What annoys me, and not just in respect of this incident, is how this behaviour is seemingly acceptable unless it involves a racist word. Anything else, sexism, homophobia, abusive language about someones sister, anything in fact is fair game and players are all expected to man up. Now maybe I’m the one who needs to man up and accept it’s all part of the game. So there you go MG you do know something about what I think.
@mg 18.19
The perspective I’m talking about is that these players need to understand what a position of privilege they have and not behave in the way they do. Not, that both of them should man up and get on with it. Thanks for asking though rather than just assuming. Oh, you didn’t, you made a huge assumption and then followed it up with abusive language. Very mature.
MIke
The issue was always clear and I’ve said to Joe clearly @17.22
All sorts of things are said amongst players
This time between Evra Suarez it went far – Evra was racially insulted in the earlier parts of his career and has been at times before – and is very sensitive to it – Suarez may not have been a racist but intended he did to wind up Patrice the most hurtful way he could.
I never said that Suarez was a racist – I did say though that this story has continued because a simple apology could not be made, and in my opinion that is racism rising through unforeseen means
So here I go to make my point:
If I have offended you Mike I apologise in all sincerity at my actions. Yes we have differences – we support two terrific and important football teams not only in this country but in world football. We will never change our differences but they shouldn’t be allowed to overcome the greater necessity that no matter who and what we are you are as important as the next person to me.
So I go back to that incident – if Suarez had apologised this would have had far reaching consequences for the better
Alas we find ourselves here
I still carry on trying to make a valid point through my own complexed ways
It is for the receiving person to understand where I am going and if they themselves want to go there.
It is not my domain to control as I have shown Joe – it is for all of us to be there on common shared ground…
@MG – the whole saga has been nothing but a PR battle from the start. You can see that, can’t you? If you haven’t got any evidence or witnesses, how else are you going to sway public perception?
@mg
You haven’t offended me and you don’t need to apologise. I think Suarez was wrong and should have been banned and I’m fed up with highly paid players behaving like idiots on the pitch.
Personally, I believe that what should have happened was that Suarez should have said at the end of the game he was sorry for any offence he caused and Evra probably would have accepted it. Instead, he tried to pretend it was something else. But, and I go back to my original point, if players didn’t feel the need to abuse each other and wind each other up like this it wouldn’t happen anyway. I’ve played 100′s of games (obviously at a low level) and of course I’ve told people to fuck off but I’d never dream of insulting them about their race, creed or colour or indeed insulting their family. Is the point that professionals are somehow superior to the rest of us so it’s ok?
@MG – If you think I’ve shagged your missus but I think I’ve spilt your pint, what am I supposed to apologise for?
Joe since you have just ably demonstrated that you did not read the report I will point out that the report clearly stated that Evra’s and Manchester United’s statements were considered the most credible because they were clear and CONSISTANT. Where as Suarez and Liverpool’s statements were inconsistant. These were all facts that appeared in the report. However if you had bothered to read the report instead of the drivel perpetuated by Liverpool FC you would have known. Most ex Liverpool players said Liverpool were wrong to wear the T shirts a fact you seem totally incapable of accepting.
MG you are quite correct in what you say but you are wasting your time trying to get through to Joe as he is a typical Liverpool fan never ever accepts the truth yet invents stories and spreads them around believing this makes them true. As Michael Owen stated Liverpool is a remour city.
@Denise Williams
I’m well aware that the commission found Evra’s evidence to be consistent and Suarez’s evidence to be inconsistent. This is, of course, how they reached the guilty verdict. At no point have I disputed this fact.
What I have disputed is the consistency of Evra’s evidence despite the commission’s findings.
I’ve also disputed your argument that cultural difference is not a defence because that’s precisely why the commission called linguistic experts who submitted evidence that what Suarez admitted to was NOT racially abusive.
I hope that is clear enough for you.
Mike
I think Suarez was wrong but had he made the apology I didn’t see the need for a ban and I promise you that because things are said and said in the heat of the moment.
I see Suarez as a stupid idiot who used a racist remark – he should have either known better or then acted upon his stupidity at the first given moment – he did neither – we are here.
And I agree that professionals in such a state are not more superior to us – that’s why my argument that Suarez should have gone back and attacked his own stupidity was really important:
In that sense it has gone too far, stupid things have continued to be said, stupid actions have continued to carry on taking place. this is unfortunate – like I said I have no problem at all in trying to make sense of things with fellow fans no matter what our differences – your points on reflection are purposeful.
Joe – you can’t reason I don’t want to carry on with you in fact I think I’m done with you to be honest – you are a record player without a stop function continuous one track play – sorry to say that
Denise Williams – Good advice I think I’ve answered him rightly.
@MG – either I’m a broken record or I’m unreasonable. I can’t be both when the line I keep repeating summarises the case in the most reasonable terms possible:
There was no evidence.
If you don’t want to carry on, that’s fine.
Suarez charged for using insulting language/reference to Evras colour
Racism
Suarez banned and fined
Liverpool did not contest charge
If there was no evidence and the FA banned Suarez for nothing under law Suarez had a right to appeal to the highest court and win his case – justifying that he did not use racist language and that it all was a lie
Liverpool threatened to take everything on before changing minds.
No evidence? Jog on you idiot
Thanks for getting me out one more time – you carry on I’ll sign off by saying that if I repeat this clear cut evidence to you I’ll be just as bad as you
I better go and leave you to it – if I think you shagged my missus I’d be clapping you off for the man who took my woman away – you didn’t so live in your dreams – you ain’t busting my balls kid.
The only pint you split was the one you couldn’t pour – have fun Sherlock – free speech and all
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@MG – if there was any evidence, you’d reply to this post with a link to a YouTube clip.
And if there wasn’t, your self-proclaimed status as the voice-of-reason starts to look a bit hollow.
The only realistic recourse Liverpool had was the FA appeals board who only have the power to reduce or extend sentences, not overturn verdicts. To appeal would have meant admitting guilt and would have been futile anyway given the FA’s draconian 99.5% conviction rate.
Unless you would have expected Liverpool to sue the FA and face suspension?
What I will say is that Liverpool were naive by threatening to appeal and wear those t-shirts but then not appeal. They were naive to think an appeal would be a realistic option under the FA disciplinary system. But it should always be a realistic option, shouldn’t it? The DoCMS certainly thinks so hence the pressure to force through FA reforms.
Youtube?
And that is at the end you – there were also weapons of mass destruction that led to the Iraq war – I bet you can find the evidence on youtube
Fucking idiot
You can accuse me of anything and everything – Suarez was banned on evidence produced – you can spin it all you want
Yap yap yap.
Thanks for that though – one thing is fair – you stuck to your point as good as shit
Nice one -
@MG – In a stadium full of people, cameras and microphones, nobody saw or heard any racial abuse and none was recorded.
If you can justify a guilty verdict to yourself despite that, go ahead. But at least cut out the pretence that you are a voice-of-reason.
There was no evidence.
Still childishly trying to get in the last word, I see…
@Wastoid – that’s ad hominem. Why don’t you have the last word Wastoid? Post some evidence.
Joe yet again you have Sometimes I despair of the idiots in this countrydemonstrated your total ignorance. So just because you did not hear the event means it did not happen. Well big deal I did not hear the Queen’s speech on Christmas day but that does not mean it didn’t happen does it. Sometimes I despair of the idiots in this country. Joe there are lots of things the cameras miss but that does not mean they can never happen. It is fairly obvious that you cannot accept any wrong doing from your beloved Liverpool. Well I have news for you Liverpool have made a lot of mistakes this season and you are going to have to stop the blinkered approach.
@Denise Williams
Luis Suarez may have racially abused Patrice Evra. I don’t deny it. There’s no evidence to prove it didn’t happen just as there is no evidence to prove it did.
So let’s do a deal. I won’t argue that Luis Suarez is innocent and you won’t argue that he is guilty.